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that's going to be the end we will also stream that to twitch and YouTube although it will be on a separate YouTube stream and imagine when it'll be on Kyle's channel this week and during that time we will read off donation comments and we also give shout outs to people who buy stuff during the show ok that's an intro right there yeah well welcome to the tech news whoo let's talk about the day so first off this has just popped up in the last day or two and it regards Intel in their 10 nanometer manufacturing process which if you guys follow tech news has taken there's been a long time coming like since like 2015 they've been talking about it saying it will come out like next year and then every year they push it back you know due to various reasons this articles from PC gamer dotnet by Paul Lilly but the original source of this is from semi accurate calm a good old good old check over there at semi accurate wrote this article up and he is well known in the industry although he's I don't know do you do you have an opinion of Chuck Charlie I guess I don't really know as charlie or his I'm not really familiar with you she was at the in the Intel event in New York did we have a conversation with him at some point no not really okay but anyway um Fury's great he does have some insider connections in the industry and so he writes articles like this which is saying that Intel is killing off its 10 nanometer manufacturing process article that's what the articles titles it says Intel just pulled the plug and they're struggling and nanometer process this is sourced from his moles within Intel itself I guess reasons stated are the increased cost of the 10 nano your manufacturing process as well as continued commercial viability of 14 nanometer products until of course being a business that makes money you know if you've got a product that you're making good money on why bother to change it swap stuff out especially it's the thing you're swapping out for is more costly and makes you less money so anyway Intel has responded so this must be included I'm not trying to say specifically the 10 nanometer is dead I don't know how to % go along with what Charlie's saying there but Intel has published a response to this and I think this is because the article took off a little bit when it comes to people discussing it online in other work otherwise Intel said though media reports published today that Intel is ending work on the 10 nanometer process are untrue we are making good progress on the nanometer yields are improving consistent with the timeline we shared during our last earnings report so for various reasons in Sellwood would do that the main one being rumors like this can affect stock prices and investors typically don't like that what they mean by consistent with the timeline at least the most recent information that Intel has come out and stated as far as their roadmap is holiday 2019 is when they plan to have 10 nanometer cannon Lake products shipping and on unmask it's at such a point what is going on here what what what that's all that's what's what's what Oh links this shouldn't be there though I don't know this is being those come Fri don't know why that's going in there was it's pushing stuff down I have no idea what was that there a second ago no what I didn't put it there is someone in here it's it's probably heavier sell or no what are you doing do it in their cells fine worry about it hey sell I thanks for being here cells are moderator he's gathering donation comments okay moving on though busted so I mean to answer the question like if if this has been reported it's dead until suss no it's not that we're still working on it is it that is it not that I you could maybe take a ins word for it dr. Ian Catrice from from a non tech yep he said he thinks the question is if Intel's current nano meter is the same 10 nano meter that they described last year mmm because you can stick a 10 nanometer label on anything and still say it's on track people have come have have critiqued the AMD seven nanometer process and said there's aspects of it that actually aren't 7 nanometre what's teeny comes to rice at the event that they yeah that's I forget what that stands for specifically but it's a it's an industry event okay but yeah so so the speculation is if there is some information that Charlie has hearing that's enough for him to write an article about this maybe they are making changes maybe they're doing things differently than where it was originally planned maybe because because when you talk to Intel their statements are always well our man you know it's not just a difference of the manufacturing process it's not just like well look at AMD they've got 12 nanometer going and they're supposed to have set at seven nanometer soon it's more like Intel says our designs are more complex right so it's harder to implement it's not just looking at the shrinking down at the manufacturing process so are they actually change are they changing stuff from what they have been trying to what they've been trying to make with Canon like are they shifting that somehow or is the product that they're now planning to launch late next year going to be different than what they were planning six months ago I feel like that that's just that's very possible when you keep pushing something back when you're pushing something back for that long I mean you said starting what 2015 a lot can happen within that three years or so and so like that their their path that they may have projected back then could be changing you know as they adjust to new new new instances in the market and the competition stuff like that so what are what would be an example of Ian's statement here if they did release if they put a 10 nanometer label on something does he mean like maybe like a 10 nanometer mobile trip worth don't necessarily like a desktop processor that we're expecting from them no I just see what he's talking about when it when it comes to the the intricacies of the chip design that they're making something that is maybe still manufactured on send animator process but maybe is a simpler design or leaves certain stuff out I mean there's no details this is it's all speculation so right it's the question is Intel says yes we're still on track 10 nanometers still fine we're gonna launch products next year like we said we're going to but yeah I mean the question is why would Charlie write this article I mean it could all be Charlie's just bullcrap you know and he's somebody or somebody tricked him and mislead him or something like that poor Charlie this is this is these are the the possibilities we have to consider it when it comes to rumors such as this but well even even if you know Charlie's you know article was semi accurate sorry I think it's still good that you know someone's holding a flame under Intel's ass trying to get them back into the business and and hold them to their word of releasing 10 enemy there sooner than later I think we've been waiting long enough part of me thinks that despite all the speculation and stuff that you know 10 and meter yields have been shit and it's been really difficult for Intel part of me thinks that this is still Intel and they know that they can still sell really good product like you said with 40 nanometer and they're still making tons of money and maybe the lack of competition from AMD in certain areas not non-mo areas is is maybe maybe 10 nanometers like a secret weapon that they're sort of sitting on for now they don't want to show all their cards too early and they're kind of just waiting for it to maximize their profits and I think I doubt that I might I might have I might have thought that a year or two ago but at this point I really don't think that's the case because they're talking about releasing late next year and B is already talking about bringing in 7 nanometre both to the CPU and GPU side like probably stuff that they're announcing it CES in January so any lead that Intel had is quickly evaporating and that's not good for them and and in the long run so yeah I mean we have to win so we have to wait and see what happens but then your manufacturing processes and everything though and just because it's a you know tighter die shrink doesn't necessarily or a note shrink doesn't mean it's gonna be a better chip well across the board you know what I mean yeah and but no yeah I think that's that's very very possible that I feel like in the last year or so Intel has been feeling the heat from AMD and if if they already had ten ten nanometer ready to go they probably would have launched it by now I think that's fair to say too because they already have launched some ten nanometer products but they've been it's been like one yeah like one notebook that like was impossible to find so yeah and I think that was just so they could meet some of their like stated goals again because they're one of those huge companies it has tons of investors and lots of lots of other stuff going on behind the scenes that you aren't always aware of when it comes to money money money my products that they launch but let's move on uh next up this is a video cards calm article also a rumor we talked a little bit about a possible polaris 30-day polaris re refresh or 2/3 which might be coming out soon potentially for the holidays I don't know it's already late October so something's coming that better come out in the next month day I would expect excuse me but this is an actual isus product so there's kind of two aspects to this story one being that Asus is bringing back the ROG Strix brand name for a Radeon rx card if this is to be true because the name of the card is Asus Radeon rx 590 ROG Strix gaming our districts are excited athe gaming AG indicating it's got eight gigabytes of memory turning at 2,000 mega Hertz which is the same speed the memory on the 580 ran at it is possible since it's running at a higher frequency the I guess did you show this I think we showed this last week this is a time spy yes yes this is a time spy report for a generic VGA card the driver name is rx 590 and this one actually has the frequencies and stuff so GPU core clock is running at fifteen forty five which is a decent step up from the basement boost clock of the standard five eighty which is twelve fifty seven and 1340 a good two hundred megahertz faster so based on that speculation is that it's my it might be twelve nanometer instead of 14 nanometer so that could potentially help squeeze a little bit of more performance or efficiency or clock speed out of Polaris since this is again the would be the third version since the players already started originally started with the 400 series and then they already refreshed at once 500 series I think anything else to add to the GPU stack at that level would be good especially if they reasonably priced and a nice sort of maybe 300 ish 350 ish dollar card that could pair up with like a nice free sync monitor I think would be a good thing to have there so you know that you get less excited about the refreshes because there's probably not gonna be huge leaps forward but um something to keep an eye out for well we'll let you guys know if you hear anything more on the RX 590 cool meantime though this week it was here yeah you need one cute it's in this thing there would you like I'll have a Newcastle good old Newcastle as rely all right next up though so the 9900 K launched last week along with the RT X 2070 9900 K though is what I'm talking about and we're gonna talk about some of the reporting that's been done on it and specifically how hot it can potentially get so first off if you want to combat the heat plate I should finish the first view before it's good just splash a little bit of little Simon thing I've got to combat the heat then deleting has been an option in the past but now we're supposed to have soldered thermal interface material or stim so so here dear Bauer Roman did a video where he deleted the 99 hundred K I believe he's done this with several of them and they're trying to get a better analysis of the actual solder that's being used or solder if you want to pronounce the L solder salt solder no I like the outside soldered I'm team Noel yeah but yeah first off the deal living tool just worked so issues with soldered CPUs in the past has been they're difficult more difficult to deal it and it can potentially damage to see if you die this doesn't seem to be the case compliance so although it is solder and it does seem to be more effective than the crappy thermal interface material they were using before it doesn't seem to be all that great you know it's kind of like mediocre solder I guess does this mean dur Bower can continue selling more of his deal inmates like a later market isn't dead yeah I mean they did the deal a dime eight that he already makes is compatible with this with these so they will still work and it seems like even though you're not gonna get as much of a temperature drop still as you did before like you could get good twenty degrees before yeah now it seems like maybe ten five to ten depending on your situation it's still but he attempted to do a few different things to make the situation better he he tried to use a better solder and I was talking about the actual materials it's used in the solder but um that actually didn't work properly so he switched over to liquid metal at using liquid metal he actually had some pretty impressive performance there's that's Posada right there that's not liquid metal right yeah that is a solder and then there's there's this I haven't watched this one yet these parts where he scrapes the solder off with like a razor which is ballsy it yeah I mean honestly I is that I mean how Baldy is that like I don't know he's the other solder that he used it didn't really work properly who this is else infected yeah like scraping oh my god that's that's the heat spreader so that's not to die but that's the reason he's using I was also couldn't tell what that was a little bit scary there but anyway here's so here's the deal it'd here's a successful deal it when he went from stock and this is ninety nine hundred K at four point eight gigahertz at one point two five volts crime ninety five ten minute test sock was ninety three degrees I'm just pretty warm delighted 84 degrees so that's uh this is also the average temperature not peak he said it was hitting peak so mmm never pretty high up there so yeah that's a that's a nine degree drop in average temperature which is not bad but then the other thing you noticed was looking at the PCB itself it's actually thicker so the night Hannah and her Kay uses a thicker PCB kind of like I believe I don't think I have to go back to the original skylake was a had a thicker PCB so that was kind of interesting but then he also measured it and found that the the dye itself is also stickers Wow 27 millimeters more than double under 9900 K and then he does this crazy thing where I which I would not have even thought to do it myself cuz dies to me I've always been like like just you don't touch that very delicate and yeah I'm crack it or whatever like right you're gonna have a hard time but the but the functional stuff is actually on the bottom it's towards the PCB side of it so this is real and that top part of the dice just for connecting not part of the die is just like that's what they build the that's what they build the transistors on - mm-hmm so he went and and started to to lap the die he used well I've never even yeah la nube I've never even heard of that well laughing ding lapping is a method you might do to the heat spreader to make the heat spreader that lowered no not lower but the smoothest possible surface okay so there's a few pockets in whatever is possible but no he's lapping the dye itself like shaving it down yeah shaving the top it's shaving the dye down that's that's pretty bad um he was he using I had it written down here a second ago that that doesn't affect the IHS his ability to like make contact with it if I don't well do you know what I mean he's he's also scraping like all they all de paste off of that so I'm here to here's his results though sure so stock and this is also a different test he's actually got at overclocked to five gigahertz here at one point three five volts stock listening 96.5 see deleted with the conductor not liquid metals eighty eight point five and then he starts to get gets he basically drops five degrees Celsius from there by lapping the die down by by 0.2 millimeters which is and that's simply because the IHS has now closer to the actual it's because it's because the efficiency of the top part of the die is not as good as right as metal up against it right so by shaving that down and getting the heat spreader closer to the functional parts all the transistors and everything that are generating the heat right is just allowing to more efficiently transfer the heat gotcha from the CPU off that's what I figured I was just double-checking there was nothing else going on so he was using 40 micrometer micro diamond polishing film there to grind down the CPU die height and he said theoretically you could lap it down another point two millimeters so you can go point four millimeters total and that would make it the same height as an 87 RDK although it's my knowledge he has not updated this at this point I don't know if he's planning and actually doing that but I'm curious because as we will continue to discuss right now are you going oh all right I'm just checking his videos to see if he's supposed to know debar have posted an updated in four days so we'll wait and see if anyone follows it up what the 9900 kay very hot did you notice it gets very hot can um I did not because the only testing I've done with it so far is with a custom loop okay I had me really put an ek pharmacy Evo block on it with 240 rad like a sixty millimeter thick one and that's that's pretty much all I've done so I my temps overclocked to five gigahertz I think it was at one point three five was like it was operating like 54 C so I was like it's not bad I haven't tested it with any sort of you know aftermarket cooler that's not a custom loop so I can't really speak to my own experience but what did you what did you find on your end honestly my temperature data it was not reliable and so I did not include it in my video I'm actually somewhat glad about because there were varying reports about the temperatures that these are running it yeah this video from hardware and bucks hardware box from our our friend Steve Stevie from from Australia FIBO goes into this because specifically is talking about lioness but also tiny Tom Logan from OSI 3d reported thermals that were very reasonable tiny Tom Logan here his 9900 K just default only hit 65 degrees Celsius yeah oh he did an under hold on it that didn't seem to change that overclocked he only hit 79 degrees Celsius but a lot of reviewers were hitting like 90s and even hitting a hundred and and potentially throttling or seeing reduced performance depending on your situation so hmm Steve attempted to investigate this to figure out what the heck was going on the did right yes he did here here's for instance Linus's results where you will know that a ninety nine hundred k with two more cores what's cooler cooler 8700 days what was he cooling like hey I wonder if they were using the same coolers if they had ambience all in order - might have that in his video but um interesting yeah whereas a hardware unboxed gamers Nexus quite a few other people start very high temperatures I did not report on temperatures in my video why were using consistent mine were inconsistent for multiple reasons mainly I was short on time and I had actually so we had two major launches last week and I had actually had some some like real life stuff going on too that I couldn't miss yeah and it was just a very very crazy hectic week so yeah I started to compile my temperature numbers it didn't look right to me and I was like you I'm just not gonna talk that's a whole video that's like a whole video that's pretty much what happened for me so point being though Steve thinks it's because of the power delivery situation on the motherboard and this is a question that people thought of when Intel's first said we have a Z 390 board it's compatible with the new 8 cores and we also have backwards compatible with diseased backwards compatibility with a Z through 70 boards a lot of people were like well it's a power deliver gonna be enough to support write any core processor Linus used the same motherboard that I used which is the asus rog Strix I'm sorry the asus rog Maximus 11 hero ok because I don't know if you got the I did Z 390 yeah you did for me open it last week didn't ya yeah two weeks ago two weeks ago - yeah there's a 390 care package from Asus the Nexus they're the highest end motherboard that was in there was the hero yeah however the hero upon closer inspection doesn't appear to have quite the crazy nice power delivery configuration on it that you might expect granted it's the hero and it's supposed to be it's not the highest end when it comes to the asus rog stuff but it's got a four phase power delivery system which has a which uses a doubler their their fat faces from what Steve said I haven't looked at it specifically so I don't know the actual amperage rating or anything like that but point being it's a power delivery system that maybe isn't quite as crazy good as what Steve was using which was like the highest end as rock the which was the as Mark one was that as a 390 or z3 so yeah they're all singing 390 ok Steve used the as rack Taichi ultimate and the MSI z3 a 90 gut like the see-through nightie god-like is like a $600 motherboard so let's have crazy over builds power delivery configure it it's crazy there could be so much variance between even Z 390 betw Z 390 motherboards based on the power delivery yes sild but there's potentially more to this because you have to look at the 9900 K which has a TDP according to Intel of 95 watts but another thing that Intel has been doing recently is that they're a lot more cagey about the specifics when it comes to the turbo-boost tables like what the clock what the different clock speeds are they will not give you an official listing of like all right when six cores are active it's gonna run at this frequency when four cores are active it's gonna run at this frequency they give you a base clock which is what 3.6 gigahertz for the 9900 K they'll tell you a max single turbo of 5 gigahertz because they had to be able to sell it that way they don't everything in between is kind of muddy and going along with this 95 watt TDP thing when you look at the power draw rating and this is just direct power draw which is different than TDP TDP is how much heat a cooler needs to be able to absorb and dissipate but Brian from tech yes City who also did a follow up video on this where he took the same configuration that Linus used and did a bit of his own testing here and both Lee is looking for the video's description he attempted to sort of recreates the situation that - had he was not able to use their exact same hardware and their exact same settings and get their exact same results but according to gamers Nexus who also has the ASUS Maximus 6 hero they said that it uses Intel's spec for boosting and power behavior unlike some other boards so there's a couple ways to look at this one way is to say that the hero the Maximus 11 hero is doing things right it is taming the 9900 K in order to get the temperatures that you're seeing from Linus's review and from tiny Tom Logan's review and that's why they're like oh this is you know it's a it's a cool running chip or whatever but when you actually test it it's not running at high frequencies right and Steve's tests it when he cuz Steve didn't have Steve from Hardware box he didn't have the same motherboard to test but he tested on a Z 370 motherboard that had also had a four phase power deliver configuration so similar setup and basically he was went for money at 4.7 gigahertz - 4.2 gigahertz which is still not 3.6 gigahertz it's little boost clock right but it's a different one and the score his his cinematic score drop by like 300 points but and his power draw also dropped pretty significant right so you could look at it like well Intel specifications allows for a chip that has eight cores and in certain situations can run at high frequencies and overall if you run it at those recommended specs doesn't get hot and and you know good chip or whatever but if you want to take it and do what we want to do with it and run an all core 4.6 or 4.7 gigahertz overclock which isn't absurd by any stretch right or go up higher than that you really can't unless you apparently have a handsy 390 board interesting and as well as of course as well as very adequate cooling and hopefully not also dealing with with okay with liquid metal and lapping your seat where you die because none of us really want to go that far this all seems like a consequence of Intel not having a defined line of where their their their spec should I think it's all core all quarter I think it has to do with Intel wanting to say here's our new chip and it still got that same TDP but they're cagey with everything in between so that if they were really pressed to it they could say yes it still operates within that it has the intelligence built-in to throttle itself or run at these frequencies so that it's never gonna output that much heat right or or draw that much power so they're prioritizing their TDP and their power consumption or power draw as opposed to the frequency the frequency is kind of left up in that case to the to the motherboard manufacturer to live read it and and it also ties into their backwards compatibility with like C 370 boards which a lot of people were like well do they have the power delivery well yes they do if running the clock running the 9900 okay within that specification where you know not the same amount of performance yeah three hundred point drop is a fifteen that's a fifteen percent less performance rank when it comes to the Cinebench scores it was it went from around 2000 to about 1700 that's fifteen percent less yeah which is significant for someone who wants to use it for in a workstation for workstation tasks or something which is kind of what it's supposed it's gonna make a lot more people look way more closely at the motherboards vrn design as opposed just like RGB Diane nice I imagine there's gonna be further hopefully further testing done by people with the different motherboards to say like right which of these which boards will give you the full fat experience 9900 Kay experience if that's the chip that you want to buy right or just avoid all this stuff and get a 2700 hex and be just fine and spend a lot less money I mean there's gotta be a fun way for motherboard manufacturers to differentiate what kind of experience their users are getting yeah this is the the spec boring and cool this is like the crazy and hot crazy and hot board boring him cool yeah I don't know I mean MSI just changed up their naming scheme for them other boards a Meg and then there's oh yeah the MVC which should be the msi boring and cool right and then the anyway though hey movie yeah there's a comedy sketch in there somewhere speaking of that gamers Nexus Nexus this is actually there multiple news story but I'm only picking up a couple from these memory prices are expected to fall even further this is a story which is based on an article from trend force comm and I brought it up because it's kind of good news is it I don't know what trend force won't load there it is there's the trend force article force it to load gamers Nexus says trend force is typically accurate that's a quote directly from Steve but Dean Graham prices could lower as much as 20% year-over-year in 2019 this is due to weak prices and it grow over supply this is caused by slow smartphone shipments sluggish notebook shipments and I thought I wanted to come up with more adjectives to go with with technology that wasn't selling well so I also said plotting peripheral purchases or dawdling DIMM deals pv pv pv pv p triple i like traveling didn't deals i think that's the main results that's the main thing causing this lowering and price notebook sales specifically were caused by the lack of intel's 14 nanometer cpus which have not been very readily available in the second half of this year so you know if there's no CPUs to build the laptops then they don't need the memory for those laptops nand is also listed here along with memory to fall by even more 25 to 30 percent price decline in 2019 again mostly from increase i'm sorry this time mostly from increased production capacity from manufacturers so tell us apply your name manufacturers that is also really good news nand is also like right now SSD prices are really good which is cool it's like it's a nice sort of counter ram prices if those continued to drop like that'll put us in a better situation so that's that's that's good news that is awesome you know happy about that hopefully then another 25 to 30 percent drop in and prices those i like would you be able to get like a 2 terabyte nvm you drive for like less than 200 bucks that be I mean eventually I mean one day one someday well one day it'll be cheap outdated to be some way faster but I also wonder if these price reductions with the RAM will just be you know canceled out eventually at least in the u.s. because of all the tariffs cuz like what 29 25 to 30 percent that's right exactly what what memories are going to be taxed in the u.s. starting January 1st although and I'm this isn't one of my stories I'm talking about but there was an interview actually I think this is also from wait maybe it's maybe I can because it's also and the gamers Nexus set of news things yeah MSI yeah a Chinese publication PC online interviewed MSI and basically MSI said they don't expect the tariffs to affect GPU prices this is at least specifically for MSI I believe and that's simply because they're not manufactured in mainland China I don't know if that means that most they're mostly manufactured in Taiwan or something else like that mm-hmm but that's good news - that is so if lowering prices GPU price is not being affected stuff to wait and see unlike CPUs and stuff that's great but yeah maybe we'll see some some bit of offsetting so that that doesn't hurt us too bad moving on though remember on this one is also referenced from that same gamers Nexus article but Silicon lottery has a bidding statistics page that they've put up also it has a typo on it so come lottery if anyone's watching stats sticks okay so are you familiar familiar with silicon lottery hell yes I am wait the website were the well they they're they're they're a store so you can go and buy processors from Silicon Lottery okay I was not familiar with that alright and they buy processors in bulk they often delayed them but not always depending on the CPU okay and then they bend them and so and then they sell them as guaranteed overclockers sure they have published their historical binning statistics for a bunch of different CPUs that's really so this is like 4790k here different frequencies 4.6 4.7 4.8 i have heard of these guys long time ago yeah and these are the voltages that they were running at and how many of the CPUs that they tested were able to achieve race Frieza was percentile they're only 3% of 4790k s and clock hits at a 5 gigahertz so just kind of a cool resource Wow if you have a processor that you've never bothered to overclock and you were like what might it be capable of then you can check out this list you got skylake on here including 6700 k only 6% of 6700 k's hit 4.9 gig it's also got your Broadwell ease 4kb lakes only 1% of 7,700 cases Wow 5.3 gigahertz 12% though could hit 5.2 that's nuts it's not bad at all seventh wonder however and do we know how large these sample sizes are I'd be real I don't think they say specific numbers but at the bottom they do mention that sample size for some CPUs is too low so they're not included sure so I don't know exactly what their sample size is but it's got to be enough that they're able to break down these numbers with some level of reliability yeah but so like AMD as well for summit ridge these are less exciting because some ridge tops I doesn't work like that I thought this is kind of interesting 4.1 gigahertz but 18% of 1800 X's could hit 4.1 gigahertz 1,700 X 33% could hit 4 and apparently none of them could reliably hit Wow 4.1 this kind of tells me a little bit about AMD's bidding process and they're definitely doing something with these because if none of your 1,700 X's could hit 4.1 1800 X's than that then they're 1800 X is that kind of tells you like alright if you're debating between like a 2700 X and it's 2700 you know you might consider like you're probably going to get in another hundred megahertz yeah out of out of paying more for the X version right ever 24% but I mean but if you but if all you're looking to hit is 4 gigahertz in that 4.1 then a good chunk of them can hit it only 4% 33% 1700 and 1700 X yeah it's a great website even if you're not gonna buy a chip even if you're gonna buy a chip elsewhere you know just to compare like what what your odds are 8700 k's 4% hit 5 point 3 gigahertz nice hot damn on where is my wait I wanted to look at my 79 80 X but I'm just making noises so look look how look how special J's at 79 80 XE is only 2% of those 79 80 X's hit 4.6 gigahertz right and his hitting was like five five point one or five I don't know whatever and he wasn't even delivered yeah yeah these are insulated I still don't know if he's either correct the only ones that are deleted chips are KB Lake sky lake X and coffee lake Oh interesting so yes that would be deleted 79 80 XE I think Dex damn he had a gold sample he had a golden sample then yes indeed Jay is the 2% all right we're skipping our sponsor spot for this week because I'm I screwed up the schedule fine tho so we're gonna move right on to our next segment no ads boobs is not on the phone with Steve I just I just want to pull that briefly gotcha and report news Burt where'd they go games and stuff oh it starts with T cuz it's the games you're for you there it is okay so yeah gotta have our appropriate lower thirds all right so let's talk about forty minutes in by the way we are I believe dammit alright I can run through these quickly okay these aren't important anyway GTA 5 as an online hack that let trolls kill gamers in single-player mode was this interesting because GTA 5 is a somewhat popular game somewheres a little bit of a screencap from Snowy live who was a twitch streamer his a cheater interrupted his stream by kicking him out of his session but claimed to be a rock star administrator so snowy live switched to single-player mode to avoid this person still kind of kills but then started dropping dead the instant the game started the troll sent him an in-game chat message which should be impossible since he wasn't even in multiplayer mode hmm it said saying you're not safe in single-player later the Mater wiped out the bank accounts for snowy lives single-player campaign safe that sucks Oh in-game bank accounts correct yeah his single-player game called it at least it wasn't his real life be alright well geez that's no one is safe yeah this was made possible by GTA 5's game update 1.45 which was general fixes for stability and security but this unintentionally allowed cheers to harass other people in even in single-player mode this hack has been patched it only took them about 48 hours but it was enough time for at least somebody to go and troll some live streamers the really annoying thing about this is when they're doing whatever they're doing with the admin mode or however they've hacked in is if you if you immediately die when you try to enter the game you can't bring up the menu while you're when you're dead in GTA 5 so you can't like bring up the menu to do anything to report the person all you can do is alt f4 to exit the game which is annoying I was lame anslee glad they patched it I'm glad that never happened to any of us will your benchmarking usually it means you can't die I guess but while you're benchmarking but hackers can get away with pretty much anything these days so yeah that would actually really suck to try to grad I guess I'm that benchmark in this game done so I didn't mean to give all of you ideas at a sabotage our benchmarks right here is an article from tech spots shadow of the Tomb Raider has been out for a little over a month five weeks altar but Steam went and put it on sales I just bought it on sale you know you just bought it on yeah I got so confused why didn't you get it when it first came out because the Cydia sent out game codes to people oh did they I'm pretty sure I I have it I think they still sometimes send certain emails to my old email address I don't check it's a thing but yeah I was like Emma is this the right is this the most recent tomb raider cuz it's only 39 bucks I was like what's going on here and it's like oh it's on sale yeah yeah I I felt good I felt good 34 percent off what way to go Kyle having the forethought to wait for that deal to come out totally they're good 959 down from 60 bucks the original MSRP which pissed off a bunch of people who bought it in the first five weeks cuz it's the triple a title and you know it's got backing from major hardware manufacturers and stuff like that so people who spent 60 bucks went and review bombed it on Steam too because they're pissed off that it went on sale or dumb so quickly yes check reviews are mostly positive it's got about a it's got about eighty eighty score generally speaking where there are those reviews these positive just kind of negative reviews oh here we go I gotta tell my birthday I did get a code for share of the Tomb Raider oh my god I can give it to ye sausage yeah anyone want a code no I'm not gonna give it to you so here's the shadow of the Tomb Raider page all reviews are mixed which thing we're overwhelmingly they were really positive sixty-six percent now steam in order to combat this specific review bombing scenario cause it's not it's if that affects steam sales to yeah so it looks like a bunch of the negative ones Wow popped up here is this when the sale went up probably started but I guess this is what the sales up a week so yeah that's actually the sale ended yesterday so for anyone who was like oh I should go but and then there's got good you can see all these crappy reviews you oh my god but then you can also see more positive reviews from maybe more people buying it and actually playing it during that time so anyway huh if you if you want to play shadow of the Tomb Raider I'm gonna give it a bad review right now yeah you sure this game forty bucks 20 bucks sorry head code and now way better yeah because of that all right one more story here for the games report DL SS the actually if you think ray tracing is gonna be garbage then the LSS is your next best bet for being excited about something that the RT x series of graphics cards can do and DL SS settings or options have appeared within player unknowns battlegrounds game files it's not there directly it's not available in game but some people have gone and edited the game files to actually get it up and running but some early testers who have posted about trying this out on the Nvidia subreddit have perience game crashes after short gameplay runs or some other people just say it doesn't even work at all but yeah if you're not familiar with what DL SS is it uses the temps of course any r-tx graphics card which is its got artificial intelligence so it looks what's on screen and like it scales it up just to give you more detail but then it uses artificial intelligence to to just know what to be there and to put it there for you to fancy yeah okay I I mean realistically speaking the AI looks at stuff and like it sees what's happened before so I can it can predict what pixels should be where make sense it seems like same thing and fully it seems like something that if it works the way it's intended to work could provide a pretty big bump in detail or potentially a bump in frame rate depending on how you implemented it so yeah if Nvidia got it up and running it could be a pretty nice boost for public perception of the twenty series graphics cards since launch of those has been mixed when it comes to reaction but yeah wait I wrote I wrote out what what what DL SS is it uses the tensor cores an RT X series GPUs to upscale images with an AI based algorithm potentially offering better image quality with minimal performance hit and making high frame rate gameplay at high resolutions more achievable sort of it is very it's sort of a paraphrase of what the article says but anyway there are a bunch of games that have are expected to integrate DL SS support in the future at some points who knows when Ark survival evolved atomic arts they're all listed here you guys can read serious same for planet badass series Sam oh come on what's that coming up anyway probably never but that's pretty much all I got from my half of the show so thank you guys so much for watching hit the thumbs up button if you enjoyed it again if you made a donation comment or if you bought anything hang out or jump to the after-party if you're watching 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