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what's up guys welcome back to Pauls hardware today I'm gonna be running tests on this system right here which is the April 2019 build of the months it has been through some changes since I originally parted out at the beginning of this month though so let me explain that first it started as a battle an $1,100 build in the Coolermaster q 300 L I wanted to make a micro ATX system that was still very powerful then we discovered that the Q 500 L and the cute 300 L from coolermaster don't have the best air flow so they're not necessarily gonna be suited for higher-end systems like that at least not without some modifications so pared it down to about a $600 build featuring the just recently released NVIDIA GTX 1650 which is about $150 graphics card then there were some delays that were unrelated discovered that 1654 $150 maybe not the best performance at that price point especially when you compare it to the Radeon rx 570 which is available in a four gig and an 8 gig version so today I'm gonna be testing the $600 version of the system as is I'm going to be then swapping in the rx 570 and seeing what kind of difference in performance that gets then I'm also going to do some thermal testing since that seems to be the weak spot in this case and we'll see if we can improve that at all as well all of that said though when I put this system back together again as a $600 build I put in the wrong CPU so first off we got a swap in the risin 5 1600 the Corsair 1 is a gaming PC for people who want maximum performance with a minimal footprint don't let the size fool you though there's a core I $9.99 hundred K CPU and an Archie X xx atti in the Corsair 1 I 160 kept chilly with convection assisted cooling and separate closed loops for the CPU and GPU there's also a corsair 1 i 140 with an i7 9700 K and an RT X 2080 so click the sponsor link in the video description to learn more so good news guys this system has now been reconfigured so that it is pretty much exactly what you guys might put together if you go by the parts list that's down in this video subscription for one instead of using a fancy nvme SSD like the Intel 660 P that I've been using I've gone with a standard $50 500 gig SATA SSD which you guys can get for about 50 bucks the Terra 200 was what I have in there but that's gonna be comparable performance to a lot of $50.00 SATA SSDs part of the reason I did that and I want to point this out is that my motherboard is actually defective I just want a little snafus that have come up as I've been building and testing the system so the motherboard I am going to be RMA but I don't have time to do that and honestly it's just the MDOT two slots that aren't currently working I tried a bunch of different things to get them to work but point is if you get this motherboard double check here I'm two slots if you can just to make sure everything's functional that's a good idea to do when you get any particular new piece of hardware especially something like a motherboard that might have lots of different potential points of failure but upshot is the configuration is now really really close to that 600 dog build that you guys will put together yourselves and the cooler that is shipping with the horizon 1600 which I don't know if this was always the case you have to go back and double-check but we are getting the Wraith spire rather than the race stealth so that means it is a taller cooler that has copper at the base and it also means it is functionally equivalent to the RGB Wraith aspire that I have installed in there so I was able to keep my fancy RGB one in there so it's gonna look a little bit prettier that's the only real difference but the cooling performance should be exactly the same as the one that you get out of the box with a risin v 1600 that said we are not ready to begin our testing we're fast-forwarding in time a few hours we have run a significant amount of tests on this system and a couple different configurations and now I'm gonna share those test results with you I ran a couple synthetic tests ran some gaming tests and then finally did that thermal test as well and I think there's maybe more to be said about the thermal test but let's start off with 3dmark first we ran fire strike extreme which is a DirectX 11 test extreme runs at 2560 by 1440 by the way and our GTX 1650 scored three thousand eight hundred and thirty points overall with the three thousand eight hundred and sixty one point graphics core CPU score was just shy of fifteen thousand but compare that to the rx 570 which score 5565 overall and 5,000 847 for the graphics there is a 2000 point lead here for the graphics core bear in mind again this is a synthetic test so this isn't gonna bear out over all games that you might test but here at least is a big win initially for the rx 570 next up is 3d mark time spy this is a DirectX 12 test and here the GTX 1650 scored 3568 overall with a 3347 point graphics core CPU scores 5,000 718 the RX 570 again beat it with a score 4021 overall and 3826 for the graphics core CPU score again here stays the same since we're talking about the same CPU with both tests running at the same speed next up is GTA 5 still a very popular game it's running at 1920 by 1080 DirectX 11 and I'm using my lower end settings for this test since these are entry-level graphics cards so sliders are down to minimum msaa is turned off and you can see the rest of the settings here but the gtx 1650 score was 136 FPS on average and 1% low of 95 FPS the RX 570 did beat it but it was by a very slim margin 138 FPS on average so only about 1% as the same at 95 FPS for the 1% low scores so this is just an example of how depending on the game that you're playing the settings you're using and the resolution you might see varying results when it comes to how much faster the RX 570 is then the gtx 1650 but we can't say more definitively now that it is faster pretty much across the board except for a few outliers if you'd like to see a wider range of benchmarks though i'll point you guys to hardware unboxed because steve has done a couple videos now on the 1650 and he tested more games than I did so check the link in the description below if you want to see that video next let's move into some real world game testing for this we used overwatch and apex legends I played overwatch Joe played apex legends for overwatch I turned the settings down to high I usually test it epic but we are at 100% render scale at 1920 by 1080 and the GTX 1650 was getting about 120 230 frames per second on average very playable definitely at the these settings and at this resolution and you could even turn these settings up a little bit so you can see if you're playing at 1920 by 1080 and you're looking for 60 frames per second if you're looking for a higher frame rate for example if you've invested in a high frame rate 1080 display that has a fresh rate of 100 Hertz or maybe 144 Hertz then you want a frame rate that will match that refresh rate of the monitor if at all possible fortunately a hundred and twenty two hundred and thirty FPS is pretty decent for a sixteen fifty we did have dips down to about a hundred FPS but again staying very playable the whole time however if you were gonna play on one of those high refresh rate monitors I'd recommend the rx 570 because here I was getting a hundred and sixty two hundred and ninety frames per second it was significantly better the dips were only down to the one 30s and one 40s so if you're playing on a one hundred forty four Hertz 1080 monitor the RX 570 would definitely give you a better experience here at least you see more frames which is typically what you wants when you're playing on a high refresh rate monitor next is Apex Legends this is also at 1920 by 1080 and here's a quick look at the settings we're using they were medium settings I'll say for the most part but you can pause if you want to look specifically at each one I'm gonna give you 3 FPS ranges here the first is for the drop in part at the very beginning of each map and that tends to be a much lower frame rate at least in my experience then I'll talk about the average frame rates and then the high frame rates for the drop in part for the GTX 1650 we're looking at 45 to 55 frames per second still very playable obviously you don't want to be running at that frame rate by and large but that's okay because when actually in-game the low frame rates we were saying we're in the 70s and 80s frames per second wise and then the high frame rates we're seeing we're up in the 90s and 100's so again very playable across-the-board especially if you're looking for 1080 60 Hertz gameplay but once again with the rx 570 we saw a significantly improved experience the drop in frame rate was about 55 to 75 FPS on the low end we were seeing 80 to 110 at frames per second I did want to point out there's a few things that can happen in the game like that pop up a depth of field effect for example that can really tank the frame rate we didn't experience that with a GTX 16:50 run that we played with the RX 570 it actually dropped down into the 40s briefly so consider turning that effect off or minimizing it as much as you can if you're trying to maintain higher frame rates while playing apex legends but by and large we were getting low frame rates from the 80 all the way up to 110 FPS range and then we were seeing highs in 110 to 130 FPS range it depended on where you were on the map some rooms are a lot simpler and can actually render at a higher frame rate so we saw 144 FPS P but overall I would say we're achieving between 15 to 30 FPS higher performance than the 1650 I recorded a few stats as we were going through testing the r5 1600 CPU by the way since we are just using the stock cooler I left at the stock frequency that means that on all cores it's running at 3.4 gigahertz and for boost on 1 or 2 cores at a time it's going up to 3.7 gigahertz pretty confident that you could overclock that and jump it up to maybe 3.8 or 3.9 gigahertz across a few cores at least but perhaps I will leave that for a future video since the motherboard unfortunately wasn't working for us quite as well as we had hoped I didn't dive into the overclocking realm for this particular video but the gtx 1650 was hitting 67 degrees celsius max temperatures so that i suppose is a testament to its efficiency and even in this case which is pretty bad when it comes to air flow we weren't getting too hot and the fan also did not need to ramp up all that loud so in this quick anecdotal noise test you will notice that the 1650 is fairly quiet whereas the system with the RX 570 installed in a stress test environment is noticeably louder I will also note that while we were game testing this system with the rx 570 the rx 570 actually got hotter than in the stress test and the stress test I was using 3dmark on loop and that will actually start a test and then turn it off and then start it again so under the sustain load of gaming the rx 570 actually got up to 78 degrees Celsius two degrees warmer than the 76 degrees that it got up to during the stress test I'm getting a little ahead of myself though 67c again was the max temp for the GTX 60 and 50 it was running at 1920 megahertz max GPU boost clock but I found that under load it was averaging about 1800 megahertz it will fluctuate between about 1755 to 1830 depending on what was going on on screen rx 570 again hits 78 degrees Celsius max temp and at that temperature the fans were very loud and it was noticeable if you were gaming right next to this it's not gonna be the most positive experience you'd probably want some clothes headphones or it's just something that you would have to learn to deal with we're gonna try to get around that in just a second but in case you're wondering the frequency that the RX 570 is running at is 1280 megahertz finally for power draw this was taken during the fire strike extreme combines test the gtx 1650 system 130 watts the RX 570 system 243 watts that's that's a lot more that's a little over a hundred watts more sustained power draw so Steve if you're watching this video you claimed 70 watts maybe it depends on the card you're talking about I was testing the entire systems power draw from the wall so that also might be a factor but just again something to consider you are going to draw more power with the RX 570 it's still not nearly the amount of power that you would draw with like a 300 or a $500 graphics card and as Steve also pointed out in one of his follow-up videos the amount of extra money that you're gonna pay for the extra power draw when you're comparing this card to this one it's probably gonna be like 5 to 20 dollars a year so that may or may not be a significant dollar amount for you so those I think are hopefully some good numbers for you guys and again pretty decisive in my opinion when it comes to what you should choose if you're building a $600 ish system when it comes to the graphics card you're probably gonna be spending around a hundred and fifty dollars if you're looking at that price point for your entire build and at 150 bucks you should be getting an rx 570 I Deeley an 8 gig RX 570 because i've seen those on sale for 140 or 150 dollars actually cheaper than the four gigs 1650 and if you can claw your way up you know you can get an rx 580 but anyway I don't wanna get into that game point being there's one last problem we got to deal with here the 1650 in the system with a stress test I had a 64 CPU and memory as well as 3d marked fire strike on loop got up to 67 degrees Celsius on the GPU 67 point five degrees Celsius on the CPU that's actually not too bad especially given the thermal performance of this case as expected however we're dealing with a very low-power jock card so when we dropped in the RX 570 things got significantly warmer the CPU temperature ramped up to seventy three point four degrees and the GPU temperature got up to 76 degrees and I'm confident that if I left the test run longer we were only running it for about 10 minutes it would have kept getting warmer beyond that the reason as gamers Nexus and a few other people who have reviewed this case have pointed out is that while you have this nice mesh cover in the front which you can remove to clean dust off of it and does have a fair amount of perforations to let air through behind it you have a metal panel with a bunch of holes drilled in it and there are more there's more metal panel than there is holes filled in it so I'm going to do a very simple mod on this case I'm gonna use my dremel if you guys buy this case you're welcome to attempt this mod as well but bear in mind once you take a dremel to a case like this you're not going to be able to return it or anything so so do so at your own risk but we'll be back in just a second with the updated version of the q 300 L we'll see if it improves our thermal performance at all so modding is always fun I basically just took my Dremel and cut a chunk off the front of the case a size that would fit the hundred and forty millimeter intake fan that I had positioned up there didn't do too you know Shoei of a job because I knew that it was just gonna be covered up by this mesh that beautiful nearly unobstructed airflow until you put the dust filter in from it and was this the game-changer that we are looking for when it comes to making this case a much more usable case or at least a better thermal situation a little slightly basically we had about a two and a half degree improvement on CPU temperature we went from seventy-three point four degrees Celsius down to 71 degrees Celsius under the stress test conditions after ten minutes and the GPU temperature dropped by two degrees Celsius from 76 down to 74 so that is a results that is an improvements ambient temperature here in the garage probably crept up a tiny tiny bit in between as well since it got a little bit later in the day but overall I think what this case needs is just more of the same doing that twice and doing two intake fans and perhaps adding an exhaust up here at the top would greatly help to evacuate the hot air that builds up in this case especially since the rear exhaust hundred and twenty millimeter fan here is also partially obstructed on either side so it's not really ejecting as much hot air as it could all that said if you're willing to deal with the temperature in various ways whether it's a modification or whether it's running things at lower speeds or trend under bolts this is still a viable system and for $600 I think it is pretty powerful a lot of people would be quite happy with it what I'm thinking is that this case in my mind was going to be like the new micro ATX case to recommend some micro ATX is one of those form factors that I feel like I want to push a little bit more I feel like it has a really nice balance between expandability and size but let me know in the comments you guys if you know of any really awesome micro ATX cases that you think I should try out because I'm looking for something they keep things compact still flexible still expandable and this case needs I think a little bit of work maybe a second revision in order for it to really hit all the points that cool and master is trying to hit especially when it comes to air flow and thermals that said this system for $600 I think is absolutely insane when it comes to actual gaming performance so I think anyone would be happy with it just like I said go with an Rx 578 gig if you can find it because you can get those for a hundred forty two hundred and sixty bucks these days I'll put a link to one or two of those down in the video's description as for these 1650 it has a niche area where it's applicable I think Kyle's video did the best of demonstrating that if you happen to have a much older system and you're running off of integrated graphics and you need a boost and you don't have a strong power supply and the CPU is ok then dropping in something like this is viable that said if you've got the power supply to support something like an rx 570 you're really going to get a better experience overall out of that so I think what we're really looking for with the 1650 is a price break this needs to be less expensive that will make it more competitive and I think that is gonna wrap up this video thank you guys so much for watching the parts I used today once again are linked down in the description if you're down there and you want hit the thumbs up button on your way up so I greatly appreciate that too thanks again for watching and we'll see you next time