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HOW MUCH DID INTEL PAY YOU?! - Probing Paul #17

2017-07-14
the overwatch Coolermaster Invitational is this weekend giving 12 high school robotics teams their shot at a forty thousand dollar prize pool that benefits their school it will be live streams so check the link in the description to check it out and help coolermaster support STEM education programs what's up guys welcome back to Pauls hardware this is probing Paul my monthly Q&A video where I answer questions that you guys have proposed to me and the questions typically come from last month's video this is episode number 17 by the way in the last month with episode number 16 and there you can see the long history of curling pulse now also as I'm showing you guys last month's video I'm going to segue right into the first question for this month's video or a bit of a response because last month the the first question that I answered was this one right here about what the best CPU and graphics card setup would be for a family room 65-inch 4k TV build which I responded to and I said X to 99 and an Intel 7740 x1 at the new quad core CPUs which haven't been very well-received and speaking of not being very well received oh my god did I get some negative flak for that recommendation so here here's just like just a small sampling of that I could have kept going further but people calling me shil and it's the most BS ever and a really bad recommendation people dislike in the video and all that kind of stuff which you know I'm gonna cop to like totally warranted to some extent I mean it really depends on how you look at that original question he was asking for what the best was and the best at the time our previous to ask I like X and K be like X launching would be a 7700 K when it comes to all-around GPU performance for CPU you're never going to get more performance out of a graphics card than you will to 7700 K at whatever resolution you happen to be playing at now you could say yeah when you're playing at 4k it doesn't really matter that the load goes over to the seat or the GPU rather than the CPU and that's certainly viable as well from my perspective I was really looking at this as answering the question what is the best possible CPU and GPU configure and that I can get what will get the most out of that GPU in any situation and I was like well if a 7700 K is the best then what's coming out right now is the 777 40k which can overclock to five point one to five point two gigahertz whereas the 7700 K would usually top out it may be four point eight to five a little bit higher frequency should give you just slightly more GP performance in games that are otherwise CPU bottlenecked so that's why I recommended it it was a completely out my recommendation only for a very specific niche scenario and again I understand any of you guys who are slightly disappointed with that recommendation especially now that it's a month later and there's a little bit more information that has come out there's been a ton more testing that has gone on with both the KB Lake X and skylake X CPUs in the past month and I want to really quickly highlight Hardware unboxed because I managed to get a chance to meet Steve in person it was a probably a poor screencap of Steve there but got to meet him a person at Computex he's a really nice guy and they do really good testing over there and I will fully admit that they've done way more and way better testing than I have in the past month for sure and if anyone's called me she'll just like look at my coverage of this X 299 launch compare it to say the X 99 launch and how many videos I did for that and you can probably get at least some idea of the fact that I've I've been less enthused about this platform as well now if you jump up to actual gaming performance here he is showing and these are stock benchmarks why that by the way not including overclocking but the 7700 K when it comes to pure gaming he is testing at 1080 as well by the way still seems to beat the 77 40 K in a lot of situations he also just recently tested the 7800 X testing six core skylake X versus 7700 K so I'll put links to both of these in the description if you guys want to check them out 7700 K continues to win in case you're wondering so all this is to say that my decision right now to recommend that CPU was probably not the best one certainly not the best price to performance that that's really not what I was going for but now that we're seeing that the 7700 K is even outperforming it in some situations it makes it even less of a viable option if it was a viable option to begin with it all in the first place so yeah if you guys want my honest opinion about recommendations for gaming pcs and otherwise the next few questions should hopefully set you straight as far as what I'm actually recommending when it comes to a more well-rounded question like what's the best bang for your buck what's the best all-around solution to this not just what's the fastest thing that I can possibly get let's move into some questions for this week though first one from WM 1989 hey Paul looking to build a rather unique and specific machine goals are a 4k TV and TV and media center home network Nass and remote processing server looking for a system I can log on to remotely and run all sorts of in memory using CPU and CUDA analysis and python or even excel so clock speed and multi-threaded performance both matter do you think the 79 hundred K will fit the bill or am I completely off-base am I missing something less obvious that could bottleneck these types of tasks well when you talk about bottlenecking and tasks that is extremely CPU intensive like type n analysis or the really heavy calculation heavy Excel work basically it's going to use as many cores as many threads or as possible it's going to max out what the CPU is capable of so bottleneck isn't exactly the word but you'll be able to make use of whatever you put in there I guess would be better a better way to put that that said that 7900 K cost a thousand bucks motherboards cost 250 bucks and up and that's going to be very expensive platform to get into I think a Rison system would be a great solution for you right here I would recommend the Rison 7 1700 that's going to give you the most cores and the most threads for the least amount of money on that platform you can overclock it and get performance that's right in line with a 1700 X or 1800 X and your motherboards are going to cost you know 150 to 200 bucks even less than that if you go be 350 rather than the premium you have to pay to get into the LJ 2066 platform that Intel currently has going with the X 299 chipset now you should also hang out for just a few minutes just a couple weeks probably and take a look at what AMD does have in line for thread Ripper because they've just announced some more information about that this article is also linked in the description they've also announced pricing so thread Ripper is coming they announce two models a 32 thread 16 core version it's going to be $1,000 so compare that at a thousand bucks to the 12 core the sir I see 10 core 20 thread 7900 X and then for 800 bucks you get 12 core 24 thread version of that and they said that they are going to be shipping CPUs and motherboards in early August you can even do pre-order starting on July 27th so that's pretty soon and for your type of work that might be something to take a look at that said again if you want bang for your buck I would say a risin 7 1700 would be a great option for you it will do all those things you want it to do and it and it will do them well next question from parse Mehta another another builds question I'm it's like I'm trying to redeem myself from last month or something I'm trying to build a streaming content creation and gaming build for my processor should I go with The Horizon 1700 X or an IEEE 777 40 X should I get a 4k 60 Hertz monitor or 1440p hundred and forty-four Hertz monitor well part I apologize if you were misled at all by last month's video if that's what you happen to watch but for your purposes especially if you're going to be streaming and doing content creation absolutely the Rison 1700 X is what you should go for even the 1700 you as long as you're okay with overclocking it would be a good option as well and then as far as your monitor I'd say 1440 hundred forty-four Hertz panel if gaming is your thing you're going to appreciate that higher refresh rates and 1440 is a lot easier to push with with a more reasonably priced GPU so you won't necessarily have to get like a 1080i or something like that to get yourself up and running it with that so those would be my recommendations for you another build question Wow this is last one learning he's learning 3d modeling in blender he's going to need a PC based on a rise in 7 1700 should I buy the 1700 now or wait for Andy thread Ripper my budget on the CPU is $350 well I hope era Yaroslav zinchenko by the way asked this question I said he also plays computer games he decided not to get the Intel Core i7 because 16 toads are often compared and rendering and you're absolutely right there so for sure 1700 is a great way to go and if you were already watching the rest of this video you saw some of those initial prices for thread Ripper they are pretty high it's a high-end platform it's going to be costly that's that's kind of the way it goes if it's still putting the screws to Intel even costing that much money I'd say it's in a good position but since you're saying your CPU budget is $350,000 processor they're still really beautifully especially if you're doing something like blender something that can take advantage of all those threads so go for it look look I just did three rise in recommendations in a row I'm not I'm not an I'm not an Intel shill all right buy a GTX 1080 now or wait for Vega ask cite Islam is upgrading an aging 780ti here again I would say wait for Vega and that's just because it's only about two months off it's still a big question what kind of competition Vega is going to have for the 1080 when it actually comes to gaming it looks like Vega is going to be not quite as powerful as people were hoping it would be but we still don't know absolutely for sure everything right now is mostly based on the Vega Frontier Edition stuff that's come out which isn't necessarily your gaming specific card so yeah I just say weights it should be coming out at about the same time frame as that thread Ripper stuff that we talked about so end of July very beginning of August SIGGRAPH at that event is when AMD is going to be having some additional announcements about those products next question though from Padawan preacher for folks like myself who are just now possibly getting into video editing what rendering or export settings do you use to get a manageable file final file size at 1080p while not sacrificing on production quality what matters and what doesn't well there's a lot of stuff that goes into this as far as what resolution and bitrate and everything that you're recording at I will just focus on the main thing that you asked which is going to be about exporting so here's a W Premiere CC this is a Arctic NASA - teaser project that I did just recently and whenever I go to exports away I got to be choosing that window first so whenever I go to export my media here's here's how I kind of run down stuff I basically have through to resolutions that I might do 1920 by 1080 or 4k 3840 by 2160 I will usually save presets for them so I can grab them from the drop-down menu here I usually do h.264 although I will probably be switching to a CVC h.265 at some point soon but YouTube processes h.264 really well they have for quite some time now paste of it so once I've chosen the format up here I just run down things here so if it's a 4k video 4k resolution put that in right there frame rates I usually do if I'm recording 24 frames per second at 4k which I do pretty frequently the 4k I'll just render it out at 4k if I'm doing 1920 by 1080 I usually do 60 frames per second for beyond that I just do progressive scan of course always square pixels NTSC if you're in Europe or whatever you can do I'm sorry Europe and Asia he can do pal profiles main level will change depending on the resolution you do it need to do a higher level if you go with a higher resolution like 4k and then bitrate down here I usually just do a single pass variable bitrate and I target 42 megabits per second for 4k if I'm doing 1080 60 frames per second I usually bring the bitrate down to about 25 and then for regular 1080 30 stuff I'm usually fine at about 15 that's pretty much what I wear I go to for 4k again has been between 40 and 45 I was in 45 for a while and actually I thought Jay say he does 40 and then I started doing let's just 42 it's right in the middle I also usually choose maximum render quality and that usually gets me a really good quality that that still looks pretty good after YouTube has processed it but if you want that high quality it's just going to take up a little bit more space chances are all right bird bamboo asks hey Paul I'm planning on adding at 360 red to the front of my case and buying some static pressure fans should I use the static pressure fans along with my stock fans the ones the in the build they're the ones I assumed that came with the case and a push-pull configuration if so where should the stock fans go and where should the static pressure fans go so two parts to this one is should you use both of them it's a difficult question to ask without knowing specifically the specs of the fans that you're planning to use static pressure fans you know those are the ones that are ideally meant to go right up against the radiators radiator so obviously you're fine with those I would say try with and without adding your additional adding your other fans but definitely if the 360 is an intake put the static pressure fans on the intake side so the air fans radiator and then the rest of your system and then try the existing fans on the inside of that radiator and push-pull see what kind of change it makes chances are it might help a little bit but once you test how much power it's drawing how much additional noise it might make with those fans it may or may not actually be worth it for you but that definitely use of static pressure fans is your intake so they'll be pushing right up against that radiator because that's where most of the difficulty for air passing through is and that's where you want the static pressure fans to be doing the most one last question from virus where beacon or sausage I assume this means bacon or sausage what he was talking about a Grail shaped beacon but a very very challenging question an eternal question actually I brought have to go bacon especially if it's well-done it's got to be nice and crispy but I mean that's so challenging because sausage covers such a wide variety of the blended and spiced meats shoved into on trails or whatever they're actually packed in and those are really good too I mean honestly they're really really close for me it but I mean if I got to choose one I got to go with some crispy some crispy crispy bacon and guys that's pretty much all I have for the July episode of probing Paul thank you so much for watching I hope it has been at least somewhat enlightening for you guys of course if you want to ask me questions for next month leave those questions in the comment section down below and I will eventually get to scrolling through those and answer them in August's episode of probing Paul thank you so much for watching as always hit the thumbs up button on your way out if you enjoyed it and we'll see you guys in the next video
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