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Intel's F'd Up CPU Pricing, and Will There REALLY Be a GTX 1660 Ti? - Awesome Hardware #0175-A

2019-01-22
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a home make your house into a home and a domicile and a living space and a studio for awesome hardware yeah and you can shoot there in a couple weeks I mean ice tech news tech news I shouldn't the transition is getting let's do a new trance can we do like a fun transition like let's do a wacky one he's out elastic like a 90s transition when I try ease out elastic okay what elastic let's try that we're gonna use that elastic demand news story whoa whoa that's kind of I'm gonna do I'm gonna dream now this one's from videocards dot-com and it is about the seemingly actually real but still a rumor but these rumors keep happening so I guess this is actually gonna be a thing the nvidia geforce gtx 1660 TI i purposely didn't read anything on this card because i wanted to give my genuine reaction to the news i'm about to hear on the show like there's not a whole lot more beyond stuff that's been rumored recently it's just these rumors seem to be growing more intense and if you believe the fine folks over at video cards calm the knot the vendors that select the third-party ad in bored manufacturers that they've been talking to have been confirming that this 16 60 TI is actually a thing the name is not yet fully confirmed but they say they've heard it from two sources which and and and round that up to three if you include the source for this picture which evidently they didn't just doctor to say 16 60 TI it actually cuz cuz no one could just type that those letters and download the g-force font yeah I mean like in Photoshop that was a fan transition I hope you guys know that's cool guys enjoyed that one cool transition oh but from what they have heard they do have some base specs so it's based on a new GPU the TU 116 which is going to be the first turning based GPU under the GTX brand so it won't feature any RT course so no very tracing acceleration supports but still 1536 CUDA cores which is a decent amount although still a decent amount less than the 2060 so as you might expect it's going to come in beneath the 20 the 20 60 by a decent amount it still apparently has six gigs of gddr3 though on 192 bit bus which is the same as the 2060 there's no information or word on if there's going to be cut down memory variants like a three gig version or a four gig version for example that maybe even used slower memory like gddr5 or gddr5 x if you looked at what they did with the 1060 you might expect yeah they probably are gonna do that but who knows for sure we're still in the realm of rumor and speculation at this point because none of this is confirmed by Nvidia but it's fun to talk about anyway the r-tx 2060 certainly seems like a reasonably compelling and somewhat fairly priced graphics card so far for what you're getting for it I would agree a reasonable replacement to people who were shopping for a 1070 or 1070 TI so you know if Nvidia can price this competitively then I guess all we have to do is forgive them for the stupid why is it a 1660 what is that where does that number come from we had a 10 series so we had a 1080 tenth we had a 1060 and now we have the one T 80 2060 whatever what was like let's what made them think let's just add six hundred to the tenth series and that's that's what will give us our good for the TU 116 it's almost like they they left the engineering team in charge of marketing this card that kind of seems like maybe maybe it's the case I just never let the engineering team name anything it will try like a Liam Lee case like the only thing I can think they might have been thinking it's like 60 right the 60 series like if you go back to like a GTX 260 or a 460 or 960 like those were always kind of their middle-of-the-road bread and butter lots of people can afford it it gives you you know they try to usually price it competitively so maybe they're taking the later half is not what I have if it were a 2 XT then 600 is like 10 times better so 660 and that's what they were think everyone's looking at 16 they're not looking at the last three digits they're looking at the first two because that's how it's always been it's always been the first to indicate sort of the the generation and then the last to indicate the sort of tier that generation 10 to 20 and then reverted to 16 they should have just go with either 11 or done like GTX 2050 that would have been nobody would have given two shits what's wrong with just GTX 2060 they haven't art yet exactly just call it GTX sure I think that's better they say there'd be some confusion there because it's one letter off I get one and think they were getting the other it is one letter off of its whatever who knows uh they're in video they do what they want no rumor launch dates for this rumored card but there is another article from also video cards calm with a ashes of the singularity benchmark that was leaked so this is just from the ashes of the singularity database because if you benchmark on ashes and you tell it to upload it will upload to the database and here you can see clearly listed in video g-force gtx 660ti granted this could be doctored and everything but the source for this is the mysterious and infamous to a person up to sack doom a sec mother who's from bangkok which is just a fun name of a city say Evan Deven Cocteau MEP a sec from anyway open to Bangkok the score I got was 7400 which is 1200 points higher than you would expect the GTX 1060 to score in this although ashes of the singularity benchmarks can be hard to compare depending on the pre being used in the system and all that good stuff so as with everything here since we're talking about a rumor product all this could be false and we might be lying to you but that's all we have to say for that let's move on next story which is about msi and msi his new CEO did you meet MSI's new CEO i did not did you no I did say hi to cliff cliff cliff so what's up yeah yeah I was like saying hi cliff cliffs awesome but uh yeah Emma soget has a new CEO he's been at the company for a while his name is Charles Chang he started on January 1st of this year so he's only been at the job for about three weeks he is a veteran MSI executive and he served as executive vp as a desktop platform solutions VP of R&D as well as a VP which i think is associate VP Thurston VP assistant to the view I think a VP is alien versus Predator alien versus Predator he's also participated in alien versus Predator serious role it's maybe he was an extra he was probably one of the predators he must have a lot of experience anyway though he did a 30-minute interview with Tom's Hardware the entire articles linked in the description as well as all the other articles I'm talking about today so feel free to read the whole thing because I'm not going to go over all of it mainly had to talk about what he said about Intel which is a little bit of information that wasn't necessarily out there before which is or maybe just kind of what Intel's been doing more recently which is the Intel has been prioritizing supplying mobile chips and data center chips over desktop CPUs so whenever they have you know you know they get it they print out the wafers the wafer yes that's the word I'm looking for word and they cut it up and they say like all right these are good ones and these are okay ones and whatever they're slotting and they're filling in the orders or the necessary CPUs they need for mobile and server which paint priority before or desktop and that apparently it seems to be why even though enthusiasm I feel like for Intel's like 9,000 serious CPUs hasn't been that high simply because they're still very expensive they're still very expensive prices haven't come down and there still isn't always availability of them so you have a weird situation and we have a product that it doesn't seem like a ton of people are interested in there's still interest because they're still good CPUs they're just the the AMD pricing is very competitive against them but according to to Charles over here part of the reason for that is just that Intel hasn't really been providing the desktop market with very many CPUs to sell so that's led to when he says the desktop market he's also including the CPUs that are in some of their gaming notebooks and stuff right not necessarily so so CPUs that are sold to be integrated into systems for CPUs that are like retail boxed or OAM tray I don't even know if you can still buy OEM or tray individual CPUs anymore like that but the CPU you would buy if you wanted to build a desktop computer that's why the 9900 K when it first launched which was supposed to be worth thinking was gonna be around 500 bucks so maybe low 500s initially was selling for 570 or 590 ish before it it's kind of dropped back down and Chuck said the that that hurts their sales their motherboards sales and if it's affecting em aside that means it's also affecting Asus and gigabyte in as rock and and the other motherboard manufacturers as well sure because you have a mix of sort of maybe not as much enthusiasm CPUs which are very expensive so you're just gonna have less people who have access to that cuz you know like the most reasonable eight core if you want an eight core CPU from intel on their main stream platform you got to spend like over 400 bucks right for a 9700 K yeah and if you want the 9900 K you guys spend 530 and if no one's buying the CPUs there sure as hell not buying the motherboards that support those cps it's like the buns are great but the hot dogs are really overpriced yet so the bun company's hurting right now so the quote straight from chuck analogies is that intel says let's start at the data center first mobile second desktop last and then they have the higher I 9 and i7 processors and H skew processors and then they do the you scoop processors and then they do the desktop processors the you scoop yet the you skews the lower the lower lower TDP versions gotcha now MSI and the same interview says they they have an issue haven't had issues getting CPUs in into their notebooks which makes sense different ills prioritizing that or their desktops but like I said that's like in that's like a fully built desktop solution right but they have noticed it affecting their motherboard sales and that the shortages have kept DIY builders you know sort of in lurch when it comes to finding the CPUs to buy and then if you can't buy a CPU you're not gonna buy a motherboard I think I wonder if that means that maybe motherboard manufacturers are gonna start investing more money and Ardie into their AMD motherboards and maybe scale away a little bit from from the Intel options if that's what's bringing in the dough and that's what people are buying that'll be interesting if you might have more rise in am4 options or whatever then LGA 1151 and whatnot and injected did touch on that because AMD I'm sorry MSI doesn't currently make AMD based laptops or integrated desktop computers but they do make a m4 motherboards in the next 399 motherboards so they've said the sales of those have been doing very well yeah I'm like I've recommended the B be 450 tomahawk is like a really solid board it's only about a hundred and ten hundred and fifteen dollars and it's a great board too you could buy it as an entry-level board and you can still use it for one of the eight core CPUs and if AMD is to be believed with that the stuff they talked about it C yes you're gonna be able to still have like a B 450 by there board that you can slot in one of their third gen rising CPUs into because they're still staying with a m4 as a socket so we'll see how that works out they did say that production of 40 nanometer Intel CPUs should be ramping up over the course of the year and the shortage issue should be fixed by the fourth quarter which sounds like a long way away given that it's January and also sounds like when Intel said they were supposed to start watching the 10 nanometer stuff mm-hmm right which has been delayed for like the past two or three years yeah so good they're finally gonna have enough ninety nine hundred case in stock by the time they launch their next gen just in time that's really good hopefully will be any what doesn't matter what price will be at that point but like you said the am for stuff has been doing well comparatively so even though MSI doesn't currently produce laptops or desktops based on AMD products they are considering it for the future and when they consider something like that they have to consider a range of stuff not just like oh can we do this physically get the products and make them and sell them but they also have to consider like long-standing relationships with Intel and still share that which I'm sure there's a lot of behind the scenes talking that goes on but don't speculate too much on that but that's pretty much all I wanted to touch on for that story main point there was the sort of interesting way that Intel looks at the CPU market when it comes to what they're fulfilling first right it feels to me like I mean I don't know if any Intel marketing people out there watching but like probably if they wanted to recapture sort of the the the passionate DIY markets which I feel like drives a lot of sales in the other areas like like you know all-in-one done like like integrated desktops and laptops I feel like they need to start to sort of reassess that and be like riot I don't know they just they need to they need to lower their prices I feel like in probably more competitive Intel's too big to give a shit about us I feel like they're just so massive to really give two shits about this niche market that granted you like you said does branch out into all these other markets and and and helps develop those and helps grow the economy with within those markets but it's also Intel and I just feel like they have their their hands in so many other pockets and they have so many things so many other things going that you know alright the gamer building his own PC that's a slice of the the pie chart this big of what we encompassed oh yeah so if there is further proof of this and just sort of tying into the next story here this is from an an tech that we talked about these weird Intel CPUs that they have teased they've they've listed some base specifications for they are f skew CPUs so at the same fsq the same skews here's here's a list of them right here it's the same skews as like a 9900 K but now they put an F on the end and the F means no graphics no integrated graphics we talked about this on the live show and a few weeks of your site like they're in need so now there's a 9900 KF and 9700 KF and 9600 KF the only one on here that doesn't have a non F variant is this 93 50 K 9350 KF which would sort of be the it's kind of tied to the 8350 KF but it's like five bucks more point being these were sort of interesting and you'd be like alright well that might be interesting if it's a reasonably priced it's not okay here these new CPUs just like the old CPUs all the clock speeds are the same less features just no integrated graphics and the exact same price 374 374 262 262 180 to 182 same price for everything why would you ever buy that then exactly why so there's zero reason so two to two points to make here one is that Intel lists tray pricing or they list the price that they sell in bulk so the prices you see here like four hundred eighty eight dollars $4.99 hundred K sure if you buy a 99 hundred K at retail its 530 ish dollars right now the retailer could sell it for life this is what Intel sells in quantities of a thousand sure so it might be that when these CPUs actually do go up for sale they might actually be 10 bucks less but that's 10 bucks less that the reseller is making because Intel sold them to the reseller for the exact same exactly why would have a drug the same price right so this to me that just means like alright I have zero interest that I mean if I if my interest in these was minimal before because I was like alright no I GPU like do they overclocked really well there's no indication of that probably not it's really just a fused off-eye GPU or possibly they're harvesting chips that the AI GPU wasn't fully functional or something to try to get better yields but it's like make these a value proposition give people some reasons rights and by advisories or to buy this over another like there's a lot of people big oh yeah I'm never gonna use the IP you I GP you and a 9900 ko I'll say there's a 20 bucks 30 bucks yeah some reasonable amount of like my god discount for a month but now you're like alright no it's the same price and you just don't get that functionality it's like you could get the combo with the fries and the drink for five bucks or you could just buy the burger itself for five bucks and I've been in many situations where the IGP you and an Intel mainstream processor has come in very handy exactly even if you don't think that you're gonna need ever get into trouble shooting like exactly scarred is feeling like well it's okay I can still use my computer just not for gaming just switch to the AI GPU that's that's actually very nice failsafe so stupid Intel that's lame this is Laurie so we'll go through this a little bit more quickly this one I guess is veering back a little bit more towards the positive but intel is planning to spend billions on a new factory in Oregon billions this is actually building out an existing factor you're adding to it this is to support to the next generation of CPU manufacturing and they hope to begin construction on this factory by the end of June it would add an enormous third section to their existing cutting-edge Hillsboro research Factory which is known as d1 X and it would has news protection new production tools for seven nanometer EUV based CPUs or integrated circuits UV is extreme ultraviolet lithography which is what they're based in their their new CPUs on the machines that that that manufacture those chips cost about a hundred and twenty million dollars each and apparently they are the size of a bus I don't know if they're actually shaped like a bus and look like a bus but that would be kind of funny okay if they did the article largely sources the information from people in Oregon's construction industry because when you're building something like this you got to plan ahead and get get all your permits in line and contractors but they say that Intel is lining up contractors and labor for the project although depending on who the article source talked to which is a from Oregon live.com some of them said that Intel's like super into this committed to going forward others have said that Intel did hedge in some conversations so you know there's still a little bit up in the air but it seems like by June this year Intel should be breaking ground on the new wing of this Factory the d1x facility is already home to Intel's most advanced research it's where they crafted their next-gen CPUs and then the last thing to point out is that Intel doesn't have a CEO right now since Brian Chris ganc retainage ranch there's an advantage couldn't keep it in his pants yeah he had that a consensual affair but it was still stolen affair he resigned he violated the Intel Terms of Service yeah as a CEO he CEO Terms of Service gonna read the TOS fine fridge cannot sleep with your secretary damn it you always got to read the TOS guys no update could just cost you your job but back to the point that it it's it's hard for a company to make a decision this weighty without a CEO there to affirm it but they might be announcing a new CEO as soon as Thursday which is when they are announcing their 2018 financial results so for all you guys who are invested in Intel or just super eager to know who their new CEO might be keep an ear to the ground this Thursday because that seems like when that information might be released okay movie on couple more news stories here this one just referencing you to another in an tech article but this is a review of Samsung's latest nvme SSD the successor to the 970 Evo which is very popular as a high-performance nvme SSD which is very high performance also tends to be a little bit more on the expensive side although not quite as expensive as their 970 Pro but the main difference between the Evo plus and the Evo is that they're using new and they're using 96 layer 3d NAND flash memory I remember when I visited South Korea for the Samsung event when they were first launching three Dean and they were very excited about it and they were like we have a bunch of layers of the NAND we're gonna add more layers and yes they have followed through with that and done that 96 layer 3d and which apparently is not only more dense but also performs a little bit better than than the previous three beam and they were working on so the SSD doesn't have a new controller they're using the existing controller there are some performance gains the article has detailed review stuff like testing I ops and read and write throughput and all that good stuff the chart here kind of gives you your basic idea looking at the various versions of the drive it comes in 250 gig 500 gig and 1 terabyte capacities right now there's a 2 terabyte version that's come out in April and you can see the read and write speeds pretty good about 350 to 500 megabytes per second for your sequential reads and then they've got sequential write speeds because there's an SLC portion of the drive and a TLC portion and depending on whether or not you've used up that buffer you'll get much better write speeds they slow down a bit all the way down to foreigner' megabytes per second for the Turner gating version overall though in antec was impressed with this drive and they said that it's basically like taking one of the fastest ELC drives around and making it slightly a slightly better deal cool so there you go that's that's good if you are about to buy a new high-speed nvme SSD you should be happy that this is now available if you bob a samsung 970 evo within the past month you punch yourself in the face should waited for this it's not quite that bad prices our prices are reasonable it's still about twice as much price per gig as you'd pay for like a later rev3 throw a SATA rf3 drive but 90 bucks for a 250 gig version 130 bucks for the 500 gig version 250 bucks for the one terabyte version that's not bad and that's the that's the out of the gate prices so maybe we'll see some discounts on that and not bad for nvme and just like the ease of installation less fuss and higher speeds all that yeah and very nice get in the high-speed nvme drive in there for like your main up system drive there there's their super smooth super smooth or the really fast ones it's it's a harder sell for somebody who's buying who's like building a budget PC yes you need this yeah good luck using that all tangible benefits start to fall off when right once you jump into the nvme SSD range but um this this seems like you know a slightly more a slight bit of an equalizer when it comes to that that higher range Samsung SSD teams just they're on fire they have been for many years now oh yeah they do it they got that they got that vertical integration indeed alright one more story one final start here in the news segment and this one is just sort of something I wanted to show you guys came across this this is from the blue blur blur the blue gives me the blur blasters Buster's website and I stopped a bunch of monitors at at Computex Cal did you see many monitors at Computex yes I did man the blur Busters site is so so useful is this weird over left here that's bothering me besides nothing makes you want to like close it like it's a pop-up or something your spidey senses kick in you're like pop up destroy destroy cannot the the main point here is there are now smartphone cameras that can record at a very high refresh rate there are now also led LED monitors that have very high refresh rates what as well here's a recording of a monitor refreshing this is an LED and it's a seven second video so it goes by very quickly you might notice right the beginning of the video is regular speed and then it slows down to 960 FPS at what point there oh right there are you seeing oh wow fast slow now notice how notice the clear delineation any monitor that's that's that's drawing the image is going to draw from top to bottom that's right that's typically how monitors do it nothing right that's why you get tearing yes you have a refresh rate of the monitor that's different than the refresh rate that your GPU spitting it yeah but you're also dealing with pixel response time it's usually measured in graded gray below on this video that you can see a similar the same test being run with a IPS else LCD IPS LCD s have much slower response time so when it slows down notice all of the ghosting that's happening so as one image is being replaced with the other yeah the pixel that's responding to change to the other color isn't responding fast enough so you get this ghosting that overlaps itself too sure this is an LED and you can just it's just much crisper and that's that's a better thing so it's gonna be good for like high motion picture right so like maybe we if you're watching sports or playing a fast-paced game where ghosting is more perceivable perceived yes okay also showing that led as the sort of you know still looking to o LED as the monitor panel technology of the future it's going to bring a lot of cool stuff o LED has been getting sort of a bad rap because it is it is susceptible to burning yeah but with the right technology and the monitors that are being coming out which also fault as mentioned in the article they have confirmed that there are a bunch of there's a bunch of monitor companies working on LED gaming displays but LED displays can have a response a great a great response time of about 0.1 milliseconds 0.1 it's versus like just one or two good fast IPS is maybe five milliseconds and maybe two to three milliseconds if you're talking gutter ones are like if you get into the TN range but then you sacrifice color depths and stuff like that so I guess just want to show that because I thought it was a good side by side demonstration and also hopefully you know a forward-looking thing that LED displays in the future will be awesome I love me some deeper black so yeah trying to get back to that to that response time that CRTs you to have used to have and maybe finally convincing some of these CRT users who still cling to that too to move to something else but it has to be something better all right whatever course I have a new segment I have one more segment and its new I'm excited I've made a lower third for it it's called axed axed that what that's about it's about axes do we do we take a look and review different axes for what happens I'm it's like a lumberjack just I like it I gonna I like my little shorter nice you gotta yeah we asked big axe there i I'm an accident like your heads ready Paul I recently converted to axe don't assume not this is not at all associated with extra body by the way identify sponsor or anything identify his axe yeah talisman X now axis is we're talking about things that have been ended ended cuff axed starting with cart Anna got it huge Microsoft Cortana and Windows 10 is getting the axe man late is finally splitting their search and voice assistant as can be clearly seen in this mspaint demonstration here from Engadget the search bar now is separated from Cortana Cortana is over here by itself Cortana will pop up every time you do a search and be like I want to cry tenderize your search and you'd be like carte Anna I told you when I installed Windows 10 yeah I don't want you snooping around and following me and reporting back to what I'm going to do it anyway fucker so that's cool Microsoft has been working on improving the search function because let's face it that's one of the primary functions of the operating system that people tend to appreciate I know the search function with Windows 7 something I used all the time I could hit the Windows key and start typing in most of them like whatever I wanted and usually find what I wanted to get to pretty quickly right Windows 10 has varied in its efficacy at doing that type of thing sure but perhaps this is the beginning of getting it back to that Windows 7 functionality right this update should go live for everyone in the next major windows update that is planned for April no word on if it's going to be called creators up to the what are they gonna the youtubers update they need to come up with fancy like YouTube creative names for all their windows updates if they really want people to embrace them I still won't but yet Microsoft has also expressed some interest in integrating Cortana as a I forget the word it's it's like Alexa and Google assistants like a smarter systems like an assistants assistant it's like a plug in choices in short oh they are trying to still keep it as a thing that way sure that it would be a a supplement to Google assistance or Alexa rather than a standalone competitor right so you can use like either/or like you could you like some would be what do you mean like a like big but it seems to be a you being Alexa have Cortana you know do a bunch of see if she's got a network of duplicate systems that have to that you can't just go through one person now yeah it's like playing telephone Google assistants but what happens if you're like it's like playing telephone I'm here Alexa tell Cortana to tell Google or Tana tell Cortana to tell Alexa to tell Google assistant to turn on the lights and then like I don't know it starts your laundry machine or some shit oh fuck sorry and I dropped the ball there I apologize for calling to Alexa I don't have any Alexa or Google devices so you have any Google devices really I mean my phone speaker now they're very handy very handy when you're listening to music and stuff I mean your phone does the same thing but it doesn't sound as good and it's just I haven't gotten to the point where I'm like I need that yeah you don't need it no one know who needs Google assistant it's to me obvious that it's sitting there recording the whole time wish which granted but you can turn the mic up doing you can I know you alright funny story though have a beer yeah you may in fact I'm forcing you to heaven here funny story though this is a great beer up story overfilling beer the other day actually just this week wifey sauce was in our room we have a fan that run it's like a Dyson fan to cool the room when we're sleeping at night we like the white noise and stuff and she walked through the room the other day and the fan was on and she said okay G Google turn off the fan and she was like why isn't it working and little bit she and then she quickly realized it's not a smart enabled fan it's just a regular fan you need to plug the fan into a smart plug and when she told me that story I was like I've never been so disappointed in us as a society and also in Dyson for not having a smart fan smart hateful dumb fan I thought it was funny I thought I wasn't funny so you know you can just get the parish trip with the smart plug and then you just seek of course right yeah I don't think even I don't think wifey sauce even knows those exists so I mean she's she could have created that whole idea that's the beer update this is a bourbon fans supply to beer it is who sent this in fan this was number one fan in the mail time we did John Doe earlier in December police are still remaining though so this is from magnify Brewing Company from New Jersey yep Joisey and this is reason this is called through the use of technology which was very appropriate Imperial stuffed with maraschino cherries vanilla coconut and hazelnut Kyle has already been drinking this it's really good said it's pretty taste to be fair he sent me the fan also sent us some double IPA which I was not a fan of I don't know if it just came flat it tasted very flat and I'm very hoppy flavor wasn't all there not my favorite but so I was really skeptical to try this from the same brewery very very pleasantly surprised they've been are these super redemptions Red Dead Redemption super in red probably shouldn't be drinking a second one because it's 11 freakin percent but when in Rome no that is just tasty okay all right what next moving on with X so I can finish my half of the show yeah machinima did you hear about this machine yeah I did I'm a cinema sorry headphone users sorry sorry headphone users machinima it was sort of a conglomerate YouTube channel they had a bunch of different creators that worked for them and just this past week the channel has been basically scrubbed scrubbed if you go to the machinery they went down a YouTube channel it's so dark all the videos are gone and it's just a wasteland of this kind of thing with the YouTube thing where I'd like the video is not actually there's very very sad but they got bought up didn't they yeah so they had there were seven plus years of videos on machinima a variety of creators involved a lot of those creators left over the years and went on and did their own things there's a few of them I followed from from time to time I can't claim to have been a huge longtime fan of machinima but I've definitely been very aware of their existence for a very long time of course one of the oldest biggest YouTube channel networks ever so most of the videos on the channel have now been set to private so they are unplayable they did not notify anyone not the creators of the original videos themselves or the users of the channel that this content was going away a bit of the history as Kyle was referring to machinima was acquired in 2016 about three years ago by Warner digital networks warner digital networks was then bought by AT&T two years later in the summer of 2018 the channel was then shuttled over to full screen since they were bought by AT&T cuz 18t owns full screen right colored me and Kyle surprising I had no idea they were both murdered with we're both partnered with full screen so we're both partnered with 18t now we're both you can hear a pin drop what is it think that's good that goes a little far away far way too far back AT&T 18t our logo looks like the Death Star I don't know I don't know else to say seeing that internal it so anyway fullscreen is serviced as is is operated by otter media arter media quoted in this Engadget article said we're focused on creating new content with the machinima team which will be distributed on new channels to be announced in the coming months the meantime the Machinima network of creator channels continues to showcase the talents of the network as part of this focus on new content we have pivoted from distributing content on a handful of legacy operated channels so that's a corporate speaker it really is basically we've cancelled all these creators that you used to watch yeah we in the way they're saying we've had favorite videos they're gone we axed him yeah we asked a bunch of people but we've pivoted from distributing content on a handful of legacy operated channels let's just phrase it in a way that sounds professional and confusing enough to trick the average Joe so they don't know that we're really just saying axing all these fuckers I just have to imagine they're not a lot you know at some level there's a business decision that's being made here and someone's told like look this is all their this is our plans for the future and from their perspective they must look at it like the existing stuff that's there somehow two tracks from what we want to do in the future and then like that that's the only logical explanation I can come it's interesting to me is that they they felt it was necessary to privatize seven years worth of videos and like like that's how far away the current machinima was from their vision was I think they had to completely start from a clean slate they couldn't just leave those videos up and just like no one would give to in my opinion no one would give two shits or even notice if they just started adding different types of videos to the channel people just be like oh this is the type of content they're creating now whether they agree with it or not this is what it is but somehow they felt the need to just privatize seven years worth of videos and and start fresh which is weird to me maybe there's some legal thing there and they didn't want those videos to be monetized anymore or like generate any revenue just to monetize them is there's videos I'm sure that people are like really bummed out they can't watch anymore on machinima and I'm sure there's plenty of content that was still getting views even years later of course we're going back to it or you know for whatever reason so yeah I don't understand this decision but machinima you know four went out for the homies and we're sorry for any of the creators who you know who enjoyed the content there I hope they backed it up in the in themselves this was the first time I personally had looked at something had been like right I upload all of my videos to YouTube I also have all of my final renders like every video that I've rendered are all saved personally it could really I wanted to and I'm this is the first time I'm like yeah that's a good policy for to do that because you know who knows yeah we don't own YouTube and at some point so they could decide like we're shutting all this stuff off right as of whatever stupid reason they come up with but yeah well we'll fight well fight tooth and nail before we let that happen damn oh damn right exactly a lot of that quick I've got a fight a lot of fight left in me one last story here for axed Star Wars game being developed by EA I like I like Star Wars YouTube granted can be a little oversaturated now that any Disney owns the IP in there they're pushing it hard but actually kind of like that there is no Star Wars movie this year I feel like that kind of it was kind of like a breath of fresh air it's following the way of Marvel like having like a New Avengers every year or like you know a new Marvel movie there's just okay yeah just good enough getting a bit too much so it's no cash grab you know for whatever reasons they've eased up on it and we're not gonna go into that but Star Wars games historically especially if you go back to before they were licensing to EA and and other companies like that they were often quite nice sure Knights of the Old Republic range another one there's a very love very beloved and there were many different Star Wars games LucasArts is often very forthright in allowing their IP to be used in different ways but they've had more exclusive contracts with various companies more recently sure EA has proven that they really should not be trusted with Star Wars and this is just further evidence of that this game has been in development development for quite a while was being developed by EA Vancouver a Vancouver's a pretty large studio they supports a variety of EA Games including FIFA and Battlefront they've been working on this open-world Star Wars game since October 2017 that was when EA bought and then closed visceral games prior to that visceral games who developed games like the dead space horror series had been developing its own Star Wars game which is codenamed ragtag which was a linear action adventure game directed by uncharted director Amy Hennig I haven't played the tenets of Uncharted games they're good but the ones that I have played have been quite entertaining they're very good so that association makes me think like that is some problem what's the word I'm looking for some possibilities there yeah yeah now when EA Vancouver took over visceral it rebooted this Star Wars project entirely keeping some of the art assets but transforming it into an open-world game so they kind of changed the game they kind of rebooted it they kind of started over but now that project is also canceled and that's what the article here is covering EA Vancouver's now-cancelled open-world Star Wars game was codenamed Orca it was very early in development since they rebooted it obviously they didn't go with what visceral was originally working on but it involved playing as a scoundrel or bounty hunters like a han Solo type character who could explore various open-world planets and work with different different factions across the Star Wars universe sound sounds like a reasonable premise for a game could be interesting but when EA's top decision makers looked at their roadmap for the next few years they decided that they needed something earlier than the planned release date for Orca according to people familiar with what happened so they canceled work and favorite in favor of a smaller scale Star Wars project that's now aimed for a much sooner likely late 2020 which also just happens to be around the time that the next-gen consoles are supposed to launch ahh so EA was like roadmap we want a Star Wars title launching along with the next gen consoles presumably according to the article this star wars games that they're currently developing sounds very cool but I'm gonna take way too long you know the they're gonna try to develop a game with depth right and an immersion and you know attention to detail subs we want something that we can ship along with the launch of these consoles therefore that we want some crap where you can shit out and six months yes I mean just give it to some like mobile game variant or something like that you want clash of clans but just skin with Star Wars shakes out so can you do that the only silver lining to this article is that they did not actually fire anyone from the studio from EA Vancouver so they get to keep their job that is positive and they've just been shifted over working on different stuff yeah but open-world Star Wars game that was in development is now gone that's been axed along with all the other stuff that's been axed axed you just been axed you know it's kind of look at that ax is a bittersweet feeling this this segment because any any topic or any IP that you bring up honest on this segment I can instantly just not care about or listen listen about how or be invested in because I know you know it's gonna be axed said it's gonna be axed right from the get-go thanks plants Paul that's such a good cycle to coincide very nicely with oh joy depending on the guys that wraps it up for my half thank God I update Hardware number 175 and to burn a hole in that urinal side a where do you continue on Kyle's half of the show once he's taken a piss oh yeah so a link to that is in the video description if you're watching this on youtube also down in the comments is usually timestamps which if you watched at this point in the video is probably completely useless to you but true we'd 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