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what's up guys welcome back to Pauls hardware this is my second rise in video where I'm going to be talking about overclocking as well as hopefully some additional coverage on not just the 1800 X which is installed right here but also the 1,700 1,700 X right here and I want to keep this kind of open and just kind of take you guys through my day I'm going to be validating my tests with Grand Theft Auto at 1080 because that's where I saw the biggest amount of disparity and my initial tests that I posted yesterday and I'm also going to be using Cinebench r15 just to validate as we move through if our overclocking is actually getting us additional performance or less performance or if some of the sort of tweaks and changes that have been suggested by AMD and some of the other motherboard manufacturers are actually having much of a significant significant impact i expense the evening last night setting up yet another new test better sort of reconfiguring one of my old ones for the motherboard I have the Asus crosshair 6 hero using the latest bios versions available five seven zero four I'm told there's another BIOS revision probably coming out next week and there have also been micro code updates that AMD is working on so there are updates to a lot of this hardware that has just launched that should theoretically improve performance to some degree now this motherboard has a unique feature with am four boards in that it has a mounting solution not just for a m4 but ATS also managed to do am three months on there as well so because of that I was able to upgrade the cooling solution to a corsair h100 IV to now bear in mind if you guys are planning on doing something like this at home you might want to consider this the backplate which is required for the course for h100 IV to the one that comes with this motherboard is still in a m4 backplate so I was actually forced to take the backplate for a of three for my saber tooth 990 FX revision two in order to actually get that fit on there anyway all that being said make sure you've got the proper backplate so that's definitely doing a better job keeping things cool just in my brief testing I've done so far it's re about good 5 to 10 degrees cooler I'd say to my initial test from yesterday for the graphics card we got an EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 for the win - that's the IC X version so this is overclocked out-of-the-box and am running is over clock speeds these are the same Corsair Vengeance lpx memory kit that's two by eight gigs I'm going to set this to three thousand speed although I refer these initial tests I've just been running it at stock 2133 also did much nicer SSD with this build as a patriot Hellfire four hundred and eighty gig SSD and I have a fresh install of Windows 10 on that like just installed last night said all the windows updates I'm running the latest version of the Nvidia drivers three seven 8.6 six which is available and I think that pretty much rounds things out for the test bed oh that cool the power supply is in course i HX 1000 i and then i also have an extra one terabyte SSD connected via USB 3.0 and that's got a bunch of my games and stuff on it up on the top you can see my results from yesterday and that is what the 1800 x 68 50k and 7700 K this is Cinebench multi-threaded here since is it a bench single threaded here and these are the results multiple tests that I ran in the past week or so GTA 5 at 1080 is where we saw a good 20 frames per second lagging behind for the 1800 X and I've just rerun all of these tests with my updated system here and I found that my numbers went down so this is at stock with the crosshair 6 hero 3.7 and 4.1 gigahertz is what the CPU is running at 3.7 on all cores 4.1 gigahertz when it's doing 1 or 2 cores and I've done none of the optimizations that are recommended by AMD or Asus at this time there's my Cinebench score for multi thread single thread and then even my GTA 5 score drop down from 118 to 105 so I'm not exactly sure what's up with that but let's see if we can improve that that's just a starting-off point so we're going to make things better from there also really quickly wanted to go over some of the stuff that has been sent to me by vendors so I am using ghetto notepad for this but this first one was from AMD that came in a couple days before launch actually happened this is when they recommended that you use Windows high performance power profile profile and that was to make sure that since then my pure power and precision boost technologies have the ability to respond to varying workloads as quickly as one millisecond so the switching time is slower if you're set to balanced and it can take to 30 milliseconds switch between power states so we should set it to high performance that's definitely one thing that we should want to do here's another list of things that AMD sent over again this is direct from AMD this was them addressing some of the information that they were getting about 1080 testing in the gaming performance not being up to snuff what they're saying is that some games don't reflect that as much as others and they wanted to make sure that if you are benchmarking games that aren't performing as well that you maybe get some of the good performing games in there as well as well as well so separately for battlefield 1 the divisions Star Wars Battlefront Assassin's Creed syndicate battlefield hardline overwatch Witcher 3 and Dead Rising for according to AMD aren't going to show as much of a performance deficit in at least in the 1080 testing from what they're saying so I'm not testing any of those results so I'm not going to give it the best run at it in this respect because I'm going to stick with GTA 5 for now but they've also recommended running the latest bios toggling a simultaneous multi-threading on or off making sure that you're set to the high performance plan also a fresh OS image of Windows thankfully I have done that make sure there are non background CPU or temperature frequency tools in the background that's going to be a challenge if we want to actually monitor things while we're doing it but I'll try with and without make sure the system has Windows high precision event timer disabled although when you actually try to use the rise and master software it tells you to turn on high precision event timer so you can't really use rise and master to configure things and high precision event timer at the same time right now which is kind of confusing but hopefully that will be fixed in the future and then they also have a note here about Intel platforms which I don't know honestly I wouldn't really go around to changing my Windows testing configuration to accommodate AMD but there you have it anyway so we're going to try some that stuff and since we already started with most of that turned off let's go ahead and turn some of it on so I want to start out in the BIOS I think for overclocking and I'm going to do what I would probably normally do if I wasn't making a video which hopefully will make for a good video too which is to just go ahead and kind of try to try to max out everything right here from the BIOS we're going to try a do CP 1 which is overclocking profile that Asus does and that is to allow XMP profiles to be used and about so this is just going to dial in the ddr4 3000 timings that the memory is supposed to run at I also did an overclocking preset to extreme Tweaker overclocking presets I'm just messing around with the presets here this is set our BC ok frequency to 112 it'd be fun and then I do want to adjust the voltage here so again I'm going with some settings that are recommended by Asus for this board which is 1.35 volts on the actual vcore we're going to go for 1.2 volts eight one point to bump up the dim voltage to one point three eight five and we'll leave other stuff at ATO all right where what does this get us right now target cpu speed is twenty-six thirty-six point for it's a weird number due to that VC okay and we got going on right neck so let's go to manual CPU core ratio and just did fit here is what the frequency is FF IV is the quartz frequency multiplier the ID is the core frequency divisor so we're just going to continue if I D here and let's set it to set it to a four gigahertz that's high T of 143 that's just nothing can go wrong no idea what I'm doing refresh windows install I'm not running any background CPU temperature freaking schools high precision event timer is disabled I can verify that I know because when I try to actually do rise and master here which I'm not going to leave running by the way we can see when I try to engage a different profile it tells me that HP T is not enabled so I'm just gonna leave that as it is oh and then also of course we must go to our power option power options and high performance is what we want and never never go to sleep computer you stay awake for all time okay that's prob about enough time let's away is it still in single building single core mode none of that all right run see what happens Oh oh dear I think that means it however clock that's table I moon shot failed damn it let's see what I would normally do after something like that happens which is go back to Lou it optimize default will start from square one again and let's just let's just dig through here and try to find the stuff that I think I know what I am doing with that divider should divide divide 40 by 20 and that equals 400 what again the custom CPU core ratio is 2 times the FIP divided by D I D so 2 times 160 is 320 divided by 8 4,000 right I'm sorry not not 4,000 40 times our base clock gives us 4000 mega right that's that that's starting to make some sense to me I don't know why they can't just sustainable two-player but there you go alright performance faster not going to use I've manually set the memory to 29 33 we're just going for 4 gigahertz overclock and then I am going to go back again down here to the voltage and do some manual entry so I could spell it exactly what I wanted to be which is 1.35 for the core voltage 1.2 okay Daniel love first month quake 2 for the SSD voltage and add in voltage read set to one point three eight five there we go everything else going leave it I'll and let's see how this turns out words cool alright so we have booted into the Windows operating system once again which I always considered to be a win after dialing in a new overclock so let's split up Cinebench I have waited just a few moments for everything to settle down as far as system loading up and everything and I am running cpu-z at least at this point because I don't know I don't know if it qualifies as one of the monitoring programs but I did want to verify that yes we are at 4 gigahertz and then the voltage is a little bit higher than I dialed in its gonna about one point four one seven right now but so see how it handles Cinebench preparing the project and I'm still set to one core all right now let's try all course that's probably a little bit more serious well alright just a small change a bump the core voltage setting the BIOS up to one point four one two five so just above one point 4 volts we are now actually getting up above 1.5 according to cpu-z which is high but let's let's see if that changed anything at all going for the 8 core test again a core 16 thread test I should say and I don't know should I keep my hopes up I mean it is it is going does seem to be doing better than before I wish I knew how hot everything was getting the CP the fans certainly are ramping up hey that's an improvement look at that 17:58 success okay so I I'm trying to go for 4.1 gigahertz and I'm probably not going to hit it but I wanted to give it one more shot basically I use the same settings at last time which includes the increased voltage to one point four one to five and I have just bumped up the base clock be CLK to 102 point six which gets me up to four point one gigahertz and a little over 3000 megahertz on the memory and again no idea is it going to work enough but so give it a shot just because I am that curious about the temperatures and everything I'm going to keep rising master up at this point it does have a temperature listing here and it is already quite warm I mean the fact that we're idling around 60 tells me that this probably isn't going to be something we can maintain but you know again if you have liquid cooling or something then maybe it would maybe just be more effective he goes that didn't take long Wow that's not a normal fog either it was just like hey no sorry all right guys if this is functional and the temperatures aren't too crazy bad I'll probably call this as my overclock for my 1800 X again I'm doing this pretty pretty quickly I would normally do much more validation and long-term tests and everything but for the sake of a quick video just to see you guys see what we can get this is where we're at so I have done just a very minor change from that original 4 gigahertz overclock I bumped the base clock up just just ever so slightly like one not shuts up 100 point two which does get us just above 4000 megahertz for CPU frequency and then for the memory we're running at about 29 to 29 40 2950 just a little bit of boost from that be CLK improvement let's hit run here and cross our fingers that we're going to be a reasonable speed core speed does look like it's dipping just a little bit you might see that there again I'm not you strict monitoring software here but you can see the temperature getting pretty warm they're hitting 81 degrees Celsius fans are ramping up you can probably hear them in the background but I'm not seeing too much core speed dipping so that's a good thing and also of course the fact that it hasn't crashed is that's also a good thing so yeah definitely got pretty hot but definitely might not want to run this full-time but um you know those appear to be at least stable for our purposes right now and a score of 1719 there's actually a little bit less than our previous score of 1758 but still still not bad at all and then of course we gotta check GTA 5 with you settings so with that overclocked in place 4 gigahertz overclocked memory at 29 33 at 29 50 ish basically we saw a nice improvement in our grand theft auto scores again this is testing at 1080 I ran through them twice and I'm just averaging all five of the scores from the built-in benchmark about 129 frames per second 129 and a half still not seeing the same full frame rates that we saw with the 68 50k in 77 hundred K but it is good to know that by increasing the clock speed we can get a bit more performance out of the 1800 X and this might also mean that if we can at higher clock speeds with the other Jeep other CPUs 1700 and 1700 X of course being our two options that we have right now or theoretically even say like the risin 5 CPUs that are supposed to still come out if those can go higher frequency since they have lower core counts then we might see better game performance out of them and games where you don't need 8 cores and 16 threads all that said though uh get these out of the box I think I'll start with 2 1700 also a pro tip if you're going to swap out a CPU from a system you've been overclocking with always load optimized defaults first here's the baseline for the 1700 again running its stock it supposed to have a three gigahertz pace and a 3.7 gigahertz boost but I just noticed it was pretty much running at 3.2 gigahertz all the time if I wasn't focused on overclocking I might try to figure out what's going on there but some say I'm overclocking I will just move on in overclock it and run all the cores at a higher frequency we had a 1375 score in Cinebench single that score was 137 and then in GTA 5 at 1080 we got 108 point for average frames per second that's actually a little bit faster than the 1800 X was in my second two tests at least this morning but bear in mind that was without those optimization steps so I'm thinking maybe those optimization steps did have some impact on improving this score although again it's still significantly less than the scores I had in my original test run last week now I will overclock so let's do that beautiful and a nice score - and hey here's your proof that's if you don't want to pay 500 bucks for an 1800 you know pay pay like what around a little over 300 you get a 1700 overclock it to 3.9 and then you're just about a hundred megahertz short of what a 1800 X will be able to do anyway 1685 those next chord and here's the overclock 1700 score and GTA 5 120 5.8 that gives us the final result here for the overclocked 1700 a very nice boost I would say going from the stock frequency up to 3.9 across all cores and again a nice boost in the gaming performance again still not quite matching up with the 1800 X and still fall short of the safety a 50km 7700 UK but again definitely worth it considering the lower cost of the 1700 the guys have jumped ahead a bit I've spared you the stock testing for the 1700 X here are the results though it's a 3.4 gigahertz base clock and 3.8 gigahertz boost clock CP however when I was actually running it XF our extended frequency range was definitely kicking in because it was running at about 3.5 gigahertz base and 3.9 gigahertz loose on a single cork when it was on all cores it was about it was running at 3.5 and also I noticed this in this extra applies to all the tests the crosshair six hero is running a 100 point six base clock when I'm using default settings so that's resulting in slightly higher than the actual numbers to like three point five two or so gigahertz anyway 1504 was the score for Cinebench 147 was a score for Cinebench single thread and one 11.1 111 dot one frames per second on average for GTA 5 and then we have again here's my GTA 5 final run benchmark and I think although grant is my methodology is not a hundred percent perfect for this video this was more of a free-form I wanted to benchmark I wanted overclocked I'm not doing the proper amount of validation I'm not running the test enough times I'm not even doing the proper burnin for the CPU to get the proper temperatures I'm not even really monitoring temperature as accurately as I could but what I am doing is overclocking these processors getting achievable stable overclocks at least for the tests that I am running and showing definitely some improved performance from that so we look at our 1700 ex-members the 10 adventure multi tread score while overclocked 4 gigahertz was 1714 the single thread score was 161 and GTA 5 got 127 point 6 frames per second so again just a tick slower than 1800 X speeds also running it for 4 gigahertz and just take faster than the 1700 running at three point nine years so pretty much expected from from all perspectives except of course temperature again I would I would completely disregard my temperature column right there because yeah I'm not a hundred percent certain that all those numbers are accurate but to draw some conclusions from this because I think we can drop some conclusions despite my already mentioned flawed methodology one would be that if you're overclocking on Rison it's definitely worth your while it's definitely going to give you a better performance to crank all those cores up to running at a higher frequency three point eight three point nine you should probably expect based on my testing here as well as based on vendors and other reviewers who i've talked to three point eight to four gigahertz you should be able to hit with any of these chips you might be able to get four to four point one but beyond that is really really challenging unless you're doing exotic cooling or ln2 or that kind of thing also with voltage once you get past that one point four voltage point temperatures just start to spike like pretty insanely so that's why you definitely want to consider a higher-end cooling solution if you're potentially signing to overclock although I would like to rerun these tests possibly with an air cooler to see if I could get also in that range without having to spend one hundred plus dollars on a closed-loop liquid cooler and finally to answer that last question about can you fix the rise in gaming performance issues that we've been experiencing especially at 1080 by overclocking and the answer would be you can make them better but definitely still haven't seen it achieve the same level of performance as I was hitting with Kaiba Lake systems and lestrade well each system so if you're thinking about buying Rison and you're just going to be gaming with it it's still tough to say guess go for one of these processors I would say either hold out for a risin five chips because I'm imagining those are going to give you more bang for the buck when it comes to gaming performance or if you've are even considering kb lake or Broadwell even them well I'd say a view like if you're strictly going for a gaming PC is going to be a good option for you right now but that's up say Rises those have its place and if you're doing things beyond just gaming if you're going to be gaming and streaming at the same time for example if you're going to be doing heavy video editing or whole wide range of actual workstation tasks then these are awesome values for the money especially when you can compare them to Intel higher-end Broadwell II offerings that's all for this video though guys I hope you've enjoyed it I hope it wasn't too long hit the thumbs up button if you did and links to pretty much all the hardware that I use is down in this video's description thank you for watching and we'll see you next time