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preparing multiple six core coffee leak CPUs and these six core CPUs are not just of the i7 variety but also the i-5 very interesting so this is actually originally from canard PC which is a french language website which I believe french-canadian video cards has it written up here in the Old English but basically there's a man a few months Intel a few months that's vague but soon Intel will introduce new six core processors based on coffee lake architecture there's going to be according to this rumor and I 780 700 K with a 3.7 gigahertz basical base clock none of the articles list beuse clocks yet so that's probably something that if if this is true at all which we're not sure about because it's a rumor the Intel probably hasn't hasn't dispensed with that information yet but 3.7 gigahertz base with hyper-threading and it's a six core processor so 6 cores 12 threads with a 95 watt TDP which is significantly less than their current six core offering with the 7800 X that's not a direct response to rising I don't know what is well certainly then launching it sooner rather than later would be for sure but yeah that too then finally doing six core yeah on the main stream platform and lower TBH p yea lower GDP well the TDP is technically up from their main stream because there is their main stream used to be like 77 watt with those it has well which has well 77 I don't know I don't I don't recall all the all TTP's but I know it's got up a little bit at least when it comes to the high ends excuse the high-end unlock unlock so I guess maybe performance per watt you could say yeah well especially there's two more cores in there so I mean that that certainly also adds to the the heat output alright there's also an i7 8700 9 K version with a 3.2 gigahertz base clock but obviously both of these would have an impact on people who were considering something like a 7800 X which is a 140 watt TDP and that's an X 299 LG at 20 66 CPU and those motherboards cost a lot more and everything so possibly something to consider as well if you were thinking about something like a 7 800 X mm-hmm then of course this would compete with AMD's risin 7 line up but over there at this level they have 8 core versions so yeah the the 1800 X and 1700 X or 95 watt TDP parts and they're both 8 core 16 thread doesn't and then they dropped to 65 watt with the 8 core 16 thread 1700 mm-hmm anyway though there's also a risin I'm sorry an i5 80 600 K that is also 6 cores but without hyper threading as the i5 s usually are so 6 core 6 thread 8600 k 3.6 gigahertz base clock also a 95 watt beyond that one but hey cool six core i5 would have never thought we would have seen the day hmm it'll be interesting yeah you used to be you had to had to be on the enthusiast platform to get that kind of thing there weren't just those six core CPUs though there's also the slowest according to the article six core which is the core i5 8400 that's a 2.8 gigahertz base clock 65 watt TDP and that would compete with 65 watt rise and 5s the i5 8400 rise and 5 still has that SMT though they do yeah they do yeah that is nice so maybe it'll be interesting to see how that doesn't get at that level you do get more threads I mean I would have to imagine if this is a third eye duration of their 14 nanometer architecture they're staying on 14 nanometer as far as they know with coffee lake it's like plus plus right before the anime or plus plus or something like but if they can squeeze a little bit more Multi multi core multi-threaded performance by going 6 core but they still have that edge when it comes to like high top-end gaming gaming performance yeah then you know they might have an argument but it all comes down to how it's priced right I mean that's where Intel's getting slammed right now when it comes to like X to 99 and the i9 stuff is just it's so expensive compared to AMD stuff if Intel brought in their prices and made them more competitive then people will probably not be giving them quite as hard of a time course there's other issues with the platform as well right but let's move on for that also in this article there's a few a couple other mentions from that canard PC article talk of a pure mobile coffee like mobile 6 core CPU that will be about two point two point oh gigahertz with a 45 watt TDP and also coffee like you quad-core with a 28 watt TDP for low-power notebooks so that's stuff - alright go mobile next up a PC perspective article you know also in the rumor category but kind of interesting how this information came out the rumor is that Intel is going to be launching a quad-core KB Lake our CPU or or a few PPAR CPUs for ultra portables such as the Acer Swift three here which believe is where this information actually came from it was a listing for an unannounced revision of the Easter switch three notebook that had the CPU in question listed as the CPU and Nick I've had a few other updates for this revision a new Pascal base Nvidia excuse me MX 150 GPU that's already known though that was announced just before Computex but down here the i5 8250 you processor is kb lake our that has not been announced by intel the description here says it's quad core and based on this the good folks over at pc perspective went and did a little bit more research its article is actually by ken addison so I can't make any Ryan trout puns but anyway yeah based on the knowledge that the description says it's a quad core they said following Intel's history with the u series parts the 85 8250 you would traditionally be a 15 watt dual-core CPU with hyper-threading enabled because it's true quad core parts are usually a higher TDP now the article we just talked about was coffee like coming in at different lower power lower TDP options but this article also addresses that they said they'd think it's different so this is kind of weird overlap again where you have like a new KB Lake product coming out with coffee like also potential in the rise in the next few months you know which also should theoretically have low power options that would be competitive with something like this but yeah they also went and looked up the processor ski once they found at the 8250 you and the Geekbench database and I found other notebook manufacturers had already tested this and uploaded results so they're expecting refreshed versions of the Dell XTX XPS 13 and the Asus Zenbook Zeiten Zenbook ux302 and the benchmark results in Geekbench they pulled up showed a 54% increase in multi-threaded CPU performance and about a 7% increase in single-threaded performance the multi-threaded performance increase would make sense since you're increasing the core count yeah so it seems to have hyper-threading as well yeah okay well that's cool would have been kind of more ambiguous had they went to true quad-core and disabled hyper threading for some reason but that's nice that get to have your cake and eat it too yeah so kind of cool I mean obviously this is in the room of category so there's still stuff that's not known about that and it's information that they pulled up from other databases and early product listings and stuff so does does the are just keep you like does the R represent mobile is that what the R means they Intel has the different letters that they put at the end for like different sets that are meant for like different use cases so like you know this is for like ultra portable notebooks so it's not quite as the the I mean they've they've had like 15 watt TDP processors in these types of products in the past so very low-power you know should have really long battery life you know good for web browsing and a small inexpensive device or something like that yeah but they're just trying to segment it from their high-end stuff their more mainstream yes top part yes are but the are would indicate like potentially a new a new stack of products in that category venom yeah anyway alright one more article in this segment this was actually launched about or this information became known about four or five days ago but a MIDI rise and thread Ripper has now been confirmed even more so this is confirmation but there is a rumor that's a that's sort of woven in here as well this is a PC gamer article by Gordon young and this is based on AMD's announcements last week they also launched a video on it to processors that they have confirmed the thread Ripper 1950 X which is a 16 core 32 thread 3.4 gigahertz base clock 4 gigahertz boosts clock $1000 processor yeah yeah $1000 AMD's giving you 16 cores in 32 threads also 64 PCI Express gen3 lanes so that's cool too also the second processor a 12 core 40 at 12 424 thread thread river 1920 X this one has a 3.5 gigahertz base clock and a 4 gigahertz boost clock so lower core count means that it can run more of those cores at a higher frequency so that's the slightly higher base 800 dollar price tag on this one so yeah both of them have 64 PCI Express lanes available 180 watt TDP so these are going to require a pretty significant amount of cooling it's not quite as bad as like the 220 watt TDP stuff like the nine ninety five ninety that kind of thing that they had that kind of required something like an air cooling an all-in-one liquid cooler or really high-end air cooler but they also both have quad-channel ddr4 and they're gonna of course be supported by X 399 chips that motherboards with the big old TR for sockets there will be pre-orders here's a look at the socket by the way so money dies so little time we go look at that thing is a burst I was blown away by how big it was just seeing it in person at Computex that's the span of my hand no maybe not that big but yeah it's definitely the biggest socket I've ever seen in person it is how many pins LGA 4000 94 this is the pink out there so there's that twice the size of a mainstream socket yeah yeah and they have to make it that big because they are putting like for individual rising course so yep each with a well each each with actually half of their cores enabled so you get four times four Justine and then it's kind of and it's the same layout that they're using for epic and epic will have four rising chorus with all of the cores enabled giving 32 core 64 thread processors alright a couple more details about this select pre-orders excuse me selects pre-orders will be starting on July 27th Alienware is the major manufacturer or big box see a maker of computers who will have them also there'll be some boutique builders who will be providing pre-orders on July 27th see few motherboards will be on shelves in early August and it's going to support up to one terabyte of memory when 100 and but that's when you use lrdimms or load reduced dims other than otherwise I think it's sports half of that if you're not using our dims Intel's 16 Core i 979 60 X is supposed to be $1700 by comparison so 1700 for 16 cores versus a thousand for 16 cores Intel's 12 core I 979 20x is supposed to be $1,200 1,200 versus 800 for the 12 core version also at least according to what AMD is said none of these neither of these products have launched yet intel has launched X 299 as a platform but they're hired core count 12 12 cores and up CPUs aren't out yet and we still don't know when they're gonna be out it's not if if AMD launches these when they say they're they might have their 12 and 16 core CPI and desktop CPUs out there before intel does there's some tests in the article linked to the description as all the articles are by the way if you guys want to check out a little bit more details but Andy's test with the 12 core thread repair 1920 X it beat the 10 core 7900 X with a Cinebench r15 score of 2431 to 2167 then they also ran Cinebench on the 16 core threader for 1950 excess cord 3062 so that's cool there's no word yet on other core cat versions so like 14 core 10 core for example we're not sure if that's gonna be a thing at all and the last thing about this is that due to the immense size and we imagine higher TDP of the stutter 4 CPUs it is rumored this is the rumor brick bit of this that they are going to ship with liquid all in one cooling solutions hmm so that at it we don't know if that's going to be included with the thousand dollar or 800 dollar price tag or what you'll pay a premium to get yet include or or if there's going to be a special kit or something like that right but this is the art this is the actual video that AMD posted by the way if you guys haven't already seen it here for example is a screenshot from the sweet clockers youtube channel showing i believe this is Noctua showing their cooler that they designed the one on the left of the tr4 socket so you can see the size of the contact plate for that compared to a standard and four socket for risin on the right side so there's potential questions when it comes to conflict PCIe slots it's wider than the heatsink yeah is it's wider than the actual you think so it is massive and I don't know if there's any if there's any additional trickery that needs to go on because instead of dealing with a centralized you know CPU die like you are in a traditional CPU you're dealing with CPU dies that are spread out across the substrate I wonder if that all like saint-like like draft up any new thermal paste application methods you know imagine any way to apply thermal paste specifically for thread Ripper if it actually makes a difference because of the layout potentially yes because you're gonna want to have spread like if it's yeah like usually it's like all right if you've have enough spread to cover the die that's it's a middle you're right now it's like well you've got four dies that are spread out even if it spreads from the middle you might have corners of those edge ones that aren't don't doesn't have the pieces spread over it and whatever and obviously you're going to need to use more of it as well squad P method maybe you do for peace yeah 1p overreach over each die yeah or it just goes back Chris you're the old paintbrush yeah yeah you can do that too you know so there's some there's some CPU thermal pace that used to ship with like a is like is like I polish or whatever you know I polish I I shadow not even I should what is this I don't know anything you know I've got the Navon it's got the brushed against it and that's yeah I think what is long we're out of our element all right I know what you mean yeah yeah no I'm saying max on wax off type of things yeah I got you so cool there it is and so endeth tech of the day after tomorrow hopefully sooner rather than later next up it can a we're bringing back say it ain't so yes such a popular segment yep so these are all terrible stories or things that have gone wrong or things that didn't turn out how they would appear I guess you have a big debbie downer I'm broadening the stick-in-the-mud I'm broadening the definition of this segment so I can bring more - all right so this is what I popped up on a reddit today you guys may have seen it there appears to be people having issues contacting emergency numbers with their 1+5 phones this is the original post on reddit this guy had to dial 911 +5 yesterday because he saw a building on fire a few blocks away and both times the phone rebooted on him he posted this Facebook video which I will now play back for you guys make it bigger he's a Bulls fan apparently he's a Bulls fan no not a Bulls fan at the University of Texas is long ha Longhorns kind of how much I know about sports okay so he's dialing 9-1-1 right now it goes to that it goes to dial the emergency number I don't have audio on but um it never actually rings and then if you watch here in just a moment I saw a ceiling and it just shows my phone shuts down and only with emergency maybe states but apparently only with emergency numbers but one number that you really need you need that line to connect and when you really need to make a call like the mostly check your phone off a life-and-death situation I know there's also there's also like government requirements that a phone has to be able to call nine nine one one might say seems like it should you know I don't know the details on that specifically but Gizmodo dig did pick this up and apparently there's a little bit more going on in the reddit thread and some people have done a little bit more researching don't try this at home by the way if you have a one plus five yeah don't go don't just go trying to call 9-1-1 or your emergency number you'll find apparently there's also using the UK who reported the same thing although they have a different number it's not nine on one over there it's some other it's like 911 it was an English accent but yeah they have the dude's video up there and stuff oneplus told Gizmodo that they are working with customers individually to solve the issue but did not provide any further details on the bug Gizmodo conferred three reports of this going on and 999 apparently we're hearing from our UK viewers or people who just know it's also for a for one one is information here in the u.s. 69 69 69 sounds like yeah ten-four hashtag 420 and of course pound 422 save a life pound it alright um so yeah if you've got a 1 + 5 I would keep an eye on this yeah and see what happens cuz like I said this is from today so um I don't have any further follow-up information on what 1 plus s to say about that there's gotta be more widespread there's a great like sketch in here somewhere where like two guys are on their phones one guys like one guys Galaxy seven note with the one plus five days I call nine-one-one hey you're right and you just told everyone about it it wouldn't make that please that could be a vine right yeah yeah okay beautiful no a PC gamer article apparently some Amazon purchasers of rice and CPUs have not received actual res and CPUs does that look like a box no just tell from the heat spreader yeah so at least two users according to this article have reported receiving an Intel Celeron processor masquerading as an AMD risin 7 1700 so obviously you guys watch our channels and you're smart people and just looking at the CPU would be like that's that is an LG a processor that is obviously not arisin 7 or whatever it's purporting to be there's supposed to be a rise in 7 1700 you can kind of see up there at the top originally reported by resin reddit you user shooter nine nine nine and like I said two confirmed users according to the PC Gamer article their piece appears to be some level of sophistication to this as the screen down rise and logo looks I mean if that's all you're looking at looks somewhat legit here's another if you don't know any better if you're a novice builder or something like that it could slip by you and again this is one of those things that's only been reported in the past few days and there's not a whole lot of follow up on it yet we don't know if this is something that's any more widespread it does seem like something a little bit more sophisticated but who knows I believe WCC F Tech reported on this as well the article references they're actually read both of their articles on it WCC F Tech said that the two of the fake chips appearing the what in the wild and a short span is indicative of a well organized mass armed a fraud seeping through the cracks which is he knows you know maybe it could be it's very dramatic very serious it is very dramatic but but yeah what this appears to be is RMA fraud which means that someone the the people who are committing the fraud bought real CPUs from Amazon took the CPUs to resell a user whatever took their fake CPUs put it back in the box return that to Amazon probably for a refund Amazon took the return back Amazon's return people didn't recognize that CPU wasn't real gave out the refund and then put that return CPU back into their inventory and sold it again so again not sure how this is gonna happen I wonder is like if I mean now that it's out like aren't those people kind of busted like Amazon I feel like could easily track it back to them and revoke the refund and just they have their well they you always use like in burner accounts I guess that's Ingram you gotta make sure that it's not can't be traced back yeah you get get some address that you know you can go and pick up packages from or something like that but right I mean unless they're stupid you never know and I feel like if you're smart enough to put together several like that then yeah you'd probably be somewhat more intelligent about how you and I feel bad for anyone trying to install that fake horizon processor not knowing any better and just ruining their motherboard oh yeah it's on if you do not know what you're doing like you can royally screw ups well hardware I mean maybe I mean I guess you're putting it in a name for Bora Bora it'd be less of a chance of destroying something room but you could probably I mean II could still okay I don't the lever go down on to it or just wear all the pins my everyone said building computers was easy I just have no idea that I know I grew up some people get life yes event taste in their mouth for Aaron I know if you guys remember but this is back in 2010 and there was a new egg fake CPU that the new egg was selling not like intentionally or anything like that but it was a bit of a scandal because this is before I got there right yeah this is what I was actually in the box they were supposed to be i-79 $0.20 and what people actually got was something like this so some they they sort of did a some kind of mold and filled it up to get stuff that looked vaguely like what it was supposed to was so this was a reseller on market place so this was actually product that was sold to Newegg by dnh this is from the UH NART achill by the way this isn't my inside information Oh No why hasn't this plugged in your battery's very low record just straight up just lying on the floor like the plugs not even plugged I was like I know that power strips on cuz otherwise our streaming piece we wouldn't be streaming right now that should help okay thank God for those little notifications that tell you that your sister yeah yeah thanks thanks windows have been inconvenient alright um anyway yeah so like 300 of these got sold to Newegg and they were actually went into inventory and started being sold to people and people started getting them the know you had to go and investigate and figure out what where it all happened and they all traces back to the single order and yeah that was a bit more of a gray market like counterfeiter who somewhat knows probably has some ins inside information about the industry to get that through and actually sell them or whatever but yeah the CPU coolers go for a lot of those are hard to find these guys yeah the foam agenda it looks so weird yeah that's funny all right next up there's the security robot it's called a night scope k5 and today committed suicide yeah it doesn't look so great dope into a fountain oh it is its own accord yeah the night scope k5 is a 5-foot tall 300-pound security guard we've we've actually briefly mentioned I think we've shown this on the show before they're you know they're in service and apparently this this DC office bought one and then it promptly committed suicide by diving into the fountain you know you should live anymore are you sure it didn't work at Foxconn or something like that eventually it seems like I wanted to click this link this mystery the mall security there's an image of one yeah this one knocked over a toddler right what so maybe it was the same one it felt so bad for that incident couldn't couldn't handle the guilt yeah Ross herself and finally just decided to off himself I'm gonna dive into the fountain as a random I have nothing to wear more oh yeah I was supposed to actually I was supposed that's alright we'll do what we'll do this one too alright this one's actually kind of lame but it's about Windows 10 so that's why allows the end of the story okay yeah there wasn't much more about augusti security robot it just out a minute suicide so rest in peace rip yeah all right so when does 10 support could end early on some some systems depending on what actual internal hardware that system uses this is the best picture we have to show you on this story so if you guys aren't familiar with some of the transitions and changes that Microsoft has made over the past I don't know how many years 2 3 4 5 years since they've switched from Windows 8 and 8.1 to Windows 10 Windows 10 is now a service knots like an eider ative product that they come out with new versions of every year once you have Windows 10 on your device you should get all the Windows 10 updates you should always be up to date with the current version of Windows and everything like that unless whether you like it or no unless your device unless your device reaches its end of its supported lifetime which has just recently happened for some devices so there's a specific reason why this has happened but the the more the overall idea is a little bit scarier we have to assume Microsoft isn't gonna shoot itself in the foot too much by like end of life in products based are like devices based on products that you know our Comment or whatever like so basically if you have a system built on Intel's clover trail atom processors there's a low cost low power processors they were manufactured in devices between 2012 and 2015 not too long ago but you're basically blocked from installing Windows 10 version 1703 which is the new creators update you're stuck with the previous version or prior and since each version of Windows 10 that comes out such as the creators update windows is only supporting for 18 months it means that your product that just lost the support with this previous version is only going to be supported for about another 18 months a lot of this ship the systems that are based on Intel clover trail atom processors shipped with Windows 8 and 8.1 so the people who got them and we're using them got that like Windows 10 is coming like update to Windows 10 for free all that whole nonsense and so like oh yeah I'm just gonna update to Windows 10 and now I have it and now my sitting device is all set but if you happens to be the owner unfortunate owner of one of these devices and you update it from Windows 8 or 8.1 what does a main point one have the what's known as the five plus five supports policy from Microsoft which is five years of support for services and and five additional years of support for security so that means that you've gone from potentially having your vice your device supported by Microsoft until 2023 to having support drop-off 18 months from now which is a lot a lot earlier than that early early 2018 is when your your device support would drop off as well now to be clear again there is a specific reason why support is going away for these CPUs in particular it's because these used an on Intel GPU that was designed by imagination technologies which means that it's just sort of a throws a wrench in the driver support so Microsoft for their side is saying like you know the resources that would be required to providing continuous updates for this particular subset of hardware isn't worth it or whatever like that so yeah there's also potentially going to be updates from some devices based on this they specifically referenced Acer and the article they have a note with their their units that are supported by this with the different atom processors and they said that they're going to potentially provide compatible drivers to up to address this incompatibility but them that was like seven months ago so who knows if that's actually gonna happen so just something to keep in mind is that your Windows 10 might not last forever if Microsoft decides to stop supporting your hardware are most of these processors found in laptops yes these are Adam processes so little pro like laptops and netbooks that kind of thing tablets perhaps okay yeah so if you're worried that like oh I have like a Sandy Bridge processor or like something like that is is Microsoft gonna suddenly decide Sandy Bridge it's no longer supported or something like that potentially years down the road but they're not going to take something that has a massive install base and suddenly say that they're not supporting it again like this this is almost absolutely for sure because of the graphics I GPU the yeah the integrated graphics as part of this SOC so as a result this set of products is losing support saying it really sucks if you use those products and it really sucks if you look at it started from a larger perspective as far as Microsoft support for devices going on down the road I wouldn't say run for the hills and like Microsoft is gonna start you know dropping a lot of stuff but it's definitely something to consider if you're looking into buying a laptop from here on out like if the integrated graphics is not we're considering anything that's like non-mainstream if it's like oh here's this like it's it's got a I don't know I don't I've got all my good examples would be on the cellphone side because that's where you find a lot of like you know chip manufacturers even nerd never heard of before mm-hmm at least on the just unlike third-party integration that seems low yeah far move from yeah because cuz Microsoft I mean they they have to do the development work and and help support that as they do updates if they decide to change something for how the UI UI works did I say Microsoft yeah they decide to change something with how the UI works they need to make sure that that is going to function across any hardware that it might be installed on right so by end-of-life being certain hardware it means they don't have to worry about that anymore so saves in man-hours when it comes to development so yeah from my understanding it makes sense ok let's move in to swordfight so we're great we have one single swordfight question to answer today it's kind of based on that robot article mmm what's a robot that committed suicide swordfight if you guys are familiar with it it's suicide worth it I wasn't going quite that dark that's that's the next video then from our friend Austin Evans yeah Oh suicide suicide is it worth it it's like man let's you can see once you've reached the height of YouTube fame then you realize I think it's all just empty super dirty kind of cool okay so the question we're gonna answer right now is should because that that's like a robot that's kind of doing work and stuff right and I've always imagined like in the Jetsons that people will have assistant robots but maybe people shouldn't have assistant robots robots that just help us do things right they're getting fancier and fancier so in a generic sort of way but obviously also finally and forevermore we're going to decide should people have personal assistant robots I know you this is something you've given a lot of thought to in the past everyday options yes every day we deserve we deserve to have robot assistants or that no people are lazy enough already and of course they'll end up turning us anyway I'm gonna go with my gut instinct here instead of playing devil's advocate and say no people are already lazy enough plus the robots will inevitably destroy us all and you know our digital overlords will one day I mean we've all seen terminator well you know how Skynet works we know that it is not just a movie but a premonition a warning to all of us but we have to be on our guard humans must maintain our the status quo and we cannot be overtaken by stupid robots plus we're lazy back back to that I mean we already have weird things like the Amazon Alexa thing which I still think is just kind of weird like like all of a sudden you have this new family member that you bought on Amazon it just I know I might be I might be sounding like an old person right now too like the earlier or the the newer generation stuff like that but um I don't know call me old-fashioned but I think that you're old-fashioned I've I've seen the movie wall-e I know how that goes yeah well human race when they get super lazy they're just floating around on these floating tubes which look really fun I will admit to start they looked Opie and incredibly fun but to actually live on them I feel like there is a point where you have to kind of think to use technology responsibly I feel like technology is like a gun you know so many people are against guns and gun violence and gun control it's like yeah and then it's like you go back to that argument guns don't kill people you know people kill people with guns I mean it's like technology like technology can be used for good or evil and everywhere in between I personally think that having robotic assistance is for something like disabled people you know maybe some War veterans or who need the extra help who live alone something like that great but if you're like a fully functional human being like no it's like it's like having a really badass PC and like building another PC to help that already fast PC run faster if that if that was the thing well it seems gratuitous seems gratuitous and very American alright well that's an interesting that you should phrase it that way but let me explain why you're wrong okay alright always have been so all right here first off when it comes to personal robot assistants I'm in favor of them I'm in favor of robots in general the way I look at it is like automation right that's what's coming Automation and robots will be part of that automation and robots are going to be handing a lot of handling a lot of jobs that people did before so do bad people going to lose their jobs so people are going to have work to do anymore which means that people are going to need robot assistance in order to help them occupy their time as well as to help do things that might otherwise cost some money so that they can save money because they don't have jobs anymore this all makes perfect sense the other thing is that obviously as indicated in the question eventually these robots will evolve take over and you know predator will become prey all that kind of thing in my personal opinion the safest way to go about making that transition which is inevitable and obviously we can't do anything about is to make sure that there's no time in the past that you can look back on that the robots when they have their machines working on looking at the history of everything that's been uploaded to the internet that you've never said anything negative about robots which is why I like robots they're good and everyone should have a robot friend you're full of let's see what people think the bots are smart enough to figure out your they'll see right now you look at that really this is neck-and-neck slight market in five votes Wow this is we should just sit and watch this the rest of the field we should just watch this is revenue worth we're 30 half cent were tied oh boy no time I have three more votes than you no more votes come on no come on yes come on see I will always be like one or two votes ahead oh let's just look at that one I didn't blow way far ahead and vote yet no still you we don't get to vote we get to argue the voting it the argued that argument well the the straw poll is linked to the video's description if anyone else watching in this in the future and wants to vote on that it will thought nothing and but it makes filled the empty void of your existence for just a free brief bleeding seconds or at least your existence oh yeah my it'll make me feel good okay ah see it's 100 watts can't do for you that's right no they can there's gonna be a hand job a robot job robot for that too I mean hopefully we'll have robots that can do lots of different things but the one that just complements you all the time oh no it's using the blender arm that's why if you're smart you're going into suffer development every robot needs a safe word I'm not smart alright let's finish off my half of the show with just a quick quick little finisher finisher which is news of course tech news I've already discussed quite a bit of tech news but we're going to talk about it cerium aetherium yes so fear you'll read my story go an ethereal currency it's gone give me just a second figure YUM what a cool sounding name this just sounds cool just the sound of it when you hear it makes you want to mine it okay quit Cal aren't you talking about this on your half - a little bit a little bit on the theory I'm alright so the thinking price has gone way down but not entirely so I'm gonna now yeah use GPUs though are also becoming a little bit more available which is pretty cool this article on hardware discusses several of those things and but let's just go directly to ebay shall we do it look at this look at this large 470 stop it stopped at eBay for $130 yeah yeah that's what I'm talking about right there buy it now what I'm talking about reshaping two of 470 right now for a hundred and thirty dollars what about another one from the one below X 100 only 125 18 let's look at the 580 3300 G bit on that what is there something wrong with this no it's just if you're just liquidating them right now I think the bid like it's just more time oh there was an action that's why yeah bye look at that rx 580 hundred and ninety dollars pretty good for a game yeah we're super geek so that's uh it's kind of where it should be yeah well yeah because you know these people probably bought these cards before or at least at the very start of the mining craze where the cards maybe hadn't inflated an insane amount just yet so they're probably able to sell them back to closer to retail Christ I would think yeah I mean certainly these look kind of legit so yeah I'm an sold listings I wonder how many of these cards are from the same guy like you might raise my baby a gigabyte Radeon rx 580 like oh these are and these are listings that have ended apparently the word is out are they recent though all right well anyway point is that aetherium has been a little shaky recently and in fact just over the last weekend's after hitting the $400 high that hit in June it was around one hundred and eighty four dollars on Friday it dropped down below hundred and fifty bucks on Sunday it actually got as low as a hundred and thirty but today my goodness today look it bounced back so low point today was a hundred and eighty two hundred eighty three bucks Pete's just actually a couple hours ago I think boom at 267 99 and then it dropped back to chuck all the way back down to 240 it's on its way back up so yeah it seems to have bounced back a little bit all this is to say you know if you've been waiting to buy a graphics card you might need to wait a little bit longer since we were looking at finished auctions there and that auctions that are on right now but their prices aren't do seem to be coming down the difficulty of mining has gone up so the prospect of telling someone like hey by these two graphics cards mine with them for a month or two months you'll pay for the graphics card and then you'll start making profit it's just becoming less viable of an option people who have graphics cards already and are mining with in like to keep mining the you know do what you do but because of the increased difficulty and earlier today because of the drop in price we're not sure how this is going to work out if it's going to go back below 200 bucks again or anything obviously it is one of those things that changes based on how many coins are being mined in the marketplace and all that speculation also changes on stuff like a seven million dollar aetherium heist this was crazy look at that corn - alright so Quinn - I don't know what coin - is I think I don't really know what coin - was supposed to I don't know if it's a new type of cryptocurrency but they had and I what is equivalent of an IPO the initial coin offering the IC o---- so I think this is a new cryptocurrency yeah Quinn - but anyway the people who in charge of coin - had a website they put their aetherium address on their website and said investors start sending aetherium our IC is IC o---- is open you can invest right now and give us a theory m and then you'll you'll get our you'll you know you're basically buying this currency but hackers hacked it replaced the address with their own haha and basically got about seven million dollars worth of etherion over the course of a very short period of time and actually said that was seven million dollars when this article was written which was actually that was earlier today by the world by the end of today it's probably worth even more and I would put it somewhere between eight and ten million dollars worth in fact there's people on reddit there's a reddit thread about this linked in the article and the people on reddit are saying like it looks like an inside job which seems like I mean who knows it could be but yeah the the website posted a statement is unfortunate for us to announce that we have suffered a hacking attack during our tokens sale event during the attack seven million dollars were stolen by a currently unknown perpetrator basically people who sent aetherium to that fraudulent email address are out of luck and and yeah transactions sent any fraudulent address after our website was shut down will not be compensated Oh so after the website was shut down so maybe they're working on something for the people who who were duped in some way because obviously you don't want to pissed off all your potential investors right what a nightmare that's pretty crazy that's not how you want to start off unless you're a hacker so hey why you're ICO to go all right thanks the Atari bucks has a little bit more information on it not a lot we talked about this briefly so there are a couple more pictures if you guys are interested Atari is saying that this is a retro gaming console that we'll be able to play both retro and current games what ends it's not really a hundred percent sure all right what that means but the pictures themselves you can actually make out of the connection points at least it's got four USB ports as well as a SD card slot reader an HDMI output an Ethernet port on the back and according to the article on legit reviews Forbes actually also covered this and they said they think this is going to be something along the lines of the Ouya mmm that will be able to run a current current gen game apps thanks to packing something like an Android operating system or a Windows micro console inside so it'll have some sort of emulator for Atari games but then also be able to play you know Android based games or perhaps Atari will make something like a small marketplace where they can develop new games for it or something like that who knows but that's the thing don't know you guys know more about it alright we talked about this also last week but I wanted to follow up on the vrm thing for X 299 motherboards there Bauer who is a well-known overclocker threw out some critiques against a lot of the motherboard manufacturers for their cooling on VRMs and some of the BRM configurations on x-29 and i motherboards and especially when overclocking the chips with specific settings lined up they could get extremely warm and it was depending on how you were testing things it was a question of whether the CPU or the VRMs was going to be what overheated and throttled to your overclock first asus has been designing and recently redesigned the rampage 6 apex which is what you can kind of see the heatsink for right here so the apex basically they have improved the cooling on by redesigning the vrm cooling block and adding what are known as fins stacks of fins for increased surface area kind of highly effective apparently is something that manufacturers used to know how to do but but kind of forgot how to do or something like that there's a lot of criticism as far as like going more for aesthetics versus practical actual dissipation of heat and that kind of thing with these types of boards this is a very skewed picture by the way this board is not quite this wide its it's a little bit skinnier but um but yeah you can see they can sink up here and this is actually the original version that where you can see that didn't have right that design so it's just more like a single contiguous block of aluminum or whatever's going on the island therefore the material that's being used so they worked with her Barrow directly on this they collaborated for with his input he was like hey more surface area physics and he has video up on it which is linked in this article so you guys can check that too if you want yeah now there's gonna be like some isus assassin trying to like hunt down to Bower even though they worked with him they'll elaborate or perhaps unless they were setting him up for the assassin they were luring him 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thanks Ronan Jeremy Vash for the 21 million running a seven eight 1700 X and would love to go Vega but have a 1440 144 Hertz g-sync monitor outta luck or would there be much difference oh and split this with the bit please uh you probably would want to stick with Nvidia honestly honestly if you like your monitor because you can't do you can't do g-sync with a with Vega curtain you just you just can't that's part of what they want to do when it comes to like g-sync being proprietary is they want to get you into that ecosystem so you'll need to keep buying their graphics cards yeah which is intelligent to some degree but yeah if you've already got the monitor and you like your monitor and you're not planning on replacing it I would say stick with Nvidia consider something like a 1070 1080 1080 TI wait wait till before you buy something wait till Vega comes out because if it's competitively performing alongside the GTX 1080 and who knows Nvidia might drop the price on the 1080 some yeah get a better deal on or you might you might be in a situation where you can sell your g-sync monitor and get a cheaper freesync monitor and use that with Vega yeah that could be an option too yep okay one super source for ten bucks hey guys decided to get the air 540 now running in r5 1600 waiting for my cryo rig backplates to be able to overclock as high as I can also Windows 10 is confused whether I need to activate it again if you've already activated windows on a particular motherboard it should automatically reactivate when you reinstall Windows 10 if you install the same version because when you activate it does a forget what the type of key is called but it burns up the key that you plug in and it makes a new special hidden key that's tied to your hardware but it should recognize your hardware and automatically activate Windows when you reinstall if not you might need to do phone activation or one of those options yeah but just make sure to make sure if you do phone activation and they say how many systems is this copy of Windows been installed on the answer is always 1 ok yes Jones $10 what is your take on thread Ripper do you think the 12 core for 800 is a better value than the 16 core for a thousand what's your take on it and how much do you think the motherboards will be I think it just boils down to how many cores you actually need for whatever it is you're doing you know there's a lot of stuff that isn't gonna really do much with 16 cores right now yeah that's just how it is yeah a lot of software is it designed that way yeah so twelve core might be something that's more for like a crossover where you need a little bit more frequency you know if you are gonna like dabble in gaming as well or something like that in write rise in with a higher frequency and a nice high frequency memory can do a pretty pretty good job at that and I would imagine the 12 core might overclock a little bit better yes essentially worse yeah yeah so I would say I would take a long hard look at the software you're planning and using and maybe potentially wait until after launch so you can see find out some somehow somewhere how the software you're planning to use performs these two processors whether that 200 bucks is worth it because it doesn't seem like that much like 200 more bucks for 16 cores instead of 12 right right and that's a lot more thread it should be it should be 750 dollars and a thousand don't say that out loud then it would name they might be watching that it would be equally good many of these terrible how much I think the motherboards will be the x3 ninety nine boards probably in the same say mr. X too many and I am pretty much you're gonna be my desktop level you'll find a budget one for you know maybe maybe 200 if you're lucky probably more like 220 230 for the budget range 250 to 300 is where you're kind of good boards will sit and then you'll have like really fancy boards that are more than that but thanks to this next up we've got Larry Larry Froning $5 no comment thank you very much for the donation baby child for the $5 got my a 2 volt eg and the co say 570 X's in the mail today cannot await to set it up and goof up short my system with a wreak curl up in a bar and finery crash oh yeah that won't happen now with the terrible little 1840 G will you view message that was it easy to use it's very easy yeah it takes some time to setup and stuff because it's a full custom loop yeah um but no the instructions are very clear step-by-step nothing really went wrong for me so I'm pretty sure you can handle it baby you've got this you've got this girl's video it'll tell you everything you need to know thank you for the plug Paul um no okay so we were doing boils again Jonathan Mercado $10 this show is lit homies yeah hashtag first time live viewers hey Jonathan thanks John appreciate your viewing we open we open even even Connor ten Aussies ten acido Aussie bucks I'll call him Aussie bucks I have a budget box of a I five sixty five hundred and R X 480 a one terabyte sshd with a 1080p 60 Hertz monitor which components or things should I upgrade first the CPU to rise in 1600 graphics m2 SSD or monitor to 1440p I kind of like your setup for right now I don't think you're really in need of a big upgrade so yeah I might start looking at monitors cuz your monitor will give you a reason to upgrade the rest of the stuff and you can handle a decent amount of stuff at 1440 right now yeah and I 1440 monitor if you're really not getting the frame rate you want at 1440 you can always just play 1080 on it scales perfectly fine yeah so oh yeah don't look around at a monitor and you got an SS HD - that would probably be my secondary option but an SS HD is gonna give you a lot of the same responsiveness that you get with an SSD yeah so yeah that's him honor yep I agree turtle and training $10 hey guy just one just one of us we don't know who that's directed to only one of us I'm considering jumping into 1440p or 4k I have a I 74770 kcp you it's stockin was wondering if I upgraded to a 1080i or Vega well my cpu bottleneck the system if so will overclocking the little overclocking help the bottleneck um I honestly think that that's a fair pairing there yeah you're probably okay I mean any bottleneck that might occur it's not gonna be detrimental to your gaming performance - to invalidate how much you're spending on the graphics card yes sample yes overclocking will help though yeah of course mm-hmm it's free performance so you might as well do it as long as you have a decent cooling system on your CPU and depending on your 4770k you should be able to get at least four point five four point four or four point five yeah if you're lucky you can get four six four seven below one point 4 volts hopefully yeah on a good chip even less than that with 4770k actually I guess one point three three two four one three to five is this how you want as you want to go reasonably for something you want to leave there okay if I recall correctly I hope I'm recalling it seems like so long ago doesn't know so much just happen it's like it's a barely two generations old okay Sebastian Casilla for the 50m arse I just saw an NZXT power supply to Hale a t2 v2 700 watt bronze is it worth it or should I go for another brand great show as always that's a very difficult question to answer without knowing the price yeah cuz those are it's perfectly fine power supply right now it's not like crazy high-end or anything but how much does it cost damn it it's five dollars you should buy if it's like 40 50 bucks us and it's in good shape then it's probably an okay deal twenty or thirty bucks and it's probably a good deal it's anything more than that then probably not yeah agreed next up we've got a Dmitry Dmitry Gromov didn't grimace demos do good mo Ostin it's a ten British pounds thank you very much that look let make some minor hates hate me I've got to 1080 eyes and 510 70s fully paid off and still mining at 25 GBP per day suck it haters ah he's sticking it to all the mining haters well you know do what you got to do man um 25 G beat GBP per day that's that's over that's like what 30 35 bucks us thereabouts depends on the time of day and that kind of thing I mean yeah but yeah that's not bad actually I wonder how many if you get 510 70s in sure yeah that's it's pretty gnarly thank you very much dimitri Joel bald sita $5 hey I live in Roland where are your favorite places to eat there also Aussie dollars are dollar redos dollar II dues okay Colin dollar reduced then a favorite place to eat over there shabu which doesn't does that didn't even sound like a real sentence that I just said right there no idea of dying about making up stuff like this a pair tie oh ruined pare grandparent pairs is right it's right by the I hop yeah it's like little hole-in-the-wall kind of yeah right out ratification Fullerton yeah yeah yeah that's one of the best high places very good Thai food right there dim sum the dim sum there's really good if you want to go to a new capital seafood restaurant yeah oh oh this I mean if you like if you like Asian food there's so many good options in Roland yes nice all over the place I was a nice thing about working at new egg just we had our pick of the litter of all the good Asian food at lunch yeah bubble tea yeah what's that lets sit there haven't half yeah half and half super good I actually don't like bubble tea but haven't half has like a milk it's like a milk I see can't drink that so yeah it's really tasty I smoked Andrew bird for the pet ten bucks been watching this is your new egg days Paul essentially helped me build my first computer and now I'm about to begin a career as a network administrator hey sure what you do that's awesome Congrats man as soon I get a cut like a small percentage of that checks in the mail how that works you Matthew Garcia ten bucks is the last one hey guys love the show because of you I was able to build my PC with no problems how does one ship beer to you guys to enjoy the show pack it carefully yes lots of wrapping of bubble wrap and stuff like that and then you can ship it to either of our Pio boxes and both of our Pio boxes are listed in the video's description or - 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