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how dare you compare my dog do you have to sad to meet early the show Callum ah so you have two cats that are male and female I do that have two very different personalities they do one super hyper and the other one was super chill dogs well not super hyper but yeah it's depends today's it's very situational some nuances there yes okay I'm sure they get along hello everyone and according to the text on the streaming software over here it seems like we are live so hi everyone welcome to awesome hardware heyyyyy this is a live show about technology we talk about computers mostly and we stream every Tuesday evening at 5:30 p.m. Pacific time we stream the whole show to twitch.tv slash awesome hardware or with stream two halves the first half we already did episode 1 45 - a has been on Kyle's channel bit wit a link to that is in the video's description we are now kicking off 1:45 second half we sure are baby which means a few things first we've already been drinking a few beers so cheers to any of you guys for joining us please drink responsibly and we will try our best not to slur our speech which is always one of the difficult things about making this show beyond that occasionally we do use adult language so if you have any young ones or people who are offended by that type of thing lock them in the cupboard or whatever you do with them kill them all and then also we we do have some stores if you guys enjoy the content that we produce and you wanna help support us Paul sorry Burnett is my store where I have a brave shirts mugs pint glasses hoodies all sorts of good stuff it's all real high quality so buy some stuff helps support us and we will shout Johnson to your face at the end of this half of the show Cowell store is also available bit with tech slash store here's a new design and the ripped game pad is very violence and offensive lots of people you should definitely represent it and wear it on your chest buy it anyway yes we're only 21 in the chest it's worth it but yeah if you buy stuff we will shout your name up at the end of the show which is a just a crazy incentive to do that and spend money anyway we're gonna talk on the first half of this show mainly about some intel news that dropped today it's actually pretty expensive and we'll try to gauge your opinion on how excited or or not excited you are about it and then the second half of the show we're gonna play some video games hi class indeed I'm looking forward to that line actually but um let's kick things off with a burp yeah as is tradition and the news segments and the the bulk of this news I'm going to be driving from the inand tech article about this Intel's expansion of their 8th gen core lineup and this is again pretty expansive covers new launches coming to the mobile space some mobile processors as well as socketed desktop processors on the mainstream side so we're talking LGA 1151 processors that are compatible with the same motherboards that have been launched for coffee leaf okay hold on but there are new motherboards coming up new chipsets because more budget copy copy like actually launched five months ago October wasn't coffee like launched but it didn't fully launch there there there were there were things missing from it right around it so again the intact article that's linked in the description as long as as well as all the articles we're going to talk about today it has a lot more on this so if you guys are really interested I encourage you to read that this articles by dr. Ian cut hrus and he points out at the beginning that there's lots of different aspects to Intel's processor strategy so not just products but sort of how they are trained to set themselves up in the marketplace we have the core I nine 8950 HK which is a six core tagged as a core i9 processor although I feel like the core i9 tagging of that is sort of weird it's it's a mobile processor though weird that's six core and twelve thread pretty I mean a really high-end mobile processor but I still feel like I nine was just recently introduced for their for their enthusiast lineup and some branding suddenly tagging a six core processor that's based on the same technology but there's also other mobile stuff six new Intel H series 45 mobile CPUs forunate until you series 28 watt mobile CPUs and I am NOT going to be going over this today but as I was sort of doing research and everything there's a bunch of new product drops for laptops today so it seems like there are a bunch of laptop manufacturers who have been kind of holding up and waiting for Intel to get to here's all the stuff and now we can sell it and people can buy it so there's a bunch of new laptops I don't have any more details on them than that but if you're if you were in the market for a laptop it's definitely gonna be worth your while to do some investigation as to the new products based on Intel's new stuff that's been announced today but when it comes to this list specifically we're gonna mainly talk about a little bit more on the 8950 HK and then we're going to talk about the new desktop coffee like CPUs because they've fleshed out the rest of the lineup because there's really only been about five coffee like SKUs available since it launched back in October and then there's four new desktop chipsets that will be available in new motherboards which of course will be compatible with all these new coffee like CPUs as well as the existing like 8700 K and 86 under K but starting off the court I 989 50 HK if you're a laptop user and if you're into powerful mobile technology this thing is actually pretty beastly it's a 6 core processor with 12 threads 2.9 gigahertz base clock and 4.6 gigahertz nominal maximum turbo we say nominal maximum turbo because it can actually turbo beyond that depending on the configuration that it's in more on that in just a second note the graphics that are integrated is the Intel UHD 630 the comparison we're looking at here on the anent tech chart is the new process of 8950 HK compared to the the last year's high-end highest end processor which was the i7 7820 HK which is based on cable ik h i launched back in january 2017 both of these are 45 watt TDP CPUs but you can see there's a big boost in core in thread count 6 core 12 versus the four core eight thread of before also we have a significantly higher turbo frequency at 4.6 gigahertz and then we have this TVB thermal velocity boost which is like intel's like you know that turbo stuff we want to like do another one of those and put it on top of the turbo what that's what that is what's the difference between TVB and TVB all right you're making me jump ahead in my notes here Kyle but I will I will humor you TVB is another phase on top of turbo boost if the CPU stays underneath a certain temperature which for this specific CPU is 53 degrees Celsius then it can clock up to 200 megahertz faster ok that's pretty much it so from the 4.6 from the 4.6 gigahertz boost it can go to 4.8 give your hertz boost but under that threshold if it's under the threshold gotta bear in mind this is this is a mobile processor so we're talking about laptops the laptops these are probably going to be integrated in our our desktop replacement laptops that are usually significantly larger that can have substantial cooling systems that are integrated with multiple heat pipes and fans and that kind of thing so you know there's a trade offs there's a balance between the lightness and portability versus the amount of power that's in there but this is a mobile processor so the 45 watt TDP is pretty impressive now it should be pointed out that the 45 watt TDP is based on the base frequency right of 2.9 gigahertz so at 4.6 it's probably different so 4.6 it definitely increases beyond that can go but but but Intel isn't giving as much information about this and this is actually something that in kind of laments in the article is Intel decided I feel like sometime in the past year or two like hey we're not going to tell you all the different steps of turbo that it get it goes to right I mean everything and we're gonna leave that out they said that because it's proprietary or something like that which is kind of weird because any third-party manufacturer who integrates this into a laptop because it's a case Q CPU can overclock it and set it to whatever ever frequency they want and also Intel withholding this information any actual person who gets the processor physically can just test it and tell you what the different turbo states are and everything so right anyway III happen to agree with the in and his assessment of Intel's decision to withhold that information but yeah for the record if you guys do want to check this article out and scroll down to the bottom oh right further down no no it's not on this page but it's further down they do actually have a chart of the different turbo turbo frequency steppings and that kind of thing but beyond that bla bla bla bla bla oh I actually just already said that turbo velocity boost Intel is not specifically stated that this is a coffee Lake derive CPU but they have said it's based on the latest generation 40 nanometer process technology which basically means it's 14 nanometer plus plus which is what coffee Lake is based on so let's we can safely assume it's a cathodic processor even though Intel hasn't said that explicitly also worth mentioning for any of you guys who are on the workstation markets or just looking for other options oh did I mention it's five hundred and eighty three dollars for them it's the laptop for that's the tray price for the processor so that's the oh wow if you buy a thousand of them at a time it's five hundred eighty-three bucks it probably means it's going to be about six hundred dollars effective price for consumers although when it comes to mobile processors it's hard to say exactly how much it costs because usually it's integrated into the price of an entire laptop right but the trade price is still a decent step up from the 7820 HK from before which was three hundred and seventy eight dollars so yeah you do also get some enhanced DRAM support though ddr4 2666 as opposed to the ddr4 2400 and you get obtain support to slightly slightly faster integrated - yeah UHD rather than HD which I can't tell what that means besides a hundred megahertz faster you know that gives it an ultra how do mega Hertz faster its ultra announced that's wrong all right what else can we talk about here beyond that oh did I mention this yeah I was I was just mentioning the Xeon we have stats in the Xeon somewhere zeon mobile processor there's a Xeon equivalent of this process processor Wow that some people might be interested in it's called the Xeon eat when t1 86m it's a little bit more expensive Trey price 623 dollars what whereas it is not overclockable as in the case q88 950 HK is it gives you ECC memory support as well as support for Intel vPro and V Pro is an important feature for people who want to use this in it and in office environments it's it's a it's a set of features that allows remote access to the computer and hardware security and all that kind of thing but other than that it's effectively the same it's got the same turbo frequency it's got the same base frequency it's got the same l3 cache so yeah for you guys who are looking for a workstation like super high-end workstation setup maybe check out some of the new laptops that will undoubtedly be coming out based on the Intel Xeon eat when t1 86m all right beyond that though jumping back to the original list here there's of course the six new until eight series processors for Intel u series processors a crap ton of laptops coming out based on those in different configurations and all that kind of stuff not that not delving into that for right now we're gonna jump down to the desktop stuff because I have a feeling that is what you guys are a little bit more interested in so the coffee like desktop processors that have now been added to the stack if you guys are reading this Anandtech article all the ones that are new are labeled with an asterisk here so prior to now we've only had five processors in this line up to the 8700 k 8780 600 k and there's 8400 for example so on the i7 level we're adding the 8700 T which is a 35 watt TDP processor with a 2.4 gigahertz base frequency and a 4.0 gigahertz boost frequency again this 35 watt TDP is based on the base frequency so depending on the laptop there's that it's integrated into and the cooling on that laptop and and and so forth you may or may not be able to hit that boost frequency consistently over time for example these do still these do have V Pro enabled and they've got 2666 ddr4 DRAM support and yeah just just basically giving you the wider range of processors that you may have expected before with an Intel lineup that wasn't prior to now available on coffee leaks so on the i-5 side there's a lot more 8600 the 8600 t2 8,500 8,500 T and 8400 T these are all six cores six thread processors whereas the i7 or six core with hyper threading so that 12 threads then again we have 95 65 and 35 watt variants these all have a little bit less l3 cache per core and the new ones have V Pro support whereas the old ones do not so maybe something to keep in mind if you're building systems for an enterprise environment or that kind of thing the I threes have a few more as well 8380 380 100 T 117 excuse me 117 dollars for a 8100 T is the lowest price here for the new processors and that's a 4 core for thread CPU again 35 watt TDP with the 3.1 gigahertz base frequency alright well there's a Pentiums down here and seller ons and the dogs freaking out right now well that I hold on listen to me now they're not gonna listen hey sorry the dogs are barking here's a chart showing the actual turbo turbo frequencies per core so if you guys are interested in a specific processor then you can do that it's also got the core I'm sorry the cost listed next to it as well so again links to the Articles we're talking about today are linked in the description down below my goodness sorry the dogs you guys are allowed to second level Wow to go along with these new processors chipsets okay okay she just comes around a well my wife my wife is home okay it's just wife with the assist to pair up with these new processors we now also have new Intel chipsets which new motherboards will be based on that you can now buy for less money than you would have previously spent on a z3 70 motherboard sure cuz again since October the last five months z3 70 was the only LGA 1150 1151 motherboard that he could buy that was compatible with coffee like right now we have four new chipsets that are compatible with Intel APIs generation processors the H 370 the Q 370 the be 360 and the H 310 and a kind of unique thing about these new processors is that they actually is kind of an upgrade so there is something that's better about all four of these that is not as good about the Z 370 and that's specifically the integration of 802 dot 11 AC Wi-Fi Janene chipset stuff I think you said processors you meant chipsets right I said sorry yes chipsets ok chipsets yes so all four of these new Jets AC Wi-Fi have the ability the possible ability for the motherboard manufacturer and so you want to implement it to connect up 802 11 AC Wi-Fi now that's nice the article goes into more detail when you're talking about these budget chips at motherboards especially like something like an h3 10 you're looking at motherboards that are usually in there like 4 to $60 range right adding Wi-Fi to something like that either to the left 11 AC which has a theoretical throughput of like 17 hundred megabits per second mm-hmm which is faster possibly than wired gigabit yeah it was pretty fast but to add that to a budget chipset motherboard costs about 15 extra dollars because you have to add like an antenna and the extra hardware that goes along with it yeah so basically the super budget motherboards like h3 10 you're probably going to need to look specifically for one of those that has the eight or 2011 AC integrated if that's specifically something that you're looking after right you'll probably see it integrated more into the b3 60s and the h3 70s and so on but just something to keep an eye on just because the motherboard chipset provides the ability to have that connectivity whether it comes to 802 that 11 AC Wi-Fi or USB 3.1 gen2 which is also a new native thing that's been added to these motherboards hmm it doesn't necessarily mean that the motherboard manufacturer is actually providing those plugs in the connectivity for that so right here's another possible thing that you could say this is an upgrade that's not to say that there haven't been z3 70 motherboards that have had USB 3.1 gen2 but it's been by virtue of an add-on chip so having it natively I can't say this for sure because I haven't tested but usually it means it's it's a bit better you it's a bit faster native connects connectivity but you can't have four USB 3.1 gen2 ports on the HD 76 on the cue 374 on the B 360 none on the HD 10 however so yeah all that to be said then you're just gonna be a bunch of new motherboards based on this and they're gonna be cheaper than see 370 motherboards cool cool last thing to point out all of these chipsets have the again possible functionality if the motherboard manufacturer decides to implement it of what they're calling ambient computing enabled heart at a hardware level through the chipset which allows for wake on voice commands in the low-power mode so it gives your computer the possible capability to act like a smartphone or other listening device like a smartphone with Google assistant or Siri or like a smart speaker or you can say okay Google and tell it to do something you're in a computer could now potentially have that capability at least the hardware functionality is built in into the chipset for that so kind of fun yeah depending on whether or not you like talking to your computer and telling it to do things more stuff on Intel like I said there's like honestly the amount of stuff that Intel dropped today was pretty ridiculous yeah so let's switch over to what's being called I three plus I 5 plus an i7 plus just to explain to you guys what this is if you happen to encounter it octane memory we've talked about a little bit I've covered a bit I'm on my channel but it's really really fast it's not NAND flash memory it's a new technology that Intel has developed but it's functionally equivalent to man dab it is way faster and it's very responsive and everything but the products that intel has launched based on it thus far have been somewhat underwhelming if you're a home user mainly because what they launched at first were 16 gigabyte and 32 gigabyte Intel opt in memory modules that you could use as basically like a cache driver and accelerants for an existing access to your hard drive which was vaguely useful but not that awesome especially if you were already running off of a full SSD he didn't get a lot of benefit from so intel has launched new products based on update in the interim since that first came out and now they have actually expanded the octane line-up and they've also the there's it's like a new generation basically a newer more power-efficient to update memory caching parts are coming out sixteen gig 32 gig and now adding a 64 gig variant 64 gig was not previously available so like i have compared this to like system memory a lot so when you talk about a 16 gig or a 32 gig comparison it's it's really talking about a like an amount of obtain memory that's equivalent so you what the same amount of a system memory that you might have and system memory is still faster than up team mm-hmm so bumping that up to 64 gigs is a nice bump I'd still like to see something beyond that but the other cool thing that they have done is they've enabled it to cache a secondary data drive now so not just the main operating system drive like before so whereas you may have had zero interest in the OP tain drives that have been available because you bought a 256 gig samsung 960 Evo or our 960 pro right for you half a year or a year ago and you're like I don't care about this because what I have is just not good or faster and I'm gonna see no benefit from this right if you have an opt-in ready platform like the new until motherboards that are coming out and you already got that super fast nice 256 gig 500 gig nvme SSD that you know your operating system and programs are going to go on but you've also got a for Turner by 8 or 8 to buy mechanical hard drives that you're always irritated with because it's always so slow I'm your Indian nvme drive caching that with an Intel opt in SSD a 32 gig or even more ideally a 64 gig and would be an effective upgrade benefit to you when you're using that drive so it makes sense there you go Intel update getting a little bit more useful and a little bit more effective one last thing to point out this is a PC perspective article they were asking about caching across multiple drives with a single opt-in drive that's not possible right now so you still have to pair your opt-in drive with a single drive whether it's a slower SSD or mechanical drive that still works right now interesting okay no word or indication if that might be something they're able to add in the future that would mean it would be cool if they could peer blaster or something yeah there you go all right moving on next article is from text bot necessary this is Steve so we've got new chipset motherboards coming out and you got you might be interested what all right so effectively what's the difference I've been looking at a Z 370 by the board I've been considering a purchase for a while I've been interested in coffee lake in a6 core processor or I've been cross comparing that with what's available on Rison sure and I'm not quite sure all right now we've got these new motherboards based on these budget chipsets what's the actual difference besides the lower price mm-hmm what am I giving up if I if I go with B 360 this article is a very good way to investigate that and learn a little bit more because it's specifically comparing a B 360 chipset motherboard to a Z 370 chipset motherboard okay so first off no CPU or memory overclocking so even if you have a case Q's processor like an 80 600 K or 8700 K you will not be able to overclock it if you don't get a z 370 motherboard be 360 or anything below the overclocking that's pretty that's been the way until I'm doing it for quite some time right also you do not get any raid support so the the SATA ports you can connect up to you cannot configure multiple drives into a raid zero one or five configuration so that is something that it can do on Z 370 is that how it's been also with previous generations of until platforms options that's rate I don't yeah I mean I I don't want to I want to say yes completely but I know by and large that's something that you that that's a that's a feature that drops off when you step down I think there maybe have been some because like q3 skew which the q1 have already forgotten it q q 370 q 370 is like the highest end business oriented chipset so no overclocking but it has some more support for like v pro and you know more more enterprise type connectivity right and functions but I I do not I do not I do not know cuz I feel like that's something that you could easily do like you you could set up a raid array or something like that and not have an overclocked CPU like I feel like those two things are independent of each other and you might not care about overclocking but you still might want a trade set up so I feel like that's that's like that's a big reason to upgrade to like Z 370 you only mean like if you wanted to take advantage of that sort of Drive system I know why people hear the buzzing euros these are all in the same circuit oh listen are you okay to turn off the fan I'm okay they should get more beer - for you at least but that's not the on/off switch yeah just the left an old school it's old school old school five years old maybe I'm okay actually for now yeah I've realized I did say beer but I realized you were out but I actually still have a decent amount I mean it's not anymore dude here no it's done okay probably good anyway moving right along though alright B 360 versus Z through 70 so apart from not having access to read you also gotta have fewer PCI Express Lanes directly to the chipset there's a church down here so for example you have the Flex io4 the chipset that the motherboard manufacturer can assign how they want to you have up to 24 available on Z through 70 you only have 12 available on be 360 you'll also notice for example well USB 3.1 gen2 you actually get an improvement because you have up to 4 available natively but you have less USB 3.1 jet and one Matt Rita excuse me a little bit less USB 2.0 this one's an important one here until rst pcie 3.0 MDOT - storage you can have up to three MDOT to connected devices for like nvme superfast SSDs with z 370 that cuts down to 1 you know with be 360 so that's a pretty decent fall that granted with a budget set up you probably won't need more than one super fast SSD I feel like a little higher-end set up I've maybe more maybe this makes sense for you but um I don't know for me for me when I compare the fall-off in features that Intel sets up when you drop from the Z series then below I mean the overclocking is huge but comparing it to what AMD gives you like I feel like you get more bang for your buck with the am D budget boards sure then you do with it what's Intel absolutely um but again there's more and more particularly if you're overclocking so if you're not overclocking it might be a little bit more feasible for you also worth pointing out that um the memory already mentioned is not overclockable if you for example get memory that has an XMP profile you can't go and plug that in with a B 3 B 360 motherboard you won't get the memory frequency so like the memory frequency is based on the the processor that you install if you'd have an i5 or an i7 give 2666 capability if you have an i3 of 2400 capability the memory that you install if you install say 3000 speed memory of 3200 speed memory is gonna run at that baseline frequency that's based on the processor you have installed but you can still plug in the XMP value and the timings will plug in sure so that's the thing why would you need to run super high speed memory on an Intel based platform without seeing more direct benchmarks from it I couldn't say I know I know in the past it hasn't had that much impact on the Intel platform and it was more of a thing when like with a with AMD and risin right to where the memory frequency became more of a thing where like yeah you want you want to get the faster memory because it's gonna give you a nice boost not having tested any of this stuff myself for being able to reference anyone else those benchmarks I can't say whether or not that's going to be the fact here as well but I mean faster memory is faster memory and usually even if it's minimal it's there's some kind of game you get from it mm-hmm anyway beyond that's there are benchmarks here in the article and Steve has done us all a solid by testing different chipsets and different motherboards against each other which must be very boring work because as you can see here there is no dairy similar yeah he's testing in eighty seven hundred and i7 eighty seven hundred with the Intel Box cooler he also tested it with in after-market cooler a deep pool gam X 200 T and then he's also got some benchmarks for the 8400 down here as well basically if you're talking about simply switching chipsets there's no difference at all and that's to be expected yeah he finds that with the gam X specifically with the 8700 he got improved performance now this has a little bit more to do with the processor and the power delivery configuration on the motherboard than it does necessarily with the default the chipset functionality but here you can also see kernel important 1.3 benchmark with really not much difference and P over here pov-ray 3.7 with not much difference and blender but also all marginal not much difference apart from again that 8700 with the aftermarket cooler but I really looking at there is the impact of an aftermarket cooler and a budget motherboard that has lower quality of power delivery and configuration for the CPU right because that is lower quality over time with a higher power draft CPU with more cores and more threads more going on more going on generally an 8700 versus an 8400 the power delivery elements heat up over time and eventually lead to throttling which affects performance so you get more performance with an aftermarket cooler but there is still some leveling off based on the actual motherboard configuration itself kocha so there you go even though there is no inherent difference in performance between say a budget chipset be 360 motherboard and a nicer Zi 370 motherboard you will often find that the more expensive chipset chipset motherboards are paired with higher level quality higher quality components which can lead to better performance over time it's not a universal statement though so it's it's why you got a cannon it's why you got to kind of pick and choose and be aware of the difference things that might impact the performance especially when it comes to the power delivery configuration of the motherboard and also something that you know maybe you wouldn't consider when you tackle it's like I'm not overclocking and I'm you know I'm not going to push this up to 5 gigahertz or something like that so why would it matter they're using an 80 700 and i7 8700 which is going to run at a default base and boost frequency and steppings in between and they're still seeing the fall-off in performance based on the motherboard not having the sufficient enough power delivery elements to not overheat over time wait so I'm sorry why would Aziz 370 platformer see better performance than a B 360 platform I missed that it's not inherently because of any difference in the chipset and it's simply because a Z 370 motherboard is more likely to have say for example that are more power phases and to deliver power to the CPU or better Hardware on the power phases to little over power CPU like more power phases isn't necessarily better right you know there's there's a mosfet of choking a cap or basic power delivery elements per phase and you can have a better MOSFET choking a cap and four of them or you can have eight lower ones but the effective thing is that all those is a delivering power to the CPU are going to warm up over time if you have a CPU that's drawing more power they're going to warm up more and if you have fewer phases or lower quality components they're gonna get hot to the point where it starts the throttle right make sense that it's kind of like nature of the beast type of thing okay so yeah don't expect a huge drop-off in performance going with Beast be 360 but the article does summarize by saying if you're considering a higher inch processor like in 86 I'm sorry I like an 8700 that has six cores and twelve threads then it might be worth your while to invest a little bit more on your motherboard as well anyone hearing a hum in the background the fan is off is most likely due to the refrigerator or Hiro snoring yeah I'm looking at you Hiro he doesn't care he doesn't care about that anything you've just said well now in no respect for chef he stopped well as I said I feel like soft music yes he got self-conscious now I'm gonna need to just just keep snoring here oh we love Mike chords I'm gonna try to do some troubleshooting guys over the next week or at least between now and the next time that we let your me from here and try to figure out what's causing that all right let's move on then with the Intel stuff for now just a couple more stories and then we're gonna play some video games real quick before we end things see this is a digi times article which may or might not end up behind a paywall that happens over time we've talked about nvidia GPP and its potential impact on the graphics card market several times over the past month or two and this is just a little follow up on it industry sources said that three Taiwan brands have reportedly adjusted their new product at development roadmaps they may also launch new gaming brands based on AMD's GPU platform so the the idea here is that nvidia GPP program the geforce partner program forces companies that work with both AMD and NVIDIA to solely align their gaming brand which is usually a sub brand with nvidia so with it with gigabyte its horas with asus rog or republic of gamers with msi it's their gaming MSI gaming gaming and as yes it just call it gaming so the implication here from the article is that there is movement on the side of these GPU manufacturers who work with both brands to create another different sub brand for the AMD stuff now what I'm still kind of curious about is whether there is some specific legalese or contract stuff going on rents them from using the word gaming with those brands we'll have to wait and see but there is a little bit of feedback for people MSI chairman Joseph sue said the market demand for graphics cards will continue to expand her bus leaf remaining and gaming uses how incredibly generic at the same time we should point out that as Rock is now making AMD graphics cards discrete AMD graphics cards which we talked about a little bit when it was rumored and but now it actually does seem to be a thing so more like are they doing five 70s and five eighties or are the Vegas that's a good that's a good question hmm I wish it I wish I could answer that question right now foggy I had to do an internet search to answer that I bet a bit about check pull that up tell us chat tell us all right let's continue though the agency vipro we've talked about a little bit there is a link in the description to a pc gamer review of the HTC vive pro there are some drawbacks to it namely our most importantly the price this is very expensive it's another 800 bucks for the vipro headset and you need to already have an HTC vive original that has the light boxes and everything to work with if you don't have that and you're just buying it straight from the get-go it's more than that right it's like a thousand eleven hundred you would have to buy both together I don't think they're currently selling really a buy Pro really as a kit stand alone as Wow as far as I can tell however that's crazy the flip side to it is that you get a big increase in visual clarity a 2880 by 1600 pixels are 1440 by 1600 per eye it's an improvement over the 2160 by 1200 of the orig had set 78% increase in resolution and according to the review it's enough to effectively eliminate the visual detractions from the original HD see that that might have taken you away from it such as the rounding and blurring at the edges of the frame of you as well as the screen door effect that you get from pixels being spaced a little bit too far apart that was pretty annoying yeah so 800 bucks you get the headset and you get a new link box but you do not get the controller's or the base sensors looks Li Haslam we're asking around the face face mask area - there there will be a discontinued bundle containing the pro two original controllers and two original base sensors with extra equipment discounted to $2.99 so that would still make it $1,100 for everything you need to spend not to mention you with you know deter an aster PC to run VR at that resolution yes you're talking about a high resolution say grade better base hardware as well and that was always one of the drawbacks of the original HTC vive - yeah so this is still a niche product but for people who already had the vive and are really into it it's an upgrade that you can purchase and you think about them you don't really think about how the inflated RAM and GPU prices affect the VR market so much as like the immediate obvious PC DIY market but you need a good PC to run VR and now you need an even better PC to run these new and improved headsets and the pricing for all that is jacked up to the point where if you were if you were like you know a little bit hesitant to spend $1000 on a decent gaming PC that could run VR you're probably looking at like 1,500 to 2,000 dollars for a system that can do that now yeah it's crazy not a great time to release a brand new headset with increased resolution and higher recommended specs but you know also Hiro is snoring down there and snored away although he just opened his eyes and they feel self-conscious that I appointed him that you're very self-conscious here alright before we play video games I have one last bit of just fun to share with you fun and this from writers and technology is is is fun but it's also fun to watch when new technology fails so yeah this is actually from Russia and they're attempting to launch their first-ever postal drone Russian postal drone that will deliver mail to people in Russia and they have a bunch of gathered around as it takes its maiden voyage yeah it's fly into the air so great ever so people and waves are still dressed like their fur goes there it goes right into the side of the building oh my god here is this and the jaw oh my god that happened so fast smash I hope it wasn't carrying a fragile product like a piece of glass or something I don't know if they actually had any any actual mail your wine delivery for some wine glasses turret then but anyway I thought that was kind of funny so you guys get drone fails are always the best all right we're gonna gosh gosh darn it's already eight o'clock so only let's do this quickly them all right and we can we can actually overlap this with an answering question sure so in the past when we've done awesome hardware and we haven't done this for a while we have after the show done an after-party where we played video games yep so we stopped doing that because we realized that after we have done a live show and drank beer and everything the TARDIS did get tired and it sucks so my thought was hey let's attempt to integrate the after-party with the adversary with part of the show itself or you're terribly we're gonna start that off today today's After Burner being curious about this simulator is inspired by Jays livestream earlier today and we've got some PC gaming simulator we're gonna play right now all right do it this is currently on Steam early access is $20 whoo and all of that we're gonna check out the new game right now we know that tessellation right there and triangles oh my gosh and again maybe your pc p-- you know program just you've got mail okay what does he say oh well yes there it's just Oh oh we've got a Hey look there's mods ooh why aren't why aren't our posters up there Paul there should be like a Paul's hardware and a bit wit you're like poster we should have we slipped off teamed up less I got some music playing I like that nice Asus flat-screen there aces panel oh yes all looks like a one wireless mechanical keyboard perhaps alright so we go onto our computer and into our email have you have you tested this out yet no I watch Jay playing it earlier today JD on livestream okay had way more live years and we have that's okay they were crappy yeah the quality of our live viewers is far superior to Jay you guys are way better so I have a memory they very very loose idea of what goes on basically you check your mail here and your uncle your uncle Tim used to have this PC shop all right computer it's handing it down to you and he's saying that's the company's not doing well and there's no money and rent and energy and don't forget to put thermal paste on there and also he borrowed $15 for fuel so you start at negative $15 Wow yeah uncle Tim's a bastard I know other than that here's our first email which says hey Tim I hope he can help me I have some viruses so we click go to PC and then we're out in the hallway here and so out in the hallway of the business I swear your computer's that you're gonna work on line up so click on that wait has ever Oh right-click and I pick it up and then we're gonna walk it in here set it down in our workstation and then we can see as we mouse over the PC what our objectives are we need to remove the viruses the status is also that it is not loaded I wish debug LEDs were that advanced where I could just be like you need to remove viruses just just boot to the operating system we need to run a virus scan okay how do we is that isn't is it an s3 40 all right looks like an s3 40 case it might be it's got the cable management bar the window the feet there we go the body that shitty Intel topically right click and drag that we can we need to we need to pimp this PC out Paul we even like critique it and change it probably probably terrible it looks terrible it needs our help okay so we're gonna click on cables here plug in the cables this is cable without you have to click it and hold this is riveting stuff you have to hold it for a second in order to actually pick it up just like in real life so realistic fascinating ok insert USB Drive so we need to go to our inventory and get the USB Drive and plug it in there good power it on the PC boot it up it is powering out we can see the fan spank yeah it's good wait you just click the power button you don't actually watch the button they should make you press the button on the computer its power button down here yeah there's different power buttons Kyle yeah but that one she okay yeah you can click it directly to you if you really want to okay um can you move the side panel yes you can but we're not doing that now we just need to get the virus scanner installed take it off it was just stupid desktop background so this is the Omega the Omega OS cow can you change your desktop background not make it look like but I don't know restart all right good can you can you can you can you boot into the BIOS there's a lot of boot into the BIOS I didn't see a splash screen that lets you delete that's possible mmm okay we're gonna scan the computer clean it clean those files Wow one second virus comb that's impressive boom computer protected I wish it was that easy cool alright small wise this is nothing accurate about the simulator all right pick up the computer and throw it there backdoor through that your enemies click their reward look at this hell yeah hundred dollars bitches we're now in the positive and we're gonna get an answer thank you for picked fixing my PC it's moving faster than it has in years Wow this package is satisfied with their service he'll slide really quickly I know like literally two seconds after you we just earned $100 that's good money that's awesome money quitting my day job to build pcs what's next what's next I've got the bug all right so obviously since our first interaction went so well you know we got some referrals from other people yeah how does how do these referrals pop up so quickly I don't know so we need a name or Tony easy start Fiverr two gigs SATA Drive okay yeah fine fine could you look at my PC it's running as well remove viruses all right we know how to do that that's easy and then we got a graphics card is fried itself I need to replace by a GTX 970 needs to be replaced the same one GTX 970 maybe one of the Cheyenne ones okay she and Jonathan Berg GTX tents of a gamer okay real brand what it's not a real brand doesn't mean she and how do i is she in how do i how do i order new just a shop we gotta go to the shop all right this is too complicated and then 70 I want I want a prebuilt desktop simulator where you just buy a computer and then it just ships this is to say what she said right the 970 gamer yeah we get that and that's inaccurate it should actually say 3.5 gigabyte sad it should say 3.0 inaccurate I'm very disappointed in the authenticity of this application all right we got Next Day Delivery for 30 bucks or three or five working days for ten bucks I can't imagine that we're gonna do I don't wanna pay $30 for shipping that's okay emails back Queen Britney our account is overdrawn make her pay we know that your life doesn't always run smoothly so we can provide a free overdraft for all your customers forever Jeff limit is $1,000 so we can get it we can get up to $1,000 in the hole free money free - exactly how that should work all right why are your stools so they can go pink or semi opaque I think that's because you must be level three to build the second workbench you must have a gtx 1080 to render these - you must be level eight to build the third workbench so we got to level up get a level up in our pc building skills kyle it's a role-playing game there's also a fire - fire extinguisher up here and we got a z97 and Wi-Fi no and we got a huge power strip we got some CDR w's there apparently as well all right we're it's got into the world no ending the day to advance to tomorrow pay rent $500 cool so that's what it's like that this is basically what Paul and I deal with every day if you ever wanted to know what our lives are like just play this game but we could do this accurate it's like a hundred percent we could do this and simulate it yeah and then we just make computers all day and give them to people and they forget to order them more Tony's Easter 500 gig let me shoot it I feel like this almost makes a bad name for PC bowling because I feel like building a computer in real life is way more fun than this and most people who are curious about building their own pcs are gonna play this simulator and be like well that's something I'm never doing in real life that was terrible Alice only just need to remove the viruses from me just gonna play it a little bit longer before it's good you should start going over a donation let's let's go over donations um the junkman thank you very much for the 1000 donation both of you are the ones who helped me build my first PC about to build another just wanted to say thanks and I only go to your channels for advice messed up the last one lol thank you very much Chuck man good luck on your second build and very glad that the first one was a success and that we were able to help you with that Congrats though photos Iggy so two foes Iggy $5.00 hello ba portugee been watching awesome hardware since since episode 39 but I haven't been able to donate till now thank you tax returns a good job you did a good thing for once thank you very much Ziggy appreciated man another one from Ziggy five dollars displaying the tax return equally but between Paul and Kyle enjoy nice I like that I like tax socialism bitch bazinga X $20.00 for more makeup Paul being a casual gamer will I see much difference between 5 milliseconds and 1 millisecond response time monitor only to the very trained eye will you see a difference in my opinion I could be gaming on a 1 millisecond or 5 millisecond response time monitor and really have the same experience I think unless you are that in tune or a professional gamer would you really see a huge noticeable difference 5 milliseconds is still fairly fast especially if you can get that on an IPS panel where the color reproduction is a lot greater than say a TN panel that doesn't have to shift things as quickly and and can be quicker so I think 5 milliseconds is just fine I would just say if you're going with IPS 5 milliseconds is fine if it's TN then you might as well go for 1 milliseconds because it's faster if I vary less I agree Phillip Rams $10 mr. Paul with you going to solar will you be totally off the grid now hidden away from government eyes and other undesirables not completely I'm still connected to the grid and I mmm everything will be backed up on the solar and the power wall except for the AC I don't use the AC very often but they see will still be on the grid Brad jolly $5 dos equis or Tecate too late already ported Osakis just copped a shirt from each of your stores keep up the good work thank you very much Brad I would probably prefer Dos Equis over Tecate me too lesser of the two evils you know Ducati does have the cool bald eagle though that's very sweet trolling trolling ttan 20 Canadian jessica's Kyle sucks sometimes LOL jk thanks Troma Killington great pick me up and to boost to my confidence you know you no that's no I'm just kidding everyone's entitled to their own opinions and sometimes you're right sometimes I do suck just just ask my wife she'll tell you Kyle Kyle sex all the time hi lung $5 from the love from Texas Kyle you should do a weekly pay my PC video surprise no one has paid money to tell you this before a weekly pimp my PC video weekly weekly maybe maybe monthly maybe monthly would be cool I mean I try to do that with booted booted was like a livestream series that I did I was rapping about it booted just just didn't take off I mean I think live a live web series for YouTube was a bit premature back then I think it still is streaming on YouTube just hasn't caught on like twitch has obviously but I did like the idea of booted and I still you know who knows one day I might try something similar to it just in a different way but well I guess we'll see but yeah 10 my PC is a has been a very popular segment on awesome hardware and we don't plan on stopping it anytime soon maybe we'll do some something else with it as an extension later down the line Bradley long $10 I like beans beards and now beams beans like the food I like beans too oh and by the way love watching the live streams thoughts about the HP Envy x-360 Ivers and support for rising new processors I've heard the HP Envy s the X the HP MVS have been pretty good I don't know about the particular model that you have they look super sexy if you having graphics drivers issues I don't know I mean try reinstalling them that's a pretty obvious first step and I can't I can't really say what else is the issue I'm not too familiar with that particular model of laptop haven't actually had one in the studio but good luck hope everything works out hope you're still I like how the music in this game has sort of gotten more a beat as you've continued making more systems and yes obviously it's more girls along with with your progress yeah makes sense yeah I'm feeling it Cole Jackson five Canadians I hate that I live in Canada sometimes I was gonna buy the bit with desk Matt but Canadian shipping is $15 so here's the donation because y'all are awesome thank you very much mr. Jackson we appreciate the donation and I'm sorry that shipping costs can sometimes be extreme I agree I'm from either of our stores that is sort of the nature of the beast but we do what we can and believe it or not those shipping rates are better than what they were in years prior we're constantly trying to hammer that down cuido Cellucci $5 i went out that the X 370 boards already have a toe to toe 11 AC plus one AMD okay not natively they're not all of them that may not integrate depends on what that article article said no I I have a couple X 370 boards at home or the office that aren't Wi-Fi compatible so I guess it just depends it's literally left up to the manufacturers at that point if they want to integrate that Shane smart six dollars and sixty six cents good job Paul you set my Google pixel to excel off when expand exciting about the new Intel motherboards I have a decibel speaker integration lol sorry nice that's just the world we live in folks you know it's a heart it's a harsh life coolly seven seven seven zero seven five dollars well a 1080i bottleneck in eighty six hundred K I'd say overclocked that sucker and you're good to go honestly that is one of the fastest gaming chips on the market in terms of IPC's and if you overclock it you should have no problem pairing it with that card clint Flippo four dollars what's up my dudes do you think do you guys drink your beer warm or is there a cooler into the table I've wondered about this for years years we haven't even done the show years you've probably done it for like a year and a half been doing the show for a few years now has been like two years this is a three year range now oh wow okay well I didn't realize that was that old no we have gray and we're in the one hundred and forty five range how many weeks we're gonna 5232 yeah it has been almost three time just flies I know it's kind of scary um no we have beer in the fridge and let me just pull it out when we need it it's pretty straightforward no mystery no mystery there no veiled curtain pub Shepard $10 I'll be off line line you read this but here's some money I think my FX 8350 may be dying random freezes last image on screen and sound stops I ran mem test to replace the PS you ran past no fixed yeah you never know man I mean it's probably an old chip if you especially if you buy it around the time of its release it's definitely showing signs of age at this point and it could very well just be a dying CPU that does happen Brandon Jacobs $5.00 watch many of your streams and this is my first live stream love you guys keep it up thank you very much Brandon thank you for being here thank you read it hopefully you join us for the next movie didn't scare you away too bad on that note I have one Johnson shout out to Brad Johnson to bringing up a metallic silver logo bit wit shirt thank you very much sir appreciated sir that's it I have a few Johnson's I have one Brad gets double Johnson doesn't Brad he also got the tri-blend thumbscrews shirt from me a couple more here from Edgar a Kansas Thank You Edgar Johnson to you the stainless steel bottle opener with the thumb screw whoo which is really nice Brandon sexy Brandi from Ohio also gets in Johnson he got the key cap and some screw details Johnson deckle the deckle dick thank you announce it to you whoo all right that's that's it we're done it's all she wrote folks we do have a raid at which rate that we could bestow upon all of y'all this is Warwick TV w AR which WI TCH TV war which TV or much TV according to his stream page he is playing some do one of my favorite PC games of all time and he's earns nightmares came in 60fps apparently so guys show him some love he's got 125 viewers at the moment let's let's crank that up fivefold show him what we're made of South hard to it guys that's that's pretty much the end of the show it is thank you all so much for watching if you enjoyed the times up button if you are watching and you want to watch it all again and make timestamps for us we greatly appreciate that and if you post those in the comments we will pin it we will find someone in Pentos and in the meantime we have more videos coming out later this week right yes okay so subscribe both of our channels for all that stuff that he has so much for watching as always and go watch watch TV okay alright bye bye guys