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anything I mean my vision was completely masked I went to go pee I want to pee you heard the pump I heard the dog barking as they go what happened okay this is the best this is our best show ever yeah alright let's attempt to continue with the show as planned so usually the second half is a continuation of heck news and let me pull up my notes so I can have some vague idea of what I'm talking about as we go along here but our first bit of news is sort of a follow up to something we talked about on the show before which is this crazy obsession with super ultra wide monitors which is apparently continuing with the production of a 32 by 9 aspect ratio ultra wide VA panel which is being developed and is now available not just from Samsung because we've already talked about the Samsung version of this in a previous episode now Phillips has 149 inch 32 by an I know provide curved VA monitor there's a picture of it right there and this one's gonna be a little bit less expensive so that's kind of the the main thing but Phillips tends to cater I feel like towards a little bit more budget budget than the Samsung premium but this is the Philips 4 9 2 P 8 49 inch VA panel 38 40 by 1080 it's a resolution 32 by 9 x aspect ratio it is the same panel used in the about $1500 us ish samsung CH 90 which is a cute LED this one however should be a little bit less expensive the article says 899 euros is kind of what they expect the price to be which is the equivalent of a hundred I'm sorry 1075 US dollars or 810 British pounds this one's more aimed at the the professional market then say gamers so they do leave some stuff out to hit that lower price does not have quantum dot also might have less HDR compatibility as far as HDR standards less a lower maximum refresh rate so maybe they're harvesting panels that didn't it couldn't hit higher refresh rates that the Samsung panels are hitting no free sync to all these eyes compared to the Samsung model which is going to be again $1500 or so so for $400 less you still get wide viewing angles 178 degrees pretty good brightness six hundred candles per square meter and contrast ratio up to five thousand to one LED backlight 1800 1800 our curvature srgb color gamut and a trio of inputs d-sub hdmi and displayport d-sub very much indicating that it's geared towards professionals and people are in workplaces where you might actually need a D sub input which wouldn't know D sub would not be able to hit that resolution I feel like well you know I'd be curious what you'd be limited to if you actually use that ten but you got HDMI and DisplayPort so for that you're okay I got USB type-c input that splits into a couple USB 3.0 type-a connectors a little hub as well as a 1 gigabit ethernet Ethernet port which is odd to me is it just a pass through or is there's actually an Ethernet adapter built into the monitor hmm interesting curious anyway this should be available in q2 2018 so next year sometime wait so if it doesn't have free sync to does it at least have free sync maybe free sync 1 okay and that just not some of the benefits of free sync 2 and the other refresh rates that are supported and that kind of thing ok I'm not sure about that it might not have free sync at all yeah but as a professional monitor you know that when you and you wouldn't care about that right but if you're a gamer on a budget then maybe you would yeah okay here is a scandal that has prompted the FTC to crackdown on social media influencers you guys are probably somewhat familiar with the scandal in question which is Trevor T Martin Martin Ben Thomas syndicate Cassell there csgo lotto website and the skins that they were selling in the fact that they were advertising them to their viewers without disclosing that they were actually owners of the company selling the skins and the first place was pretty shady they got a huge they got in a lot of trouble over it culminating in the FTC actually settling charges against them this is the first time that the FTC has civil charges against individual social media influencers Wow and it also sets into a new precedent for social media influencers just to clarify Kyle and I are social media influencers know what what precedents we don't want to be we didn't try to be it just happens yeah but that's how we're labeled so potentially we are subject to some of are we being hunted I hope that it says yes it's open season on social media influencers now No so yeah basically influencers need to unambiguously disclose their connections to brands and companies that they happen to be promoting so there's a list here in the actual article such as clearly disclosed when you have a financial or family relationship with a brain that's if you're getting paid or like I recently did a video on monoprice sit-stand desks and my wife works for monoprice so I was very careful to say at the beginning the video by the way guys my wife works from on open right so that's why I said that don't assume followers know all your brand relationships ensure your sponsorship disclosure is hard to miss don't assume disclosure is built into social media platforms are sufficient so if I tweeted hey guys have this great collaboration going with this company and then I did a video about it but I didn't say anything about in the video I can't say well that's we did about it thanks that's okay you have to be very clear about that kind of thing you treat sponsored tags including tags and pictures like any other endorsement and a lot of this goes towards the Instagram side of this because Instagram is huge as far as the models and other Instagram influencers who have huge amounts of followers who do show products and that kind of thing without necessarily saying by the way they gave me five grand yeah on the side to like happen to be a good yep like if shimei if shimei had paid us for kyle of the blasts that the thing in his face right now we would have had to tell you yep but as it happens shimei just got that advertising for free of charge yeah and we paid it could have made so much money of that moment I know we should have monetized that terrible businessman anyway but we'll always tell you guys whether or not we are making money from the stupid stuff that we do so yeah don't use ambiguous disclosures like thanks hashtag collab hashtag SP hashtag SPE really really irritates me like that what didn't even know what that is hashtag is it's short for spun spun soared as tag SPO n which also is stupid or hashtag ambassadors no actually yeah that's all you need to do I've seen hashtag ad and I think hashtag ad people understand that yeah ad is an advertisement I think that's pretty unambiguous but other other things where you like you're not you're trying to like soften it and be like oh we're friends yeah yeah hashtag thanks is ridicu yeah on image only platforms like snapchat superimposed disclosures over the images i'm this is gonna be something for snapchat Instagram whores I mean a big issue for I mean we talked about the Kardashians a little bit on calset yeah half of the show yeah like if they can pay for something like they're gonna need to be there on the actual image right and that the tracks it makes sense from that type of advertising because they wanted to appear organic and like they just happen to like this yeah but anyway don't rely on disclosure is that people will see only if they click more as well so it needs to be above the fold the FTC has also contacted something like 21 unnamed Instagram influencers more specifically so we would assume these are high profile people with big follow follow follow follower pools yeah Fellowship's large followings yes okay follow orgies with orgies yes um so yeah I think this is an information I think this is okay I think this is what the FTC is supposed to do and I think when it comes to advertisements they should people should know they're being advertised to you shouldn't be tricked into having something advertised to you and I hope that we do a good job at telling you guys what's an ad and what's not we do I have kind of an example from this because I did a video recently on an lg tv that they sent me a review sample for yes and allow seams of dollars they pay a lot of people a lot of people in the cup but they paid me zero dollars Oh zero dollars dollars but people in the comments were like complaining that it was like this mister this is an ad and you should have said upfront that LG sponsored you for this video but they didn't really sponsor me for the video the sent me a review sample and I gave my honest two cents on it no disrespect to Jay but this is exactly what we I feel like a lot of us do for other tech parts too like a video cards for example video cards I never openly state oh I was sent this product for free to review but no one ever gives a about a video card but the second they see like a 4k TV or something like why don't you why were you up probably this cow why are you upfront like we handled that product exactly the same as every other PC DIY component we get in but yet no one bats an eye for that stuff so there's there's a fine line there but if LG did pay me for some sort of campaign fund or whatever and they like gave me 500 bucks or 1,000 bucks for anything for that video then it would have been made upfront either in the video verbally or it would have been within the first three lines of the description so you can immediately see it when you click on the video at any rate that's kind of how I feel like you and I pretty much run our channels more or less the same way we have sort of a similar mentality to that again every one is a little bit different some people color outside of the lines whatever syndicate Tom dude here with the csgo Lyle thing you know but it's good that FTC is taking is taking a role in all this because I feel like it's such a new sort of medium with social media and stuff that it needs to be regulated in some way so yeah I mean no and I would agree there as far as I mean I can say personally as far as advertisements go anytime I have a sponsorship it's for a short ad at the very beginning of the video and that's also in the very top line of the description and then beyond that when products are provided for a review that's also disclosed in the description as far as these products are provided by X company or Y company or that kind of thing but those aren't necessarily products that are provided as a sponsorship a sponsorship would be saying like hey you want to do a video on our product and you'd be like I don't know about that how about we pay you 2,000 bucks okay yeah maybe I'm interested now if you're doing a video that you wouldn't have otherwise done because you got paid money by a company to do a video on that product then that is a sponsored video exactly and that is where the thing timaeus between its closing as far as here's a product that was set for view here's money I was paid to feature something that I would not necessarily otherwise have featured right but that's a distinction that it's up to us to be as clear as possible about yeah and um hopefully us discussing it will help anyone who might not be sure how that's supposed to work should work yeah anyway we've been drinking so let's move on to stuff that's less less legally binding here's a quick story about Tesla's autopilot the pilot there was a fatal Model S crash that was actually last year this has already been discussed and talked about because this was one of the last year yes one of the few the freeway one yeah this was one of the few fatal Model S crashes but is this is actually of course having an impact on how autonomous vehicles operate going forward worse and especially how government plays a role in that because there's obviously some question as far as regulation and that kind of thing so specifically the National Transportation Safety Board met recently just to discuss this 2016 fatal Tesla Model S crash this actually occurred on May 7th 2016 on the US Highway 27 a near Williston Florida Joshua Brown was the driver of the vehicle and they said he was overly reliant on Tesla's autopilot function and interacted with the car only seven times in 37 minutes while traveling at 74 miles per hour the highway he was on is a four-lane highway with an eastbound and westbound line lanes separated only by a grass median so this is one of those distinctions that you wouldn't necessarily think about unless you were talking specifically about its auto pilots autonomous vehicles and how they work and how they might be able to work in some situations but not at others if you're on a split Highway that has an actual physical barrier between either side of the highway there's no possibility for any cross going out of the way so an auto a UI that's running an autopilot for an autonomous vehicle or a semi autonomous vehicle might be able to have more leeway in that situation then in this situation where there was only a grass median mm-hmm which allowed in this case the four-lane highway it was four-lane highway and a tractor-trailer made a left-hand turn across the path of the Tesla onto a side road the truck driver failed to yield to the oncoming car the Tesla at the trailer in its middle the clusion sheared the roof from the electric for the top of the Tesla as you can see pretty graphically and the image here it also continued another 300 feet down the road before slamming into utility pole and the driver died this was a 2015 model s using the original mobile I sourced hardware and running Tesla's firmware 7.1 the system works like a lot of another other adaptive cruise control lane that keeping software this is what is commonly are sort of known as level 2 semi autonomous driving side link to another article here mainly because it has a nice image that I can show you guys here so we've briefly discussed this before but just to refresh your memory in case you're not sure varying levels of up autonomy autonomy yes that would be the word autonomy when it comes to a driverless vehicle level zero of course is no autonomy at all level 1 would be longitudinal longitudinal or transverse guide so basically either it's doing lane corrections so like left to right motion and keeping you in your lane or something like a cruise control moderating your speed mm-hmm level 2 is both of those at the same time so you could potentially have both your hands and eyes off of the wheel your car would look at the lanes in front of you and correct the wheels to keep you in the lane and would also look at potential vehicles in front of you to keep you driving at the proper speed and this is actually what my wife's car has more or less yeah level two which is she has a super out back so it has a link and a link correction thing I know I don't let do the thing where it actually will keep you in the lane it just warns me if I'm strolling out of the lane and then it's got the adaptive cruise control which monitor is a car in front which is pretty nice right now the jump from level 2 to level 3 is what's be presenting sort of a challenge here and this is where where Tesla has provided some kind of more level 3 functionality which is what sort of maybe got this guy into the situation granted I mean there's some user error of course it should also be taken into account here but this is where you can have your hands off the wheel and your eyes don't need to be on the on the road but the level 3 the vehicle needs to be able to prompt you to take over if you need to okay and it needs to be able to do that on a moment's notice right so you can't necessarily be sitting in the backseat watching a movie or whatever must be instant you know you can be up in the front doing I don't know something on your smart front of that kind of thing right you still need to be aware and be able to take control the wheel on the pedal yeah at a moment's notice okay so there's a lot of questions right now going on about like a lot of the vehicles with level 3 outside of me that they're introducing have actual direct monitoring of you so it's looking at your face and seeing like oh is he dozing off right and also the question of how long it can go before you actually take some action right so for the driver of the of the Tesla for example and a limited action had like it has a torque meter on the actual steering wheel so it can tell if you adjusted this doing well or something like that so that's how it's is that what like Model S's are at Keuka there's level 3 or technically it's level 2 technically it's level 2 but what but but that what they're saying is that a lot of the level a lot of the Tesla autopilot functionality that they've introduced has made people treat it like level fantasy and and that's where there's maybe some questions of cost yeah of course they can update how the software works and how the autopilot works through over-the-air updates and that kind of thing which is useful but a lot of companies are actually skipping over level three entirely to level four which is hands-off mind off the driver and intervention no take of a request it's pretty much autonomous but we're not going to hit level four until more vehicles have the vehicle to vehicle communication communication implemented which yeah is actually a standard that's been around for quite some time and I believe it was introduced prior to 2010 mm-hmm but it's just something that's taking a little bit while a little while longer for vehicles to have introduced but probably something you're going to be seeing more and more of if you're buying a car is even if the car doesn't have the autopilot functionality and the you know level 3 or level 4 automatic driver functionality your car might still have that function to be like hey this is ready for the time in the future when the government says if your vehicle doesn't have vehicle to vehicle communication even if even if it's not autonomous at all your vehicle needs to be able to contact other autonomous vehicles that are on the road and so that they can navigate around you right and know what you're doing sure and that is going to be a thing yeah soon the 2020s is probably what we're looking at with with like all cars in general or with just testing specifically assume with all cars in general nice I can't I can't I don't want to speak anymore on that because I'm looked up enough to say definitively but yeah that's kind of what's coming eventually we won't need any driver at all yes venomous we'll just have the car go to Vegas and cover CES for us well that's then we'll have a robot we'll have the YouTube robot acts like us I guess and goes out and does all the coverage for us and a beacon that'll be awesome that'll be the day then the robot will come back and human okay we'll stop into bed with our wives and before buttering and then murder them stupid killer robots let's move on to a new segment yeah Eggman's on my half yeah that's right it's called phony news phony news yes it's news about phone about phones is it about like fake phones no phony phony phony phony phony related a phony definitely sounds better than phone yeah exactly I'm digging it Hey well there's intact Liam and you like it there's definitely been a lot of phone news I mean it is a day when you might think hey let's talk about let's talk about phones a little bit so uh so here goes let's start out all right Intel and Qualcomm have been doing a lot of work and a lot of focus on 5g promising a better customer experience this article here from telecom lead com specifically says that a recent 5g consumer survey conducted by Qualcomm revealed that 48% of respondents are likely to purchase a smartphone that supports 5g when available now a lot of that might just be for early adoption or just because people like to have compatibility with whatever the next new thing is but Intel's 5g mobile trial platform in specific is what they've actually been testing out since they are still working on the universal standards for or 5g it's not completely set in stone yet yeah but doing tests and providing proof of concepts is definitely a useful thing so they're developing 5g with evolving third-generation partner partnership projects 3gpp standards which you guys might be familiar with this will enable collaboration between carriers their ecosystems and the standards bodies that are creating the world of 5g now 5g as far as the actual band bandwidths the excuse me the spectrum bands that it operates within is actually going to operate on a variety of different spectrum bands because different spectrums are available or less available the you know they set aside different parts of the of the wireless spectrum for over-the-air TV broadcasts or what have you it's gonna operate in six different bands 600 to 900 megahertz so you point three to four point two gigahertz four point four 24.9 gigahertz five point one to five point nine Gertz and twenty-eight gigahertz and thirty-nine gogurts that's six at six different spectrum bands now in case you're wondering more specifically what this means to you Korea has kind of been on the forefront of this as far as actually deploying 5g so that people of 5g capable devices mostly cellphones of course can actually make use of it so Korea's LG U+ has demonstrated 5g the new radio standard at 28 gigahertz or that's the actual spectrum that they're operating on with a peak rate of 2.5 gigabits per second mm-hmm which is pretty fast sounds like a lot yes they tested this on the urban 5g millimeter wave networked in the same Sangam district of Seoul in Korea the 28 gigahertz cell tower produced a downlink rate of 2.5 gigabits per second at a 1 a distance of one kilometer from the actual cell tower and then they tested a single user scenario which is impractical because when you're talking about a cell tower and a crowded district you're gonna have lots of different devices actually connecting to it but as just a test case scenario they tested the single user communicating with the tower and hit a peak rate of eighteen point five gigabits per second which is pretty damn impressive I mean that's a hell of a lot faster than most people have on their home wired network if you're talking about just a basic gigabit connection you'd have to go to 10 gigabit or 40 gigabit to actually surpass that if you're wondering my South Korea is so on the forefront of 5g deployments it's because they've made a huge push to expand the rollout of 5g leading up to the 2018 Winter Olympics which are going to be held in Pyeongchang South Korea from Friday February 9th to Sunday February 25th 2018 I'm excited about that I like the Winter Olympics yeah me too I like the super Jeep I like winter the most really more than summer Winter Olympics yeah okay no no I dig them my wife really likes the figure skating which I don't mind I think you're shadings pretty epic it's it's pretty cool and the let's forget the mean that where they're doing the thing there's jerking off the the broomstick into them and the balls very phallic shuffle no no dang cool dang it no I know what you talked about really so that curling really thank girl in a chat yes reg reg Eric came up I literally refers to Chet yeah the earliest it's just intense its attention to once the careers competitions yeah baby gotta love it alright it said that inks in Korea 5g devices should be dominant by 2020 again fairly soon because they're rolling it out so quickly hopefully in the US and elsewhere will also have rollout of 5g as well but of course it needs to be fully standardized first and that is what ball command until are pushing towards Erin all right moving on with foam new folk pony news okay I need more beer by the way you do I got there's more abuse there's two more I think oh cool or you can click more that's beautiful I'll switch gears with some some dead guy how are you you're looking good can see about finish yourself you're looking healthy I know you had a bad experience with it yeah yeah alright Samsung is hoping to release a bendable galaxy note next year which is passing notes 8-bit video here so look at that hey I got a tip back wait okay wait wait and see alright wait why is that bendy that's the whole phone oh wait it's like to spur that's amazing Wow really wow that's that's what they're going for they're treating this like a beer commercial you have funny random hot chicks this is a 2014 commercial this commercial is already a couple years old and this isn't this is just a flexible LED display content video that they made but it's a good demonstration of how a flexible LED display could be implemented in a phone for something that perhaps could be the size of a notebook that you could use as a phone then a stand-up sort of environment such as this or if you had it open as he does at the beginning here it provides a much wider display that you can use for typing or watching video or meteor playback so it's no screen on the front instead you have two screens and this one has a so the bendy part is in the middle here but it can flatten out mm-hmm so that if there's no unless gap there something like something like that you'd like you'd have if you had a split screen screen sure or something like that so they're supposed to actually introduce a foldable phone in 2018 four years after they introduced this concept video of a foldable phone it's supposed to be released under their flagship Galaxy Note line they're still perfecting the technology of flexible o LED panels so it's probably why we haven't seen one before now but they do say that their edge curves le o le D phones like the Samsung Galaxy edge whatever ones that have that kind of kind of rolls off the side it's not flexible you don't can't move it but it is curved they'd say they've been very successful apparently Mutua which is a thing so um this is the first time that they've publicly spoken about plans to actually launch April foldable phone so potentially this could be the next big thing in 2018 flip thumbs are back everyone next's just not the way you remember them hey I mean if it flip phone works like this I think I think that would be kind of interesting flip phones get you that girl everyone's gonna be buying one and if the girl shoes she's like wow it's so big like Sybil it's like flexible like [Laughter] yeah one of the last phone thing the LGV 30 is it the perfect smartphone for vlogging perhaps yes if you read this Engadget article they might tell you yes this is mainly talking about how LG actually introduced the LG v 30 their newest v series phone at IFA last week they spent about 20 minutes of the 50 minute presentation talking about the phones dual camera system this is an actual video from a gadget or just a screen a clip show now it's got the wide-angle lens and you know maybe a suitable vlogging camera especially if you have some some kind of event for it or something like that I don't know I would have more to say about this that's it sorry like besides the wide-angle what else is there if I had that's what I was about to say if I had more time to review I would have gone into that it doesn't have a massive sensor or anything like that it's still a smaller sensor so it's not like it's gonna be suddenly replacing DSLRs or that kind of thing but they do have a more advanced camera app that allows you to do other things such as white balance switching between manual and autofocus as well as adjusting stuff pertinent stuff to photography such as ISO shutter speed and aperture I think phone like for a phone to be vlog friendly like these days if you're like a top-tier blogger or something it needs to have a front-facing 4k camera yeah just a rear and that's that's part of what it's talking about but that's what does that one yeah it does okay but that's also part of what has been a lot of to talk about the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 mm and the LGB 30 is potentially going to be a less expensive alternative to that okay so the sources in this article claim that the standard 64 gig model will retain will retail in South Korea for ninety nine hundred and forty nine thousand Korean Won which is about 883 US dollars which would be less expensive than the Galaxy Note 8 which is about 1 million 94,000 Korean Won are about nine hundred and sixty eight dollars so it's about not quite a hundred bucks cheaper if you're looking at the direct Korean conversions as far as the prices go however and the u.s. denote it goes for nine hundred and twenty nine dollars from the Samsung store if you buy it directly so the article says they're expecting the B 30 will be eight hundred to eight hundred fifty dollars so if it offers a comparable feature set to Samsung's phone then maybe it might be something that people might consider as a flagship from LG that provides you most of the functionality but I'm sure there are other cell phone reviewers who do a much better job than we do who will probably cover that in more depth nice that's all the phone news there is for today though that's a cool thing about every video leaf but the only interesting phone things pretty much everything in the area of smartphones cell phones in general that was discussed today or as important I don't know I don't know I feel like you covered everything actually all the big news that has to do with phones this week okay I feel like it was very very well it's good I'm glad I'm glad we were thorough in that regard breaker yeah beautiful people are still clipping this like it's been Clifton rousing cyclist at the clip as I said it's been clipped a thousand times and that was recording I know I would have been disappointed if that how how is it like life is so effed up that that is my biggest accomplishment I feel like that's my biggest accomplishment I mean you have to embrace the fails when they happen I think that's what that's the biggest is on front page of Reddit yes and goddamnit of all of this come on alright let's move on to a new segment another new segment a new segment has two new segments who people should be excited about that this new segment is very simply titled yes no yes no yes or no oh I like it so reflect we're gonna talk about some stories some stories yes other stories no okay it's pretty straight forward let's hear it so we're gonna start off here hold on hold on hold on so um start up with a back quick story from tech power up about colorful colorful is a Chinese brands they have been making graphics cards for quite a while and apparently now they are delving into motherboards I thought they did motherboards for at the time when Kyle and I were still working at new egg new egg was talking too colorful about bringing colorful products into the US and selling them via nuoc I don't know if that ever actually went through or not I'm not sure um I am not qualified to speak more on them but look at that motherboard do you think of that cow oh my god for mining yes so this is a motherboard yes a lot colorful has made which is obviously not adhering to any specification or standard that currently exists when it comes to ATX one all those six be ATX SSI CEP I mean for the video part yeah six pins are supplemental power for the video cards because each PCI Express connector here the shortest part of the connector is the power delivery and that's supposed to be able to provide 75 Watts right you can't just provide 75 Watts full to this many slots via the 24 24 pin inputs gotcha where is its way for pin we're here isn't it's been divided up into a dozen or so six pins that's what's happened you're right yeah they split it there is no 24 pin that's silly that's really so so do you need like three or four power supplies yeah how many splitters would you need for this and for the Supplemental CPU power you've only got a four pin right there of course yeah no need no need for any heatsink sign I have any of your power doesn't it is so dim slot right there - to the right of the CPU yeah what bizarre a single s Oh dim salon yeah that's all yeah I guess yeah how much memory that's that's a trip that is really weird all right so this is a 16 PCIe power inputs eight PCIe x16 slots this is the CDOT b250 a - BTC cuz add - BTS going to any motherboard and it means it's made for cryptocurrency mining can help plus v twenty four hundred and eighty five millimeters long one hundred and ninety five millimeters wide won't fit in any case that we the crew there's also one SATA port on it it's a single single sampling port Mike Wow god that quintessential cryptocurrency mining motherboard it's pretty epic so this is horrendous no basically no no no no colorful herbal gold I uh oh how can they possibly make this any shitty air alright so no we're gonna sell tons of these No oh how does this work though like can you have like where are you gonna just hook up like three or four power supplies like rule 16 P say e well a lot of crypto miners do that already because they have to provide power to like you know eight graphics cards in a situation right normally you wouldn't have to do that for so there's ways of doing that I don't know how power delivery and this is insane and here's a question or GPU is running for cryptocurrency mining I have no idea are they all running at a hundred percent GPU load or are they lower than that do you know what if no if you're mining are they at 100% load all the time now right no they don't require the full X out yeah well they require full power delivery they don't require full bandwidth as far as I see ie slot so that's why most most crypto rigs that you see will have you know like issues is coming out with one that has 18 connection PCIe by one you actions for your graphics cards right yeah but you don't you don't need the full bandwidth between the CPU and the graphics card that you do with it anyway so so no no no honey you'd you'd at least need for power supplies I would think for 16 plugs I heard lots of Spencer's right there here's a question are there any power supply manufacturers who are making power supplies tailored for mining with just like 16 6-pin PCI II plugs well that is one thing that has been that is one of the lesser talks about effects of the cryptocurrency mining craze is that not only are a lot of graphics cards becoming to have become very difficult to obtain like AMD cards and whatever but it's really really high wattage power supplies have suddenly become in vogue which hasn't really been a thing like most of the time for a gaming PC you don't need you know five to seven hundred Watts maybe eight hundred if we go in SLI eight or nine you know ish but suddenly people actually have use a really good efficiency 1214 1500 watt power supplies so right yes that is a thing but yeah I mean all you have with the with the with a 6 pin PCI connector is three grounds and three 12-volt leads so all you're doing is is buying a bunch of connections off of the 12 volt rail right so it just matters what you connect those to and whether you have multiple 12 volt rails and what the draw is across all those yeah so yeah you can effectively plug that in with a bunch of splitters but I guess I don't know I don't know what kind of effective whatever my first plane yeah let's switch to yes yes yes micro sensor okay Micro Center taking what I don't know may or may not be an effective move against warding miners from buying tons and tons of graphic graphics cards by basically playing or having a good time with their multiple order counts functionality for how many cards you buy at the same time so if you've seen sites like Micro Center before often they'll have bulk pricing available for different graphics cards here you can see the power color rx 580 red devil buy one there 350 bucks each by to the 350 bucks each by more than ten thousand dollars each so this is micro centers way of basically saying hey don't buy a crap ton of our graphics cards from us now bear in mind of course this isn't rx 580 and it's 350 bucks and yes that is overpriced by out of about a hundred bucks anyway sure so they are you know dipping into that a little bit but it is something it is something because look does he see someone walking out a micro Center with a shopping cart full of rx5 ATS or whatever you're like what what's I saw I saw I saw a reddit thread with a comment on it the other day and the person said the guy that they the guy they knew so this is anecdotal but he would buy a bunch of cards here and then he basically fly them to China and sell them in China and make four or five thousand dollar profit because in China the crypto mining thing is so insane and so popular maybe you can get free free access to electricity of that I feel most people these lands especially techies are gonna look at this as a challenge like oh you're gonna try to restrict me from buying more than two video cards I'm just gonna you know sit have and they use a different account and send the third and fourth and fifth graphics card to a different shipping address maybe a friend or family member and I'm gonna get around it so yeah I mean there's potentially ways to thwart this type of thing but even if it's just one of those sort of like for show kind of kind of things I guess I don't know it's a marketing thing any time you see something like that we're like well that would probably keep people from buying more than two of those that is thousands a bit like couldn't you just put a thousand no one's gonna do a thousand for an hour expected probably not I don't know it depends on the price of etherium at the moment all right let's move back to No let's move back to know from yes yeah I know here's the gamers Nexus article about encouraging GPU price-gouging gamers Nexus did an article on this as well as a video along with it about MD and about Timothy I originally saw this this tweet I saw this too from AMD gaming and this is where this is all sourced from AMD gaming probably had some kind of deal or setup something as far as an advertising deal Best Buy yeah to advertise this specific XFX rx 574 sale at Best Buy so AMD gaming is like a felony to give me a GP you grab this XFX play hard RX / I'm 74 best back from only $279 and get the quake champions pack breathe and a bunch of people are curling up on this and we're like are you freaking kidding me AMD gating gaming do you know how much a rx 570 is supposed to cost yeah like really so Steve made a video on this and and so just to be clear here this is the this is no super say no to definitely do things here I want to say no double no two things here double no one no two AMD for talking up the awesome price of this card which is clearly very overpriced yeah but a secondary no a secondary notice Steve I'm sorry Steve but I'm calling you out huge price gouging is a term that I feel is thrown around a little bit too loosely and as Steve titled the article as well as the video price gouging I'm gonna take issue here so what is the definition of price what does price gouging actually mean that price gouging is actually something that you can take legal action against depending on where you are on what state you are on that kind of thing it's a pejorative term referring to when a seller spikes the prices of goods services or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair okay and is considered exploitative okay potentially to an unethical extent okay yeah now here's the issue price gouging as a term is normally used for something that is absolutely necessary to live if you for example were a victim of one of the recent hurricanes Harvey or were recently and shadow tell you all in Florida stay strong I hope you guys are doing well and everyone who might happen to be willing to donate to Harvey or our maverick Irma people people are affected by those circuits we strongly encourage that donations to the Red Cross of course are great but price gouging I feel like it's thrown about around a little bit too often when it comes to something like a graphics card that you might be using to play video games with you don't need to play video games live let's be honest okay so price gouging is really only a term reserved for like essential assets and resources yes there's you know imprecise legal usage it is the name of a crime that applies in some jurisdictions of the United States during civil emergency see the dogs are upset too right now you guys you guys pissing them up in less precise usage less precise very very okay unless precisely go in less precise precise usage and by the way less precise usage is Wikipedia's way of saying wrong yes you know Wikipedia doesn't like to be too much of an asshole there publicly you know they're sure they rely on donations stuff like that as well intelligent it can refer to either prices obtained by practices inconsistent with a competitive free market which you couldn't Nestle you could apply to AMD's pricing for their graphics cards or windfall profits in the former Soviet Union it's simply included under the single definition of speculation so okay all I'm trying to say here is given give AMD crap for over price in their products give AMD crap for saying on the one hand we want to sell our products to gamers we you're all about gamers and everything and then on the other hand going and releasing a driver that's tailored to improve miners mining performance or them saying like yeah we want gamers to that stuff and saying like hey look at this great deal in this overpriced graphics card to the dude own place or whatever like that call them out on saying one thing and doing another right price gouging though I do feel like it's thrown around a little bit to willy-nilly okay and when it comes to actual actual price gouging that's the contrast they make not to be like well they're beating dicks whatever but actual price gouging is it's like keeping people away from the things they need to live and serve I have another day like that's what prayer that's what the term price gouging is all about right so this is this is where I would say if you're in a third world country and bread has now been you know taken over by Martin shkreli and he's making it five times the cost it's not supposed to say his name cut yeah I know I know so so so is there so here's here's my question is is there a more appropriate term or word or phrase to describe what we're feeling for this sort of situation besides price of price gouging AMD is not necessarily price-gouging but they are blank is there any alternative I mean like just overpriced simply yeah it's just over and over inflated or inflated pricing or that kind of thing yeah yeah yep baby yeah I don't know so I don't know Paul some people might might argue that gaming graphics cards are necessary for for a first survival I mean if you live off of cryptocurrency then they okay maybe then maybe then you have an argument for me if you are if you if you are a Bitcoin but if you are a baby you are a Bitcoin then then there is then we'll let it's like a verified price-gouging let's end on a high note let's say yes yes we have a yes here from Windows 10 Microsoft has actually addressed a stuttering problem with one of the recent updates so we would say we would initially say no because of no no creators updated March but as far back as March they wouldn't the creators update was first actually made available dance caused stuttering in specific games let's list your overwatch rocket League Mass Effect very popular games very widely played and definitely one of those maddening things like you build your own computer you get it all set up your playing and micro stutter healing what my crystal is causing that yeah yeah no reason for like it's maddening it's sporadic you like yeah did I do something wrong you know is it the software its price couch do I have do I have you know is fresh right yeah the price gouging that's causing the stuttering but Microsoft has addressed this directly they have they have said yes they know it happens and they are promising and fixed to ongoing game stuttering problems hopefully with the next creators update I guess I don't know fingers crossed everybody yeah fingers crossed but for anyone who has been experiencing this type of thing hopefully there is a fix on the way and hopefully often get that out very soon build 16 to 73 of the insiders program released on August 23rd contained a few feature updates including new fonts and mixed reality control server Microsoft has moved to the bug fixing portion of its development process in preparation for the fall creators update which is going to be deployed October 20 I'm sorry October 17th so just about a month from now a little over a month so hopefully if you're having stuttering problems maybe that will be the fix 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50 FPS with stutter on triple monitors it's cuz using triple monitor did you go from one monitor is that is that what the drop you're talking about 180 on one monitor and 50 on three cuz that makes sense it might be it might might have to do with your triple monitor usage multiple monitors like that and resolutions like that actually Rustom sometimes sometimes do not have as great of support on the software side specifically from iRacing I'm not familiar with iRacing and their support for multiple monitor this so I can't say that absolutely sure I'm familiar with that game yeah I I would maybe consider doing some testing just with a single monitor and see if you have that same kind of performance tip as far as the variance from the high frame rate down to the lowest frame rate and that might tell you whether or not your issue is more to do with the multi monitor issue or whether you actually have something else going on such as a problem with your with your CPU or software or something like that you know that you might be able to fix otherwise it might just be multi-monitor support and then if I'm assuming you're doing like a really a really wide aspect ratio I'd resolution and it might just be something like that combined with iRacing I would also consider looking up other people since I know iRacing tends to be that kind of game that has a community of followers see if you can find anyone else who has your same set up and what kind of performance they're getting because if if yeah if you can find someone else is like yeah this is what I'm using it it's awesome then you'd be like I I've got some going on that's specific to me right then yeah troubleshooting that can be a pain in the ass Manny Thank You Manny though missed xtube $5.00 Canadians re-emits and E 1980 X and GT x 1080 AMD has a 1950 X I've guessing is what you're saying it's an odd pair but the FPS was unexpected so I think what they're saying is Linus recently did a video where they tested a 1950 X with the GTX 1080 yes AMD's 1950 X is is based on rise in architecture and at the same frequencies you should get roughly the same performance out of a GTX 280 that you would with a standard like a rise in 1800 X or something like that so that's what I would compare it to I haven't watched that video with Linus specifically but you know testing is can be anecdotal um it depends it depends on the setup and everything it depends on how thorough they were with saying like oh here was a test we ran that seemed out of the ordinary so we did this and this and this to see if we can figure out what was causing that or whatever but again I haven't watch the video so I'm sorry I can't provide I'm will go to the bathroom okay really no problem I'll BRB Joo Picard $5 donation naari now you tell her no certainly sternly and thoroughly do your Picard five dollar donation you mentioned the an for socket will go to 2020 anything about how long tr4 will go tell if it's 20 28 1958 later drew I would agree anyone who I'm saying maybe consider in 1900 X is people who I'm saying consider a 1900 X if you're planning to upgrade later if all you ever need is 8 cores then it makes a lot more sense to go with the mainstream platform from AMD and a m4 with like a 370 X setup for something like that 2020 is I believe I I would need to correct myself on that I think I said that off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure that's what AMD said that's what they're going to support the aim for socket for there's no telling if they might come up with another platform at the same time is that or whatever but a lot of this has to do with their need to reinsure to reassure for instance like om this system integrators to be able to say look or companies that are building systems for use in like a workplace environment to say this hardware that you're investing in right now is going to have support and updates through a very significantly longer period of time or at least a defined period of time for like four plus four years three or four years so yeah there's a lot going on there but that's what we're expecting so I think if there is this end to next year from what they told us it should also be compatible with a m4 but yeah again we're not sure they might do a new chipset or something like that as possible it's just there's lots of there's lots of variables that go in there all right what's next five dollars from it's a $5 donation there's no name on it but it says hi Paul thank you for coming to my birthday celebration here's some cash for the beer Kyle shared with Kyle you're a dummy but I still love you so happy birthday to whoever that was I'm sorry the name isn't there but happy birthday and juice cheers to you I'll take a drink next up is Robert Davis with a $5 donation Kyle thank you for making me purchase an 80 20 20 Mike it sounds amazing amazing also when will the H 500 P be out soon I think they take 500 P I know I know it's soon relatively soon that was first I was first 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contents providing ads for people that are appropriate and being able to pay creators to make more content because that's kind of how their business model is supposed to work Kevin Guzman $5 donation is starting a LAN gaming center a viable business in America orga gamers already have decent systems consoles and good internet Kevin I would say no all right maybe depending on the community that you're a part of but I will say in my experience in the u.s. land gaming centers or just businesses where people go and there's a bunch of computers and they can go play games together I see those a lot lot less frequently than I feel like are like the internet cafes and stuff like that that you find in Asia there are a lot more frequent and a lot more common I still see them around I know there's one in Fullerton that I've seen before they're around but nowhere near where they used to be yeah so there was there's been a couple that I used to frequent when I was younger that are have closed down and have been replaced because there's just not as much of a demand for it yes no one's on 56k dial-up or I think you need you need to make sure that you have a regular clientele that can sustain your business so in some communities maybe that is something that you could put together yeah but it's really probably gonna be on a case-by-case basis so I'd say generally speaking in the US no but but but don't give up on that like check check with the community see if that's something that's desired crafty AK five dollar donation playing and after pretty sometime before your tool then your fingers are still working correctly all right so the after parties after the show we kind of like we enjoyed but we just shut them because it's like after doing all the drinking and everything it's like it's really tiring so there's a lot of energy to do the show believe I can't promise any further after parties as far as directly after the show after parties right but I do like live streaming and I do want to get back into that so I've been thinking about some possibilities for some like doing something where I live stream to twitch where I'm streaming like a specific rig or set up that I'm gaming on and then you can see the frame rate and everything like that and then I can take that twitch stream and then I cut it down to like some shorter parts and then float that to youtube or something would be cool is if like you and I did sort of a collab thing we can even include like J or whoever else where we each gamed or streamed on different pcs of different tiers like maybe I was mid range you were high end and J was like super high end or whatever for example and we just streamed like pub G together or something for like a couple hours and it'd be like the three of us playing a game together and we'd have like the framerate counter and stuff like you said you know maybe MSI Afterburner rivatuner statistics and stuff up on the UHD inside I think that'd be kind of cool yeah we should be she's I definitely we should organize something like that I definitely wanna I definitely want to game more and I feel like you that fact I was one a game and I'm like no I can't game I need to do I need to work on videos or whatever reason make gaming the work yeah I need to make more videos that involve me gaming so alright mines this patek $10 GPU free market prices are legit GPS are parallel processors and people will pay for they what they feel they can get out of it - happen to have fast cash my the 1950s they get bigger bigger put cheese kill big aces Zenith all right thank you very much for your comments and a donation say thanks and I would agree if people that make money mining with GPUs they'll buy those GPUs disagree with you at all Heather Hansen Kyle's wife donates five bucks to me you don't remember coming to my birthday lol not sure why my name didn't show up love wife he says oh that was her donation oh the donation with no name on it was from your wife there's a 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