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the core p9 DTG from Thermaltake features a unique prism shaped open-air design so you can ogle your parts from any angle the five millimeter tempered glass keeps things classy and the three chamber design supports a full complement of hardware even if your custom water cooling for more on the core p9 DTG click the sponsor link in the description hey guys how's it going - welcome to Pauls hardware today I'm gonna be testing this gaming computer right here and this computer's actually been on quite a long journey I originally built this system at the beginning of 2018 as a solution for people who wanted to build a gaming PC who didn't necessarily have the money to spend on an overpriced graphics card at the time now graphics carts are still pretty overpriced but they are coming down in price so we do have more options available now than we did back then but about a month or month and a half ago I updated this computer I switched it from horizon 2200 G APU which is a quad-core 4 thread processor that has graphics built in up to a risin 2600 X which is a 6 core 12 thread processor cost a bit more money but there's a lot more CPU horsepower available there now since the upgraded CPU does not have a graphics card we also had to add a GPU so for that purpose I have a geforce gtx 1050 TI installed here with a four gig frame buffer 4 gigs of VRAM so the goals for today are pretty straightforward I want to show you how much more performance you get out of this system now in its upgraded form which will cost you about 900 dollars if you were to build it as is I also want to show you what kind of difference you get in gaming going from that older system to the newer system and then finally I actually use this system to game and stream at the same time all run on the same system a couple days ago so if you want to watch that entire live stream it's a little over an hour and I'll link that down in the video's description but I'm also going to show you the performance comparison going from gaming on the old system gaming on the new system and gaming and streaming on the new system here's a quick rundown of the parts on PC part picker at the top you can see the 2600 X which will cost you about 210 dollars right now I like the X over the 2600 simply because you get a better cooler the race spire vs. the race stealth of course if you can find a really good deal on like our rise in first gen 1700 or 1700 X an eight-core 16 thread processor definitely give that a consideration to here but for my purposes 600x work just fine and since i'm not manually overclocking the out-of-the-box frequencies of the cpu are a bit higher than you get with the 2600 or the 1700 the motherboard is the same that gigabyte a be 350 end gaming wife I saw a little mini ITX motherboard for about 110 dollars and actually pretty decent power delivery - if you do want to get into overclocking that is optional with the be 350 chipset for our memory we got a g.skill Trident z RGB kit ddr4 3200 double check whatever memory you do choose and make sure it's compatible with your motherboard check the motherboards qvl list and I do go over that in the upgrade video if you want to check that out for our purposes this is running at ddr4 3200 speed and the kid I'm actually running is Casa latency 14 so it's a bit tighter timings and the kit I have linked in the description but it is $50 more expensive to so go with what works and a little bit looser timings aren't going to hurt your performance very much we have a 240 gig SSD for about $70 this is a SanDisk SSD plus there's other SSDs in this range that you can find but also give some consideration to additional storage for my purposes today I have a SSD that's also plugged in via USB 3.0 providing me some additional storage for the games I have loaded up but if you do have an old mechanical hard drive consider recycling that into the system to give yourself maybe an extra 1 or 2 terabytes of storage for those bulky video games if you don't have that you might consider adding another 48 dollars to the price of this computer in order to buy a one or two terabyte mechanical hard drive in order to add that the video card is the gtx 1050 Ti and this is probably the weak link in this computer a 1050 Ti is a perfectly adequate GPU for gaming at 1080p this is costing about a hundred and ninety dollars right now which is still a little bit overpriced but not crazy overpriced if you can increase your budget to about $1,100 you can spend about $400 on the graphics card and leave everything else pretty much the same and that'll allow you to get a gtx 1070 and there are GTX 1070 s for sale you do have to hunt a little bit to find them but at least in the past week best buy his head founders Edition GTX 1070 s for actual $400 price just have to find the store where they're in stock finally case and power supply the case is only about 45 or 50 dollars the core v1 from thermal take solid little case Mini ITX gets the job done and then power supply I have listed here as the corsair CX 550 watt which is an 80 + broadens power supply perfectly adequate for 50 bucks to get the job done just to point out I am actually using a cooler master v6 50 in this actual build and I have that link in the description too but about 50 bucks is what you should be spending on the power supply for this system so if you're just looking at the parts from the core system about 900 dollars is what you would spend or 1,100 if you're looking at that GPU upgrade to the gtx 1070 i do want to point out though that if you are about to embark on a professional video gaming and streaming career that you will need a little bit more besides just this system you'll probably need Windows 10 and I have a video on getting Windows 10 for cheap about $30.00 so check that video too if you're interested and then you're gonna need some peripherals some accessories you also need an internet connection but I'm assuming you already have that since you're watching this video right now accessories so mouse and keyboard you can get mouse and keyboard combo for 25 or 30 dollars this particular mouse I've been using and this is the master keys light L I've just been enjoying this mouse cuz it's very small and very cheap and actually that's pretty good tracking so there you go a link that in the description I was using a headset with a built-in microphone this is kind of a get you started setup for audio because you need to hear and may not want speakers there are other mic options of course USB Attached mics you can look into a soundboard but this is a perfectly adequate solution just to get your streaming career up and running then of course once you get all your sponsorships then you can invest in an upgrade of your gear I like to have a gamepad available this is just a xbox 360 controller that's wired via USB you can get an Xbox one controller that actually connects via bluetooth and this has Bluetooth built in so that's an option although bluetooth does add a bit of latency so consider your options there if you want to be super pro and then finally a webcam because people are gonna want to see your pretty face along with the game that you're playing this is a Logitech c920 which I consider to be kind of the entry-level webcam for gaming and streaming your system will require a little bit of processing performance in order to handle this webcam so bear that in mind there are of course other better options now than the Logitech c920 Logitech has a C 930 and I believe a 4k option razor has options so there's other ones out there but if you don't have spend a hundred plus bucks you can get that for 50 or 60 so let's talk performance analysis next and before we get into gaming let's just talk about the raw CP performance since that's a big part of the upgrade you get going from the 2200 G to the 2600 X we're just looking at Cinebench scores here Cinebench is a very simple free program you can use to test your CPUs performance 2600 X overall score of 13 58 which is like a lot more than 565 so that's just your raw upgrade and CPU performance quantified there via a number of course single thread performance is going to be more similar now both CPUs are running on pretty much the same architecture so if you got them to run at the same frequency if you overclock the 2200 G for example these would probably have similar scores for single thread but that multi thread performance is really where it's at when you're looking at this upgrade taking a look at CPU mark scores next overall in single thread both represented here 2600 X scores 15000 eighty-five compared to the 2200 G coming in just shy of 8000 so again just a massive increase in raw performance remember when you're playing video games you don't always need a lot of CPU performance but if you're gaming and doing something else like streaming or if you're playing a newer game that's gonna actually take advantage two more threads more threads more cores are very good just generally speaking finally we have blender this is an application that people actually use to render things so nice to have it represented here remember this is the score or time in seconds so faster is better 2600 X gets the fishy can't render done in 34 point nine seconds compared to seventy three point two for the 2200 G and only 352 seconds compared to 880 for the BMW render so there's just some quick hits evidence for you guys to show you the type of performance increase you get by spending about 110 dollars more on that upgraded processor of course you just can't take the processor price difference by itself because you also have to add in the cost of a discrete GPU which may be more or less depending on what graphics card you go with so let's move into game testing I want to point a few things out from the get-go one is that I'm testing the $500 PC and then the $900 PC and then a $900 PC while gaming and streaming at the same time I'm using MSI Afterburner as well as rivatuner in order to show you guys an on-screen display of the actual frame rates as well as GPU and CPU stats so you guys can take a look at those for your reference finally all these benchmarks are run live and I wasn't using built-in benchmarks or anything like so it's ballpark comparisons and I'm giving you a ballpark frame rates for what I was seeing versus an actual a to be comparison because that wouldn't be exactly fair but starting out with GTA 5 and then the $500 PC it did pretty well getting about 55 to 65 frames per second on average now when we started gaming with the $900 PC I found a strange issue which was that there seems to be some sort of frame rate lock going on and I was not able to figure out why I was getting 60 frames per second solid or 45 frames per second solid and whether I was doing the ingame settings or global settings it would not fix itself it might have something to do with rivatuner I wasn't able to determine the actual cause but long story short though you should be able to get well above 60 frames per second on the system with GTA 5 you just might need to go in and change some of the settings from what I did when I was gaming and streaming actually had the same issue and this actually first came up while I was doing the livestream everyone seemed to notice I was only heading 45 frames per second and was staying there pretty solidly versus when you normally play with vsync off when you'll see some fluctuation there so I apologize my GTA 5 numbers weren't exactly what they should be but I was able to successfully game and stream on the system at the same time so that's cool and I noticed as well as people in chat that if you looked at the GPU usage while I was doing this it was way lower than it should be usually GPU usage for GTA 5 will be at 99 percent or close to a hundred percent this was way less and the temperature was way less so I can't exactly say what was going on here let's move on to some tests that actually went better though player unknowns belgrad's on the $500 PC we had to set it to very low pretty much the lowest possible settings with motion blur and vsync off even then we were just barely getting about 30 frames per second about 27 to 35 frames per second on average was that I was seeing but then when you would see the game loading in additional textures it would actually tank the frame rate even more getting it down to 15 frames per second or lower and that was definitely with happening when the vram was maxed out switching over to the $900 PC and just doing game testing not streaming at low settings so slightly improved over the very low settings we jumped up to 65 to 75 frames per second it would tank down a little bits in the 60 frames per second range I noticed when there was a lot of grass on-screen that has has been noted by players and bench markers in the past that it doesn't handle grass very well but getting well above 60 frames per second in most scenarios shows you the definite improvement you get going from the $500 PC to the $900 PC even when you add the task of gaming and streaming at the same time we're still getting pretty decent frame rates actually only about a 5 fps I would say drop-off when playing at low going from 65 to 75 down to maybe 60 to 75 and then I did also test this at very low and I was actually getting 80 to 90 frames per second at that very low frame rate but honestly pub G on very low doesn't look all that great the water the water looks horrible so low is a nice step up moving on to fortnight with the $500 PC I was playing at lowest settings with motion blur on and here I must admit that when I originally tested this I had the frame rate cap on so it was getting 60 frames per second pretty steadily which is good if you have a 60 Hertz monitor but I wasn't actually seeing the max performance that it was able to get nonetheless I switched over to the $900 PC and with gaming only bumped the settings up to medium still have motion blur on and the frame rate was 105 220 frames per second so that's a very nice bump in frame rate as well as in a visual quality and actually when I switched to gaming and streaming at the same time I noticed a very little impact with fortnight and I think fortnight is a much more GPU intensive gaming that it is CPU intensive game in fact CPU usage was down any like 10% range which seems very low that means when you add the additional task of gaming and streaming at the same time the 2600 X has plenty of additional cores and threads to work with so it's like hey no problem I'll encode that on the side and you will see almost no performance difference in your gameplay so we're only seeing about 100 215 frames per second versus hundred and five to 120 and the final game I'm testing is overwatch with the $500 PC I was using the low preset with the render scale set to 100% and we were getting 50 to 65 frames per second adequate but could be a little bit better overwatch has a ton of display scaling settings and that kind of thing so bumping the display scaling down to 75 would get us well above 60 frames per second overwatch is incredibly flexible in this regard but I want to see if we could get some decent frame rates while also having a good-looking high-quality game so with the $900 PC we went from the low preset up to the high preset render scale was still at a hundred percent and we were getting 90 to 110 frames per second so from low to high and for 5265 all the way up to 90 210 it was a much much better gaming experience and then when we added gaming and streaming at the same time I think similar to fortnight this is not a very CPU intensive game so there's plenty of CPU overhead left over to do the encoding on the fly' so pretty much the same frame rate about 90 210 frames per second so I think the gaming and streaming thing at the same time is actually a great way to show how a system that has a lot more CPU processing horsepower can actually be made use of in a situation when you wouldn't get as much performance out of that if all you were doing was playing the video games it also shows that if you're not interested in streaming or doing something beyond just gaming with your system like video editing or something like that you can probably get away just fine with that quad core and yes if you're wondering you could add as a screed graphics card like the 1050 Ti to the 2200 G quad core just in my personal opinion I like I like jumping up to the six cores if you have that option available to you couple more steps to show you guys one was gonna be temperatures and I was using the race spire cooler with this CPU which did a perfectly adequate job although it was getting a little bit warm at time specifically while gaming and streaming it actually hit 88 degrees I believe eighty eight point five degrees Celsius max and at that point it will start to dip the frequency of the CP a little bit in order to ease off on the heat so that it can be dispersed and keep the temperatures within range which was okay but it does go to show you that this system having been upgraded to $500 to $900 still has more stuff you could add to it in the future so an aftermarket CPU cooler maybe something with some liquid cooling which I believe has a little bit of support in this case if you attach it to the front up there is possibility in the future I was gonna do a sound test too but I don't feel like it's really needed it is mid-range sound it's not too loud but definitely when everything's under load everything starts to crank up a little bit but thankfully when I did my actual live testing gaming and streaming I had these headphones on and even with these headphones which are open so I can hear pretty much most of what's going on around me I didn't notice the noise of the system sitting directly next to me at all the entire time so a bit of anecdotal noise level performance metrics for you there but guys that's gonna wrap it up for this video again if you're interested in building the system all the parts are linked in the video's description down below I'll put links to some of these accessories I used as well if you enjoyed this video hit the thumbs up button on your way out and of course subscribe to my youtube channel if you want to see more videos like this when they are available thanks again for watching and we'll see you next time