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Awesome Hardware #0128-B: Intel + AMD Team Up vs NVIDIA, VEGA at MSRP, Star Wars Titan Xp

2017-11-07
let's do a baby should be let us do it we yeah yeah should be live hello everyone and welcome to awesome hardware yeah this is episode number where we add 128 128 128 have someone's weight whoo awesome hardware's a live show we stream to twitch that TV / awesome hardware and also to YouTube every week Tuesday evening 5:30 p.m. Pacific time and we split the show in half so the first half of today's show up so 128 was actually already streamed to Kyle's YouTube channel which is youtube.com / c / bit wit like - that should be in the description if you missed it on this show we talked about technology computers computer building life love with speak freely and openly or means occasionally we use bad bad words so keep that in mind really bad this disclaimer thing bitch beyond that thank you campaigning us and let's let's get right in the new the show o we drink beer do we do oh thank god you more thank god just a tame nice 5.3% beer opener go oh thank god a beer so if you'd like to join us if you're of age of course if you wanna drink responsibly thank you for doing that right now we're just we're just finishing up the oktoberfest since it is now november and we had a very long october we had many awesome hard roosevelt february we have five be at five awesome hardware really yeah it seemed like there's a lot of awesome hardware in october the chief stakes would be near good that jesus hmm oh yeah oh yeah and if you enjoy nonsense and what help support us check out our stories if you buy stuff during the show we will shout out your name at the end of it johnson in fact cal didn't even do his johnson's at the end of his hat for doing at the end of my as it was so long it's very long very it for your that's a shut up shot I got I got bottle openers and shirts and mugs clink glasses it's all really high-quality stuff check it out bit wit tech slash store is Cal store he also tons of stuff including new decals everyone buy a decal and anywhere a bottleneck shirt and an RGB everything shirt that will make you sexy just buy everything on the top row all those things I'll be happy you'll be on that though let us move into some technology news and starting off with the the big news which is Intel and AMD typically until an AMD are competitors they they are they fight with each other they hit each other they're bitches Robles rival bitches their rivals rival bitches bitches there definitely comes in - they're definitely bitches according to this article from PC gamer by the way all the articles we're talking about today on linked in the video's description Intel and Andy are joining forces in order to create this thing right here this basically hybrid model if system with Intel CPU with a minute on you you a radeon GPU with HP HP m2 memory on the same package xiexie they made this video we're gonna play look look look look at that oh yeah look look at that look at those charts wait that look at them graphics the the goal here from Intel and AMD is to basically creates better laptops thin and light laptops that you can take on the go with you that aren't just able to do web browsing that sort of thing but it can also do some some gaming perhaps building a thinner and lighter and more powerful enthusiast mobile platforms with an eye towards triple-a gaming and content creation the product itself will combine a quart each series CPU with the second generation high bandwidth memory or HBM to memory let's see you take GD five can you stack it and it becomes hpm that's that works stack that that is functionally how it works yes also you can see here this is a demonstration here a visual demonstration of what is at the heart of this chip the embedded multi die interconnect bridge or emmab look at look at the EMF going up mmm let's see mm roit communicating that removes the need for a silicon interposer it is a small intelligent bridge that allows heterogeneous silicon to quickly pass information in a close proximity EEE I mean if you're gonna be specific or whatever but the mmm it's it like the way it's been described is like it's a way for different parts of the chip to communicate with each other right the demonstration and some of the demos I showed were like even different manufacturing process based chips you can have a CPU based on one process a GPU based upon process I obey some one process and you can still connect them all together and how to communicate right at a high frequency a high data rate together take infinity fabric from AMD mm-hmm I mean the basic concept is kind of the same right I've been drinking so I'm not gonna go into further detail than that good what people key in reducing height requirements also cuts down on manufacturing and design complexities so that's kind of cool so the expectation is we're gonna have something with like a KB Lake or copy Lake style instructions per clock combine that with something like a Vegas style GPU compute capability OD bad ass um at the right frequencies it is quite badass Vega is not known for its efficiency because in order to make Vega competitive Vega has been run at very high clock speeds but right more reasonable clock speeds Vega actually is very efficient is this doing oh if this is going to be vague or pleura spaced I believe from what I've read it so that's it's Vega but I'm not don't take my word for that I could be wrong okay but the upshot is potentially some pretty cool power officiants and yet still graphically powerful systems based on this in the future there's really not much more detail on that there's no like scuse there's no product numbers there's no launch dates there's no price there's nothing so yeah it's just the fact that it's happening and it is a thing it's one of the few reasons to get excited at moles yeah Bitcoin bitcoins price has slipped below $7,000 everyone's upset like why $7,000 what like everyone's like wait horrible travesty wait it went over at $7,000 yes it did that's crazy Bitcoin has been on a bit of a tear recently um let's let's go from 7600 to flippin below 7000 gonna look at the data woohoo I only have $7,000 a Bitcoin here is the current Bitcoin price so it's jumped up a little bit those incest 7300 wait what 7350 is the current standing this has changed like literally hours yeah what so I mean basically it makes this post irrelevant Wow alright we're pretty much back up to where we just it's still it still hasn't peaked as high as it did before but it did jump back up a little bit to the mid 770 300 this is like in the past couple hours this isn't like what I was going to say in this so does that mean this article was written like here no so right let's look at let's look at the last month we should really get into Bitcoin money you and I you can we could we could rule the world once my power wall gets installed and I have solar going that I won't let any extra power to mines and coins alright so Bitcoin actually peaked at 76 hundred dollars on Monday that's yesterday and if you look at the like one week here's Monday night Sunday where's Monday and this is the church wrong stupid but I don't have any sick time you right there yeah I'm seeing around 7600 drop back down around 7,000 apparently it's jumped back up another three four hundred dollars in the past a couple hours since we started talking about this since I pulled this story up in general but a lobster shirt bitcoins has been increasing a lot I mean it wasn't just a like a month or two ago it was like four thousand and suddenly we're seeing it breach prices even higher than that however at the same time we're not apparently seeing a an increase in GP prices along with it which is which is useful a theory I'm at the same time has peaked just over three hundred and forty dollars back on October 14th and it's been around three hundred dollars ever since so it's way behind Bitcoin then oh wait I mean aetherium is it's very it's I didn't realize it I didn't realize it was that far behind well big hanging Vic wins the stain of this kind of the standard for cryptocurrency and theory M is more say here's the peak of aetherium but the idea is that the more there's to think of it they're more valuable or the the cryptocurrency is the harder it is to mine right from what I understand not necessarily the more people mining it the more difficult to the mine effect if if a cryptocurrency is value increases then yes there will probably be more people mining it mm-hmm I just I wasn't sure like if you're like the effectiveness of how much you can mine is determinant by in some way how many people are mining it or the value of I guess it would be how many people are mining it because that's dependent on the value of cryptocurrency if the value goes up then more people are gonna be mining it and then it gets increasingly difficult to you need higher hash rate for to correlate with how many people are mining a certain see I don't know I don't know anything I don't know anything about anything in this aspect I I did I wish I knew all the things there could be currency in the theory even Bitcoin there are relationships between those things but it would depend on the specific cryptocurrency and how it operates and when it comes to increases in difficulty and also values to an extent that I don't want to try to say anything something ourselves into that corner good idea all right but follow up oh yeah reason we talk about cryptocurrency at all on this channel is yeah related to the price of graphics cards because the popularity of cryptocurrency mining in general has led to the increase in prices of graphics cards and more specifically AMD graphics cards PCWorld pointed out oh this is from late last week there are actually some Vega 56 and Vega 64 GPUs that are starting to apparently sell for their actual retail price or much closer to their retail price this article is from Brad cherkiss and basically talks about Vegas 50 56 is being available for about $420 Vegas 64 is about 20 being available for $500 or their MSRP their promised price from AMD no recordings of the article the sudden burst of availability is likely tied to the gtx 1070 TI is released which i kind of makes sense to me I guess but um yeah let's take a look right now I'm gonna refresh let's refresh let's look at this change right now or cuz yeah this is to change by there we're gonna look at only new egg sellers look at that back order back order okay add the Kurt though sorry so Oh big 64 for 550 I can't get a Vegas 64 for 550 dollars right and add and you can add it to cart and buy it it's not bad it's 50 bucks more than the MSRP but it's less than Add to Cart look at this Vegas thing six Oh where'd it go mm weird where'd he go yeah no point I can't you get no pricing on my comic look it's a my product Paul no age like tantalize you wait refreshing well that's not right can I add the cart from here this is all right you have a get 56 from power color for 399 and Curt tempo okay I add this to my cart I'm gonna get will call in the City of Industry you could pick it up tomorrow you could pick it up to make it over tomorrow it's gonna be all right yeah let's look at all right so so that versus that is a Vegas 56 that you can buy right now for $400 grand reference blowers I am impressed all right let's look looks like at 64 is 500 sort by lowest price out back quarter back order my bag are 500 bucks this is amazing nice I can buy somehow they're not completely sold out a Vegas 64 right now for $500 do it you should do it you should just buy right now this is amazing on stream buy it no right there school but the upshot is that's that's good news that's good news at the school cards are they're coming down in price it means that hopefully the the inventories coming back or they're not just being all immediately bought up by and suddenly these Vegas cards are more competitive with the GeForce alternatives like the gtx 1070 of course now you have to consider an ad of course makes it confusing yeah Titan XP Star Wars collectible editions have been from Nvidia Titan XP is one thing where you don't get specialized third-party versions of it at least so you typically don't sometimes you might get a water-cooled version here there but most of the time the only expectation goodbye is the reference version so Star Wars collectible editions are a much different variants of that and there are two versions there is the Alliance oh okay my the only one that sliced the Horde and the Alliance by the fact that this is a Star Wars launch is this is it am I the only one that finds this weird weird why is it weird because one's the last time any GPU manufacturer launched a flagship GPU in collaboration with a pop culture IP I don't know but it's Star Wars I mean I know but artworks is owned by Disney and Disney will will slap their IP on anything that people will bet money on are willing to pay exorbitant prices for and this is no different Nvidia the first one to snoozy is a big hell yeah yeah hell yeah turned a dog I mean II am on our Titan I'm not saying I'm opposed to it I'm just saying it's unexpected I'm a very thrown off by this I'm not used to seeing a premium GPU collide look at least there's at least in general including the display P there still including the DisplayPort today so that at least we can still be happy with but we got the Jedi Order version here which has a more distressed sort of look and we have the Galactic Empire version which is a bit more clean look and hello man I'm feeling the Jedi these have been specifically crafted to reflect the look and feel the Star Wars galaxy they contain hints such as the hilts of Luke Skywalker's lightsaber and light panels reminiscent as a Death Star right there you go I'm sure I still think the lights should be RGB sure it is I still think it should be are you mean RGB okay if you're being 1200 yes all right the Jedi Order GPU simulates the wear and tear and battle worn finish as many items used by the Rebel Alliance yeah whereas the Galactic Empire gpus finish features simple clean lines emulating the high end orderly nature and of the resource-rich Empire finishes that both of these versions took years to perfect there is of course specialized retail packaging for both of these as well specialized back plates with the Star Wars logo these courts should make lightsabers bet it into them they should make way any bands inside here that would be cool they should make lasers and attend their under low doing specialized retail packaging I'm gonna be really annoying now GeForce experience do you use the GeForce experience I typically don't what is that really know so like Nvidia tears no I know but no my I was basically saying no I don't use g-forces okay I typically don't either but no and if you are a user of GeForce experience you get exclusive preorder access to these Titan XP special editions Jedi Order and Galactic Empire Titan expedition so you get like front-row pre-order before the cards are broadly available mid-november okay starting tomorrow which I believe is today turn into this article geforce experience users can purchase one card of each design by using their login credentials at the nvidia store they are $1200 each and there's no information in the article what happens if you attempt to sli the galactic empire version the Jedi Order version together I feel like they would they would cancel each other out or cause your you'd see the like when the death star explodes that's what your that's what what happened they I don't I don't know or perhaps it would bring balance to the force yeah it could be that too I don't know either way but yeah I'm sure we'll see some we'll see some unique builds with these GPS and then perhaps pretty cool but again it's 100 bucks they're definitely very high-end very collectors items I asked Nvidia if they would give me one that's still pending rather pending all right did any of you guys have your internet go out yesterday there was a nationwide internet outage really it was actually caused by a tiny error by one of the major Internet service the Internet backbone companies level 3 but the series of outages included Comcast's spectrum Verizon Cox and RCN the problem itself was due to a Mis configuration at level 3 and nots nefarious doings by hackers or some sort of DDoS attempt or anything like that it was just a Mis configuration that happened by the ISP itself so someone got fired as you can see by this chart the red areas are where people are really mad cuz they can't watch because they can't watch porn on the internet that's my assumption there's ironically the red indicates the blue balls yes country completely and relatedly level 3 the Internet company it's an Internet backbone company they're also an enterprise ISP so they provide Internet service to big companies and that kind of thing word they were recently acquired by a CenturyLink I'm sure that has nothing to do with this the issue itself was resolved in about ninety minutes but went on long enough to get worldwide trending on Twitter for Comcast outage amongst other things the MIS configuration was a route leak causing multiple autonomous systems or AAS units to issue incra net incorrect information about the IP addresses on their network which caused an efficient routing and failures for both the originating ISP and other SPS trying to route traffic through this their systems the route leaks can be malicious in nature sometimes they're called route hijacks or BGP hijacks but Monday's incident as of yesterday appears to have just been caused by a simple mistake that ballooned into a national incident I don't think I was affected by this I wasn't either thank God I have frontier BIOS firmly verizon fios but now frontier Maus and yeah I went to you that part of this it's been pretty stable for me thank God which is good yep and no reason to have any love for frontier as a company so far but syringe Internet's been stable so yeah we have AT&T so we were gonna meet them speaking of AT&T Sprint and t-mobile they've been in talks about a massive merger we've believed we discussed it was a weird what video but Sprint and t-mobile have called off merger talks after months four months they've been discussing this sprint Corp and t-mobile us Inc said on Saturday that they've called off these talks no more discussion about the number three and number three number three and number four wireless carriers in the United States merging together together to provide a little bit more competition for the likes of Verizon ok this is the latest failed attempt because they have tried this before and both sides have showed unwillingness to part with too much of their prize to us telecom assets yeah hold on to their pride got too much stuff don't let go this failed merger however could help keep wireless prices low because there are currently of course the four largest providers of wireless cellphone service and now there's still four yeah rather than three names competitiveness so they're still fighting for consumers all around so potentially better for consumers I guess they did take the unusual step of making a joint announcement on the cancelled negotiations which could indicate that they're still working closely enough to recognize the merits of a merger keeping the door open for potential future talks hmmm future talks sorry I'm trying to annunciate have been drinking I mean sprint is kind of like the bastard of the ISPs the hell is this stupid all right carry on all right next up James report no no one more story here know what news have any of you guys upgraded to Windows 10 no why don't we ever do that that's quite a few people have but there has been a weight upgrade to Windows 10 since the Windows 10 upgrade offer expired it's using the assistive technologies exception however this exception will be ending on December 31st 2017 at the end of this year so it's been more than a year since Microsoft ended the Windows 10 upgrade program that was on July 29th 2016 the get Windows 10 program was which allowed a very broad upgrade path for people to have a free upgrade from Windows 7 Windows 8 Windows XP even you could do but since that ended there has been this assistive technologies loophole if you were one who needed to use assistive technologies which is something as simple as pulling up the on-screen keyboard on Windows you were still eligible for this upgrade which basically meant that anyone who is aware of this and knew the proper procedures to go through it still get an upgrade to Windows 10 is a major loophole basically a loophole yes yeah something that was there injured but it's sending deaf or blind there you go yeah you have to kind of pretend that you need the assistive technologies in order to do it but sometime just in this past week Microsoft has quietly edited edited their faq page about this the heading originally said we will make a public announcement prior to ending this offer and now that text has been replaced and reads the accessibility upgrade offer expires on December 31st 2017 that's the NF I've seen as in this image here okay yeah if you were interested and still hadn't taken advantage of an upgrade from a prior version of Windows to the current version of Windows 10 and you're interested then maybe this is something you still want to do there is a link to this ZDNet article in this video's description and there's a link in that ZDNet article to how to actually go about doing this I'm not gonna describe how to do it to you here but it's not very difficult cool and if you have a system that's using a an earlier version of Windows and you want to upgrade it for free you should probably do that now if you don't that's okay there's plenty of people who are like I love Windows 7 and don't like the Windows 10 stuff organo screw that there's a slightly smaller groups it's like I love Windows 8 tonight Oh Windows 10 stuff I don't quite understand them probably they want to use the the TV streaming features all right let's move on to games report games reports yes the games are portal because there's somebody new there this is some gaming news a little steam news here and of course Blizzcon was just this weekend so Blizzard yeah yeah did have several of us she's far away from us about that yeah it was very close but I didn't go do it so the steam hardware survey has recently been published and this article is pointing out not just some of the steam hardware survey results but also that Windows has stopped updating its official Windows market share page which they had been using in the past to say like hey look how good Windows 10 is doing but they weren't able to tweak their numbers enough to be like hey look how good Windows tends to me so they just stopped updating it their article point outs there's still three other ways you can possibly see how Windows 10 is doing overall as an operating system stat counters latest update net market shares figures or of course the steam monthly user survey which is a very good way of looking at people who are actually playing PC games and all that I'm gonna open up the actual link right here so we can look at some tricks look at these charts look for marinho hey charts which are usually why can't I get a bigger look at the church how can this click click for more info I can't look at and what does she look at the details the defect rates bigger anyway for October 2017 the steam hardware hardware survey did seem to have a pretty big shift in that Windows 7 gained twenty one point four seven percentage points this month climbing to sixty five point four seven percent of the share of operating systems used however well you might look at that and be like wow when does ten sucks because Windows 10 did shed seventeen point three eight percentage points to get it to twenty eight point six percent market share there is another fact here if you look at the language section of the survey simplified Chinese surged twenty six point eight three percentage points to fifty six point three seven percent in October while English fell thirteen point four to twenty one point two four percent so the sir the article is surmising that this big boost in people participating in the steam hardway service Hardware survey from China using Windows 7 is what's causing this shift it's not necessarily a bunch of people who have been like you know Windows 10 sucks I'm gonna roll back to Windows 7 or something like that people who are already on Windows 7 and they're all from China apparently it's more people in China using Windows 7 I don't know what version of Windows 7 they're using I don't know if it's attacked hack Windows 7 but definitely is an interesting shift to look at if you're looking at hardware service beyond that though of course Blizzcon was just this past weekend and Blizzard announced quite a few things I'm gonna talk about the things I was most interested in all right starting with vanilla well servers vanilla Wow sir but no Wow does that mean that they're not they're not monitored or touched by Blizzard themselves what does that mean by vanilla Blizzard servers or they have no regulation or so World of Warcraft launched the beta launched in 2003 mm-hmm the beta was open for a bit I don't know when it actually went from beta to not beta but vanilla WoW is original Wow it is the version of World of Warcraft that existed in 2004 or 2005 okay early on and the developments of the game because the game of course has been a game that's evolved over time over the past what is it 2017 2003 for ten years so what made it not vanilla anymore so what made it not vanilla and actually I'm not a high percent sure about that that's actually a pretty good question what what really made it not vanilla was the launch of the first expansion the first expansion was first expansion was was Burning Crusade okay and a lot of people to go into Outland and yeah the Burning Crusade thank you Thank You Chet so that was the first expansion so when you first played World of Warcraft and you're how to created a character and he leveled it up you can get up to level 60 uh-huh when they released the first expansion Burning Crusade up to 90 right there's a new continent you could go to like a new planet whatever you get a completely new area right and you could level up to level 70 okay they've released subsequent expansion packs after that though of let you low let go go to level 80 uh-huh and then level 90 and there's like a 95 in there I think and then a hundred okay and this expansion that they've just the the most recent expansion that I talked about just this weekend is gonna let people get up to level 120 okay and there's new continents and there's a horde versus Alliance renewal there has to be more to this vanilla nonfat vanilla thing than just the maximum level you can reach her yes I mean there's been tons of changes to the game over the years and the UI functionally the way it works there's a of course been a bunch of changes under the hood that people aren't aware of as far as how the game functions itself so for a long time I haven't even since Burning Crusade there's been a lot of people who were like I liked how it was and vanilla I like the original version there were a lot of stuff that was more challenging there's different stuff that they've done over the years that a lot of people have looked at and said like you did this so that made the game easier to make more people come and play the game cuz it's easier and that simpler and now it's easier for the noobs and there's more noobs all that kind of stuff so vanilla is the original game his love differences love stuff that people are accustomed to now that didn't wasn't how it worked back 10 to 12 to 14 years ago yeah but there's enough people who have been interested in playing that game at its original form and there's been enough people at Blizzard who recognize World of Warcraft as not just a video game but a one of the first massively popular mmo's a video game changed a lot of the way that people play video games in general a video game had one of the largest player bases at least in the United States especially when it comes to a paid game right so there's a lot of sort of world firsts I guess so you might say that world's aircraft had so there's a lot of interests both from the community as well as I would imagine from the developers of the game itself so be like alright this original game that we created back in 2004-2005 we can't just make that again right now but wouldn't it be cool if we could so this is what they have promised people that they would actually do now there's been attempts to do this in the past over the past year nostalrius was a sort of a rogue independent server that had a vanilla version of wow that they had built themselves Blizzard has at times seemed like more of an aggressor going after these independently created realms that people like to play in but at the same time there is some understanding of them like they have to protect their intellectual property and that kind of thing sure but the article and if you guys want to read it it's linked in the description PC gamer is a fairly in-depth interview with J Allen Brock who is the vice president and is executive producer of Wow he talks about vanilla while servers the announcement at Blizzcon as well as some of the issues that they've had to attempt to overcome when it comes to even addressing something like can they make vanilla servers he said the original problem that we would have to run to mmo's essentially we'd have to run classic well and then we'd have the current while at the same time classic Wow and current while don't really work in the same way anymore classic Wow has all kinds of bugs and problems it also has all kinds of exploits and hacks that everyone already knows about because that's you know 10 or 10 to 15 years old the problem goes down to the base level programming at hardware that vanilla world of warcraft used in 2003 but Rock says this team has made a breakthrough and we think we have a way to run the classic servers on the modern modern technical infrastructure hmm and my assumption here is that it potentially has a decent amount to do with instancing which is something that they've done a lot over time when it comes to themselves as well as instancing specific areas and they've made a lot of advances over time in that the expansion with death Knights was a big step for Dan that is like cuz I'm totally out of the loop but as someone who used to play Wow regularly does this move entice you to jump back into the game potentially okay because there's a lot of nostalgia there so it's an attempt to try to separate the nostalgia from reality but it's also one of those things where like you know 10 years ago I might have had a different sort of daily schedule as far as my ability to play video games that kind of thing but yeah I have often said I've said before that the number of people playing World of Warcraft and the community that was involved was an experience that I feel like I haven't had or seen recreated since that existed and Warcraft back when I was playing regularly yeah and it was a really really cool experience just to have that many people invested playing a game all at the same time you can get together to play with on quests and do that kind of thing yeah it's pretty cool so um the prospect of World of Warcraft and the vanilla which is more challenging which and requires more investment of time which has high-level raids and that kind of thing that were only unlocked by the most elite of guilds back in 2005 2006 2007 nessam they being available again I think has a lot of potential you know o has a lot of people might be time for you to create a new guild possibly it is pointed out in the article that there's a lot of advancements that have been made such as crossrealms servers looking for raid dungeon finder automatic party matchmaking that has been integrated into the game that isn't is it wasn't there with vanilla and isn't going to be there for the new version that comes out they didn't meet directly with Asterius the private server team that created the vanilla WoW server that was incredibly popular before it got shut down by due to actions by Blizzard but nestorius actually turned over its code to Blizzard in order to play with it and pick at it and see what they had accomplished so yeah it certainly seems like Blizzard has taken a lot of time and a lot of thought about this but yeah they despite all of the changes that have happened over the years specifically quoted in the articles like casting an intellect buff you have to cast the buff and then drink to get your mana back up before you could cast it again and they realize like that was a stupid thing like yeah you should just feel the casting casts it like you shouldn't take that much mana but it did back in the day and sure you're gonna have to do that again if you go back to the world the original vanilla version so lots little details about that that people probably have maybe taken for granted over the years but we'll see how it actually goes but Blizzard says if millions of people show up and play for years that's awesome if just tens of people show up and play for years we're fine either way they're going to support it hopefully we'll see something along these lines in 2018 and we're gonna argue about this in just a second actually let's post that right now all right we make it vanilla long kills well I several my my wife and several other people have already asked me about this since this is a potential thing that's coming soon and I have thought about it and I've been like you know what it's an investment of time that you kind of have to think about beforehand is it something that we should sort of like I don't know live stream and play games and that kind of thing if you guys are interested and want to vote on that please go ahead and do so I personally have to say yes wait now we're not answering it oh we're not answering it I've one thing to talk about okay go ahead well people argue on that also some news from Blizzcon Starcraft 2 which is a really really good RTS game very well made very well balanced is going or tier free-to-play launched seven years ago in 2010 Wow just kind of crazy to think about as well free-to-play going for you to play now really free-to-play yes by Starcraft 2 anymore why does download and play what they've gotten so much they they've actually want more people to play the game and that's the type of game you play and get better at and get interests in this playing MMO MMO but arts yes but play against other people online portion significant portions of single and multiplayer content for no charge will be available starting November 14th players will be able to download wings of Liberty the original campaign for free if you're previously paid for wings of Liberty and you have an account on battlenet you'll be able to get the heart of the swarm expansion for free instead and if you previously have paid for all the expansions like I have for example you're going to get an exclusive ghost skin and three new portraits which nice it's not exactly like getting my money back but okay blows heard at least you did something content players will also be able to earn full free access to ranked multiplayer play including units from all three of the games expansions that mode will be locked until players notch a single unranked or eight I win on ten separate days and that's just an example of one of blizzards things that they have accepted to be and they sort of flock out as far as play play through a balance between you can do this much to get to the next level or you can just pay us some money yeah they usually reasonable with that like story craft to so competitive that I would never be able to survive they're gonna be online they're gonna continue to make money off Starcraft 2 by selling co-op commanders additional single-player campaigns at $15 each or $40 for bundles 3 and other premium upgrades like announcer packs special skins and war chests well cool yeah for all the die-hard Starcraft 2 players out there yeah I can't why I don't think I actually finished this start kind of two campaigns so did that look a lot of diehard players for Starcraft 2 mainly played the online just to play against other people linked like any of the battlefield are cold yeah yeah a big part of no one plays the campaign you just go straight into multiplayer and kill people yeah stuff I mean if you want to if you want to hunt the most dangerous game you have to play against a fellow human that's part of it okay the only worthy opponent let's see what I'm the right thing what do you guys think about making a vanilla WoW guild vanilla WoW guild ah cold where I think that's sold it from oh just to call it awesome poured where is some gold that would be pretty clutch internet gold because you have to create it now because you know cuz you know we're playing hard we're not playing Alliance Alliance Alliance but I feel like the one the right side for the Horde but I feel like them that is a pretty significant amount of people who feel that we should make awesome awesome hardware and thanks for all of your responses and Matt yes we have one last segment oh oh do we know we don't that was a sorry we forgot airing it was like oh nevermind it's fine I heard Becca $5 you a hall do you do you know when the coolant from your arctic panther build will be available to buy I'm putting together a cart for liquid builds should I wait I don't know I don't know the answer to that question I'm sorry it's from primo chill it's it's they're still developing it but mine had the unique situation that I it was White's and then it turned blue I think because of some and then it we're Brody back to white yeah and then it's back to white now which I'm just like why okay forget it it's very rich for amazing real right there oh that's great yeah I would I would try it's waiting to that primo chill yeah maybe they can give you a better idea of when it's actually gonna be available for my at retail okay cuz this is a this is early stuff and I was using it in a not normal manner but it's still been pretty cool it's so it still looks really cool texture that's in there oh yeah is freaking awesome and cool it looks even better in person jujubee's $13.30 loops Paul from Movember here's your share oh thank you or you did the Movember thing move it yeah that's what I'm working on yep me too although I need to figure out how to raise money all right yeah supposed to set up some things for donations or we'll figure it out right Fred rent 50 bucks Fred oh my god I'll have you taken your wife to a nice dinner or do you require a pie for motivation like 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1 I mean for me with Final Fantasy 7 and that was the same thing was he was a thing does anything for me with n64 a significant period of time I mean good information to wait when did GTA there was GTA there's like GT 110 there was bison because III was in PlayStation 2 I think PlayStation 2 was the first like current were like the the way GTA is now like with right dude well you still had like a 3d environment on PlayStation 1 but there was no GTA the way we know it now on that platform until PlayStation 2 please introduce what you choose to create and then on PlayStation 2 see it right - I guess location - yes that I know n64 completely blew my mind when I played like Mario like Super Mario 64 for the first time I mean imagine going from SNES when you're playing like USU's island like Super Mario Brothers and stuff two-dimensional it's all 2d all you've ever known going to n64 we were playing Super Mario Brothers and like 64 it was just and then like games like I want to I want to save PlayStation 1 though perfect dark original PlayStation God original PlayStation Final Fantasy 7 and original Final Fantasy 7 was the first game in existence to ever have a televised commercial really yeah it was the first video game in existence to actually be advertised on subversion all right but Final Fantasy 7 I want to say twisted metal twisted metal with originals of original twisted metal on the original PlayStation yeah it was a classic I feel like that was my freshman year of college so good it was so good freshman year of college as PlayStation yeah I played a lot like senior year to know that I'm Oh - now you know I get the more I can relate to you that oh I know it's like it's like as we get yes to be you're younger than me I know but as you get older I feel like we're on Stephen Hill ten bucks this is another donation no this is just a tribute this hot tribute I like that - thank you very much man Jesse fish five bucks what do you suggest for GPU since there are so many of us have experienced this problem the little blue pill isn't helping we need to price a price yeah there's a ballpark for you Jesse mm-hmm I still say that the GTX 1070 at $400 yeah is this deal right now is kind of good it's good bang for your buck range that'll actually like last you another couple years yeah that can handle the high resolutions and stuff yeah it's hard to say Zachary Hummel Zaki boxy dollars y'all won an in win 509 faces of prime X 370 with the shiner the currently collecting dust and making my girlfriend man what what I mean making your girlfriend mad can come here and make my wife mad tell there's a build a damn PC with those components yeah I feel like there's people who don't have lots of hardware lying around to could make better use of that stuff than us yeah but if it's gonna go on the recycling otherwise and sure why not Thank you Thank You Zack bill yep appreciate it replies Giovanni five bucks 3.5 gigabytes 1080 is thanks another question do cache latency times make a visible difference to the average user or only in benchmarks how big if so to my knowledge typically its match latency is negligible not especially when it comes to like work station or even gaming applications I mean if you're comparing two and they're vastly off if you're looking at like cats latency 14 versus cat Satan's eat 20 or something like that's a big difference but usually they're they're much smaller differences in that and that's it's negligible I'd say speeds when it comes to DRAM matters most when you're going with a risin platform you want to make sure to have a pretty fast Ram kit with your risin system usually anything like 20 29 33 or above would be advised if you are gonna be sliding horizon chip in there otherwise I feel like on Intel platforms speed like actual frequency and cache latency doesn't matter as much so the common user so just get whatever you think yes yes thank you Thank You Giovanni dragon 5:10 no no we forgot we missed no that was no Thank You Giovanni I'm sorry hello dragon five ten ten dollars and one cent sorry some love for Paul thanks for answering my question on cows have been upgrading my Linux box you had not thought about handing my risin 1700 down to the Linux machine later love you guys yeah that was a great that was a great suggestion hey yep that's something that works out for you I did good Matz with five bucks I newb have my first high end system TR for 1950 X finally built and been looking at water-cooled tenday TTI what's your thoughts on pre water-cooled carts the ACE is Poseidon I know we're what about EVGA hybrids or something like that yeah I feel like it'd be an option they're fine there's a hybrid everyone's that come with clothes love coolers attached to them aren't trance are typically transferable over to a custom loop so they announce it or something that you can integrate with the cooler for your third Ripper as well make it a little bit more sense but yeah beyond that I'd say if 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you do you finally command $10 love what you to do briefly what each of you do to get into the tech world what did you major in did you need tech sort of those certifications to work at newing was everything you know pc wise today for Newegg so I'll just be really quick I graduate from college Newegg was the first job I got out of college I knew jack about pcs this guy taught me most of everything I know fundamentally of about pcs and I've since then built upon that knowledge and here we are today so yes that's that's my quick story in a nutshell what did I do to get into the tech world I I was interested in computers even I read magazines and that kind of thing back on a day when or the internet was quite as useful for porn research these days you can just get all the info you need out and down the internet yeah and then I got a job at nuoc I didn't need any tech certifications I had already worked at Newegg for several years before I moved into the role that I did where I was making videos about tech stuff and that kind of thing most of the stuff I know PC wise I have been developing before I worked at knowing but of course it continued that um you know just trying to learn as much as I could through working there um hopefully that answers your questions but Giovanni thank you for your donation thank you sir Jakob rails 20 bucks yo have some dollar e do you also any idea when I'll be able to actually buy in 8700 K they're constantly sold out everywhere it seems and until that comes and I'm stuck with my ten atti being plugged into my old FX 8350 system holy crap yes you are you could go rise and bro you could just I mean risings readily available they got plenty of stock go for a rise in seven chip but if you're 780 700 K specifically I don't know I don't have the magic answer for you there as to when Intel's gonna be in stock with that they definitely run rush the coffee leg launch to compete with Rison and because of that they've also sort of it can get a bit prematurely you can get one on next to where your house right now for $400 there you go how much it is next where am I supposed to be I mean you may have to wait a little bit longer and chipping or even pay more and shipping but you know anyway it's supposed to be for 20 folk 20 blaze it 420 blaze it is it if this is a I mean this is next warehouse they have not the best reviews no they have okay reviews sorry gonna go to next warehouse right now you can buy one for $400 yes you can add to Curt looks like they shipped to anywhere in the US and stuff sure there you go check that out right Zachary Hummel five bucks by the way I'm trying to give you things and money call me Zach thanks Zach thanks Zach you the best ZZR hardy for the temas trillion Kyle will be a natural for Barron's chatting the Barrens check what is that Barron's is an area and World of Warcraft it's different now because when Cataclysm happens they like split it up and whatever but it was a very large area and when you're playing World of Warcraft's there's like a chat box and you're in the bottom right guys and when you're chatting you can chat into like guild chat or you can if you're in a party or snot grouping you do party chat so every text you put in there might be a different color whatever it sure so there's a regional chat for whatever area that you're in right the Barons was a very very large area in Kalimdor Western continent okay I think that's right so it was just known for being an area where whenever you went in there there's lots of people randomly chatting in Baron's chat okay so barons chat just got sort of a reputation for being the place where you go where it's suddenly there'd be just randomness or just just imagine going into a random chat room on the internet with tons and tons of people in it with whatever randomness they want to talk about being distressed that's okay yeah gotcha so he's saying I'd be a social butterfly in this one section of of the game exactly gotcha perfect thank you is easier beautiful beautifully said thank you very much sir Jared Becker $5 just checked the primo chill Twitter and said the view coolant would be available 30 to 60 days that was on September 2nd if that's what it's called if that was a 92 that's already two months ago so yeah that means it should be available now yeah oh that's a complaint no that's a sweet Society recitation talking about Eric chug 25 bucks good night guys thanks for the stream loved it thanks man super sweet zepho five bucks gamma dude we all just want to know the secret behind the hair product it's great I don't use hair products nine out of nine point one times I don't use hair products in that thing but I need to figure it just being Asian nation when you guys asked me last year about why I shaved my beard off and I talked about it being itchy and uncomfortable and your wife was like haha this is everything that was like how could you possibly not know about the massive variety of solutions 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betterment of yeah country nation I appreciate that you have father in whatever war whatever battle so I didn't have to so for that I sincerely thank you me too but I think that pretty much concludes our episode here appllo as a part apart from Johnson's oh yeah we we need Johnson's for both has references to fire off I'm just a brief moment here while we load this up I've got it looks like I got about 500 so first Johnson going out to Shane Shane s from Wyoming in a large order pub glasses thumbscrew tri-blend shirt and the hooded sweatshirt he's the one with the zipper it's a good one nice there's Matthew nany they wear a bottle nightshirt and to be aware of bottleneck shirt he bought - but electrics in different colors of course Johnson - Jesse from Indiana thank you so much Jesse you got the thumbscrew stainless steel bottle opener which is very high-quality Johnson - Bryan speaking of a bit wet gray logo American Apparel black hoodie nice they're super comfy this time of year Aaron pea from California he got the RGB everything shirt of course insanely popular the best shirt can I just keep they keep they flying off the veil shirt Johnson - Elijah in a job you could have a CPU cooler shirt Thank You Elijah shake ugh and a big old Johnson for Daniel from Texas I got the thumbscrew shirt and navy blue double Johnson for shame no just for picking up a try Blanchett for the awesome hardware so fine clapping man that's lovely and that I'm done oh my god what a few more here Jesse double Johnson don't have these bitter of arse why would you not buy if it's better and it's Aaron P beware of bottlenecks thank you very much Thank You Aaron all right it is frickin 8:20 this has been an extended version of awesome hardware and we're all done for now so thank you guys so much for watching if you did enjoy hit the thumbs up button of course if you missed the first half it's on Kyle's channel so a link to that is in the description and we love you all yes we'll be back 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