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it's a very socialist I was to describe that but don't take that out of context let's let's let's get into the actual stuff we're gonna talk about just get into it oh that's wrong that's completely wrong that's mud wrestle with it Oh lower thirds Larry we're relearning everything Todd heavy hardware is what we're gonna start out with so I'm just a new hardware to discuss um some of its in the future so I kind of broke the rules with the segment a little bit but in the future cares about that yeah in the future but this is available right now the asus rog swift PG to 7uq there's actually two new monitors that are finally out these monitors are 4k g-sync with HDR and they're 27 inches there's this Asus one and then there is also a where there's an Acer right yes there's a nicer one - yeah there's an Acer one - the Easter predator X 27 so good old Ken Addison over a PC / has checked this out and done a full review so again linked in the description if you guys want to check it out and get all the gritty details but here's kind of the spec sheet right here 27 inch 4k 144 Hertz g-sync of course with HDR DisplayPort 1.4 for millisecond great great response time 1001 contrast ratio capable capable of displaying 1.07 billion colors which which is the 10-bit color gamut but it is actually an 8-bit display with dithering and thankfully they did put that out on this on this thing to be nice of them somewhat specific so yeah basically it's sort of like a handful of some of the best features that you people have been looking for in a gaming monitor not just the 4k resolution but also the high refresh rate and HDR and and the g-sync it's also got 384 zone local dimming for the back lights and it's even compatible with display HDR 1000 and that is one of the differences between the asus monitor and Acer does have the display HDR 1000 certification whereas the Acer does not speculation the article is that somehow Asus did like got better source like the the panels are probably coming from the same location I believe but they actually did a teardown in the article for instance there is an active cooling fan back behind the the vase amount which I thought was sort of interesting it's also a fairly like bulky display like it's got a big old that's gonna leave a corner it's big it's there we go a big thick display I've seen I have checked this out at some shows because it's been teased for a while 18 months Sunday since they first actually revealed this it was demoed at CES 2017 those look at the back though so you can also see it's got some RGB that's that scroll wheel in the back I don't know I'm not sure what that does I want to touch it it's an extra just a mouse scroll when you just scroll it on the back there just think emergency scroll wheels you're looking at the back of the monitor and you decide you want to scroll I guess there's also a full keyboard behind now a few interesting things about the display related in the article one is that you can't quite get the maximum refresh rates as well as the maximum color gamut 98 Hertz is the limits at which the monitor will switch from a four four four four four chroma subsampling to four to two which can have different effects it's not gonna affect you for like watching movies and stuff like that so HDR content in that respect will be okay but four to two compared to four four four is sometimes blamed unlike some like texts having sort of being a little bit blurry at the edges and stuff simply because there's not as much color data per pixel so yeah if you want to go max refresh rates you do lose a little bit of the color depth they said that using the monitor in 98 Hertz mode was a good compromising 98 Hertz with juice Inc is a nice smooth display but since it is a $2,000 monitor it has just gone up on up for pre-order on Friday for 2 grand 2 grands a lot for a 27-inch monitor so it is something that someone investing that much would probably be interested in knowing about did go for pre-order Friday June 22nd I believe it's a new egg listed release date is July 13th which was a little bit later than aces originals originally promised launched which was late June but just a few more weeks to two and a half weeks or so and in the meantime of course you can read the article and get all the all the dirty info very very III I got through most of this article and it was very well done by Ken I especially liked the full teardown that they did in the back they said it wasn't too difficult to get inside of but here is the actual new g-sync module so you guys can get a look at it and they actually looked at this they looked at a lot of the identifying marks and codes and whatnot on all the circuits and chips that were on there they were able to determine that this is FPGA from Altera it's the Intel Altera area 10g X 480 FPGA there's also a bunch of ddr4 memory on there a total of three gigs ddr4 is not cheap right now cheaper than it used to be but quote from the article is I wouldn't be surprised to see this FPGA alone making up $500 of the final price points of these new displays let alone the cost of the ddr4 memory so if you're looking at that $2,000 price tag I mean like man g-sync monitors are expensive it Atlee I mean there's two ways to look at it one is like yeah she sync monitors that your premium they're still premium products it'd be nice to see some more budget ones but the other side is like well at least you can look at this hardware and you can kind of price out and be like alright it's not just some months it's not just some crappy little chip in there that's like doing some quick Hardware validation to make sure you actually have the right hardware for g-sync support yeah there's actually some old bloom stuff going on there so yeah conclusions from PC perspective are that it's expensive makes sense yeah that's pretty straightforward it also is a 27 inch 4k monitor and I certainly have had experiences with 27 inch 4k monitors in the past where I was like you know 27 inches is a little small it's a little small for a 4k monitor I have ever gaming what's really tiny yeah Windows 10 has improved some of that scaling stuff a little bit's but yeah 32 inches like Maya that's my sweet spot for 4k yeah it's for 16 16 by 9 aspect ratio so it'll be cool to see one of these in 32 inches although God knows how much that will actually cost after noting those caveats they said everything else is really awesome pretty much as you would expect also the true HDR they were very complimentary of that you have to have the right source material of course to really take advantage of HDR or at least those significant difference did they say what kind of games they tested what kind of HDR games we're tested it's all it's something that's on the third page I don't know my gaming impressions may be far cry 5 or something cry 5 yes okay which is one of the modern games designed for this year in mind yeah okay well that's good I'm glad that they nailed the HDR down finally because it's true HDR taking screenshots of HDR games is difficult so these photos of the screen we're taking with an iPhone X and it's almost like what's the point of taking the pictures but they also tried out destiny - okay cool yeah cuz HDR has been really hit and miss for gaming monitors up until now I think so yeah this is a feature that a lot of people have been waiting for so yes that's cool if you got the money and if you're okay with 27 inch 4k then PC / gave it the gold award so there you go comes comes recommended let's move on though to the next bit of cotton have you heard we're so XIII 90 we've kind of discussed chipsets like over the past say year or so and how they've gotten progressively more confusing and how there's this sort of annoying back-and-forth going on between Intel and AMD with the chipset naming schemes and like there's too many different chipsets and it's baffling at times so when we heard that the Intel was going to launch a z3 90 chipset a successor to z3 70 which was just launched towards the end of last year it added another sort of wrench or just another chipset to keep him to keeping your minds to the mix of all the rest of them that were already there and now apparently they might be scrapping it so this is not confirmed information it is still in the rumor category but according to this article from OSI 3d Dot nets until might just not go it just might not produce z3 90 at all or at least not in the way that they had explained to us that it would now to step back and realize why they needed a z3 90 as well as a z3 70 in the first place is z3 70 was rushed basically they needed an answer to AMD's launch a verizon they wanted to get higher core counts on their mainstream platform they decided to make a z3 70 chipset as well as a LGA 1151 socket that wasn't backwards compatible with last generation skylake incapabie like processors it was only compatible with the newest copy leaked processors and that is their current mainstream platform now Intel is currently sort of straddling a couple different nodes as far as what they're actually manufacturing so the older Z 370 chipset was actually manufactured on 22 nanometer manufacturing process but earlier this year in like April Intel launched the sort of lower and LGA 1151 socket chipsets which were H 370 be 360 I think there's like a h3 10 as well and those actually had advantages over z3 70 launched last year which was that they had native USB 3.1 gen2 support as well as integrated Intel wireless AC which is nice to have for chipset z3 70 boards launched last year did have those features but they were added on with like a chip that was a you know it's separate from the chipset itself it is that native right and there there are pros and cons to that but usually the native stuff is is best there has been in the past so rumor has it that Intel is scrapping the z3 90 and instead replacing it with a refreshed z3 70 chipset while also using third-party controllers to offer the same features as their original z3 90 chipset so promise of z3 90 was it would be manufactured on 40 nanometer instead of 22 nanometer I would integrate USB 3.1 gen2 and wireless AC now they're saying they're going to do like a z3 70 like version to write that like so that would be like a manufacturer requirement so motherboards that are that z3 70 updated version would be required to have those features in order to provide parity with like you know cuz it kind of sucks to be like it'd be like oh yeah here's an h3 70 board which is theoretically lower ends but it actually has 802 that 11 AC which this supposedly higher ends z3 70 board doesn't act doesn't have because I'm sure that's not the case across all of those motherboards so yeah it's it's confusing a little bit but there does seem to be some reason behind it according again to the article it says some claim until it's hitting peak capacity that for their 40 nanometers process node limiting their production there's been lots of discussion about 10 nanometer and and the hardware that's based on that like cannon lake being delayed and that means that their current mainstream lineup is still being manufactured on 14 nanometer something they move their chipsets to that same process and there they're hitting capacity again according to the article is what they're saying so they don't have any more room to manufacture more 40 nanometer stuff because all of their mainstream processes right now are on 40 nanometer their new low range chipsets for the 300 series around 40 nanometer and now adding AZ 390 chipset to that production lineup as well is simply too difficult or too tough to keep up with again according to the article if this rumor is true so does this mean that z9t will no will never be a thing or do you think that they will eventually have a Z 390 chipset that is that actually has a new process the article is to be believed Z 390 will just never be an actual product that launches ok there will be a Z 370 refet refresh right and that will be hit I see on the plus side one less chipset skew to have to remember Z 390 versus C 370 versus H 370 versus B 360 versus H 310 I think I actually got all those correct Wow like that's that's that's Intel mainstream that's not including any of the other chipsets from like the just a year ago that's not even diving into the AMD stuff that they have going on and and that's already confusing in and of itself so removing Z 390 from that list it's kind of like just a smidge simplifies that lineup until you find out that the next generation of Intel chipsets is called Z 470 yeah yeah then you're like fuck so but anyway just at least something to keep in mind especially if you were someone who is maybe like waiting for Z 390 I don't know I don't know if there's any people who were kind of like hanging out I've been like once see 390 launches that's what I'm gonna build my new gaming PC but again this falls under the rumor category so green assault and all that okay oh that one last thing to point out the downsides apart to what we've already mentioned of a refresh 22 nanometers III 70 is it would consume a little bit more power because you do get some power draw savings with the smaller node and then of course manufacturers that use three pretty chips for the promised features just like they already have with c37 um but now there'd be some sort of actual set requirements for calling your motherboards III 70 that's what speaking of Intel and chipsets and Intel's mainstream platform Intel 8 core CPUs have also been rumored since Intel launched the six core coffee lake 8700 K yep they they've been people being like well they're probably gonna do an 8 core since AMD now has a core on their main stream platform and core count is often one of the fundamental things people look at and it just looks bad to Intel for AMD to be able to say look we have this eight core on rayna that you can get set up with so there have been rumors and speculation about an eight core Intel mainstream CPU not just for the desktop consumer side but also the zeon side and Xeon does have a small LGA 1151 socket platform as well the question has been though that if Intel does actually come out with and launch any core CPU since just last year they forced people who were on the previous platform who wanted to go from four cores to six cores to buy a new 300 series chipset motherboard now if they launched an eight core mainstream one like would you have had to have buy that bought that z3 90 or the z3 70 version two that we that we just discussed yeah in order to support that said eight core CPU we're kind of in the exact same spot we were a year ago because we're once again dealing with Intel changing the number of cores on their main stream chip and according to some potential information this actually came out from an antic a poster called dune posted some screenshots actually digging into the code of 300-series motherboard bios's by bios ease however you gonna say and they found that there actually does appear to be listing for eight core processors or support or just information in there about eight core processors z 370 and h3 ten motherboards have hidden bias options that reference support for up to eight processing cores as you can kind of see in the screenshot that they posted a further verified by a redditor eric 98k who also found similar references and bios files from as rock and gigabyte woozi 370 motherboards so the fact that it's ended multiple boards multiple chipsets from multiple vendors does seem to indicate that that might be the case but of course different motherboards have different power delivery if Intel was to like go with this type of support maybe they could make various modes that the eight core processor could operate in so like if you you know if they're talking h3 ten here for an 8 core processor if you drop the highest-end eight core cpu from Intel whatever that ends up being into an h3 time motherboard that's you know a budget $70 board or something like that I wouldn't expect it to be able to run on all eight cores at whatever maximum turbo frequency it's supposed to hit like that so maybe there's different modes that it can run in like have lower TDPS so that it can actually operate in boards that have you know they don't quite have the power delivery to match up with that this is all speculation but just you know it could be done Intel could definitely arrange this and according to this at least it seems like maybe that is what they're doing if you look at the same information on z3 70 boards there's only four options available for four cores four core count one two three and all if you look at that and though on Intel three hundred cities motherboards you can see listings for one through eight as well as all mentioned explicitly so a slight variation there because the older boards don't have one two three four and all but just just a minor issue but littl little little details pulled from the depths of the internet shared with you guys here there we go that's all for on heavy hardware cool hopefully we'll find out more information about that soon and I'm sure we'll share it with you guys here on the show or or we won't in the video or perhaps we'll just won't do that at all you'll never know unless you find out elsewhere all right let's belong moving on you know we're doing some news yeah we're just driving straight through my content for my half of the show we're gonna do Q&A after this so if you guys have any other any questions for us please please go ahead and post that and I want to say a big shout-out to cell so cells around here right yeah hi cell he's around cells our mod he thank you for being here so okay let's get into tech news I should give it I should also give a shout out to keidel cuz Kyle actually helps gather some of this tech news for me today I did yes you've all been warned I had to drop nori off because she was getting some surgery today is she done with it yet or I haven't heard an update from my life but she's got a she's got a her back leg her paw right some with her paw her front paw has a little weird but it's actually her back leg that is getting the surgery it's it doesn't it's it's like that joint isn't isn't lining up correctly so yeah we need to make sure she can keep running and playing so everyone everyone say little little prayer for nori yeah sure she'll be she'll be fine that's a very nice place that she that she's getting taken care of at but she's a fighter she'll be good again this jacket for tonight pair players are apparently players are paying up to $450 for discs big discs face copies this is the title this headline is players paying a porter than 50 for disk based copies of fortnight who said it just fine Lucinda jar for me so in case anyone wasn't aware for tonight is very popular very popular game you know for tonight is popular because when Kyle and I played it when we did the livestream that we just did on Sunday and we played for at night there bunch of people like Fortin it sucks so you know yeah on top because once somes too popular it's big areas that there's a groundswell of hatred for that by people who are obviously too cool well I wasn't gonna say that I was this a very intelligent very intelligent discerning individuals too intelligent veterans if you are into fortnight's then maybe you are into collectibles too and because there was a brief period of time where there were physical copies gearbox software published a limited number of physical disk copies a fortnight for PlayStation 4 and Xbox one and PC but only in Europe so if you're a PC player apparently European physical copies of the game this was alongside the games paid early access release last July so this was well before fortnight kind of blew up when the free-to-play battle royale mode was launched was which was in September these were $60 each when the games actually came out and now they're selling for significantly more than that and the article they looked at recently sold copies on eBay and found that if you include everything new used and sealed it was selling for an average of 130 bucks a me and a hundred and ten dollars that's just over the past two weeks so that means I imagine probably used and you know damaged ones are selling for less but probably even more than that for the ones that are sealed right now if you look at used copies on Amazon from third-party sellers and a minimum of a hundred and seventy five dollars is what you have to pay for a bare disc without the case Mike those Amazon third-party sellers just cutthroat Jesus cutthroat but more on Amazon third-party sellers later in the show did not realize that was gonna be it's a call back but there it is the theme for today that's insane Aris Technica did ask if or tried to find out if there would be a potential rerelease of physical copies not that it would matter because you know the real collector's items would be the original ones still but gearbox did not reply to them at all and Epic Games said no plans to announce right now so if you really like fortnight now if you have if you have like a significant other a spouse who really likes for tonight the ultimate gift a $400 plus copy of the game that they already have nothing says I love you like buying the same game triple price I actually feel bad for people who don't know that you can buy fortnight or that it's technically free online and who just walk into a Game Stop and see like a disc copy for a hundred and seventy bucks and think just terrible price how many don't realize that it's just the disc only price I'm sure like there's someone who's told like a mom or a grandma or something or dad or grandpa like oh I want this game and they go and they see it and they just like buy it and then the kid they get back home and the kids playing it already you better play this game no returns for difference yeah okay benefit of hard copied hard copy video okay moving along we have any brief collection of stories all from gamers Texas we stole them this is a gamers and exes is we are gamers Nexus Hardware news from three days ago and haha Steve we are stealing we're stealing these stories just a couple of them though and we're not gonna go over every single one because they were interesting and they were all so succinctly discussed here so Steve will definitely come after come after us and if Steve's us come after us as previously mentioned slightly scary stories were actually gathered by Kyle so blame pat down fuck as the first one is Nvidia has apparently over ordered GPUs so NVIDIA has GPUs manufactured by GPU manufacturing but by chip manufacturing plants they ordered too many apparently and one vendor according to gamers Nexus has actually began attempts to and excess GPUs that have been purchased this is a combination of them ordering too many probably during the height of the crystal mining craze and then some vendors not being able to sell them and possibly wanting to return chips back to Nvidia as when we're talking about vendors here we're talking about the adding board partners that get the chips and then integrate them onto onto the boards to sell according to Steve a few other sites heard similar news from their own sources there's very mysterious sources they're not named directly in the article so obviously they're not to be trusted but digi times has also reported that Adam board partners are expected to see their shipments fall in the second half of 2018 due to the waning cryptocurrency markets so crypto not like not like crypto is gone or anything but just mining cryptocurrency with graphics cards has started has dropped off a decent amount in the past few months so there's less cryptocurrency miners buying those GPUs now here's the weird part all shipments and profits I'm sorry as shipments and profits shift downwards so they're making less money and they're shipping less GPUs due to the demand shrinking prices are still suspects suspected to remain high why because everything you learned in economics was wrong apparently it was all lies yeah so mr. Sinclair so how could you supply as high that misinformation demand has gone down prices is expected to remain the same I don't I don't fully understand that do you we could be experiencing something similar to when we had all the the crazy floods in Thailand and the price of hard drive spiked up and then they never after the floods were gone the prices never really went back to their normal previous state they just realized that they could still sell and make a profit off of hard drives out of crazy high price so they went down a little bit but they never actually went back down what they were before well anytime you have an excuse to raise prices as a manufacturer you're probably gonna want to try to keep those prices high as long as you can and whether they're doing that you know legitimately or not is always a question and there certainly have been examples in the industry in the past of that not being then legit legitimately not that I know anything about the hard drive thing that happened never tell I'll never tell it doesn't matter anyway this because Steve from gamers Nexus has already spotted us and we've already been caught red-handed he said stop right there criminal scum damn it Steve while giving us five dollars in haha he's also fallen for our trap joke's on you and giving us money back we were watching we're watching a gamers Texas video right before the show went live actually we should have more on that on Kyle's half of the show indeed all right let me let me let me moochmore from Steve's work here yes No so what are you saying here is that the profit margins are still gonna stay around 20% which is which is high compared to what it would normally be in a normal market it's 10% but still much lower than the 40 to 50% profit margins we were seeing when all the graphics cards were ridiculously overpriced at the height of the mine increase so I don't know I don't know if there's some sort of like careful measuring being done with the amount of cards that are just sent to retailers to sell to sort of get through this transition between the high demand to the lower demand phase but it's it's I kind of have to wait and see because the idea that NVIDIA has way too many GPUs to sell especially if they're 10 series GPUs which we're expecting a successor to at some point this year then where will those 10 series GPUs go like I have to imagine that at some point there will be a bunch of duty' X 10 80s for like super cheap or you know the 1070 will have official price slashed or something like that but you also have to remember it's not just the GPUs it's the memory as well and the memory has also caused have been a significant factor in the higher prices of graphics cards so the RAM suppliers speaking Wow I'm doing great segues here speaking of memory yeah the next seamless next a little bit we're stealing here from from gamers and exes is that DRAM suppliers we mentioned this like a month and a half ago back when we used to do awesome hardware Samsung SK Hynix and micron which represent 90% of the DRAM market could now be facing an tried antitrust fines of up to 8 billion dollars in China for price-fixing so China has a price-fixing investigation going on towards these manufacturers specifically China is one I believe it's the largest consumer of DRAM in the world when it comes to a single market pretty sure that's true but yet you should mention that as the high mark eight billion is the high point if they if they found guilty vendors face fines ranging from 800 million dollars up to eight billion dollars which is a reasonable swing so is this why DRAM so expensive right now because of all the price-fixing I mean it's a theory 90% of any but but again like we mentioned before if a manufacturer has a legitimate reason and there are definitely legitimate reasons for prices to go up based on output and demand and a wealth of different factors but if there is a reason for them to legitimately increase the price of a product you'll often find them finding ways some better than others to maintain that high price because if you can sell the same product especially in technology if you can sell the same product this year for the same price or more than you sold it for last year and we've done no additional research and developments and so like you know a new version of that product or whatever I mean all that aside then you're gonna want to keep doing that sure it's like oh we can you mean zpz you mean we can produce less and make more money and yf9 less people and have ridiculously higher profit margins yeah it's go ahead and keep doing that so we'll see if that actually comes to be it's it's an ongoing investigation by China so we should all we should all be entitled anyone who bought DRAM in the last ten years should be entitled to reimbursement I mean that's possible just like just like the GTX 970 Fiasco exactly same thing yeah I'll need an extra half gig this is an article from last week so we'll go over it very quickly but Intel CEO Brian krzanich has it sounds like he butchered it but then it actually I think that's like the perfect phonetic zanuck pronunciation it's Brian he's resigned yeah yeah why why did he resign though he resigns because he had a past consensual relationship with another Intel employee was discovered and violated Intel's non-fraternization policy because if you are a high-ranking executive at a company you shouldn't bang people who are in your line of command their line of reporting line that's a which if you're a CEO that's not that means everyone and you're less smart people who work Intel so there are of course no further further juicy details about the about the affair itself but we're going to simulate it here for you a little lower thirds reenactment Brian walked in at 12:05 p.m. but just liked me in a rover like the secretary lying on the table mr. brain process notice seems to be that your processor was supposed to be shrinking everybody's point being he's gone CFO Bob Swan has been assigned as interim CEO until a permanent replacement is found because I had joined Intel in 1982 he became CEO in 2013 and he has overseen a pretty pretty critical points in Intel's recent past from 2013 where Intel was kind of like just kind of had it good when it came to competition in the cpu market and they're like focusing on other things they were transitioning to a data centric business and evolving past the PC segment but thankfully for all of us who like to build our own computers and like to do high-end stuff with them and and actually need cpu horsepower like the desktop has not gone anywhere people continue to find uses for stuff that you can't do on a laptop or a tablet and as a results we see stuff like the the resurgence of AMD this year and and it is good but hopefully maybe this bit of shake-up at the top of Intel might be an additional kick in the pants not I feel like they're beginning lots of kicks in the pants over the past year year and a half yeah and it would be nice to see them refocused in certain areas and given their response to AMD difficulties with 10 nanometers stuff that I just sort of assumed Intel had like in their back pocket waiting for AMD to launch something so they could be like oh here's what we have that we've just been sitting on because like a competition haven't really seen any of that it mostly seemed like Intel like floundering with certain stuff like 10 nanometer and and all that so I just got so side like what's the word just so caught off-guard perhaps perhaps complacent with their dominance in the CPU markets and then maybe suddenly decided oh we needed to diversify and go into other areas those are the areas because you know Intel have been the chip King for so long you know maybe aren't panning out quite as much for them as they could have so there we go you know Intel stock though since this was news from five days ago let's take a look at it right now this is the one this is just today let's look not the greatest can you tell when the news broke 6:25 they were about summer 21st 21st they were like having a great day they had a nice bump right here and then like news broke damn I mean it's not a new CEO leaving yeah okay what's on the 21st it's not a terrible drop-off same there they were they peaked here at in the mid 54 range they've done a forty nine point eight five as of the close of the market today it's Betty bad I don't trade stocks so I just I just lived away alright let's move on WPA three you guys use Wi-Fi right sure of course by WPA to the best for now wireless Wi-Fi security standard actually has been around for a long time it was introduced over a decade ago in 2004 during the George W Bush administration I don't know what I seen that needs to associate it with that but whatever but the Wi-Fi Alliance has now announced WPA three the protocol itself has been finalized so the simplified version is that new Wi-Fi routers will come a stronger protections for the data that flows between your computers phones smart home devices and your internet connection that's the that's that's that's the laypersons explanation of it but where does this information where does this standard come from the Wi-Fi Alliance the lines like I made up like a fictional fictional group thing sounds like the Wi-Fi Alliance that were taking down the land Empire right away land Empire and the Wi-Fi Alliance the rebellious Wi-Fi Alliance the dark Wi-Fi Lord I'm just making this up yep okay no it's all real the Wi-Fi Alliance controls the Wi-Fi certified logo so pretty much any Wi-Fi device you have has that Wi-Fi certified logo it it confirms that it adheres to a set of standards so that it will have inter operated interoperability with other Wi-Fi certified stuff the Alliance itself is a group of companies which includes 3com arrow net which is acquired by Cisco apparently this is this is from Wikipedia by the way here is semiconductor Lucent Nokia and simple technologies which is now zebra technologies also they have key sponsors including some you may have heard of Apple Comcast Samsung Sony LG Intel Dell broadcast Broadcom Cisco Qualcomm Motorola Microsoft Texas Instruments and t-mobile I've never heard of any a pretty significant group of manufacturers obviously this is why Wi-Fi is everywhere is because every company that makes anything is part of the Wi-Fi Alliance apparently the benefits will be better protection against certain hacking attacks against your Wi-Fi connections such as the offline dictionary based attack which allows hackers to make endless guesses at what your Wi-Fi password is or the recent crack flaw that we discussed on the live show last year in October by the way if you weren't watching that show and you're not familiar with crack and you use Wi-Fi and you have a router and you have not updated the firmware for that router since say September October of last year go update your routers firmware because if you haven't it's still susceptible to crack decay yes now just because the standard has been has been finalized it doesn't mean that you can immediately buy products based on that in fact manufacturers usually wait until the products are till these standards are finalized or at least close to that before they start bringing products to market I'm sure there's a lot of manufacturers that have stuff in developments but now that it's been finalized they can actually start bringing products to market but it's probably gonna be a few months if not like 2019 until you can actually actually buy stuff with that native WPA 3 supports no information in the article as to if it's going to be anything that could be backwards compatible via a software firmware update to existing hardware I'm not going to speculate on that right now maybe I guess ok I did speculate I said maybe but in decent chance you're gonna need new hardware for this though so the point at which you have WPA 3 encryption across all of your Wi-Fi connected devices including smart devices you might have in the home or like if your cellphone needs an update and your router needs an update and your Wi-Fi you know your your your cards and native Wi-Fi adapters and your computers but yeah if we find out more information on that in the future we'll probably uh probably that you know WPA 3 yay whoo more security if it's better than two Security's good final story here from the Supreme Court in the United States yeah lots of stuff discussed about the Supreme Court in the United States but we're going to take a fairly narrow view of just this one that relates to technology oh good ok because otherwise the inspector right but among other things the Supreme Court has recently been handed an a bunch of decisions by a very familiar five-to-four decision the Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that's you have to pay tax with your online purchases now this was the case itself was South Dakota versus Wayfair South Dakota I'm pretty sure it has been charging tax or like if any if if anyone in South Dakota buys anything online from anywhere else you have to charge them tax and the difference here is is being charged tax when you pay like at the retailer versus buying something from say a third party or a marketplace where maybe you didn't know this you're supposed to keep track of that yourself and then pay that text yeah customers were generally supposed to pay tax to the state themselves if you were not charged by the merchants prior to net but the vast majority did not thirty-one states currently have laws taxing internet sales so before now businesses were required to collect sales tax only when shipping products to a state where they had a physical for instance Kyle and I both used to work at Newegg when we worked at Newegg we couldn't do anything in Washington because Washington had Nexus laws about state sales tax and if Newegg did anything that that gave them a physical presence in Washington this is years ago by the way things have changed right now we've been away from the company for quite a while but if knowing did anything that was a that gave them a physical presence in Washington including sending us as workers on Newegg TV to go up and cover like pax pax prime used to be pax prime then suddenly you legally have to charge everyone in Washington sales tax when they bought stuff at new way so that's just an example so if you look at the biggest online retailer right now Amazon they have actually been charging the tax nationwide for a while now I believe they started doing that so that sometime last year may be 2016 but Amazon's marketplace items which represents a third or more of their in total sales do not charge tax so tracking laws I'm saying so if you buy stuff from Amazon an Amazon Marketplace seller right now if you live in state a and you buy it from this other state and it ships to you and gets sent to you with no tax charged that's going to be changing and it's supposed to legally be changing for pretty much any retail anywhere in the US if you are in California and it sells something in New Mexico wherever that person is in New Mexico you need to charge them at the point of sale for the tax for their location and then remit that money back to their states in the future so some consumers are gonna have to pay more taxes now for online sales is what it boils down to which is why this is phrased as a win for states according to this article and yet if you are if you have like a favorite retailer that you like to buy from that's out of state and you never have to pay tax that's gonna be going away if you're in the US do you buy from any websites that don't charge tax not really because either I usually like I actually kind of avoid Amazon Marketplace sellers for the most part I just I mean not always but from time to time socially this I'm sure there's some random stuff I bought that didn't have tax but I don't usually seek it out right and then usually most of my online purchases are gonna or like Amazon or I don't know like I've I bought from like Sweetwater recently and BMH adorama B&H and i'm not sure new i just didn't pay attention i just checked out yeah I think yeah I think it's not something that I really give much thought to but I'm pretty sure that most places I shop online here in California have have tax added right right and check out guido says vnh photo doesn't usually charge sales tax out of outside of New York okay should make sense I mean well if I haven't been charged tax and check out in recent years I have not been keeping tabs on that like if if if we're taking the side of the little guy as far as the consumer I mean obviously if you're paying more tax that's more money out of your pocket so you know that might not be a good thing for you but another thing to consider is the REIT the online retailers themselves because one of the great things about the Internet is the possible ability for a small company you know to suddenly make it big because they get popular on the internet if you're a very small company without that money resources tracking nationwide sales and keeping track of tax situations from for every place you might sell to especially a place like California where a tax varies from County to County not just a statewide amounts that's that's an may be a significant extra amount of work for you to do that hopefully there's software solutions or online point-of-sale solutions that can handle that for for small businesses but something to consider yeah all right that's pretty much wraps it up for the story stories I'm talking about today so we were going to over to the final segments which is QA so you know it's not oh hello thirds for each of these I'll start rattling some off we've got one from bazinga bazinga X $5 for Paul working on his mad face my cat has a matter when she purrs perhaps a matter faced her like the cat makes a mad face I guess spring whimpering apparently oh it's like a pain and pleasure combination there we go you've been working on your mad face Paul knows yeah well because I did man did an angry video angry QA yeah like a little over a week ago and well - did I think so yeah I was so mad I didn't wanna look back mad Paul makes Paul mad I remember myself like that too much yeah but last week like we're gonna we were gonna talk about that but then like a week went by and now we're like I don't know are you gonna talk about that and you're half not really I feel like it's already old news type of thing and yeah kind of a bit I don't want to give it anymore but they I mean I had mixed feelings about it afterwards this was this is the issue that Jay was tweeting about and stuff is some information that went out about youtubers at Computex and accusing us of be basically charging any any vendor that we went to and good coverage of their their Busa their sweets like we were we like forced them to pay us money in order 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copy text read you well and you weren't as drunk as me during the event no thank you Matt I usually save the getting drunk part for after the event I'm gonna get my shit done first and then and then I can raise my face off yeah that's a good pretty easy this year but but yeah I that's I think that you are indicating you were there at Computex so that's cool I wonder if we ran into you or he was just drunk while we were at Computex that's also cool glad you got got to catch this one live man thanks Matt and Roush wire 5 Canadians sup guys great seeing you again what would be a good pairing with a used r9 270 so III can't say this that I've looked at prices just recently or anything but since since the quad-core intel z' are like falling out of style and being replaced by the six cores in the sub sheet I used r9 270 like if you can find something well priced as far as a quad core like a 6600 K or a 6700 K or something like that it's like a z170 like is you know slightly used if you can 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