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exactly the case so just just to clarify a little bit the speed isn't slowing down the numbers that are advertised are being slowed down and this is because new broadband broadband Advertising Standards were introduced as of May of this year so providers have cut the speeds that they advertise so rather than I guess like so the problem was that before they were advertising speeds over too high they were advertising Peaks beats and this hasn't been a problem in the US as well advertised peak speeds and then you go to try to actually download something at you know 8:00 at night 7:00 and whenever they whenever it's very crowded right now work in your local area for Internet traffic suddenly you can't achieve those peak speeds because everyone is actually sharing the same bandwidth so the rules that were put in place were to force internet service providers to actually advertise the speeds that they can provide not to make speed claims that that are you know over there overblown basically most providers as a result have cut the speeds that they advertise or they have stopped meetings making speed claims altogether these major UK Internet service providers include but are not limited to BT EE what's at the ISP names in the UK John Lewis broadband that sounds much more English Plusnet the post office the post office sky talk talk Utility Warehouse and Zen Internet any affiliation better if Aaron if anywhere UK we do have some folks on the UK watch if you like he said by ISP I don't know did I do anything here you know aroused the rules themselves were changed by the Advertising Standards authorities or ASA's committee of advertising practice previously the advertised basic ADSL packages were up to 17 megabits per second for the ISP providers listed above but are now between 10 and 11 megabits per second that's to 41% lower pretty lousy up to 41% more honest you might say hey I'm prior to the changes households are paying for service that were on average fifty one percent looks lower than advertised mmm there you go you k2 effects we have some regulation that went into place and we have some truth in advertising as a result and it would be weird to like so my what I'm curious about is is it would be existing packages like if you're already paying for broadband in the UK like let's sign up for a two-year contract six months ago or something like that are they suddenly switching your plan and like I paid for the hundred you know megabit plan and now they're like actually that plan is now 50 megabit right as a result of these they're like they haven't believed people I don't know i I'd be kind of curious how that actually falls out but let me strangers we've go the next one this is this one's stupid and everyone should be mad about it I see pie who is largely hated by everyone who understands net neutrality and what's been going on in the United States has admitted that the FCC has basically lied about the DDoS attacks and distributed denial of service attacks happened back in 2017 so we followed this on the show we've talked about it many times the FCC and it's sort of ongoing just weird things that it's done with with the Internet's going back to 2015 when they first introduced net neutrality rules like like we talked about it back to that back then like Tom wheeler we weren't sure what Tom wheeler was gonna do and then they're like actually we're gonna do title two and we're gonna actually and we're gonna enforce net neutrality we had that for a couple years and then it was 2017 the FCC introduced what they called the restoring internet freedom Acts which of course is named as completely the opposite thing of what it actually is and went there all that stuff and everyone was mad about it but back in May of last year they opened up a comments like they were like here's the order they have to they have to make it public first and then they have to open up and allow the public to comment on it because the FCC is theoretically an institution that is supposed to serve the people the citizens you know and and do things that help us and make things better so there was a bunch of people that win and commented specifically on May 8th 2017 the entire comet system went down and this was just his word of spreading about the plan to kill net neutrality and this was specifically the effect that's John that John Oliver had because he did last week tonight's show about net neutrality that aired it was very popular a lot of people saw it a lot of people went to a link he created he created actually a couple URLs the people could go to that would take them directly to the comment page because before that I was kind of obfuscated on the FCC website it was more challenging to get to FCC website went down so a lot of people who were trying to go and make a comment right at that particular time who were feeling strongly about this weren't able to make their comments since then there's been a lot of accusations a lot of people who have requested information from the SEC about this supposed DDoS attack and a GTI and his cohorts have basically said it was Vitas attack and you know that's why it went down and and and we're gonna kill net neutrality anyway anyway it's done so they've now come out and admitted specifically that it wasn't or that it wasn't a DDoS attack it was simply an increase in traffic as a results of the show publishing some tweets went out about it the actual reason that he has come out and made a statement about this is because the the inspect the Inspector General sorry I'm I know let's go the FCC inspector general's office investigated this incident and issued a comprehensive report yesterday initially even as you PI and all these douchebags were trying to hold that back and not let it go public it was publicized earlier today it's linked in the article I did read over some parts of it but they list all these things that went on when when the last week tonight showing up and it came down to a 3101 16 percent increase in traffic to the FCC site between May 7th and May 8th the evening of May 7th and then the next day eighth cousin lips had to go down so ultimately this is and to be to be completely fair here the the comment system was then opened for I think three months after that they received nearly twenty four million comments about the restoring Internet freedom order so it's not like this a hundred percent prevented people from going and posting their comment but the fact is they lied about it for well over a year anytime anyone who asked about it they lied about it anytime people tried to request that they investigate it further to actually determine the source of it they did nothing then basically said now just ddos attack we're not going to talk about it more so what was the point though of lying about it like what the point of the point of lying about it is to continue to continue apparently the trend of lying about things in order to trick people into believing things that aren't true I mean also also the point of lying about it was was probably to make an excuse because you know they're supposed to be able to take comments from people people who are supposed to be able to go and offer their opinion about this thing and the fact that the site went down like if they said the site went down because we were flooded like that is somewhat legitimate right but the fact that they made something up and then tried to make an excuse about it and now that the statement has actually been made he hasn't even taken assumed responsibility himself he said the FCC's former CIO chief information officer David Bray is actually the one who who who is at fault here and he was very What did he say I'm deeply disappointed that the FCC's former chief information officer David Bray who was hired by the prior administration and it's no longer with the Commission provided inaccurate information about this incident to me my office Congress and the American people this is completely unacceptable and also disappointed that some working under former CIO apparently either disagreed with the information you're presenting or had questions about anyone damn so it seems like I feel like he's throwing out they like hired to by the prior administration like he had to throw it out there you know who else was hired by the prior administration Ajit PI you freakin that's a new low for very long time they did not investigate it over the past year the only reason that it's even coming out right now is because an intended part and it's an independent investigation by the inspector inspector general took place they knew that this information was going to come out and so as has been the trend they tried to make the make this a public statement about it beforehand in order to come out ahead of the bad news and frame it in the way that he wants to but so if I'm reading this right it seems like the FCC lied about there being DDoS attacks in order to sort of sabotage their own platform for from people voicing their concerns about net neutrality well I mean there's like there's information that we don't know for sure there's accusations that could be made but there we don't have any proof about it like was somebody at the at the FCC who really wanted net neutrality to die and was worried about a bunch of comments coming in that supported it like did they actively go and shut the site down at a time when a bunch of people were trying to access it and make comments right that's that's not that's not known for sure what is known for sure according to the Inspector General general's report is that it was not indeed like there was not an external attack that caused this to happen right so okay so that's stupid oh they're all bunch of douche bag liars ultimately even after many many comments came in they they still repealed or they still went through what they're starring in a freedom order and ignored what everyone had to say about it or at least ignored at least at least didn't investigate further to check in to the 24 million comments that came through to determine which members of them were legitimate and which ones weren't the repeal actually took effect last actually two months ago and now June 8th but in the meantime the Senate has voted 252 247 to overturn it's actually that was back in May still needs of course the house to act on it which probably won't happen many states have introduced legislation to produce net neutral to have introduced legislation to protect net and child at the local level as well so there's not necessarily no hope for for this but it's pretty lame that live with for so long all right let's move on it's bleeping computer has an article about new methods to crack WPA and wpa2 passwords this is specifically on a tour 2.11 networks Jen's Adam stupid stupid Steve dub I don't know how to pronounce his last name someone's name that were pronounced yes that's his name Jen's his first his name is Jen's there's only one of him and his name is Jen's that sounds Nordic perhaps sounds like that it sounds like there'd be two of them anyway Jen's just clarify Kyle's one making fun of your name not me he recently discovered a new technique easily retrieves the PM k ID or pairwise master key identifier from a router using WPA or wpa2 security which is what most people have most people if you're reasonably up on your home internet security wpa2 is probably what you were running right now once you get that pmk ID you can then use it to crack the wireless password of the router and then access the network which is a little scary Jen's is the but is the developer of the hash Kat password cracking tool and he made the discovery while looking for new ways to crack WPA 3 so let's check it out WPA 3 and found a vulnerability with WPA and wpa2 the pmk is part of a normal form of handshake that is used to confirm that both the router and the client know the pre shared key or PSK so there's two things we're talking about here PM k PS k appreciate appreciated key is effectively your wireless password to your wireless network at home the P it so yeah exactly previously for to do an attack on WPA or wpa2 protected routers the crackers would require I'm sorry the attacker would have to wait for an actual logon maker back resistant crackers it's a it's a racial slur against white people false or false really hungry we're gonna be back to my own people in land okay um that's absolutely sick enough right never mind what am i I'm getting distracted here so damn crackers previously if an attacker wanted to actually get into your WPA or wpa2 protected Network you'd actually have to be there when a logon took place this new attack simply has to attempt to authenticate the wireless network at Retriever and a tree with single frame in order to get access to that pmk ID it should be pointed out that the pmk allows you to access a hash that contains the pre shared key you're following all this Kyle oh definitely with you okay but the hash still needs to be cracked but you can take longer or shorter depending on the complexity of your password okay so great all right so - - you've got your device you've got your red and you've got your router right both devices have two sets of information okay pmk and the pants and the PSK right they share those to confirm that the connection is legitimate like you enough to know you have to know the password in order to access it so there's a hidden piece of that and then there's the password that you know okay it's the the attack finds the hidden piece right so it'll it allows you to send that hidden piece over and ask for the for the key the key right but the key that it gets back is encrypted mm-hmm right hey follow me now okay okay so they get really attached it's basically so right once they get that hash then they can attack that and they can try to crack it and the difficulty of cracking that depends on the complexity of your original password so if your wireless password is like it's not or something you know if it's like if it's like if it's like a four or five letter word or something and there's no cat you know it's short and simple then it's gonna be very easy to crack in this situation some two three four five yes it's the same faster to having my luggage alright so the lesson the lesson for you folks at home use a long and complex password on your Wi-Fi perhaps go and change it right now maybe consider updating upgrading to WPA three capable stuff in the future that we've talked a little bit about WP three but I don't think that's widely available yet and also if your router has an automatic password generator you shouldn't use that because knowing what type of router you have which they can sometimes access by wirelessly then they can use that information in order to make it much easier to crack the hash ok ok ok let's move up cool well I look I managed to understand that by the very end of I love the article I love that story up the whole time ok moving on - all right one more one more net watch thing here Microsoft is a bit of a rumor earlier this week that Microsoft is going to be turning Windows 10 into a paid subscription service and you access Windows over the Internet which is why this totally belongs in that watch so this this herechickey this is actually an opinion article which it means he can use you can make fun of people and stuff so it's kind of a fun read if you guys are interested but it's not true basically this started when details about something called Microsoft managed desktop Microsoft managed desktop emerged some people were saying it's gonna replace Windows 10 and you'd have Microsoft managed desktop and then if you have Windows 10 you have to pay a monthly fee now to use it that's ridiculous it's not the case Microsoft managed desktop is actually a desktop service plan meant for businesses I don't know how this initial confused and confusion and cropped up but Microsoft managed desktop will be a single monthly fee but let's a business lease a physical PC so there's actually Hardware involved that is automatically provisioned or set up for that business this PC will run Windows 10 and Microsoft will keep the operating system up to date and ensure those updates don't cause problems okay so yes there is a potential future Microsoft has played around with different different models for Windows 10 and how much you pay for it and you know whether you're logging in with your individual idea whether it's actually attached to the computer they've messed with that there might be paid Windows versions in the future we don't know Windows 10 already has a fair amount of advertising built into it as well as telemetry being sent back to Microsoft so they are making money off of the operating system aside from the money that just the consumers pay for it that's why I am perfectly ok telling people to go and pay $30 for an International Windows license that they get from my kinguin or something like that because it's still a legit license it's just less expensive because Microsoft knows they can't charge your hundred bucks for Windows 10 licensed globally because different countries have different economies and I can't afford to pay for that and stuff so point being don't forget about this let's move up ok ok good all right let's move on from that watch - I feel like now watch was muddy what are you doing next guy something less money like regular tech news regular old tech news nothing to do with the Internet in any such way I promise hate the Internet alright sucks 3rd Ripper 3rd Ripper - actually yesterday had an embargo lifts for unboxings of the of the reviewers kits that were sent out to people also a a bit of an info dump confirming pricing some dates for availability did anyone know stuff like that did anyone else did anyone get like a different ship than the 2950 x yeah who like everyone everyone got the 2990 WX what who I got to tell me now so I can kill them I have to kill you know it depends it depends on the region and stuff like that it seems kind of weird cuz like Jay didn't get one yeah but that seems a little strange to me it does seem like so much to him later yeah and maybe offered it to us but I was I was this close to being in the same boat as Jay because AMD contacted me and said hey cow we're we're not sure if this product aligns with your audience you know you seem to have a gay Murray audience but let us know if you think otherwise and maybe we can make something work and I replied back and said thanks for eating out basically I have a ton of viewers who are heavily involved in like the workstation arena and would love content on thread Ripper would be potential buyers even and then I got hooked up with like the press briefing and everything but that I attended with you I don't know if J got that same email that courtesy email saying like hey we're kind of on the fence about sending you a sample but they did reach out to me so funny if he did and he just ignored it he could have just missed the emails contacts no yeah he's got peeps I mean that's so so so for any confusion here and like I understand people who are like man J should have gotten one or whatever like from the marketer from the marketing perspective at AMD and I think the reason this happened is they are trying to clarify that these crazy high core count CPUs that they're coming out with the cause cost upwards of a thousand dollars are not made for everyone they are high-end workstation parts most people aren't going to be able to make use out of them most games don't require more than four cores so it seems like they're trying to point it seems like they don't want to be accused as like we've seen Intel accused of with certain bits of their marketing material with their high core count products that like they're trying to like advertise this to gamers when like no gamer and is right my needs to spend eats anything anything that's that's that crazy high-end so I don't know I think J will probably end up with one and he'll probably do videos that well he confirmed on Twitter that AMD got in contact with him that day taking care of them why are you even letting me go off on that I didn't want to interrupt you you're you're on a roll just enjoyed making you look sad guys behind the times all right all right back to the thread Ripper stuff 2990 WX if you guys weren't already aware pre-orders started yesterday for the 2990 WX specifically the only thing you can pre-order right now is that crazy 32 core 117 99 or $1,800 is what it's gonna cost for the 29 vx it will actually ship out next week August 13th so six days from today on Monday $900 for the 16 core 29 50x that's what Kyle and I got that is I thought they were saying that's also going it for P order but I haven't seen it actually available anywhere no I think it's just a 32 core that's available okay but that's not available until the end of the month so that one's got like it three more yeah weeks or so on it until it's actually available so all this nonsense started over in Italy they had an event there and Maranello idiot Italy member rvs and supercars and stuff like that they apparently drove around very fast but the the CPUs themselves though not to get too distracted by the fast cars also include a couple lower core count ones it'll be a little bit more reasonably priced a little bit not available until October the $1,300 2970 WX which is 24 core and 48 thread CPU and then finally another 12 core 29:20 X so the successor to the 1920 X and that one's 650 dollars mm-hmm and again both available at the end of October so it's pretty cool I think here is that AMD came out with new like the successor like the 29 50 X and the 29:20 X are the successor to the 1950 X and the 1920 X they are faster same core and thread count and everything but they made them cheaper like they're less expensive out of the gate I can I can appreciate a price drop for an X for a product of the next generation that's one year later but that's also demonstrably better in various ways yeah of course due to the 12 nanometer manufacturing process and the higher frequency better memory compatibility all that good stuff but Tom's Hardware credit to them they actually was so distracted by the video I've just been watching that little video the whole time you were talking look who they're doing cool things with VR and robots stop getting this Jack decal all right blame comes hardly here's a chart though where you can see all the the currently known specs wings different things I like that they put that price per core here compare this to the 79 80 X 100 and an $11 five hundred and eleven dollars per quart yep the twenty nine and ninety WX is fifty six dollars for core per core all these are in the like fifty five dollar range would be like like literally pretty much half of what you pay for core principle now granted Intel's got a little bit better instruction for clock and everything so the core is are directly comparable definitely not twice the amount of performance certainly not that so Tom's however did though is they took some existing information and they made a fun chart here others there's some unboxings and stuff as well there's the actual box this church did the did the box for the record not remind you of the the diamond play button on YouTube all right kinda with the with all the tessellation in it yeah very much I almost felt like I had ten million subscribers when I was in boxing that thing one day Kyle one day one day one day thirty five years from now he's gotta keep making those when I'm 80 just keep making those stack attack videos alright so this is this chart here that I thought I thought was pretty interesting and telling so I wanted to at least show you guys that again articles or that we're talking about - they're all linked in the video's description this is Cinebench r15 and this information was specifically drawn from the footnotes in the press deck that went out that was made public yesterday as well as results from the ln2 overclocking demo specifically done at that event in Italy and there's there's a couple pictures of sellin twos mysterious clouds of stuff anyway but here's the 29.92 WX they overclocked it's a 5.1 gigahertz across all cores granted exotic cooling with Alan - but they scored seven thousand six hundred and eighteen in Cinebench all cores which is a pretty massive epic score ands yes does beats Intel scores that they did at Computex with their 28 core demo that received a lot of scrutiny and a lot of a lot of a lot of yes a because they were using $1,000 water chiller right to cool it and they didn't necessarily disclose that upfront also they were like this is the 28 core 5 gigahertz CPU that were launching this year didn't mention overclocked didn't mention that it was mentioned the word overclocking it was I mean and claimed they forgot to say it yeah excuse well we just forgot to say it was running overclock it's kind of lame but AMD meanwhile with this product which is available to consumers next week by the way 7000 618 stock a granite that's a pretty big jump over the stock score of 5000 89 but the stock score some pretty insane is dominating Intel's currently fastest available or 79 80 XC which is an 18 core and then they listed some other available CPU scores there as well so yeah already rocking a thread Ripper 16 core are suddenly feeling like man feeling in absolutely inadequate yeah yep give me some more cores 24 core that I feel like the 24 core is also a nice option in there for someone who doesn't want to spend close to 2,000 yeah let's see that one's won $12.99 yeah well that's 1,300 so I'm good good price so you can you can climb the ladder wherever your budget falls in the high-end desktop AMD platform which is fun reviews for the 2990 WX and the 2950 X which I believe are the only two CPUs that were sent out and sampled are gonna be out on August 13th Lou so Steve stay tuned for those subscribe and all that stuff yep all right I'm gonna try to go more quickly now because we started late and we're already run into a lot of time but not being slow for any of you guys who were super fascinated by those all the said their third report ooh stuff and want a little bit more information we have some more information here now Kyle and I aren't gonna comment on this we're just gonna show you but this video here is from Leo Leo Leo from kick guru what do you hang out with him at some of the events that we go to and stuff he posted a video yesterday along with the third order for to launch that had some slides in it it's a video still up it appears to be video still there so go over to guru Tech if you wanna watch the video or click it here it's linked in the video cards article and from the description but yeah it had a bunch of slides in it that weren't necessarily part of the press deck that went live yesterday so some additional information here and again this is we're not gonna go into too much detail here just point out to you guys that it is available if you want to look at some of these slides the information includes Rison master profiles for threader / - has some comparisons of uma vs Numa which has already discussed with the first generation threader / stuff as far as the memory access modes going from Creon your mode to gaming mode for example but there's more details on that for third over to pricing of the rate strippers down here at the bottom as well the wreath Ripper is it the cooler it is upper way through 250 watt TDP cooler that cooler master designed in collaboration with AMD and it says it's gonna be $100 of course all this information could be completely fake Lea probably made all these slides to try to fool people oh that Kyle's got a read-through for anything I'm sure you guys were wanting like you know comparison visual aid a visual aid and in comparison to like hand size like look at how fat this thing is it's a pretty big cooler so I will say massive some of course there's older coolers like the v8 they made and stuff like that that's supposed to a car engine I never really liked them very much for some reason I just I thought they were large and kind of just just hold you in and and cumbersome it felt like it'll take this this is class it's very large but this feels a lot whatever yeah it just feels a lot more well put together the fin stack is nice it's got really high quality nickel plating on everything it's two fin stacks with a fan in between yeah there's a fan in between here fans have betted in the middle there RGV of course I haven't even seen it what the RGB loaded up and I haven't figured out exactly how to mount it have you no mess with these no I haven't like do these these these go down here and like obviously this is not a something that's simple to remove oh yeah have you been careful with the trophies no not at all I'm planning to just remove it when I if I do mount it yeah so I think these you must be able to remove caps on or maybe you can just screw that cuz these have maybe these go all the way down these might go all the way down to these and just you just tighten it right there that'd be that'd be very simple that would be nice oh cool yeah I can definitely see this being in like a workstation build it looks professional and classy enough to be in one where as until you turn the RGB party on yeah just just don't plug that cable in moving on though Intel a little bit information about ten nanometer we've talked a bit about that 10 nanometer has been delayed multiple times the process was supposed to deliver area reductions of over 50 percents when compared to Intel's 40 nanometers process initially it was slated for a 2015 release it's now been officially pushed back and until has stated this publicly to q4 2019 so still over a year off until 10 nanometer is actually going to be available at least available in quantities that they have products there have been there's like one or two like laptops that have come out with 10 nanometer stuff in him but like they were really phantom launches they were they were paper launches or such limited quantities that no one was actually able to reasonably go and find one or buy one anyway that semi accurate has now released a report claiming Intel is now downgrading their 10 nanometer process to make the process production rate ready so not just the timing delays but actually downgrading the process sacrificing some of their die space and area savings so that they can improve their manufacturing yields enough to make 10 nanometer financially viable so does that mean that they've they've increased the die size from what they originally went with it's it's difficult to tell exactly and this is obviously not a hundred percent confirmed or anything this is Charlie from semi accurate and his reporting so you know gotta gotta gotta take his word for it some degree but definitely doesn't seem like good news if there is any grain of truth to it he said he went so far as to say that Intel's new 10 nanometer will be effectively a 12 nanometer process which puts it on par with what Andy is currently shipping with the resin 2000 series stuff and further for 2000 series stuff 10 nanometer delays have been blamed on factors ranging from company mismanagement to overly high ambitions for the node and technical issues that stem from cutting-edge silicon production which is pretty vague but I'm not trying to put too fine a point on it here due to these delays of 10 nanometer other fabs that make microchips have caught up a lot of mint on Intel tsmc Samsung and Global Foundries you Intel used to have several years of sort of a head start on them when it comes to transistor density and performance and that really has kind of evaporated in the past few years it seems like so good for anyone who's looking for more competition bad for anyone who who I mean there's still had people who like Intel and use their products and you know they're not bad products but like I don't know I was anticipating I've said this before I was anticipating that when AMD started you know producing actual competitive products again that Intel was gonna be like oh here's this thing that we've been sitting on for the past year we're just gonna drop that which can you know wipe the floor with your new product brain that definitely doesn't seem to be the case even to the extent that they're having to push their stuff back really far so I think Intel just underestimated AMD so hard that our that they were just yeah that they were just focusing on all the other you know thousand things that Intel has their pockets in and hands him I was like to talk about when we talk about overall company performance and stuff I do like to take a look at stock prices Intel stock price took a big dip at the end of last month relatively speaking dropped five points from 52 to about 47 if you look at the year I mean you know pause not bad they wrote those are still positive and everything but um definitely a lot more piddling around I feel like over the best however many months versus where they could be AMD meanwhile this is their one day I was at five days oh look at that five whoo things are looking good how about the one month oh damn whoo that jump was that July it was just July July I mean they were they were in the around the ten around ten for quite a while yeah and then they've jumped up recently sued about twenty twenty issues so there we go stocks stocks that should be a should be a segment who's just called stocks I'd be fun to say I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't know much be stocks with an ass like I don't I don't I don't invest in stocks a I I do it to maintain credibility because if I was invested for instance if I own stock in AMD or Intel then it would be in my best interest to tell you guys that the company I own stock in was good so that it would maybe sell more stuff hey Tobias and that would be a conflict of interest of interest yep cuz stay honest that's why I just I bought stock and all all all the big companies that way I'm equally non-biased as well alright let's talk about this is these this is actually really good news for people who like SSDs and are getting a little tired of like continuing with the 240 gig or 500 gig varieties that have been out for quite a while yeah it's old neutrally prices have come down for those but still would be nice to be able to more easily drop a one or two terabyte SSD into a system Samsung's hopefully gonna be helping out with that by initiating mass production of qlc v-nand for their consumer and for terabyte SSDs we checked if your wife is messaged you about that oh good good good good yeah see I'm on top of that nope cool alright so Samsung made this announcements that they're now did yes they've started production specifically for bits qlc this is quad level cell and so if you're familiar with NAND flash memory that's SLC it's in the level so you can't really get that from what I understand it's used in some like very specific use cases for like military applications and stuff but SLC is like insanely reliable and durable but it's a single bit per cell in the NAND flash which if you move to two bits per cell which is what a lot of stuff is suddenly you have twice the amount of bits that can be stored three bits per set three bits per cell has been and wide use for the past two three years I feel like maybe even a little bit longer now we have four bits per cell so each cell can store four bits of data more more data density effectively is what we're looking at here I have not looked at any of these white papers or anything to figure out more accurately how are they doing that and I only have a vague understanding of that anyway so point being what Samsung is producing specifically is 64 layer one terabit v-nand chips so each little chip is one terabit holy so eight of those little chips would be one terabyte eight bits to a byte makes sense with the higher cool on the higher density and they're stating that this still retains the performance level supported by current three bit SSDs because usually when you go from two bits per cell the three bits per cell the four bits per cell you get more storage capacity but you sometimes have a drop-off in performance as well as sometimes a drop-off in durability the length that the right the right endurance that many how many times a cell be able to be written and rewritten over again before it stops working these are gonna be mainstream parts 2.5 inch SATA SSDs as you can see in this picture I think this is just a generic Samsung SSD picture but looks good enough right so they're gonna have standard SSD speeds that you guys might already be familiar with kind of old news when it comes to like five hundred and forty megabytes per second reads 520 megabytes per second writes but the capacity is really the story here available one terabyte two terabyte and four terabyte capacities so that's cool and Santa based SSDs are still fast enough for like the vast majority of use yes people don't need the extra extra speed from you know some crazy like something like a Samsung 970 Evo or something like that they are working on MDOT two versions of these using the qlc NAND flash and qlc nvme Enterprise SSDs will begin mass-production later this year and they can also use qlc beam and to efficiently produce a four to 128 gigabyte microSD cards for smartphones so Samsung upcoming phones might have like crazy lots amount of storage which would be fun because they can always use that to like poke fun at Apple and Apple never Apple always likes to charge you like 200 bucks for an extra 16 gigs of memory and stuff right sounds accurate though unfortunately we don't have any shipping window or pricing which is why I brought this last story up this is a review from PC perspective of the intel SSD 660 p a new SSD from intel they're reviewing the one terabyte version of this and this is an Allen Melvin tano review which means it's insanely in-depth and thorough here is his actual visual representation of four bits per cell so SLC right yep and I'll see there's more storage density there you go here's the actual SSD itself it's just a simple little green pea green PCB deal but the specs on it are reasonably good the price to storage capacity is a good story here 512 gig nvme m2 SSD hundred hundred dollars Wow one hundred two hundred dollars for the one terabyte and $400 for the two terabyte so skills in a pretty linear fashion pcie 3.0 by four 800 megabytes per second sequential read and write speeds both so kind of symmetrical in that respect 250,000 max uh ops random 4k reads and writes so specs that are not among the highest or the fastest when it comes to nvme SSDs but certainly well above I that's well but over three times the speed that you get with SATA yeah reads in it's like what were you just talking about so it's priced accordingly so yeah so nice again check out the article if you want to look at some of the more detailed results Alan does such a really good job here and I feel like it's there's such a density information of information I can never go through everything sure like the the blue line here is the 660 P the higher up lines here are like the WD black ones here right which is pretty fast in the 970 but one terabyte and the blue line I mean I'm just generically speaking as I scroll through here you know it's not up there with the highest end but it's right there in the mid range for the speeds of these nvme SSDs the WD black faster than the 970 Evo it depends on what you're doing with it yeah and he has a lot of different tests a lot of different look that's not my wife solicitor yes so final results pros highly competitive Cossack you bite outstanding random performance for a mainstream budget SST generis generis generous generous dynamic SOC county relationships it's our Gary another queen of direct mother of Trek it's got a really nice SLC so SLC cash so like it can cache data to that right for that but if you have have you sustained workloads the con is that it can saturate that cache and results in low qlc rates beans but again for what this is a name for most people are probably not going to be able to do that Ellen's able to do that because he runs tests that that specifically synthesized that type of action happening 20 cents per gig that's what you're looking at there that's nice okay cool we have one final segment and I think I'm gonna do one of these two questions that's let's not do both let's skip let's skip the the thread Ripper to unboxing video thing and let's just do an intel versus AMD alright okay third fate wait sir thank you until vs. Indy who is winning do you know can I post it in chat yes yes you can there you go all right guys go yeah answer be free this is the one that we're not doing okay don't don't answer that one Intel versus Amy who's winning so we've been talking a lot about Intel versus and beer and now what do you think Intel you got AMD this is you know we have to take a look at this every so often so it's q3 right now of twenty quarter three of 2018 and you know I think there's arguments that could be made either way look how you gotta you gotta make a choice and we have to make this decision right now and we have to tell people all right all right I'm gonna I'm gonna be I'm gonna I'm gonna take the the low road and go with the obvious answer because it's right which is AMD obviously Paul AMD team red has been crushing it lately okay they they have come out with so many good family launches of CPUs GPU side we're gonna say family friendly like yeah sorry good family friendly CPUs none of them curse okay so we've got mainstream rise in second gen and then rise in better per second gen which was just sort of announced or officially given more details just this week and the price to performance that you're that we're seeing with these chips are vastly outweigh the competition Intel cannot hold a flame I can't hold a candle to what AMD is packing right now I think just the the pricing & features is really where it's at with AMD I see a lot of people you know when I take polls on Twitter regularly you know do you want to see an Intel builder or Rison build and everyone wants to see AMD right now I think just because it's kind of it's more user it's more targeted for the user and I feel like Intel is often just kind of a cash grab doing the same thing that they've been doing small iterations generation over generation and now you can clearly see Intel struggling to keep up with with AMD I think AMD has a lot of momentum right now that the fans are just loving so IIIi would say I would say AMD that's probably like my sword fight answer and my personal answer as well making this personal now it's personal I see how it is I'm gonna personally win I've also realized that we could sword fight completely skipped over one of the stories we were supposed to talk about from WCC f technology which directly relates to this you see I had it all tied in with my with my planning and then I just dropped the ball missed you meant to drop the mic but instead this is a report from Germany's biggest retailer mind Factory mine factory dot de and I'm still gonna go back to answering the sword fight and you know obviously I have after apply to Kyle here but this this proves my point here so these are the number of CPUs sold in July and we can actually see that AMD has retaken the lead here so what this chart might be difficult to look at at first yes vixens video but let me explain each month down here at the bottom right there's two vertical bars the bar on the left is AMD in the bar on the right is Intel okay that explains it right and what's over here is the stack of CPUs that they're actually looking at when it comes to sales guy from Intel or from AMD so they're using this to look at the total number of CPUs sold yeah I never compare one to the other now interestingly enough back when Intel launched their ninth generation stuff which I thought was not the best lunch to be perfectly honest their ninth gen the ninth gen stuff to Z 370 okay that came out late last year that we all thought was fairly rushed it really boosts like they if you look at December January February March April May June Intel has been selling and again this is just a single retailer in Germany but based on this Intel has been outselling AMD by pretty significant it's only just this last month in July that AMD has overtaken Intel and it's still very close with overall 50% to 50% but if you look at last year you can see that AMD was in the lead their first generation stuff was doing pretty well so compare that then however and this is where my argument comes back in to the amount of money being made when Intel CPUs are sold because even though AMD has sold more CPUs in Intel their revenue the actual money they are making is significantly less because AMD has been putting their CPU on sale CPUs on sale lowering the value basically undercutting themselves you know sure they give a better value to the customer who's out there but what's it really come down to when you're arguing you know the AMD versus Intel arguments and I think it comes down to scoreboard scoreboard Cal what here's the scoreboard for AMD's revenue in 2017 five point three three billion okay let's check the scoreboard for Intel Kyle okay seven D sorry sixty-two point seven six billion that's what I call scoreboard money talks Intel wins but but that's for 2017 your straw poll clearly says q3 of 2018 that's just our individualists that's how we feel about it right now oh that's what really matters you're so feeling we know about it okay exactly please very scientific this arguments become when we involve emotions okay I will I mean and if you want to get specific I would guarantee that the actual revenue numbers for Intel are still way way above No No maybe is certainly quadrupled actually actually comes around making 35,000 is the amount that they were in 27 let's see what you guys think though Andy whoa look at that what put a lance excellent choice Kyle obviously AMD and hey if we're if we're going by how people feel right now which obviously this is just a random straw poll people who are watching a live show about technology and very much about how people feel AMD doing a bunch of sales which is her their revenue but increase the number of CPUs they have sold and also allowed people to buy sea views for less money and maybe get more for their money people tend to appreciate that yeah which i think is reflected here and I think even if maybe from a business standpoint they're you know taking a loss on all the deals that they're making like it's it's very much like when you're a brand like AMD or until it's very much an image thing like how the audience how the consumer base perceives you and I think even if you're taking a loss you're kind of investing in your brand image like you know what do people think of when they think of AMD in this moment and I think that that's currently ahead of a head of Intel and to their credit their stock price has been reflecting that certain bounce back so I think yeah it's the trends that have started kind of last year with the initial rise in launch continued this year and Intel really is that far off with their next gen stuff and I mean what to see what what whatever whatever this next generation of products that they're launching because they're supposed to be launching some new products soon and a new line of CPUs and stuff and z 390 and you know ten core and all that but it's all still supposed to be 14 nanometers so we might see you know III I don't know what sort of performance increase they're gonna get I guess so who Intel or AMD Intel yeah with this next gen so what to see Lindsey and it's bringing all of you the information as it happens okay we sure will oh let's finish off my half of the show with the final segment which is of course QA anyway sent in a donation comment thank you so much and we're gonna try to answer these quickly because there's quite a few position X $5 did you get did you to get my tweets about the charity challenge I don't know challenge I did not I I do not well I don't see any tweets about a charity at all what were they all right like I said I didn't see anything wait he he followed up the thing expertly has a short attention span another kisses follow-up tweet rather than explaining to us what the charity challenge is which would have ensured that his $5 wasn't wasted if we didn't know what it was followed up with recommendation for a bare-bones low-cost case that can hold a minimum of 48 preferably 96 hard drives who cares about the charity anyway building a large NASA what's what it take good 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Congrats on the bill robert f six dollars and sixty six cents you evil naughty boy not yet forty but getting my annual check for cancer thankfully nothing found over the years can only potentially kill it early if you find it early robert f nice what a sobering comment i am also not yet forty and I should get an annual check for cancer I probably need them to stick a finger into my butthole and check my prostate at first I thought he meant he was getting a check like a money check for cancer they pay you I mean if you have a answer that's I don't think that's how it works but it would be at least some small consolation you mean they're physically checking him yeah physically yeah the older you get as a dude the more risk the more the more uncomfortable and yet important the doctor checkups we have their hands up your bum if you're giving your prostate chip check that's what is involved yes yeah I mean I've never had anything sticking my butt before why not I mean I'd poop like every day then take care of that uptight that feels fine all right and ruch wire five Canady Canadians shout-out to low global ah no ll o VAR no assignment do a super small threader per system and a massive Center for system a second generator for Paul did the mini system Kyle needs a elite build successor I haven't seen any thread Ripper board small smaller than mini a micro micro AIDS yeah yeah and I don't think they should be mini ITX or it really doesn't make sense as where I could do it micros fun as where I could do a quad channel threader for board they might try I mean why not interesting but I'm game anyway thank you Andrew the berserk Euler 555 should I replace the two CPU fans with black and gray fans or replace the three fans to CPU rear with black and gray black and red build I think you should do blue and green he says it's a black and red build I like you black and red I think black and gray go with the black and gray yeah because black and gray is a nice complement to black and red given the limited information that we have that's my recommendation yeah black and gray berserk Euler that's what you want Jason one two three four or twelve dollars and thirty four cents hey do you guys know if I can get cables for an older power supply of an old Corsair each X 1,000 watt I want to use it in a dilapidated Nast setup so I need more non broken SATA connectors Wow so Jason I think you have two options here one would be to contact Corsair directly to see if there's anything that they can do if they have any old cable kits that are available for it second would be a little bit more advanced so you need to be somewhat confident using a a voltmeter if you have a voltmeter you can you'll need a voltmeter you'll need the actual ATX pins the only 18 gauge cables and only connectors and you can basically build your own cables which is a very time-consuming but also and some levels a very satisfying thing to do but you can actually use the voltmeter to check which outputs because you've got you've only got like a ground a 12 volts and a 5 volts pretty much for most of the connectors on your modular cables maybe a 3.3 volt 4 SATA connectors so yeah you can put your own cables together yeah that would be my recommendation I hope that helps agrees everything possible Frederick cow foot 50 DK Ches I don't I figure that's a DK Kaiser Dix probably worth lots of US dollars though hey it's my name hi building a new PC and Lian Li PC 0 11 D will it choke my W stealth Wraith stealth yeah I use 3 exhaust fans top 3 exhaust side and 3 intake in the bottom then no you have a crazy amount of airflow you will not be choked at all you have lots of airflow you're good good job Frederick Calvert thank you for your doughnut you Jason Christoph $9.99 Paul regardless of your sword financier aren't you sick of testing only for Intel elastics ply applies years Jason I'll be honest I'm kind of torn when Intel was kind of dominating and there wasn't much point in and benchmarking AMD it did make things slightly simpler like there weren't as many work was easy test and compare against each other that said I'd much prefer there to be competition amongst that and everything so I I'm very happy with the stuff ambi is then in the past year too bittersweet but motions mean yeah I think it's good for people who are using those products and it's also good to provide more kick in the pants towards Intel to being competitive hopefully blue five seven nine nine nine ten dollars says my computer won't boot upgraded motherboard CPU I used to have a used to have Windows seven tried to install Windows 10 with USB media open CMD and cleaned disc 0 and formatted to GPT now computer won't boot with any with any of the or SSD what I don't know does that mean I don't I don't I don't know what computer won't boot with me so blue like I would recommend double-checking like if you can access the UEFI are the BIOS maybe try updating that sometimes older versions of that might cause issues as you go in through installation you shouldn't if you're doing a Windows installation and you're going into the command the command prompt and doing like like opening up disk part and doing it clean on the disk you should just be able to do the Windows 10 installation on that disk and it shouldn't be doing any like asking you to format a GPT or anything like that so that's what's kind of confusing me right there but yeah sorry I'm still vetting entries for pit myself okay so yeah I don't know if any of those suggestions are helpful for you it's hard to say without too much more information but troubleshooting can often be a bit of a bear if we're not helping you here then I would recommend finding some forums that you can go post your comment on let's pry not very helpful blue I hope you're able to like I can't figure out how he's formatting at GPT though it's just a terrible advice giver polling lousy advice feel bad Jason Chris top $9.99 hey Paul my roommate is up 400 because of AMD stuck if their GPUs actually given video run you can actually figure out the middle ground between Intel Nvidia and that's AMD stock price that's reasonable I haven't seen anything from AMD side that indicates there they have an imminent GPU launch that might be providing and video injured with any competition right but hey if they do I'll be excited weird Congrats on your stock or at least your roommates stock earnings who think next $50 charity challenge you Greg Kyle Paul Jay I will donate $2 per push-ups that each of you do within 10 minutes time frame to st. Jude Children's Hospital in the name of the winner fifty dollars to the winner posted end of August it will be a really funny giveaway or a funny donation charity charity funding thing I just I'm not I'm very weak and weak and like are we trying to raise as little money as possible yeah for County Hospital because if so that would be the perfect way to do it have a bunch of tech nerds do push-ups and only race it's like that's like raising money for like seeing how many NFL players can like play PC games or or build a computer you know in under 20 minutes I would I would rather play video games for charity cuz that's what we've done in the past it's been reasonably successful because we can actually do that we're actually capable of playing games at a reasonable shape I was I was doing some push-ups here and there for a while but I have it for the best bunt or two our minds are in good shape all our marks alright one more done thank you for saying X that's a crazy good donation why would you do push-ups you've already donated exactly the same amount of money that you see if we watch you suffer me I know right all right one more donation to them we're gonna save the rest of the donations for Kyle's half the show Darrell may $5 tell everyone about your giveaways you will gain subs Thank You Darryl I'm always torn about that on the one hand I like to promote the giveaways on the other hand I kind of like when there's only like a more limited number of people entering yeah cuz I feel like those the people who are like really paying attention and then they have a better chance of actually winning so you're sort of a you know it goes both ways but guys that's all for my half of the show awesome hardware episode 150 thank you so much for watching and definitely hit the thumbs up button on your way out if you have the chance and check the link in the description to head over to Kyle's half and watch that on bit wit if you're watching live on Twitch stay right where you are we will not be going anywhere alright that's all thank you guys bye-bye bye-bye