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How Do You Fix GPU Sag? - Probing Paul #25

2018-05-28
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you guys in the comments section from the last video so it's a it's a vicious cycle that will never never truly end let's get right to the first question though from door first 777 he has an Asus x99 motherboard he's wondering if he's going to get better performance from the onboard MDOT 2 slot versus using a PCI Express adapter now your motherboard does need to have support for nvme I'm assuming you're talking about an nvme SSD and really all you're talking about here is an adapter that's taking a PCI Express signal and adapting it to a different actual connector if you're using just a basic single slot PCI Express MDOT to an adapter you shouldn't see any performance difference between using that connecting directly to an MDOT 2 slot on the motherboard or even like a u2 u dot to porch they didn't really take off but it's also the same connection standard just a different physical type of plug so don't worry about it as long as you got PCI Express nvme SSD that's by 2 or by 4 as long as you're giving it by 2 or by 4 bandwidth so you have your expansion card plugged into the right slot on your motherboard and of course your motherboard supports MB nvme you should be just fine so don't worry about losing any performance next questions from Z Kensie and this is this is a triple question I'm actually gonna answer all three of these I'll try to do it quickly first how to prevent GPU sag very good question lots of people ask about this so especially if you have a massive graphics card like this or it's 10 atti with three fans and a big old cooling solution lots of way down there so you might get some sag when it's actually installed and we complain about this when we do put my PC on awesome hardware pretty frequently I have three possible solutions for you first one is free your PCI Express power cables if outed upwards if you have a slots or pass-through on your motherboard tray that you can pass them through you can do that and kind of put some some tension on them tie them back behind the tray and that can actually pull the GPU up a little bit and prevent GPU sag it's not as precise and it depends on the case of course so I got a couple more options for you guys - if you want to spend some money check out mmm NPC Tech Bill Owens site and he does a bunch of custom products like braces and these are a little bit on the more expensive side this is 50 bucks but it's custom designed he's got different ones that are made for different graphics cards it actually sits in the slot below your graphics card it's just a big metal piece that is actually machined and looks pretty cool and provides that support that you need to prevent that GPU sag Final Solution and this one maybe is also a little bit on the cheaper side but I like something like this this is actually from the PC master-race subreddit but he has used just a little toy something in there that you know provides a little bit of of character for your computer and he's just sitting under there holding up the graphics card so you can do something like that that's sort of an in-between method just to give some support beneath it I mean you could even go so far as like to cut a wood dowel or something like that just to put in there and put in place just make sure you're you're making an aesthetic decision to make your computer look better so make sure whatever you do put in there has sort of a clean finish to it because otherwise you might as well just stick with the SAG two more questions and to answer these I'm gonna direct you over to an article and a video first question is what a GPU extender riser cable should he use for his vertical GPU mat and then followup should he even bother going with the vertical GP Emmett I will direct you to this video cards dot-com article where they actually tested a bunch of different GPU riser cables the short answer is you want to go with the higher quality ones they cost a little bit more but the power delivery is actually where these tend to suffer I mean if you don't have proper power delivery for a graphics card a lot of these are made for like mining operations which don't really require that much power but I'll link this article in the video's description so check it out if you want up on that sand there's also some suggested ones that you can order down there finally should you actually bother with a vertical GPU bracket and I will direct you over to Dimitri's video on harbor connects for that he did some testing with this it's gonna depend on your case and how much space you actually have between the graphics card and the side of your case but in his testing he found that it wasn't the best idea if all you're concerned about is performance having the GPU right up against the case side panel restricts airflow going into the GPU cooling solution leads to higher temperatures and with modern graphics cards that means your GPU is going to throttle itself just a little bit so you can still do it just fine it's not going to make your system not work but you are probably going to be giving up a little bit of performance unless you specifically find a case that has one of those side mounts that has enough space there to provide airflow and you probably have to find some specific testing for that in order to make sure it works next question from alexander lennon hey Paul what kind of mouse are using it looks like a great fit for me I'm not exactly sure which Mouse you're asking about Alexander but I actually have a couple here that I've been using recently I'm guessing you're talking about this one because this is my main set and this is one it's been plugged in here for a while this is a from Coolermaster it's the master mouse mm 530 its RGB it's got a few profiles it's got side buttons for forward them back I've actually been liking sort of the less expensive mice recently so this one's only 32 bucks if you buy it on Amazon I'll put a link in the description it's it's an affiliate link FYI so if you click it it helps me out and thank you for doing that yeah for 32 bucks this has been a solid Mouse I just like the tracking on it it's got four different dpi settings that you can do it's got a pic start pmw 30 360 infrared sensor which has been tracking pretty nicely for me so there it is link in the description I've also been using from time to time this mouse and this is the master keys light L and I don't think you can actually buy this by itself but I imagine if you could it would be very inexpensive I did find the combo you can get the master keys like combo it actually comes with a mechanical switch keyboard with RGB backlighting for 52 ish dollars and this little mouse which I've also been using just with some test setups and that kind of thing and there's also doing it's like just fine it's a good little mouse like forward and back buttons tracking is good and of course RGB if you want it to be a little bleah Alberto aspires to asks hey Paul what's the difference between 1080 and 1440 when building a PC I like this question because it's big enough that I can sort of interpret it myself and make up my own answer and so you're probably talking about resolution 1920 by 1080 versus 2560 by 1440 if we're strictly sticking with 16 by 9 aspect ratios the difference right now is that 1080 is kind of the standard you can get a very inexpensive 1080 monitor for around $100 and you can start gaming the upgrade to 1440 will require more GPU horsepower the monitors are going to probably cost a little bit more and you also might consider when you're upgrading to higher level monitors getting something that supports g-sync if you have an Nvidia graphics card or freesync if you're lucky enough to have an AMD graphics card that you were able to somehow purchase for not incredibly high prices so for me right now the difference is going to be spending two hundred fifty eight dollars on a graphics card that will be just fine for 1080 and maybe allow you to play at 1440 in some situations in some games and spending more like 400 to 500 dollars on a graphics card which is what you'd have to spend for a 1070 1070 TI or gtx 1080 and that would handle playing at 1440 much better there are other variables at play of course but just trying to keep things quick and simple 1440 is like taking a step away from what most people are playing at when they're talking about console or PC gaming and sort of ascending into the realm of like wow it looks a lot better and cleaner and you really start to appreciate it I like 1440 because it's a nice step up from 1080 without requiring as much GPU horsepower as gaming at 4k antwuan ashraf asks does Rison 2600 perform better with s with xf r 2 rather than manual overclocking in gaming so let's take a look at the horizon v 2600 over on Newegg it has a boost clock boost frequency of 3.9 gigahertz and depending on your temperature cooling solution it might actually ramp up a little bit more than that that's how XFR works it's pretty effective and I have found that unless you have a really good cooling solution and a really good chip for overclocking that you can somehow set to run at 4.1 4.2 gigahertz are higher on all cores then you're probably better sticking with the stock frequencies because XFR can get a 2600 up to 4 gigahertz or a little bit higher and if you're overclocking all cores you might get stuck at three point eight or three point nine since games do tend to prefer single core performance a little bit more when it comes to overall gaming performance it's actually shown to perform better with XFR - and again this is situational then with just a manual overclock so the manual overclock I would go for if you really need more overall CPU horsepower or if you're trying to get the bang for your buck option by buying a 2600 and overclocking it versus spending a little bit more money on a 2600 X I have three more questions so let's do a speed round mostly ap asks Paul your PC is running 24/7 or do you shut them off when you finish a video I've been trying to shut down computers I usually he'll shut down a computer if I have that option but that's part of the reason why I'm trying to get the FreeNAS set up back up and running with a new configuration is because I want a system that's on all the time that uses really low power but they can handle stuff like having my personal data that I can access over my network and then also the capability of running the Plex servers so that it can actually use the TV tuner card that we have on the network to actually capture TV shows that we have scheduled to record not that we have a lot of those anymore but we have the TV tuner card and everything so I like to keep that up and running Josh keys hey Josh yes how is our cue Panther doing and any plans on upgrading my wife's PC my OS PC is known as hotbox and it's still up and running I need to do a maintenance video on that one because it's still using the opaque Mayhem's fluid in it and I'm pretty sure that needs a good flush so I probably will do a video on that when I clean it out and maybe an update on that actual build itself as for arctic panther don't feel in here in the background still working just fine the Primeau chill view fluid has pretty much turned completely clear in that the pump is still working the Primeau chill flow indicator has stopped moving and that's still just sitting there so I need to open that up and do a drain as well and see what I want to do with it next so that's also coming in the future we're probably not until I get back from Computex and final question from Richard ship how is the new truck running so if you guys remember back late last year I went and drove to Colorado I got a Toyota Tacoma and I drove it back here it's running great although I do need to take it in for some maintenance so I will hopefully get to that very soon did get a wash just recently so it's nice and shiny although it only lasted about a week before it got a bunch of water spots on it again I do really like my new truck though and it's been a lot of fun to drive around it's four by four and it's manual and it's fun and finally here is my peel box guys if you are interested in sending me anything you know legally of course then feel free to send me stuff we usually open packages that arrive to my peel box and Kyle's peel box during awesome hardware our live show on Tuesday evenings at 5:30 p.m. Pacific time so just to throw that out here because not everyone knows it's there it's you in the description of all my videos too but that pretty much wraps it up for this video guys so thank you so much for watching this episode of probing Paul I'll be doing another Q&A video in about a month so if you have any questions for me post them in the comment section down below also links to relevant stuff is in the video's description so check down there and click on those things and and thank you for doing that thank you for watching this video as well and we'll see you next time
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