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Best CPU + GPU for 4K Family Room PC? - Probing Paul #16

2017-06-21
what's up guys welcome back to Pauls hardware this is probing Paul episode number 16 this is my monthly Q&A series that I do every month that's what makes it monthly and if you're interested in going back into the history there's a playlist for you where you can go back and look at the previous episodes all the questions from today are taken from the comments section from last week's video so let's dive right into it first question here from Stephen Bach hey Paul what would be the best CPU and graphics card set up for a family room 65 inch 4k TV build I feel like there's been more interest in like the family room setup the gaming setup for 4k TV since those are becoming a lot more affordable so it might surprise you given a lot of the negative response to the recent launch of Intel's X 299 platform but your answer is going to be this CPU right here which is the 77 40 X as well as an X 299 motherboard you know something something like one of these and overclock to 77 40 X as much as you can you'll probably be able to get five to five point one gigahertz out of it if you're going with the decent air cooling setup maybe even a little bit more if you go with an all-in-one however I like to stay away from those for the living room setups just because they can make a little bit more noise depending on the pump and everything like that pair this with a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti of any variety from any of the Nvidia sand board partners and that will give you the best CPU and graphics combination because right now clock speed is still king when it comes to graphics performance and the 7700 K or the 77 40 X is basically the best chip for pure gaming out there right now now all that said you're going to pay an extra 100 bucks or so premium for the motherboard with an X 299 configuration so strongly can consider just going with a 7700 K you won't be able to overclock it quite as much but you'll invest a lot less in the platform of course you got options beyond that - you can look at Rison and that kind of thing but you are going to see a little bit of trailing off in the actual gaming performance especially if you're pairing it with a high-end graphics card like a 1080i but for 4k you should by and large be just fine so I'd say consider those options but you asked for what's best and best right now is still going to be the options until sigh thank you for that question though Stephen let's move on to question 2 from Cody Espinoza hey Paul I'm looking to upgrade my 1080p 60 Hertz monitor had my eye on Asus PG 2 7 9 q because I hear that high refresh rate is one of those things you just don't come back from I would agree with that Cody my question is should I go for this or wait Argo for 4k or ultra-wide for that matter I have a GTX 970 but I'm looking to upgrade in the next few months Cody I hope when you do upgrade the prices have dropped at least a little bit for the GPUs because right now there are really overpriced more on that and it's another question that I'll be answering because I use monitor though the RG Swift PD 2 7 9 q it is an absolutely gorgeous monitor g-sync high refresh rate IPS panel so it's got really good color reproduction 2560 by 1440 I think this is a great option for you if you're looking to spend around 7 to $800 on a monitor there's a few reasons for that one it's got that kind of trifecta stuff that you want for gaming high refresh rates IPS is great for color depth and then of course g-sync some variable refresh rate technology whether it's do you think with the Nvidia graphics card whether it's free sync with an AMD graphics card you're going to want that for gaming if you're moving up to the next level beyond 1080 60 another reason this is a good choice for you is you won't need quite as much graphics horsepower to push 2560 by 1440 versus 4k in fact quite a bit less for 4k you really need to be investing in the highest end graphics cards right now I'd say upgrading to a GTX 1074 you would be a perfect choice going from your 970 with the monitor like this and then of course the other thing to consider is going to be ultra wide if you want g-sync with a 34 40 by 1440 ultra wide though there's quite a big price hike from there you're probably have to pay over a thousand bucks for that so all these things considered Kodi I think this monitor is actually a great choice for you and I hope if you if and when you actually get it you enjoy it a lot because I certainly think you will next up is mallanna mr. Ginetta Jena bitch Millan murder Jenna bitch sorry if I'm mispronouncing that hey Palma digital artists working mainly in programs like Photoshop I also do some 3d modeling and I'm thinking about getting a new PC in the near future would you suggest risin 1700 X or an Intel 7700 K for such a build so where as of the first question I wholeheartedly endorse Intel's skylake or KB Lake architecture for your choice you definitely want to go with that risin 1700 X anytime you're dealing with heavily multi-threaded applications especially ones that can take advantage of threads beyond two or four cores which games have a harder time dealing with but enterprise or digital artistry software tends to do a much better job at especially rendering 3d models you will definitely appreciate the additional cores and threads you get with the 1700 X compared to the 7700 K Klaus Mathews asks my parents will be in need of an upgrade from our old VHS player to something that plays DVDs in a very tight form factor should I get them a console or should I attempt to make them a cheap htpc in the same range this is an interesting question not at least because of the fact that your parents are already using a VHS player but if you want to get them into the next generation I would consider if you're going to go potentially 4k in the future something like Xbox 1s that has a 4k blu-ray player and that will allow you to get all the way up from VHS resolution to 4k which would be a crazy jump if you don't have a 4k television and you're just doing 1080 you're probably going to be fine with DVDs and blu-rays in which case I don't think an HTTP C would be quite as practical in the circumstances they're a little bit more complicated I've got a with a dedicated blu-ray player which you can purchase and they're typically very small and they're also a lot easier for parents who just are used to using a remote control can work with or if you do want to go with the computer route maybe consider even something like an old laptop with the has an HDMI out that has an optical drive in it might be a simple and quiet and low-profile solution for you to get your parents up and running but I hope you can soon I sure hope that they appreciate the increased resolution jumping up from VHS James would ask the question that actually got a couple really good responses and actually quite a few of my questions that people ask on this video get really good responses so I wanted to give a shout out to any of you guys who are controlling the arrant not trolling but just perusing the comments and actually giving good answers but anyway James questions James Woods question was hey Paul I built species past you with Samsung 850 Evo 250 gig I've been using it's a lot more than I originally thought so I'm worried about NAND endurance and that maybe the SSD won't hold up as long as planned is there a way to monitor the remaining endurance on the SSD and just to show you guys this is the Samsung 850 Evo right here 250 gig version only cost about 100 bucks right now really good drive very solid it uses 3d NAND and answers to the question first from John Totten thanks John for Shimon and download the Samsung magician software definitely you want to get that to go along with the 850 Evo you can set it up to use rapid mode which does some caching on your memory which makes the drive even faster and it will give you performance and reliability statistics it also show you how much you've written to the drive overall and you probably find that you're way way way under what it actually is John Doe points out here it's got a five-year seventy five terabytes written warranty so if you take 75 terabytes a thousand gigs per terabyte that's 75 thousand terabytes if you divide that by the number of days in five years it ends up being about 40 or 41 gigabytes written per day which is possible I mean if you're copying a lot of video footage or something like that I regularly shoot a video and then have you know 40 to 60 gigs that I might drop onto something but I don't do that every day is a pretty slim chance that you do to so download that software get some actual stats on the drive and also bear in mind that even if the man does wear out if it gets past the point where it can't be program erased anymore it will go to what is known as steady state it can still be read so you can still copy the data off of it you just can't write to it anymore in my experience though when it comes to SSDs dying it's not the Nan's that wears out it's the controller but I believe with your controller and the 850 Evo that's not much of an issue next question from mui copyright here's a question for you - gee 4560 with a z 270 motherboard now and next year getting on unlocked i7 or now just get the g 4560 with a regular motherboard and by regular I assume you mean non overclockable so one of the budget chipsets like a be 150 or B be 250 he also says he doesn't care about AMD so I'm going to skip over any rise and recommendations that I might have given here's a G 45 60 it's popular because it's KB leak architecture it's low price although right now seems kind of overpriced you should be able to find this for 70 bucks this this is expensive on Amazon right now so maybe maybe search around and find a better price for it but it's dual-core with hyper-threading and it's a great entry-level chip but again you're not going to be able to overclock on a mother on an inexpensive motherboard you can't overclock that Pentium chip anyway but I would say take a look at z170 motherboards that are out there in the market and definitely I would say probably go for the upgrade path now if you get a z170 motherboard it might not out of the box be compatible with that processor so maybe consider something like an Asus board that has USB BIOS flashback or gigabyte with their I forget what they call it but it's basically the same thing as USB bus flashback that will allow you to update your BIOS without needing a processor or memory installed other than that you might be able to find a z170 board that says it's updated for KB Lake and it should be compatible out of the box but you can find those really cheap I mean they're z170 boards I mean a lot of these are open box on Newegg but down in the 70 80 $90 price range I might consider going more towards the say 100 ish 120 dollar price look for low-end Z 270 boards I look for a good deal on a last gen Z 170 board and with a Z 170 board even if you get like a 7700 K or 7600 K in the future as long as the BIOS is updated so the KB Lake is support is there you will be able to overclock with z170 or Z 270 so I think that would be a good option for you and it would allow you to get a lot more life out of that system also if you install windows on the system with the motherboard you're going to go through much more painful upgrade process swapping the motherboard out and you have to redo windows and all that and you might lose your license too so that's also something to consider a couple more questions left this one's from Tortuga Paul I got swept away in the rising Radeon rx prices due to mining cryptocurrency mining at theory and that mostly is what's going on right now that's causing all of the a a radeon gpus to be sold out and/or extremely overpriced he says I sold my rx 474 a cool 350 bucks on eBay went to go buy a GTX 1070 it's on the 10 70's and the high $400 range or even $500 plus is it worth paying 500 bucks for an aging 1070 or wait for Vega now waiting right now is is going to be a challenge because there's no telling how long this current bubble with the prices of certain crypto currencies like aetherium is going to last and how long it's going to be a viable choice to use gaming GPUs - - now you're in a situation where if you had sold your first 70 and immediately bought the 1070 you probably would have been okay but now that all the Radeon cards are sold out people are starting to use Nvidia cards - might as well they're not quite as efficient at it but they still can get the job done now we talked about this a little bit on the live show yesterday and actually got some feedback from people that the higher-end GPUs and a video stack that used gddr5 X instead of gddr5 don't perform quite as well that means that the GTX 1080 prices have yet to go up so if you're looking at a gtx 1070 close to $500 just get a gtx 1080 you're going to get better performance and you're not going to pay the ridiculously inflated price that the ten 70s are going for right now that said if you can't afford the 1080 then it's probably just going to be a wait-and-see game right now you did get a nice return on your first 70 but the flipside to that is all the prices are still high and there's really no telling at this point when they're going to come back down so and which had a better answer for you than that but if you're really considering going up towards 500 bucks maybe just grab a 1080 I think that'd be a good choice for you final question here from gigs alts boat gigs Ultimo ten simple question from simple man spaghetti or macaroni I pulled this up because I thought it was going to be an easy answer and then I thought about it I was like well you know when it comes to straight pasta if I'm going to have you know some marinara and some meat sauce or meatballs or something like that I'm a purist I like the spaghetti I think it's a it's just it's what I grew up with you know Mom spaghetti right however I will say that when cheese is brought into the equation macaroni and cheese like oh my god I don't allow myself to eat it because it's so good and I ate too much of it but I guess I'm giving two answers but those are my answers usually spaghetti macaroni when cheese comes into play anyway guys that's all for this episode of probing Paul I really hope that have enjoyed it of course leave me some questions for next month if you want down in the comment section down below and again thanks to all the people who have been down there answering people's questions since it does take me about a month to get back to them every time I do this I do have one last plug since I keep forgetting to publish this but this is my p.o box pulsar for a PA box for three to five if you guys want to send me something we typically do mail time every few weeks on the live show so send me some stuff and I'm going to try to publish this a few more places because I keep it kind of hidden right now I'm going to start putting it in my description so people actually know what where it is and Oh guys thanks again for watching this video we'll see you next time
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