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it'll be a wonderful bonding opportunity for all of you Confucius says I'll highly recommend that myself yeah all right we ended the first half with tech news we're going to continue it with more tech news so let's just let's delve right into that the tech news iasts news of this past tech news was from PC world and their hands-on with Andy's Radeon Vega frontier edition in fact they were able to compare the Radeon Vegas tradition versus the nvidia titan XP in a battle to the death I don't think anyone actually died but the frontier edition of some of course based on IMD's new Vega core and Vega has been anticipated highly looked at towards by PC gamers for quite some time this one the testing here has 16 gigs have advanced hmm to memory it is it is also the air-cooled version of the card which has a 300 watt TDP the liquid-cooled version of the card which has also been teased but isn't available yet is gonna have a 375 lot CDP so you can assume that has even higher power delivery requirements and that kind of thing you might notice as as the pc world's video is panning across here as a GPU TAC area right here it's a series of blue lights that light up to show you how much load the graphics card is actually under so that's interesting that's kind of interesting it has a light up our logo on the corner lights up and yellow what do you think it like the new color scheme like we've gone like sort of blue and gold and blue I mean honestly like really like remember this is a workstation workstation graphics card so for gaming center it's not the gaming version of the Vega yeah there's a pretty good chance I'm not sure but there's a pretty good chance that they might go with a different color scheme or something some different sort of design style for Vega when it yeah the consumer like the red and black is more like aggressive yeah whatever reason it seems more sporty more you know more like I don't know just gamer centric and and the blue and gold looks a bit more mature like professional I guess I mean you could say that you could also say it's UCLA colors and they suck but hey let's move on and bastard to talk about the comparison that PC world was able to do between the Vega frontier Edition and the Titan XP which are next be right there yeah oh well black just looks like tekneqs that looks like a Titan X but they can buried it actually in benchmarks to attain XP a close-up look at the GP tack by the way they series of LEDs as well as a couple eight pin PCI Express graphics power connectors basically here's how it all played out because PC world was one of the only publications that had anything about Vega upon launch and the launch was asked yesterday by the way people were able to order it yesterday and it was shipped out yesterday so presumable presumably some people are receiving it today and we might actually see full-on fleshed out independent reviews of it very soon but PC world was given sort of a bit of early early access AMD brought them in and they they introduced them to a set up demo that AMD had put together there were identical systems using Rison 7 1800 X CPUs 32 gigs of DDR for memory running at 2400 speed SSDs and both systems and 4k panels they had a Founders edition Vega card in one system and a Titan XP in the other system basically the tests they ran were all focused on enterprise workstation applications so they weren't really focused as much on gaming on gaming which makes sense because that's what this launch is all about is a workstation card on a gaming card they did a SolidWorks demo which had a model of a card I'm sorry in a car they were able to look at it in SolidWorks and Gordon who wrote the article Gordon Mong said it looked pretty smooth everything worked pretty well they were then able to export that card using AMD's Pro render plug in to an Unreal Engine 4 simulation that they could view using HTC vive which is kind of a cool demo to be able to be a developer create a 3d model export that into a game engine which are becoming more popular for this type of application as opposed to the very expensive proprietary software's that are designed by companies game engines can do most of the same functions that they can be adapted for this type of work so yeah that's that's pretty cool but the families the big offenders position has really meant Spears front frontier addition sorry I keep mixing that up maybe if they didn't make the date a name simply an effing similar similar yeah it'd be less confusing frontier addition vega card is actually meant to compete with andy Quadro cards whose aim DS l-- items in the workstation space and also represents andy kind of trying to get back into this space since their fire proline kind of died out with the last generation of GPUs yeah yeah do you know if it's gonna be dual eight pins from both the air and and liquid-cooled it seems like the article seemed to indicate that there might be an additional six pin for the liquid-cooled well but it's not hundred percent sure that was again that was basically even seen in the images of the the liquid-cooled one right there been a couple that have gone around but I haven't seen one as the the power delivery and pricing I think was like what like twelve hundred for the air cooled like $600 that's actually been changed originally was gonna be twelve hundred for the air cooled now that's been dropped to 999 Oh interesting US dollars for the suggested retail price air cooled the water cooled edition is expected to be fifteen hundred dollars but it's not going to launch until q3 okay so you gotta wait a bit for that and again the TDP for the air-cooled version is rendered watts the water-cooled version is 375 watts this waiting suit we can assume they've cranked up the frequencies and the card is outputting more heat but with the liquid cooled version it's able to control that and provide a current that can work in a workstation environment a workstation enterprise environment isn't exactly the place that you would see lots of liquid cooled graphics cards going on because liquid cooling introduces smart points of failure potentially and it's not as reliable long-term of a cooling solution as air cooling however AMD again is going after the quadrille line of GPUs from AMD which range from like two thousand or line of GPUs and SEC module head of GPUs to Nvidia thank you for being on top of this and say I'm trying to pick up I'm glad you're correct because I don't like saying this but the quadrille line of GPS from Nvidia which can range from like two to six thousand dollars yeah so a thousand and fifteen hundred bucks seems slightly more reasonable when you stack it up it's all relative yes so in the demo that they set up the frontier Edition versus the tekneqs being side by side systems the systems were identical they were using rise in seven 1800 X CPUs 32 gigs of memory and again SSDs and 4k panels the frontier Edition outscored the Titan XP by 28% in Katia and creo 50% in solidworks and 14% in max on Cinebench so pretty decent leads all around of course better in some areas than in others in gaming however they did say that they took away the 4k monitors they replaced them with 34 40 by 1440 21 by 9 monitors and they tested three side-by-side setups with doom with Vulcan pray with DirectX 11 and Sniper Elite 4 using DirectX 12 however based on how the article is written I think all that was was a side by side visual demo of saying like look at both of these see if you can tell the difference mm-hmm and according to Gordon he said he really couldn't tell the difference between the two of them so that's you know a good thing for the frontier Edition Vega cards of course they're going up against a Titan XP which is pretty expensive it's 400 bucks and you can get a 1080 TI which has comparable gaming performance for around $650 but again they're sort of riding the line between saying this is a enterprise card this made for workstation environments and you know what can it do in a gaming environments because the expectation of course is that these same Vega GPUs will be put into gaming grade cards made for consumers that hopefully will be available soon right although we still don't know exactly when there's been a lot of sort of early leaks with Vega there but there have been some cards out in the wild that have been tested I've also been the Vega frontier edition cards that have been tested in the wild not necessarily as part of this demo that have shown varying levels of performance now Gordon who is personally a reviewer who I trust and have been reading his stuff for really really long time he said that the drivers are still being worked on for consumer Vega and he still firmly believes that the the Vega GPUs at least the Vega GPU in this implementation the full-fat Vega with HP m2 will be faster than a GTX 1080 and probably closer to the performance of a GTX 1080 is exciting which is good to hear but yeah the cards started shipping yesterday so again we should see actual for reviews of them coming very soon from people who actually ordered them the distribution to the tech press was a little weird this time around but again it's an enterprise card so it's hard to say AMD seems both to be being somewhat careful with this launch but also I think the emphasis on the performance in the enterprise space I think is a little bit more specific because they can compare it to Quadra cards that cost a lot more hopefully we'll see more refinements when it comes to the the drivers for these so that they will will see more direct comparisons with Nvidia cards I think soon Ryan Smith from an N Tech said that he has said lots of people asked him and they did not receive a Vega frontier edition sample and as far as they know no one was Andy is very very much a Strickler stickler about that sort of thing like if if they know that you're a review site that sort of caters to the gaming demographic they won't actually provide you a review sample of a workstation graphics card even though it might be really good for gaming because they don't want the reviewers to deliver content about that card in such a light that paints it as a gaming GPU well I mean they take the produ oh yeah knowing no one got a sample of the produ Oh unless we're strictly going to review it from a workstation standpoint which everyone wasn't we all wanted to see just how amazing it would be for gaming which it was good for gaming but that's not the the message that AMD want to get out with that particular model it's the same thing here if you're unless you're reviewing it strictly for workstation stuff they don't want to hear what it has to do with gaming you know so that's kind of unfortunate but but I mean yeah they it's up to them as far as how they want to launch their product I suppose these we gotta buy it ourselves there is a there's a Radeon Pro website landing page has a little bit more information about the frontier Edition that's available all the different names all the donation money that we have received today is going straight to a frontier Edition Vega card if you click the Buy Now oh my gosh $2,000 yeah a new egg it's nine it's 2,000 bucks Victor there were that made donation and you can pre-order it that's weird it says it's available today but then I'm doing it says the release date is 629 which isn't for two more days I don't know what's going on apparently some places had it available for four actually today yeah I just closed the thing and I didn't mean to close it damn it it's okay sorry one moment that wasn't supposed to be there okay we are still on the first story of the first segment on your half by the 7:30 and it's it's okay we're gonna we're gonna plow through this these just the point mainly because you stole this from me I certainly did not sir yes he did nope so Kirk Tucker NC mining cards are now a thing you totally stole this from me I didn't even see this when I was I know you should look a little bit more closely Wow labeled labeled brick no I didn't buy everything that I did was first thing this morning and woman sorry it's fine we'll talk about this after the show take us outside all right cryptocurrency mining is going pretty crazy right now due to the price of etherium as well as several other cryptocurrencies that are resistant to ASIC mining application-specific integrated circuit which makes which is which what is what killed consumer GPU mining for the sums first stuff like Bitcoin since etherium prices have gone up and since GPUs from the consumer space but the most effective way to mine that they've been sold out everywhere they sold that's the AMD cards several weeks ago if not a month ago and the Nvidia cards since they're becoming slightly more viable to do this as well have started following suit the follow-up to this is the Asus and Sapphire are now going to be releasing Pascal and Polaris based cryptocurrency mining carts Pascal being the nvidia side players being the AMD side so here are the cards and you might notice if you compare one to the other a little slim on GPU IO for example these are basically cards that are made for cryptocurrency so that made to be as inexpensive as possible so they cut out those pesky that costs more money for the manufacturer to integrate like video outs for example so HDMI for example every time you put it on a on a graphics card you have to pay a little bit of licensing fee to the HDMI consortium if you don't put the HDMI ad on the card will they need to have to pay that money money save so there you go hopefully the launch of these cards will allow the market to balance out somewhat since the GPUs and the gaming space have been so expensive and so overly priced we're really not sure how much of effect of an effect they're gonna have we're not sure how much availability there's gonna be for these cryptocurrency specific cards we're not sure if the appetite for cryptocurrency mining is gonna be so much that the cryptocurrency miners just buy up all these cards and then keep wanting more cards that give me the case to but hopefully if things go right I hope they get is not good for crypto mining because because it's already plagued with shitty HBM to yields and like oh yeah and that one's already been it's already been very difficult to obtain yeah there so that would just compound the issue and I feel like they'd have a really sad launch look like oh we've got like 200 units to every big retailer globally and we probably won't have anything after that for the next six months or like I don't know like HP m2 is already a hard topic to get around because yields are so right now and they have been and that on top of crypto miners who are eating cards up and trying to resell them or or just reselling them for insane amounts is kind of concerning yeah it is interesting to see the manufacturer response to this current trend though the Asus product pages for these four examples specifically lists these as a mining GPUs I mean that's just exactly what they're made for they show stuff like their hash rate performance and the fact that they have increased power delivery and some of them while cutting certain stuff away to reduce costs they've also improved stuff in certain areas such improving such as improving power delivery for more better lifespan with sustained 24/7 operation as well as the fans which are again made for 24/7 operation which previously apparently maybe that wasn't as much of a concern because if you're playing video games try not playing 24 hours a day true I mean maybe you are maybe you heard more like that and then of course our x4 70 and GTX 1060 variants of both of those Sapphire has five different mining Edition skews we've talked about this a little bit more on Cal saps so feel free to check that out if you want to these cards feature limited warranties so usually only about three months to six months restricted display outputs to reduce cost presumably of course lower manufacturing lower manufacturing costs to reduce the costs out the door for cryptocurrency miners whose main concern is recouping the cost of the hardware they buy so that they can start making pure profit as soon as possible and more on whether or not that's a good thing later in the show ooh the mini super nintendo class this is launching in september it's gonna be 80 bucks this is the follow up to the mini nintendo which was so insanely popular Wow sold that everywhere was available only in a few locations and grossly overpriced if you guys were interested in this Super Nintendo version of that this is coming soon 21 games are included includes earthbound a super mario world as well as an unreleased star fox version which to me is one of the more interesting things about this now my previous argument this sort of thing has been that well emulators exist and presuming that you have purchased all of these games legitimately at some point and have the cartridges it is legal for you to own the roms and run these via emulators there might be some legal gray area in there but basically that's how it works we're not drunk nope now if there's some added value to this that you can't get otherwise such as an unreleased previously unreleased game especially when it's something like Star Fox the first game that ever used polygons and 3d actually actually legitimate 3d rendering on Super Nintendo yeah yeah yeah starfox is the first game that actually used polygons so I was like the first game was just wireframes so everything mm-hmm you can navigate but it was actually 3d rendering but yeah that makes it perhaps slightly more interesting anyway though the list of games here is contra Story 3 the alien wars Donkey Kong Country earthbound Final Fantasy 3 f20 Kirby starts kirby superstar Kirby's Dream course Legend of Zelda a link to a pack linked to the past which will probably be very very popular Mega Man 10 or Mega Man X Secret of Mana starfox and starfox to Street Fighter 2 turbo hyper fighting super Castlevania 4 super cools and ghosts which is one of my favourites to be honest Super Mario Kart ok let's go everyone's favorite I'm on Super Mario RPG legend of the seven stars super mario world classic super metroid super punch-out and Yoshi's Island yes yeah so this was a little of course feature an HDMI connection so you can plug it into a 1080 or high-definition television which is difficult to do if you have a classic console how many of these are they actually going to produce no idea probably probably not enough not to be my guess not nearly enough yep and one interesting note is that the controller cables for these because it does come with wired controllers that are basically replicas as the original controllers the games a Super Nintendo have 5 foot long Able's instead of the three-foot long cables that came with the NES classes TVs have gotten way bigger in the last 20 years making them slightly more usable however there is an expectation that there will be third-party options of wireless controllers since it does have USB ports that should be available sometime after launch if you guys are at all interested in this and you have no idea about the clusterfuck that was the NES classic the original one that one was retailing for $50 MSRP they are now selling on ebay I just looked it up for around two hundred and thirty two two hundred and forty dollars minimum so if you are interested in the SNES version make sure that you are there at at the second when it goes on sale to actually get one otherwise you're gonna be paying a pretty penny from some shitty reseller who bought like 50 of them or buy as many as possible and make a promise and yeah some one to me because I'd like one there you go but yeah incredibly high demand there's one going for 600 one going for 600 and NES classic it's modded and it includes some other you know need but that's that's pretty crazy yeah but hella deals did you say what the price point was alone eighty bucks I'm sorry eighty bucks $79.99 so they've smarten up a little bit they're like oh we can sell this video they increase the price a little bit and it will be available on September 20 Nate yes alright continuing on with tech news say Soph Sandra is a benchmarking utility sigh soft Sandra and it has no relation a centralized database where you when you run the benchmarks your benchmark will be uploaded to unless you change different settings and someone with an Intel copy like six core processor Rance I saw Sandra and didn't tell it to not upload the information to the database and so it was uploaded to the database and now we know some information about the copy link CPU there testing resuming of course this isn't all some elaborate fake this is still a 14 nanometer processor this will be the follow-up to the current CPUs on the mainland line so the main stream line goes up to Kiwi Lake right now with two 7600 K in 7700 K the ID listed on this actual test is genuine Intel CPU zero zero zero zero which means it's an engineering sample it has a three point one gigahertz base clock at four point two gigahertz boosts clock 256 kilobytes or kilobits I'm sorry of l2 cache per core and a total of twelve megabytes of l3 cache that's two Meg's per core so these are likely the same these are these that's basically the same cache configuration that cabling CPUs have as far as the amount of cache per core you just up that for a six core CPU and that's what you get sure this would be a highly refined 40 nanometer node based CPUs like what's to us 40 nanometer plus plus 40 nanometer resolution was what has well did and then Kaiba Lake did I'm sorry with skylight did and now kb lake and now company the coffee lake so three different variants all on the same node the die size would be 149 square millimeters and interesting note from the article is that quad core parts won't necessarily be cut down or variants of that six core silicon with disabled scores but wouldn't actually be a separate 726 millimeter die so they're they're actually manufacturing both of these separately with different wafers the Geekbench scores that's actually the follow-up to this SAS off sandra actually leaked earlier on June 22nd today on the 27th we have Geekbench scores kind of in the same no same vein I should say Geekbench scores uploaded in the same basic way the score was 4619 for the single core score and twenty thousand eight hundred and twenty eight for the multi-core score that would actually be pretty comparable with AMD's risin five sixteen hundred x six core cpu which is a 6-quart twelve third processor which would theoretically be about the same as far as core count and thread counts to this coffee like cpu but we should point out the 1600 x score would be at 3.6 gigahertz which is the baseline for that base clock whereas this Intel CPU that was being tested had a base clock of 3.2 gigahertz and we of course don't know what the entire lineup will have this might be a lower end CPU with lower frequency there might be a higher frequency base clock cocktailing CPU that might be able to outperform rise in at a higher frequency are you sure 3.6 gigahertz isn't the boost clock for the 1600 x that's a base clock there when they're testing all these across all cores and when all fours are under your under load it's just gonna run it's a base clock frequency job typically the turbo frequencies from risin and intel or only when it's running on like one or two cores unless you overclock it till it's around all cores at that higher frequency if you're wondering what's next after coffee lake it would be cannon lake which is ten nanometer and will finally be a an actual refinement and a shrinking of the manufacturing process okay BB 110 yeah 10 from 14 to 10 is where they're going next alright next up is hot let me hardware where we're gonna talk about some hardware news some stuff either out now or coming out very soon basically is what we're going into right now so on the m4 side if you guys are into Rison there's only been one Rison and four mini ITX boards so far but it is being joined the one I'm talking about is the Battlestar one that kayla has already reviewed on his channel and also done a video with they're done a build with gigabyte is now coming into the mix with their mini ITX ji-ae be 350 and Gaming Wi-Fi rise and motherboard a bit of a typo here the headline thankfully a headline come on rezian okay um here's a board itself you can kind of get a quick look at the layout here here's a bigger bigger image of it right there it's got overclocking support of course since it's got the be 350 chipset the be 350 chipset it makes a bit more sense than the X 370 chipset with Rison in Mini ITX because it's a reduction of PCI Express Lanes that you have available and since you've only got a mini ITX board form factor then you don't need all those PCI Express Lanes cool it includes Wi-Fi support with an 802 911 AC Wi-Fi card you can see the Wi-Fi connectors one thing the bio star GTN does not have yes is Wi-Fi I feel like everything else they're good about that board for the price point excepted than that way your motherboard sucks this one's way better no it's got four it's got a six phase vrm design so again can support overclocking and who knows if it's gonna be better or worse than overclocking on of course full sized ATX motherboard but it's also got 4 SATA 6 game it per second connections where those for those oh those are up at the top it's interesting right here along the top edge next to the 24 pin connector yeah and it's got a single single 32 gigabit per second m2 slot which is on the rear which we don't have an image of that trust me it's back there for USB 3.0 ports on the rear i/o alongside a couple USB 3.1 ports as well as HDMI and DisplayPort outs on the back which means that this would be compatible theoretically with upcoming aim for ap use so the rise in three line which we don't know too much about yet but should have graphics integrated as well so cool glad it's it's got that available this is this a bow starboard have video outs I believe this yeah okay it does seen that on quite a few rising boards so it's not necessarily something that is rare but yeah but would be interested in that because for APU builds I'm sure that would be a thing especially for ITX like this an APU build with the GPU integrated could allow that expansion slot to be available for like a caption capture card or a TV tuner or something like that so true lots of you might have as much flexibility as possible yeah cool so I do believe I do believe gigabyte is sending me one of those boards so I'll do a build with it or something like that I'll be checking it out though beautiful all right next up also from gigabytes we talked last week about epic and here's an epic mother I think 7000 series again a little bit more on that was discussed last week if you guys want to check it out but here's an actual gigabyte server workstation motherboard this is the mz3 one - AR 0 + single socketed look at that yes so this is a single socket motherboard epic processors will be compatible with dual socket motherboards as well look at them dim slabs this one has well first off @z ATX so it's fairly large it measures 305 by 330 millimetres 16 ddr4 dimm slots look at that 8 per side that supports up to 8 channel memory architecture our DIMM modules are supported for up to 32 gigs per module and lrdimm or NV NV DIMM modules up to 64 gigs are supported it's also got two sfp+ 10 Gigabit LAN ports on the i/o back here I think that's the these are the two of them right there you could have up to a thousand and twenty four gigs of ram if you had 64 gig modules yes sixteen 64 gig modules yeah and it supports up to two to the platform supports up to two terabytes of RAM but I believe that's with a two socket configuration hmm so that's that's pretty insane it's got a Broadcom BCM fifty seven eight 10s shift for the 10 Gigabit LAN ports here at the back that's also got a little heatsink on it as far as I can tell for slim sass ports 416 SATA 6 gigabits per second board I am not positive if those are breakouts like does that mean 6 like does that mean each of those slim SAS ports can break out to 16 SATA ports would that be would that be 64 SATA can a SATA devices you get I've connected I I'm not sure I'm not positive about that but it's also got an ultra-fast MDOT to drive on there it's that slots right down here towards the bottom PCIe gen3 by 4 interface for that and up to 4 PCIe gen3 by 16 slots over here for the i/o or for the PCI Express expansion and 3 PCIe gen3 by 8 slots the shorter ones are the ones that are gonna have all the pin outs on them now potential you might have dependent depending on the length of your GPUs might have some conflicts with the memory here I was gonna say bear that in mind but in a workstation environment you're typically not as quite as concerned put the massive like triple slot fan cooler GPUs that he would expect in a gaming environment so yeah probably less of a concern also seems like those lower slots wouldn't have conflicts so true there it is beautiful epic board 3 epic content cool to go over that hey Intel just today launched or at least an embargo lifted for an intel SSD the 5 4 or 5 s series the model the minaton to reviewers and this review from pc perspective is by alan melvin tonneau was the 512 gig now the interesting thing about this SSD its it's a SATA SSD so this is not an nvme am that - you know fastest is the fastest SSDs available right now it is still SATA as far as the interface goes however it uses a new type of NAND flash memory specifically 64 layer TLC NAND so triple level cell and they're stacking the nand on top of each other more and more the specs are listed right here as capacities minimum Maximus sorry the dog break it for a second your wife is home it's got a five-year warranty to remediate terabytes rid that total sorry oh it's among the fastest SSDs oh wait I want to I want to at least show the second page here from Alan's dog emojis in chat rollin thanks for the dog emojis in chat emojis that's great my wife is home so everything's okay yeah Alan said basically that these are among the fastest SSDs that he is tested especially at least when it comes to SATA and if you look at the actual breakdown of it when you take it apart here just hacked something out there it's it's a very very small PCB and that is because again 64 layer TLC meant means you have an insane amount of NAND density so you don't need a full sized PCB with a bunch of different name chips on it you can come you can get it all set up with just a couple of them stack only in fact four flash packages each on these each containing for 256 gigabytes or 32 gigabytes dies of 64 layers three demons it's got a silicon motion 22:59 controller in there and the 512 gig is 180 bucks that's pretty good which isn't the most inexpensive SSD out there for found 512 and it's on the cheap bag given the inflated prices of nand right now since the prices have been going up right down it's definitely not bad at all especially considering that it is according to Alan among the fastest is SATA SSDs he's tested you know beats a samsung 850 Evo Wow even competes with some nvme drives in certain areas and Ellen has a new series of tests he's doing on storage drives and I've barely been able to get into it which is why I'm not going into more detail but feel free to check the article if you want more information Alan does really really good storage tests on SSDs and lots of other stuff - nice alright Biostar has a new TB 250 BTC pro motherboard we talked a little bit about Bitcoin mining well I guess I should say cryptocurrency mining on Kyle's half of the show bio start is catering to that audience with this specific motherboard it's a b250 motherboard which means that supports currents skylake and kb lake processors which means you can slot in a very inexpensive Celeron or Pentium processor which seems to be the go-to for Bitcoin miners because the concern is not really with the CPU performance this concern is with the GPU performance and how many GPUs you can connect up to a single board so look at the configuration of the PCIe on this you basically have a single by 16 slot and then you have 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 little by 1 slots that you could some rides or some Ram cables right you know factors - actually these little adapters that they have here with what looks like USB keys these look like I don't know these might even be DisplayPort cables I'm not positive but they're just wired up for PCIe lanes and you can use those as risers to plug in your actual cards with adapters that I would assume come with the board but yeah usually most motherboards miners can only place about 6 GPUs on the motherboard this one allows you to connect up to 12 without short-circuiting due to a specific design that they have made for this motherboard that only works for 4 cryptocurrency mining it was apparently completely useless than any other configuration yeah pretty much almost useless outside of mining but there it is for anyone who's looking for a crazy over-the-top board and especially if you weren't very enthusiastic about this Bhaskar has also been doing some designs for am for crypto mining these actually can only support I believe six or seven GPUs but these make a lot less sense because if you're investing in Rison like the cheapest rise in five CPUs 160 hundred and seventy bucks mm-hmm and that seems like sub 100 with Intel yeah yeah so it makes a lot less sense and also these aren't outfitted with the crazy amounts of PCIe slots so some Bitcoin miners are probably gonna go for those first options first yeah I would imagine cool but speaking of Bitcoin mining Kyle let's uh yes let's let's have a debate here let's let's hash things out yeah let's go in to swordfight all right let's do it sorry buds next we're burning through my half of the show my happy show is so much more efficient than your half of the show is because it's less interesting you're right it's wait let's talk about so cryptocurrency aliens is it a good or bad thing that's the question we're gonna ask her and we're asking right now so all right so let's let's just let's just show people this is Chow poll we'll share this with you guys in chat cryptocurrency is is currently right now causing crazy crazy overpriced graphics Kurtz yeah and I need to paste in the right thing crazy overpriced graphics cards which means that if you want to buy a graphics card and build a gaming computer right now you're gonna pay a lot more money than you would have otherwise unless you're spending six hundred bucks or more those really high-end GPUs haven't been inflate haven't inflated too much so far you're gonna pay 150 percent 200% of em our MSRP and this is because mining or using the GPU horsepower to completes calculations that allow you to gain more cryptocurrency you can put simply has become more popular the the crypto currencies such as aetherium that are currently popular are very resistant to mining with Asics or application-specific integrated circuits which are the extremely power efficient little chips that came out after Bitcoin became really popular for Bitcoin mining and basically made it so that mining what GPUs became a thing of the past because why would you buy them with a GPU which is inefficient when you have these a six a six you combine with now we have new cryptocurrencies you can't mind them with a six you can buy them with GPUs in some situations depending on your situation with getting electricity you can buy a graphics card mine with it for two or three weeks pay off the price of the graphics card and then just be making pure profit up to that point but there's a blowback to this it's made it much more challenging to build a gaming computer because all the reasonably priced gaming GPUs are no longer reasonably priced you can also just sort of view the current cryptocurrency market right now this is from a coin market capcom and you can see Bitcoin right now sitting at a price of about two thousand five hundred dollars and aetherium right behind it at least when it comes to market cap and you can see this is the total value of all of the bitcoins that's out there right now it's about 41 billion dollars for Bitcoin that's about twenty five billion dollars for aetherium the price per aetherium coin I don't know each individual unit of the etherium is called acquaint or not but it's about two hundred seventy eight dollars and that's actually a bit down yeah it peaked it I believe close to 400 bucks so the market camp is what it's how much money is floating around right now yeah so as as all the etherium miners continued to mine a theory am they make more aetherium and based on the current price of aetherium that adds more to the market cap right you can sort these by price for examples like if you have the most expensive cryptocurrency you want Project X apparently which is 350,000 but 23 today you spit out in 97 or you can go for 23 skidoo about 30,000 per I don't know how to mind this I don't know how to mine any of these anyway point being what's the upshot to this is this a good thing is it a good thing is it a bad thing Joey you go first or you want to go first uh why don't you go first okay I'm gonna say cryptocurrency mining is a good thing on gaming GPUs regardless of the GPUs because we've already got crypto mining specific cards on their way so eventually that whole issue will be hopefully taken care of where you won't see as much of a shortage with the gaming centric GPUs but I think overall cryptocurrency mining is a good thing for just society and and for our community as a whole I feel like all of a sudden we have this like incredible groundbreaking way to make money and it perfectly caters to the average tech nerd it's like you have to build a PC you have to buy a bunch of graphics cards and set it up it's a very much a DIY project and it really puts us in the most advantageous position because we're already sort of surrounded and we already have a passion for this type of technology so it's like there's a great way a new found way to make money and we already kind of know that gist of how to do it like versus like the average like any of our parents who might be all of a sudden like watching you know a big spread on the news about it and like want to get into it like they have a lot a lot further to learn a lot further to go than we do because we're I feel like we're already a story about the forefront of where that technology starts and then additionally it's it's also a positive thing I think overall in the grand scheme of things is because it's also going to sort of excite people about technology and building pcs and maybe someone who never would have imagined building a PC in the first place now all of a sudden is putting together a rig for the first time because they're trying to mine some Bitcoin or whatever the hell it is so I feel like it's it's it's sort of a gateway type of application that opens up the doors to a lot of new users and eventually will just kind of strengthen the whole PC master-race or whatever the hell you want to call it our community of enthusiasts and it could it could it could definitely be it'd be a nice boost for for our our little gang here you know I think it's cool I think it's cool I gotta go for option two it's a bad thing you're wrong first off it's not opening the door to new PC users because anyone who wants to get in on this is looking at prices that are ridiculously inflated and make no sense for anyone who wants to dive into it right now if you didn't get in on this current Bitcoin mining crazy early and happened to pick up your GPUs at a point when the prices weren't ridiculously overinflated then you're in a really difficult position also point out that all right I want to hate on Bitcoin miners I'm sure there's a lot of you guys out there but if you're not Bitcoin mining with renewable energy I think that's kind of a crappy thing that's part of the reason I'm not Bitcoin mining we're in Southern California I already used too much energy as it is I have tons and tons of graphics cards that I could plug in and start mining but the amount of money I would make from the from the coin mining whether it's a theorem or otherwise would be offset by the amount of money I would have to pay for the electricity and we're not in a renewable and electricity situation here in Southern California if you're somewhere when you where you have support from hydro power or wind power or solar power then then you know more power to you ha ha go for it and and keep doing your thing however I would also point out just one of the fundamental issues with Bitcoin mining and-and-and coin mining in general is that I don't want to dive too much into economics but the only reason any of this crap has any value is because people agree upon it it's a mean it's a made-up thing and it's only because enough people have gotten around and said yes I think that has value that it has any value really there's no functional value to it as well at all it's not backed up by something like precious metals or something that's actually a exhaustible fresh limited resource which in the past is what has attributed value to things like you know stuff that scarce like gold or that kind of thing so the fact that it is basically built up upon a cloud of hopes and dreams of people who think that these things should have money these should be worth worth money makes me think you know it I don't trust it and you shouldn't die think okay there we go let's just give all of our money away since it is you know just a social construct yeah I'm gonna just dump my money dump my entire wallet tons I would get more into that I was gonna dive into like Wall Street and stuff like that but I don't wanna go that far okay results it's a bad thing I win I win Kyle it's about you yeah that's almost half almost half of our audience thinks it's a bad thing because probably more of our audience is into gaming gaming computers than they are actually do - you're takin em yeah 18% of people 65 votes that are saying it's good and then just above that 20% we're still pissed off so dogecoin never took up let's do it dogecoin here right now actually it's nine no losers top ten list Doge my goodness there it is dogecoin dogecoin is currently worth point zero zero two five three eight dials per coin although look it's pretty fast with everything just in the past couple months like the etherium boo has caused like all of the cryptocurrency to go to some extent to some extent still not quite anything near its peak of point zero zero 186 so really low US dollars / dogecoin we all look back fondly on those times okay there it is yay okay never forget so that is pretty much all of my prepared stuff for today oh no wait is it yeah it is yeah that was certified okay so we have a few donations and some QA to go over so starting with des Jones yeah five dollars fun news guys talked to EVGA rep a few days ago and it seems there they will be releasing a gtx 980ti hydro copper no ETA but at least it was confirmed I believe them I'm sure that would be a really nice card hydro copper means it's gonna have more we're copy any couple teases of that one yeah but yeah it's exciting I hope it's using the same PCB and power delivery design that the kingpin of the King Fitness that'd be nice yeah that's hopefully that's what that may be either polar I will get one and we'll do a review on it Scott's dick Dilbeck six dollars and sixty eight cents hearing super metal makes it worth it is it just me or is 50% of the time one of your hands are 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and to have good experience I 5 or I 7 or rice and any benefit to having anything better than a 1070 not considering the insane prices at the moment right now at 1070 is probably your best bang for the buck again not considering the insane prices at the moment it's probably else of what you're gonna have a better option of finding at a reasonable price you if not that then good for 1080 and as for risin I you can get by with an i-5 for sure but if you have the option I would go for an i7 yeah I'm sorry Rising Sun rising yeah as far as the Intel CPUs when it comes to price to performance I lean towards Verizon you might get you might get a couple ticks faster game performance with the Intel the more cores in the future yeah and that seems to where it's going so there you go miss gutted Panda for the fight buck so you skip detector sorry tech cursor for the $10 donation thinking you both for that amazing birthday shout-out so there's our cut Paul question time my PC will only post with ramen single-channel advice does z170a our motherboard 16 gigs read and za RGB kids with an i7 6700k it could be that you have a bunk or a bad dim slot ya could try that I would say take one channel or take one dim and place it in every single slot and boot it every time and make sure that it can boot and successfully use it for a few hours maybe a day in each slot and see if there's any inconsistency from one to the other that could narrow down a potential issue with one of the DIMM slots that has been known to happen you can also try rotating the memory that you're using itself to see if one of your sticks might be bad mm-hmm and if you have an AC sport which looks like z170a are I don't know but they have mem okay to someone in check so just using them okay oh yeah a good memory diagnostic tool that also helps to sneeze I did that one misguided panda for $5.00 hey guys wanted to upgrade my rig from an i5 4460 MSI z77 to Verizon 7 which x3 70 motherboard would you recommend the Asus 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what are the main benefits of crossfire sli do you think it'll be feasible to pair new crossfire sli mining specific GPU with a normal version that's really hard to say I would I would guess I'm probably not oh yeah because if you're looking at like a cut done 10 or 60 or cut well not as 10 60 because you can't hassle I those but cut down our x58 year for 572 pair that with one of the current 5 70 years of five babies like maybe it's I'm sure it's possible if they're based on the same GPU but I wouldn't be surprised if it was locked out somehow um but we're not gonna be able to say that for sure until those mining GPUs are actually out and people try it if it was gonna happen I would say it's gonna happen on AMD side Nvidia is much much more known for restricting the capabilities of what you can SLI if the GPUs aren't exactly the same exact GPU and the same exact amount of memory and everything yep yep dimension Chowdhury Chowdhury with four hundreds I believe that is rupees rupees and a pawn Cal sir hope you guys still remember me from last awesome Hardware yes with you we can forget your name the benjin Chowdhury dimension thank you so much for emailing us helped me a lot building my own PC you love from a 15 year old fan from India right back to you awesome imagine tech man thank you so much you got the beat and yeah you're awesome my knees are the five bucks I'm interested in building a mini or micro ATX build what are your thoughts on the Corsair air 240 case - for I have an air 540 and I love it the air 240 is a pretty solid option it has a ton of air flow it's pretty spacious for a mini ITX chassis which means it's also not the most portable but if you're not looking for like actually like taking it from A to B and there's not much travel involved then it's a really solid solid chassis air 240 yeah honestly is it pretty is a pretty solid chassis it's honestly just a smaller version of the air 540 okay I haven't built in it personally so I'll go with Kyle's 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