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are just still images because I do not actually have this GPU in hand I do have the founders editions of the 2080 and 2080 TI which Nvidia provided to us for viewers when those launched but the founders Edition 27 TS are supposed to cost $600 whereas the entry-level price for an RT X 27 T is $500 NVIDIA hasn't sampled any of the founders Edition cards to the press to my knowledge at least so what you're gonna see today from myself as well as other viewers is eerily similar videos where anyone who's reviewing a higher-end card like this MSI RT X 2070 gaming Z will also be required to cover a $500 version of this card like the msi RT X 2070 armor and everyone will be using aftermarket GPUs rather than Founders editions I think NVIDIA made this decision for a very specific purpose and that is to make sure that as we reviewers are showing you price to performance graphs we will take the $500 price into consideration as opposed to only talking about the higher end price for the founders Edition like we did with the arc GX 20 ATT I launched most reviewers for that launch myself included use the founders Edition price of $1200 to show the value proposition because that's supposedly what you can actually buy one for at least if you can find a 20 atti in stock for what it's worth though today I tested both of these cards so I will be sharing bow sets of numbers the overclock from the manufacturer gaming Z as well as the base clock set of numbers from the armor I did want to point out this requirement though because we actually rarely get rules or restrictions placed on how we do reviews as independent review outlets so this was a different way of doing things from my experience with Nvidia in the past if the upshot is that there are actually Archie X xx 70s widely available for $500 on the retail launch day which is in two days on the 18th I'm okay with it but we will have to wait and see if that is actually the case either way I wanted to let you guys know what's going on let's quickly cover some of the basic stats for the RT X 2070 though if you watch the 20 80 and 20 atti launch then you'll probably already be familiar with some of the tech the RT X 2070 is based on the tu 106 GPU for Nvidia which is built on touring architecture that means it features tensor cores for hardware based AI acceleration and now also rate racing or RT cores for hardware accelerated real-time rate racing given the timing of this launch which is the same week that the Intel 99 K launches if you guys didn't notice and the lack of software that actually supports these new technologies as far as demonstrating and benchmarking them I will not be testing AI R rate racing today instead focusing on my gaming comparison tests that I used for the 28th ETI launch and showing you how these cards stack up in those tests we should see a benefit in my testing from the Turing architectural change to an independent integer data path though which allows integer and floating-point operations to run concurrently which should boost asynchronous compute performance more specifically though when compared to the RT X 2080 the RT X 2070 has 2304 cuda cores versus the 2080s 2944 it still has the same 8 gigabyte configuration of 14 gigabits per second GD dr6 memory on a 256 bit bus and it does have a TDP that's a bit lower at 175 watts for the standard edition 185 watts for the founders Edition versus the 28 est DPS of 215 and 225 watts for the standard and founders Edition one last thing I wanted to say before we get into the benchmarks is that the - 7 D GPUs from Nvidia have for a very long time been in the 350 to 450 dollar range with great bang for the buck performance and a worthy entry to the high end GPU market range that could you could claw your way up to buy your pennies even if you didn't have that much money to work with but they're just not any more 500 to 600 dollars is a big jump in base price and while there may be some justification from invidious point of view due to lack of competition from radion it just kind of sucks that this card is so much less accessible to so many potential PC builders due to the price increase especially when you compare it to the place in the market that the GTX 970 and gtx 1070 set at so if you look at these prices and you don't want that thought to depress you you just have to kind of remind yourself that the 2070 is more of a replacement for the gtx 1080 not the gtx 1070 and i don't really see that changing until we have new high end graphics cards from AMD to compete with these onto the benchmarks though and due to extreme lack of time this week i'm using my existing 20 ATT i launch review suite of software and games and benchmark results that you can play right now and these include a mix of DirectX 11 and DirectX 12 titles a test system that I am using is right here and it is fairly small it's got an Intel Core i7 8700 k-6 core 12 threads CPU at 4.6 gigahertz with a 4.8 gigahertz turbo on one or two cores at once Nasus ROG Strix is e 370 - I gaming motherboard which is small but powerful a G scale flare X kits of 16 gigabytes of ddr4 memory 2 by 8 gigs that's running at casa latency 14 and i've got a crier rig h7 cpu cooler on top with two noctua NF a 12 X 25 PWM fans 120-millimeter fans and push-pull and then for storage I mean SSD operating system drive is a samsung 960 pro nvme m2 512 gig SSD my comparison cards are the asus rog Strix gtx 980ti 11 gig overclocked version the asus rog Strix Radeon Vegas 64 8 gigs of HBM - on that one also overclocked and the EVGA GTX 10 80 for the win - which has gddr5 X and us also manufacturer overclocked and now let's take a look at the benchmarking numbers themselves the key comparison here I think is going to be between the RT X 2070 and the GT x 1080 since those are supposedly around the same price when it comes to what's available right now I first s here is 3d mark firestrike ultra 4k tests and here we have an overall score as well as the graphics score the graphics score is probably a little bit more important and here I want to point out the big jump that the gaming Z gets and that's due to the frequency that it's getting at we'll talk about that when we get to the end of the benchmarks numbers but got a nice 500-point boost here and that allowed it to catch up to and overtake the 1080 for the win - next up is 3dmark times pi this is a DirectX 12 test and here I think we can see the asynchronous compute performance of the new twenty series actually showing through as even the base clock version scored 83 92 in the graphics test which is a nice boost up over the overclock to GT X 1080 score of 75 76 also worth noting that while these numbers are pretty impressive compared to the Vegas 64 and the GTX 1080 it's still well back of the 1080 Ti as well as the 2080 and 2080 TI's performance next up is VR mark blue room a VR specific test and here the 27 t both the armor and gaming Z performed very well scoring 2600 and 3,000 respectively a very nice jump up over the GTX 1084 the win to VR can provide a unique challenge to some GPUs depending on the software being tested of course but it's nice to see the 20 series excelling in this test next is ashes of the singularity escalation also DirectX 12 affectionately known as ashes of the benchmark because no one actually plays this game it's only used for benchmarks but still a good test and we can see that with the overclocked speed of the MSI gaming Z it was able to catch up to and overtake the 1080 for the win - and here's where we can see that where the Eternity does win actually it might be just a clock speed differential there and by overclocking at 2070 you can catch up moving over to 2560 by 1440 and we have a dead heat between the 2070 MSI gaming Z and the EVGA GTX 1080 for the 1/2 they scored exactly the same which is rare but that shows you that in some tests were pretty much evenly matched between these two cards and then finally for 1920 by 1080 we do see the GTX 1080 for the win - pulling ahead but it's really just by about 1 frame per second our next test is rise of the Tomb Raider this is our last DirectX 12 test and I'm not using shadow of the Tomb Raider just yet but it will switch to that soon at 4k the 2070 gaming Z wins once again with an average frame rate of 47 fps that beats up to 1080 for the 1/2 with a frame rate of 40 point 8 although again both of these cards are staying well behind the 1080 TI so if you are considering a higher ends $600 + twenty seventy then the ten atti becomes even more of a compelling alternative at 2560 by 1440 the lead increases even more with a average frame rate of eighty nine point eight frames per second for the 2070 gaming Z and then finally at 1920 by 1080 we do become a little bit more CPU bound so it does even add a little bit more about once again the gaming Z wins with a hundred and twenty nine point three next up is GTA v testing in 4k at 3840 by 2160 the 2070 MSI gaming Z comes in at 65 frames per second the armor dropping in at 61 fps just a little bit behind and then the 1080 for the 1/2 coming in with 56 frames per second if we jump over to 1440 it evens out just a little bit but the gaming Z wins once again with an average frame rate of about 21 frames per second again we're still behind the 1080 TI and 2080 founders Edition which are up in the 140 FPS range but if we move over to 1920 by 1080 everything evens out as we become a little bit more CPU bound and we're all scoring around 150 frames per second here's total war Warhammer to at 4k we are running the campaign benchmarking sequence and the 27t armor in gaming Zr within a few frames of each other at 44 and 41 frames per second respectively again this is still well behind the 20 80 and 20 atti but just edges out the GTX 1080 for the win - at 2560 by 1440 we have more of the same with an average frame rate of 75 frames per seconds for the MSI gaming Z r-tx 2070 is still well behind again the max score of the 20 atti founder's Edition which got up to 113 so you do still get a nice boost from the 28 ETI here of course it does cost twice as much so I guess you get what you pay for at 1920 by 1080 we again have the overall frame rates evening out just a little bit as at lower resolutions we do become a little bit more CPU bound battlefield 1 is next at 4k we were getting 66 average frames per second with the MSI gaming Z so well over 60 frames per second even the 1% lows we're only at 56 so if you're on a standard 4k 60 Hertz monitor the 2070 should get you by with battlefield 1 moving over to 2560 by 1440 we have a hundred and 20 average frames per second so maybe a 1440 high refresh rate monitor is also a nice pairing for an RT X 2070 at least on a slightly better budget than the RT X 2080 and then finally at 1920 by 1080 we 159 average frames per second 151 average frames per second for the slightly lower clocked msi armor RTX 20 70 and both of these again beat out the 1080 for the wind to our final test is overwatch and this is on epic settings with 100% render scale remember overwatch has a lot of scaling and graphics options so you can get better frame rates than what I'm showing you here with these graphics cards by just tweaking those a little bit but if you want the maximum eye candy you'll get about 82 frames per second at 4k with an overclocked r-tx 2070 such as the MSI gaming Z if you jump to 2560 by 1440 this is actually a great solution again for a high refresh rate monitor such as a 120 Hertz 144 Hertz option you're getting a hundred and 60 average frames per second and only dipping down to a hundred and thirty-eight for the 1% lows and finally if you want max frame rates you're getting about 220 to 240 frames per second with an RT X 2070 depending on the clock speed of course here that's still well below but you can get with a maxed out 2080 founders Edition or a 1080 TI for example but still well over what you would need for any reasonably specs high refresh rate 1920 by 1080 monitor here's a chart comparing the frequencies of the different GPUs as testing the base and boost clock as listed from the manufacturer as well as the max testing frequency and then the average testing frequency while the GPU is under load and actually had some heat built up in it so you can actually see a really big jump from the msi armor to the MSI gaming Z here going from that boosts clock of 1620 with the armor all the way up to 1830 over 200 megahertz boost with the gaming Z that is potentially something you could do on your own I'm not overclocking in this video here but MSI makes afterburner overclocking software and you should be able to go in and just turn up the GPU frequency of this card here you might be limited based on the performance of the cooler or the ASIC quality of the GPU itself but it is worth noting that if you're willing to do a little bit of overclocking you can save yourself a hundred bucks overclock this GPU and probably get a lot closer to the performance of this GPU here that said and something I'm not sure about but hopefully we'll be covering gray soon in the future I'm not sure if there are actually different GPUs for the base frequency versions of these that are not allowed to be a manufacturer overclocked and the manufacturer overclocked versions and if there's any significant ASIC quality between those that would indicate that yes you do need to spend more if you want to get max frequency or yes you can spend less and just overclock this and get yourself if not the same frequency something that's in the ballpark I don't get too distracted with that though because I didn't actually overclock these for right now so let's just talk about the frequencies they're running at the gaming Z hit 1995 megahertz max frequency whereas the armorer hit 1860 over a hundred megahertz less and then the actual frequency that they were running at was about 1950 so pretty close to two gigahertz on the gaming Z and then 1710 on the armorer so as I mentioned at the beginning of the video you'll notice a pretty big jump in performance with the gaming Z but you could easily narrow that gap with the armor by taking it and overclocking it a little bit I just can't speak to how good of an overclocker these base level cards are when it comes to power draw though you actually do draw a decent amount more power when you're running at the higher frequency we saw an average power drop 274 watts with the armor whereas that average jumped up about 50 watts at 328 was the gaming Z so you do lose a little bit of efficiency there and trade-off for the added performance and then finally for temperatures the coolers did seem to do a pretty good job we hit 68 degrees Celsius max on the armor and 69 degrees Celsius max on the gaming Z so I would also indicate the both of these cards have some potential overclocking Headroom in the future especially the armor and finally here's the money shot the TLDR slide for those of you who just want the overall performance this is it weighted against the GTX 1080 or using that as a baseline with 100% of z-score we have 103 percent performance from the r-tx 2070 msi armor and then 10 percent more with the 2070 MSI gaming Z and then up from there the 2080 is 27% faster and so on also here you can see the prices that I've chosen for these cards which I tried to base on prices that are currently available for cards that are roughly the same ballpark as the ones I was testing and here if we're looking at price versus performance we can see the standouts are gonna be the GTX 1080 and then the $500 version of the r-tx 2070 $600 version is still on there too but it is kind of outshined by it's less expensive little girl and finally just to boil things way down I took the performance and the price and I did a little math and I came out with the points per dollar number here so 200 points is what your 1084 500 bucks gets and here we can see that the 27 TMSI armor is giving us just a little bit more value with 206 points gtx ten atti is also a standout with 191 so that's showing that even with the price still at 700 dollars the ten atti is still coming out as a value proposition amongst this batch of high end graphics cards going further down the list we can see we lose more and more value as we go to the 2070 the Vegas 64 and then of course the 2080 and 28 eti so ultimately the closest competitor of the r-tx 2070 is well not the r-tx 2080 that is the gtx 1080 and the gtx nae has been all over the place in terms of pricing so please bear in mind for my price to performance numbers there things do fluctuate so I can't account for all of that but the fact is if the our TX 2070 was launching at the same price or even the ballpark same price as the gtx 1070 launched at two years ago which was $400 maybe a little over $400 I'd be telling everyone to buy this card it's what you want it's got stuff for the future technology ray-tracing and everything even though we can't test that yet I'd be like we'll buy it because it's a good value and then you'll have that technology once the software becomes made available for it at the price of 500 or $600 it becomes so much more muddied and so much more confusing to try to give you guys good advice on what you should do and in fact it becomes much more of the same story that we told with the RT X 2080 when it launched which is this is insanely overpriced and you have to very seriously consider a 10 80 TI by comparison and what that costs speaking of cost just somewhat anecdotally for this video here is what you can get a 10 80 TI for right now around $700 that's still pretty expensive and those prices have come back up from what they were before if you're looking at the gtx 1070 or ten 70 TI well though start at three hundred and sixty dollars ten seventy TI you can get for three hundred and eighty-five dollars and the cheapest ten eighty I found was only four hundred and forty dollars to be fair he is also a look at Radeon 8:56 --is which are currently starting around 420 to 440 dollars vega 64's started $500 but ultimately this it's just a very difficult recommendation to make I think right now so I will say with the prices of the GTX 10 70s that's probably still my go to right now for a nice balance of excellent performance as well as a price that isn't going to take you up into the $600 plus range the 2070 is a viable option and it's maybe a little bit more of a viable price to performance option than say the 2080 is but it's still very expensive and I'd say you still are having to rely a little bit on that potential future performance of ray tracing and AI which you can't really validate for sure right now so I think the final question is going to be for these entry-level $500 versions of the cards that the manufacturers cannot ship to you manufacturer overclocked how will they overclock is it really going to be held back very much is there a significant difference between the ASIC quality of the overclock from the manufacturer versions and the entry-level versions and that information is information I do not have to share with you right now and even if I did it would be somewhat anecdotal because I only have one of these to test but I'll come back to that in the future I think for now you do get all-around solid performance with the RT X 2070 definitely an edge up versus the GTX 1080 and DirectX 12 titles as well as VR and 4k gaming but only slights and maybe not significant enough to warrant the higher price especially when it can get GTX 1080s for 450 bucks right now that's all have to say for this video guys I hope you enjoyed it and definitely thumbs up button if you did and also subscribe because I got more videos coming at you very soon I'm actually immediately going right now to start or continue testing on the 9900 K so I should have a video up for you guys on that very soon and that's all I have for now thank you for watching guys we'll see you 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