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excellent AMD rising infinity fabric ticks at Memory speed that's kind of the focus of this video but if you don't believe me check out the text power up article that I have referenced right here this is actually revealed about a month ago by Robert Halleck over at AMD and among the different potential culprits for explaining some of Ryan's lack of performance in very specific at CPU limited situations with gaming this has become one of the prime suspects so there's other things that might have affected it and I want to address those really quickly for instance game support in general and that was just proven for instance with the ashes of the singularity update which provided about a 30% improvement with a rise in CPU in certain situations we've also had potentials for Windows updates that might cause some improvements as well but in my opinion when you look at overall improving the performance of Verizon across the board it seems like memory speed is actually one of the things that's a pretty significant factor so to that end we have a new kit of memory here from g.skill this is the flare X and it's designed very specifically for AMD Rison platforms this is a 3200 speed kit kats latency is 14 14 14 14 34 to be specific and it's a 1.3 5 volts kit now before I dive into actually installing this on my testbed and doing some testing I did do a bit of research so I wanted to reference that and of course links to all the stuff is down in the description below first off of course just the revelation that Infinity fabric does take at memory speed Infinity fabrics put simply is the interconnect the communication layer that's in between the different parts of a Rison processor specifically it handles the interchange of information between the two CCX unix units that exist in say arise in 17 arise in 1800 X processor the theory is that latency between those those CCX units and arisin processor is what is causing some of the slowdown specifically again in cpu limited gaming situations like gaming at 1080 but there has been a lot of testing and updates and stuff like that in the interim so I have a couple legit reviews articles listed here these are posted by name then he actually went over what is the best ddr4 clock speed for a m4 and to sum up his article 3200 was kind of where he found the sweet spot was you're not going to pay as much as you do for a 3200 kit as you would paying for like a premium kit like a 4000 speed which are still a lot more rare so you can get a good amount of price to performance and you do get according to him something in the range of a 60% performance boost in 1080p gaming and about a 50% in performance improvement in memory bandwidth tests which are more synthetics but you can see that there is a pretty significant difference he also did a more recent article discussing single rank versus dual rank ddr4 memory performance and this is another reason why you might consider getting a kit like this clerics kit from G CL is that single rank and and dual rank memory configurations hasn't been a thing that's been discussed for quite some time it just hasn't really had an effect but with Rison which seems to be a bit more particular about the memory speeds and even more specifically the memory modules that are on each memory stick it does seem like single rank is the way to go and that is what you I believe will be guaranteed to get with the G steal kit they're not saying specifically but I feel like if they're if they're doing what they know how to do as G skill they're probably giving you Samsung ICS which are have been shown to be more stable with Rison and also single rank kits as far as we can tell again all we know from the packaging is that this is ddr4 3200 cache latency of course supports teen and then they specifically say it uses high performance integrated circuits screen specifically for the AMD platform so I have to assume that means it's going to be Samsung single rank stuff and again jumping back to Nathan's article here he found that especially when overclocking going a single rank to dim configuration is going to get you much higher speeds that are possible as well as a better performance overall also bear in mind that again a two kits configuration is probably going to be a little bit more stable at this point in time we're waiting on additional motherboard BIOS updates more validation from the memory manufacturers themselves but right out of the gate that seems to be a good option looking for a bit of a boost in performance with their writing setups as well as hopefully improved gaming performance here is another video that has actually kind of taken off just recently this is from mind blank tech has got about 8,000 subscribers on YouTube right now but a very well-done video where he actually got a 1700 X up and running at 3600 speed so eighteen oh three point nine or so the x 2.is that would actually equal the memory speed he is also running at about four gigahertz and he found through a bunch of tests and again I'll link this in the description so you guys can check them all out I also like his over his overlays he found some significant performance improvements depending on the game that you're playing and even in some situations like here at mafia 3 the 1700 X actually jumps ahead of the 7700 K of course there's lots of other specifics when it comes to his testing configurations that are pointed out in the video so again I encourage you guys to check that out if you want to and then finally I found xB NPC a fairly small YouTube channel but there's lots of videos on horizon recently and he actually has this specific kit of RAM and he was able to do BC okay overclock and run it at 3400 I believe was what he was actually running it trying to get at or 3466 or so was what he had so he also goes through very specifically all of his configurations and the BIOS and everything like that I don't think I'm going to be going specifically for the 3467 setup that he had with a base clock of 118 point 2 if nothing else I'm going to go for the straight out of the box 3200 speed settings that most people dial and pretty quickly and then I'll be testing that against my existing 29:33 benchmarks or I need to redo my 29:33 settings benchmarks with the 1070 and the 1700 X and this is of course all leading up to further preparation for my rise in the 5 video which should be coming out the rise and fives on top which should be coming out very very soon like really soon can't tell you exactly when but rise in 5 launches on April 11th so that's maybe a little bit of a hint for you guys my touch stud over here though is basically the same system that I was using for my rising seven overclocking video is Asus crosshair six hero and I go to use them the latest bios version that's available from them I had a Corsair H 100 IV 2 for the CCU cooler 1700 Verizon 7 1700 is a CPU that's in there i have a gtx 1070 from Galax here i also be running over clocks the operating system and games are on a patriot hellfire m2 480 gig SSD which is an nvm s nvme SSDs it's very fast everything is powered by course our HX 1000 high power supply and then of course the memory is going to be my flare x kit here from g CL 3200 speed memory I'm going to get this installed I'm going to kind of go through and do some testing whatever I'll come back and tell you guys what I've settled on as far as my testing goes and then we'll do some benchmarks and some closing thoughts so I actually decided pretty quickly that I was not gonna do the expanded memory overclock I was going to settle with 3200 speed vs. 29:33 speeds so I remember 29:33 is already a bit of an overclock out of the box for rise in memory and not everyone has been able to hit it so I'm not doing the wider gaps of comparisons that you would see with like a 2133 speed ddr4 memory kit versus something like 3200 but I started by getting the latest version of the rise and master utility as well as my other monitoring utilities like CPU Z and then I updated the crosshair 6 hero motherboard to the latest version of the bios which was released just march 24th it's version 1002 microcode updates for the rise in CPU in there as well which is of course the 1700 I did also install the balanced power plan that's optimized for AMD Rison processors this was just recently published on the AMD Rison community website which has a specific power plan tailored for rides and CPUs it's not available in Windows 10 when you first load it up so you do need to do an extra step to get this but I'm trying to give this setup the best possible chance at getting some good scores so I decided to go with that as well from there I moved on into overclocking and this is actually pretty much the same overclock I had on my 1700 when I did my overclocking video a few weeks back but it's a 3.9 gigahertz turning about 1.3 5 volts and that's via a plus point zero seven five volt offset using the Asus UEFI configuration and then for the baseline test the memory is running at de r4 2933 with casa latency of 1616 1639 which is not the tightest timings but it is what it runs that out of the box if you just plug in 29 33 and again it's just for the baseline now after that I've ran some tests of course and I'll come back to that in a minute but then I overclocked the memory just using the UEFI I was able to just basically plug in the same cast latency values and frequency that are listed on the flower x kit so 3200 speed 14 14 14 34 was the timings fortunately everything was pretty much rock-solid after I dialed that in and from there I was able to do some benchmark tests I started out with the asus rog real bench which is sort of a real-world test runs through multiple tests my baseline test score 145,000 850 and with the memory overclocked I got up to 148 thousand 672 next up I did the Ida 64 memory bandwidth test this is definitely a synthetic test it's purely testing raw memory bandwidth bandwidth speed read/write copy and latency and since there's some very specific numbers here I'm just going to show these to you guys right side by side don't pay too much attention to the cache because that won't be affected by my memory overclock that top line for the memory is what you want to look at and definitely a nice improvement in latency as well as the overall scores next up I did some gaming benchmarks I started with GTA 5 which is where I saw some definite disparity between KB Lake and rise in when I did my initial test running at 1080 here I got 122 frames per second average with the memory at 29 33 Buffy the memory a memory up to 3200 got me up to 125 frames per second average seems fairly minor but that is an improvement and it was repeatable so we're definitely seeing at least a percentage increase with the higher memory speed here next I went for for honor and I really ran the steps because it's a new one and it's got a nice can benchmark and so I just threw it in there before actually double-checking some other people's results before honor is one of those games that's really just not showing much between Rison and kb lakes so as a results improving my memory speed really got me the same it results overall and that just goes to show that the 1080 performance deficits that you're seeing in some situations with horizon it's not across the board you have to be CPU limited for honor it's not a game that CPU limited even at 1080 so the results were pretty much the same finally I popped in ashes of the singularity it had a recent update so I wanted to test it I'm not testing against the old version of ashes but I am testing in DirectX 12 mode at 1080 with the extreme profile and here I got 67.7 average frames per second with the memory overclock that's compared to 60 3.1 average frames per second that I got without that memory overclocked so that was a pretty significant improvement and definitely the most pronounced of all the tests that I ran so just to wrap things up and run down the results and remember here I'm testing 29:33 versus 3200 not 2133 versus 3280 actual memory speed but in real bet real bench I saw 2 percent overall score improvement it's pretty small but definitely something I guess 64 saw 8.3 percent faster reads 9.1 percent faster writes 10% faster copy score and 16 percent reduced latency and I think that reduced latency is a pretty key factor when it comes to performance improvements particularly with gaming in GTA 5 had a 1.6 percent better overall frame rate so again pretty minor but definitely measurable and for honor again there was no change so not really much to speak of there and then ashes of the singularity I had a 7.3 percent better average frame rate and a 7.5 percent better average CPU frame rate so there again very pronounced improved scores and I would love to see how this could do going even beyond that like pushing it up to like 3400 or 3500 or something like that unfortunately I'm running out of time very quickly because the Rison 5 launch is right around the corner so I'm going to have to cut these tests off here and hopefully come back to this in the future there you go guys pretty clear evidence in my opinion that memory speed is a significant factor when it comes to the overall performance of your Rison based system that is not to say this is the end-all be-all of course then plenty of tests already at lower memory speeds that have shown rise in performing very well it just depends what you're doing in CPU limited gaming situations though which is kind of the point of contention for most people right now when it comes to Rison especially if you're talking about Rison versus intel kb lake or something like that memory speed matters and it's definitely very nice to have the availability of the G scale Flair X kit so that you know you have a validated and tested kit that can run at those higher speeds that will pretty much out of the box work with your Rison setup but that's all 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