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that is going to ship at a frequency that is sort of set and regulated by Nvidia and they can't ship it higher frequencies than that but you can of course get manufacturer overclocked versions of the card this is the msi armor 2070 RTX 2070 by the way this is the gaming Z r-tx 2070 so this is a $600 version this is a $500 version the big question is what is the actual difference between the GPUs themselves and can you overclock a $500 version to get yourself pretty much the same performance as you can get with the $600 version because for 500 bucks yes the r-tx 2070 is an expensive graphics card but you can kind of make a case for it when you compare it to like the GTX 1080 and other cards that cost around $500 for 600 bucks though it just becomes like way too overpriced so today we're going to answer two questions can you overclock a $500 RTX 2070 to give you the same performance as a $600 r-tx 2070 and then hopefully also since these are supposed to be available for sale today can you actually buy a $500 RTX 2070 are they still going to be in stock today or are they just gonna be products that you know there's a few of but they sell out immediately and everyone will be stuck spending 580 or $600 on a more expensive one I've reached out to some of our manufacturer partners to get their feedback on this but for starters I think we should actually disassemble both of these cards to get a closer look at the Jeep you itself here's our two GPUs the gaming Z the $600 version on the right the armor or the $500 version on the left there are of course some immediate differences between the two that you can see like for instance the armor has a base plate that goes down most of the board includes some cooling for some of the components down at this end whereas the gaming Z's actually stops over here but the contact plate for the cooler side itself actually extends out here and makes contact with some of those and it's also just a beefier one you can tell just by holding it there's a lot more fins in there so it's got more thermal mass to absorb heat and dissipate it's also got a six pipe array over here with a couple thicker it looks like six millimeter and eight millimeter pipes whereas this one here is using a five pipe array with looks like all six millimeter pipes it does have the direct copper contact though with the actual GPU the circuit board design for these is actually based on the same layout so you can kind of notice because it's a little taller here but it has a cutout for the PCI Express graphics power connectors here still going with an eight pin and a six pin but the power delivery elements themselves is a full array here we have an eight phase-- power delivery setup here versus the six phase over on this one and you can actually see the blank space here where there would be some chokes and some capacitors MOSFETs are under this plate right here as compared to the fully kitted out bank of VRMs on the gaming Z but this was actually my main point the main reason I tore these down was to actually look at the GPU dye itself which I've wiped off as best I can and you can see the actual SKU tu 106 is the GPU dye that the r-tx 27 TS are based on but as you can see there is a slight variance here tu 106 - 408 - a 1 for the $600 version whereas the $500 version here is tu 106 - 400 - a 1 so not 400 a - a 1 just - 400 so this quick teardown confirms what I kind of already knew and that is that there is actually a different GPU or a slight variation of the T 106 GPU used in the $500 ins of the cards versus the $600 versions of the cards so the next thing I'm going to do and this is going to be a somewhat limited test again because I only have two cards to test against each other I'm hoping some other people will also maybe do a similar test like this is to see if I try to manually overclock this lower-end version the $500 version here can I achieve the same overclocks that this version ships with can I save myself a hundred bucks by doing some manual overclocks with this the manufacturers with this version of the GPU that ships and the 500 divergence are specifically limited by Nvidia are specifically restricted by Nvidia from shipping this at a higher frequency does that mean that the chips themselves aren't capable of reaching those frequencies or is it just something that NVIDIA has put out there so that they can differentiate these products and sell them at two different prices even though the potential performance is the same between them also I have at least one follow up from a manufacturer so far EVGA has confirmed that yes they have a $500 version it's available directly on the EVGA website it's available for sale right now and I'm also asking if they expect availability to continue through the holidays and they said yes they think it should that's a little forward-looking so we can't verify that of course until time goes by and we see if they stay in stock but at least for now I'll post links in the video's description to $500 versions of the r-tx 27 TS wherever I find them available alright guys so the I got my test bed loaded back up using pretty much the same settings and everything that I was using yesterday I did load up MSI Afterburner to use that for overclocking and really the only difference here when it comes to the shipping frequency of the graphics cards is gonna be the base in the boosts clock so by defaults the base clock is 1410 and the boost clock is 1624 this $500 version in my testing yesterday the base clock of the $600 version was still 1410 but the boost was eighteen thirty two hundred and ten points higher so literally all I'm going to do to try to save us hundred dollars here is just add two hundred and ten points to our our core clock hit apply there and then the boost clock here in just a moment should reflect eighteen thirty which is the boost clock of the six hundred dollar version and now we can test and see if it was effective I'm just gonna run time spy damn it Jim ruined everything's ruined alright final test is finishing up here and our GPU score of 93 31 is the score to beat that's what we gots with the original test yesterday and look at that we're not at 93 31 we're ninety-one for 64 but that still is a huge jump up the graphics score that stock was 83 92 so we went from 83 92 to 91 64 we're still just slightly shy of the gaming Z's its graphics score of 93 31 but we've come much much closer to it and again hundred bucks less and you saw what I did I punched in plus two hundred and ten and that's what I got I also want to point out temperature and this wasn't a long stress test or anything but we only got up to 66 degrees so that's not even a higher temperature than I saw in my overall testing running through a full suite of benchmarks when I initially rolled this out but I want to run one more test here and all I'm really gonna do here just to see if we can bump that score up even just a little bit more is in addition to the plus 210 on the core clock I'm also going to take the power limit slider and max that out max on this card is 114 percent or adding 14% more so I'm just gonna hit apply there and then we'll run the test one more time so here is another result from our test and that is that with the power limit max we actually froze up and somehow it's now telling me this is a valid score my valid score of zero all right so here we can see that our frequency as it's running along is about the same frequency that we were hitting with the gaming Zed which is about 1950 megahertz on average let's analyze this run our GPU core clock actually got up to 27 T which is actually a higher max frequency than the gaming Z hits out of the box and we can sort of see as this chart as it's slowly disappearing we were hitting around 1950 megahertz 1950 1970 1965 1935 so it was also hitting around the same frequency temperature was also within range we only hit a 68 degrees Celsius max just something about that power limit it didn't like and threw an error and caused the test to fail so I'm gonna do one more test here just gonna drop from 114 to 110 on the power limit and see if that will introduce a little bit of stability and see what we come out with our benchmark test so we had a crash once again so this is this is kind of worrying to me a little bit at least in that this GPU doesn't seem to be accepting more power additional power limit which is going to increase the temperatures also allow it to increase power consumption like for instance max power consumption is 112 point nine percent of its rated TDP so this introduces some questions and unfortunately they're questions that I cannot directly answer because again I've only got one card to test so anything I'm gonna say here it's gonna be somewhat anecdotal related to this card so what this indicates to me is that well obviously the GPU isn't able to run through the tests successfully with the frequency it's running at right now I don't think it's a temperature issue and it might potentially be an issue with the power delivery to the GPU itself or just the GPU ASIC quality itself which would indicate that it's good that I'm doing this video because that might seem to indicate that the tu 106 400 a dies can potentially overclock a little bit better I can't say that with too much certainty because I've only tested two cards against each other but perhaps others who have these cards will come out and do some similar testings so we can get a more accurate picture of what we should expect when it comes to the 2070 but more to the point and again just to see if we can get $600 performance out of a $500 card I'm doing one more modification here to my overclock trying to keep things simple still but power limits at 110 core clock is at plus 210 to give us the same core clock as a 600 version I've set the fan speed to 60% which you can hear just a little bit but it's not terribly loud we'll see if that helps such and gets us a clean it run through time spy at so these settings did allow us to improve our score again a little bit more 92 94 for the graphics score and again that's compared to 93 31 so we're getting within about 40 points which is honestly pretty much negligible when it comes to tests like these I was I think a little disappointed that we saw instability at such a relatively low overclock again with just the power slider max which is just plus 14% on that and then with the overclock which is clearly an overclock that MSI is comfortable shipping a slightly more overbuilt card at I wasn't expecting to actually have the test crash at the point that they did but with just a little bit of coercing and mainly just increasing the fan speed which can often get you better performance just by keeping the GPUs temperature down which allows it to run at a higher frequency I was able to get myself a little bit better score and again save that hundred dollars by just loading up afterburner and doing just a couple quick tweaks so that's the only thing left to do is double check and see if NVIDIA has made fools of all of us for viewers by telling us that they would have $500 RTX 27 TS available at launch I want to double check that now that it is launch day but we also have to somewhat be mindful of the fact that it is launch day so initial launch numbers as far as what they have in stock might be refreshed soon so I'm not immediately saying that if it's sold out that Nvidia has screwed us all over and I do have at least one response from EVGA when it comes to expected availability but there appear to be four variants of the $500 card that includes the EVGA r-tx 2070 black edition the Asus turbo which is a blower style design the gigabytes are chi-x 2070 DirectX 12 which is a three fan blower style design as well and then of course the msi armor which is the one that i've been testing here also available for $500 now there are variants like for instance you can get an overclock manufacturer overclocked version of the armor for 50 bucks more 550 is what it's selling for on Newegg if you go over to Amazon it's 570 dollars but honestly guys do what I did here get that $500 version and just overclock it unless more people do further testing and determined that yes these $500 versions actually aren't that good at overclocking but you can at least be relatively assured I think that you can hit the same frequencies that the $600 versions are shipping at EVGA is $500 version is listed on Amazon but it says it's temporarily out of stock that is also the case for a Seuss's turbo version which for some reason is 5:30 here this is what we don't want to see is creeping up prices for these supposed $500 versions of the cards gigabytes is also here also temporarily out of stock and then the MSI is again that's the manufacturer overclocked version this one should also have the non overclocked version for 500 bucks EVGA though is like I said is the only one who has responded to me in all fairness I've only given them about two hours to get back to me so I might get further follow-ups later today which I'll probably maybe post in the comment section down below if I get word from that but they said they expect these to continue to be available through the holiday season and you can buy directly from EVGA right now it's on pre-order status and it's expected to ship within two to three weeks so again initial availability might not be completely ubiquitous but it does seem like within a couple weeks these will be shipping out and people who want cards and are only willing to spend 500 bucks can get them all right guys that is pretty much gonna wrap it up for this video again just wanted to answer those basic questions about this r-tx 2017 launch since the stuff that we weren't necessarily able to share since the cards hadn't launched yet like they have now today or probably yesterday is when this video actually goes up so I'll post links where relevant to hopefully the $500 versions of these cards at least available for pre-order or backorder or ship in a couple weeks order and this is something that I'm gonna try to keep an eye on in the coming weeks and especially leading up to like November and Black Friday time as people or may be interested in buying these cards for Christmas presents or something like that and keeping Nvidia honest as much as we can in telling us that the cards will be available for a certain price and then those cards never actually being available for the price this has me somewhat optimistic that you will still be able to buy a $500 RTX 2070 EVGA s response as well thank you vga for getting back to me on that one and of course if you are buying the $500 version pretty simple to download the overclocking software punch in the numbers for the higher-end version overclock it yourself and save the little cache there thank you guys so much for watching this video though links again to relevant stuff is down in the description hit the thumbs up button if you enjoyed it and I will be back very soon because if you didn't notice there's an another test fed in the background here that I'm supposed to be also working on at the same time it's got the 9900 K in it which launches very soon so stay tuned for that too subscribed and all that good stuff and we'll see you guys in the next video