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store so bye-bye immediately fire sale fire sale did it while it's hot only one only one fidget spinner left really no yes yes really well you should you should hey if a.m. you can do false marketing so can I all right yeah yeah that's what we're gonna dive into beep you um if you're watching us live again thanks for being here the first half is on my channel second half is gonna be on Kyle's channel you can find that link in the video description if you're watching in the future when it's not live anymore also if you happen to be donating to us and chat thank you very much for those donations we do appreciate it we're gonna try to get to those towards the end of each half of the show all right let's get into our first segment let's do it it is called oh joy oh joy is a segment where we talk about terrible things awful things usually there's no solution or everything or anything like that for this week's segment of oh joy I am focusing on Vega Oh AMD Vega it gonna be good it is it's been out for a little bit now it launched on the 14th and there's been there was like there was a lot of wait and see when it first launched and they're the and and now there's a bunch of questions about Vegas actual price and there's a lot of questions that reviewers have had as far as the the stock that's available now and what it's selling for not just at like your your your you know cut rate you're not cut rate but your your third-party marketplace sellers and Amazon like resellers and everything like that but actually being sold by like the likes of Newegg and stuff for these grossly inflated prices at least if you're comparing it to the price that AMD originally told stuff told us stuff would cost right at lunch so um I have a few things to talk about related to this I'm gonna try not to pull any punches here and be pretty straightforward about what we know that's going on and what you guys should be aware of and all that kind of stuff but let's start out with one of the things that people really worried about right from the get-go with Vega which is that what if all the cards get sold out to minors and AMD addressed this directly to reviewers they talked to us about it and they said the solution to this was the Radeon packs that they sell in bundles so you have to buy a bundle and miners won't buy that now we're gonna get to the packs where come we're gonna come back to that but let's start off by with this I'll bite my tongue for now this little thing that slips through this was just after last week's live stream actually yeah that AMD has actually launched a beta driver specifically tuned for cryptocurrency mining Wow directly after a new product launches something like Vega when there's lots of driver work going on you know there's a ton of work that goes up to the lot that goes on up to the launch and then afterwards aim deep I mean they touted it in some of the slides is like the AMD fine wine things like we worked on the drivers and you know there's a lot of a lot of times in the past there's a lot of historical precedent for Andy cards getting better performance over time with the help of driver updates which if the focus was completely on gaming with the graphics cards do you think the driver updates will be coming out say within one or two weeks after the card actually launches might not be focused on mining improvements but focused on gaming improvement but there it is and the apparently catering to minors to some degree now I did a Q&A video this past week where I discussed cryptocurrency mining and I tried to lay out there some of my feelings on the matter and I don't necessarily hate miners directly for doing what they're doing they're gonna try to make money however however they can that's people are gonna do that that's economics but when you see the company like AMD who is previously told you we want gamers to have our card and we make cards for gamers doing stuff that seems more geared towards the minors then it comes back to like well why did they tell us their contradictions why did they give us the statement they gave if they gave us in the first place if that's actually what's going on their actions speak louder than their words yes so this was a beta a crimson relived driver it was optimized for blockchain compute workloads this actually specifically addressed the problem of decreasing hash rate performance with a theory of mining as the dag file size increases as it does as the mining difficulty increases over time and that is a problem that affects Polaris and Vega specifically and legit reviews actually did a bit of testing on this so if you guys are miners and that kind of thing and it was naked I was Nate Dogg yeah Nathan did some testing in there because he's on top of the mining stuff and he did find that the drivers improved stuff a bit hash rate with aetherium went from about 32 to 34 which is a crazy or anything like that and certainly not the seventy to a hundred mega hash rate that was sort of rumored when Vega was still on the horizon and not not yet launched so on the plus side for gamers it's not as good at mining on the minus side it still works for mining and it's still a card that's available and it's still very difficult to get ahold of so as a result we're seeing a lot of pricing issues now when it comes to simply to the pricing issues and we actually reached out to AMD prior to last week's episode so we could try to get some direct information from them and they gave us some information but it's the impression I've gotten from other reviewers and stuff like that who have also been attempting to contact AMD to clarify this has been that they're kind of getting the same line the which is the official statement and so you know thank you Andy for making an official statement I've linked a gamer's nexus article this is again from close to a week ago where they talked to AMD got the statement from AMD which is specifically right here which is that Radeon RX Vega continues to exceed expectations and ease working closely with its partners to justice demand initial launch quantities included standalone radian rxt a go 64 at STP or suggested retail price of 400 $99 Radeon rx Vega 64 black packs with SCP $5.99 and radian rxt Vega 64 aqua packs for $6.99 we're working with our partners to restock all SKUs of Radeon Vega 64 including the standalone cards and gaming packs over the next few weeks should expect quantities of Vega to start arriving in the coming days now what they did not answer with that answer is the question of the price of the products that are available and if you're looking at this from like a legal standpoint as far as what they actually said legally is that their initial launch quantities had this price we're working to bring more cards to stock they are not specifically saying these new cards that come in will continue to be sold at this price right and that is where a lot of pretty much all of the the negative flak is coming at is as was revealed on foreign posts and everything over the past week we can have that's retailers were given rebates by Andy to be able to sell the cards at the introductory price of 500 bucks flat for Vega 64 and when they become available in another week that's about another week of Vegas 56 should be 400 bucks but after that does that just go away and if that's how they're actually pricing it it is extremely deceptive for reviewers who have reviewed stuff and in particularly difficult for I mean like not to be wham about it but like for us who make videos like our options are either to remove the video which is basically like saying hey that work that you did last week how about you not get paid for that which kind of sucks it's not entirely like that but it's kind of like that or likely that's like you can't go back like you came with a written article and just like update things or something like that you can make you comments you can update the description but it's very and it makes us look like ass hats it makes us look misinformed or even potentially deceptive ourselves because I'm sure that there are a lot of viewers who when they heard about this news and caught wind of it some of them probably thought that we were in on it that maybe we knew this information upfront that AMD told us that there would be sort of this bait-and-switch pricing scheme that you know that we already knew what was going on when in fact we had no idea we were just we were left in the dark just as much as any any other consumer but the implications there is that you know it looks bad on us it hurts our reputation or our credibility as reviewers or whatever you want to call us and we felt just as deceived I think as a lot of you guys especially when we're the ones who are kind of being looked up to to deliver the news deliver the truth and and sort of give our honest opinions about a product if we have the information jumbled up ourselves because it was deceptively given to us by the vendor then it it sort of makes our our conclusions the the conclusions that we make in the videos that we work so so hard to produce it makes those conclusions invalid and like kind of like Paul was saying like we don't really have the option to edit a YouTube video once it's been posted of course we could remove that video and then obviously you know there's there's there's negatives to that as well or or we like have to make like a part to like a follow-up video to our initial review and sort of retract a lot of the things that we said about our initial conclusion and that's that's kind of why I was glad because I sort of tested Vega not as best as I could have initially in my first review video and some people were complaining about it so I redid the the benchmarks with proper overclocking on both sides nvidia and AMD and that was fortunately after this whole pricing debacle started so i was able to address that in the second video and tell my viewers look if Vegas 56 for example is going for the launch price then this is the frames per dollar that you get and it's probably you know it's potentially a better buy or equal of a good buy as a gtx 1070 but if they're gonna dick you over and charge you a hundred bucks more for that after the initial stock is gone then you're looking at a much lower FPD and the payoff isn't as great so but you know it's it's it's stupid it's it's it's a dick move on on AMD's part they know what they're doing but for whatever reason no one in the board meeting when they were deciding all this stuff raised their hand and said don't you think this is kind of shady and this is easily something that any old average viewer or consumer can look at and be like this is super deceptive marketing and you AMD nobody seemed to speak up or at least if they did they were not listened to which is very unfortunate that that's how AMD marketing at least for this launch is being run it's it's very it's very disheartening that's why I can understand and I personally side with other reviewers who might who might be more vocal about this sort of thing than I am and maybe even boycott certain product launches from vendors who do this sort of thing so it's thick bro yeah not the good kind so yeah I know the good kind of thick this isn't it so they carry on exactly forget lost my train of thought there alright so I tweeted this earlier today no because it had actually went to Newegg to look at something else and I couldn't help but notice their daily deal was this Radeon Vegas 64 for 690 dollars listen is like a daily like look at this bargain there's a new egg flash deal no it's new it's it's like it's just their daily deals right is shipped from and stocked by new eggs so if you guys aren't familiar with the way marketplace vendors work with with a retailer like new egg or like Amazon there is the actual inventory that is owned and sold by the retailer in their own warehouses and then there is third-party sellers and there's various sort of in-betweens of doing that there's third-party sellers that have called virtual fulfillment where it's like you list their product and they buy it from you and then you go and say alright now send this off and then there's third-party sellers that are marketplace sellers which are a little bit some more separate the marketplace sellers go on and they list their products or whatever in Amazon has this and Newegg also has this so this is I it's often sort of challenging to look at something like Newegg listings and see prices that are way way over what they should be but no egg has a radio dial or the little button you can click that says show me new egg stock only which is a really smart thing to click because there's so much crap and garbage that's just vomited onto there by all these third-party marketplace sellers so don't care anything about like well I can just like spam it with like crap on this on the site to sell and eventually someone might click on it and buy it so the difference is when it shipped from and sold by Newegg it means it's new egg stock that was sold to them directly that they have and that they're selling to you and in in in the past historically when you're talking about a tier one retailer with someone like an Amazon or a new egg there are certain restrictions that can be placed on them in order to prevent selling products for more than what they're actually supposed to be sold for so a lot of what what AMD's statement was all about was like we can't control these prices we can't you know we can't tell them what to sell their product for we made a suggested retail price it's just a suggestion I also was sort of confused by the fact that they were using that term STP suggested eat a lace versus emma is a more commonly known MSRP and i have no idea if there's any legalities surrounding that when you say something has an MSRP or anything like that but just from my history working in e-commerce there's a very common thing called map pricing or just minima advertised price and that was something I would hear about all the time when I worked at new again I know it's something in the industry in general when something has minimum advertised price pricing you can't undercut it you can't sell it for more or I'm sorry at minimum there you can't sell it for more than what elmore for what than what it's supposed to be okay if it's a minimum price so that means it's the lowest it can go right that means it's low askew but okay it's still a something that can be used to compel retailers to sell products for the price that they should be is I mean point guy then I'm getting at here so it does become more challenging when you introduce stuff like marketplace vendors as well because marketplace vendors aren't always beholden to the same rules that the retailers are beholden to but it is disingenuous I feel like to be to say like people are just selling these for what they're selling them for and there's nothing we can do about it I think there is something that can be done for the retailers like Newegg and like Amazon and the ones that AMD works with directly they can't stop people from buying the stock and recent listing on it on eBay or something like that but that didn't exactly seem to jibe which with my understanding of the way online retail works especially if you think if you think about like if AMD did offer these retailers some sort of rebate which allowed them to sell the cards at a very attractive price at launch I feel like those rebates are that's still information that AMD should make transparent at least like that it should have been made transparent if that rebate was something that was altering what would be the standard price for the products yeah exactly yeah then people were treating it as something else if it was a special introductory price just for a few lucky first-time buyers then that's the way it should be phrased there are some solutions that I've seen floated around for like how could AMD maybe have done this better or differently solution one is just sell it for a higher price if they realized at a certain point that Vega performance wasn't where it was expected to be and they were also at least somewhat aware of the fact that coin mining is a thing and cryptocurrency mining is a thing then they should have just listed it for a higher price and sold it and you'd still be able to sell the cards that are selling right now because obviously they are selling to some degree at these higher prices and then you wouldn't have to deal with the customer flack and negative feedback from people who were pissed off that they were told one thing and then they're seeing another one especially in the case of temporary rebates the other suggestion is to just do it and Vidya did you remember Nvidia yeah the founders edition little more expensive had video came out with these in there like these are gonna be a hundred bucks more like the reference model is now a hundred bucks more than like what the actual MSRP is and of course we can get into a whole other argument about that and like the the gtx 1070 and what it was supposed to sell for like it was supposed to be less than some four hundred bucks like it's still difficult to find for that price but the main point is that there are ways around this that AMD probably could have sort of sort of explored a perhaps to have prevented the flack and the backlash that they're dealing with you know right now all right so let's really quickly take a look at some of these Radeon packs new I guess a landing page for them with Vega and the bigot cards themselves and all that good stuff and they scroll down you can see that packs themselves and when these were actually first pitched to us I felt like the description of them gave us the impression that they were gonna be more flexible pardon me because you know they're not basically if you want to get the most deal on your rise in pack you got to get the four item combo which includes specific SKUs yeah you're a hundred dollar discount on the the CPU and the motherboard and then what's supposed to be a two hundred dollar discount on the monitor monitor now you'll notice here on new egg that every single one of these Radeon packs is out of stock however and let me switch real quick just to double check this cuz I looked at it earlier and this was the case but I'm not sure if it still is I guess it's still there still there and I forget where your back button went to you know on the front still there on the front page still in stock with Lord so newegg.com front page daily deals climate changing it's the first one on the flip board - how dare that one stock under deals so if there was the flexibility as far as the cards that were that have gone in like this this card is obviously in stock right now and yet you can't buy it as part of one of these really unpacked combos because they are fixed product they're fixed combos with fixed items in them so that that you can't mix and match so the packs that were supposed to were seeing these packs that were supposed to deter the the cryptocurrency miners completely out of stock and the standalone cards that AMD feared miners would snatch up first is in stock goods that they're in stock okay at $190 more than the price that was supposed to highly inflated rate also note that every single one of these packs like the cheapest pack you can buy is $1,900 sorry well 1825 dollars well over be specific 1500 which is a little on the expensive Simon I get you're getting a monitor there you're getting a I mean you got that monitor right when they first explained this to I was like hey 200 bucks off of monitor that's a good deal what if it was 200 bucks off of like a range of monitors and like maybe a hundred bucks off of cheaper much cheaper monitor or 200 bucks off of the more expensive modern yet what what hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo out there who's spending two grand on high-end desktop parts is really gonna be okay with whatever specific bundles someone else has laid out for them if you want to be able to pick and choose yes for two grand I'm picking to every single part that works for me best I don't want to be limited to just one monitor or just you know one CPU or even like five CPUs like let me pick out every single thing and you know still give me a rebate for it yeah and I agree that I mean like if it had that kind of flexibility granted there's a lot there I mean I can understand explaining challenges there like working with different vendors like new AG to something to make this sort of thing work on their website so you can pick and choose things and then apply a discount or something like that that's challenging that's difficult but to be fair I mean this was clarified a little bit more early on and although we were sort of told that here's the monitor that you get with the pack but there might be other ones available I have not seen any other ones available and one final comments about this monitor and this was first pointed out to me or mentioned I believe by Brad sharkus at the actual events in LA for Vega and thread Ripper that we went to prior to launch he immediately pulled up the price of this monitor which is the Samsung CF 791 a 34 inch curved widescreen freesync monitor hold on volume lowered huh everyone's going crazy over audio all the sudden they just said it got super quiet out of nowhere how's that possible change we think we've literally just been sitting here that's nothing is here is your sound board dying telling you man I should be talking so people can hear if there's any different all right it's buzzing again but it did get lower stop the buzz lower its a beam of light it's the beam of light from the window what just now no oh gosh perfect it's just a it's just a mess of of chaos and chat right now it's very difficult to I see some people saying it's perfect I see other people saying their ears are bleeding and I believe their children have committed suicide oh boy what you're not liable alright hello it's static noise is up but also is volume volume is up again but more noise than before sounds good to me there is buzzing fake news it's not the AC and AC is not on changing what but this one was working right I mean you didn't change it since then right no I wouldn't expect it to suddenly fail like a crappy USB cable not working yeah this USB cable suddenly going from working perfectly fine to like not I was this the USB port on the mixing board that's faulty that could be it to this I mean how often do USB cables fail really I'm not sure do you want me to try unplugging it and plugging it back in you want to give them or you can just mute the mic for a split second mute the mic and xsplit okay unplug and replug things back in and then you can go back guys we're gonna try to unplug and replug back in so I'm gonna mute the mic so hopefully you guys don't go dad you hello yes I want you three how's it now I knew guys hear me Frank the frame rate drop for a second I believe that was xsplit doing something in the background 3 FPS yes your believe kinda loud still background noise rip yay good my ears that's fun can you get me a beer background noise any any beers fine I can hear good still bad perfect good enough noise it's fine most people say it's fine 7 out of 10 it is such a crazy mashup of various responses it's very difficult to determine what exactly see what are we in right now ok I wonder is there anything like small that's vibrating near the system any of the - how did maybe it's time for a new sampler potentially yeah I mean I don't think it's something that we're gonna fix it get perfect like here while we're lives yeah probably just press on what someone just said what did he do it slow again what quiet again I guess so yeah how about now guys is that any better somebody said leave it yeah I think we're okay okay let's go ahead oh sorry if it's not perfect guys but best we can do right now live if it's not hanging there if it's not we can just keep talking and we'll just be talking to ourselves and that's fine yep all right so the point I was trying to make a few moments ago that the Samsung nine seven nine one series monitor which is currently part of this deal to get a couple hundred bucks off of was had actually dropped down in price a decent amount compared to original pricing like this is 908 hundred bucks and good around June and July and particularly from in the middle of July it had gotten down to as low as $700 oh I'm sorry seven hundred and twenty dollars was the lowest price but 750 and now let's back up to about nine hundred and fifty dollars so that was one of the things that kind of bounced back as part of the issues with with that so anyway let's move on I think we've covered that enough there's one last thing for oh joy Verizon's good unlimited plan is not three bad unlimited plans and basically if you have Verizon's a little bit of plan you can still use it but if you're signing up for new you are now limited to three options go unlimited which starts at seventy-five bucks for a single line beyond unlimited which is 85 bucks for the first line and then business unlimited you do have to sign up for a paper free billing an auto-pay to enable that otherwise you pay five bucks more a month but these new plans go into effect tomorrow on August 23rd and there are some pretty significant restrictions with them if you're used to unlimited the word being unlimited meaning unlimited it has significant limitations in particular you could experience reduced speeds due to network congestion at any time it's not the type of thing where you can use data to where you have a cap and then and and then and then you and then you get throttled it can happen at any time if the if the network is congested also your video streaming is very limited and that sucks so especially for the initial plan the go unlimited you can only do 480p DVD quality streaming on smartphones and HD or 720p video streaming on tablets and there's no way to watch in high resolution at all so there's just no way to get high resolution video streaming you can get slightly better resolution on your phone if you go to the beyond unlimited plan and then you do have some limitations on hotspots if you're on the standard plan your hotspots limited to 600 kilobits per second although the data is unlimited although at that speed like how you're really gonna use up all that data so yeah basically they're they're significant how was that basically they're significantly reducing the capabilities of their unlimited plans and they're still calling them a little bit of plans and there's a potential net neutrality issues in there as well but for now let's just move on next segment is going to be male time so let's quickly open up some packages that have shown up I have them right here first package male time is from from Jerry mmm and Bigler Bigler this is from Bigler big lad let's see what's going on here big leave this stick that that looks like alright yes I intercom dyou yeah you don't want beer Paul sure I could have another one yeah one for you okay he has his own his own logo alright so this is from Jason he's from Montana he said I'm trying to browse over this really quick he has a tuxedo flamingo shirt that he is sent over which is a flamingo in a tuxedo which seems very appropriate since we're gonna do pimp my pc on cows after the show I should put that on this is his brand tuxedo flamingo it's what he's been working on next he's he's at tuxedo flamingo on that Twitter if you want to follow him so wait so is that is it a tuxedo business or a flamingo business I'm not sure I would imagine those desolate you would dabble in both you'd probably want to have a wide range I'd be the perfect Manor yeah thank you so he included some pictures he created a tuxedo flamingo builds in NZXT amantha which also looks pretty sweet I can kind of show you guys but I'm imagining whoa it's played around with the fluid of it oh no wait these are different systems I think this might be an evolution over time or is this different systems yes I had read the entire letter I probably would do that but I am afraid that we're already running fitty late today so you have time for all that thank you so much for sending that shirt over yeah next up oh um actually we I should mention the mystery we have a mystery to solve right well you have a mystery yes okay we got a letter from a guy and he cents a picture that I believe is a printout that he wanted us to sign and he he basically wrote a really nice letter however the actual letter the return address label got peeled off somehow and or something like that I think it was a sticker one and it's not there yep so if you wrote this if you wrote this letter to us and you're watching the show we would like to sign this and send it back to you however we don't have your address so tweet to us with your name and what else you put in this envelope and we'll get in touch with you hopefully and be able to sign this and get it back to you yeah that's the mystery we need to hope it's all moving along Nathan from Oregon here we go or again hey I bet Nathan saw the Eclipse I imagine he might and had a good view of the clip that would that's something it's hard to miss if you're in that area indeed I realize during the clip eclipse that I completely forgot how to build one of those eclipse viewer things eclipse viewers Oh Nathan it looks like a sent a CPU so here we go what hey pong Cal nothing personal written so don't worry about reading this on stream if you'd like before I get too excited about the CPU it's completely dead Oh two dead CPU it's not a t5 board and oh he was overclocking it but and then it died I guess Oh chip is dead due to the motherboard he bought is the 87 M from gigabyte in January which Etta's a short that killed the CPU and the motherboard no I'm sorry to hear that so 46 70 K anyway so he has sent it over to us so he can add it to the dead CPU collection I have the board killed off two CPUs of his that really sucks geez 46 70 K was OEM he couldn't get a warranty replacement for it huge fan of all the contents have one question for you guys and maybe you can answer why are there no monitor mounted shotgun microphones for gaming monitor mounted shotgun microphones that's a great idea you should not have told us in the world about that and you should have brought it on Shark Tank yeah that's a good idea eight millions if there's any vendors watching maybe that's something they can consider this like the swing arms for the monitor mounts like for streaming those be popular look excuse me something specifically made to mint on your monitor to monitor could be pretty cool so this is and Nathan sets his dead 4670 Kay Thank You Nathan may it rest in peace Mandy it was a good CPU plate rendered some good frames alright um we did have another box that arrived down here but person asked to sit very specifically not to do any of it on screen so let's do it on screen it's never never an ad or wishes never put instructions along with your your pack of your care packages to us because we will not follow them we do not we're not the type of people to read the manual all right final package here for mealtime comes all the way from jolly old England England oh there's a smell to that Oh delicious I know yet another package what it is our friend Adrian so this is this is for me and my wife and I believe that means this one is for you yeah yeah boy for Kyle and Heather Thank You Adrian and this would be fudge yes I love you Adrian my life is now yo Adrian if Mark completes oh my god flavor did you get oh I got two flavors oh and a postcard go ahead of us today from - Kyle and Heather from exaggerations on all of your achievements thank you both for making me love you no wait laughs thank you both for making me laugh so much may the future be full of happiness MIT yeah and success for you both Adrian what a lovely little clothes part thank you so much Adrian we will continue he said bond Diane I think if it laughs the chats and for the Adrian I can't read your handwriting that something about moments with us and the dogs I hope you continue to love life at each other for very many decades to come we will thank you so much this is roly's fudge ah I got we got honeycomb here as well as you vanilla clotted cream I got honeycomb and the caulking delicious if you're ever in Exeter check it's not in Exeter it's it's in no it is an egg thanks for never saying it's an anchor so check it out if you're if you're from the UK oh all right that's all for mealtime let's finish off my half of the show with some news we're gonna start with this a little bit about Final Fantasy 15 I kind of vaguely started to play Final Fantasy 15 is your mouth dead its carrion I tried to get my wife to play Final Fantasy 15 she kind of fell off but maybe now that it's coming to PC I can get her back into it or something like that probably not but if you are an RPG fan a RPG fan I guess more specifically Japanese then perhaps you might be interested in Final Fantasy 15 it's coming to PC it's gonna support resolutions up to 8k which is pretty clear native 4k all the way up to a K the gameplay is basically the same so there's not really much change when it comes to that however they did vastly increase the resolution they have not listed minimum specs they've added a first-person mode as well so you can play in first-person mode and there's a pretty cool trailer and that you guys can check out via length article one of the I mean just functionally things that they've done is they've added Nvidia hair works and turf effects so there's grass and then like the these like the big moose things and whatever they you think they now have hair they had much more realistic hair so that's prepare for many performance videos you know detailing the yeah I don't know that I don't know if this might become something to use for benchmarking your necks potentially next up intel has well until his I don't know this is leaked or what but that's we're on tech power up and we have some pictures of the retail boxes for the 8th generation Intel Core i5 and i7 processors their boxes are getting uglier that that they're getting so much uglier embracing like the 80s vibe thing yeah right kind of a neon sort of retro throwback I guess no I'm not sure what's going on over there Intel fired all they're all they're all they're artists quit all the designers well that's I five what about the i7 that looks exactly the same except it's a little Pinker with sort of some warm oranges going in there as well it's still ugly I noted I noted in the comments somebody had inverted it it looks better like that is there like yeah that looks a lot it still doesn't look cool but it looks better I'd take the white one a little bit better they should have for a limited you know inverted edition so I feel like there's a slightly less enthusiastic reaction to these retail boxes than the third or four ones but I'd refer retail boxes I mean I I kind of see both sides when it comes to like getting excited about a retail box it's a little silly but they're dead Ripper that was there was some things inside it that made it slightly more interesting like you know you got a year of torques tool in there to mount it with and he get a bracket for a stick there was a couple extras in there whereas these I'm imagining at least if they're going to be case cues they're not even gonna have heatsink fans in them so it's just a CPU in a box yeah so yeah nothing to get too crazy excited about I would say but there is some information that can be gleaned from them these are four fourteen animated coffee Lakes CPUs that we've been talking about in the past few weeks and months as they've been rumored they're gonna have up to six cores they integrated graphics cores in the CPUs are now going to be branded branded Intel u HD graphics 6 X X series of 600 series so the fact that they're saying UHD could mean that they have hardware accelerated decoding of newer video formats for example such as 10 bit vp9 at 4k so that might have something to do with the integrated video decoder which has been a very functional part of Intel's mainstream see if you line up for quite some time since they started integrating that which was back in the Sandy Bridge right I think it might have an ivy bridge after anyway but yes that's kind of cool might also have compatibility with new display connectors such as HDMI 2.0 and DisplayPort 1.4 this is specifically talking about the I GPU capabilities so you know not quite as exciting for people who are going to be building a desktop system but if you're talking about something like the mobile the mobile mobile versions of these processors for which I believe Intel's like Intel had a thing yesterday during the during the Eclipse I think it was a bad idea I don't know I don't know if there's just personal experience or not I I know nothing about what they actually announced yesterday yeah I do I think it was mostly mobile processors stuff yeah but isn't even that much of it like usually like and when I'm looking up stuff to talk about on the show there's like whatever big news like you can find without looking too hard mm-hmm I didn't really see much about it but will be more to say much about you guys it's mobile but yeah it did say they will require motherboards based on the Intel 300 series chipset though even though their socket is still LGA 1151 and I believe we're gonna talk about that more on cows side of the show as far as compatibility with the coffee like CPUs I know not really oh we're not no I don't believe that yeah it appears that all the rumors horrible rumors are true and yes you will need a new motherboard for a coffee like processor yep the 8000 series 14 nanometers stuff from Intel alright couple of more quick stories to the over here one just a quick new product that launched today the Corsair avoid pro RGB wire lists this is the special edition ooh that PC perspective actually looked at this is in yellow so yellow accents you can also get it in a non special edition it's just kind of more of black and silver if that's not your thing now the Void series of headsets has been developed by Corsair for quite some time they expanded it with pro now they have void Pro Wireless RGB all integrated into this the review here from PC perspective I will briefly summarize although again of course this is all the stuff to talk about links in the description if you guys want to check out the whole thing but was pretty positive overall solid build quality very comfortable no plastic creaking even though there is a combination of plastic and metal that it's made out of its got 50 millimeter neodymium drivers and they compared it specifically to the Logitech G 433 they did say that the Logitech headset offered better clarity and a very balanced sound but that the Corsair vapor RGB had more warmth and a bit more bass so he said he liked the Logitech G 433 but it's a matter of preference if you like your sound a little darker more powerful then the signature of the Floyd Pro might be something that you prefer there were no complaints as far as I saw in the article as far as wireless connectivity and quality so that's just fine I believe it's a 2.4 gigahertz spectrum device and the mic they also mentioned specifically since mics are becoming a little bit more of something that you should be concerned about when it comes to a headset and they did they were complimentary of the mic it's unidirectional and noise cancelling and he said the noise cancelling was impressive but there's still a full mic quality to the sound that's pretty typical of gaming headsets you guys are probably familiar with that so it's not like a night and day suddenly you can replace your you know your your blue Yeti or something like that with it but what's that brace a good question usually I say that and I did not just caress it I think probably the quiet one 1:21 $129.99 I'm pretty pretty clear the special edition okay if you just want the standard is for one hundred hundred bucks hund on Amazon that's fair and it did get the coveted PC perspective Gold Award Oh all right one last item to talk about here and I don't have notes for this so it's gonna be really quickly but Samsung this is a hex s net article samsung has launched the world's largest cute LED gaming monitor it is 49 inches this one which is seems to be absolutely monstrous big moly I believe we talked about this on the show before when it was more rumored to now it's a little bit more of an actual thing yeah 32 by 9 aspect ratio its HDR it has a maximum refresh rate of 144 Hertz but it can also do 60 or 120 1800 our curvature 3840 by 1080 pixel resolution across the 49 inches and yeah that's it's a really large ash lord and wide monitor the thing about that though is like I wouldn't want to do anything else on it other than game yeah I wouldn't even want to like browse like I'd be annoyed with the extra space on the sides and I want to like turn my neck if you're like let's say you're using a to monitor set up for work or something like that you know you wouldn't prefer something like this and you don't have the bezel in the middle or anything or do you like the I like the bezel you like a separate like that partition that's one one area where I like ID to be like that sort of partition when there's two monitors but teach their own so I might think this is a godsend this does not appear to be going to the u.s. it says the Samsung chg 90 which is the model is available throughout Europe after games come because Gamescom is going on right now no pricing information however is available it's Austin it's gonna be expensive it's also kind of lame that it's 49 inches but still only 34 40 by 1080 yeah I feel like it would have been it wouldn't they would have sweeten the deal quite a bit they were they might have sold me if they increase the resolution till I give whatever standard whatever the 1440 yep equivalent is equivalent to 32 by 9 yeah yeah like 21 by 9 monitors that are 1080 vertical or give you miss you miss out on some of that resolution okay that pretty much wraps it up for my planned portions of the show we're gonna really quickly answer some questions that may have been asked with donations in the comments so we're gonna try to go through these quickly yep we've been getting tons of these and they're taking a pretty significant amount of time at the end of the show so I'll polish our apologies if we can't invest quite as much time at each one yeah but first off Tom's brim Smith's with 50 knock what's your thoughts on HDR for gaming and would you like try my beer from home country Latvia yes I would like to try your beer 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more with the GPUs and everything cuz they're different they're not really so there I mean granted there is a ton of gaming threader for motherboards and stuff yeah mother we're manufacturers do they focused on but it's really yeah Gaming is really not like you don't need thread Ripper two games can use it again but I mean that's interesting if like I feel like the packs are kind of they've lost a lot of their viability in general but you know people might be in into that if it was something they could set up easily I'd be interested to see if they were able to make any sales that way I guess Jessica Gifford $5 donation this must if just if this is actually a Jessica it might be another part of our issue of our female yeah hold them is it safe to run a i/o cooler 24/7 or is it better to use an air cooler plan on overclocking and r5 1600 X and an h4 40 or mesh if I see any cooler suggestions you can run it 24/7 yeah and they're intended to run until whenever like they just yeah you're not supposed to like turn them off or whatever like they're they should they should a good a Oh will last you at least at least that's warranty at least two or three years yeah a lot of them will run longer than that just when you're running an AI Oh long term just listen to it pay attention to the noise it makes if you notice it making a significantly different noise than it's made in the past for you maybe keep a closer eye on it and that your pump might be failing because of my experience they tend to give sort of a death rattle when they're on their way out you check your attempts - yeah temperatures keep an eye on those as well but yeah they're fine for 24/7 use Oh clarify season her in a aged 440 or mesh if I see any cooler suggestions like cooler as like for AIO coolers Corsair EVGA NZXT animax animax a lot of them are you know ASA tech om so yeah they're more or less the same just depends on what kind of unique features you want between each one some can be may be moderately quiet or moderately cooler than others but for the most part they all perform within a pretty close margin so Gareth blundell a-- gamers Nexus recent report on Vega 56 shows a hard limit of 300 Watts do you think a IV Perkins will increase this so I can push the overclock higher Gareth that's a very good question if that is a specific limitation that AMD has set because Vega 56 is based on the exact same GPU die as Vega 64 they might have done that to prevent a Vega 56 from suddenly being able to overtake a Vega 64 based on an unlimited overclocking capability so I think this is probably not something that we're gonna see opened up for for people because it's just they they're gonna cannibalize the market for their Vega 64 ring which they've already done a great job putting a damper on I guess already as we've discussed in this half of the show but yeah if that's the way that AMD has decided that they're going to segment that chip I don't see that suddenly being lifted for Adam board 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Deluxe x9 yeah Alexis all a choice selects two I would say go Kristi bucks to over the deluxe one I think it's got a little bit better options especially if you're talking about or a sink and RGB compatibility and everything there's the saber-tooth x99 yeah I like c4 two points yeah the the Strix I believe there's also an RG version that you might look into there as well yeah but either of those depending on whether you want a dark look or the black and white stuff the mainstream series has with the deluxe or the end not mainstream but just the looks alright Tony be 5 bucks hey guys I'm in the process of building my first stage keep my first PC looking at it Rison 560 hundred with a 1070 what be 350 motherboard would you recommend best bang for the buck I'm sure that there are many that that will get the job done no problem the one that I've had the most experience with is the Asus prime B 350 plus that seems to be a pretty solid board I've used it for a lot of testing in it the BIOS is really easy to use and it's pretty stable I've had good luck overclocking you know good luck with memory has frequent BIOS updates that sort of thing but again do your research I'm sure there's plenty of other be 350 motherboards out there that are good yeah I've used that one a decent amount too so that's a good option but I mean Asus MSI and gigabyte it's you know as rock as well I think they all have some good options in there so just take a look in that what looks best to you what matches with the rest of your stuff take a look at reviews and see what people are responding with and everything and finally Heather Hansen Heather Heather what why is your wife do is why piece up god damn house wife has donated five dollars here's my weekly donation because Paul is greater than Kyle love wifey sauce thank you Jesus Wow damn I feel loved well I'm happy to year anniversary I have to buy your wife a drink let me go to dinner beautiful wife thanks Heather all right Desiree with a $20 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that kind of thing yep sir backstab 10,000 W I've never seen that I come with 10,000 Big W listen up all hey guys doing a rise in 1700 X build with a gtx 1080i next month or just or two just waiting on my case and motherboard to release will y'all be doing a half 500 P and crosshair 6 0 extreme review later South Korea o South Korean War cool awesome that's pretty sweet um I will be doing a half 500 P build it's about 10 bucks which would be fun crosshair crosshair six hero extreme no plans right now but I'll keep my options open and yeah Congrats on your build hopefully it goes smoothly yeah I should have a half 500 coming in there they have the cosmos as well I told them no on the cosmos it's too big I I mean I like literally it's do I have yeah I'm totally with you now because I think it's a bad case of course cuz it's too big it's very big and it have room for it yep but my bits five dollars five bucks for your taco you thank you so much we gotta go we had some talk instead of its 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he's probably just remember I belong I did I opened the link set of orders alright Raven Ridge thank you for queueing that that's also the last comments donation today we can't come in so let's really quickly talk with our average because it has been spotted and confirmed as a curve through I grew of 3d articles it's this is I'm glad that worked out though so here's the rise in roll out the anal circle AMD has been pitching specifically for the this year 2017 as well as first half 2018 and you might notice that on the mobile side for consumer mobile we've got rise and listed here as well as mobile rise and Pro listed over here now desktop side we're expecting maybe potentially hoping that they're going to be doing an AP long APU launch over there as well it seems like they should because I've done the I believe Bristol Ridge ap use which are based on older architecture they don't have then in them but there it is anyway there's a couple database entries that have come up recently on copy bench and GFX bench that specifically list a couple AP use that have AMD Radeon Vega graphics an AMD rise in CPU cores there's two of them specifically the rise in five 2500 you that has Vega eight mobile mobile and then this one here the rise in 727 are you with Vega 10 mobile and its there's the other one right there so yeah it's got Zen zpu it's got a Vega graphics the Raven Ridge is probably gonna have a Zen CCX unit and a bigger graphics core with up to 12 next-gen compute units that would provide up to seven hundred and sixtieth stream processors obviously as shown here this might be a couple different versions of it and that would give you up to four CPU cores since it's got basically half of what exists in a full-size Verizon CPU and that's gonna have with SMT up to eight threads up to eight megabytes of l3 cache dual-channel ddr2 these specs that you're already familiar with with rise and CPUs integrated with an APU with Vega just sort of attached and worked in there the CPU communicates with the Vega GPU units the Infinity fabric the standard for communication between both in in internally in the CPUs themselves as well as communication across platforms between CPUs GPUs as well as memory and early pre-production samples have already been running up to three to three point three gigahertz so it would be interesting to see socketed a.m. for Raven Ridge rising plus Vega ap use a pair of pairing them up with like an inexpensive be 350 motherboard or something like that it could be a really cool entry level gaming option and you know we'll have to see what pricing is it's difficult to say what's power consumption is Vega has not Vega is actually a very efficient chip it's just it can't be efficient and also run at speeds that are competitive with Nvidia and so AMD had to run it at much much higher frequencies that are much less efficient like on if you look at the performance efficiency curve for Vega it's running way way towards the wrong end of its where it's not efficient at all which is why power consumption numbers and a lot of the testing has been very different if you underclock Vega to more reasonable frequencies it's actually really good at staying power efficient and all that kind of stuff so anyway that's is gonna do it for my half of the show oh thank you guys so much for watching Johnson's thumbs up button of course oh actually almost forgot Johnson Johnson's Viktor quickly some Jackie from picking up a bio slasher shirt and a CPU cooler shirts as well my friend and we've also get lunch from John John BIOS flasher shirt thank you John Oh John son to you my friend I have one Johnson a shout-out for Zack Thank You Zack he got the English pub glass so thank you so much for grabbing on Zack much obliged thank you guys for watching my half the show of course thumbs up button on the way out of here enjoy it and we'll be switching over to Cossack momentarily they link to his half is in the video's description so check that 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