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flesh-eating zombies like humans are better yep they're smarter okay moving on whoa sorry whoa oh here oh no whoa whoa it always makes me nervous when I see him charge he was fast it's like oh my god that's a lot of force just coming towards you here is a he's about a hundred pounds now he's actually over a hundred pounds now he's his pit bull Mastiffs he's just pure muscle as he says he just appear much like someone just extracted you know Arnold Schwarzenegger zaps he and turned it into a dog he's got a big old dome like his head is just massive and a helmet he's an American he can be intimidating when he comes running along at you all right let's see this is wrong let's just totally wrong I gotta change this oh there's oh what's their first something out and a big fucking nowhere there goes our first segment for today's cryptocurrency and we're gonna talk about cryptocurrency just a little bit and the first story is from the verge all the stories we're talking about today by the way are linked in the video description down below so check it out if you want to read more coinbase though which is a very popular and oft used crypto currency trading websites and repository has told 13,000 users that their data will be sent to the IRS soon so if you are a coin base member or user then you might already be aware of this but it's actually goes back to in November 2016 court order from the IRS originated from the IRS which has handed up to 13,000 customers or basically directed the heiress or directed coin base to give the IRS 13,000 customers data and it will be complied with according to this article within 21 days this article was posted yesterday so 20 days left I suppose anyone who bought Bitcoin or more specifically completed transactions totaling more than 20 thousand dollars through their accounts in a single year so twenty thousand dollars worth of transactions within a single year qualifies you for a frequent enough user of coin base to have been reported to the IRS through this court order again the dates are from 2013 to 2015 and they're specifically the IRS looking after are looking for people who are evading cryptocurrency taxes because depending on like how much money you've made from cryptocurrency and when it happens and whether you bought crypto and then it increased in value once you've sold it or whether you mined it there's different tax requirements for claiming that money that you made because if you made money then you're supposed to tell the IRS you made that money and possibly pay taxes on it if you in the US right of course if you are not sure about this and you're like maybe I did use that well first off if you if you use coinbase you should have got an email by now they've emailed people just recently letting them know that they will be sending their information to the IRS and if they do that then you're probably gonna want to make sure that you've claimed any money you've made through coinbase or I mean you should claim money that you make in general you should right go by the laws that the IRS has for paying taxes and stuff and but what I wanted to say was the article link to the description has a link down bottom which is talking about in 2018 it seems like there's more of a push for this because Krypto has become more popular but this link where it says it's a good time to be extra careful about compliance goes to a secondary article on the verge about how to file your income taxes on Bitcoin in 2018 and this is a little bit more data about documenting stuff and where to report Bitcoin income and and you know how you actually got it depending how is it how its tax depending on the source of the of the profit and that kind of thing so right there's like there needs to be a lot of update videos now to all of the how long does it take to make your money back or you know gain a profit from from Bitcoin from from crypto mining I feel like a lot of those videos are not taking taxes into account that's true so that's that's interesting yeah I mean hey it's money should be taxed yeah something akin to capital gains tax for in some situations but again it depends on how you made money from cryptocurrency mm-hmm and more details on that article all right John petty research has just as of yesterday posted a report on q4 as well as some numbers on 2017 jpr does analysis of technology and market sales that kind of thing excuse me year to date I'm sorry you two-year total GPS chip mints decreased 4.8% so 4.8% down graphics card sales desktop graphics are down 2% 2% notebook graphics sales down 7% well what do you think of that Kyle I'm kind of not surprised at all by the desktop graphics little dip and desktop more so in notebooks well that's that also not surprising but it is interesting to see that notebooks have decreased but I feel like it's it's sort of like acclimated like we've kind of plateaued where everyone's got a freaking notebook at this point and there haven't been any huge strides in notebook knowledge if you're looking at a market place where the the available graphics like the the mobile graphics the graphics cards that you might get in a notebook that would have a discrete graphics card in it have been out for a while so you're looking at maybe a little bit of saturation to some degree where people who might have invested in a gaming laptop maybe they're already satisfied with what they have because there hasn't been any major advancements or launches right in that space so that's maybe switch also means that vendors aren't advertising their older products as much you know me like their marketing spend is probably not as high now when they're on the tail end of the the current generation of technology that they're on and they're probably gearing up for the next wave and they're gonna push that even harder so I feel like maybe they're just not you know but also might have something to do with it the fact that we're not being marketed these newer current gen CPUs and GPUs that have been out for a year or more now so that's possibly it's not too surprising I think we're just kind of in a lull overall PC market desktop market desktop or mobile we're coming a little in-between this sort of you know transitionary period between generations if there's a lull in desktop sales it might be expected to continue this year but more on that in a minute to bring this back around to why we're including this in the cryptocurrency section there's a article on wucf tech about the jpr article which has a little bit more analysis son did this article and 3 million graphics cards is I found this interesting in the jpr article and I tried to redo this to find see if there is any indication as to how they determine this but they're very specifically say over 3 million add-in boards were sold to cryptocurrency miners worth seven hundred and seventy six million dollars in 2017 AMD was a primary benefactor of these sales they have some numbers to back it up here I don't know how they determine that a GPU that was sold was sold specifically to a cryptocurrency miner I'm not sure how they're saying how they they're separating that I mean I thought the article might have something it didn't seem to specify that I I mean Jay Baer is pretty well respected so I have to assume it's true but I just I'd be interested to see how they determined that this sale went to a crypto minor versus the sale that went to maybe anyone buying over two GPUs at a time yeah they might be looking at sales that kind of thing maybe companies that are selling directors yeah it's hard to say because I feel like most people most miners or most people who were into mining who were trying to get their foot in the mining wouldn't just buy one or two gee maybe two but wouldn't just buy one GPU if they're going through all that trouble they're probably trying to rack up you know a couple of graphics cards to get the highest hashed rate or whatever it is when I well they're figuring you know well now it's a Fry's a week we could to ago and that's walking in the dude was walking out did I mention this last week I feel I could I didn't I don't think so dude was walking out with a shopping cart with a bunch of graphics cards in it and I looked he punched him in the face that one over here and I punched him know I had in the balls I know like it first does kind of like bemused by it right and I've looked at it I didn't like go up close to it but I'm pretty sure there were 10 70s I'm pretty sure swanky they were GTX 10 70s in it but then we went in because we were going in to buy a computer case but I wanted to look at the graphics cards just to see like you know empty shelves or if they had anything or whatever and there's nothing never certainly no 10 70s or 10 70 TI's so I was like how did that guy just walk out with the shopping cart full right 10 70s maybe and my mind started going with speculation of like did he somehow know when they were gonna get a shipment in maybe was he just lucky to be there and be like oh my gosh they actually have these in stock they were selling for well over MSRP that 10 70s that were that had the stickers there we're selling I think for seven or eight hundred bucks each so he certainly bought them at that price but that's yes 15 there were probably somewhere but like eight or eight or ten I mean it was definitely a stack of graphics cards a minute the only other GPUs that were in stock were 10 30s that were there anyway moving on though there is there was a couple of things I was gonna mention about this Andy market share has increased when it comes to GPUs in q3 was at 13% and keep for q4 jumped up to 14.2% which is an eight point one percent increase so despite the like I don't feel like many gamers have actually got their hands on like a Vega 56 or Vega 64 but according to this market share has increased for them there was one like little tidbit in here that I felt like it was kind of a kind of a bit of hope perhaps a quote from the article that said we expect demand to slacken from the minors as margins drop in response to increasing utility costs and supply and demand forces to drive up AME prices so that's specifically saying is increasing utility costs I don't know how much that mean better well how much like the you if you're mining then that's using up electricity and your electricity has to come from somewhere so you wanna get a utility utility bills that but then there's also the like mining difficulty that increases over time depending on what what cryptocurrency you're talking about and that kind of thing so I'm not sure thing so they don't mean like you know that the rates for electricity are going up they just mean if you start mining you'll be paying more for your electricity bill every month which I think most miners understand yeah already yeah we get it we know we're gonna be paying more for electricity every month so I don't know how that's like that's gonna motive like cause people to stop mining I don't it's not just that's like common knowledge it just comes with the territory that I'm gonna pay more for my electricity yes if like if I were to look forward to domains lacking for graphics cards from miners it would probably be because difficulty of mining is it goes up over time so if you're not making as much money from the graphics cards that you have employed in your mining rig then you're interested in buying more is probably gonna wait yeah and at a certain point you might reach a threshold where you start reducing the number of cards you're mining with if it doesn't make sense when it comes to how much you're paying for your utility costs but there's also this possibility of like other like new crypto currencies come about all the time right mm-hmm like aetherium obviously is one of the most popular or most effective currencies that's mined with graphics cards right now but new cryptocurrency has come about that gained in popularity and value might suddenly introduce a new you know a difference Avenue to direct your your mining power down the use wrong term if you can switch over to a different cryptocurrency that suddenly you're mining power is more effective at than you know you're not mm-hmm you're not suffering that drop off yeah I guess as menacing more efficient for your your sign up or whatever yes okay I got you anyway point being lots of graphics cards were purchased by cryptocurrency miners in 2017 and this article is a bit of direct proof of that probably is a lot of us assume that anyway given current prices and whatnot right if you were not into cryptocurrency mining at all you might still have done some crypto mining and that might have just happened by going to a website that has a bad service that has an ad that gets fed that gets served to you that loads up say Java Script or something that initiates a mining on your CPU using your extra CPU cycles this has been happening for a little while now and it's become more prevalent but in some ways also actually if you go all the way to the bottom of this article they have a little bit I found this interesting like how much do people actually make from having a website with ads to get served on it that do crypto mining and there is a follow-up post on ARS technica that is linked here from back in September where they did a very small site experimenting with binding and a thousand visits per day and a 55 second average and the site made 36 cents per day which was four to five times less than it made running regular ads so obviously it's probably no depends on your traffic and everything whether it would make sense for you to even engage in this type of activity if you were the you know if you run a website or something like that but there's so many the point is the limit yeah and for most for most of us I personally get kind of irritated at something like this like I don't want some random website I go to to suddenly have access to the hardware capabilities of the system that I felt right like right and I certainly don't want suddenly it to be using more power that I have to pay for exactly to mine for somebody else like that's a pretty crappy - so yeah obviously this among other crappy advertising techniques is the reason why ad blockers have become very popular we use ad blockers as we're showing you guys a lot of the websites that we visits during the live show primarily to prevent any sort of redirects ads that kind of thing from popping up however we are at least I could say I and I think catalyst - if you go to a website commonly or a YouTube channel or something like that remember that a lot of the Internet is still ad supported a lot of the free content that's available in the Internet still relies on ads so whitelisting is something that you can do to give a little bit back to the websites and content sources that you go to without hopefully making yourself susceptible to this type of thing anyway yeah before I move on and I think we should open these beers second wind here we come oh these are so good these beers are so good dessert this is left hand brewing left hand very a little stout nitro um I picked these up a total wine the other day gotta get that bottle up I didn't open your cell just look at the bottle while you drink these are nitrogen I'd never had a bottled nitro before until this but they're delicious Cheers been working on our praying techniques yep really good at pouring now satisfying and that's how you pour beer that's how you should pour every beer every beer pour that way no these specifically are meant to be poured hard means straight down that's a hard pour just to it engage that nitro effect and you can sort of see it it's perfectly fine it's doing its thing giving us a nice level it's headed there I'm sure a lot of you guys freaked out right there but after that everything's cool after that I had was that last week or the yeah yeah occasionally we have we have a challenging time pouring beer on the show but anyway let's move on oh yeah cheers Cheers guys so if a website that you're visiting is using your CPU to mine while you browse that sucks and you might employ an ad blocker to prevent it's however some miners are employing a trick to to circumvent that and it was actually first popularized by botnet software to bypass ad blocking basically it's using domain name algorithms which is software derived means for creating a nearly unlimited number of unique domain names ab blockers often rely on blocking an ad source domain but this circumvent set by creating a virtually unlimited number of randomly created domains that the ad can then source that that can be sourced from which might not be blacks are listed in the list of blocked domains by your ad blocker the research reference in the article was done by net lab 360 researcher zhang zifang who said that some of these domain name algorithm based crypto mining ads have been in operation since mid-2017 he said the number of people being redirected to the algorithmically generated domains appears to be significant one don't domain which is basically a bunch of random letters com was number 1999 in the Alexa website ranking so to get within the top two thousand websites visited by Alex s simply by being a randomly redirected ad probably being served to who knows what websites the algorithmically generated domain eventually calls coin coin hive calm coin I'm calm and depending on what software you're using it may or may not actually be able to block that they specifically quote from Jerome Segura who's the lead malware analyst from for malwarebytes I've used malwarebytes before I think it's pretty solid software he said from malwarebytes users it doesn't matter because we can block either the ad network or the coin hive call so either way they're able to block it but in any case there's a little bit more detail in the article if you guys want to go into it like I said it follows up with some of the stuff like how much how much how much for people who are engaging in this activity actually profiting in it yeah doesn't necessarily seem like it's that much simply because people don't necessarily sit on websites that long right but obviously people are trying it and it does seem to be unethical at best so it's certainly something that's people should be aware of trying to block oh god this is what you sound like Paul how did that even clicking oh it did that again your your rocket into my own of them that's not the time that's the onus jo-jo so Joey is this mouse befriend he has the rocket software and he like reprograms everything so now like I was using this bus and I had one I had one profile set up on it that it just always used and it was like fine and that has like and now are the cards and now all 15 buttons open up pornhub like just no matter what you do left and right clarity but just open up pornhub but there's certain times it's like they're deeply I can tell cuz the color changed like I did I scrolled the mouse the I spelled the wheel and it changed the volume what that's what that's what just happened Wow from you to I feel like I usually need scroll way more than I need that still did it especially because I have a volume knob on my keyboard what so that just instantly takes your volume to 100 or just unmutes what's going on yeah it still it still it still volume you just scroll all the way down weird how does he scroll then that drives me crazy how does he scroll that's how does it Joe it seems a scroll it's like if I accidentally hit the profile change button it messes with everything next time oh I'm over at Joe's is basically next time of Joe's has my goes webpage all right now scroll down I just want to see what it does basically arrow keys alright let's move on here for net watch wait no we're not to now watch it wait now we're it now watch mints damn it what are we doing that watch ready to go ATG it's all good watch is Antoinette watch he Scrolls just wait while the or the hard drive wakes up that has the image stored on it there it is net watch all righty time for net watch where we talk about the internet and stuff so first off net neutrality we've talked a lot about the fight for it in the u.s. that's gone on over the past amount of time and stuff and late 2017 the we lost and and and the FCC was like hey we don't care what anyone says we're gonna give it a net neutrality so um lots of internet service providers when this happened or when the debate was ongoing about it made some pretty you know like publicly flowery statements such as AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson saying last year we don't block websites we don't censor online contents and we don't throttle discriminate or degrade network performance based on content just based on money and they they then they're there Twitter tweeted stuff like that and all that kind of stuff but um just show everyone that's that was all I was all bullshit basically and that pretty quickly within a relatively short period of time afterwards they're going to actually start doing things that violate net neutrality or net neutrality actually is AT&T has started to rollouts internet fast lanes in the form of zero rated content so on Friday just this last week four days ago eighteen T sent texts of customers explaining how they are expanding their sponsored data program to allow other companies to sponsor data sponsored data plans mean that the companies pay AT&T to have their content streamed up to 18 T customers devices without hitting against their data plans right now though there's only three services using 18 T sponsored data program those happen to be DirecTV u-verse and fullscreen which are all services that are owned by AT&T so when it comes to discriminating against contents pretty much the base definition of that if some content that you can access via your data plan on your cell phone or whatever you have it counts against your data cap and others does not that's discrimination discriminating against and the content there so whereas zero-rating has maintained some popularity and there's different ways to implement it this mess is just freaking out I just could kill them out what's wrong with it this is this certainly is is a violation of that an AT&T proving pretty quickly that they do intend to have to have recites and David Street sites and data differently yes attempts to connects too much to download or that's really fuckin shitty yeah Wow now does this apply to home Internet or is this already only talking about mobile here oh wow this mouse is terrible now your knit and I need to read is dying hey missus can you hand me the yogi and 565 oh yeah that works this specimen I like this mess are you - of course sir I'm 65 everyone was I talking about neutrality neutrality there are two major consequences to this one is that the FTC no no no I scroll down I'm on the next arrabal all right no that's all I had to say about that and ATT is is already starting to do a prioritized service for certain data that you might access oh all right aren't we still waiting on like lawsuits to follow through like on people suing like yes we're degree neutrality hasn't officially died yet that's it well actually just a few days ago in a neutrality the like sozin was at November late November early December when the FCC actually made their decision it was actually applied like two or three days ago or for within the past week mm-hmm but there's a 60-day period right now where there's a chance for a review - possibly mm-hmm it could possibly be reversed by congressional review so does that mean within these next 60 days net neutrality is dead but it could potentially come back yeah but you're getting we're getting ahead of ourselves okay before we talk about that let's talk this AT&T has lost a years-long quest to cripple FTC authority over telecoms and this story I wanted to talk about a little bit because there's some new aughts to this there are two sides to it and whereas you might at first read this story and read that the FTC is very properly holding a teen teen accountable for what they did several years back they promised unlimited data to wireless customers they had contracts that said you get unlimited data you wireless customers it was however shit once those wireless customers to cross to certain thresholds which was not disclosed to them 18t throttled their speeds by as much as 90% so when you're told like hey this plan that you're signing up for has unlimited data or whatever and then unbeknownst to you there is some threshold that you can cross where suddenly your data speeds go to crap yeah that's kind of crappy AT&T has been fighting this for a while they claimed that the FTC has no jurisdiction over the company because the FTC is specifically barred from regulating common carriers this is also known an interesting case because it initially started in 2014 which which was before the FCC started classified Internet service providers is coming in carriers in 2015 from 2015 to 2017 they're common carriers title two now they've been switching back to side one and net neutrality is in effect so this it kind of straddles that on both sides which I don't know how much that affects the actual decision-making going on but US law does prevent the FCC from regulating common carriers the FTC yes I'm sorry the FTC Federal Trade Commission but the immunity from FTC regulations applies only to the extent that a common carrier was engaging in common carrier services so as I was starting to say before there are two major consequences to this the first is that the FTC's lot to lawsuit against AT&T can proceed so the FTC is holding AT&T accountable for what they said they do for customers in this case which is good that potentially allows the FTC to get refunds for AT&T customers whose mobile internet plans were startled so if you were one of those customers and you know maybe you'll get a refund or credit or something like that we'll see how that goes second part though is that this decision affirms the FTC's authority to regulate broadband providers even when those providers offer separate common carrier services such as landline or mobile phone service so AT&T provides some services that are classified as common carriers such as a direct phone service to your house they are also providing service that is not classified as common carrier right such as a AMT you know solar cell phone plan and that kind of thing or an amendment or an internet plan yeah so because they straddle both this affirms that the FCC can regulate them within that nation or that's able to regulate however before anyone gets too happy about the FCC to doing their job here please bear in mind that FCC Chairman Ajit PI you're probably familiar with you watch the show applauded this court ruling which might make you think twice about it depending on your opinions of Pi what he said about this is kind of deceptive though what he said is that what what he wants what a G PI has said before when when it comes to the FCC and then being like hey we don't need to have rules that keep Internet service providers from enforcing that neutrality we'll just believe that to that you know look to let the market handle that they would say that the FTC is in a position to do something about this however the FTC is more of a as the way that they're structured they don't have any specific net neutrality rules the FTC does not have any guidelines that say here's how these Internet service providers should act what the FTC the FTC can do is if the internet service provider promises you something if they say that we're gonna give you this unlimited internet and we're not gonna throttle you or they provide a contract to you that says net neutrality is very important to us and we're always going to uphold it or whatever then the FTC has the authority to enforce it after the fact and please bear in mind this is coming through right now when the actual transgressions occurred in 2014 three four years ago so right you're talking about enforcing after the fact versus creating rules that prevent something from happening right in the first place yeah yes so FTC can't force the ice piece to behave a certain way that can only make sure that they keep true to their promises of whatever the fuck they want if they made those promise if they made those promises right which right now and they're signing the contract they may or may not make those promises and the contractor that'll make sense like that so this is why if you're reading something that says all right this shows that the FTC should be able to handle net neutrality that's not true right the FTC should be able to hold companies accountable for promising customers or something and they're not following through on it but obviously this yeah yeah anyway I was gonna say some poignant closing statement there but the FTC is like a parole officer they can't really force you to not do bad shit they can only check up on you and and try to see if you were keeping your promises but there's no way for them to actually enforce it that'd be like you're like your wife your wife would be the one I don't know where I'm going I've decided not to scrutinize your analogy nope you're right and just nod this so I feel best yeah okay let the internet decide moving on though today was classified as a net neutrality day of action and if you are on the social medias at all or Twitter you might have seen some hashtags going around fro for net neutrality day of action if you're not familiar with what exactly people were talking about there's a little bit more detail on that now this article from Gizmodo is just right in the title talking about democrats unveiling a plan to save net neutrality or make republicans look bad while trying i want to take a moment to reset i I wish net neutrality wasn't being divided on party lines because honestly it doesn't my feel like there's some fundamental like like principles that Republicans like tend to cherish that that fall in line with like what net neutrality is like that makes sense to me so it doesn't I don't understand why it needs to be divided it seems to be the Republican side of of Congress and the Senate that seems to be so anti net neutrality money that said that said money is the answer you know we can we can at least look at what's going on right now when it comes to practically speaking what the outcome is going to be so as mentioned just recently the FCC actually engaged they like it there's always multiple steps to this type of thing but they basically hit the Go button on the restoring Internet freedom order which was their name for the thing that they did to kill net neutrality they call it restoring Internet freedom because they like to name things things that are completely opposite of what they actually do what happened today was a bunch of Democratic lawmakers formally introduced legislation to say of net neutrality via a resolution that would reverse the restoring Internet freedom order and they're doing this through what's called the congressional review act the CRA this allows Congress to overturn agency regulations from agencies such as the FCC in order to do this they need 51 votes in the Senate right now they have 50 so they're looking for one more senator one more Republican senator specifically to decide that net neutrality is more important than following their party line and to you to join up with people who are trying to save net neutrality all 49 members of the Democratic caucus which includes two independents as well as Maine Republican senator Susan Collins are part of this group who is pushing to use the Congressional review act to overturn the restoring Internet freedom order but all things said and all things considered this is probably mostly something that's more of an active more of a statement than something that's actually going to get anything done because it would need to go through the Senate as well as the house and in the house they still need something like 100 members of the House to to change their mind there because and the house there's a lot more there's a lot more more House members of the house and their members senators everyone knows how the US government works right okay also I do even assuming it did get passed the house Trump would need to also sign its and not veto it and who knows what he would decide to do there so chances are this as it's being put forth right now won't go through but it does mean that people are still pushing and trying to preserve net neutrality because a lot of people still think it's important we hope that you guys have learned more about net neutrality by watching this show if you have and you're feeling compelled to contact your members of Congress whether they be members of the House of the Senate then feel free to go ahead and do that aside from all this though there is still hope because there are several internet rights groups as well as 23 state attorneys general who have sued the FCC over the passage of the restoring Internet freedom order there have been sort of ongoing accusations of possible like like a Jeep I just got a donation of a rifle from the NRA for some random reason he got a donation rifle yeah the NRA was like hey you helped save the Internet so here's a rifle but we can't actually show it because that would actually break the rules but we're promising you this rifle and when you're able to accept it then you can accept it which is kind of weird anyway point is there's a lot of scrutiny going on right now and if anything untoward has happened or especially illegal or especially anyone who's making decisions on the behalf of a large corporation or their own personal interests versus the interests of most Americans then we hope that it will be discovered and something will be done about it anyway let's move on because it's easy to get to check and admire when you're interfering into that territory let's let's talk about what's news oh yeah just news this tech news just tech news in general and yeah so I was originally gonna include this little bits in the in the cryptocurrency segments but I decided not to simply because it's and give you more articles for this segment helped me spray yeah help me spread everything out really but hardware solar mass drop says in video predicts draft graphics cards prices will continue to go up through the year know this articles from PC gamer is originated from mass drop and that is theoretically from Nvidia but you should bear in mind when you're reading about this information where it actually comes from so mass drop they if you're not familiar with mass trap they they sell stuff they get a bunch of people to go in and all decide to buy a thing together and they able to buy that for a lower price but you don't get the thing immediately it's not like you go and agree to buy that thing and then it gets shipped to you use it it's like they'll have it open for a couple weeks or something like that bunch of people will agree to buy a thing the more people that agree to buy that thing they look new prop them that will lower the price because more people are buying it but you have to wait like til the drop ends and then usually it's one to two weeks or take depending on the everything after that that you actually get the product often it's a really cool way to buy something for cheaper than you would normally pay just standard MSRP and they've been doing stuff with graphics cards including like a 1080 TI now 1080i should sell for seven-date hundred dollars so a mass trap for a 1080 TI for nine hundred and fifty bucks is maybe not that exciting to you but they're doing it nonetheless and apparently they're still selling them maybe because of all those cryptocurrency miners that we've talked about back in the cryptocurrency segment but it is important to know where this article is originating from which is a discussion thread on the gtx 980ti drop and specifically a quote from tech community lead Bratt Brian Hutchins from master up so he's a master up employee but he was referring to when Nvidia came to visit mass drop headquarters so there's a little bit of like hearsay involved here but if I can assume that what Nvidia said to Brian was accurate and that he's relaying it to us accurately what a video was saying is that they're not expecting graphics card prices to drop anytime soon and in fact they're expecting increases according to the article through q3 through q3 to me me since August September yeah which is most of this here which is not good news for anyone who is considering buying a graphics card the causes for the current shortages according to the quotes are from these fancy new cell phones the new cell phones coming up from Apple Samsung and others last year started using the same memory as graphics cards Apple and Samsung are willing to pay more for this memory this has created a shortage of memory for the much smaller companies like MSI gigabyte Asus and EVGA to make graphics cards stop what I just told you has a clarification here that you should keep in mind most cell phones pretty much all smartphones the the anyone who discussed this technology is currently aware of don't use gddr5 or gddr5 X memory the memory that would be used in graphics card the graphics cards excuse me yeah they use ddr4 ddr4 L memory gddr5 and gddr5 X is a fast memory but it's not necessarily geared towards efficiency and efficiency is what you wanted in cell phones so these people are lying to there's not necessarily a direct correlation between ddr4 and ddr4 l usage with smartphones and a shortage of the graphics memory that specifically used some graphics cards however the speculation of the article is that DRAM manufacturers have been shifting production from gddr5 to these ddr4 variants in order to meet the demand of cell phone manufacturers who might be willing to pay more money for them now I don't know enough about the fabrication of memory to know if there's just some sort of switch you can flip at the fab it's like oh we're we're we're cranking out the DDR from the gddr5 boss and like oh we would maybe want ddr4 all right you know and then suddenly you're producing like I'm getting these more complexity to it to it than that probably but there may be some viability to the you know a fad being able to switch from one type to another since it is memory and there is some similarity at the base level so all that said crappy news and it sucks that's like the speculation is that DRAM manufacturers might be shifting their their manufacturing from gddr5 to ddr4 causing shortage of gddr5 memory and gddr5 X memory causing the prices for those to go up causing nvidia as well as they're adding board partners to raise the base level price of their graphics cards right that's on top of the increased demand of the graphics cards from cryptocurrency miners who might be buying them all up it's even the lower MSRP anyway so sorry that my first bit of news here is was bad news let's move PC gamer did ask him video about Nvidia said no comment so we don't know maybe it's all BS sure that the person who's smoking the articles fired okay let's talk about a rumor from WC CF Tech and rumor rumor rumor rumor rumor maybe maybe possibly not true who knows but we'll still talk about it a little bit anyway we talked about this a bit last week and the basic idea is that right right now we have NVIDIA Pascal based graphics cards that are on the market the 10 series the GTX 1080 and 1080i and 1070 and so forth are based on Pascal architecture 16 nanometer manufacturing process however NVIDIA has volta and they already have products based on volt I like the Titan V Balto's manufactured on 12 nanometer and Volta sauce also a new architecture and the expectation has been that Volta will also become available in the mainstream graphics market as well the speculation and the article and the rumor is that one they're expecting a new graphics card launched from AMD fairly soon specifically a March 26 to 29 AMD I'm stood exa AMD Nvidia yeah my bad they're expecting in a video launch of new graphics cards March 26th to 29th hgtc the GeForce technology conference at Nvidia holds every year which is fairly soon that's about a month from now but also beyond that these are going to be what's called ampere Kurtz and ampere we first sort of talked about a little bit last week being the rumored codename for a new GPU architecture which has not been previously disclosed by Nvidia at all like there has never there are no Nvidia like you'll see Nvidia you know roadmaps like slides that get published at the tech events that they have in that kind of thing where they say all right here's what here's what we're looking at in the future and you can see like volta on there and you can you can see Pascal Volta and Peter has never appeared on any official Nvidia documentation doesn't mean that it's not happening doesn't mean that's not happening and the article points out that's it has been a frequent subject of leaks and rumors so take that for what it's worth so the saw that one fan in my half the show is asking about right do you believe that new geforce cards are coming out in the next month yes he was talking about the amperior yeah this is very specifically so ampere is well that's actually touring right there so Turing and ampere are the two code names that are getting tossed around right now and the idea seems to be that there will be no consumer-based Volta GPUs they're gonna they're gonna leapfrog Volta and that there's going to be a 12 nanometer and peer architecture which maybe is a Volta variation or maybe a refinement of Volta specifically made to be good at gaming yeah and that's again for gaming GPUs as well as a 12 nanometer touring based set of GPUs and that's crypto analyst Alan Alan Turing right there and the touring GPUs would be a completely new architecture that would be optimized for AI and machine learning the cards that are rumored to be launched next month would be based on GA 104 G forced and peer 104 which would be the success for successor to GP 104 which is what like ten eighty and ten seventy are based on and so the G a 104 would have expected performance similar to like a 1080i but it would be the same size as like the GP 104 so it would be the small chip and then maybe if they continue with what they've done in the past that needs expect to see a ga 102 at some point in the future that you would have a next-gen ti you know 1080 TI level card based on but of course again all this is speculation how does Nvidia or any GP manufacture for that matter hype up a GPU launch right now because I feel like the one thing they had going for them for the 10 series was we have a 1080 the GTX 10 I still remember that launch they're like where did we launch it for like $4.99 MSRP and everyone went buck wild but like how do they hype this up for us now when they're like this is a cut next level next generation graphics card selling it for a low low price of $9.99 like that's what the the new 10a B is going to be like how how do they ever get that like I'm not sure because there's there's there's the pricing that is the inflated cryptocurrency affected pricing and then there's the more reasonable like there's people who are who when they're selling 10 70s for 400 bucks and 10 80s for 600 bucks and 1080 T is for 7 or 800 bucks system and Titans for a thousand there are people who would think that that is too much money but obviously NVIDIA is able to sell them for that much so you know that that seems to be a balance in the market to some degree like they're there there's their moving product at that price I guess it's balance so as the miners think that's a great deal and the gamers think that's a shit deal and so it averages out to like a matte but itis but I feel so I mean but but the influence of mining is something that is it's it's like potentially fickle you're not sure if it's going to stay there or not so as Nvidia is launching products later this year I'm sure they're probably having this discussion internally as well it's like how do we address this to people do we list a sane and reasonable MSRP that falls in line with the ones that we've done in the past when cryptocurrency wasn't a thing and wasn't factoring in on the price but then of course when the products launched they're actually gonna sell for more than that or do we suddenly inflate our MSRP s by 2 or 300 bucks because we know that's what the products are gonna sell for in the current marketplace it's I don't like I don't know I don't know how they can handle that and I don't know I don't know what they're gonna do I mean I hope they stick with the lower prices just because that sort of to some degree reinforces that this is what those products should cost right but who knows you know also listed in the rumors in the article did I mention that this was sourced from tweak town by the way me yeah you might have mentioned it hey Anthony posted the since week ten it was this is all sourced from some friend of Anthony's on tweet ten that's like literally where it comes from he's like it's like some inside scoop friend but Anthony has lots of connections so we'll give it as a fitted the doubt there supposedly going to be using Samsung's new 16 gigabit per second GDD are six memory so that's cool and then of course we have no idea what the names are actually going to be what's been tossed around is a GTX 2082 follow ups the GTX 1080 but it could just as easily be the gtx 1180 because they've gone you know 789 they didn't was there I may be naive e9e 1080 1180 right or 2080 who knows accompany a 2080 it could be 1180 stones maybe a 2070 or 1170 or they could just decide this entire naming scheme we're gonna go with already called the GTX 1 start over just started with one like Xbox simplify things anyway though GTC starts March 26 ends March 29th so by the end of this month we should hopefully have an answer one way or the other let's move on to this little story from the Mobile World Congress which is going on right now this is from NN techcom and WD Western Digital has demoed a crazy fast SD card with a PCI Express by one interface 880 megabytes per second read speed on an SD card that's really fast I can say as someone who records 4k video with some degree of regularity I want this but see even USB 3 doesn't saturate that you'd have to get I guess USB 3.1 gen2 PCE right but then wouldn't you still have to like I mean how would you capture this Oh we'll see there's the other huzzle there you go that is the other half of it right there so this was a demo that they set up at Mobile World Congress which again is going on right now in Barcelona Spain españa and yeah they use an MDOT to to SD adapter with an SD card so there's an SD card there's the adapter m2m that - of course pipes directly into PCIe lanes so that's the basic you know physical arrangement of it again the speeds they were they were showing off as being tested at the demo with crystal disk mark where 880 megabytes per second peak sequential reads 430 megabytes per second peak sequential writes so definitely a fall off and writes there but still not not not shabby at all well within the range of a very high-end SSD which is super nice for an SD card they used the existing UHS 2 and UHS 3 pins on the SD card to construct a pcie 3.0 by one interface with the system so basically they just connected those contact points to the PCIe contact points they used a mechanical adapter for it presumably they also used a PCIe voltage they use a converter to convert the the standard PCIe voltage to be compatible with the SD card WD said they have no immediate product based on this they just wanted to do a proof of concept and this falls in line with the SD card Association calling on the industry to adopt a PCIe adopt PCIe as a standard interface and support development of a complete SD PCIe standard key features would include using existing form factors so it's not like you'd have a different shape or size of SD card or anything like that you'd be using existing tooling and that kind of thing it would use the PCI in a PCIe interface with the nvme protocol much like modern MDOT - SSDs do and it would support legacy SD interface as well for backwards compatibility you can boot off of an SD card potentially yeah yeah that's cool yeah that or I mean just the the ability to cuz I mean these are you so frequently now for like really high density high so does that mean the SD card itself is like a new wave of SD card oh yeah nvme if it's PCIe supported yeah you need I mean you're still using NAND memory and the SS and in the drop in the SD card itself these will still be those new cameras like that every theoretically yet if it's backwards compatibility then you could potentially have a car s D card that comes out like this that you can plug into a an existing camera that'll read and write it at modern-day speeds but if you were to take it and plug it into you know an adapter like this then it could read it right right what what I find interesting about this is that like my own personal experience with SD cards is that I use them for for video when I'm when I'm recording videos for the channel and I'm curious to see if capturing it with one of these SD cards like if the ingestion process would be that much faster through the PCIe interface yeah then then USB because you're your captain a much lower read and write speed than a turn 80 megabyte per second I think the fastest SD cards right now oh yeah it says right here you'd be able to use uhs-1 goes all the way up to six hundred and twenty four megabytes per second full duplex I'm sorry at UHS three so capturing up would be faster with these oh yeah definitely and it does look like there's a slightly different layout here for the contact point saying you'd also have to remove your your your tempered glass side panel every time you wanted to capture footage uh yeah or maybe there's a pass through like an adapter needed a hotspot right and not to envy me hot spot in cases now that's the next thing where you can just pop I could see like a ste card you know like an expansion slot a rear expansion slot with a little ribbon that goes over the m dot too so there's something Meimei I don't know this that's that's a possibility but ya thought that was kind of fancy all right speaking of the Mobile World Congress and there's one more article linked in the description from storage review about these new microSD cards a little bit more information on there as well as WD launching some full nvme SSDs that they have just been working on so it's good to see Western Digital getting into this space I know some of their first forays into making SSDs were not that awesome but the pcs n 720 is what they were talking about their capacities up to 2 terabytes sequential reads up to 3400 so clauncher writes up to 2800 and random reads and writes at 500 and 400,000 I ops respectively which is all pretty nice pretty nice pics yeah they going all right that's all I have for my regular content for today so we are gonna really quickly read down donation comments so thanks to guys who have donated bark me $10 hashtag gargle your granny granny well I mean really not good because we invented it as I'll say it's it's a new sensation sweeping the world my favorite pastime activity thank you very much Park can hide $12 recommendation for case to match my end to elite will be Neffs unread need room for EA tx5 hard drives one SSD the King and through primo thoughts a case to match your into elite what do you mean by matching your into lead if you only need 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