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he's lying next to you baby it's very interesting occasionally it's dangerous because its legs will flail and stuff but and like knock things over or what I mean ideally no but what's dangerous about his legs flailing his leas he's very he's a large dog his long legs they're very powerful they flail around they can kick things over like your balls he says I said I was like like knocking things over and you're like no I said ideally he would not and I mean I'm oh I hope I hope he's not knocking things over but he's not things over before and he thinks he's small all right he does he would like to be a very small puppy he would curl up in your pocket and go to sleep and she always seems so cute no Chihuahua complex but oh you know what I forgot to do is open my my lead in there but we're probably starting right now so hi everyone hey welcome hey welcome to awesome hardware how's it going I am going to paste that and then strategically delete just like that look at that look at that URL URL ninjas all right yeah we're like okay hi everyone welcome to awesome hardware live show we talk about technology computers and computer hardware and mostly broadcast every Tuesday evening and we stream live to our YouTube channels we already stream the first half of this show which is episode number hundred and sixty-eight - Kyle's channel bit wit so that's linked in the description if you're watching in the future and they didn't check that out you should we talked about lots of interesting things now we're to talk about more interesting things more technology some Nvidia stuff some Intel stuff some fortnight's stuff kyle is gonna be able to drink more now since he's already completed his half of the show it's delicious but a real quick FYI for you guys we do enjoy a beer on the show and we do occasionally use adult language so don't listen if you don't like occasional adult language it's it's an adult show tax returns I guess that's what we're making insurance oh geez that 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newsy news slow our mind with knowledge super newsy news Kyle as soon as I scroll down to where I wrote stuff dad about it haha okay first off from legit reviews and if you guys want to check out any of these articles they're linked in the comment section down below or in the description of this video I should say and for legit reviews we have a report about a square-enix who is the developer of the Final Fantasy series of games posting benchmarks for the as yet unreleased r-tx 2080 from Nvidia what to their benchmark result site so we have only had limited releases and some leaks here and there for the RT X cards we have been able to unbox the cards and show them to you guys physically so far but we are still under embargo for actual benchmarks so that makes this somewhat special in the fact that it was Square Enix posting them makes you think that that's probably something thank you region of it you know nurse and as you would expect so it says Archie X 2080 but it's got the 20 atti on there too I guess I should have included that in the title did they in their article the article said 2080 that's what I was just what's up come on neighthan weird this is yeah Nathan weird damn it Nathan fine but anyway check out the twenty atti sitting there on top with a score I've not run this benchmark yet oh here oh don't oh we're doing this by any man we hit fast it's like a penguin I've not run in this benchmark yet so I guess it gives you a score not a frame rate looks like it yeah so high quality settings twenty atti score over ten thousand we're dreaming the Titan V's score of over 9000 hmm twenty eighty coming in at 80 166 which does beat the 1080 TI right there and all these are beating or coming close to various versions of the Titan that have been available over time here it was restless down there yes all over the place that's 2560 by 1440 though what about 4k here that 4k results as listed and here again we can see that 2080 I coming out on top by it by inducing margin there 5842 compared to 50 282 from the closest Titan V remember the Titan V was a tiny V cost oh he's about to ask 3000 I think was what it debuted at when it originally launched and it's Titan V's Volta right so Nvidia skipped Volta they had Pascal they worked on Volta they they only an integrated Volta into the Titan V and like workstation cards and like super computers and stuff which is cool but you know we never got to really mess with the volt of stuff until Turing which is what the 2000 series is based on which has both the volts of stuff with the tensor course as well as the Turing additional stuff which is the RT course for retracing turning still $3,000 and up on Amazon and Newegg you mean the Titan V Titan be sorry still over 33 grams so yeah still in high demand mmm-hmm for that one but in either case the 2080 and these tests is beating out the 1080 Ti and I think for the listed prices that's going to be the big question for people right now who are actually seriously considering a high-end graphics card because the 2080 Ti is a halo pro I mean a thousand bucks if you're lucky probably more like 1150 1200 and up for the 2080 TI's if you're looking at anything like right now probably through the end of the year but anyone who's like looking at something reasonable as in the seven to eight hundred dollar range reasonable which I this feels weird even trying to say that see that's what they're doing that's what they're trying to make it say that that that's reasonable it's still not but people are still gonna buy it so we still have to say like alright if you're thinking about a card in that range that's your those are your options twenty eighty and ten atti yeah and the twenty eighty it has GDR six but it has eight gigs 1080i has gddr5 X but it has eleven gigs so there's let's think about here I also know the performance is gonna be a question I also think the r-tx twenty eighty is prone to go up in price from what we think it is now and the gtx 980ti is prone to go down in price from here on out because i think the video is trying to get rid of their older 10 series supply it would be able to see some bargains on the 1080 TI especially after it being so overpriced for so long last year that would be some like recompense for the egregious overpriced 2000 series and what we've seen so far of course more than that once we can talked about talking about benchmarks at some point in the next 48 hours I can say that safely right not sure I mean yeah that's fine okay I think there's a red laser pointer on your bag Wow Jensen Jensen is gonna drop down from behind me and just like snap my neck right off I'm pointing you real quick real quick his gun gets Jam he's like damn it Tom you're fired you've got lucky this time hoop ripped my gun was a Tom this is probably if anything goes wrong in that situation definitely on top all right moving on the Intel 9000 series of CPUs which is still a rumor at this point which is still unconfirmed but so many leaks like I feel like the past three four or five episodes of this live show as well as lots of other tech news sources around the web have just constantly been talking about 9,000 serious leaks when it comes to performance they're all they're all there they're all either really really consistent leakers and they're sort of like you know they all have a hive mind or they're all true it's it's hard to say for sure but here's another one sorry to say and this one I guess is potentially slightly more legitimate because it's a video and the video itself is by hke pcs like in lamb and he recorded the screen so this is it's harder to fake something like this yeah I mean videos certain things you can you can fake in certain ways and I'm not saying this is for sure but this looks fairly legit they're running Cinebench r15 with the rumored I $9.99 hundred K which is 8 for 16 thread it's just going to be on the new LGA 1151 socket and it's clocked the 5 gigahertz in this demo and he runs Cinebench like life on camera and it comes up with the score of 2166 that I mentioned it's running at 5 gigahertz it's running at 5 gigahertz so there's a video and you know think of it what you what you will again yeah looks pretty legit it seems like some of these demos for some of these elites I don't know it's hard to say like Intel playing this or something but at some point you have to be like our people aren't if there's no consequence for leaking stuff right then that was it intentional or not this is just pretty that's pretty how things like that guys face was in the reflection of the modern everything here less people the side people don't know who he is or anything so have you no shame lao khene lam the score of 2166 is about on par with a stock I 979 hundred X which is the ten-course skylake X so that shows you that an eight-core the the single core performance with an 8 core is improved enough to outperform the ten core with scaling X also of course you get a frequency bonus from there because it is clocked at Foggy Hertz which is significantly higher than the 7900 X runs at stock I don't know what that is off the top of my head but point being it's still pretty impressive score of 2166 if you want to compare it to a md5 and radec s-- which is also a core 16 threads scores in the mid-1800s depending on who you look at and who's testing 1836 was what overclocked 3d he got and there are specific tests so that's a good 330 points behind and of course this is just Cinebench and it's early info and could all be lies probably all lies but it does seem like there is some effort to put more eyeballs on the rumors and stuff about Intel's upcoming launch which we still don't have any firm release date on I don't know just to just to keep people thinking about that as a possibility coming up I mean the even if you wanted to buy an 8000 series processor right now they're they're limited like they're having supply issues with them so they're all overpriced so if they don't have to worry about selling out their current stock then it would make sense to hype up the next stuff that's coming up in order to draw more attention away from what AMD's got going on or just get people excited about the next generation of products yeah Intel might be back in the game who knows but I mean I'm ok with that I had like a competition movie God though the r-tx founders edition was disassembled this is video from gamers Nexus friends Friends of Awesome hardware and Steve recently disassembled or attempted to disassemble their 20 atti founders Edition directly from Nvidia and he was unable he failed at that test won't be able to remove the cooler from the PCB and remove a few elements from the cooler itself but the cooler has a vapor chamber across the entire base of it and it is just like fused together in this assembly dishonor of it's not soldered but it is it's it's it's screwed in from the top and let me jump further for it in the video this top plate that has the RT X xx atti logo on it there's a bunch of glue underneath that well you have to remove that plate in order to remove the screws that are underneath that in order to remove the fan assembly from the top from the thin array that's beneath it and the vapor chamber that's beneath that so it's just it's a it's a it's a bitch of a thing to get apart basically yeah yeah Steve ended up I'm gonna take the ink into it in order to get the glue loose enough to pull this piece off and that allowed and we get it to pieces underneath interesting thing about this was it's this PCB this PCB is part of the cooler by the way it's not the PCB from the PCB from the GPU part is has already been removed at this point right but this is a full this is an RGB capable PCB it has controls capable of that so they potentially were designing it with that ability in mind but then just decided no probably a branding decision right GeForce GTX at the GeForce r-tx now logo has always been green so it only can be green and that's all we shouldn't allow people who funny if they made it RGB but you couldn't be red like they remove the red chili bean and painted blue I guess pretty soon that should be removing the blue one too right cinto yes but a shout out to Steve for really hacking apart there their sample yeah graphics very cuz I mean he he states multiple times in the video they don't care about the aesthetics of it or scuffing it up or anything it's also it's create the Assembly of the whole thing is insane there's 70 71 screws holding the whole thing together Mike and he had to take apart like even little screws which is retention plates for like the cable coming from the from the RGB control over to the thing you'll be taking pictures every three seconds to remember where all the screws go like that yeah so so there it is you know I was an interesting watch for me and if you guys again want to check it out it's linked in the video's description the r-tx founders edition teardown by gamers Nexus and good on Steve for actually getting it apart he actually after the first video because he did an initial video on this we're just able to get down to the PCB so if you want a water cool it's your okay yeah you can remove that top cooler and get to the the PCB so you can water cool that that's not a major issue but if you want to get into the cooler itself in order to do stuff like service the fans if they get really filled with dust or something like that it's very challenging the IP rating for dust for these is pretty good but they're still gonna get filled with dust over time if you're running it on your computer so that's why Steve does the tear downs and I find them quite useful although I've not at this point been willing to take my fresh clean founder's insufficient sample and like hack it apart so I appreciate Steve doing that for for all the people yeah let's move on oh nice alright so you guys all like to build computers or to some extent I assume and you maybe have built has spent money on computer products over time we have a situation in the u.s. right now that might be affecting how much you pay this is an article from the verge an article from the verge not a video about building a computer from the verge more on that later in the show oh but we've got some tariffs going on in the US some trade Wars I'm not going to comment too much on the trade Wars of the tariffs we're going to stroll past scroll past the picture of Trump Trump here but Monday night the US Trade Representative USTR finalized a new round of tariffs on 200 billion dollars worth of Chinese imports and according to the article the impact on tech companies will be severe and the question in my mind that I will say is not a hundred percent answered by this story and I'm going to to follow up on this further later on is how much is this going to be affecting the cost of individual PC components for people who are buying them in the US and there's not a clear answer but starting next week affected goods by this tariff will face a 10% tax as they enter the country and the way tariffs work if you're not familiar is we're not charging China anything when the products come in the agencies the companies whoever in the US is buying those products from overseas has to pay the tariffs no tariffs for the money for the tariffs goes to the government so that that's how that works um which means that if you're a company and you're selling a products and the products you you're selling come from overseas and suddenly the cost of your product goes up by 10 percent because you're having to pay attempt there's some import tax most often that costs to some degree and companies work this out different ways depending on their profit margins is passed on to people who want to buy those products so is next week the cost of computer components which we've been like thankfully watching decrease in certain areas for quite some time I'm going to suddenly jump by 10 percent I can't tell you that for sure right now but the article does list several companies that are fairly concerned by this cyber PowerPC is the company closed most closely related to what we talked about and the products and that we usually talk about here and the cyber PowerPC CEO said that these tariffs will increase the cost of all our products and we will no longer be able to stay competitive in our company's 20-year history so while we propose the section 301 tariff action is the greatest threat to our company's survivability never arise now to be clear there is stuff that's excluded from these tariffs and that often seems to be stuff that will like stand out the least or piss off people the least or at least affects their directs consumers of products who are buying stuff so phones for example are exempted so people aren't going to suddenly have to be paying more money for their iPhones or whatever but there is a wide range so so sorry the tariffs spare most popular computer products like phones and computers but a wide range of electronics are listed including printed circuit boards power assemblies and computer chips so this is where I'm not sure right how much this is gonna affect individual products like motherboards and processors it says computer chips power assemblies printed circuit boards CPUs and motherboards sounds like a lot again a lot of components have some element of that yes so worried memory has PCBs we're not really sure of this there is again linked in the article the final list of goods and there's a PDF that you can go look at that lists all these products it is I don't know how many pages long sorry it's 194 pages so I did a little bit of control finds on this for to see if it specifically listed CPUs or anything like that I was unable to determine too much like there's another company listed in the article who's in having a really tough time because they creates what's it called element electronics makes Roku integrated Smart TVs and they're specifically one of the things listed is the the panels they have the the TV panels themselves so for companies that are importing parts that are assembling products here in the US the that's where the that's where the tariffs are hurting people apparently you know for certain finished goods then it's okay but that makes less sense to me because it's like there's lots of stuff that's where the parts are manufactured elsewhere but it's assembled in the US mm-hmm so that makes zero sense to me how that somehow helps us by by doing that but right of course I'm sure is gonna be much people in the comments you're like no you're stupid stuff but whatever it is best point being next week suddenly all of our computer parts start costing 10% more and 25% more by the end of the year that's that sucks just when we started to see a dip in prices for like GPUs after the mining crazy idea finally and like SSDs and everything so yeah again this is something a lot to keep an eye on and I tried to do a little bit more research before the show but I ran out of time so we'll come back to it maybe we follow up on it maybe well I don't know if the prices prices do go up noticeably I hope they won't go up like exactly in a week because it might like cuz you know blah to vendors still have their existing supply that they've already imported over I don't know I might have to wait for that to to go away before they start raising the prices but either way eventually it's gonna but companies do forecasts and if they know an increase price the true I mean they're not gonna wait to raise their price there you raise it when they know that's coming to make up for the loss yeah yeah so anyways I will follow up on that more and yeah I know politics and everything that it affects exactly everything exactly what we do I do a monthly video on building a computer for his cheap as possible yeah this directly affects me I'm gonna talk about ok yeah ok fortnight has been blamed for 200 divorces in the UK since January this is news this is since January this news tryna turn to get something later after the stupid tariff news but yes divorce nothing lighter than divorces well it's light-hearted divorce because it's caused by video game playing people playing too many video games no no to be more specific this is according to research by divorce online co dot uk' so a uk-based divorce website and they said since January 2018 200 divorces have mentioned addiction to fortnight and other online games as one of the reasons for the relationship breakdown so that's kind of grouped together it's possible that you know not every single one of those was directly like some fortnight addicted person who is yeah I'm spending all the time on that but this was information was also prior to for battle royale being released on mobile devices and March so maybe it's gotten worse since then but I feel like this is something that has been an issue for I mean at least since video games have been like a very common thing there have been stories of people spending too much time with games I would like my memory goes back to World of Warcraft because that was a game that there were so many stories about but World of Warcraft II also had stories of people meeting on there and like getting married yo you know there's that aspect of it too but you know there's there's not really a whole lot to that the article goes over a few other aspects of I wonder claim to my donor if it's the gamers who are requesting the divorce look I just want more time like she just keeps nagging me yeah just want to play for tonight right so I don't need you I have not I have a mistress and her name's Pat no no Kyle I have to imagine amongst all of those maybe some of it was that way just let me play video games in peace or we're getting a divorce that's I never knew I could love something this much I have to imagine if it comes to that that it you know must have been over an arranged marriage or something like that yeah article also talks about like NBA player Andre Drummond's whose says he's hooked on the game and a baseball player and David Price who missed a game makes missed a baseball game because he had carpal tunnel syndrome due to do the playing too much for tonight so anyway a few more things in the article there but let's move on once this is a little bit more serious tech news I guess but a MD who sort of quietly launched some new rise in laptop CPUs with bigger graphics integrated you something that I think a lot of people were expecting when AMD launched their rise in AP use originally the 2200 G and 2400 G for the desktop people like this makes sense as a product to integrate somehow into a laptop you're sorry you can you really quick scroll down so I have to see a GTI space is to be that guy thank you but yeah the the interesting thing here is that AMD has not made any official announcement about this but the APU are listed on AMD's website directly so you can just go there and look like here's the page for the risin 7 version the 2800 H is what it's called yes I understand you use cookies am d and there it is are there any new are there actual laptops launched already Lundy no so that's that lease at least not that was linked by the article so that might be why they haven't made much of an announcement like this is because the products are there now but there's really no products there really no like laptops based on them that you can buy interesting thing is that since the the even though that's there's an R 5 and an RS 7 the r7 2800 H here and the why are they both 2800 H one of these is supposed to be not 2808 alright nevermind there is an r5 2600 H 3.2 gigahertz and 3.6 gigahertz for bass and Mac's boosts clock respectively 512 stream processors on the Vega GPU which is clocked at eleven hundred megahertz and here is the product page for these seven thousand seven 2800 H both of them are four cores and eight threads this one has 11 GPU cores base clock of 3.3 gigahertz moose clock of 3.8 and there's the rest of the Flex there there is a configurable TDP so depending on the chassis it's integrated into in the cooling solution depite between 35 and 54 watts so so that is that's interesting same core and thread count for both the risin 5 and 7 SKU yeah so let me spec that slightly confusing if you are familiar with the desktop side of it but if you're not then I guess really matter but either way cool to see these maybe we'll see some cool laptop designs based on these and if you want a gaming laptop but you don't want something with an actual discrete GPU and imagine these would be borrowed on power consumption and everything sorry about the dogs it's all good about that everything's fixed now we're all back to normal so yeah since they are BGA mounted ball grid array CPUs which are meant to be soldered directly to a PCB or a motherboard in a laptop also known as om there's no retail pricing provided so that that that's the only thing that sucks about this story let's move on though oh that's all we have for news short we are going to now do another segment the classic sword fight segment oh yeah certified is where Kyle and I argue about something now do it since we're doing the slightly more truncated version of awesome Hardware this time around we're gonna keep our arguments a little bit more short but nevertheless we're gonna argue about stuff and the first thing we're gonna argue about is also in a strawpoll that you guys can help vote on to help us argue decide who wouldn't who won the argument that's how it goes right sure yeah okay I'm gonna postal strap hole here cells also posting this drop hole big big round of applause to cell processing our moderator for being here moderating and being awesome thanks so also well I think about it I meant to say this at the beginning of the show in the beginning of your show Harbor connects oh yeah they had a million congratulations subscribers I just tweeted him right before he went live ha they're finally they're at a million and they deserve every day no subscriber that they have they do so much good work there and they're just still the best visuals in the tech game I think in the PC space ever and Dimitri you guys awesome you guys are awesome we got Harbor Canucks and they're great people too yeah I just could ask it guys good ass guys just love their asses they have amazing butter succulent cheeks let's get a handful yeah every time in 44k all right so uh so hard you we're gonna argue about this first of all ninja ninja Asian enzymes about dance on rooftops talked about fortnight of him ninja is a streamer and he is the most popular streamer right yeah members oh who knows he just everything he's a face of our generation and for tinnitus is kind of his game and he is being featured on the cover of ESPN The Magazine is he getting divorced which means he's finally made it what never mind a tire man okay cuz we were talking about fortnight so of course this this is the this is ESPN - oh okay perfect I totally I should have your head linked up on that sorry I should at that yeah don't mind me okay anyway this is an ESPN tweet about it so of course everyone in the replies is talking about how sure whether or not a person who plays video games is an athlete right ESPN is is a sports network right is it's fortnight of sport it's eSports mmm sports that's the question that we were going to answer right now hmm and while we give you guys a brief moments here to consider that I'm also going to go over the next question just so we can we can back-to-back can it can it kind of go over that and the next question is a little bit more sensitive you know it's a sensitive subject indeed I'm totally not even logged into the right account there so oh post anything in YouTube chat if you might draw someday then that's fine I got you either way no big deal okay so there's that and the question is about the verges how to build a PC video which as we know I would have nothing about received a fair amount of criticism has it been dragged far enough or does it require further dragging we're asking you guys to to respond to that we have Kyle's video here Lyle actually did this one sorry that's a Lyle video yeah I've never met Lyle strange you know I'm missing Mikey we've got we've got Gregg's video here from science studio why not subscribe to Craig there we go I know I didn't realize I wasn't subscribed to him either until like this week I subscribed subscribe Greg Greg Greg I did too just now alright so vote on just a second but for now back to the ESPN thing esports fortnight does it count as sports no Kyle's gonna say no you say no why not wait does like do games like chess and checkers do they count sports see that's the that's the argument that you could make if you were arguing this is that's that's where I'm going it's like okay one's a tabletop game and one's a digital game but if one's not considered a sport I don't think the other should be and I don't I don't think I've ever seen like a chess player on the cover of an ESPN Magazine nor have I ever seen a chess game on the ESPN channels so I'm gonna say that eSports kind of falls into that category and I don't think just because it has the word sports in its name officially deems it an athletic sport there are certain elements that a professional eSports player has that overlap with certain abilities that a real at the true physical athlete has like all the hard work dedication and the time spent and maybe mental exercises and things like that there are certain things that overlap there but you could say the same thing about like solitaire or being a professional Chinese checkers player I think there's a difference there's a big enough difference there to warrant set a set a segregation all about segregation on this show all the segregation episode all right so I obviously then will say yes eSports are sports and definitely sports and I have a very basic argument for this if we're defining sports as something that's covered on ESPN ESPN covers poker and you can't compare the athleticism of poker to the athleticism of something like for tonight if anything for tonight requires more athleticism because it comes down to this dexterity and skill of fine movement fine motor skills in the hands reaction times which are all very key elements in sporting events whether you're talking about something like baseball or basketball or something that does require those fine motor skills like like golf for example so if we're talking about something that requires physical skill I'd say that there's physical skill involved if we're talking about like oh they can be fat or something like you can have a fat person who's really good at eSports and still somehow be a an eSports athlete and they don't count somehow as an athlete because they're fat bowling motherfucker how about look at some bowling of people who bowled and that's a sport then you play with a ball and you throw it at something and you keep score with points at everything so there is there you go I'm gonna try to tell me fortnight's or eSports not a sport I just I think what all of these have in common is that they're all competitive and require an immense amount of training and preparation now that doesn't mean that there should only be one umbrella called sports that all of them go under I think that it's time we branch out and have different kinds of sports there's like the more to it where you're saying now is that within the confines of this argument right now you're branching out into like I'm still arguing in my hey the defensible grounds no no middle ground I still don't think that eSports is an actual sport I think it is an eSport and that that is different than a sport and I think I think chess and poker should be considered T Sports tabletops force as its sports does some t sports eSports sports t sports also could be like an English thing like okay who did it better alright let's see what you guys have to say about this one eSports are they sports yes or no oh oh like I win Kyle yeah cuz you got a bunch of nerds on your side nerds no Dean percentage I totally like to watch a lot of me that's every advise - I could also poised on defense I could also see gamers being like I don't want it to be a sport I don't like I don't like jockeys stuff that's associated with sports and sporting and this Mets ball let's keep it's everyone's own thing what can I have our own thing and was part of their fake yeah it's not like an AT&T commercial totally does all right let's move on though all right so this was all over the place this past week it seemed like for whatever reason the verge did a video Stephane Etienne was the host of it and it was all kinds of wrong it was there's nothing that there's no way around that and there's no way around the amount of popularity attributed to people who are just shitting all over this video which I was shocked that Lyle went as savage as he did why why he's toward the verge a new one so Kyle did I'm sorry Lyle his videos performed better than any of mine have in the last six months I still haven't I still haven't met Lyle in person yeah I still only have to take cows word for it on his attitude and everything he's a very busy schedule but I'm just using these as examples there's Kyle's video there's Greg over at science studio who also took it upon himself Greg's video is great too you should go check out Greg's video if you haven't seen it yet as it has more views than mine more views than Kyle's just recently break-in 400k here hmm so that's all teetle so they this this is ad come on Craig anyway so going over this now to be fair here and I have had varying thoughts on this video over the past few days like it deserves every bit of criticism I feel like that it has gotten when it comes to the inaccuracies in the video sure and I feel like gosh who tweeted it I don't know gamers Nexus initially brought it to my attention with the tweet okay because they were may also calling out one of their editors for saying that tech youtubers are not journalists so here's here and here's where I feel like some of the some viciousness I came in came in on this a little bit to my mind now the question we're asking is has it been dragged far enough and you guys are we've already posted that link in the comment for you guys to to vote on the second up so if I want to if I want to take devil's advocate which I was kind of looking at it from yesterday because like like if he didn't say that the dude who may notice that video did that's did not tweet the nasty thing about youtubers aren't journalists sure he's just a pawn in the hole so scheme of things so taking that like stupid thing that that dude tweeted who is a who is one of the I think he's an editor and at the verge yeah and he has deleted that that that tweet because he realized it was a stupid tweet and Steve called him out on that tweet too taking that and then applying that to this video makes your reaction to this video so much more dimension worse so much worse because if he if Stefan had come out and been like you didn't used to percent journalists let me show you how to make it how to make it from and then when you end up into this like that that would be so much more horrible so it's still the internet and it the response would still be and it might be hard to distinguish which group had seen the tweets and which ones had in true so I wanted I wanted to bring this up first of all because I want to hear guys his opinion on it but also because I just I just wanted to know if anyone else got sort of a feeling like I did where after I feel like four or five days of just get I like I have people tweeting me like you need to make a video on this video about a horrible it is right and and and lots of there there are other reaction videos to it besides this video the video itself has been taken down here what are you doing he's like brought this whole bed to my foot and he wants to be closer to that burrowing sweet boy right carry on oh I got so anyway what do you think Kyle should has it been dragged far enough that's just a wee question we can quickly answer here should we cut this off or should we cancel it continue I'll give my honest answer here and I think yes let the suffering end okay I think they got it tenfold what they were expecting to get I didn't even think that they would get the amount of response that they did now of course Lyle and Greg and other other contributors probably helped propel that forward whether it was their intention or not but I think that what also initially sparked a lot of controversy was that they at some point disabled the negative comments and they also disables and likes and dislikes which made the video even more misleading to new builders who might have stumbled upon it I mean it's the verge they have to two plus million subscribers they've got to be a reputable source for all kinds of information and that's just a bad thing to do in general if you have a video that's tanking or that's getting a ton of negative negativity on it right turning out meds and disabling likes and dislikes but is not gonna help ya it's just gonna show that you are aware of how horrible the video is right and so I think a lot of that negative feedback finally did something good something positive which was all leading up to which was having them finally remove the video because the video is now taken down so that's good and I think now that the video is down we can sort of just let it go I think they got the message and it's it's not it's done put it behind us okay now I obviously have to argue for know they deserve additional mockery so everyone's fun everyone should go and post on all of the verge articles comments it's like all the verge articles about other stuff should just have comments about this PC video women's rights if they can play sheep like in a year from now I want to see people just trashing the verge because like remember that BC how to build a PC video you guys tried to do is terrible the internet never forgets assholes never in never gonna go away but alright let's let's see what you guys have to say about that one it hasn't been dragged far enough not good by a landslide you guys just don't let it go the internet you hold more grudges off of hatred you know daddy's for let the hate flow through you channel your hatred itself into you like this is this is like a it's like a study in in framing a video right yeah framing a video what do you mean screaming framing a video is what you're supposed to do you know and I'm not talking about art by the way the videos that are like artistic and stuff I'm not talking about that yeah and talk about a video that's supposed to be someone watches video and they learn something from it or they they get something out of it framing the videos that happens at the beginning hey guys welcome to my channel um today I'm gonna do a video about this like right like yeah you give some level of expectation for its coming sure if this Verge video had been stefan coming out there and being like hey guys i built a couple videos before i've built a couple computers before you know let's build a new one here's how much I spent and it was more of a like learn along with me anything like all you had to do is like there's the phrase there's some very simple changes that could have been made to how the video was phrased from the get-go and you couldn't fault them for yeah and then you'd be like okay that's fine but no to bundle Authority and then they could have made a follow-up video after he got all the feedback and be like alright guys you guys so anyway they're this I guess that's why we do tech videos about building computers and they have done a few of this but yeah thank you all for your feedback on that and that pretty much 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