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in-depth conversation about some of the stuff that's been happening happening in the tech world just recently I've been asked about many of these things on the Twitter's yes and we'll start off with the big one that just dropped today this was a security flaw with AMD processors AMD Rison processors that was disclosed by a research a security company called CTS labs now I want to say please read everything or listen to everything about this story before passing judgment and freaking out about your new AMD Rison processor because this is somewhat scurrilous the at least the the origins or at least if not the origins at least the way that this has been brought for us to people and an informed to AMD as well as to the public has been pretty Shady at least by the company responsible that's not to say that there is no legitimacy to these potential flaws however usually if you have say something like the Spector vulnerability inspector and meltdown right typically if you're a security researcher you would give the company who's in charge of that software or hardware whatever you're looking into a vulnerability for some kind of window in order to prepare themselves before you go public with whatever flaw you have found usually it's 90 days sometimes 60 days in this case they gave Andy 24 hours Wow and you had 24 hours notice so like literally yesterday Andy found out about this that's really not any time at all and today the research the security company cts labs which was based in Israel published a white paper identifying four classes of potential vulnerabilities that affect Rison epic Rison Pro and rise in mobile processor lines now apart from the really really really short amount of time in that AMD was given which is really crappy that's a stupid thing to do it's late that's lame there there are tons of other just really shady things going on with this so I'll just start with the like that I'm going to start with the conclusion at least the conclusion that I have come to which is that there is a company involved here called Viceroy research they have a history of doing things to affect stock values and then attempting to profit from it so here's what you have a short sale situation where they knew they had this information that was potentially damaging to AMD they stored it up they created a website they built it there was very very obvious like premeditated stuff going into the setup for this including the website that was created including the video that they published on YouTube which has a bunch of issues with it as well like they knew about this way way more than 24 hours prior and yet they gave AMD 24 hours and they were attempting at least according to a lot of the speculation from people who have been talking about this to affect AMD stock price in a way that they could profit from it mmm so yeah they even hired a PR firm to deal with incoming requests for information after they published this the website they created for specifically that goes over the vulnerabilities I'm not even gonna show you guys but it's called AMD flaws com it was registered by Viceroy Research through a one of the the like a the shell company or the the Registrar masking companies so you can actually tell tell what it is CTS research research itself the company that supposedly did all of this was founded only seven months ago and has published zero like actual documentation of any they've done nothing prior to this this company was created and this is the only thing that they have done so that's kind of crappy too if you guys are interested there's four or five different links in this video's I have links to all the stories I'm talking about in the video description on YouTube guys so if you want to check it out there's also a link to the AMD subreddit now please may I remind the AMD subreddit can lean AMD a lot of the time but there is a pretty good accumulation expect of the accusers AMD flaws the website itself as well as Viceroy Research the Viceroy research article itself is titled AMD the obituary like they were very very obviously trying to target AMD and condemned them outright without giving them much chance to respond or anything like that and there's a bunch of articles on it from various tech publications and that kind of thing that have varying titles and here's like my my kind of hesitation and even addressing this today was like some of these titles are a lot more like sound a lot scarier than that others right and if you're if you if you do tech publications and you know you try to get traffic right and that's the that's that's clickbait right clickbait is there because people want people to click on stuff because if are going to make more money if people click on things and if you have a title like hey everyone who bought rising processors in the past year it all screwed you guys have a big security flaw obviously that's going to get a lot of traffic going to your website potentially so I hesitate to condemn anyone who's published an article on this there's varying levels of like sort of fear integrated there and there's varying like like wording in the titles some which sounds more like dangerous than others so anyway all that said they're all linked here there's for the threads on these as well there's probably going to be more stuff coming out of this because like I said this only this only came out earlier today and AMD I mean I guess ends up tomorrow well I don't know I don't know if Andy's gonna have and they're probably I can have anything done as far as software or firmware updates or anything like that I was following this on Twitter a little bit today this is just a random tweet from Jeremy Owens he is a tech editor for market watch he says from security folks he's seeing discussed the Andy report it seems that the exploits required level of access that would mean he could pretty much do whatever you want I Ryan Scott was also following this a little bit so that the the exploits themselves require admin access on the machine so if if an attacker has admin access on your machine you're kind of screwed anyway that is not to say that there's no validity to these potential exploits as it is but it's not something that it's it's not at like oh my god everyone you know burn your eyes and processors and sell your AMD stock it's not level of vulnerable and and any assessments of the the the level of danger to the the vulnerabilities right now is pretty premature anyway because there's really not been much time for anyone to do much research on this there's a ton of criticism of the white paper itself from various people in the tech community just as far as how it's put together the wording in the white paper which is a lot less white paper and a lot more the type of wording that that you would use as an investor when it comes to like oh this is doing good versus this is doing bad so yeah they're this there's a lot of issues there and is there a possibility that it could be 100% false probably not okay there is an underlying solidity to the flaws so don't write this off completely but it's it's hard to get an accurate assessment of what's going on right now because it was revealed in such a reckless and obvious obviously like slanted way in order to create an outcome that the publishers could profit from in some way and before and without giving AMD any proper notice yeah they could prepare for whatever damage control would fall oh yes so it's just pandemonium right now yeah and I mean the fact that the fact is there's a like here are shots from the video that they made about how this was deeply concerning to us and everything and they green screen these guys talking about it over obviously stock footage of like offices and stuff like that so like CTS labs the company itself this is not CVS labs where these guys are they're probably you know just a little storage room yeah and nothing like that and you know this is that all the time like people do green screens and put themselves in front of some professional looking office environment or whatever but when you can tell that it was done in a way that's obviously and got some some sort of there's there's intent behind it yeah they're trying to see more incredible than they probably are yeah the fancy lab where the CTS research website I'm sorry the the AMD flaws website also has a pretty extensive disclaimer at the bottom which states opinions expressed in this report are not investment advice nor should they be construed as investment advice or any recommendation of any kind also we may have either directly or indirectly an economic interest in the performance of the securities of the companies whose products whose products are the subject of our reports so that's just them trying to like trying to protect themselves on the back end because obviously they're gonna profit from this and if there is some sort of SEC investigation or something like that that's probably just this was all just a joke we just you know we were just joking around guys we couldn't help that it affected AMD stock price or anything like that CTS reserves the right to refrain from updating this website even as it becomes outdated or inaccurate so they have like we have no obligations like correct anything here if it actually turns out to be wrong or something like this just like people can just keep referencing this total journalism ation yeah now if you do wants to read an article that's a little bit more geared towards the vulnerable themselves there's an article from Ars Technica also linked in the description this is by Dan Gooden and I've appreciated a lot of his work that he's done in writing write-ups in the in the IT security space that kind of thing because it's an area that I'm definitely not super well-versed in myself so check this out again fairly liked not I feel like the art the title is a little raft of flaws makes bad hacks much much much worse so anyway the form a there's there's a bunch of dangerous in these four flaws the the flaws themselves are called master key rise and fall fallout and chimera the dangers include running persistent malware inside the AMD secure processor that is impossible or nearly impossible to detect by passing advanced protections such as an D secure encrypted virtualization firmware trusted platform module and others security features which are intended to secure systems and sensitive data in the event that malware infects a computer's operating system stealing credentials a vulnerable computer uses to access networks and physically destroying Hardware by attackers and hardware based ransomware scenarios so there are some legitimate flaws here to be worried about but we need to wait until we get some more professionals to look into it we need to wait until AMD has had some time to look into it and hopefully this act by this company and whoever the people are behind it isn't so reckless to the point that today there's anyone who's actually able to take advantage of these exploits in to some negative effects to people who are using any of this affected hardware before patches or other fixes can be made available it does seem serious and they to the extent that potential exploits could persist beyond like operating system wipes and that kind of thing and also the possibility of losing data or as it says physically destroying Hardware I'm not exactly sure how how that works these are these are potential issues with these are have these are these are dangers of these flaws so yes if if a master hacker with all of the right tools had administrator access to your system these are the simple things that they might be able to do to your assistant well what if I want them to do a clean install of Windows for me no no I'm saying I'm saying if you had an affected system the wipe of Windows would not necessarily fix it which also potentially as has the issue of like system integrator like a shady system integrator or something like that he uses these exploits to somehow I don't know something like see I'm getting into speculation myself which I don't want to do all right Andy published a brief statement earlier today titled the view from our corner of the street I don't know what that means today they said they just received a report from a company called CTS labs claiming their potential security vulnerabilities related to certain of our processors we were actively investigating and analyzing the findings company was previously unknown to AMD we find it unusual for a security firm to publish its research to the press without providing a reasonable amount of time for the company to investigate an address its findings at AMD security is top priority and working to trigger safety in elisa so yeah I just super sketchy more on this I'm sure to come so we'll probably maybe look back and talk a little bit more about it next week on the show that's pretty much all we had to say about it for right now typical examples people trying to take advantage of other others for for a profit yeah it's kind of good and yeah again like I said that reddit thread quite a few links on there to various people who have commented on it in in the IT security world okay moving on to the GeForce partner program bump bump Nvidia so this article is over on hard OCP this was a actually from the founder owner of hard row CP Kyle Bennett and he wrote up this article based on a significant amount of research according to what he has written here about what is being called the GeForce Partner Program which is a program from Nvidia it's not a partner program as in you the partner the consumer who buys the graphics card it's a partner program as an Nvidia who makes the GPUs and the partners as the three parties who make Edun boards adding cards who take their gpus such as ASIS or msi or gigabytes or EVGA or ZOTAC or we're soon to be answer or lots of others discussed later probably not but we will well dispel that rumor too now the article itself is is pretty I mean it's it's discussing how it impacts consumer choice and how this partner program if it's implemented when we're not sure like there's there's really not been much from Nvidia on this they have some boilerplate statements they actually based on Kyle reaching out to them about the story he was writing Nvidia preemptively posted a blog post about the GeForce partner program that's on the Nvidia website and the video blog so that has sort of their take on it but it's it's very it's very generic it's it's not it's it's I'm sure there is further addressing of this that we're hoping we're gonna get at some point assuming people keep digging on it so it should also be mentioned that this story was originally presented to her Tokyo CP by AMD AMD knew of this going on to whatever degree I don't know how much they knew about it and AMD was like oh the public should know about this granted AMD is and videos competitors so AMD took the story and they went to publications and said hey we know about this this and this we can give you this information about it if you're willing to write it up and publish it on your website this is not uncommon it's not like all the time but this this happens I will point out a time that Nvidia did it back when we were at nuoc and we were doing new itv and NVIDIA working with like PC perspective this is when the framerate capture and analysis custom stuff came out and NVIDIA discovered through FCAT testing that the AMD graphics cards at the time weren't doing very well when it comes to like the 1% load they were having some stuttering issues and stuff like that and if you did FCAT testing this new testing method which is different than the FPS like average FPS method that have been used for a lot of the time it meant that you could clearly show Nvidia cards in a better light it's so Nvidia with this information started going to other people and saying like hey you guys over at no egg TV would you be interested in doing some coverage on this again that's like you might look at that as like that shady or whatever but it's not that uncommon and it's and and they're not forcing anyone to do it and they are certainly not trying to give anyone an deccan they're not paying people off to do anything like this yeah this is all just sort of like full disclosure type stuff that's put out there so that the writer of the article can be like alright this originally came to me from Andy but Kyle said originally they weren't even going to take it up but he started investigating it a little bit more and according to him spent about the last three weeks talking to different OEMs and ad and board vendors in the industry that do business with NVIDIA and a large scale he talked to seven different companies reps from seven different companies he said not one of the seven would talk to us on record if they spoke to us about it at all the ones that did speak to us have done so anonymously in fear of losing their jobs or retribution from their companies or directly from Nvidia the crux of the issue with NVIDIA GPP comes down to a single requirement in order to be part of GPP in order to have access to the GPB program its partners much must have its gaming brand aligned exclusively with GeForce what does that mean so I'm gonna use a Zeus as an example here because they're the best example because they work with AMD and NVIDIA and they have a gaming brand if you buy an Asus graphics card you might just buy an Asus graphics card and you can buy their very generic Asus GTX 1080 I forget what they call it or whatever you can buy an Asus graphics card and then you can buy an asus rog graphics card rog republic of gamers is the Asus gaming brand it is a sub brand it's part of Asus and it specifically just Republic of gamers the the gigabyte equivalent would be like Horus now most companies are at least a lot of the companies in the space have some sub brand that specifically says gaming and there is some marketing magic to the word gaming for some reason it's been known and established in the industry for very very long time make this graphics card gtx 980ti rog Strix whatever it will sell this amount this whatever gtx 980ti RG Strix gaming graphics card will sell this amount like it's always more you put the word gaming there it's always going to be more so there appears to me to be still some some uncertainty with NVIDIA sexual requirements for the gaming like does that mean that Asus is gonna need to create another like alright let's assume we don't know for sure if anyone has agreed to be part of this program or whatever let's assume asus has decided yes we want to sign up for this geforce partner program with rog now there are no more AMD rog asus graphics cards so right now for instance you can buy an asus strix rog gtx 980ti or a Vega 64 you can get either one they look very similar they use the same design and everything like that Asus would have to I assume create a different sub brand now for AMD cards would they be able to use the word gaming with that like I don't know and I'm not sure if that's part of the requirements or not or Asus would just have to not have the AMD graphics cards that they make again assuming they were part of the GeForce partner program they would have to make those graphics cards not tagged as ROG right they would just be the Asus GTX 1080i awesome there I'm sorry the Asus Radeon Vega 64 awesome version and again I am not sure if they are trying to specifically say that you your sub brand whatever whatever other brand that's not affiliated or not associated with the NVIDIA gaming sub brand that you have like can't use that gaming term as well III don't know and honestly that might be an important factor with this if NVIDIA is just trying to look for further segmentation in the sub brands that the kind of the companies that they work with that do add in boards then that doesn't seem all that nefarious to me yes it is slightly pushy and NVIDIA isn't a very they're there in the very dominant position in the market right now but trying to be like alright ASIS we don't want our G and D cards anymore but you can make your AMD sub brand you know your what do you go Radeon gaming group I don't know whatever whatever you want to call it again there's some argument there if they're saying like Asus if you want to sign up with geforce partner program you cannot call any other graphics cards you sell from any other GPU manufacturers gaming then that's a little bit more heavy-handed in my personal opinion um the article really so there there's there's a precedent for this in the industry Intel has been accused of and indeed has been forced to pay fines both in the US and the EU for their anti-competitive practices in the past this has been documented extensively there are a wide range of opinions about Intel from those who have looked deeply into the Intel partner program they did back in the day some people I've talked to swear off Intel completely because of these practices others are like you know it it's it's a competitive industry and companies are going to do whatever they can get away with to make more money so it's just part of the game and I don't know I don't know exactly where I stand on that spectrum but the point is anti-competitive practices are bad for the consumer that there's no denying or arguing that if you are given less choice if there are less options for you then you might have not have as much price competitiveness so you might have to pay more for products so ultimately is what NVIDIA is doing here going to hurt us as consumers and again here we're not 100% sure of the answer yet I'm not sure if this is gonna be the type of thing that people discussed for a while and then kind of just goes by the wayside and then the g4s partner program exists and people stop caring about it if it's just gonna be one of those festering things people complain about every so often core if there's gonna be enough pushback right now based on this article and other stuff that has come out the people are gonna be like no Nvidia that's not right you shouldn't do that and you suck now and in videos like all right well we'll back up on that or change the terms or try or something like that I feel I feel like I have to believe that it would impact consumers in a meaningful way to some degree because let's say you want an AMD card you want an RX Vega card but if asus is forbidden to make an rog version of one of those cards then maybe that card doesn't have the same amount of engineering or R&D or attention and care as their cream-of-the-crop premium gaming brand which is now in the hands of indian nvidia right so I don't know it's it's almost like if you really want to get the best flagship card that Asus has on hand it's got to be an ROG card and if this is the sort of deal that they're striking up with these partners then you're not gonna be able to do that with with team red necessarily I think it I think it also hurts the the brand obviously because ROG using that example is a very well known very well established and reputable sub brand and and we'll all know the difference right you will understand what's going on when let's say this does go through and all of a sudden there's this new sub brand like you said you know Asus gaming with Radeon rx Vega will know that's like okay yeah that's like you know it's still a decent GPU it's gonna run fine but people who are just getting into pcs or maybe don't know you know the ins and outs like we do necessarily might just reach for the ROG first hand because that's like the more popular brand it's the more well-established brand and you know it's it's gonna be stealing sales away from me and Vita to a certain degree simply because certain partners are willing to align themselves more closely with and that that's that's a good point a lot of these even like you look at Asus even the sub brands have had years of marketing behind them and when you do marketing when you brand something like that takes a lot of work that takes a lot of time it often takes a lot of money to establish a brand to give the impression for people that might be buying it this certain idea of what that brand is like establishing that in people's minds it's a pretty important task for anyone who does marketing to do especially for something like you know like an asus rog brand so that's a very good point that suddenly AMD not being able to be part of that with their Radeon graphics cards you know it might be more of a significant hit with some of these some of the companies they work with than others now we haven't even pointed out very specifically what happened like what GPP actually does right so if you decide to become I'm sorry if you choose not to be part of the GeForce Partner Program according to Nvidia you lose the benefits of GPP that includes high effort engineering engagements early tech engagement launch partner status game bundling sales rebate programs social media and PR support marketing reports and perhaps most importantly marketing development funds or MDF and MDF is often used it's used for really wide range of stuff but anytime you need cash to pay for an events or something like that that's in videos MDF and they usually have usually have an amount of that that they can I don't wanna I don't want to make too many assumptions about how their company works but MDF is money that they use for marketing marketing development funds that's why it's kind of a generic term I believe MDF can also be used to combat price drops too so if you have like if so if you're like a retailer and you bought a bunch of this product from this company and then a couple months go by and the products value drops and the company is aware of that and they've even dropped the price that they're selling that product at they might be able to credit you MDF so that you can reduce the price of that product to sell it in a more competitive price anyway was I getting a thing so it sucks to not have that and what I was thinking of when when I first read about this was like you know how every once in a while you come across a graphics card brand that you've never heard of and you're just like they exist and make graphics cards that seems like a fairly difficult thing to manufacture and yet I've never heard of this company before right maybe it's a regional thing or whatever but some brands just move a very small amount of hardware and they don't move them that they don't so they don't get as many GPUs directly from Nvidia and they're not able to sell as many and it might just mean they're a smaller company or it might just mean they have other stuff that they do as well and for some reason like what's that's one that I that comes to mind peel it yeah I mean they're more well known I guess than like the super tiny ones but like ones that you know you wouldn't immediately come to mind yeah you know 3d maybe you know 3d enough 3d was pointed out and colorful colorful from my understanding is huge in China but I don't I'm not positive about that colorful is an example I have one that I that I heard of pretty late and in my tech career PNY yeah that's it's another one there anyway point being most partners would probably want to be part of the g4s partner program thanks to the benefits that you get however most partners are probably less interested in this if it cuts them off from doing business with AMD and AMD in particular is probably not very happy about this if it hurts their ability to work with a 10 board partners in order to create products to sell to customers and of course if this ends up hurting the ability for customers to actually get a hold of graphics cards I guess it would just kind of be the same right cuz that's that's a completely different very hopeful that one day things will get it's a completely different problem we're hopeful all right cool let's move on right gem article here actually got some articles to go over this one is from WCC F Tech and there's some slides that have been bouncing around the internets this articles from Hasan this is maybe true this is this falls into the rumor category and we're going to go over some of the rise in 2000 series CPUs AMD's already announced these they've already promised that they're going to launch in April and they've released a bit of information about them but there's a lot more specifics here in the article this slide in particular has a big old list and this is actually a very similar layout and design two slides that they were using with the original rice and launch which either means a it's legit or B it's not legit because they just used the old slides and replace stuff I'm not sure could have easily been emulated yeah but the surprise to me was at the top CPU in this stack is a 2700 X right not the 2800 X I'm not sure why they made that choice if they are lining at 2800 X to come out later down the line or something like that who knows but you've also got the APS have just launched other than that there's just four here 2700 X 2,700 2,600 X and 2600 ranging in price from two hundred dollars up to three hundred and seventy dollars and if you're an overclocker than the 2700 and 2600 are probably your best bets because you know you can overclock those and save yourself 70 bucks or 50 bucks depending on where you going with that the 2700 X which is at the top of the stack is a 8 core 16 thread processor with 3.7 gigahertz base clock and 4.3 5 gigahertz boost clock it's not quite hitting that 4.5 the people were we're hoping for but 4.35 as a promised boost is not that bad and we can hopefully hope that there would also be further maybe a little bit overclocking Headroom beyond that maybe if you're looking at the speeds of the last generation of Verizon or the first generation of rajin I guess I should say you might expect the one or two hundred megahertz boost over that give or take but I'm sure hopefully we'll see once the presses actually come up it's got a slightly higher TDP at 105 watts compared to the 95 watt TDP of the first gen 20 Meg's cache 16 PCI Express Lanes supports 29 and 33 megahertz ddr4 which is very nice I don't know if that's if that's the base frequency that's that's that's a that's a good starting off frequency there and it ships with a wreath prism cooler you've also got the 2,700 2,600 X and 2,600 all listed there again the articles link in the description if you guys want to check out any of the details on those I like the 8 core 16 thread 2,700 for 300 bucks seems reasonable and the six core are twelve three at 2600 is only a hundred and ninety-nine dollars that's pretty cool too there is a chart further down here that has them all listed out so here you can see their boost clocks like the 2700 X 4.35 2700 is 4.1 2600 X is 4.25 so you do get a nice boost in the boost clock going from the 2,600 2,600 X but these are all of course gonna be unlocked for overclocking as well so if you're an overclocker you can go ahead and do that very mine the none of these have graphics integrated into them and they're all based on Zen Plus which is a slight refinement of the originals and architecture and it's on the 12 nanometer manufacturing process which might I was gonna say might might lend a bit of efficiency but the trade-off and efficiency was offset by the increased clock speeds which was why they eventually decided 105 watt TDP was the way to go I do want to point out that the lower clocked 2700 has a 65 watt TDP so you can still get by with a like a passive cooler or something something that's lower powered if you're in that kind of situation now there's also going to be new motherboards with these these have also already been talked about by AMD but there's a little bit more information on them now all this stuff is expected to launch April 19th and the motherboards at least one of the upgrade reasons so like these are going to be backwards compatible with be 350 and X 370 motherboards the new motherboards are be 450 and x4 70 and the reason you might want one of the newer motherboards is to enable precision boost overdrive right that's the the caching drive feature right this is actually a it's it's it's a temperature based precision boost so it will I think so if you put a good cooler on it then it will it will amp up your boost clock even beyond I assume the 4.25 or whatever whatever that I'm sorry 4.4.3 5 now 4.25 4 by 35 I'm still memorizing this stuff so might go up higher than four point three five gigahertz if you have a better cooler installed on there that's precision boost overdrive and they also have XFR to enhanced mode which is from my understanding like it just at maintains higher clock speeds a little bit longer that's that's my understanding I I need to read up a little bit more on this as well which I wasn't willing to do just in case these slides aren't legit but they look fairly legit my experience but again miss all might just be rumor and untrue okay let's talk about one last story which is uh possibly like at first I read about it I was like oh maybe that's good news which was the rumor that asrock might be making graphics cards as rock makes motherboards and they do other stuff too but they've never really made graphics cards and a digi Times article from last week which has now gone behind a paywall is rumored that they might actually make GPUs discrete GPUs Tom's Hardware I went and dug into a little bit more Igor Wallace Eck asked around the industry a little bit didn't get any information directly from asrock but based on his discussions with some other people he says is it's sort of true not true but just sort of true all the competitors he talked to kept mentioning MXM which is the short hand for mobile piece PCI Express module so according to this article the conjecture is that as rack has made a deal with AMD and wants to enter the market for MX and MXM modules Nvidia for their part has not announced any specific MXM modules with Nvidia graphics processors but AMD has and maybe asrock wants to manufacture them is that one of their boards this board here that say this is an MXF module this board here is their h1 10s XM XM and this is actually a STX board which is smaller than Mini ITX and you can see it as an MX M module right there these modules are made to very specific specifications and I guess there's not a lot of wiggle room with the design of them so they wouldn't be too terribly difficult for asrock to manufacture but by manufacturing themselves they might be able to save a little bit of money and perhaps for small form-factor implementations or proprietary designs that kind of thing they may be able to combine that with their motherboard manufacturing know-how to create some unique products so XM didn't exist before this it did oh it's it's a it's a standard it's a PCI Express mobile stock okay I've never really heard about much yeah it's because likes like slotted graphics cards they're just only so much they can do they're very limiting and so you know they there have been a couple attempts in the past at producing like a laptop chassis that's a frame that you can like buy parts for and kind of do a DIY laptop but it's never really taken off simply because the the the the everything's too small it's difficult to work with like the ribbon cables and stuff like that are very delicate and a lot easier to damage and there's just not enough interest to establish that market so but all that said MXM is a PCI Express standard that has made it much easier for manufacturers to take and establish salaat design and you know have two or three different GPU possibly you know possible GPU options that they can install there so okay interesting so don't be hoping for a bunch of asrock discrete cards coming out anytime soon but maybe some interesting mini PC asrock products I'm only interested if one of those can outperform one other the new rise in AP use then I might it probably would I mean it I would piqued my interest it said this it's a discrete option that can have its own dedicated memory dedicated memory is pretty huge from the jump from integrated to above that were those slots on that board yeah this board has som slots yeah so pretty so that is tiny each one Centon each one 10 chipset little socket so is it using the same is it using the same standoff mounts as a mini ITX then why do you think these indicate these two are probably the I believe I think it's a 4 inch gap actually no it looks like a completely different layout because this has 6 this has 6 mounting points and it's rectangular not square more rectangular and square now they're not wrong and this is actually larger no it's still very small that is low it's really tiny yeah anyway who knows so there you go a little bit more on the as erotic situation ok and guys 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that question because I'm very uncomfortable because I haven't looked at that directly first off Quadra I'm 5,000 and is going to be very good for you or very bad for you depending on the software that you're planning on using it for if you're using professional-grade software that is that works with the quadruped team then that's probably a good a good option so definitely check the specific software you're planning and use and using and seeing if you see if you can find benchmarks of that specifically and then beyond that the reason I hesitate to give you any advice when it comes to pricing is I'm actually not positive if the Quadro cards have been affected by the GPU pricing situation I haven't even looked at that so I don't know like buying a 1080 for nine hundred dollars compared to a Quadro for twelve hundred it might just be a local obviously get the Quadro but I don't know if Quadros are overpriced too so but yeah make it make it do your research focused on what you're planning 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