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they send a PDF out to advertise their prices and stuff you can buy on their store and they have included ninth generation Intel pricing on this list you sure this isn't new egg some new eggs eggs gram this gram here so you can you can jump in here and see that did I show you this that's the reddit page so it's all linked in the description by the way if you guys want to check out the stories themselves well here's their prices yes it's a bit of a just big old whirlwind of Yaddo chart but if you scroll down here and look over to the right until ninth gen CPU coming soon is what they have listed here so we got the 9900 k the 9700 K in the 9600 K and the 9350 case there's a four core for thread and all the prices are listed here and the kind of person over on reddit did some calculation because this is a Singapore and Singaporean retailer who is listing Singaporean dollars I don't know what their actual currency is called there but they use a dollar sign from from what I can tell but they did the currency conversion as well as removing the tax that would be automatically included in the price and converted that to get us some may be potential prices now of course grain of salt these are there's only rumored products not sure if this is true or not but 452 dollars is the price they come up with for the 9900 K just the flagship 8 core 16 thread processor which is rumored to ship with a 5 gigahertz clock speed the 8 core 8 thread 9700 k $352 which sounds reasonable for an intel 8 core yeah 3,350 bucks i mean if if that's gonna get you most of the gaming or pretty much all the gaming performance of the 9900 k then 350 bucks for the processor that you would want for the best gaming performance which i mean based on historical performance of intel processors is what I'm assuming might be the case here yeah so yeah and then for the 9600 K 6 cores and 6 threads $251 which again it's not horrible yeah since they've upped their core and thread counts yeah that's gen I mean he's an you stuff this sort of get your head around me like it's an i7 but it doesn't have hyper threading right with the 9700 K everything but yeah again assuming these prices are so much I mean a big based on the fact that these prices are somewhat reasonable compared to what we currently have and they would seem somewhat competitive of course we don't know anything about performance or anything yet I guess that seems okay I mean it could always be cheaper it could always be cheaper right 352 for the for the i7 9700 k that's about 30 bucks more than what the 2700 X is going for right now they have the same core count now granted you get 16 cores and yet SMT with the AMD and threads 16 thread sorry which which you're not getting hyper threading here as you mentioned with the 9700 K but these until chips tend to have slightly higher IPC than their AMD counterparts so yeah there's kind of a trade-off there and I think the price you know if the performance is there pretty fair and they're still selling their current gen 8000 series CPUs I mean they can't keep them in stock they might potentially have some some manufacturing delays going on with those but don't want to get too much off topic but if you're excited about the new Intel processors maybe you are maybe even wait waiting to upgrade for quite a while that should maybe give you again grain of salt but that maybe gives you a little bit better idea of what the prices will be when they actually come out next up though NVIDIA has fixed performance for the thread Ripper 2990 WX I repeat that Nvidia through their driver has made some pretty impressive performance updates oh geez what's going on in chat I don't know that kinds about to be banned from he's gone but any most quick self good Jim Nvidia through their performance through through a driver update has basically given some big performance jumps with gaming on there twenty nine ninety WX which is a 32 core sixty-four thread processor that launched back in August and fizzled out it feels like an excitement about it fizzled out pretty quickly and I think part of the reason for that was that a lot of the gaming performance that was shown for it was actually pretty bad like a lot worse than with a 1950 X or a 2950 X for example and certainly a lot less than you would get with a lot of the mainstream Intel processors right now so it made it a much harder sell for like oh this is a you can buy this as a multi-purpose processor and if you actually have some software that will use that many cores and threads then you can still also use it for gaming but if the gaming sucks on it then selling that as a multi-purpose system is yourself but this update has apparently fixed a bug and there's of course discussion in the comments about whether or not like this was somehow the timing of this with Nvidia and the performance on AMD and everything but all that aside this new driver update is 3:9 9.2 4 it was just released today and apart from some updated support for new games like shadow Tomb Raider call of duty blobs 4 and black call of duty black ops for black out beta and a set of course a competition me all of those have a pretty good pronunciation okay I can tell also this bugs bug fix addressing the differences between the two processors so here on the PC perspective charts and again article linked in the description if you want to check it out we can see the 2990 WX originally tested in gaming mode and then the 2950 X which is the 16 core the updated 16 core variants so here you can see updated driver and then they also tested the 2990 WX in one quarter mode which basically gave you it's basically accusing a single eight core there's one cc X right yeah uses one not one cc X or not one of the risin course so you get eight cores instead of 32 right but you get much more similar performance so here we can see from the just 2990 WX with 40 5.2 fps and Grand Theft Auto 5 now jumped up to 70 3.2 which granted is still a pretty decent way short of the 88.2 frames per seconds that you might get with the 29 50 X or like you know an 8700 K which is giving you 118 frames per second this is testing with the 1080 TI by the way it's it's an improvement so and they go down multiple games like that so um used to be 50% less performance with GTA 5 now it's more like 20% less performance so better but not ideal Assassin's Creed origins went from about 43% behind to about 13% behind till the war where I'm r2 was one of the worst performers just handled the threat core and thread-count of the 2990 FX absolutely horrendous horrendously you can see the these low numbers here it improved it like ever so slightly from 13 to 18 point 4 but still just abysmal so obviously this hasn't fixed every single game f1 2017 also jumps to 78% so big old jump there to within 7% so from 79 FPS to 141 Middle Earth shadow of war jumped from 87 to 113 so now it's pretty much on poor on par with what you would get with a 1950 X for example Far Cry 5 wouldn't even run with this 32 a core processor before but how it does it still sucks but at least runs it went from will not run into 49 frames per second which is still like half the performance to get otherwise but I'm just understand when you're starting from zero anything is an improvement there's got to be a meme for this like 2990 WX will it one will it run cry 5 it's so disappointing when ethos like this processor should be the most epic consumer processor you can possibly buy yeah 32 cores and everything and then it's like and it plays games it's way way worse than a 200-dollar processor but yeah this is a step in the right direction hopefully we're gonna see more stuff like software updates to handle even for the price even with these fixes for the price that you're paying for that chip like if you're gonna do any amount of gaming or just a decent amount of gaming and workstation stuff I would just go for the 29 50 X to be fair AMD repeated many many times this is not intended to be a gaming product of course you buy for gaming yeah but it does hurt the people who are like I really could make use of all those cores but I want a gaming system - exactly I guess then you have to build two computers or something if you really want that but right maybe we'll see further updates and it's also good it's also gonna sting a little bit that their competitor fixed their issue yeah that's gotta sting a little bit from just uh it was like in video sabotage you know yeah I won't speculate either way it's not great let us let us proceed Seagate has a 14 terabyte hard drive and this is not like a enterprise hard drive that only enterprise people can use the cost way more money than you do I spend this is actually a hard drive that maybe you guys at home might what if you can stomach the launch price of 580 dollars a problem which is a lot for storage but again 14 terabytes is what you get with the Barracuda Pro here that's actually pretty good yeah price per gig is 4.1 4 cents per gigabyte yeah compare that to SSD prices these days which are very good have come down a lot but are still at about 20 20 cents per gigabyte so that's still maintaining some relevance for these big high terabyte counts I was actually expecting this drive when I was hearing all the news about initially to be a lot more expensive yeah well it's pretty damaged so yeah and endow Seagate there's some some cool specs going on with it too it's got a multi segmented DRAM cache of 256 megabytes that sure as I'm sure the article explains more about why that's good it's got eight platters 1077 gigabits per square inch of areal density on the on those eight platters it's a helium-filled enclosure and the main difference compared to the 12 tired by a terabyte version of this drive which launched in the fourth quarter of 2017 last year is the use of two-dimensional magnetic recording heads and again if you're really interested go to the last page of the article and there's an actual diagram of it if you guys want a little bit more information on that if you're really into mechanical heart spinning hard drive technology I'm I'm vaguely fascinated but I couldn't tell you off the top of my head the difference there typically only draws about 6.9 Watson oh so very power efficient and this is one of my favorite features it's meant for 24/7 usage that's awesome so 300 terabytes per year workload reading and a five year warranty 24/7 you should usage though rating from the manufacturer means it could drop into mass units yeah which it the circular solution which might be run in your drives lot and so yeah yeah and then the cool thing about you know the 3.5 inch drives it's more terabytes in them as you can have a smaller enclosure with fewer drives that uses less power overall but still have lots of storage so now you're for drive 14 terabyte array is gonna have wait what is that 40 plus 16 it's gonna have 56 terabytes mmm-hmm 56 terabytes of storage on four drives which it's pretty epic and of course you know you could have more than four drives too so you can do the math for those they're targeting creative professionals with high performance desktops home service and/or direct-attached storage units so there you go if you were interested I'm gonna swap out all my all my 8 terabyte Toshiba drives for ya in the in the disk shelf but 20 bay disk shelf CK therefore these CK if you're watching I will do that too the article also includes some performance testing I'm not gonna go into that because it's pretty much the same as all the other 3 point 5 terabytes 3.5 inch mechanical 7200 RPM hard drives out there alright Samsung and SK Hynix who are the first and third biggest semiconductor companies manufacturing companies in the world with fabs according to digit times and this article is actually from PC games and are slimming down their expansion plans for DRAM and NAND chip production in the coming months which is kind of lame which which kind of sucks this is not necessarily the biggest news again original articles on digitized but depending on what browser you look at it with digit times might tell you that you should log in or not so that's why we're looking at this article over here but the G Times is very reputable so this is this is well sourced they're citing a global oversupply which has got a stay slump in demand and low prices Laureus ly low prices if you're looking and shopping for SSDs right now gosh you can get 240 gig solid SSDs for 40 to 50 bucks you can get 480 gig 512 kick drives for like 80 to 100 bucks like nice ones we can get a really fast nvme MDOT 2 500 gig drive for like a samsung 960 Evo for 150 bucks so they like reasonable drives they're not just like oh that like bottom of them crazy high-end perform like money you'd spend on a drive that's is gonna get you much performance like it's actually a reasonable choice to slot into a computer so that's really cool for all of us and consumers of course these people who actually manufacture the NAND flash chips and everything like wait we're not making nearly as much money as we were like a year ago when all the prices were overinflated which caused Chinese the Chinese government to initiate a price-fixing lawsuit with my micron Samsung and SK Hynix that's still ongoing by the way for price fixing between 2016 and 2017 but now they're both talking publicly about just like cutting back the plans that they were that they had because they they were public with some of these plans for what they were gonna do in order to combat the especially on the DRAM side because the ramp side the prices still haven't come down they're still pretty bad but even with that they're like no we're gonna like we're gonna cut back on this stuff on the manufacturing plans we had we're gonna manufacture less so that demands many supply demand price goes up they make more money so that's kind of that kind of sucks I mean this is this is not good news this is maybe something you should keep in mind if you have been watching like SSD prices go up and down I certainly like I bought an a 1 terabyte SSD like two years ago I feel like it was about two years ago for the prices that they are right now and like six months later I was like wow I'm glad I bought that SSD when I did because you know there was a sale was it was a one terabyte sandwich it was a one terabyte SanDisk for like a hundred and seven hundred and sixty or hundred and seventy bucks good so still even by today's standards but still still pretty good price and they had dropped that low two years ago so if in your head the progress of technology everything should get cheaper over time but you know there's also these economies of scale and right supplying of the actual chips but cutting back on their production will cause prices to go up they're blaming this on lackadaisical notebook and smartphone sales so if you guys had bought Moore's notebooks and smart phones they wouldn't have to go and cut back their production and like not bringing their fabs online Samsung had promised there to bring the new fabs that they're working on online sometime in the first half of 2019 no they had promised it late 2018 but now they're not going to bring them online until the first half of 2019 also the article says that they're putting a stop to plans to enhance the RAM fabs in Hawaii song and young young tech young tech it's at the name of a city yes this is this is o Korea when you said I was thinking te CH I was like there's a city county um Chang know young tech sounds reasonable Kim tech yep uh yeah so if there's Samsung Femmes were also originally intended to produce 30 thousand extra DRAM wafers in the third quarter of 2018 but now they're just like we're not going to do that because you didn't buy enough bones or no flakes I don't know it's your fault it seems like strange activity to be doing while you're have an ongoing a lawsuit with the Chinese government for price fixing but I guess you guys do you if there is any good news sensible in this story it is that micron that numbers the second of those top three NAND and flash manufacturers doesn't seem to be there at least hasn't publicly stated that they're taking this route and China has been well China's been working to do more homegrown technology manufacturing themselves for quite some time which includes DRAM fabs so we might expect some Chinese based fabs to come online and ramp up production soon and that might provide more competition so love to see how that goes and microns not part of the velocity right yes they are oh they are yeah all three are part of the lottery my current micron Samsung and SK Hynix re micron seems they're the only one that's somewhat scared of the Chinese government matter they just haven't come out publicly and been like yeah we're gonna gonna ramp back and play production ACK yeah what you guys want more DRAM suck it all right let's move on to Stegman number 2 which is a very straightforward title this is yes no it sounds complicated and there is a strawpoll it's not linked in the video description I don't think but I will post it in chat right now and I'll hopefully Jawa I'll hopefully update the video description at some point to there are four different things for you to vote yes or no on on the straw poll so I'm sending it out early but that is purely for efficiency reasons you should wait you should wait until we go over these things but multiple votes on that strap hole so go ahead and do your thing but we're gonna we're gonna talk yes or no on the headphone jack the www being killed off by chrome blue boxes and the Facebook AI so starting off with the headphone jack and this is an article from PC world by Gordon Mong and I liked it so everyone go read it but Apple of course started by killing the headphone jack and we've seen that repeated by many different cell phone manufacturers Kyle exhibit a your pixel two has no headphones two is neutered the neutered of a headphone jack now you can get around this lack of headphone jack by plugging in a USB C to 3.5 millimeter adapter so you can plug in you know if you've got some analog headphones if you don't want to use the Bluetooth you can plug in the adapter now Gordon tested a bunch of these adapters and he discovered a horrifying truth which is that the DAC the digital analog converter doesn't exist in the same place in all different phones so some phones ship a dongle that has a DAC built into it and that is the case with the pixel 2 XL it's got basically just a USB device with the digital analog converter in it and then it spits out an analog signal audio signal on the other side a lot of these other phones though the DAC is actually built into the phone and the converter this type seats analog converter you get is basically a glorified adapter so it's using what would be those digital connections in there and sending an analogue connection over it and using the converter to basically pass that analog signal through the DAC lives in the phone not in the Dumble what this means is that if you try to take one of those adapters one of those dongles and plug it into a phone that doesn't have the capability to pass the analog signal through the USBC port then it doesn't work so that's obviously a situation that not a lot of people are going to run into because this would have to be like oh my wife and I both got two different phones and I want to use her dongle and I found that my wife's dongle just doesn't work for me you know it's just just a sad situation when it comes to that but more to the point it's sort of a messy situation when it comes to just the simple usability of plugging in headphones so and it brings back the age-old argument dongle or no dongle or more I guess more improve on Jack should it really be gone or is it one of those things it's uh you know having it removed it's gonna be a fad and eventually in the future people realize you know it it's just something that should be there and people should use it now Bluetooth of course is the other argument and Kyle has told me before that Bluetooth you know is the future if you switch to Bluetooth devices that once you go bt you never go B stands for back but Bluetooth could be can also be accused of limiting your audio quality my following ways around this get over it but if you're used to listening to very high quality audio from the very high quality sources with high quality decks and headphones and Kalla went what have funds to usually use your day today's here yeah biodynamic dat pros a pretty nice aren't they not they're their entry-level audiophile grade if they're still still pretty nice 250 bucks you're not in anything fancy but they're they're they're slightly above the mainstream so if you're using bluetooth though than the blue the sound quality of the Bluetooth is also going to be heavily dependent on the decks that are in the Bluetooth headphones that you're using and those are not always gonna be the same so in a lot of ways it gets you get what you pay for but that's sort of the premise we're not going to say yes or no right now we're gonna go down these rapid fire with no and we'll give we'll give our opinions on these let's move on to the next one though which is Google with the most recent version of chrome and chromium which is version 69 AO has fancy things like a revamped UI it's got a new password manager and they've removed what they're calling trivial subdomains trivial trivial subdomains from the URL bar this articles from phosphites calm and so that trivial subdomains according to the chrome developers is the www at the beginning of a website URL or perhaps the M that might indicate a mobile specific URL and this article goes over that and why it may or may not be a good thing there's a chromium blog thread that's linked here with many people strongly criticizing Google over this move for a lot of people it's like for some people seems more of a principled stance they're saying like the chrome developers just decided this was the right way to do it so they just implemented it that way and sort of it was sort of this mentality that you know we think that's what's best so we're just gonna do that and everyone's just going to sort of adapt to it like they own the internet or something now if you don't like it of course Firefox does not do this and there are other options when it comes to your internet browsing software that you choose to use hold on do we know why they thought it was an issue in the first place to have the WWE it's not clearly described to me by reading the articles I'm sure maybe they have put it more eloquently or something but I don't see it's one of those simplification things and like everything should be simpler and more easily easy to look at and the complex formatting of a typical website URL with the HTTP and like what does that mean at hyper hypertext like I'm not even excited right now and like the WW whatever else is going on there it's the same thing with like Windows removing filename extensions like dot exe and dot that's useful though yeah that's useful shit well that's super useful to be able to see them and know what kind of file you're looking at they were they were like no that's gonna confuse people who don't know what a dot exe is stupid so we're just gonna hide it so you can't see what it is but comparatively I've never found the WW in my url bar to be particularly useful like oh thank god that www is there everything's working and a lot of times if you just type in a website versus typing WWF site it's good it's the same thing but that's not always the case and as many people stated in that chromium blog thread there's lots of instances where two sites with similar your URL schemes can cause confusion it can also open the open the door to phishing attacks because if you don't have a situation where the WW is going to resolve to the site that doesn't have the www you might have somebody who can create a phishing email or something like that that has a website that looks like where it should go but it actually doesn't so again something that people are debating and discussing whether or not it was a good thing that Google did or the chrome team I guess specifically did or not and will will will say whether or not it's a good thing in just a second let's move on Brussels rustles you were in Brussels recently no I was no no sorry not Brussels you're near Brussels Bruges you're in Bruges freaking Bruges hello waffles you were in you were in Belgium though right yes nothing that's in Belgium yep okay so VA has Luke boxes and loot boxes we all love of course but Belgium has recently passed some laws about online gambling and anti gambling online and they determined that loot boxes are gambling and therefore if your game has loot boxes you you shouldn't you have to do something to get rid of that if you want to have your game be available in Belgium yay was like screw you we don't care what you have to say we're gonna do that anyway and we're not gonna change anything they're keeping these card packs essentially is what they call them the loot boxes in FIFA 18 as well as FIFA 19 which is coming out soon end of September that's when FIFA 19 comes out I don't play the FIFA game so but but people who do they're very very into it it probably also means you're very into soccer and that you're very mad that I just called football soccer how dare you but offended in Brussels public prosecutor's office has announced its consent its conducting a criminal investigation into EA for failure to comply this is gonna be there's gonna be like a belgium belgian attack team like squad that like flies in with belgian belgium helicopters belgian belgium go down to rest all the EA people carrying out all the loot boxes I think that's that's what I'm seeing it's happening we don't know what's gonna happen here it's an interesting you know the the government decide that they this is illegal versus the company deciding now we're just gonna do that anyway we'll see how that goes everyone in chat and sing football it's fine football this is really important about this art we have the football American in between football and soccer yeah what we're saying so Luke box it's more more to the Pope I mean the question we're asking here more is Luke boxes should loot boxes be a thing or not I don't get it so in this game our loot box is something that people can buy with real money or almost always in these cases it's like oh you can play the game for X amount of time and then you can earn these or you can just or you can just spend money right now and get a pack of them for you know however much money and I'm guessing they're really rarely what people can then sell for real money as well uncertainty that is not sure bet and that that is actually a pretty key point of distinction in the argument as to whether or not these are gambling cuz I think you couldn't you can make a strong art you can make a strong point that it's not gambling if that is not part of it mm-hmm if the money going if the money being paid is a one-way thing right then yes but if those can then be resold like like you know the csgo skin yeah like that right then it brings the there's a money-making element yeah yeah and right sort of a scaling up of cost and everything's right there well Marcie one last thing to discuss here on yes no Facebook is making an AI that can identify offensive memes wait what Facebook is making AI make them yeah I know they can identify offensive memes as demonstrated here with this picture of penguins great England's it says penguins can fly just gonna look at the meme and then figure out whether it's offensive or not well is it is alright is the AIA going to use 2018 Offensive standards or like 2000 off it would be offensive would be a learning computer it would it would develop over time because every meme is offensive in 2018 because everyone is so easily triggered like there will be zero memes once this a I fully evolves well and I think like the the key words that stand up here for me our Facebook and AI and the base is developing its own intelligence now like I think Facebook is is dangerous enough as it is without an AI and AI as we all know is well has a natural progression towards gaining sentience and then deciding humans are evil and then turning against this and working towards our ultimate extinctions so that's why obviously I mean I'm probably skewing the results of the yes/no here a little bit but just a damn no I mean that's that's what comes to my mind when when I read this article and I look at that meme of penguins can fly also surprise they would use such an offensive meme just as a demonstration I know clearly what are the Penguins gonna think they're probably gonna go they're probably pissed make even more offensive memes probably holding a bunch of torches right now marching towards the Facebook Hsu and you know they're probably getting really hot because they're not used to torches all right well thanks to all you guys who have provided us feedback and voted we are going to run down our yes or no so Kyle what that phone jack yes or no no Cal says no I don't need it www need it yes or no no no ww-wait I should phrase that differently should it be killed off should it be killed off yes or no no it should not be killed off oh oh gosh well now that it's already killed off I don't care if they bring it back or not so saying yes kill otter kill off the WWE it's already done okay too much work to go backwards I'm tracking you oh no I never clicked shoot I said what I never clicked in the thing when I made this this I never click the multi votes thing everyone has only gotten one vote on this I'm sorry it's okay though that's all still for what they were most true what what you struck them deepest but let's just say Lou boxes yes or no I don't say no actually it's only gonna be the first one because if they did it in order well I don't know I don't think I can edit cuz I didn't create this one it's a pretty basic alright so anyway all right so loot boxes I'm gonna say sure gotta like flute box yeah fuck it alright facebook' I uh yeah you know it's time for a shake alright time for a humankind shake up I vote power I vote opposite of everything Kyle voted for everyone jad phone jack at big time also everyone voted on this before realizing ok I know though pretty much is considering it wow you're all week one of the last bitches the most controversial here is obviously killing off the WW which is only a few votes away alright so this this is the first time I've done yes/no in this format and in the future I think I can improve things but I think we've all learned something today I think we've all learned something how do you start important alright sure guys we said things are going to be a little bit different for 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