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and biggest and hottest computer hardware right now no coming soon possibly no confirmed coming soon and tell what I'm sorry let's go yeah oh no Intel's 18 core I 9 78 79 80 x ee the Extreme Edition it is gonna be launching September 25th for a cool 2 grand $2,000 we already knew this Intel originally talked about this at the beginning of June they were like hey the new skylake X processors and they're like oh by the way all those really nice 12 14 16 and 18 core ones those aren't available just yet they're coming soon soon ended up being September 25th for the 18 core 636 thread I 979 ATX II as well as the 16 core 32 thread I 979 60 X that's gonna be 1700 bucks so 1700 bucks for the 16 core that $700 more than the thread Ripper 16 core by the way $1,400 for the 14 core 28 thread I 979 40 X those are September 25th but sooner than that on August 28th we'll be able to access the $1,200 12 core well this is 12 core 12 thread but that can't be right it's got to be 12 core 24 thread that's a tight bones and it's what yeah yeah 12 core 24 thread I 979 20 X August 28th so that's relatively soon that's in 20 days it's right next to the 1900 X Red River it is which is the 31st of August it is that's interesting you know we didn't do we didn't talk about our beer oh yeah real quick mention of the be arrogant bastard out for me Gallus trinkets about ballast point grapefruit sculpin delicious cheers Cheers thanks meters and all of you mm-hmm like these rubber coasters I got for the deaf they're nice they're very flimsy but yeah very sturdy that's good you gotta protect the nice the nice tabletop here is this the British this is the bridge I don't I don't know it was a no I have no idea what I bought I don't even know how this stuff got your type of wood is important yeah well I know you know all about wood now after your you got wood you've got wood video I do have more wood now than I had before get more wood than all of us come on seat lots of wood so yeah we saw this chart here that we saw kind of at the beginning at the beginning of June end of May beginning of June has now been filled out so before it only went up to 79 hundred a hundred x79 20 X 79 forty seventy nine sixty 79 80 12 14 16 and 18 cord and TD peas are also now up here so the 79 20 X the 12 Corps is the only one that is still hundred and forty watt TDP the rest 165 watt TDP coming in less than must read under the bread Ripper but based on our knowledge of the seventy nine hundred X and the temperatures it gets up to especially with just just a touch of overclocking I don't know I don't know if you overclock that TDP number goes out the window let's put it that way yeah PCI Express Lanes r44 for all of these CPUs so good that none of them are cut down for whatever reason then l3 cache is listed there as well you get it like ramps up by what like three three point no 2.75 Meg's per couple cores is how that it's still obvious base data yes and that's still 20 fewer PCIe lanes than third river yeah so I'm just saying yeah now the third Ripper for my understanding four of the piece no action never mind never mind oh whoa whoa whoa whoa I don't even know your right to say no whoa pump the brakes there buddy whatever you were about to say talking about that totally Brown let's talk about look at this though let's talk about this instead look at these turbo boost frequencies mmm so for the 79 80 XE the Extreme Edition because you know depending on how many cores are being used oh geez a turbo a frequency chart gets a lot longer so for if you're using up to 17 or 18 of the cores in the 79 80 XC three point four gigahertz is what it runs at and then 3.5 gigahertz for 13 14 15 and 16 3.9 gigahertz for 11 or 12 and so on and so forth so entire chart is there all these stories of are linked in the video's description if you guys want to check any of them out further does that mean if you're let's say you're running if you're utilizing 16 cores we'll only no no never mind never mind I answer my own question never mind it's good we're good we're gonna can working things out yeah all right moving along that's all we have to say about the sky like heck stuff but yeah September 25th and August 28th are your dates for those and next step we have coffee lake more Intel news Intel's 8th gen coffee Lake this is the successor to KB Lake this is still gonna be 40 nanometer CPUs yeah but they're going to be revealed until today announced the revelation of a reveal that will be happening in the future a revealing review the revelation of the reveal has been revealed sexy they're gonna be throwing shade on AMD because it's gonna happen during the Eclipse on the 21st because there's a there's an eclipse on the 21st all of you are probably aware of that because I don't know if you guys have been experiencing this but I have I've heard all about this eclipse they clips I feel like cuz aren't people already going crazy about like where where we're online like on Twitter I don't know it must be Twitter maybe that maybe that's it maybe it's just Twitter anyway though the Eclipse is on the 21st so so yeah they can have a live stream and they're going to reveal a lot more details we can presume about coffee lake more details will be revealed later in this show assuming that leaks are accurate because later in the show when we get some news segment we're going to talk about some leaked coffee Lake slides for now since this is hot and heavy hardware and I'm not I'm not really following the rules for hot and everywhere but I don't okay try that new fractal fantasy this is the defined C tempered glass series fractal design often reluctant to just jump on to the bandwagon for the latest trend but you know after you can see say for example the transformation that happens with something I could define our v when it is lovingly handcrafted and modded to add a tempered glass side panel window I mean that's not the type of thing that just goes by the wayside and people forget about yes anyway so fractal adolescent oh you're being serious or not talking about dependent oh right oh yeah I got you it's stupid the computer for the worst-looking computer I've ever seen shut up it's a good conceit please Pink Panther Pickett HP Pavilion over that garbage where's your computer anyways hotline is still at home it's the one system I haven't brought over yet because they still I still love it too much well anyway this is the define C tempered glass define CTG and define mini C tempered glass yay fractal and tempered glass yes so you got a full sized ATX as well as a micro ATX version of this case same case layout same internals all that good stuff but tempered glass eye panel window woo it looks like there's some sort of covering thing here that's on the tempered glass up just a clear piece the black borders a black border going around the edge next we have the inside and it looks looks pretty good there and say with the fractal design aesthetic already being very minimalist and again and all that MSRP of 90 and 95 dollars respectively for the mini and the standard tempered glass still very reasonable defined sub $100 price point for a mid Tower tempered glass case yeah support CPU air coolers up 272 millimeters graphics cards up to 350 millimeters and power supplies as long as either than 75 millimeters respect it seems really familiar Reese for me for some reason oh yeah like it just recently hey it's almost like we yeah let's uh let's move on though enough about that KB Lake X right everyone hates it everyone like nobody likes cable ax we just mentioned it and like root like because I just said KB Lake X there's a bunch more your sounds for your do now as a result I'm sorry we don't put keeping like X in the titles anymore yeah so obviously many factors should cater directly to KB like X fans there being so many of them out there video cards dot-com has this article here about KB Lake X only X 299 motherboards look at that right is because you guys probably know when you drop a KB Lake ex-mother keep it like CPU into an x-men and a motherboard you can only use half of the memory slots for example mm-hmm so to alleviate that pain you can buy one of these motherboards like the Auris X $2.99 or as gaming both MSI and gigabyte are introducing motherboards of this ilk are they cheaper theoretically unfortunately this is all the media cards article so you know grain of salt we're not positive that this is a thing but the pictures look pretty convincing if you ask me know pricing is listed however but yeah the gigabyte x2 9 and a Taurus gaming here's an ATX motherboards got four dimm slots rather than the traditional eight that you would get or two on each side with with the with an actual high-end desktop motherboard three PCIe slots couple em about two connectors you can only use an i7 77 40 X or 76 40 X in this the article says only like I would be curious like obviously you don't want to but like if you put you know right this is 1778 20k or somebody 20x in there or something would it boot up what did that right work I don't know I don't know maybe not I mean the article says no so yes that's all we know for now I don't know I feel like it Jim yeah it should still because there are still people who want an upgrade path and that was like but if you want an upgrade path to Buffalo's buy it by a fully capable extra man and a motherboard so any upgrade you can actually use quad-channel memory and everything like that yeah but what if you can't afford that type of mother bear we're gonna argue this further in a few minutes oh but like you have a dedicated segment on your half of the show that's baby yeah controversial talk to that Michelle MSI's version is called X 299 m - a pro it's micro ATX so I guess it makes a little bit more sense same config pretty much as far as their connectivity goes em about - and expansion slots except you lose the PCIe by one slots and again no pricing on either of these so all you guys who have been like man I've got my seven I've got my 77 40 X bought it right right when it was available just waiting for the right motherboard where I won't be too disappointed when I install it your day has arrived I've been waiting oh you're not quite yet your day is coming soon Oh Lord like you that's a good match EPE that's a good that's a good segue I like I'm here all week should have we should have musical segment singing segues to everything so yeah we're moving to the next segment savings so saying so could this segment is good say it ain't so usually stories of bad things or things that maybe seems like they would be one way but then it turns out it's really not that way at all nope also credit just full credit and a link in the description to level one text because I watched their new store news show Wendell and team over there what's it called level one Tech's the new show the show though is just called I think it's just level one news oh right that anyway but they posted there their video yesterday so I stole like most of these stories from that from them just just straight-up good good people to steal from though yeah I'm gonna steal information steal it from those guys yeah and there's a lot more terrible things that are going on in the world that you can learn about from their show so again link in the description mob let's start out with Verizon's new rewards program which also just so happens to track your browsing history so if you guys have any family members who aren't so tech-savvy and might have heard about this new program for from Verizon maybe give them a heads up about Verizon up that is the name of this new program that's a terrible name is called Verizon up terrible Verizon up the rides in a resident Oh Brad nook in the stream did my chances yeah yeah that's we're gonna get flag that's gonna get the content you're right you're a hot no or see much so OnPoint is so accurate taoism confused so fries enough well actually so the plan on its face seems kind of cool it Awards users of credit for every 300 dollars they spend on that Verizon bill and you can redeem that credit towards various rewards the device dollars used towards your next device purchase you can use for discounts on accessories or for partner awards so it seems like a very nice occasional thing to get for regularly paying your cell phone bill however you also have to enroll in Verizon selects a program that allows Verizon to track personal data and Lutie web browsing app usage device location service usage demographic info postal or email address and your interests so raisin selects does not sound nearly as good as a Verizon up I regret my new candy you can't even miss a song off of breath selects Verizon up there's a roll off the drum X all your data I think this ID is really dumb Verizon downloads it to our servers yeah that's pretty that's right with NSA yeah well yeah that's you're right it gets worse yeah because it's not just Verizon and for anything it's the data but not just Verizon they also are allowed to share it with with oath for monies which you may have heard about oath is the newly-formed combination of AOL and Yahoo put together it makes us both turns out it is it seems like there's gonna be a bunch of services that do data tracking and stuff like that that's what earth is turning into but yeah so it allows them to share the data with oath as well as vendors and partners who will work with Verizon so nobody signed up for Verizon up oh and by the way if you already are part of Verizon smart rewards program you're already signed up for all this so you're already getting tracked and everything like that jaysus anyway next up on say it ain't so you guys have an echo have you tried to echo I have not but I've been interested in it you've been interested I keep I keep wanting to convince myself that I need it and I always go back to no I don't need this well I don't know maybe you can convince me one way or the other Paul I don't either and even less so after this now to be clear this this thing which is hackers hacking into an Amazon echo to convert it into a listening device while it also maintains all the same functionality that I had before so you don't know super stuff going wrong yeah it's only works on the 2015 and 2016 editions of echo okay not the newest 2017 edition so everyone update your echos give it a month it also requires actual physical access to the device hello that makes it seem a little bit less nefarious however if someone does have physical acts to the device and this was researched by M WR info security mobile they can compromise the Amazon echo to turn it into a covert listening device and again it still functions just like it did before so you have no idea that anything's wrong the attack involves physical access they remove a rubber base at the bottom of the echo to access 18 debug pads and directly boot into the firmware of the device via an external SD card it allows them to gain a root shell on the Linux operating system to install malware these info security company did a full examination of the process running on the device and the Associated scripts then they were they investigated how the audio media was being passed and buffered between the processes and the tools used to do so they then developed scripts that leverage tools embedded in the device to stream the microphone audio to a remote server without affecting functionality the raw data was then sampled via remote device and the decision could be made to just play it out of the speakers or save it as a WAV file sounds like something a super psychotic jealous boyfriend would do to his girlfriend because you would need personal access Jewish to the attacker boyfriend yeah jealous hacker boyfriend who doesn't trust his significant other and if I wasn't you obviously need personal FaceTime girl and I was dating and dude and I found out he was like a hardcore hacker I'd be able to have freaked me out a little bit oh yeah no no no I've seen Silicon Valley yeah I know that I know how that ends but yes so that obviously sucks and obviously this is one of those scenarios that when devices like the echo came out and you're like oh how cool you just talk to it you say things and it responds and answers your questions and it knows things about you and stuff like that it knows the first concern yeah and there's also potentially nefarious things that can be done with it so I mean obviously this is a case in point and an actual example of that happening but again newest 2017 edition apparently has some other protection around those acts that the pads that they're accessing to get into debug mode or whatever I think the echo is also like extra shady because it doesn't have like you don't connect the monitor to it it's all audio there's there's no way even if you were tech savvy like I don't know if like you could actually like look up a list of processes that were running or something like that maybe there was a way to do that for the echo but I just feel like it's maybe even harder to detect well there was a no visual aspect the article does include and the article is from help net security comm by the way but it does have a few risk mitigation things you can do if you have an echo and you're like holy crap my echo has this right like maybe there's somebody out there item number one destroy it immediately well you might not need to do that first off you can make use of the mute button so if you know you're not gonna be using it or off-hours or something like that mute it and then it's not listening anymore they also have an echo version that you that like you have to touch in order to turn it on which i think makes a lot more sense monitor for unusual activities you can do trace routes and that kind of thing to see where Internet network traffic is going and if there's network traffic going at times that where it shouldn't be where nothing else should be going on and then definitely purchase only directly from Amazon or trusted retailers because this is something where like hey I got a really good deal on my echo from some like shady ass company because oh yeah yeah like you're saying I the echo from trust yes only by the echo that's directly from Amazon are just retailer because yeah there's certainly been problems with compromised devices being sold or passed very certain when you go in the marketplace sellers and hoonigan places like Amazon that kind of thing you might buy from even yourself up to more risk yeah or I'm buying on eBay or something like that you're good if you're such a good deal bros like like hacker 35 0 like 69 69 latest rate from russia yeah he's got like at least just sixty percent approval even their packaging was open there's some wires sticking out the back seems to work alright moving on now we freaked that anyone who's using an echo everyone's just gone ahead and destroyed their destroy it alright so copy like CPUs right we talked about those a little bit or any of you guys possibly already using a skylake or kb lake cpu on the main stream platform with the z170 yearsI 270 chipset and the l I am 51 socket and thought yourself hmm these coffee like stuff sounds pretty interesting they might be doing hexa Coors on it maybe I want to upgrade you're probably not gonna be able to do that in fact too as rock as well as according to Gordon's contacts directly from Intel the new copy Lake CPU will not be compatible with z2 70 boards boo this original information came directly from asrock who was asked about it on Twitter Evan Jensen from at from asrock was asked will does e 270 supercarrier get support for the upcoming Intel Catholic CPUs as rx official Twitter account replied no copy Lake CPU is not compatible with 200 series motherboards so Jamis that sucks for anyone who was considering that as a potential upgrade path it also sucks considering Intel has been suffering from a pretty constant slew of negative press recently due to some of their decisions and the fact that there's competition now and people have choices and that kind of thing so I'm sure this isn't gonna sit well with a lot of people because it also goes back to some like historical criticisms of Intel like that on their mainstream platform they've had really bad situations in the past or they've introduced a new platform and then a like a year later like well right before Sandy Bridge was um no um no no no the mainstream it was LGA 1156 I want to say anyway the the the generation right before before Sandy Bridge was like a 1 year generation processor and I'm sure Gulf town I'd have to look up the history right it was in my head at one point but anyway point being that kind of sucks for anyone who was looking for an upgrade path and especially anyone who was like hey cuz I like I could see someone who invested in z170 when it first launched being Linfield Lynn Lynn field that might be ya Linfield's Westmere Wes Peter spoon I think it's Westmere brent killa i think you're right in absolutes west me anyway it sucks for anyone who was looking forward to hexa Coors and hoping not to have to buy a new motherboard yaps their system at least with any muscle so does that mean is there confirmation on if coffee legs gonna use the same socket no I mean but that's not a that hasn't been confirmed yet as far as we know apart outside of rumors the socket size and everything looks exactly the same it might even be the exact same ping count I'm not sure if they're gonna put anything physically into the socket to block putting one cpu type or another if they're gonna slightly change the layout or the keying of the CPU itself socket 1150 - well I'm just - just because you baby maybe something like that Thanks intel socket 1150 - because we love money yeah that's possible - crap z 370 is the anticipated name of the chipset for the copy link compatible CPUs when they come up and it says yeah although coffee Lake is based on the same 40 nanometer processes cable they can scale a can appears to use the same chipset it's believed to be Intel's first six core chip and a mainstream platform so this is a reason I mean if you want to look at it from Intel's point of view then take the brief a second - trying to do that this is a reason why there might be an actual reason for them to not be compatible so it's totally possible the Intel may have never planned for Z 272 support the power requirements of copulate or a six core processor and if this is as a lot of people have you know claimed and pointed out a reaction to AMD's launches and a lot of the stuff that i'm done it AMD has done in the market you know in 2017 then yeah you could easily go back as far as z170 and even z2 70 and say they didn't really intend this for something like what they're doing with coffee leak or you could just say Intel sucks and they hate customers and go that route to it I'm wondering how much more negative press they like Intel really needs to to be bashed with before they start changing their the same business model that they've kind of run with for the last five years or so because I mean and it could be like coffee Lakes been in the works right it's not like they just started it last week like they could have already been planning or coffee like to be on a completely separate socket or motherboard way before Rison even like took storm or whatever yeah so I mean so it's gonna take a while for for the response I feel like it's gonna take a while for Intel's true response to all the crazy that AMD has been doing this year because like coffee Lake and all those like the technologies that are coming out this year were probably forged way long ago you know they have a long road map usually yeah but that sounds interesting anyway you know sorry to disappoint anyone with that news if that's something you were actually looking forward to oh dang Anna just closed the link for manic story hold on one second anymore be anymore be a blue back Kyle's wife Heather is here and she has promised to bring us more beer during the show if we need it so that's pretty cool all right here is the next story which is the final story in the Satan's soft segments which is about our ex Vega this is another video cards calm story and Vega 64 apparently potentially might be really good for mining and that might be really bad news for anyone who might have potentially wanted to buy a Vega GPU this is the etherium mining benchmark which was actually run by tech spots so that this might have been Steve's benchmarks actually anyway so if they're your mining benchmarks are showing that the hash rates for a lot of the different GPUs out there going all the way up to 390 x10 XP 10 1080i hash rates in the 28 to 30 ish range is the top of the range right there Vega might have a hash rate of like 7200 mega hashes per card which is really high I mean even if it's in the 60 to 70 range that's pretty damn good so good news if you're a minor and especially if you have some kind of access to Vega but bad news for anyone who's hoping that Vega might be a card that you could just decide to buy once you have the money available or something like that it's looking like when Vega does become available at retail that they're probably gonna sell pretty quick so if you're thinking about getting Vega it's gonna be a good thing to pay close attention to launch dates when retailers might actually put stuff up for sale pre-sale even I mean we hate to recommend presale but in this markets with the way GPUs are going that might be something that you just need to do in order to reserve yourself one the Vega performance is said to be somewhere around that of a GTX 1080 and the pricing has come out for Vega 56 and Vega 64 at 400 bucks and 500 bucks and sort of in that range there's also the Vega packs that you can get the Radeon packs you can get I was gonna say I wonder how that's going to help people who are not just looking to upgrade their there GPU but like the core components with like a rice and CPU and XSV board definitely seems so like the thing that I thought that I didn't catch at the time was that the the monitor you get is like one monitor it's like that single one monitor one model which is very model that you can get Turner bucks on I thought it was 200 bucks off of any freesync monitor I'm Sam's hell yeah even even there's still a B okay yeah sure it's just that one monitor right and that's a $750 monitor right and you got a really low and summer viewers we're looking at that monitor right is AMD was talking about that at that events yeah and new eggs price had gone up for it nine hundred and fifty dollars right $200 the exact same amount of each case I have not followed up on Atticus hey wait but still 100 bucks off of horizon CPU motherboard combo is that I mean that's good yeah so if you're getting all that at the same time then yeah that that's definitely something that's possible what worries me is that it's select rise in seven CPUs and so if they are only granting that that voucher for like the 1700 X or the 1800 X basically like the CPUs that I've advised people against buying because they're not the best value that would does it apply to the 17 yeah I don't know I don't know I don't know it'll be it'll be interesting to see how they how they cut it up and stuff okay well anyway that's all for that segment my face in the in the screen see how there's a light oh yeah the Sun is setting in of a bitch like the California sunset here that you guys get to experience as reflected on Kyle's face the blinds are closed but there's just one little crack that's just blaring into my face I need to get one of those roller like the same roller curtain that I had it at my old place sorry you don't like the sunlight well I don't mind the sunlight but it's distracting from the viewers there's like strip of wow cows and I was brown in that one section spaces make me rethink just who he is this person we're moving on to Dodger the next segments here which is going to be sword fight where Cal and I argue about something we're gonna have a quick argument here and I've just posted a straw poll link into the videos and now into chat it's in the video description too if you're watching this in the future you can still vote right no one goes and looks at it in the future though so is your vote will be futile and no one will see what happens however Street ultimately in the grand scheme of things you'll feel better about yourself so um here's a question we're going to talk about we already mentioned these Cabul eight X only X amount and and motherboards so I just wanted to get you guys feedback on it great idea or the greatest idea I may have a few options to your great idea greatest idea or third option for people who so we're so worried we can't go with the third option I'm guessing right because no no we gotta choose one of the other of the first two yeah okay I'm gonna say great idea solid but I'm not gonna put my head up Intel's ass on this Paul because you know what would even make it the greatest idea ever just throw it away she'll money dude the greatest idea ever would be if they had just put KB like X on Z to 70 in the first place instead of dumbing watering down in X to 99 motherboard so that it's basically a Z to 70 board for z2 70 price and saying look at what we did for you guys we made it more convenient and sensible because we up we realize that and all the backlash like they clearly Intel clear this is one of those after thoughts like Intel didn't think that they had to do this right up front again I'm still arguing for a great idea so still solid idea but it could be greater Intel was like oh there's a lot of uh they had to put out a fire they had to put out a huge freaking fire with KP like X and X to 99 and realized yet we should have just put this on our mainstream platform in the first place because users the other day aren't getting a high end desktop experience maybe they're getting the upgrade path but at the same time they're not getting the additional PCIe lanes they're not getting more you know expansion or storage options as they would with a true xx $2.99 chip for example so I think it's a you know the it's it's a money game it's a money game that Intel has been playing for a long time because they haven't really had much competition until this year and now they're starting to sweat a little bit and they're starting to cater a little bit more to the the end user but really just to cover up their tracks because they've already been found out and on so much by the community and them no I love Intel I love Intel I love them but bad move bad bad it's just a bad year it's just a bad year for Intel but you know what we have bad years we have bad months bad weeks it's ok until it's gonna be alright it's gonna be ok and eventually you know one day I'll make a terrible parody about what AMD is doing and and on Amy's head but for now it's you you know Cal I've had a bad last three minutes cuz I've had to sit here and listen to that god-awful tripe spill out of your mouth you know to defend your position in saying that this was not the greatest idea the best idea ever that's been conceived of in the possible length of human history since consciousness was achieved preacher Paul preached by our people testify now if you're Intel right obviously you're sitting on the Lord pile of money and you're like what do we need to even bother doing anything anymore for we've made all the processors people have them they can do what they want with them the people right but no intel is generous they're kind they're loyal and they provide people with options and that is the essence of what the greatest idea ever is actually all about is providing people with choice you don't want people to have a choice Kyle is that what you're saying yeah yeah and your choice in your assessment of this as only the a great idea and that the greatest idea yeah no I think that is wrong I think that is false Camie like X only motherboards are obviously filling a niche in the marketplace that has long been void providing attention to a segment of customers that have been neglected living in the shadows and now their time has come yes I'm talking to you KB like X fan yeah your your time has come rise up like a fan like that but and power I'm running out of steam here all right you get my point let's see what people think right you've lost so much team your Haven would be disappointed boom that's pretty good results from Herald week it's okay it's okay man it's okay I guess followed by the greatest idea ever it's true but but look at that oh I win technically I win but you know what all those people who voted it's okay I guess it's only because you didn't have an option that said this is the worst this is very good we make response usually we get a lot more votes than this I think yes yeah the people didn't didn't want to vote for any of these options well it's still what 500 E's are the only choices that could possibly could possibly come up with when it comes to an idea like KP like X on a motherboard stuff obviously all right let's close off my half of the show with some some good old standardized to tech news in your faces mm-hmm early GUI and all that so we are we've already talked about coffee like a decent amount on this and coffee lake slides have leaked this was actually posted yesterday this is a techspot article and these slides presumably are from an insult presentation they certainly look fairly legit I'm trying to make them bigger so you guys can actually see them but the source is from a Chinese website called PC Eva PC Eva Eva does not like EVA Air yet that that would be any relation of interesting so coffee like as has already been expected as featuring hexa core CPUs six core processors on the mainstream lineup 24 PCIe lanes although that is via the chipset which is essentially I believe that's what the same thing you get with Z 270 right yeah that's a broken-off four lanes yeah that's the same thing it was easy 270 so it's broken off four lanes directly from the troops which the CPU VP you search then goes into the end of the chipset the DMI whatever the version of DMI they're on Jimmy hey um Kavya I guess maybe the first series to be a part of these 370 chipsets and then potentially following up with a cannon like refresh so even though these CPUs are coming up fairly quickly when you compare it when you consider that skylake only came out at the beginning of 2017 you can see here and the desktop product roadmap 2017 and then 2018 the sky like X and KB leaked X filling in the top line of the high-end desktop segment KB like s right now being replaced by coffee like s soon but then potential you by the end of q1 2018 which isn't that far off coffee lightweight that's also copied I guess if you can in like PCH more SKUs from copula guess maybe a troll or I feel like any team I guess and then on the end Series process this so yeah six and four core fruit for q3 and q4 six and four core and then it goes six four there's gonna be a refresh box cannon lake I thought oh yeah so coffee lake so this is can like PCH the cannon leaked the chipset and that's strange I don't know I don't have it here but that exactly it's confusing confused okay who's confuse 'old point is the chipsets show copy that guess extending too many year 2018 and then yeah we might see cannon Lake CPUs on these in 2018 who knows at what point that might happen that chart seems to indicate something some pretty somewhere pretty close to the beginning big beginning of 2018 which might be like a CES timeframe often they try to line these up with larger trade shows that kind of thing but the chipset that as it launches is gonna have support for some cool stuff like six PCIe gen3 I'm sorry PCIe I'm gonna talk about six PCIe that's supposed to be a say you see USB I'm sorry USB Oh PCIe three reason that's like what is that that makes no sense six USB 3.1 gen2 ports I would have a total of ten at USB 3.1 over all available ports but when coffee lake s comes out so maybe there'll be a refresh of z3z 370 motherboards this is where it gets very confusing coffee like s refresh is gonna support USB 3.1 gen2 because you all know USB 3.1 gen2 gen one is way better than USB 3.1 gen2 gen zero yes yes USB 3.2 gen one is the new that's really good 20 megabits per second Jenny gigabits per second whereas gen USB 3.0 sucks now cuz it's only 10 gigabits per second I believe that's correct wait so you're saying were you saying USB 3.1 gen2 Gen 2 or Gen 1 were you using to Jen's in one thing no point two oh three points two point one and three point two ah-ha-ha-ha-ha to say 3.2 gen weather get mixed around anyway yeah I was reading the note some gen one this USB the naming has gotten so confusing it's really an irritating yeah anyway also also Thunderbolt 3.0 with DisplayPort support for quad-core audio digital signal processing as well will be added in the Refresh but not necessarily available for this stuff from copulate coming out this year so I get confused was the USB 3 was USB 3.1 gen2 a thing where it was tends a USB 3.1 just is five gigabits per second right because it was like a glorified USB USB 3.1 gen2 was attending a bits per sec on it okay USB 3.0 jet and one is going to be twenty thousand twenty yeah yeah pretty sure that's correct okay I am assuming that I mean I sure hope that's correct okay couple more quick stories to talk about in the tech news am DS Vega is coming very soon and Asus is allegedly potentially possibly going to be doing a dual GPU version of it it's indeed so on something akin to this with Mars for Aries Aries Aries Mars there's is Nvidia oh yes yeah so this is the results of AMD giving Adam board partners the green lights take freedoms and design custom graphics cards based on Vega 10 GPUs which includes the Vega 10 XT which is the full fat 64 competing at a chip as well as the Vega 10 XL which is a smaller 56 compute unit chip that's going to be used on the Radeon Vega 56 now asus has done done this in the past they have an aries series of graphics parents actually I wanted to pull up some images of those hold on hold on I'm gonna do a google image search there's a little fan it's a little looking fan for the big ass car this water-cooled well I know yeah yeah but it still this is very this is aces as Ares 2 and this was a very early water-cooled graphics card and they had to a Steck pump pump block combo units a very small fan in there and this was to Radeon HD 7970 GPUs in their massive power delivery configuration on it and everything like that so theoretically asus is now developing something like this something akin to this we don't know if it's gonna be called Ares 4 there was also an Ares 3 that launched with a two hour - r9 290 s in the same card and that was water block a completely water cooled card that was the actual circuit board for it but - r9 290x is on it but you know again these are limited edition graphics cards that Asus makes they're very special so usually that numbered and that kind of thing so potentially in Ares 4 and the works with twofold Vega 10 XT GPUs the 64 compete unit versions would have over 50 teraflops of floating-point 16 compute power 25 teraflops of FP 32 nearing 600 watts of power draw on the limited edition the TP of the vega the RX vega 64 is - 95 watts and air-cooled version and 350 watts in the water-cooled version so combining those together with two GPUs depending on clock speeds and that kind of thing you're looking at something in the 600 possibly even more than that range as far as power draw and CVP required probably a limited edition card and ya know I mean there's no pictures or anything like that of it yet so not sure if they're gonna go with the full water-cooled option like what the ek block like they did before or do something that's like like the areas to where it's includes a an all-in-one radiator and everything like that so it'd be a little bit I mean it'd be cooler but it would be more limiting if it was just a water block version that's true because you'd have to buy a bunch of other for it yeah III would like to see it as something like the residual areas to where the r9 295x2 or something like that alright one last story here to mention real quick there was a bit of a kerfuffle online about not to of fans and Noctua fans that are sourced from multiple locations there's fans from Noctua that come from Taiwan there's also fans from back to it that come from mainland China and the accusation was that they're different so wait so same model of fan but um two different actor gotcha and there is a reddit post where there was some very specific things pointed out as far as differences between the two fans so gamers Nexus Steven company got ahold of a decent number of these fans source different locations they did some side by side comparisons and the article as well as the video are both linked in the description because they did some testing they actually have it this like series of testing lined up and they only went part way through it because ultimately what they decided was the same spoiler alert well yeah functionally they're the same you can see here manufactured in China the one on the left and manufactured in Taiwan is the one on the right and there's actually some difference in the coloration because they different dyes and that kind of thing from different parts of the world mm-hmm however when it comes to actual functionality it does appear that the Chinese sourced fans from mainland China do perform just as equally as well as the ones from Taiwan it's a good job Jim demons Nexus Jamie's Nexus series next good job gamers Nexus now your gamers with their with their thorough testing and everything another another excellent article by them check 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like Duke Nukem face and hear what he says doing guys just a nameless asshole he's pretty bad he's pretty bad uh uh I guess you see doom guys face in the older dooms right but you don't really see him yeah you do man the face is in the middle and as you get hurt he gets more bloody right so I guess we kind of know any looks we know what 8-bit we know what he looks like in a bit back world El Jefe reviewers buenos nachos nachos should not just some great way no it's no good nachos indeed as the translation should I pair my 7,700 came with the gtx 1070 or wait and see what RX vega is all about certainly seems like you should wait at this point they get d6 I think if your your eyeball on gtx 1070 right now vega 56 based on the price points would probably be more or less comparable and in terms of performance i secretly didn't get it speaking giving get one and also and also vega 56 would save you money on a free sink panel that is a very true over a g-sync equivalents and considering a variable refresh rate monitor then andy is definitely worth that if you can buy a card at MSRP and that's yeah that's just the ab a you have to put in every time is the right yeah that'd be a good option for you Holt Hamlet what five dollars I need a motherboard for a 2,300 2,300 what is that like it like a Sandy Bridge 2300 like an i3 is that a Sandy Bridge chip yeah 2500 KS oh oh right right there was an i3 Cori 2300 you might have a difficult time you need to find a piece 67 or a z77 motherboard you can get away with the age 67 it's a core i5 actually that's an i-5 yeah yeah yeah motherboards motherboards seem to be the more difficult thing to find as things get older yeah but for mainstream you might have a slightly more easier time but yeah yeah I mean you look into eBay and you're looking at a very limited number of stock as far as what's available so I wish you the best of luck he's that quad-core alright alright thank you very much garand 5 bucks is there any reason for coffee like not being compatible as e70 other than to force me to buy a new motherboard at this point we don't really know but I mean we'll try to get more info from from Intel or yeah hopefully they'll give more explanation but I mean this help you looks the same like the actual we don't know I mean outside it's rumors and stuff at this point so we're not really sure I mean the what Intel will probably say and we probably never know absolutely for sure if it's true or not is that you know it's a 6 core you know there's some power requirements or some thing with the socket design or something that needed to be different for for the 6 core and that's why we had to change and it'll be up to you whether you believe them or not yeah but yeah it could also easily be were a big company and we realize that forcing people to buy new motherboards means that we make more money and so that's why we did it that's probably why I don't know seems less cynical yours yeah CCM what up Chris five dollars Paul are you planning on using stainless steel screws and motherboard standoffs if so I can get you a deal on them through my work okay I have a set of brass screws right and I bet brass standoffs right now that I got they're fairly ghetto bristly I'll try to hit you up because yeah that'd be nice I've that's what I've been thinking about is mounting stuff and various options for that and routing cables and I don't know it's I feel like I feel like there's a breakthrough moment that'll happen for me soon and then I'll be able to move on with it but you know it's it's I'm putting a lot of thought into it I guess Mike dude dudes five dollars would you trust or use a publication to help you choose your parts for your PC build like maximum PC or boutiques like origin PC or if in DC I mean they put boots together if you're willing to pay the extra money for it boutique system builders build really nice systems and they're often backed by pretty good warranties and they often have I mean I can't speak for all the boutique builders but often they only become successful by having good service so if you need to call them about something you can so you do get something for your money there but you do have to pay extra as far as a publication to help choose parts I mean PC part picker does a great job with the compatibility filters and stuff that it has right there and less chance for a bunch of different parts from different retailers to find help you find a good price and then you mentioned maximum PC or like sites like maximum PC PC game or that kind of thing they'll often have like here's our recommend it's you know mid-range thousand dollar world yeah that kind of thing those are often really good starting off points so you can see right here's the list of parts that I know work together yeah I don't like the case they chose let me find something else yeah that's in the same price range those are often really good starting off points for that kind of thing yeah check your tile 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