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employees is shutting down just news there trickle out late last week there were some varying reports on it from varying locations including like whenever something like this happens you have internal people who are just like god I'm losing my job anyway so screw it I'm just gonna be like sweet about losing my job there was and use an update directly from Telltale Games a statement so to speak regarding the situation so they are maintaining a skeleton crew of 25 staffers remain on board to usher in the company's remaining Walking Dead episodes to see that through to the end that's one of the franchises that they oversee as well as to fulfill the company's obligations to its board and partners not determine exactly what that is but at least finishing that game it's the games in progress including Walking Dead the projects in the works that are being cancelled as a result of telltale biting biting the dust kicking the bullet kicking the biting the bullet no kick in a bucket kicking the bucket yeah any of those things getting canned by the can yeah yeah the projects include the wolf among us series will now be not good not there anymore there's also a previously announced series based on the Netflix show stranger things which who knows that that would have been good or crappy that those are canceled - so we'll never know it's also I'm sure when these types of things happen if any of their existing IP will be bought up by another company and you see resurrected elsewhere no word on that but I'm sorry I missed why they go in under it wasn't really specified it appears to be from some of the commentary I read like poor management's people who were like hey we're making money let's pretend like we're gonna keep making that much money forever and run the company that way I don't know I mean I'm really not sure it would be speculation to dive into that so blame the tariffs it's all the tariffs on it doesn't ones and zeroes have anything to do with tariffed we will talk about the tape primary but that's this code this is not associated we should shred it I'm just rats Fred fake news about the tears just like anything bad happens in the last couple weeks but gets a tariff on the tariffs terms we'll be talking about that later though cos tonight my for real see my benchmark runs to lockup okay if you're not familiar at all the tilts telltale games they rose to prominence in 2012 with the first game they did based on the first Walking Dead Season they have since then produced licensed narrative headed heavy games based on properties like Batman minecraft Borderlands and Game of Thrones so according to that Ars Technica article which you guys can read the full thing in the description if you want to before all that though they also made the classic point-and-click serious Sam and Max which you guys may have heard of oh no Kyle Headen anyway though what I first actually heard about this by seeing other developers who were tweeting out and sympathy to those who lost their jobs who were working at telltale and saying like hey guys like I know there was at least one place who said they were gonna have a recruitment drive and we're inviting people because you know that's a two hundred and I guess 250 - 25 people losing their jobs that's a decent amount I wouldn't have guessed telltale games was that big yeah I mean little indie developer I mean they really blood it's a lot of a lot of work to develop video games oh definitely yeah no that's that's unfortunate hopefully they all all that talent gets spread elsewhere in the industry though yes hopefully some good will come of it in the end all right moving on NCIX is a was what is a canadian retailer and some news came out about them just in the past week I first saw this tweeted by Luke the friend of Linus media group because this significantly impacts not just people who have shopped at NCIX in the past and you should pay very close attention if you are a former NCIX shopper but also absolutely ncx employees situation was laid out in this law I don't know if you'd call gonna cause a blogger a news report article it's on privacy fly calm and this is a website that's run by security researcher Travis Doreen this is a one-off article as far as I can tell this isn't like a website that typically reports stuff like this but if you guys have never read an article about something like a like a data breach or just data that's in the wild and how it's handled by by people when the oversight of a company that's in control of it goes away it was this is a fascinating article I actually did read the whole thing and I'm gonna give you guys just the bullet point summary because there are quite a few details but NCIX basically they went they declared bankruptcy in 28 2017 we reported we talked about this on a live show they were a former former rival of New Age our former employee but apparently when they closed down they did not wipe any of the servers that they had and those servers were also not encrypted when they were originally set up which is an unfortunate situation that you find about with lots of different companies company went belly-up and then all of the the servers and a bunch of hardware was in a warehouse that where the NCIX owed that warehouse something like 150 thousand Canadian which is about a hundred fifty hundred and fifteen thousand u.s. and back money for renting the warehouse but ncx isn't around anywhere so the warehouse now de facto owns that equipment because it was just left there so they're just trying to get rid of it but the people who end up in charge in situations like this might not be on the up-and-up so the article talks the article is from the standpoint of Travis who actually went in and talked to Jeff who's the guy who listed all this hardware on Craigslist in Richmond British Columbia which included just a crap ton of stuff from NC X's old offices and data center 300 desktop computers from their corporate offices of retail stores 18 Dell PowerEdge servers to super micro servers running the star wind I scuzzy software the ncx had used to backup their hard disks also 109 hard drives which have been removed from servers before auction so they were auctioning off like the server hardware but pulling the hard drives off of it that had images or vital data on it because they knew that there was value in the hardware itself and selling that but there's also value in that data if you are a shady shitty person willing to willing to sell other people's personal data that you technically don't own but can profit off of which is the situation that Travis ran into and he talks about the guy pitching him selling him the hardware selling him the data doing a like will leave you the room like there was there's a there's a pitch where he says for $15,000 you can rent the room that has all this stuff in it and basically he'll just leave and let you go in there and like bring your own hardware in and copy it all off an image it and stuff I'll just turn a blind eye while you yeah unload all the essential transfer everything so you have multiple levels of crap crappiness here from the people who ended up with this hardware being very responsible with it from the nca ex being irresponsible with the way the data was stored in the first place and fortunately this is now I don't become public knowledge but the data according to Jeff the contact who the article writer was talking to he had already sold the data like I think three or four times at least and he had another guy who was supposed to like fly in in December to do that whole rent the room thing or something so all this is to say again if you were a format firmer NCIX customer at all this is all of their data going back 15 years and the company's lifespan you should assume that your data is compromised your personal information whether it is talking about name address it's not a hundred percent sure about credit card numbers and stuff like that but just assume that you're compromised and in particular if you're an employee because they have employee databases and records including stuff like a backup image of the Steve Wu's computer who is the founder of NCIX and the CEO so a lot of the personal information which includes the Canadian equivalent of a social security number which is called like a si n or something I forget exactly what that's called but like they're not just their payment information from having placed orders but their personal information from applying to the company tax information stuff like that his has been compromised too so that's a pretty crappy situation that's very unfortunate the only positive really can you can say is that at least it's public knowledge now so people who are aware of I can take steps to protect themselves but my gosh if you are in a situation where you're doing data services for a company like I don't know try to try to impress upon your superiors the importance of information security especially in a situation like this I got it I don't know what lesson there is to learn from from this or anything people are suggesting some of the credit monitoring services that you can get credit monitoring services are typically run by the credit company the the credit companies themselves like Experian and Equifax and TransUnion so that's a anyway I don't I don't like the I don't like how the credit situation works right now but personal information and and and you know having having your data stolen is that's that's pretty crappy let's move on all right Windows 10 it is having an update soon we know that briefly mentioned it and the reason it is somewhat more significant for those of us who are in the PC and PC gaming space is because the the the graphics cards that we've been talking about and benchmarking and doing videos on for the past week or two have retracing features and we cannot use them we cannot test them until Windows gets an update itself this is promised with the windows update that's coming up which is called redstone 5 which is gonna bring ray-tracing support as well as other things I was trying to figure out what the other things are but for the at least this is a Kotaku article with does that include like DL SS and stuff for certain games yeah it's it's it's the update to like DirectX I believe itself in order to enable some of these new features there's a TechRadar article that has some of the other features that are also going to be upgraded with this Windows 10 redstone patch features like at windows s 0 1 news app and improved phone integration what Windows 10 redstone 5 is going to revolutionize the way we used our Windows 10 pcs yeah I agree I agree yawn for starters can we and and of course we can't like none of this is optional it's like an all-or-nothing type of deal right you can probably actually end up with it I mean a lot of the times they integrate new features and you can just not use them if you don't really want to and the most annoying thing is usually there'll be a pop-up or something because like hey there's a new feature we did they let you try it it's like because they wanted people to try new features it's like it's like it's like just constant bloatware that just periodically enters your system and i with with pop-ups to remind you that the bloatware is there and that you should use the bloatware I completely agree with you in Windows 10 is way more annoying than like Windows 7 ever used to be and stuff like that I I try to look at that at both sides though because there there is other stuff going on under the hood as far as updates and everything for security they it is important but yeah be nice if that just happened in the background and we never heard heard about it or anything but it's also a different type of Windows like we're not expecting Windows 11 or Windows 12 or anything like that we're expecting Windows tend to be more like Windows as a service and I think they have to sort of change their business model for for advertising it and trying to promote it as as like you useful things that you get along with Windows so I think that's part of why they have been pitching these updates the way that sounds like a swordfight no one would win yeah no I completely agree with you Windows 10 is super annoying a lot of the time and it kind of sucks but if you want to do the ray-tracing stuff you're going to need this new Windows Update and if you are on Windows 10 then chances are you're gonna end up with this update eventually because it'll just it'll just update itself what are you like how do they like it or not brute force at some point it'll just be there necessary evil I guess other improvements include improved game mode and game bar which I've never done never used the game mode exist I know it exists cuz when you start a game that's it pops ups like Windows 10 game stuff oh that seems that yes oh god like I never do any of it because you realize it's called feature called storage sense which will automatically free up storage space on your hard drive by getting rid of old files you don't use anymore which just sounds scary right like what I would trust something more like see see see you later you haven't looked at these tax returns in like three years obviously let's just leave those here are some precious photos of your firstborn child you imagine it will hopefully be a bit more intelligent than that Windows MRR though is mixed reality so speculation the article that that could be something to do with hololens which you're maybe still over I don't know but the ray-tracing stuff the stuff for gaming is really the stuff that's most important so that's what why we're looking forward to this update if we are looking forward to this update you can download and install it right now if you're part of the windows insider program which I am NOT you never mind you're a my maybe I am maybe I did it like years ago and I still in but and again it's called redstone five that's the developers name for it and the actual name isn't going to be like creators update or anything they're just calling it the Windows 10 October 2018 update which I actually like I prefer that to the creators update emmc or some garbage more straightforward is the update that happened on this date and at this time yeah no flaw and of course that ray-tracing support support for some other gaming features will segue us perfectly into the next segment which is green stuff a segment Takei Noel started last week yeah which is basically just means we have too much nvidia stuff to talk about all once more like that's really they've released graphics cards first time in a couple years so there's lots of discussion going on about it AMD's not doing anything in this space whether you like it or not there is some AMD news coming up on calcio yeah show some some potential mid-range cards there so we'll see what happens there but for green stuff though the first first big news is actually somewhat valuable if you've been waiting for the RT x 2070 it's it's got a launch date now we were promised it in October when we at games come when I'm video did their initial announcement of the RT X series now we know October 17th we don't know if October 17th is also going to be when that redstone 5 update comes but maybe who knows yeah again this is announced back during the the gamescom offense all we got though was price and sort of your basic spec list and it wasn't a whole lot more than that other than that vague October launch date why this is just a battle field trip are we watching that hey there's a picture specs look there's specs that's useful so yeah obviously it has specs that are less than the r-tx 2080 mm room for CUDA cores there's some clock speeds listed there 8 gigs of DDR 6 still though so it's got roughly the same memory configuration as the 2080 still got that virtual link type C port DisplayPort 1.2 for an HDMI 2.0 be good stuff price is 599 dollars for the founders Edition or 8 $499 if you believe in videos still damn pardon me no that's what I'm gonna start saying now every time I have to every time I'm talking about this stuff and I have to list the two prices there's all levels like the RT X xx atti $1,200 for the addition or launch day Twitter bucks cheaper for the other ones no no same rice if I founders Edition yes same price ooh that like you can get it there's an EVGA one for like 30 bucks less or something and just it's it's annoying that they're that they're pit they keep pitching that low price yeah when you can never actually buy case in point over ten series I just did a video earlier today whereas talking about sort of landscape of GPUs right now and what I would recommend you buy or not buy the 1070 you can finally get for less than the originally announced low end MSRP yeah like two years and four months later yeah like that because like I I'm not sure if you could ever actually buy it for three hundred and 370 this is supposed to be something like that so yeah so from now on whenever I have to list those two prices and I'm like it's five butts whatever for the founders Edition and this much less for that I'm just gonna say just assume it's gonna be the founders edition prices and more and out that it's Fe and up prices Sam rate racing titles were also promised one month after the ITX launch in September 20th which was just last week but again with that update for Microsoft there's still no actual firm launch date so we're not sure if the 17th will be early enough there will be late enough I guess for the redstone 5 update to have happened for us to be able to even give you great racing and performance benchmarks and stuff when that app the odds are slightly in our favor for it happening it's on since would be the 17th do you like just a little bit more than 50% I kind of vote for as much as that goes I was somewhat surprised that all of the features that were being pitched as far as like what the new cards can do with their new technology I was surprised that some that like none of that was ready online was testable at launched yeah me too so if there is if there is gonna be some level of redemption maybe it would be that they are actually lining up to 2070 launch date along with Microsoft to have something like that ready so that we can actually do some testing this could also sort of go back to a lot of people's claims that like the whole r-tx lunch was a little bit rushed the main feature that Jensen spent the whole hour whatever hour plus talking about wasn't even ready at launch and I don't know it's like that means on embargo lifts day we all had to post like incomplete reviews I felt like I was posting half a review because our TX was such a huge focus around this launch that I was like and stay tuned for the follow-up just because we don't know what our TX is gonna be like you know you can't ever really fully trust the demos that a manufacturer puts on display we don't know how it's gonna affect performance there are so many still still so many unknowns well by me about this my big question is for these titles that are coming up they're gonna have it that work that you can test it's gonna be like turning it on versus turning it off just visually just looking at the game like how what kind of a shift are you gonna be looking at yeah is it gonna be is it gonna be is it going to look that much better that you're like I have to spend five hundred more dollars right on on a you know I can't get away with the 1080i now I've got to spend five hundred bucks on the twenty-eighth ETI because I need to have that that what that looks like a stretcher assuming the games you play support it - yeah yeah so that's that's a big question - um I I want ray-tracing to succeed ultimately down the line but you also have to be reasonable with people when you're pitching them a product that you're expecting them to spend a significant amount of money yet let's move on there sure okay oh I forgot to do this hey oh hey it's a question a question I'll put it in YouTube in a poll here oh no I'll put an end to it so if you guys want to post some responses as this we'll come back to in just a couple minutes if you were interested in the RT x 2070 since it was the lowest price of all the RT x cards when the announcement happens where if you're excited about it back when then and that's what happened has it changed has your outlook changed now that the 20 80 and 20 TI cards have launched and you've seen some of their performance because now we can get a much better view idea of what we back to 2070 performance to be so you're in a slightly better precision position to make that assessment I would say before that though before we look at responses gigabyte has teased a r-tx 20 atti horas graphics card this is on video cards calm hey you and this is somewhat interesting because it would technically be one of the like really high end cards we had quite a few partner cards that were available at launch but the highest end of those partner cards which would be like for EVGA they're classified card for MSI they're Lightning card for Asus their matrix card 4 gigabytes their horas card are usually Oris extreme and yeah gigabyte hasn't been as consistent with their top-end card as some of the other manufacturers but I believe in the past generation or 2 horas extreme is the top is the toughest of the topic and they has gigabyte sent you an RT X card yet no talk they sent me 100 K but I don't know if it's that one I don't think it's this one so light bulb stay tuned for the after party when we unbox a gigabyte r-tx card oh ok because I have no I'm not sure if it's that one or not well sure they said anyone like yeah they're supposed to send me something to but it hasn't has not been confirmed yeah so obviously it's got lighting it's got a triple fan configuration one's pretty well it looks these images give me the impression that these are addressable LEDs that's pretty given up they're lit up individually I mean that's again at least yeah and it does look like a pretty substantial card being probably a three slot or close to three slot design the article also points out the display connectors which I guess they're only really visible in this shot down on this end it's got 7 display outs Jesus 7 display connectors it looks like three HDMI three DisplayPort and that in doing hype super 104 virtual link yeah which can be virtual link I believe it can also just act as a display for it out yeah via via USB see so that's interesting I'm imagining they're pitching that for multi-monitor and/or VR configure agents which is interesting to have that for VR when there's the virtual link there but you know this if you want to if you want to like get one of the original HTC vibes that uses all those connectors and save some money versus the newer ones yeah I guess there's still some fringe end users out there yeah so that's really all there is to it twelve plus plus two phase of erm did I say that special special custom PCB vrm design and everything the shroud the shroud is like I think that's gonna be hit or miss that's the thing I'm most concerned about because it looks like it could either be like really nice like the design is cool but if it's if it's low quality and that's where they made their margins then it could look and feel really cheap yeah cuz like is this plastic or metal exactly yeah do you care Lumina you prefer it be plastic so it doesn't cause GPU say I'd preferred be aluminium and so it'd be lighter and then not have GPU said titanium we need a titanium alloy I would hope it would be perfect vibranium bring me one of those black diamonds yeah part of the reason that you don't see the those highest end skews right at launch is because the manufacturers typically reserved GPUs that can perform very well that have very high ASIC quality so they can be overclocked from the manufacturer better and they can reliably confirm that they'll be able to stay at those higher clock speeds so bidding is part of the situation that we're waiting on for cards like this but cool gigabyte might have theirs out soon one more story here linked in the description and this is from tech power up this is a story on our TX 2828 eti PCI Express scaling and I just I just found this somewhat interesting and I wanted to point it out tech power up does this every generation where they look at plugging in your GPU two different PCI Express connection standards or different bandwidths Bend widths by 1 by 4 by 8 or by 16 sure I like this chart for example that they put in here showing the Roth theoretical maximum bandwidth and this is single direction so for pcie 3.0 you can see for example you're at 15 760 which is roughly double that of pcie 2.0 by 16 which was roughly double that a PCIe 1.1 by 16 so you can kind of see when you go back generations like half of 3 point out half of 3.0 so exciting for 3.0 16 2 by 8 will give you about the same as 2.0 by 16 and for 2.0 by 16 2 2.0 by 8 will give you about the same as 1 point 1 by 16 and also about the same as 3.0 by 4 yeah point being let's skip to the results like we all do as you can see and this articles linked in the description everyone should go read the whole thing so point being relative performance to tested nineteen twenty twenty by ten eighty 2560 by 1440 m4k and you only should really be concerned about this if you're dropping below by eight which honestly should be most of the concern for most people I don't think too many people are currently considering a PCIe gen 2 solution for there are TX 20 atti I feel like that would be pretty mismatched and maybe you should upgrade your core platform but you should know that you will be suffering from some bandwidth degradation or some degradation and performance if you do cut the bandwidth that as you can see if you go down to buy for your actually dropping off a good 9 percent in performance whereas from 3 from by 16 2 by 8 it's about 3 percent 2560 by 1440 it's about a 2 percent difference and then at 4k it's also about a two percent difference so was that about the same as that we saw with the the 10 series I think so it's more or less the same right I didn't like I think a couple other sandwich points and all of a direct comparison article to look at compared to this but in my experience in the past this is roughly what we have seen before yeah you know you know who says it really doesn't matter what slot you put your graphics card into who's who says that The Verge The Verge says that and they're how to build guide they say it doesn't matter it doesn't matter but I put it in the top slot because it looked the nicest okay I'll I'll frequently tell people you can put it in the second slot you can put it in the by 8 slot and your you'll lose a little bit of performance but I mean to percents how how important how important is that to you it was for some people that's a big deal you paid for it for other people it's 2% and I mean people go apeshit over a 3% in performance from overclocking that's true it's very true so it requires effort but that's that's why I like articles like that that go and test it so you can verify it verifiably say fair client verifiably that's an urban dictionary where I guarantee I guarantee that's already in urban dictionary yeah ok straw poll for the r-tx 2070 stuff let's see what the results are most people half half of you were just never interested heap there are 35 percent of people though that's a pretty significant chunk who say they were interested but now they're not so they were so disappointed by the launch of the 2080 and 20 atti or probably the relative price to performance I would imagine because if the 2070 is on par with a 1080 you can get a 1080 for yeah it's maybe low 400s mid to low 400s right now that's what you're paying for 2080 and you're talking 600 yeah for the for the 2070 starting yeah I keep mixing up the numbers bit and I'm sure now that the r-tx 2080 and 20 atti are out and the reviews are out and you've given the survey after launch I feel like had you given this survey before launch well it it a little difficult but I feel like a lot of people were probably interested in the 2070 but now that the reviews out they still voted no I never was like I knew I knew I knew all along I knew along people who are super interested in the new techno she liked PC gaming who when they saw the three cards at lunch for like hey those top two are probably out of my range but you know the 1070 like the 1070 has been a good bang for the buck card for quite a while because it's not grossly overpriced right so the 2070 you feel like should fall into that slot - yeah but now it's more of it's just it's it's it's it's tiered up to the point where it's it's comparing with other cards that is out of a lot of people's range I think yeah anyway yeah and especially again when the 1080s 10 70s and 1070 T is are so well priced right now by comparison have you seen smiles in Vegas have you seen some of the deals that Greg Science studio has been posting about used graphics cards it says the used market you can let's get whatever the Elliott 1074 like 220 bucks don't quote me on that but it was like really really it's like a steal a total steal Nikki posted a video on it too but I'm not sure anyway yeah you could buy used yeah used I just I did point out that you met idea tential and and my video earlier today but you know it the used market is there's always there's always that risk there's always a little bit of risk there so um you know it's just something that you have to be aware of going into it if you're gonna make that call but yeah you can get some insane some insane deals but guys that's all for my half of the show when it comes to the news segment so it is we're gonna shut this down and we're gonna switch over to Kyle's half and then a little bit we'll do an after-party are you doing with your toes trying to see if I could put my foot into the frame but I couldn't no legs t-shirt yeah if you enjoyed this video then hit the thumbs up button and thank you so much for watching and again join us for the after party if you're not already watching on twitch twitch TV / awesome hardware or click the link in the description to jump over to Kyle's half of the show yep thanks guys I'll be right back