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the enter max liquid tech tr4 - all-in-one liquid CPU cooler has a massive contact plate made just for thread Ripper and is rated for 500 watts of heat dissipation high pressure pwm fans mount two rubber channels on the radiator to absorb the vibration and the sexy logo and edge lighting on the block is addressable for syncing with your motherboard it comes with an RGB control box - so click the spots or link in the description for more what's up guys how's it going - welcome to Paul's hardware if you were watching my channel and many of the other tech channels over the past 24 to 48 hours you probably saw lots of coverage on the newly launched Nvidia RT X series of graphics cards which includes the RT X xx 80 and 20 atti available in both defenders Edition directly from Nvidia as well as many third-party variants such as the Asus GeForce r-tx 2080 ti that I have right here the Strix version which has a custom PCB and a 2.7 slot cooler and a newly designed Finn stack and a bunch of stuff like that so apart from all the potential controversy about the prices of these cards and how expensive they are and how Nvidia is only catering to the 1% and everything then another question comes to mind for the pure enthusiasts out there which is just how fast can they possibly be as expensive as it may or may not be is like 1,200 bucks for a 20 atti Founders Edition is it the fastest card possible yes we've already discovered that how fast can it be when it comes overclocking and when it comes to the founders Edition as well as the third-party design so today is gonna be my overclocking video I'm just gonna be overclocking the cards and walking you guys through the process showing a little bit of the software I'll be using but last night I was doing some testing for this video gamers nexus happened to be doing a live overclocking stream at the same time and I thought oh how convenient I will check that out and then I brazenly tweeted a screenshot of my fire strike extreme tests the graphics test specifically because Steve was trying to break they score of 7400 in that I didn't break 7400 but I got well above 70 300 tweeted to him haha Steve because he was still wallowing in the 7200 range at that point of course immediately after I tweeted his run that he was doing right at the time broke 7400 and proved that I have very poor timing in my choice to call Steve out for not being able to overclock his card as much as I had so apart from the overclocking itself I do have a goal to break 7,400 as well as to potentially beat Steve's score which I believe this top score with fire strike extreme graphics test was 7432 so if I can do that then yay I win if not then I guess I'll have to tweet to Steve and let him know that he wins he was using the EVGA version of the 28 ETA I believe the SC version so that said I think I need to level the playing field a little bit here because this is my test system which I built in order to be portable because I wasn't sure if I was gonna need to benchmark while I was traveling through Europe as a result I have a mini ITX motherboard and I have a cooler that's very good as a low profile cooler but not as good as it could be which means I'm not running my processor at the 8700 K and as high of a frequency I'm running at between four point six and four point eight gigahertz depending on how many cores are being used I'm gonna see if first I can swap out my cooler here maybe improve the cooling just a bit so I can run at five gigahertz which is what Steve was running at so for that I'm just gonna swap in this cry rig h7 alright guys I've got the testbed reconfigured Claire rig h7 on top not the quad Lumi because we've already got enough mismatched color stuff going on because I put a couple not two of fans on there so we got push-pull these are the Noctua a 12 X 25 pwm fans so some of the best fans you can get for pressure environments such as with an air cooler I wasn't quite able to hit 5 gigahertz caps blue screening there this might be because of the motherboard it might just be because my 87 under K doesn't want to hold that high of a frequency I was able to hit 4.9 though we're not getting too hot up into the mid-80s while testing and I managed to run time spy extreme to get a baseline run with the 28 e TI founders Edition at stock speeds and we hit 6565 o 1 is our current score and it looks like our GPU clock hit about 1800 max although in my testing for the video I posted yesterday we were running around 1740 to 1750 well under load with it for an extended period of time that said though let's actually try out some overclocking here we're going to be using the EVGA precision x1 utility which does have the fancy new stuff integrated into it for example we've got a temperature tuner here where you can set a couple different inflection points what I'm gonna do here with the temperature tuner is just set everything to max so I'm scrolling that over the right 87 degrees is the max temperature limit for the 20 80 and 20 atti if it hits that frequency before with previous versions of GPU boost it would drop it all the way down to the base clock now they'll drop it to an interim frequency before it drops it further if temperatures aren't getting better but in this case since I'm trying to max the card out I'm just gonna push everything to right and say let the card get as hot as it can go up to that limit before it throttles anything we have fan speed curves here available as well I'm going to bypass those in favor of just setting a really high fan speed so we can again just try to see what the max frequency we can achieve is and here is scanner which is the new utility that NVIDIA has integrated and it's starting to be integrated into third-party overclocking software such as EVGA is precision x1 I believe MSI just rolled out afterburner a beta version of that that has this included as well although I haven't tried it out and then here is the main page where you do overclocking so you can add frequency to the memory in the top left here that you can add frequency to the clock via and set up here I'm actually gonna punch in a hundred to give us a hundred point offset on the clock frequency there's a voltage slider here and according to many people gamers Nexus as well as their interview with Tom Peterson this is still in many ways a placebo slider it doesn't really do a whole lot according to Tom Peterson there is voltage Headroom but the cards are capable of we don't know exactly how much that is it is locked down by a video to some degree the voltage slider is supposed to open up that Headroom but the cards only going to use the extra volt voltage if it decides it needs it and in my testing yesterday as well as what I've seen so far from reviews you're much more likely to hit the power limit of the card before it actually needs the extra voltage which is why this voltage slider doesn't do anything speaking of that power target though that is right here and for this card for the reference Edition founders Edition cards we can do 123 the Asus card will be able to hit 125 we get a whole extra two percentage points of power there and I in my opinion the reason Steve was able to beat me is the EVGA cards were able to ramp that power limit all the way up to 130 so who knows if there's gonna be a maybe an updated v bios or something about that will allow me to do that in the meantime now we're just gonna set this power limit to max hit apply and then I'm just pulling up gpu-z here this is the new version that just launched yesterday also I'm by the way using the newest version of the Nvidia drivers for 11.6 3 that also launched yesterday along with the launch of the graphics cards but the GPU clock as you can see plus a hundred points brought it from 1350 to 1450 for the base boost clock is also reflected down there and for now I'm gonna leave some of these monitoring utilities up well I run this benchmark one more time and we're just doing the GPU test so we can specifically try to beat Steve score with just a bit of a modest overclock here plus 100 on the GPU not messing with the memory yet and we of course have maxed out the power slider too all right we have our first successful overclocked test and I must admit here that my CPU overclock is being a little unstable again probably a motherboard limitation I'll hopefully fix that in the future but I did add a little bit more a voltage in order to maintain that stability because we blue-screen two in the first test but we got through an extreme custom run for just a graphics core and we scored 6864 and just two rear efference my overclock settings here haven't touched the memory yet we got plus 100 on the GPU we maxed out the voltage slider placebo we've got how 223 or max on the power target and I did bump the fans up I think I forgot to mention that fans are running at 81% speed so they are a bit more noisy now I hope that's not picking up on my mic too much but let us proceed with some additional overclocking what I would normally do and I'd normally advise you to do is take your GPU clock and bump it by increments of maybe 20 or 25 megahertz and rerun the tests I'm gonna jump all the way up to 175 here simply because I have done a bit of pre testing in order to determine sort of the ballpark range I'm going to aim for I'll stick with that I will hit apply double-checking gpu-z down here to make sure that that is reflected in there and then we can jump in and run another test bollocks alright guys as typically happens when you're doing overclocking I am running into some issues with instability here and there and I think this is mainly because I was trying to overclock my CPU because many people were running either 8700 K's overclocked or 8086 K's overclock at 5 gigahertz either my CPU or the motherboard is having a difficult time maintaining that so as of now I'm at 4.8 gigahertz across all cores there's a bit higher frequency than I was running for my general tests for the twenty eighty and twenty atti at launch but definitely a little bit slower than what some others have run for this most recent test i also cranked the fan speed up to 91% which is what you've been maybe hearing right now I just turned that back down so you could hear me a little bit better now the original clock speed I tried have a hundred and eighty didn't work the tests failed so I bumped that down to 170 and then 150 was still failing there interestingly enough I ran the scanner utility on this when I was prepping for my initial video and I decided to leave overclocking out of that and it gave me a recommended overclock of plus 148 even though I failed the test at 150 I dialed in plus 148 and that ran successfully just now and saved a score of six thousand nine hundred and sixty four which is again up from the last test you ran of 6864 and of course from the baseline of around sixty five hundred now this might be a very good indication that the scanner utility in here is actually somewhat functional again I'm not going to deal with that much right now but I think for the time being I can call this our max clock on this particular GPU which is plus one forty eight when it comes to the clock speed max frequency it was hitting was 2040 megahertz although while running the test I imagine it was dipping down a little bit below that probably in the 1900 range I'm not running these actively so I can't show you that right now but from there I'd move on to overclocking the memory and most people who did overclocking with the launch reviews yesterday we're achieving about plus 800 on the memory so again normally I would start out a little bit lower than that and work my way up before but for the time being I'm going to add our plus 800 we should see that reflected on the memory frequency listed over here and from there we can go ahead and run our benchmark again to see if that improves our score so this test what the memory cranked up actually forgot to re increase the fan speed but let me point out why that actually didn't matter in this test because for one our max temperature was only 76 degrees Celsius so that's is prior to the maximum throttle points and also if we look at the performance cap reason here as it slowly goes away on my tech power up histogram its power the power limitation is what is causing this graphics card to not run at a higher frequency for longer to not draw more power overall and this is one of the limitations that really there's not a whole lot that you can do about unless you have a manufacturer overclock card with software that allows you to increase that power limit beyond what it's at so I think at this point because we did have a successful test we scored 71 16 which is pretty good but without being able to increase that GPU clock speed higher than what I'm at right now I don't think we're gonna get a whole lot more by increasing the memory frequency I might be able to go a little bit more from here but since I got that second card to test this one of course is a third-party manufacturer design with a custom PCB but I know they also redesigned the cooling solution on this card but they also did a new bracket actually a double wide slot bracket that goes down the entire length of the car to prevents GPU sag while that's sitting in the slot and one cool thing about this card is there's an actual surface mount button right here to turn the LEDs off press that button car goes completely dark if you really hate the RGB LEDs Asus root has provided you with a simple way to just get rid of them on the card and you don't need even to get into the operating system and mess with software they've also redesigned the fans they actually have a circular ring around the outside so the fans can spin at a higher rpm while having minimal instability and they redesign the fin stack underneath there if you compare this to the old version of the Strix 10 atti you can just see there's a lot more fins available that the fan is directly pushing against as opposed to the circular bracket that was there before all that said though I'm going to shut down or refresh the driver and switch over to the Asus card and I'll be right back and Rebekah got the easiest card installed did a driver refresh and I have just loaded up times by extremes so that I could get a baseline test running this at its stock frequencies if you're wondering what the stock frequencies are same base clock at 1350 as the reference design or the founders Edition it does have a slightly higher boost clock 1650 megahertz versus 1635 and then of course it might also run a higher frequency over time depending on the temperatures and everything involved but for now we have a baseline score of six thousand six hundred and seventy-eight for this card which is a hundred and seventy seven points higher than the founders Edition card so we are seeing some value to this asus strix version of the card right out of the gate since we theoretically assume it's got a better and beefier cooler on it again that's theoretical because I haven't tested it myself just now but according to Asus it is a better cooler and now we can move back into some more overclocking I'm still using EVGA precision x1 for this asus has their own software as well it's called a GPU tweak and at this point I do not believe it has been updated yet to support the new 20 series cards although I'm sure it will be soon so we're gonna stick with EVGA and again since I've already done a little bit of testing with this card I'm gonna jump up to some settings that I am fairly certain we should be stable at so I'm gonna add 150 points to the clock I'm gonna slide our placebo slider all the way to the right once again I'm going to max out our power and GPU temperatures and again I believe that's because of the V BIOS on this card we can get a little bit more our power slider up 225 now instead of hundred and twenty-three which is what we were limited to but the founders edition card I'm also going to crank up the fan speed let's connect those together I'll just go for 80 right now since you don't want things to get too loud although they are getting to be louder looks like our temp tuner is already maxed out so we'll hit apply and then again here on gpu-z we can see that our GPU base clock has jumped up by a hundred and fifty megahertz as well as our boost clocks so let's go ahead and run the test one more time so here we have a successful initial overclock we jumped from 66 78 to 7099 so some very verified improved performance there and also if we're looking at the GPU frequency we were at 2070 max frequency although again I'm not measuring this while it's running so I can tell you what it's running at stable but who cares about what it's running at long-term all I care about is attempting to beat Steve scores so from here we shall proceed and push our overclock a little bit more so here I'm gonna cheat just a little bit or at least reference some of the testing I was doing last night's which was with this asus strix 20 atti and basically I got a maximum score I was able to break 7400 although I was not able to beat Steve score of I believe 7432 was what he topped out at the settings I was using I was actually a pretty significant memory overclock at 1100 I mean I'm not gonna mess with this yet but the GPU clock frequency that I maxed out at and this was very specific was 178 if I pushed it to 179 or 180 it was crashing out of the program so I believe that's our maximum clock offset everything else was pretty much the same so I'm gonna take these settings at least as far as the GPU frequency goes and plug those in actually let's let's try this to see how accurate that was last night I'm gonna jump to 180 run this test with everything else the same haven't even overclocked a memory yet let's see if I can prove that that is the max GPU frequency that this card is able to hit at least with the current power limitations that are in effect if history is any indicator if this is gonna crash it's gonna happen within the first three or four seconds of the test running right there easily I was able to predict that so again perf of concept just bumping that down to megahertz two megahertz to see if that will make all the difference and back into the test alright here's our overclocked test I was correct that's we were able to run through it smoothly with the plus hundred and seventy eight setting an EVGA precision x1 I would also like to point out that we run in the fans at eighty percent speed but they are keeping things nice and chilly max temperature and the GPU is only 58 degrees Celsius our result though was 71 32 so we have managed to outpace the twenty atti founders edition the max score we got there was 70 116 and that was with the memory offset included too so now that I'm pretty confident that I fit the max GPU frequency that we're gonna hit we can start working on the memory and here I'm gonna jump to a thousand which already is higher than we did before but I was running this memory as fast as 1100 last night so hopefully this will work again here just double-checking gpu-z to make sure that our over clocks have taken effect and let's run the test one more time so we actually had a crash when I first tested this and I was like no I refused to accept it so I just ran the test one more time and we were successful so we have a score of 73 83 guys also I should point out here when it comes to overclocking I'm overclocking to attempt to achieve a specific score with this hardware configuration the way I'm going about this is trying to achieve that high score but this is not the way I would do it if I was talking about something that you want to run long term this is a good way to do it if you're trying to beat that score but after I sort of saw the peak of what I was able to achieve I would always want to dial things back a little bit if I was looking for something I wanted to run 24/7 but with our score here of 73 83 we're just shy of that 7400 mark that Steve was trying to beat yesterday I was able to beat that yesterday again just by one point but we're not quite at my max memory frequency yet either so let me crank that up to 1100 which was where I was before and that's actually how I got that score of 70 401 we'll run it again and then I'll see if any little minor tweaks here and there can help us out at all beyond that because I mean if I can beat Steve I'd be happy to I'm not really expecting to right now because of the way the card is performing but we'll see huh that's so close close is about fair so guys I am one point away I am literally one point away 74 31 is what we've achieved right here which is good that's very good I'm gonna have to say compared to what I was able to hit last night which was 74 oh one I think the increased clock speeds on the CPU probably helping a little bit it is a little bit cooler now than it was last night I'm gonna just just drop a little bit more memory frequency here since that seemed to help us before and I'm gonna see so click minor change I just added 50 more points into the memory run it again and keep our fingers crossed they went down 7411 our score has dropped obviously there's a margin of error for any tests to run I could have run this test with the exact same settings and it could have gone up or down a little bit but when it drops after you increase something might show when you're a cheating diminishing marginal utility or it's just diminishing improved returns from that actual setting let's try something a little different I'm gonna go 1080 I'm gonna set this to 1080 which obviously is a reference to the 10th series of graphics cards which maybe as a secret setting that you can use with this to improve your performance and then we'll run the test again I'm not obsessed at all about beating steep scores alright here comes here comes I did it I beat Steve 74 35 suck on that Steve three points hired right okay I'm waiting for gamers Nexus to inevitably answer this video with probably their water-cooled mod on their 1080 Ti and we'll see how that works out but for now I win with my massive x by extreme graphics score of seven thousand four hundred thirty five the score to beat technically it's already been beaten by quite a few people who have done liquid cool liquid nitrogen cooling and exotic cooling on the twenty eighty TI which has already happened but guys this has just been sort of my first introduction testing out the overclocking capabilities of the 2080 ti it's nice to know that there is some Headroom it's not nearly I'd say the level of headroom that we had with the past generation of cards but you can still get a bit out of it and it's good to show that the third-party designs are at least showing some benefit some improve performance compared to the founders edition although again this will largely significantly depend on the GPU that's in the card that you get the quality of that GPU itself the ASIC quality itself can often determine your overclocking capabilities but if there is one significant reason to upgrade to the third-party manufacturer cards it is that power limit because I think it's pretty evident that increasing the power limit is going to increase the potential overclock that you get for now though thank you so much for watching this video hit the thumbs up if you enjoyed it and everyone go tweak to gamers Nexus f to pay respects ripped yen all that good stuff thanks for watching guys and we'll see you next time