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processor two way GTX 1080s and SLI a full custom water cooling loop with mostly EK stuff from the blocks and some bits power fittings super system cool lance quick disconnects on there it's like a really really nicely parted out system Samsung 960 pro 512 gig so yeah that's gonna kick off tomorrow I'm opposed to be up for that it's probably me in the afternoon sometime usually check that out moving on to news and let's start out with AMD's n to the N to use em - yes and we crap Zen itself the initial the first run of AMD's zen architecture which was has been used in Rison cores which is in rise ins processors starter for minis an epic Andy's said that basically their expectations for the performance of Zen were kind of bare minimum as far as what it hits like what they thought the architecture could do and what they actually put out was kind of a worst-case scenario and that's a weird way of phrasing it but it was just kind of a worst-case scenario and in terms of what frequency they thought they were gonna be able to hit expectation reality and the performance they were gonna be able to get out of it so there are clear areas for improvements according to this article from tech power up that AMD's engineers are aware of and were aware of even as they were taping out the first Zen based CPUs so there's features and improvements that were left on the chopping block probably due to time and budget constraints because eventually you got to cut things off and say look we need to bring this part product to market so stop designing it let's start making it these slides come from Spanish Website infra matica Seto and informatica Soto these are supposed to be theoretically directly from AMD but this is a rumor so bear that in mind the grain of salt could be fake could be made-up nonsense but they say if this is real this that AMD CPU roadmap says in 2019 we'll be seeing products based on the same - in 2018 they have listed pinnacle Ridge which is still going to be using the same summit ridge architecture so the existing Zin 1 architecture but will be a performance of uplift so maybe we're gonna see some new products based on Zen one in 2018 maybe it was higher clock speeds or something like that higher see you know maybe like maybe like an 1850 ex or something like that I can see AMD coming out with but that kind of thing but 2019 codename Matisse they're changing up their code name is too because you might also notice their desktop and notebook K AP use which are gonna be based on Raven Ridge starting next year are gonna be called Picasso also based on the rear energy architecture but also they're continuing the use of the am for socket so that is one nice thing that AMD promised pretty early on was that a m4 was gonna be a viable mainstream socket that they were bringing products to the market for through 2020 so I could see Zen to being kind of the second generation of parts that still work with that socket and then probably after 2020 is then to it probably you know if they do is then three after that would probably one needs a new socket and something replace it we have a nice though that Andy's not forcing their users to upgrade the chipset or motherboard for their new family of processors that certainly is a critique that could be leveled against their competition right now just and in particular so yeah Matisse's into there's also some rumors and also slide here about it being twelve nanometer potentially so they might be shrinking the process ever so slightly from 14 nanometer which would be interesting I'd be interested to see what kind of how like it doesn't seem like that much of a die shrink going from from 14 to to 12 or live that much of a process shrink I should say but it will be interesting to see like if that simplifies the transition at all but obviously if they're still using the same core architecture then it's not that much different but yeah there's no mention of increased threads so you might notice that from here this specifically talks about how many Xen threads are in it was then two cores they're not saying and up to 24 threads now or anything like that so no hints or indication from this that AMD is going to be increasing the core count on the mainstream but honestly with 8 and 16 right now that's seems about where they should be yeah you know since they've got the high end started for platform covering people who need twelve or more you know that sense sounds reasonable but there it is also they're changing their code names from ridges to art to painters summit ridge and events it seems a little bit more inspiring Matisse and Picasso very well-respected in their fields okay let's move on the next story is about Intel's eighth generation core coffee lake desktop processors now this was sort of an interesting developments just a couple days ago or I guess yeah yeah roughly 48 hours ago Intel had done a product demonstration or they did a call with people they have ebon are they had a webinar they had a deck of slides they told people about I waited in that did you participate in that all these slides and they're they're cropped in this we did the phone those I didn't see any of the slides I was just on the phone oh you do watch thing I was in the car when I I think an an tech might have cropped these or or something but all these said October 5th embargo lipstick well that was on there they probably changed it or something yeah so there's a bunch of information that was provided to reviewers about this about this launch coming up and I was all under embargo tisha Hollander embargo its October 5th but it was leaked someone somewhere and this I haven't I haven't figured out who exactly it was aware it was published or anything like that I'm sure somebody knows could have been anyone but I don't but it was leaked it went out so Intel was like alright it's out there it's like they instead of being like we're gonna pretend that doesn't exist for the next week and a half they're like all right they sent two supplemental email out to everyone said all right you guys can talk about this now so this is why there's a bunch of articles up about this I was working on the 79 80 XE video at the time so I didn't even see this until the articles went out which is kind of interesting but hey here is the 8th generation Core processors that they've talked about there's AI threes i 5s and i7 the i3s are not gonna be quad cores the United fives are now gonna be six cores and the I sevens are gonna be six cores with hyper-threading so that means there's no place anymore for quad cores with hyper-threading which would be kind of an interesting thing that they're under this mix but who knows like the i-5 like the flagship i-5 should have had in my opinion yeah just take again it's totally unlike anything until stone in the past it with it Rison now but an i-5 with hyper-threading then competes with your i7 without hyper-threading so then how do you price those so blower clock speed maybe perhaps lower TDP potentially but I don't know yeah that's how this is how Intel's decided to do it yeah and pricing is here as well to 8700 K 359 8700 303 8600 K to 57 8400 is 182 8350 K the quad-core 168 seems be in line with you to be like yeah it's it's it's in line with K be like it's it's a mini little bit more so you'll notice you'll notice like a $20.00 increase on the 8700 K compared to the 7700 K right you're getting more redstone you are getting more cores yes yes um the price jump I noticed that that stuck out the most to me was like oh you can get a quad core down here yeah listen I actually 8100 417 dollars that seems pretty reasonable to me it seems like allow for a hundred and seventeen dollars then I feel like I want to pay like 20 bucks more and get the unlocked overclockable version nope 168 yeah is a huge gap 168 if you want to overclock without sentimental jumps that is a twisty $1.00 jump from percentage-wise that's huge yeah that's like a third a third of the cost right there so that kind of sucks so you're probably better off front bang for the buck sticking with your 3.9 Gert side 370 100 down there yeah so that's gonna be a bargain chip yeah this is probably gonna be the the bang for the buck kind of performance comparison to do 46 for the rise in three processors um the 40 but the Pentium 45 60 that's doesn't dual-core right oh there's well there's we're gonna talk about that no dual cores potentially coming out on x2 98 I suppose dude oh yeah yeah but anyway so this just yet there's your initial layout this is what's coming out October 5th is the dates Intel stating 25% more frames per second and 45% better performance win mega tasking with the 8700 K this is a term that Intel made up what they're trying to talk about is doing multiple things at once streaming being wild gaming streaming recurring in gaming at the same time and encoding which is a very viable use case and something that they have been kind of getting smacked around with when you compare them to the like the six core and eight core isin options that are very price competitive with like the 77 out of K it's still multitasking though just call it multitasking it's mega tasking mega just so silly if you say well I'm very good Chesky god-wife gods like big attacks key gaming sports edition okay so yeah there are some price increases here if you compare them directly to the generation of regeneration last the 7000 series in the 8000 series however you are getting more coarse so it's up to you whether you think that's a price increase or whether they're just like hey it's only 20 bucks more first gym or course even the top-end i-5 though has jumped from two forty two dollars two hundred forty two dollars to 200 d7 it's a six percent price increase and Baron main bear in mind that the price is listed here are bulk prices so that's if you buy a thousand of these CPUs at the same time so you probably see slightly higher prices at retail expectation potentially for the 8700 k + 359 for the bulk price so probably 400 ish maybe maybe 380 who knows we'll see but you know what's interesting is that you know until even after Aizen came out still is sort of the champion when it comes to purely gaming performance but it always fell short when it came to the corn thread-count but now that we have 6 cores 12 threads and if we're still rocking the same or even greater at IPC that we saw with Katy Lake then maybe we have some fierce competition against rise and finally from Team Blue but it does seem like these are gonna be much more reasonable like performance comparisons with Rison right now because let's face it Intel didn't do much with seventh-generation stuff we're after rise and lunch they didn't really change pricing or anything like that so it's kind of like alright you can make this gaming argument for it but if you're looking at all rounds performance it's kind of getting smacked around by the Rises so we'll see how this all goes that kind of makes you a little bit salty because since this launch comes just eight months after Katy like like you kind of know that Intel had the ability to create and release a six core CPU pretty much at any time probably like years ago and they just kept holding out because there was really no competition from AMD side but now that rise ins here in 2017 they're feeling the heat of bed so now there Morton yeah there's more pressure on them to release higher core count CPU stacks yes actually that was one of the I missed this little bit in my notes but I wanted to point it out as I believe Ryan Forman antic it was this article by Ryan Ryan to this article yes Ryan Freeman in tech Ryan and Brett from an antic pointed out 2006 was when Intel first which quad core with the court to extremes and 706 Intel's like quad cores guys 11 years they've been milking that pad for 11 years okay granted they've had six six core prior to prior to now but they've always ended on the intent on the enthusiast platform that's at a significant higher price so yeah it's nice to see this coming out all right speaking of nice to see this coming up we have of course leaked potentially not correct information but you know you guys look at it and judge for yourselves an early review that was posted on video cards calm this was actually from XP review.com with a preview X preview I saw a video somewhere sunders X preview yeah so that's a Chinese language site so that's linked in this this in this article but yeah there's a 7700 K and 8700 K side-by-side as comment should I said his half of the show they're physically the same when it comes to the socket so you can slot one into the other socket but they're not compatible with each other's motherboards 7700 K you gotta use 200 series motherboard or 100 series motherboard with 87 or K you need a 300 series motherboard with most likely AZ 370 if you want to overclock it here are the actual performance numbers as theoretically posted by X preview or exp review what do you expert you experience I like exp for experience actually experienced reviews all right anyway they have numbers here and the benchmarks are being run the 77 or k 8700 k and 7800 x which is a six core enthusiast platform processor everything running at 4.5 gigahertz so they equalize the frequency across all of them further down there is also benchmarks with the CPU is running at clock speeds but basically like I kind of ran down these and if you look at the 8700 K column versus the 7800 X column they're very very similar you get some slight edges by the 8700 K from time to time so like 3d Martin Meyer strikes the scores a little bit better physics core a little bit better but I mean it's it's it's like a few percentage points right and going down the line kind of kind of similar here we hear you get some better gaming performance witcher 3 getting definitely a nice bump so when it comes to the productivity and synthetics you're seeing really some similar numbers with the 8700 k in these 1770 800 x when it comes to synthetics the only real difference was incise off sandra which actually showed better performance by the 7800 x so that might have been a memory issued memory thing you do have quad-channel memory available on the 70 so that's potentially part of it but there you go according to these benchmarks basically what you're getting is a CPU that's got the gaming chops of a 7700 K probably even a little bit more so since you've got all those cores and the the CPU were going to compute performance the productivity performance of like a 7800 X it's pretty cute it's pretty nice so definitely seems like there's a lot of potential here of course it's really gonna boil down to what you can get out of that what you can get out of Rison options at the same price repairing the two but interesting make some interesting reviews yeah because this is unlike any other mainstream CPU family that Intel's launched in the past indeed all right speaking of Intel launching CPUs they just launched the 79 80 X II they did yesterday morning at 12:01 a.m. Pacific Standard Time 18 core bastard we have the 18 core and they're bauer god bless him do baddest loading do bad our DeBerg god bless him has been deleting intel's processors for quite some time now because they're using more they're using not the best thermal interface material and in fact these are fairly an inferior thermal interface material on Kyle's half of the show we talked about the gamers Nexus article which pointed out very specifically to Intel that like hey guys if you invested a few more bucks on the manufacturing side of this you can get significantly better performance they were seeing 10 degrees plus Celsius drop-off which led to better better turbo-boost frequencies and whatnot with the 7800 XE 79 80 XE I'm sorry so do Bauer um basically deleted his because he's got a kit for it now actually I'm kind of want to hit him up about that and he then overclocked it to 6.1 gigahertz yeah that was AA course it was using ln2 for cooling he used thermal paste on the entire CPU let me see if I can jump to the point in the video where it shows that this is the interesting thing about like he goop goop tit everywhere beyond yeah yeah died so not just on the die but also on the PCB surrounding it and everything just to get the maximum amount of thermal transfer between everything that's under that die and what he's got going on above it so that is pretty crazy and there's another shot of it so oh he actually went in and cut out that was my idea I told him that I'm gonna claim credit for that alright I'm taking credit for this literally this is my idea to cut out no I told him to cut out the IHS I'm sure he could have easily thought of this himself but he so we had this discussion at Computex rant incoming I'm not ranting okay because no I'm like if this really like I'll talk to him about Alaska but if this really did originate with me I'll be kind of proud of it but he's talking about the difficulty of D letting these high court count processors from in cell because the dies are way bigger and there's a lot less space a lot less gap between where the heat spreader makes contact with the PCB and where there's important stuff on there like capacitors or the dye itself so he was saying you know he's got to get a device on there that clamps down that has another device that gets just on the heat spreader that shifts it to the side in order to break the contact between the IHS and the PCB beneath it and he's just saying it's really challenging because when you shift it like that the chances that you're gonna hit something and break it and kill your processor just become a lot higher so I was like thought at the time it's like what if you took something like a dremel or you know it's like a cutting tool and just cut around where you know the dye is on the heat spreader then you could get a something cut out there so where you could maybe lift just that and you wouldn't have to worry about the thing around it and I'm just saying that looks like exactly what he did here again it may or may not have been Paul inspired but um but doesn't who's deleting tools around a point that like fix all that no his deleting tool does not do this no I mean but any like to actually like cuz why would you cut it out just to take this I believe this was his customization very specifically for maximum overclocking because he's trying to get to put himself in a situation where you can clamp the cooler down on there but also put a massive amount of thermal paste on there you need I'm about honestly I could totally be wrong about that so I said yeah there we go anyway trabajar has video about this but what he just did there cutting out the middle part is that essentially the same effect the end the same angle as deleting on as you're revealing the die honestly I feel bad that I have not watched the entire video in its entirety to get more info about that this might also have been something that he did when he was trying to figure out how to properly deal it it in the safest manner so I'm not sure about that I can't I can't say for sure but they anyway de perak deleted it he then over clocked at six point one gigahertz the power delivery are the power requirements for 79 80 XE and they 79 60 X go pretty crazy at stock speeds they're actually really efficient that's what I found in my testing because I only tested at stock hmm but that's Intel kind of finding the sweet spot I feel like for these processors as soon as you start cranking things up it starts to draw a ton of power and starts to put out a lot of heat which is why of course the d-lighting processor is very important with Cinebench r15 and the i9 79 80 XE de Brouwer overclocked it's to 5.6 gigahertz and scored 5635 compare that to his 1950 X maximum overclock which got to 5.4 gigahertz and scored 4514 so people in China are saying that he cut out the IHS so that he could cool the die directly with Yellin to so he did do that specifically it's actively cool it yeah but still have the IHS there to properly mount those I would guess it I mean old-school D letting you would you would mount a cooler directly to the die but that's very dangerous because applying pressure right there if it's uneven can can easily crack it or damage it so I'm guessing that was to provide some stability around for them whatever cool eat look or the pots for his L and to pot to go on there I guess but anyway yeah the videos like the description guys so no more than s and watch it or watch it and then you'll know more than s I guess anyway at five point five gigahertz he was blowing 70 amps through the 12 volt rail so the CPU by itself was drying 840 watts which is insane and that's what the 1.45 volt V core which is high for this platform but not insane or anything like that at five point eight and six gigahertz he was drawing a thousand watts just for the CPU which is also pretty crazy and then because he used to Bower and he's a crazy overclocker he added a Titan XP GPU LM told the GPU to cooled the GPU as well and set single card 3d mark records forty five thousand seven hundred and five and thirty mark eleven thirty five thousand seven hundred and eighty two in 3d mark fire strike and one hundred and one hundred and twenty thousand four hundred twenty five and 3dmark Vantage correct so uh good work your Bower I need a man keep it up move it up all right the 73 60 X a dual-core CPU 4x 299 or so video cards comm would have you believe why why why it makes no sense very clearly listed in this description there's videos articles title is was why it makes why it could make sense Paul so Intel has received nothing but flak and negative feedback for their decision to include the 74 what if I have a me like X the kami like X processor it's the court I banish the the numbers from my mind so why in god's name would they decide to launch a dual-core on this platform this is a high-end platform this is X 299 motherboards this is like you've got to spend 250 bucks minimum for just a motherboard on this platform and that motherboard will probably be equipped to handle quad channel memory which can't do with this the KB like X C if you use only Abdul channel so you lose half that Bank of memory you also lose access to a bunch of other stuff as far as connectivity on the motherboard because you're limited in PCI Express lanes to slot you only get 16 so expansion there is just severely truncated so in an environment where you have a mainstream platform with motherboards that are much cheaper that have way less features for installing a CPU like this why would you further push your already hated KB like X line up down to the i3 73 60 X maybe there are certain like applications that require no that's all the i/o like like like quad channel memory and and m dot 2 storage but don't really require a ton of CPU power I mean that's I can't think of any application of the time I had that need them but that's the only reason I can think of of why this chip exists it could anyone in chat name something where you don't need much CPU power and you don't need many cores or threads but you need a lot of i/o I I can't I can't even count even so the 73 60 X would be a successor to the 73 50 K Intel's mainstream dual-core overclockable unlocked CPU with hyper-threading which was an interesting chip when it launched but it was grossly overpriced at like a hundred and eighty or a hundred and ninety dollars so never made any sense and was a terrible seller as well from my understanding why would they make another one if you had an even worse platform it's 100 megahertz faster so it's a hundred megahertz faster than the 73 50k turbos up to four point three gigahertz the TDP jumps to 112 watts so almost double the TDP 77356 T watt TDP this one would be a hundred and twelve watts and according to the original poster which this information originally came from Baidu also from China he said the I 370 360 X is one point two five percent faster the 73 50k Wow and the price is around 1699 yuan which is 220 US dollars Lent which is like wow when you can when you can buy a six core rise in CPU for less than 200 anyway this makes no sense and the article doesn't say bidding I would assume based on KB like X specs for the 74 40 X or whatever and so whatever the hell those CPUs are that it has 16 PCIe lanes and dual channel ddr3 my assumption that's my assumption that it's not listening pca Elaine's ddr4 isn't listed in the article that's just if the CPU exists if they're actually gonna launch it I can't imagine having anything other than that maybe less than that must make it even crappier but they yeah stupid product Intel I don't like it PC world has an article from Brad sharkus about AMD phasing out the crossfire brands so multi-gpu has been one of those things that's been I don't know getting more and more limited lately if that three-way and four-way configurations were your thing Nvidia has already stated that they're only going to be supporting dual core for the future and apart for apart from some very specific benchmark applications that have support for just benchmark numbers only three and four way support like 3d mark you're not getting support for any games for any benefits tangibly when going beyond two GPUs in a system so AMD is following suits or at least we can so assume from this article now the 17 point 9.2 drivers that recently launched or where this comes from excuse me so 17 book 9.2 drivers enabled a two-way crossfire with Vega GPUs it wasn't available prior to now and PC world happened to notice there was no mention of crossfire in that so they hit up AMD directly I was like hey why aren't you guys saying crossfire anymore AMD PR said crossfire isn't mentioned because it technically refers to DirectX eleven applications in DirectX 12 we referenced multi-gpu as applications must support M GPU M GPU as a shorthand for multi-gpu and DirectX 12 whereas AMD has to create profiles for DirectX 11 so DirectX 11 and prior more reliance on profiles provided directly by AMD or by Nvidia for those setups in order for the games to perform well basically the onus is more on the developers with DirectX 12 to support multi-gpu whereas the onus was more on the GPU manufacturers and specifically their software driver developer teams with DirectX 11 and the old way of doing multi-gpu anyway they say this is a branding change not a technical one so it's not like they're suddenly abandoning multi-gpu support it's just they're not calling it crossfire anymore and then you know it's M GPU which is kind of just more the generic term for multi-gpu with DirectX 12 and but there's no AMD specific terminology for multi-gpu no it doesn't appear doesn't that doesn't appear to be the case so MVP use an umbrella term that can be applied to AMD or Nvidia multi graphics cards but as of now crossfire is done away with and only Invidia has an exclusive term that represents multi-gpu seems to be the case article specifically says like it's kind of weird because crossfire it's a it's a brand it's a branded term you say crossfire yeah people are really familiar with the industry said crossfire that's more than what an AMD GPU and the multi-gpu configuration right so it's kind of weird that they suddenly be like alright we don't need that anymore maybe they have their reasons internally or that kind of thing but yeah also it's not really mentioned in this story but AMD as already mentioned doesn't seem to be keen on supporting more than to a GPU configurations down the road so we're probably gonna see 3-way 4-way gaming GPU setups kind of dry up and disappear because there's no practical reason to do it right which makes sense in a lot of ways I mean if looking at from edit from anything from like the super enthusiast perspective it's like I need to when just much hardware into the computer as possible like the development isn't there the uptake isn't there from users like the actual multi-gpu install base is so small it just doesn't make a practical sense for the these companies to invest time to support it so I'm okay with two-way being the thing yeah I don't I don't mind crossfire though I don't I don't think crossfire so just suddenly go away no as long as there's my here's my two biggest 64 is in em GPU it doesn't have a nice ring to it I'm here's my Vegas 64 is in crossfire sounds awesome that sounds way better I'm Way behind that plus there's that like eighties there may be may be 90s game crossfire crossfire you all get caught up in the crossfire all you nineties kids with me oh yeah alright quick mention here just to follow up on Equifax because it's kind of one of those big stories vaguely tech related because it was a big hack situation and it sucks for most people in the United States but the CEO of Equifax is retiring 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the Vegas 64 the asus strix edition of the Vegas 64 which has been someone anticipated I don't know Vega launch has been pretty messy generally speaking but a lot of people have been like when the third-party cards come they will save us that's what will happen so Jay got an asus strix vegas 64 and he did a bunch of testing with it basically he wasn't seeing the numbers that he was expecting talked with Asus directly did further testing he ended up just posting his video because I've been in the same situation too at a certain time when you've invested him enough time and you're checking out a product you gotta like be like here was my experience with it so he posted that and basically his aftermarket custom designed specially ace aces cool graphics card performed less less had had less performance than the defaults air cooled Vegas 64 the one he's holding in sand right here the reference model basically yeah so that was kind of surprising um there's some there's something with the V BIOS according to Asus I got an email from me because I was cards to ace you said there's an issue with the V bios and they're gonna have to rework it out but basically it's affecting the power limitation of the card and that's what's causing it to not ramp up to the same clock speeds that we're seeing with the reference design yeah so they actually asked that me hold off on our reviews for now until they get it sorted out they should have it done you know sort of that within the day or two but so that's what J was experiencing firsthand in his video so ASA said they're gonna fix this and anyone who maybe they've got an initial impression from J's video maybe a follow-up might be worth taking a look at definitely guru 3d has also posted a review on it they experienced I don't say exactly the same situation as J but a similar situation the card did not perform it did not outperform the reference model of the Vegas 64 by any significant margin to where you can say yes it's worth paying more for this card or yes right it's visibly evidence what what has gone on here in order to to say yes I should buy your card rather than buying that card regardless it's not gonna matter at all if all of these are selling for 200 bucks more than MSRP or whatever but it's at least worth keeping an eye on because hopefully eventually the prices will even out yeah although today on Newegg it didn't did not today today on Newegg the vega 56 is were all 500 bucks and the Vegas 64 us we're all 600 to 700 bucks so yeah that's what AMD is tweeting about Hey look these tech cards on sale her cards are in stock my carts are on silk hundred dollars more than three that's what we told you didn't yeah all right RGB everyone loves RGB right I do everyone's favorite addition to a computer g.skill who can't with the Trenton Z RGB kit which is one of the most I think I was one of the earliest kind of widely implemented RGB kits as far as the software goes from the different motherboard manufacturers and they are now expanding it with a Rison version see I didn't realize that there was an like the one that we've had all this time was the Intel version I didn't either I mean I have a I have a I have like 3200 Kessler and c14 kit that's worked its risin perfectly fine for but you know what's interesting is that I recently tested or I examined the thread Ripper build that Austin and I did on on that stupid yacht and was wondering why I was getting all these post code errors and I started looking up online in different forums and noticing that other people were having the exact same post code errors like 4 or 5 accounts and they all had one thing in common they were all using g.skill tried NZ r gb memory like four or five accounts and I was like ok Austin I didn't actually up the computer there's some compatibility I was totally about valid and now that we have a risin kit of this as I was about to say what's the point when the kits have been performing just fine this is this is the kit that's most frequently sent out to reviewers it's more expensive because it's a tighter timings they do have a 3200 speed cast latency 16 or 17 kit as well that's a little bit cheaper but this is what I've been using this is the timings I've been using for pretty much all of my Intel and rise in and threader protesting recently it's worked fine for me but if there is incompatibility depending on your processor and that's something that's considered worth considering the model numbers are basically the same they're just adding an X to the end for the AMD versions they look the same basically it seems like they have the same timings and everything and roughly the same number of kits available although there's some that are specifically for Rison so you're not going to be able to see all the same memory capacity configurations in there well they don't have a hundred and twenty eight gig kit Verizon yeah oh yeah that's still missing it still missing by sixteen geez but yeah so there you go if you're looking to buy a build the Rison system or a third Ripper system and you're specifically like I want to get that RGB ddr4 goodness then maybe that's something to take a gander at from g.skill meantime Corsair is is also kind of expanding their RGB memory line up with a all-white kit the Vengeance RGB who this is a single picture that I have here Kyle it's pretty sexy like it's all the people home at home a little bit more uh yeah so um this is basically the same thing as course there's existing vengeance LED ramped except the modules are now white the heat sinks are now White's same excellent RGB implementation same brightness and customizability with the software but the heat spreaders are now what that's all I know because I didn't read this article because no you did perfect you did perfect so that's what I'm seeing here they're now white I just needed you to a stall this stall little dance right so this video doesn't have the white one this would look really good in like a white belt like a you know but splash page has been up to it alright so here's here's a good version of it so there yeah there you go the white with RGB this is good because previously the only like white kit of RAM that I would ever opt for for a white build would be coursers vengeance lpx yeah serious but now we've got the RGB so that's cool and then that stands out pretty well yeah nice contrast with the colouring so I'm sure this is gonna be popular so there you go of course they're expanding their lineup a little bit the white the white white parts tend to absorb and refer yeah reflecting the the light the RGB a little bit better than the black black kind of absorbs it all in the end the the white reflects it so that's why white RGB pcs typically look a bit more colorful than the black ones yep all right add one other story here and I don't have notes on this but we've talked a little bit about the Atari box in past episodes the entire box is apparently going to be a little bit fancier than was initially expected it's actually gonna have an AMD CPU and the Linux operating system so it is going to have current generation to some degree PC hardware in there the projected price is about 250 to 300 dollars so you're not gonna expect this to have you know an eight-core rise in the cpu with the d'vega 56 or anything like that but something comparable I would guess something in the APU range maybe not even Xen maybe something based on their previous generation architecture but um still expensive enough that you might be able to do a little bit more with it than just play ported old Atari games but might be something to keep an eye on yeah just in the space if you're into retro stuff especially if you were like one of those people who really like the mini NES or mini Super Nintendo might be an interesting product but also something that you could use a little bit more expansively than just to play a few missed object games yeah that's pretty cool all right um we're gonna do sword fight next but I'd like to do this really really quickly yeah just because I'm hungry me too sorry I can't I argue about something on Kyle's half of the show we already discussed the player knowns battlegrounds creators being unhappy with fortnight battle for you out which is a game that's already exists that's developed by fortnight player known as battlegrounds their developers are Blue Hole but they all use Unreal Engine 4 so the same game same underlying game engine fortnight Battle Royale is basically the fortnight game with a battle royale version that is extremely similar to the gameplay and player a nun's milligrams which is massive battlegrounds that a bunch of people start out in presumably parachute down into at least according to this video and then it's just a deathmatch to see who the last man standing is which has proven to be an incredibly addictive version of gameplay from four player unknowns battlegrounds but player knows about guns they're considering further action potentially getting a little similar tease the teacher let you just take teaches potentially filing a lawsuit against against them to say like hey you're stealing our stuff let it give you so the question we're gonna answer at least try to get a little bit more down to really quickly here is should game developers be able to do this if there is a game developer it makes a game and they see another game developer make a game that's very similar to their game should they be able to sue them or take legal action against them granny that's down to the courts to actually decide that but we can argue this and decide right now just whether or not it should be a thing because maybe maybe maybe there's lawyers watching and they'll be like you're right and then they'll go and make that happen that's our assumption what happens every time so what do you think yes or no Oh Vic sixty second argument for okay one side or the other I'm going to say yes I'm gonna play devil's advocate yes it's the right to predict their IP and copycats are lame how would you feel Paul if I started a new segment called garage work logs that are the best on YouTube be flattered garage more clocks that are better than YouTube by bit wait wouldn't you feel a little bit how else did you feel a little bit like a little saltiness I feel like would get poured onto that wound and then additionally you know I I start doing a segment called probing Kyle you know it's not exactly the same as scrubbing Paul but you know all the same basic fundamental elements are there created off of something that you initially made on own channel you felt it was a protected safe and unique and you know an elemental part of your channel that sets you apart from the competition and and all of a sudden I come in swoop in and steal your your thunder basically um I don't think that would be very well-received on your end and I feel like you would have some legal grounds in court to sue the out of me I personally think originality is key and if a company feels like they their creativity is being encroached upon by some copycat they have a right to at least take them to court to to to to hash it out to hash it out and figure out whether or not it is infringing on their rights or not you know I'm not saying that you know pub G or Blue Hole is in the right here I'm saying that they have a right to take the fortnight people at the games to court and just hash it out and see and see if they really are picking them over and you gotta love that promo - did you watch the promo trailer promo but if I can second them guys fortnight they were like we've loved like we were a huge fan of the Battle Royale genre like games like h1z1 and pub G they actually named they listed pub G in their promo as if to say like hey blue wholewheat we gave you guys a shout out in our promo trailer so you can't really come at us so you know it's saying that we copied you guys cuz we're homies rights I mean we're giving you all this you know all this publicity all this visibility on our promo video we're cool right yeah off fortnight you're a bunch of dicks okay well keep it short okay so as Chesley this chants already pointed out pretty extensively here h1z1 called and they'd like their game concept back but even beyond that the the basic game concept of pub G is not one that's all that crazy or out there or hasn't been done before there's plenty of games that have had that style of game play in the past and the fact that they're taking another game that's so similar and potentially going and saying we're gonna see you seems a little disingenuous when a lot of their original original ideas for the their games were already derived from other games that already existed and we've seen this happen time and time again in the past like League of Legends and those types of games were all derived from a mod for I believe believe it was a warcraft mod be wrong about that I'm probably wrong about that anyway point is everything is derivative so you're not gonna be able to take any idea and say this is unique and completely different and completely original everything sort of derived from other stuff and you take it and you make it slightly different or slightly better or just slightly different or just slightly something that Warcraft 3 yes thank you Thank You Chet thank you very much I was right I said oh no I said Warcraft I was close enough Notah yes defense of the agents damn agents or defensive defensive the haz yeah so we've seen this happen plenty of times before it's gonna keep happening in the future it doesn't even happen just in games like like it's stuff like hardware like look at look at innovations with like AMD has come out with like dual channel memory and and bringing that I'm starting out dual channel my bringing the bringing the memory controller on to the on to the CPU die or PCI Express controller or going 64-bit or something like that it happens other companies pick it up because it's a good idea and then they keep doing that because it doesn't matter that you were first or that you can say that's mine and I want it and you can't have it it matters what's works best for people or that's how it should work and so like my bottle gift yeah I shouldn't try to hoard it to myself I should share it exactly the world see I've convinced you I win wait no no you're wrong now you have you know you have to wear everything Paul says rubbish all right see what the result say people say no they agree with me I win 64 percent damn you it's epic it's unprecedented all right laughs Gina I don't like any video again I want to have you ever want to have a timer I'm like I can play a video game right now I played see us go for like the last two nights oh yeah it's been awesome it's so fun that's fun well I'm I'm packing up my the game system I would be gaming on and sidon and I'm gonna give it away to someone so I need a notice to put there I will come 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whatever oh my god NB 67 be six dollars thank you cause in a great show thanks MB bunch of real assemblage VA 3mh beat California Canadian $5 fine Canadian no have five California nice california Canadians thank you very much sir kissy seven five dollars when was the first or the last time either of you used a net burst PC I'm watching on a new Pentium II II 965 bill that amazingly can handle 1080p 60 that's a message that I've never used it at first PC nothing ever yeah I would I have time wise I'd have to I have to go back and look at a calendar because that's it okay that's info I can pull up old school stuff but yeah like mm no Extreme Edition 965 that's not that's not too old I want to say 2006 but I okay so about a decade ten years or so net first is never snippers the manufacturer neper netburst refers to the architecture I believe oh wow okay yeah that's way before my time I feel so young it's like this is the type of discussion where I'm like I need to reference Wikipedia to 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haven't looked at 10 60 prices and recently have those come down I am look to either I'd have to look but yeah yeah it's a it's in 70 probably match up pretty well with that no uh the best yeah be Argentinian a nice show have you ever used or heard about the swappable slash upgrade path of the electronics laptop brand they use desktop CPU with sake I my only experience with electronics is I bought one of their SATA based SSDs m2 SSDs for the $400 gaming PC I did recently on the channel no that's the only time I've ever heard of them or used a product of theirs well I have not heard of them okay I've heard I've heard really found laptop manufacturers that use desktop parts and make some swappable and stuff like that right I've found that interesting but not not so practical I don't know I'd have to have to take a closer look to actually render an opinion but it's good we don't know check the reviews if there are any yeah to see what other people think Giovani lick'em le from the $10 hey guys I need some help with my new setup I have a gtx I have GTX 10 or I'm sorry 970 for the wins in sli with a 1600 X Rison I'm having consistent FPS drops under 25 FPS at 1080p on high even in GTA latest drivers fresh Windows SLI enabled help under 25 fps seems suspiciously what are you saying even in GTA yeah whatever does that mean other games as well cuz like what I would be doing is testing multiple games because you know you're gonna have very desolate performance depending on what game you're playing beyond that I would maybe take a look at memory if if it's something like that maybe you look at a power supply yeah we might you might be having we need a full list of your specs really to figure out what's going on yeah if you've got a really cheap power supply maybe something like that it's it's suddenly it's it's dropping the amperage or something like that and you know you're not getting enough power delivered not enough to like turn the system off but enough to drop performance yeah said beat I mean based on what you said that those would be the first two things that look at but yeah I hope that helps make sure that your your UEFI is updated to the latest version as well Rison and stuff yeah make make sure you're in high performance mode or that you have the rise and the resin bounced mode for your with the free windows power plan yes Leon Corsa $10 pulp I want more man-on-man action like in Kyle's Twitter pinnacle well you'll have to watch next week's episode of awesome hardware hey it took a hundred dollars for him to kiss me I know we have to fess up merely like a hundred dollars my thought was 200 because it was $100 the donation and $100 that you would have to pay - oh yeah that's that hos my thought process instead of just do that for a hundred bucks any more than that here cheap date leo el primo $5 I heard Experian was getting hacked - lighter note Kyle what happened to the BitFenix Enzo you sounded kind of odd at the last competition 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section really so I don't know much about Australian beer just like Foster's yeah I've had a Foster's that's probably like there it's the one that's been marketed in the US as Australian beers cold and dry though keep an eye out for it yeah dipper I yeah yeah Leon Corsa I got Leah in $200 totally bail is I want that man on man action okay really we just have to have what is the price what is it was me $200 that I want man I'm Manish I don't know what that means we never promised we never we never said that $200 would get you man on man action where is this coming from I mean what am I supposed to do just like we could hug I just we could I don't know I don't want to I don't want to disappoint him I know but not gonna we're not gonna make out or anything what if we lick what if we licked the Satan's toe at the same time not even wearing me know I don't bring that back up he's that didn't say anything about saying so I'm gonna turn that out you two-faced oh my god me alright how about 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wouldn't we wouldn't we're not like we wouldn't expect someone in Europe or Australia to be like Budweiser Budweiser that's American beer all beer in America they strike fun wise we wouldn't we wouldn't assume that at all so so yeah I'll give it a shot I'll take a closer look at the Australian section I think sometime soon yeah but guys that is all for our show for today thank you so much for watching we really hope you've enjoyed it if you did of course that the thumbs up button we'll be back next Tuesday streaming from Kyle's Kyle's place the next time whoo so yeah join us then if you so desire thanks to all of you guys who were able to watch the slide today if you're watching in the future thanks as well if someone wants to make them a timestamps we really really appreciate that every time these cell processing our moderator thanks for being here as always man oh yeah does anyone else hear spider here we love spider - all right thanks again for watching guys we're gonna host we're 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