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information that has come out about in videos RTX super Oh super you guys might have heard a little bit about super around copy text that week because that's when they first put out that video where it was like a shiny logo that said super and g-force and everyone was like mysterious in video what do you what are you doing I haven't followed any of this so I knew have it know so I'm actually very excited well it kind of makes it kind of makes sense because honestly it was like there's there's not really much substance to it it was a it was a big tease and a lot of people thought in video was doing that to just sort of suck some of the wind out of AMD sales with their Radeon announcements and their Navi stuff and I you know that probably is the case but there is something called NVIDIA super at least according to these leaks I mean according to a video this article of course or video and now we have this chart here this is an overclocked 3d net article showing actual listings for these super cards RTX 2080 super 2070 super and 2060 super bear in mind all the since early information has not been verified or confirmed by Nvidia so it could all be bunk but the information as to the launch dates that they're talking about which is a super series of cards in mid-july came from video cards and then here are wallet check shown right there sporting it just a very snappy pink shirt that looks like he was rocking it he came out with some of these some of these specs that are listed here so we're looking at a mid July launch would be just after the Radeon Navi series the new rx 50 750 700 xt launch these specs indicates that the cards are slightly juiced versions of the existing our TX 2060 2070 and 2080 the biggest difference here is going to be your 2060 super down down at the lower ends no price listed here of course but it's jumping from 6 gigs to 8 gigs of memory the the existing are TX 2060 has 6 gigs now we have 8 gigs there beyond that we're looking at about 128 to 256 more cuda cores depending on which version you're looking at the 2080s super looks like it's going to sit between the existing r-tx 20 80 and the 20 80 TI there doesn't appear to be an Archie X 20 80 TI super and honestly beginning to the point where in video is just having too many little supplemental names to add on yeah like at the end like for instance I guess they couldn't have made a 20 80 TI there you had that but it could be the 2070 TI and 2060 TI right yeah what they throw on super in there I guess super its Super T is old news man yeah super one fraud with the Nvidia marketing team said to Jensen we gotta go super I guess super so think what you may or think about the them calling it super but it does seem like they're having a bit of a refresh for the RT X series and probably rumor has it that Nvidia plans to reveal their r-tx super series of graphics cards within the next two weeks according to this article wince dental I think not articles from the it is now the 18th that seems a little little short if it's gonna be after the Navi launch because the Navi launch is the seventh what's short the well the article says within two weeks but that would still be in June yeah if it was two weeks from when the article was posted all right so anyway we still don't know for sure but feel free to check the article out if you want to look a little bit more specifically at some of those specs it's not just the coot of course there is also a boost in the memory speed it looks like some of the models that were using slower ddr2 ddr3 GD are six from fourteen or at least the the the bandwidth yeah right yeah oh because the interface I'm sorry faces interface interface for the 2060 went from 192 bit to 256 because they're adding more memory modules so you haven't an additional memory controller and that means that the bandwidth went from 336 to 448 also with the 2080 the memory speed went up to 16 Giga bits per second told you need er 6 though but anyway so that's where you get your 448 gigabytes per second to 512 so a bit more memory bandwidth there it makes sense it makes sense up the only cannoli card whose capacity memory capacity was bumped up was the RFC X 2016 because because now at eight gigs it'll rival the the rx 550 700 series yes so an Nvidia I think would much rather be able to say like here's our card and it's better than their card and not have to make some excuse like well your card only has six gigs of ram later size 8 gigs or leading aimday with no cards to play they've gotten tired of doing that with the existing with like the 1060 and me and the RX 5 580 inch yeah they played that out that's been around for a while and this will done some credence to some of the stuff that AMD said in the past week or two which is that they've specifically are targeting the RX 50 750 700 xt @ 1440p gaming 2560 by 1440 and that six gigs of ram is made a little cutting it a little slim for 14:40 gaming yet AMD said that if this is true it would seem like nvidia agrees at least to some extent maybe I maybe I'm putting too many words in their mouth but I think that makes them sense and also just for the for the spec sheet when you're doing comparative right comparisons of the cards of course without the way to see what the frequency is that they're running at our you know hopefully there'll be some clock speed boosts there too it'll be interesting to see if there will be significant clock speed boosts it's not listed in this article here but I think in the original video cards article they list the actual GPU names because each GPU has like as a different little skew and they do that they do have an updated name on there I don't know if they just did that for the for the to differentiate the chips or if there's any significant difference in the manufacturing process freedom chips for these at all or refund rates or something like that yeah so a lot of stir remains to be seen but hopefully we'll find out soon and if you bought a 2070 or 2080 or 2060 you're a sucker because there's better ones coming up I'm just kidding none of that that was always the case for anyone who buys any computer parts yeah all right as I move on to this this actually is from a couple weeks ago the original articles from the end of May so it's been out for a couple weeks but week we didn't really talk about it too much and there's a little bit of an update going on here but this is about some user benchmarking Geekbench benchmarks they have online databases and the benchmarks were uploaded to them that were sourced from Rison 536 hundreds that being third-gen rise in parts is n2 based some of the chips that were expecting to come out well that we're pretty sure coming out and you know July 7th I make big Liars of AMD a thing if they go back on that at this point the 3600 is the lowest end in the stack at $200 has four point two years boost clock 3.6 gigahertz base just a 65 watt TDP so I'm expecting this to be a pretty popular chip because yeah price right so your buck and everything these numbers were sourced from to mapa stack we've talked about his his database numbers before because he likes to he likes to dig into the benchmark databases from sources like this and find numbers that were uploaded by people who have the chips already theoretically and didn't unplug their internet when they were running these benchmarks so the benchmarks got automatically uploaded of course again this is really information could be all bollocks but we'll find out we'll find out soon two sets of scores just a couple for each one the first one here is from user benchmark and you can see they give an overall score as a percentage there's different configurations I believe for the for the different setups here but it's scored a hundred and seven percent on this upper score which according to the article would put it on par with an i7 8700 K or an AMD Rison thread Ripper 1950 X pretty good numbers if these new CPUs from AMD are getting are getting are if they're nudging up against the current IPC performance the current single core performance of what what in socre already has like within eighty six hundred k 8700 a that sort of thing then that's a pretty big indicator that AMD has done a lot of ketchup with the ketchup with with the new micro architecture design as well as the process shrink down to seven nanometers and it would indicate that you know hopefully that that's gonna mean better gaming performance and and so on the clock speeds are a lot higher this time around to clock speeds are definitely boosted up as well and be able to get higher on on six cores than you will on yeah sixteen for sure yeah I hope so I mean even if it's like just a couple cores on the higher core count ones that can at the faster frequency second tests were from Geekbench this was run on an Asus tough gaming x5 70-plus motherboard squared 5390 points single core 2600 and so I'm sorry 26,000 third and 71 on the multi-core there's also link there was a discussion on the latest tech tips about this and they posted a link to a geek bench I 580 600 benchmark score so you can look at the single score single core score there which is about 5,700 about 5,400 it looks like at least in this comparison the 80 600 K is running a little bit faster you have to bear in mind that with these summaries they don't always show the frequency so that's something that you kind of have to keep in mind mister Epis AK though we hate where you go there you go mr. haversack where's your link to whether it is anyway here's his Twitter he is continually posting things so Heaney actually just within the past 24 hours posted this which you might be able to see it's a 3,800 and yeah 3800 X which is an 8 core the higher end 8 core that's gonna run at a faster speed single core score they're a bit higher but not too much at 5400 6 still slower than the multi-core score of 34,000 oh by the way I didn't show the multi course so this is 8600 multi-core score of 22,000 this is the nice 3,600 26,000 so you know similar to what we've been seeing with rise in 1st and 2nd gen even if you're seeing a little bit of a drop-off in single core that multi-core score for anything you're doing you know I think the most practical use is like video encoding or something like that you know you're getting a lot more a lot more juice there multi-core score for the 3800 X 34,000 59 which is up there with with you know some of the higher end desktop scores of course you know it the tests vary depending on settings and everything like that and you can't determine all of that from the reports here but oh actually though I did want to show that the link for the 3,800 X did show the frequency it was running at base of 3.9 in a max frequency of four point four seven gigahertz not that I'm surprised that the multi-core scores for these res and 3000 processors have been like quite a bit higher like notably higher than last gen because I was expecting a need to definitely work on their single core performance to catch up with Intel because that's sort of been their their weak point in that area but it seems like they've optimized for for multi-core performance as well and you know all this stuff that they have you know talked about for how they've like limited a lot of workload to a single CCX instead of like transmitting data between them to reduce latency further yes does a Windows Update yeah yeah those windows update as well but I feel like that's that's kind of cool they're very attacking multiple fronts yes I mean if you can if you can figure that they're taking a single core performance and increasing it this much then you take that and multiply it by 16 threads or more if you're going for the twelve or sixteen talking about the 12 or 16 cores right it's going to it's gonna add up yeah while reducing latency between between chords as well it's it's pretty cool nice it's a cool like I said early number just unverified but exciting nonetheless so I'm excited I got together a few more weeks July 7th again is when the launch is although I believe pre-orders go up July 1st but don't pre-order stuff it's bad don't do it bad to do wait for the videos next up cryptocurrency good one gasps no I haven't heard about cryptocurrency I've talked about cryptocurrency much since kind of the bubble burst and GPU mining sort of became unpopular it is a hot again now Paul sure now let's dive in this is a facebook cryptocurrency it's called Libre and I just thought it was somewhat interesting deeper so I'm going to go over it TechCrunch article here is very long if you guys really are interested this I encourage you to read it because I'll be perfectly honest I did not get through the whole thing I was crunching Chetty it's stuff ready for the show and there's more to be said about this but from a high level perspective this this new cryptocurrency called Libre will let you buy things or send money to people with nearly zero fees according to Facebook so you can buy or cash out your Libra online or the local exchange points at grocery stores you can spend it using interoperable third-party walk apps or Facebook's Calibra wallet that will be built into whatsapp messenger as well as the Facebook app what they released today just today or was this yes this is fifteen hours ago so yes this was today what they released today was a white paper which explains Libra and it's test net they are working out kinks in the blockchain system and they're expecting a public launch of this in the first half of 2020 I multiply about this because on the one hand finding a good use case for blockchain is a good thing it is a useful technology and I think there's problems with I think there's problems with it what's with the cryptocurrency bubbles in like 2013-2014 and in the past couple years but I think finding a good way to use it that's sort of more Universal I think will be beneficial to people there's a lot of stuff that it can replace when it comes to fees and tracking of things however if you look at the people who are behind this Facebook we're not exactly the biggest fans of Facebook around here we've pointed out quite a few things that we don't like about them they are not completely in control of Libra because Libra is there's actually a governance board it's going to be controlled by the founding members of the Libra Association and that includes at currently 28 different companies although they say they're trying to expand it to and when they want like a hundred by the time it actually goes they actually go go live with it this thing includes like companies like uber and lyft eBay Spotify you have Facebook down here you got others such as visa you have some independence what do we got some venture capitalists like andreessen horowitz breakthrough initiatives capital companies so you might look at these loose lists of companies and you may or may not have existing opinions about some of them so I don't know I think we can use Libra through other apps besides Facebook yes okay it is a it is a currency but there is it but Facebook created pages Facebook is one of the founding members or there's one of the Libra Association okay so there's lots of different companies involved because Facebook wants it to be universal I mean I think I think their idea the their ideal goal is to create a universal digital currency that's international that you can use anywhere that you know ideally for the end user is like convenience and doesn't have fees for transferring money and moving stuff around Facebook and all these companies get out of that is well they can they can they can your data mining they can see what's happening with the money and where it's going yeah you can they can they will also where to go they they they basically will earn interest on the money that's in there mmm they'll earn interest on the money that uses cash that users catch in that's held in reserve so there'll be a title money there that they'll her interest on right looks like how venmo makes money like there's no ads in venmo but I think they just make money off of interest and each each of the founding members has paid a minimum of 10 million dollars to join and then they will have the option to become a validator a node operator and again the article has more technical details on this I'm not going to delve into right now because I'll probably get stuff wrong but I didn't know that's that's the thing this is that it's nada and we've got a mining operation GPU money is not involved so if that's what if that's been your concern this whole time don't worry this route this is not going to suddenly be something that people are mining Libre and buying Marty views for or something like that so you can only get it through spending real money and converting it yeah burn money and then you can transfer and I imagine at a certain point they'll have transfer rates that go up or down or whatever but yeah again stuff on the article talking about some of like the inconsistency of the value of stuff like Bitcoin for what they wanted to do so I bring this up more as an FYI rather than like I hope nobody tries to think I'm saying like hey look a Libra it's awesome or anything like that this is a wait-and-see type of thing I personally don't have a huge amount of trust in Facebook or several of the other companies involved here so I doubt I'm gonna be jumping on it's starting to use use this or anything yeah I guess that kind of better wraps it up anyway let's move on my credit card my Chase credit card still works very well everywhere that's good good mighty mighty dollar oh I'm $80 okay sure Gizmodo article here I have been poned is for sale gonna bite you have I been poned have you used I have have I been pwned I know I haven't hit I've heard of this yes it's a website founded by security researcher Troy hunt in 2013 and it's been around for for a while it's been sort of a key player in certain hacks mainly like hacks of existing companies that have massive databases of user information companies get hacked they find that the user information is stored with very poor security and now that information you know is it's out there somewhere hackers have it they're probably gonna sell it and resell or whatever you've been poned as a website that has broken news about hacks of this kind and it has a really cool thing where you go on there and you punch your email address in and it tells you if your email address has been poned before compromising anyways be compromised if your email address was part of any of these massive right Dave data breaches that's handy yeah handy in many ways doing the Lord's work however Troy hence has been the main and doing the Lord's work in this way and he's tired and maginot I imagine he's got lots of other things before Troy he has a statements he made a blog post about this he said it's time to go from that one guy doing what he can in his available time to a better resourced and better funded structure that's able to do way more than what I could ever do on its own on my own have I been poned gets about a hundred and fifty thousand unique visits on a typical day but that can spike significantly they get ten million unique visits on an abnormal day such as when various collections of data are dropped online that might for instance collection number one back in January that exposed seven hundred and seventy three million emails and twenty-one million passwords yeah so he says he's getting burnt out and he needs to hand this off I'm hoping that this is acquired by a reputable company that continues do you know doing this because this is very good a lot of people you need to know this like the key thing about this is like your you might not be hacked you your email or whatever other accounts that you have might be just fine but the login information for those might be out there might have been released in in a previous hack and all it takes is for the right person to purchase that information and then feed it to some botnets that start going and testing for vulnerabilities and suddenly you know if they realize it that they have your actual log information yeah so yeah it's a very useful tool if you guys have never used it it is it is up and running so feel free to go in and go there and check your emails and what do you think it's gonna sell Vito says that it's been purchased by Windows Defender that's not true no it doesn't say how much he's selling it for I don't think so all it says Troy said since he posted his blog a few organizations have reached out to him asking to be part of the merger and act in process that's that's all the article says as far as that goes so cool any all right don't tell it to Norton it's alright yes please no that's no semantics alright that's all we got for the general tech news we have another segment here the ever-popular yes/no ah love is yet another iteration of us thinking you guys for information about stuff yes no is a very simple very straightforward though a very simple and straightforward is we and we have a thing we're gonna we're gonna rule yes or no on it whether it should be or should not be and that's pretty much a hot-button topic zone yet fortunately we're repeating stuff we've already talked about a little bit so we can go through stuff as we've done in segments like this in the past we're going to run through each thing first and then we'll jump back to the first one to get your feedback on it and there's truffle links for each one so the first one we already discussed Nvidia r-tx super we told you guys the info about it at least that we know or that we theoretically know so we're judging this based on theory to some extent and the question is just yes or no what do you guys think Nvidia super is this a good idea should it be should it should it video go forward with it zoom in that that zoom job they're pretty pretty straightforward there yes it is our wonderful friend cell is leaking the straw polls thanks tile in chat so you guys can vote on that it's really no room for gray areas in the segment isn't it no that's why it's yes no cuz there's no maybe it wouldn't be yes no maybe yes maybe no yes that's why I just know maybe so if you're not even like a third cop-out answer or laughing like that that's true because very clear-cut oh well that's funny what I have subtitles on so it's doing automatic subtitles I should just read linking the straw polls Excel that it's really no room for great areas it's picking up pretty well it's usually pretty good I'd love to see it on the wild video see how that goes if we could just repeat I could just keep reading the subtitles from like 30 seconds ago eventually it would cycle yeah catch up yourself speaker reverberation or something like that all right next article here is from MIT technology review actually the next two articles are from MIT technology review it's it's pretty much explained in this image right here but there's also a headline there's a new chip they've been working on real-time robotics a start-up in Boston and they have this new chip that lets route robots quote-unquote imagine their actions before they make a movement so especially in industrial situations where you have robots that are doing things if you get in their way most of the time they have no way of knowing you're in their way or sensing that or anything and they'll move right through you so possibly to prevent workplace injuries they're giving robots sensory information so as you can see he puts his arm out in front there and instead of going through his armor running into his arm the robot sees his arm there maneuvers around it in order to continue its job fancy so basically we're giving robots the ability to sense and you might think I like a first thing you might think here's oh that's that's a good thing however I will point out that this is giving like one of the things that humans have that that the you know gives us an advantage somewhere up here in the frontal cortex we have like this simulation thing we can imagine things before they happen we can think like oh if I you know Jam this into my eyeball and it'll hurt or something like that so you can imagine stuff we're giving robots that capability will they use it for good or for evil we don't really I mean are they really imagining it or they just sent detecting an object and going around it is it just an algorithm it says imagine in quotes Kyle that's a headless that's a headline it's MIT technology review they do yeah they're there for I know cliff Bay when I see it or it takes a quick better to know one and that's that's pure quick Bay giving it is fascination of ours to give robots human properties like now they're imagining it or they're thinking yeah not eventually eventually and in some cases they already do I guess you could argue but these I think they're just they're just program fortunately don't imagine it is the night daydreams it is the name sure about this of the s no segment then we can completely ignore that and make a summary judgment without even having that information if you're kind of like ignoring it I mean then you cannot ignore it too you have the choice all right you can do are we arguing this for an hour no we don't not even like anything we're just going to be seeing where people think yes or no and we could say our opinion still when we come back to all imagine what it ain't anything L imagine what my answer will be sure you're about to be able to imagine their actions before I make it think was good let us know final hit here MIT technology review kind of in the same vein the world's best supercomputers are being updated to run AI software faster this is from the international supercomputing conference which kicked off in Frankfurt yesterday they have a list of the 500 most powerful super super computers u.s. is still on top China has the most computers on the US has the most computing power with a hundred and sixteen supercomputers China has more supercomputers though with 219 anyway that's kind of beside the point hey I write artificial intelligence terrifying Thinking Machines supercomputers gene sequencers break down the Strand in minutes does it talk about that yeah they're doing software optimizations here to make them better at AI gaining access to the supercomputers can be a challenge because they're in high demand however look like geospatial AI I didn't get good notes on this article stuff the speaker if you noticed I missed 90% of everything you just said that's fine on this shift computers be able to do AI faster are like we're giving them giving them more power I guess it's kind of the same same question we're deal both in both of these circumstances like how quickly do we want Skynet to happen yeah do we want to accelerate that eventual and we're talking I don't know like AI sort of as a as a general concepts artificial intelligence seems like something that's other it's separate from people and the computers that are processing a I put too fine a planet but like these are the most powerful computers in the world we're giving them the ability to think even better this is what I'm saying Skynet right that's the concern here though anyway point being we're not trying to get into details here should this be a thing yes or no let us know your opinion I want to get back to getting answers for these things so scared the segment scaring me back to the most remote well that's that's the whole idea but you got to face your fears yeah no to everything I just want to say null and everything okay we got argue r-tx super right now right there are you just kissing or just kissing okay people people already voted people have their opinions let's say yes archaic super your competitions don't for it I'm stoked no not really I'm not stoked but I'm just saying yes as in it's it's a logical business move on invidious part and they need to stay competitive they're always one step ahead of you know Kyle of course I I deep down I say no internally I don't I don't think this is great you're shooting yourself in the foot then it's just gonna make you know the products deck more confusing and it's just a cash grab from it see now now your yes opinion is starting to sway people and yes just power gained another percentage point our for sweetie 839 huh dumpy I like these yes no because it's so clear cut yeah and 61 percent of people think that in video should not do the Arizona turnip option all right moving on should robot to be able to imagine their actions before they make a move big fat no on this house us no I'm a fan that's fine because I wanted to say yes nope nope I trust the robots at least a little want robots with arms I think they're kind of cute no you're teaching them you're essentially teaching them to dodge bullets so that when we eventually need to counter-attack them they'll be able to just matrix neo that bullshit because they're imagining the bullets hitting them look guys right again even strong even more strongly 70% it's I'm rooting for the underdog which is myself alright so we need to give robots the ability to imagine stuff no I mean and really life without an imagination is so it's boring yeah finally is it super computers be updated to running a software faster yes or no no Cal says no I'm gonna say yes here as well I think the the yeah if the last thing it gets yeah I'm gonna get smart enough as long as we have like prime directives in place that like humans shouldn't die or be killed or or you know should get massages and free cheeseburgers I think it's okay you're putting too much trust in the computers and it'll they're probably do a better job at figuring stuff I probably already have you in there yeah they already lol I was 3 for 3 here geez don't wear this thing you're all doomed so yeah we're just we're ready to hand off control right so no today no god that's exactly what we don't just give in Kyle no that's not that's it's just fine once you once you've let go of yourself and your desires and you realize that the computers really I really know what's best I have a suspicion that you you are a robot but you're just one of them and you're trying to coerce me into into your little scheme whatever hive mentality hive mind that that you guys have laid out not guys but you droids have playing fourth there's stuff that's offensive see second not only a droid would say that that's ridiculous Kyle that sounds like something yeah right we're here where's your CPU let me let me take that out no no Kyle frightened you have nothing to fear from us all right let's say I wrap it there's a wraps it up for my half of the show thank you all so much for watching you and promoting and all the good stuff we have more stuff talking about on Kyle's half and if you're watching on twitch just stay right where you 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