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hey everyone and welcome to Paul's hardware this video is a very very special video and I have a very very special guest this is Jay from Jays two cents oh you don't mean yes when you said special so well I meant it Jay because what I'm about to embark on is probably the most ambitious build project that I have done in my history of building computers which is because this is going to be an epic water-cooled build so just to start from from the beginning going back quite a while I had made a promise to my friend Jay Jay over at Asus that I was going to be using their x99 motherboard in an epic build so we've got that over there the xi9 deluxe from Asus that's going to be kind of the holding everything together that's the motherboard the CPU is going to be this one right here I 7:59 30 K from Intel so it's a haswell-e socket 2011 - 3 and I'm really excited to see how would you do with your 59 60 X I'm curious the 59 60 X is in the test bed so that's what I've been using - seems like such a waste benchmark a waste what are you talking about things are always an epic water-cooled build deserves an epic CPUs are you saying I should swap and put the 59 60 X in this I personally would that could be an option I could use a 59 30 K and the 59 60 X that I have is actually really nice you order you've got a nice bin right now it's at 4.5 gigahertz uh 1.2 volts yeah and to get 14.5 online its 1.3 to 5 volts so so maybe that's a consideration that's another thing that I want to do in this video guys so I'm going to be asking for your feedback so here's the first bit of feedback I have another really important question for you at the end of the video so stick around for that should I stick with a 59 30 K or should I take Jays advice and go with 59 60 X it's one of those things where if you were out of pocket right now man on it and you didn't already have them I would say 59 30 but since you have both I do have both actually have all three don't you I do have off their ever plan for the third one as well so because my test bench has the 5820k but I think for the testbench purposes that was a perfect CPU for yeah yeah oh yeah too much 960 X I think given the hardware you're gonna talk about right now is definitely okay all right we're already making changes but I'm excited about that that's that makes it I like them shake the tree seems falls out thanks all right let's go over the rest so I need to say huge thank you to g.skill because they sent me over my memory kit since this system is going to be used extensively for video editing I needed lots of memory 32 gigs is in my opinion the good amount of memory to go that's more than I have action I'm a little jealous really yeah I will always just had 16 gigs just 16 well I will say for video editing 32 is really nice I mean depending on the complexity the project that you're working with everything this is 24 hundred speed memory from g.skill ripjaws 4 it's the black version that Jake is also using one I'm using in skunk works only you have the 8 gigabyte DIMMs right before gigabyte is yes and I think yours are a bit faster than this but I think 2400 for my price 24 oh you're just 2400 - and I'm running them at 2666 I'm not even fart like overclocked much at all nice well excellent these this has been excellent memory I've been using the rip test for and the test bit as well have a 16 ki kit over there so huge thank you to G scale for that and I think I'm gonna do the same thing unit J and pull the stickers off of there yeah just to keep everything cuz this is going to be a black and white theme to build so there's my memory for storage I have Samsung's new SSD this is the 850 Evo that they sent over so this is a 250 gig the operating system is going to go on here I'm going to be expanding the storage and the system but I'm probably going to do that after the whole thing is built since that's something you can actually can't afraid with a water cooling system water-cooled system after the fact yeah and you don't even need a huge SSD I mean I have a 5 I have a 500 gig and a 256 in mine I just put my favorite games on the 256 the 5 the 500 gig is barely being touched but you do have more standard hard drive storage and I do I have a 2 terabyte and a 1 terabyte so this is my so I have a thing about raw footage whenever I record something and then I copy it because that right now I'm not recording straight to a computer but whenever I copy my raw footage I have a thing I want to always copy it to a raid 1 array just because that's something that you're replaceable I can go and recreate a premier project or something like that but this is a four terabyte WD black drive this is actually standing right now because what I'm going to be using is the 2 4 terabyte WD black drives that I have in my system that I'm using right now is my primary system so those will be migrated over and then I also have a 500 gig dual SSD raid 0 array that I edit off of that I I copy the raw footage to my mechanical drives then copied again to the SSDs and then I edit off of there so that's saying you can do all that and you in in the case you're going to use I'll let you talk about the case but that's the downside of the case labs case is it's not really designed for natively supporting a lot of hard drive to optical hard drives or at optimal yeah to hard drives and for SSDs is the support oh wow so unless you buy additional hard drive cages which go in the main part in our ugly which takes away room for the water cooling setup I just AM gimped on hard drive capability in that case so the case you're using is obviously meant for that the case Oh excellent segue J thank you uh over to the case so this is the case and this was a question that I asked you guys so this is the fractal define r5 mid tower computer case really really well received so far it launched at the end of 2014 and Ashley it was so well received there were some people that thought that fractal bought those reviews because really no III I saw some comments of like why is every single review were calling this like the best case at the price point period because it is because if you look at the fractal define r4 which is hugely popular and there were some things people said hey if you did this the divine r4 would be like just balls to the wall excellent and they did it and this is what they did with the divine r5 so as a promise to you guys everyone said I had a lot of suggestions for that but I had a lot of people said go for it epic water cooling building to define r5 so that's our reason for the case the power supply I'm actually also going to be using a fractal Newton I think a thousand watt this is what I'm going for for that that hasn't arrived yet but that will also be here for the power supply so big thanks fractal for those and then lastly the parts I had been waiting on just so I could do this video because we're going to be going over the water clean stuff here pretty soon is the graphics cards and I knew I wanted gtx 980 s because they're kind of the newest and fastest GPUs that are out there keep you snob well that's always my opinion when you go for when you're going for custom water-cooling i feel like you should already have the top things and then you want to push it beyond that that's right we'll talk about that more yes so we're going to do a little we're gonna do a little pro and cons here in just a second so these are the gigabytes g1 gaming windforce edition gtx 980 s and these things are absolute monsters they are the fact they're so heavy you would think there was already water blots on there yeah it's got a massive copper so the let's just move into the next section alright so gigabyte g1 gaming GTX 980 s 2 of these I'm going to be going for a 2-way SLI configuration with the 980 s and these are going to be water cooled with EK water cooling components which are solid copper oh yes what didn't have makeup nickel version and copper versions and that's a big reason why I invited Jay over here was because the water cooling side of it is something that I admittedly have not delved into a whole lot so let's let's go in the neck the section 2 of this video and I'm sad to admit I probably have every water cooling skew memorized on the market which I do not so I'm glad you're here Jay to help out was for this particular aspect so let's talk about water cooling let's talk not about your your all-in-one loops that are very accessible and easy to find these days let's talk about custom full-blown individual water cooling where you have a reservoir you've got a block on the CPU you've got a block from GPU you're looping them all together you're building it yourself and deciding where each component should go and how the loop should run and what radiators to use and all that good stuff now I have not done this very much and and here are my reason all I've done it yes ok what I haven't done is built for myself a full water-cooled system I've never done that I've done of course the minor water cooling with all-in-one loops and I have setup custom loops for testing like the asus poseidon graphics card i set up a little basic look at that so I'm familiar with it I've set it up and I've helped other people with water cooling builds but I don't have that breadth of experience where I've done it many many times right in the past excuse me so here's a real little in your eye burp that kind of broke this I was like but I recovered it is a scary thought and it seemed overwhelming when your first personal build is going to be an extreme build like this which you know you kind of have almost no no limit on what you can do and no and that's a scary thought it's a scary thought so the reasons I have it done water cooling the past and then I'm going to ajaita tell the reasons he has because I think there's a lot of reasons on both sides and it depends kind of who you are and where you're at in the industry but the reasons I haven't is because to my mind it's it's a heavy investment a full custom loop is probably going to run you three four hundred bucks minimum oh three women a six and good night sleep yeah if you're going for really really simple for just the CP but for just CPU but but if you want to go beyond that your product in six seven hundred eight hundred bucks at least at least and lose fittings and all that stacks skunkworks for instance even if it were a two way can fake is it's three way which you know each each graphics card block is going to run you 120 bucks around there abouts plus the backplate if I do back plates another thirty and you've got you got two of them so you're talking two hundred and fifty plus dollars just for GPU yeah and that doesn't include fittings or pipes or any of that and that's just that so it's substantial and to my mind I've always shopped for computer parts with a very like kind of frugal right right viewpoint and to my mind I'm like well after you drop all that stuff in after you overclock your cpu and your GPU because that's really where you're getting the benefit is the overclocking and also possibly that the noise performance if you're going for very silent type of but I'm feeling this is going to be a long video guys to strep it that's alright it's gonna be okay it's gonna be like it's me a couple podcast I like these types of discussion but I'm like 3d printing discussions with Jerry man I can go all day we're water going oh that's a that's another video entirely but but it's it's never made that much sense to me to invest that amount of money for the performance improvement you get where if you're already running top top level components you're going to get what maybe another ten fifteen four to nine 80s it's not going to help your max overclock really much if at all okay you might get five percent on top of your where you are going to be with these coolers especially with these cool does it cost to performance ratio of your water cooling loop at this hard work you know where you are now it's probably going to be a way upside down it's not going to make sense but really you know it comes down to you have the best hardware and you kind of want to take it to that next level but yeah that that is one of the cons of water cooling is the cost to investment on return for performances is a little bit upside down so if you're looking at this strictly from an ROI perspective start it's it's not that great and then the other thing that comes to mind and that's all literally only because we have these gigabyte g1 gaming graphics cards is I feel like the graphics cards that you want to water cool and and are the ones that have the nicest frickin coolers on them by default right because the companies that they put a little effort they build their own PCB they do special stuff with the power delivery and everything like that back plate and then they over build it they drop a back plate in there very nice back plate and and then they have this epic cooler on here which if you're if you're just dropping this in a system is is fantastic this is what 300 now this one's even more about 50 right it's near 500 watts yes okay so the amount of heat dissipation this this cooler has is absolutely phenomenal yeah um so what we're gonna do when we are cool is take that off and not use makes a good just led somewhere it does actually have yeah I have the r9 290 X's just the coolers up back there so they do look nice but just to kind of end on that point of return on investment is where I started with water cooling the whole reason it existed was the hardware at the time was incredibly hot I mean they had made some amazing advancements in technology when it comes to TDP and he you know generation generated inside the components and you had to water cool to get to the next level as you were hitting thermal caps before you ever hit you know performance or voltage limits so as those progressions have have advanced and evolved over time over the last let's say 10 or 12 years I've been doing it it's started to make even less sense because you can get the same performance out of air as you could at the time with water so that makes perfect sense especially we go back to like but like Pentium 4 days that sort of thing yeah those land like the GTA in the GTX 8800 ultras 8800 DTX 400 series well the foreman of series was notorious just a furnace good lord yeah so those are some more benefits that you might have had if you go back if you use an industry but obviously I'm doing this build so the the cons I've mentioned just now I was able to get over so let's talk about the pros now there's a lot of code now obviously keeping your components cooler could potentially extend extend their lifespan I think that's a benefit the noise factor I think is one that originally I was like Oh build a water-cooled system you don't need anything this was like way way back yeah it's like you don't need any fans to cool it and then it's completely silent well you still need fans but by taking the heat that's being generated by your GPU and CPU moving them to a big radiator you can have large fans that don't need to spend too fast and you can get a acquirer running system at that you're going for or you can add more radiator space for larger surface area and go with super slow fans like 500 600 rpm so that'd be nice that's an open I think I'm gonna lean towards making us a nice quiet system I think I think that's so equal of course with the performance in there as well now I think the number one reason though when it comes down to like if you're going to do a system like this today right now with current generation hardware is just like for the love of DIY it's and enthusiasts it's an enthusiast thing it's it's your hobby you mentioned asking why I do it and it's an enthusiast thing I'm gonna tell you a quick story of my very first time really dealing with are really starting to get into water cooling okay Alex it involved Alienware no I actually owned for a leery pretty best buy right Oh pre Dale Pearlman where I was like when a li where was it started when they were like hot yeah I mean they I had already dealt with some water cooling stuff before we go with fish pump acquire aquarium pumps no and and vinyl tubing from Home Depot and I've used that before yeah and making your own trying to make your own copper blocks and stuff uh it was fun but I had I had gotten an alienware desktop that had an all-in-one cooler in it that had leaked though on me and so I decided well at that point I'm just going to go ahead and go balls to the wall I'm going to build something custom and it all started there I mean this was this was 2003 2004 okay somewhere along those lines so that's why something going on 12 years now have having not owned an air-cooled system since then Wow so it's one of those things where once you do it it kind of becomes your own personal expectations for your bills and so you always plan for that if I couldn't afford to do the water cooling at the time of build I waited I didn't do that I'm going to build it as air first and I'm going to convert it later I just did it all from day one but it's purely an enthusiast thing really so and that's where I think a lot of the community when it comes to building your own PC has really kind of gravitated towards this because building a PC it's not as popular as it used to be because it's not as much again as a value proposition I originally got into building my own computers because if you looked at the pre-built ones and you looked at how much you could build your own computer for you could save 250 bucks right but then it would take really exist at the time that's not the case anymore you can buy a pre-built computer and you can pretty much part out your own computer the same and they'll be ready to work they and get warranty so that's our quick introduction I hope you guys have enjoyed us rambling on about water cooling here for a while but that's kind of some of the pros some of the cons I wanted to get both sides of it here since we're just starting out on this project there's definitely more posing concepts there are more we could go on but I think for the site I didn't nutshell it though okay give me two more minutes all right I'm not gonna get Jace on a nutshell pros potential leaking maintenance it's not maintenance for con soon these are cons right wait I'm sorry yes okay these are Blizzard these are the good cons no I don't know okay their cons maintenance they could possibly leak Pro ROI is terrible that those have kind of always been the main three there's more work involved in the setup and you lose you lose warranty on the cards when you take that second part the pros though is you can build a stylet PC you do get thermal tons of thermal overhead better overclocking really it looks awesome it really does especially put time into your loop oh yeah if you go something like acrylic there's more time invested but it just looks amazing the contour kerlick is you cannot easily maintain your system in terms of swapping out parts not quite as flexible as the flexible yeah yeah it's no there's no I see what you did haha but really in the end when it's all done and put together you're gonna look at it and you're gonna enjoy looking at your PC as much as you do whatever all you do on your piece I do I enjoy looking at Jays computer that's become the game for me though all right the game for me now is the building it's the customizing that is my game and I build these systems and then I don't game on them as much as I should because I'll be gaming on it and I'll just be looking at the system going you know what that little thing is bugging there so I'm going to redo the cables right I just did all the custom cables and their custom sleeve cables that were done by sanctum sleeving and everyone's like well that just seems like a terrible waste but that's a perspective thing that's a that's a that's a subjective thing and and and that's what I like doing I think you might be starting something here that you might not be able to put a lid on this is gonna be this is my gateway drug I'm gonna have to this is constantly be building and upgrading and all of that good stuff which I'm okay with and I actually will say that the potential that we're seeing here like the the kind of just started build or the Midway build like I really like that yeah and I think I felt like with you where the the completed build once it's there and it's sitting there and it sits there for a while and you play on it like oh this is awesome it's really fast and then time goes by and you start looking at Indic I could do more like well I I'm getting ready I'm planning to redo all of the acrylic tubing in my system again well I hope you'll do a video on that oh they're probably a series all right and it's all it all comes down to that stupid little Bend that showed its way in the build because of moving from z97 x99 and it was off by one centimeter because of the way that the pass-through fittings are drilled so well and I'm sure I'm sure it'll be epic once you're all finished alright so we have two more things to talk about on this video and one is going to be the actual water flowing parts which obviously aren't here right now but we're actually going to be picking those out now that we have the graphics cards chosen and we know the rest of the components of the build we can kind of plan where everything is going to go in the define our five what we're going to need as far as the GPU block CPU blocks fittings with all that good stuff so we're gonna pull up the ek website here and then I still have one important question for you guys at the end of this video so um it's going to be a yes or no I'm sure I know it's an important question all right oh so we're taking a look at the EK water blocks EK WB website j is here my trusted assistant I trust him implicitly with everything advice and looking at me funny J but anyway so uh ek what webs just failing failing at talking we make videos things I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and click on the online store right over here and let's take a look at what they got going on so we have a so what are we going to eat here we talked earlier not on camera but mind you but we talked about the parts of a computer being like case power supply motherboard CPU memory graphics card storage and then optical drive which is kind of more of an option at this point what are the primary components going into a water cooling loop okay well you've got your CPU okay guaranteed needed part CPU block okay fittings tubing pump reservoir radiator so there's six main components that you need okay well okay seven if you include fluid but that's kind of a given alright and then optional stuff obviously would be GPU blocks any other blocks might be like motherboard blocks or Ram blocks which really tiers onto your limb tears which aren't that important yeah but in your case you're going to need the eight right including fluid you'll need the eight components but you're going to be the GPU blocks as well as the other fluids okay so should we start with some water blocks over here that would be a good place to start all right you know II K's got quite the range because they've got three different main types of blocks okay definitely you're going to want to go for is so do CPU block for all right let's take a look at that's given you're going to want to go with the EQ supremacy Evo that's our top end block right there if you've one go just no-holds-barred well what else what else would we want now by default they all come installed with the Intel bracket okay which is obviously what you want but they've got a lot of different materials they've got you know I've got white you can see they've have a kind of a white acrylic or not acrylic the palm type of material going on okay um I did it got like what I have on my test bench was like a full nickel one which looks really sick so if you're doing a black and white build though I would recommend probably either doing the white which would look really good on that X on an idol of wood or the solid black the the clean version now what you're going to notice is two variants of block okay in that there's a nickel block and a copper block for CPU I personally always do copper that way the nickel doesn't affect temperatures at all it's mostly an aesthetic thing but you don't see it and it's nice to get that direct copper contact oh yeah rather than going through thin micro sub the nickel is actually plating on the copper that goes into context it's still copper base okay yeah alright so I personally always do copper blocks because they don't you can't see the block from the perspective you're looking at it so if I want a black that would be this one here without a nickel the Evo acetal right it's always going to be copper unless it says nickel okay and then we've got also got the white editions alright the white edition has a silver bracket like a nickel bracket with the white like a palm material okay and then you've got some colored options or cleared you know what your just aesthetics yeah I think I kinda want to get the solid but I'm thinking I feel like white I think the white would look good on that on that day it would look nice because there's a lot of black going on in the case already and I think the right would stand out a little bit more right so there's a a look at it there you can zoom in on the site and everything and look at it closer although I guess I should use the slider it's very yes now the nice thing about the block that I had though if you kind of wanted to go with bling is the full nickel block is not it's it's not an acetal material okay it's actually metal so there's no chance of ripping oh just ripping the thread ah there's no chance of stripping them okay now threads are fittings you just want to put on hand tight plus like a little bit of return okay so you should be cranking him down with a tool anyway all right well oh look they even have the hydraulic characteristics listed here they do but even though I trust EK i still would never just trust a manufacturer's chart and always look at independent reviewers testing real tell alright so there's kind of like fan specs right yeah you look at manufactures fan specs and they're like the quietest most air flowing fan in the world yes they're always the best that and that in contrast ratio on monitors I guess that's another thing you technically need is fans but oh yeah yeah fans actually that's a good question all right we'll look into that a hundred thousand fans actually I do hi hi everyone head to food hi all okay hi Billy Bobby Jo just list them all what's the mall all right now I'm the the thing for moving over to GPU blocks now and I know exactly which GPU block we're gonna get cuz the only have one choice because there's only one choice and it just came out now this is an important distinction to make when you're looking at GPU blocks for water cooling which is any graphics card that comes out is going to have what's known as a reference design that's created by Nvidia or AMD and those are often what the GPU block manufacturers will come out with first right because they have the widest yeah because they vets that's the sample they get for some companies like ek actually had very good reputations and right and relationships with the board designers like in video named d so oftentimes they'll get an engineering sample first so that they can offer either day one or month one options which I know was the case for the 960s and such okay um so yeah reference designs are always going to come out first one off board partner PCBs like the Strix or the DCU two or the gigabyte g1 gaming those always take time to develop because EK has to either request or buy the blocks and then do all of the research and tooling and manufacturing oh my god I got a vet them all and install them and make sure that they're keeping all the different Grice writing that sort of thing let's do a and those blocks are actually manufactured down to like micron whelming that microns but super super accurate because the last thing you want is to create down your block and have it squish your piece your heat spreader on your GPU which will crush your die oh yeah you know what that in fact you cannot it is impossible to over-tighten the Nikkei water block and damage your graphics card because the threads literally stop on the screws and the female screw ports okay without damaging your cards you could crank it down you'll strip it out before you damage you now I think because I've been looking for the the proper water block down here and I think it's actually not listed on their store yet it just came out I think like the first week of is like yes so this is this is the water block dated for the GTX 980 gaming the do you want the gaming G one so they have it in nickel that's what they do have a few variants of it they have they're gonna have a full cover block which is like the black when you're seeing there and then they have a partial which is not a full what's up it's still okay let's talk about real quick difference between full cover and not full cover okay full cover means it touches the GPU the RAM and the VRM that's a full cover some people think full cover means it has to go from end to end dunnies not covered the entire PC right full cover just means you're covering all of the heat generated components with the block okay then the as you can see you have the the clear nickel version which is shorter now the reason why some people do that and they have a black one usually in most cases it's lighter okay once you put that solid cover on which my my 980 s have especially put a backplate to they are heavy you're gonna be dealing with a lot of it there's no way super heavy so as you can see that just you know you have some of the plexi there which is you know giving you some aesthetic overhang from the block itself but that block is going to be considerably lighter than say that one and this is the one I think we're going to be going with which is full cover but that I love the clean look of yeah it's super clean nice black finish you just got a little bitty kalo going on going on right there and it has screws that hold it down onto the block which is purely oh that's beautiful yeah that's its I love the super clean look so that's going to be the GPU block and then we have some other choices while making an option with that as backplate so you gonna do a backplate that's a good question now you I don't think the g1 gaming back plates are going to work with that oh so they went it wouldn't so we wouldn't need their design with these blocks or design in fact you should you should check it and see if it mentions it the design of their threading like I mentioned is specific to their block so that you don't over tighten okay so technically you could potentially over tighten it by not having the screws go all the way through because of the backlight right so we want to make sure that now since the 980 full cover block isn't listed on a story it I'm guessing so G one game yeah I'm sorry g1 gaming block isn't listed on the story I'm guessing it will have a backplate so they will have a backplate so we might not be able to show you guys that right now usually the backplate options for ek are solid black it's called they called the jet the jet stream okay I believe they call it jet stream it's like a solid black which has a real nice brushed effect in it which my what my blocks have for my back plates but usually they have a nickel one as you can see right there they have nickel blue red yellow so that's why I asked then the nickel looks really good if it's blingy and I kind of wished it had done a white powder coated version honestly that would be cool because because they didn't even offer nickel back plates or any of that until the Galax Hall of Fame cart became popular oh yeah then they needed a white option to go to white PCBs that's the funny thing because of all the video cards with back plates that I've seen the Galax ones that I have the white PCB is the one where I'm like you can go without a black back plate on that like yeah although all the extra money they invest to get that pure white PCB it's like that it right there I think this is it one zero is three back plates so there's the back plate that we're gonna go with again very clean look and very very straightforward just got the ek logo no no there's a lot of discussion about back plates and there's a reason why I put back plates on it yeah everyone knows I'm a stickler for back plates I always get a little bit you know anal when companies don't put back plates on high-end cars yeah it's an aesthetic thing and also if you developed a drip somewhere say your CP blockers oh yeah and it drips down on the back of those cards the back plate will give you some protection so you get some more protection that's a part of its a very practical I like I like when something maybe is a little aesthetic benefit but then when it actually has some practicality added there you go look on forms and things that people who've had water cooling catastrophes they always end up losing GPU because it drips on the Jeep yeah yeah that's terrible that's a terrible thing to lose as well alright so there's our back plate moving right along we're gonna need a pump or reservoir which we go furnish they actually have combo units oh well which are there's a lot of options now a lot of companies have found that in order to make them fit in cases more friendly there are pump reservoir combos but they don't take vertical one with the tube and then the pump sits at the bar right right which would be more like the the Ling DDC style pump okay which is a much smaller pump typically much more noisy though then you have the laying d5 pump which is the bigger heavy-duty like monstrous pump but usually variable speed much quieter at lower rpms I see I want quiet so maybe that would be a good good way to go no so the ek personally only offers reservoir um pump combos that are based up actually no they actually do have the D 5 series I take that back maybe five yeah so but the only thing I don't like about those personally is the reservoirs are only the small versions okay they don't have say that the 200 millimeter reservoir I like it a big res because it makes it easier to bleed and fill the system okay so in that case should we go with the separate then not a combo yeah a consideration at this point is gonna be like where in the case is the pump right and how many can having to have those hard drive cages you can have its dull that's the other thing well I think I can get away with with just the lower one or possibly even just hanging the one from the top it would probably be okay cuz you're gonna have more than two you also to keep in mind your radiator placement you're gonna have a tough red and a fret red because if you do that in that case you can only do a 360 and a 240 in the front hmm especially if you're going to do a 360 on the top I think you might lose the top now an option for the hard drives I think you're right it's good question this is the part that makes water cooling a PC is pain in the ass this is any times you think you've got it all figured out in the parts coming you start the build and you realize then he really doesn't have it off you have to have to go back to the drawing board and figure something out so um let's just check in here yeah off it here we go scientific way of checking so in that case where would you go from this point would you be taking the case apart and measuring things or would you just kind of ballpark it you know everything I've ever done has been ballpark ballpark I'll admit I like that I like that I've never busted a measuring tape I like to shoot from the hip all right so in that case uh because we want a taller reservoir right now there is an option that you can do with these you can make your own you go back to the to the reservoir combos okay actually where I put that area and then look at the EKG five series okay and let's say the middle one right there with the one one forty d5 all right I still think this would probably be your best option but this one here is just the reservoir you have to actually add the pump if you look at the other pictures you'll see that you have to you have to thread the pump into it okay but that still might be your best option in terms of compact and function that's cool in this case because you're not going to use you're not going to use the the optical bays in this thing because you're going to do a 360 read the top of you know yeah okay so something like this it will fit in there it won't take up too much space and it could probably fit that in the nice hard jacket or maybe mount something on top of a hard drive cage yeah yeah that's a possibility as well alright so and you might even have room to still between the motherboard and the cages although the way that the motherboard tray on this case kind of tapers you that that was the one drawback I didn't like about the r5 was the recessed motherboard tray yeah that's that's it's convenient in some situations but inconvenient and others right definitely alright so that's a good one like that and you said the d5 is the pump that you that you like as far as I like the defy power in noise generation right okay so let's go over to radiators shall we it's funny the DDC the smaller pump uh-huh actually has a higher flow rate okay but the d5 has higher head pressure which you're going to want higher head pressure when you have all these blocks in it so it's kind of like the horsepower versus torque conversation in cars ah v5 is like the v8 and the DDC is like a turbo import okay so we want we want torque yes we do it with all of this restriction you're gonna have yes cool all right so uh that's block that's a reservoir and pump radiators yeah all right let's take a look at that and here we want a 360 for the top mm-hmm and you think you should go dual radiators here you're gonna have two you get two guys alright assemble 360 even a thick rent would not be not not going to be enough right alright so for 360 we have the cool stream the X DX X DX DX you could fit that up top here if you click on it it's very it's a very clear it's like a 60 ml red that's really thick it's it's double thick compared to standard grads oh wow so on that one there you would have to use the built-in offset melt okay in here but I don't know how that's going to affect your front radiator with hard drive capability yeah that's another possibility so why don't we thinking especially since we're doing two radiators I can probably get away with not DX the XTX not the thick one yeah your batteries right now oh yeah so we should probably wrap this up alright so we got the cool stream W e360 right I would be confident in you using the ek cool streams okay they have higher fin density so it gives you more dissipation there 30 mil thickness and I would personally be comfortable using that some with the dual oh wait that's the wrong read thought I clicked on the 360 it's it 366 dual oh yeah so that's going to be like the two 180 millimeter oh yeah they're adding more sizes to this lineup and they do have we had more stuff coming so there you go so I would be I would feel confident using a triple one of these coupled with a 240 version okay that works so we'll have a 360 and a 240 300 316 the top 240 in the front right that'll give us plenty of us about to say areal density but that refers to hard drives I meant to say fin density or surface area right so that's what we're looking for with Hierophant with higher fin density radiators though you typically need a higher static pressure fan but EK has a really good design on that radiator I did a review of it where you can still run low low speed fans like say the NVE loop fans okay and get a ton of airflow through it that's good so I think we'll go with that for the radiators and then lastly we have accessories it's going to be fittings fittings tubing and tubing and I like a dance we'll be in there alright so and and the fans are also in here so ek has a basically E case fans are Gilad or gallop and okay oh and they do but if you look they have a new fan you remember the remember the ever-popular gentle typhoons oh yes I have something basically a brother Oh beautiful I really really liked him back all the way from like 1200 rpm up to 3000 rpm yeah I have a couple - 1800 rpm versions and guess what they're beautiful they made black ones really yes oh okay guess who's gonna be doing a review I think I might need to get some of those then alright so um tubing sighs we're gonna half inch little wide what do you like 3/4 uh I if I'm doing soft tubing I do like the 1/2 inch okay because it offers less restriction over the length of the loop but we're gonna probably do acrylic right if you want to do acrylic yeah it's gonna be small to me like 13 millimeter okay wheeze really that's a misconception we can put the bed right now guys tubing sighs in terms of computer builds does not affect performance alright : capacity whatsoever so thank our tubing does not equate to better cooling yeah but we're we're talk about computers of course computers yeah alright so then in that case my test bench is running 3/8 so okay all right so 3/8 inner diameter right yeah the only hard part about it is you're dealing with like standard versus metric now like you're looking at a site that's out in Slovenia oh yeah so they're very into the millimeters swear I'm cool with that yes I still have never memorized all this right and we have a nickel black nickel and then we got all black yeah but that's for soft tubing you can do soft to me or Chrome no I'm doing kerlick tubing yeah anything chances are I knew that chances are I don't know if they even have I know they sell their own line of acrylic tubing know if they have the fittings you have to check them out no okay um but primo chill is still kind of my go-to brand for acrylic fittings okay the got the revolver fittings double over down there they're actually they're actually really really good all right so we might need to diversify our opportunities here when it comes to the fittings and all the fittings are showing their soft tubing these are all soft tubing compression fittings right cool oh there they are they're hard rigid connectors hard tubing connectors oh look these have colors these are also compressions okay now the HD adapters those are basically they're built in like SLI bridge between motherboard oh sorry between graphics cards okay kind of like the they're very similar to the bits power ones make the crystal links you you can go ahead and get out of or no you're in the red section you'll want to definitely go with yeah get out of HD adapters and go to the rigid connector here HDC yeah they call it their heart hard line something another hard yeah and so there you go you can get those and they will actually screw down and the o-ring will compress as you tighten it and that will keep the tube secure okay then and it will be leak free beautiful the original rigid tubing stuff could easily under pressure pop out though because there was nothing holding in it it just pressure fit yeah so they've come a long way on that and they do offer white which could probably look really good okay so we got white finished fittings available in here so we need to get a set of these to match all right fittings that we need today you've got a 12 millimeter by G quarter threads right okay G quarter thread is the stand or threading will find in all your blocks some European companies like alpha cool like to do also a G 3/8 which is bigger doesn't it's not compatible with most components okay but at the IC 12 millimeter see if they have any 13 millimeter I see 12 and 16 yes so you might end up going with another brand or the fittings and the reason why I say that and I love you k they're just starting to get into rigid stuff okay is 12 millimeter is thin wall which makes bending a bit more complicated Oh probably a lot easier to like that one millimeter makes a huge difference banding okay so that's something especially since this I mean Jays got experience with that but I'm I want to get in there and do some myself so we might want to go with something that's a little bit more friendly towards possible ya mess ups or whatever the last thing you should probably keep in mind with fittings o especially acrylic is you have a choice you have to make are you going to bend it if you do you need to buy a bending kit mm if you're not going to bend it then you need to take into account all the extra elbow fittings you're going to need to make the bends so you can go straight acrylic tubing in the noose fittings for the bends of the right which is actually very quick and easy to install you cut it down to length and then use you know dual 990 fitting that has you know female ends on both sides that you put two more kerlick fittings into and then just plug them in and there's your Bend okay it looks a lot more cluttered that way it actually looks good on some builds but bending is always the cleanest look kind of cheapest depends how like utilitarian you want if you decide to do the the fitting bending method mm-hmm expect your fittings to run you three four or five hundred dollars depending on the things yeah that's a plus every every time you need to angle the the direction then yeah so I think I'm gonna go I think we're gonna bend we're gonna bend the acrylic I kind of like that idea a little bit more plus you save on the fittings that way and excellent that that pretty much wraps up like Canada the parts I think that that we're going to go with here we need to get this all out of the carton itemized and all that kind of thing and I need to count this up so don't worry guys I know this video has been very long but trust me there's more more to come since this is just the initial kickoff for this build but I told you at the beginning and thank you for coming to the end of the video if you listen to the beginning watch the whole thing that very important question for you now Jays build right now his primary system has a really cool code name I was trying to think of a code name for my build that also sounded equally badass so I was thinking of possum factory I'm thinking awesome factory project foo Manchu project foo Manchu cuz cuz that's like your thing like this here that that's not a fulfillment of adventure you gotta have going all the way around everything has its soul patch its project soul patch perhaps project names are always a heart you know you're like possum factory skunk skunk works possum factory I guess but your I thought that I thought that was hilarious but now I'm just I'm I'm kidding um but I like Lockheed Martin so that's why I did so that in the case looked very very stealth fighter II with the color yes and it made it made perfect sense for that built so my my build is black and white overall we've talked about a lot of components that are going in so stock works could have worked for you that's what the best earlier skunkin makes sense for that but now wait so we need it we need a name for this build I haven't decided on one yet I have a few ideas kicking around but I think you guys might with the power of your combined minds and intellect maybe could think of something that really fits for this build so consider the parts that are in here consider that we got fractal stuff we yes gigabyte video cards we got ek components going in there asus motherboard epic build project black and white it's like product wash pit going on mosh pit I like that we have a nice a nice blend of manufacturers going on in this build too I always kind of like taking multiple I always like to name it though based on kind of the aesthetics okay right so like for me things that come to mine are not like I don't know if you're trying to go it's like funny but like for me like project monochrome seems kind of crappy well it's black and white right because it be very little color in there the names that I think appeal most to me are the ones I got chromatic the ones I have dual meanings I like it to have multiple like you can look at it different ways so that but is what appeals to magic Auto chromatic so guys let me know in the comments section down below what you think I should name this build because an epic name would be cool and then I thought I had another question I was going to ask we already asked that earlier in the video right we asked for some opinion on something it's been a while this video if you guys can't tell has been longer than originally in plans so thanks for sticking through us the whole way I hope if you're thinking about building a water-cooled system that you've learned a little bit from this build leave us your water-cooling questions as well because we're going to be doing like I said more videos following up on this and then eventually IJ's has told me that he will be happy to come by and lend his hand when we actually do the full assembly but that's still especially always especially if you're gonna Bend especially we're gonna bend you'll need a lot of extra pipe I need help an extra pipe in it if J is good at one thing it's providing lots of thank you pay well there was that one Tech Talk episode well then we'll end on that note though so thank you guys so much for watching this video don't forget to hit the like button don't forget to subscribe subscribe to Jay's channel if you're not already it's Jay's two cents thank you for watching this video we'll see you all later