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dates for their na'vi based graphics cards we talked about the CPU side of things on kylos half of the show we're gonna talk about that a little bit more in the way of opinion stuff alehrer on in my my show so stick around for that but um here's what we have on the na'vi side and this article's for pc gamer we have the Radeon rx 5700 XT seen here being held up by AMD CEO Lisa Lisa soo it's gonna cost four hundred and fifty dollars us it has a two hundred and twenty-five watt TDP forty compute units two thousand five hundred and sixty stream processors eight gigs of Gd dr six clocked at fourteen Giga transfers per second 14 gigabits per second as the transfer speed for 448 gigabytes per second of total bandwidth they're pitching it as a 1440p gaming graphics card and then frequencies are a base clock of 1605 a boost clock of 1905 and something that they're calling game clock which is 1755 megahertz years use all those there's all those stats right there if you're wondering about these clock speeds down here game clock the one in the middle is kind of like the lower end of your expected frequency that you'd be running at while you're just playing a normal normal video game right you know and that will vary depending on the game and depending on your system and depending on your cooling and lots of stuff like that but basically what AMD told us is while you're actually gaming what you should be seeing is a frequency somewhere between your game clock and the boost clock boost clock is more like an ideal like if you have really good cooling and you're keeping everything nice and chilly in there and you know you're playing the game that the graphics card can keep up with I guess then you should be seeing something closer to the boost clock but it's it's a different way it's sort of a newer way of describing things when I have been talking about clock speeds for graphics cards like what NVIDIA has been doing for quite some time ever since they started saying like look we don't have a fixed frequency it changes which is a good idea yeah I typically talk about the base clock that they give the max frequency which would be kind of like what they're saying it's boost clock here and then I usually try to give an average frequency which is my experience what I see in actual gameplay real-world results so you know hopefully that plays out when in testing and the frequencies that they're giving here are accurate it's a little confusing because I feel like the game clock is it almost fits the description of like what you would imagine a base clock would be because like AMD is saying like this is sort of like they're not like really guaranteeing it but they're saying the majority of gamers are can expect to see at bare minimum this clock speed in games which in my mind sounds like a bass clock like this is the bass expectation but in reality the bass clock is what bass clock right but then the bass clock is like if you were running like super heavy under load like stress test applications correct I'm hearing you're right you're saying that this game clock here to you seems to indicate that it's more like a bass clock or that it sounds like have a bass clock that's called bass clock well it sounds like bass clock would be the better suited name for what the game clock represents I don't know if I agree with you there but like so what they said is is if you're running fur mark or something like that yeah a power virus type GPU test synthetic test which puts stress levels on the GPU that you would never get anywhere close to it with with any normal video game right then you will be running at the base clock because it's getting hotter because it's under the most extreme strenuous right environment or testing scenario this is the lowest frequency that it should be running at it short and I think like based on what they said it'll down clock below this if it's idle or something like that if you're just on the desktop if you're not doing something that's 3d rendered right um so I like I don't know and maybe they should have called it a min clock or something I mean like I think min clock would be more because if it's gonna be if if they're saying that the actual frequency is gonna operate between game clock and boost clock min and boost seems kind of like the perfect kind of end cap you know description of what those frequencies represent no game clock just sounds weird okay and I'm a big nit picky it's very enough well I mean well we'll see how this plays out and whether its nomenclature that catches on or anything yeah there's also a Radeon rx 5700 which is the lower end version this one's gonna be 379 US dollars 380 this one is a lower TDP as 175 watts so about 50 watts less than the XTS 225 36 computing it units through 2300 for stream processors 8 gigs of GDD are 6 running at the same speed as far as I as far as I've been told and then lower clock speeds basically yeah it seems to be you know you got a slightly cut-down GPU and then lower clock speeds to hit that lower TDP and you know about 70 bucks cheaper and is that the is that the actual what it's gonna look like the crowd yeah so it's not going to have that sort of dent in it like the cheaver no so the the 5700 has this shroud design which is a lot more reminiscent of like the Radeon seven that they launched a few months back right so I mean that's pretty clean looking at everything internally from I believe the blower style cooler they have is exactly the same so this is just an aesthetic exterior here's my video where I have a bit of footage of this shroud which is for the 5700 XT and it's got this sort of little dent in the middle little divot right there and I've seen various feedback on that from people who say that it's it looks cool to other people who are like it's just squished right there it looks like a dent it looks like a dent it follows the contour so if you look internally at the at the layout of the blower fan and everything and that's like it's got a vapor chamber that's over here and these typically will take the blower fan and sort of direct the air that's being pushed so it curves in there so you don't like you don't need to keep it open there I think is why they decided to do that I guess but I don't know I'm sure it's an aesthetic thing so some people will love it some people hate it they just want to make it a little different I think this is C Steve back there but yeah just creeping yeah oh trying to get epic b-roll what is this Steve's in there just like I'm gonna measure something here but you know he's just doing it to sabotage your video he's clearly look at the look in his eye right out to get a pause this so he's got his own look Houston that's a sadistic Steve right he's got kind of he's like smiling you can tell he's got like a joker grin yeah he does look at how sharp the angle is of his eyebrow yeah that's like I'm gonna kill someone angle and I asked somebody who's doing he wouldn't tell me after that so it's very gonna measure you measure your body Palmer's Nexus branded ruler yes but Steve was there it was good to catch up with Timothy yeah good peeps other than that I mean we we have all these specs we have oh I guess we have these benchmark charts that AMD put out which are right here so oh yeah that's the best now bear in mind when you're looking at these charts that like marketing charts they they they've changed the way the layouts of graphs pretty frequently so the r-tx 27b here the Graybar for that is representing 100 percent of the r-tx 20 70s performance so it might be hitting different frames per second in each of these games they're showing here Assassin's Creed Odyssey battlefield 5 black ops for Far Cry nude on Metro Exodus and so on and then they're showing percentage-wise how much faster or slower the 5700 XT is by and large it is faster you know slower and a couple games shadow of the Tomb Raider and sub 6 it also has the quality setting that they're using here so basically what they're saying is that the 850 200 XT in their testing is faster than the RT X 2070 in this set of games by and large and they threw in a couple games where it was slower just to show that they're being fair mm-hmm we also have this chart which is the 5700 compared to the RT X 2060 similar layout here 100% performance for the 2060 and then plus percentage points for how much faster they say that the d700 is yeah so you know what what you see here and in these charts is CN notes are X 366 so the full deck for these which this is something that came to mind when I was doing my video yesterday the full deck for these is available to press so we can download it from like a shared source that AMD shares with press yeah and that at the very end has a bunch of footnotes that says like oh you know these tested with this test introduced configuration or whatever like that yeah I feel like a lot of these get shared with people and they can't necessarily reference that information right and I'm bringing this up with the full knowledge that I don't have that information that I pulled up to share with you guys right now anyway yeah I don't either so point being you know it's always grain of salt you never know how accurate these benchmarks are going to be when they come directly from the manufacturer and whether or not they sort of massage something or tried to slip something in one way or another yeah this is marketing at the end of the day this is marketing but then there's also some other things you have to consider let's take let's let's assume this is a cure and the performance numbers are there and that d50 750 700 XD are faster than what AMD is pitching them against the r-tx 2060 and 2070 you also have to keep in mind that the r-tx 2016 2070 are six and ten months old at this point they've been out for a bit they are also built on 12 nanometer technology as opposed to the seven nanometer that na'vi is based on right and they have lower T DPS so Navi has a higher TDP despite being on 7 nanometre versus 12 nanometer right 2060 RT x 2060 is 160 watt TDP 2070 is 175 watt TDP so all this is to say when I got all the news about like the Rison 3000 stuff and the Navi stuff on the Navi side I'm glad this is a this is here this is using our DNA which is a new completely new GPU architecture so it is a successor to GCN it's not some REE you know it's not a rehash of GC n or anything like that like the Radeon 7 was so you know we're seeing some potential here but you don't have tensor cores you don't have Hardware ray-tracing support which might not be important to you at all right but it is something that you get with the RT X stuff yeah it's a beat right here that you're not getting with that so mm-hmm all this is stuff that you know you should keep in mind if you're considering a GPU purchase and whatnot so I think these are going to be competitive in the mid-range I don't know if the prices that they came out with or like sticking it to Nvidia quite as much as a different I saw a lot of people say you know 50 bucks off of both of these and be like wow these are yeah you know super definitely gonna buy these over the Nvidia options right at 450 bucks if you're comparing the Radeon 5700 XT to supposedly the $500 RTX 2070 you know the RT X 2070 is 450 bucks these days - they're available and they do dip down below and videos MSRP that they first that they first pitched last night Rick they were all at 500 on new egg oh really yeah I couldn't find one for less than call me a lie for 95 call me Larry I didn't check Amazon so maybe on Amazon they're cheaper check this right now cuz Kyle's Kyle's trying to call me by my and main mo okay we've got we've got a four for 79 we've got a 479 option here on our 79 EVGA it's a pretty standard one how do you even buy the twenty series oh there it is 479 is the cheapest I'm seeing for RTX fly it was also a blower style em aside one that's probably not as good well cording to the article they dip down to 450 but maybe you gotta wait for final yeah I was 475 Wow oh it's okay yeah all right I was looking at new but but I definitely thought that the I thought that the r-tx armed sorry the 5,700 xt pricing was a bit more competitive than the non xt because you can find r-tx 2060s for 350 bucks - undercuts the MSRP on the 5700 by about $20 and i think in that case AMD is hoping you'll look at the memory allocation yeah eight gigs versus six gigs and I mean if you're looking at 1440 game gameplay there's an argument to be made you know that that's that might be a selling point for yeah so so they go yeah and I apologize for lying to everyone about the 430ex 27 wasn't your fault I blame wait who wrote this PC world article Paul Lilly damn it Paul go damn it Paul bringing shame oh wait no no never mind it wasn't following we can't even blame the right person it was Jared Jared goddamn it he was there at the blame Jared okay speaking of Paul Lilly let's move on to the next thing to talk about Intel so so we already talked on Kyle's half about the raisin 3000 series stuff we're gonna do some opinion questions in just a minute intel has come out they came out a day before AMD's events and they said come beat us in real world gaming AMD yeah shots fired and stuff which is interesting because until this is a different sort of tack than intel has taken in the past and tell in the past you asked him about AMD when it comes to competition and and their their response was more likely going to be whoo yeah and basically not even acknowledge the existence or viability of AMD at all which in my opinion if you're trying to throw shade is a better way to go that's I mean if you're trying to throw shit I think I don't think you should bother throwing shade at all right you should you should stand on the you know the merits of the product that you're putting out and be like look you guys not performance and you'd be enough yeah but if you're gonna throw shade I feel like that's a little bit more classy way of doing it but you know they decided to do this this time around which was to say so you're going to hear a lot about gaming CPUs this week I haven't heard this day may or may not come from certain three-letter acronyms hmm I love how the different competitors refer to each other I know they usually say our competitor right and then every once awhile they accidentally say them by name and it's like Voldemort we said the name that said here's what I want to challenge you I want to challenge you to challenge them if they want this crown come beat us in real world's gaming real world gaming should be the defining criteria that we use to assess the world's best gaming CPU this is from John Carvel who's Intel's VP of Marketing it was an interview with PC games n he said I challenge you to challenge anyone that wants to compete for this ground to come meet us in real worlds gaming that's the measure that we're going to stand by well John once we get rising 3,000 C serious CPUs that is exactly what we will do it's not 100% about just real world gaming though anymore is it because well that's just one cell to like that's been my sort of statement for the past couple years now since risin has been a viable option has been like look if you all you ever gonna do is game and he never planned a stream or encode video or do anything that's like CPU heavy lifting then go for Intel because you're gonna get better performance out of the graphics card that you choose to pair it with across all scenarios but granted that's mostly at the lower ends 1080 resolution where you're more CPU limited than GPU limited but the point still stands that that might be a better overall experience for you if the case is the gaming performance is pretty much equivalent whether you're dealing with Intel or AMD then it drops down to the next most important thing on your list when it comes to what you want your CPU to do if it if both the CPUs are gonna game just fine or not discern not in a discernibly difference manner to one another then after that you'd be like alright how does the video transcoding go with one versus the other what am i buying when it comes to core on thread counts if the single at the single core single thread performance is roughly equivalent then you can look directly at the cores and threads and be like well I'm getting more cores and more threads with the CPU versus the CPU for less money or for the equivalent amount of money and then you have to make a decision based on that so it's just interesting for Intel to come out and say this for one simply because it's not something that you've heard typically from their marketing department in the past and I mean I'm very curious to see especially given the fact that of all of the benchmark information that that AMD shared in the past day or two they came out and said look all of these numbers that we that we gathered we're done without the most recent Windows 10 updates that improve the Intel the Windows 10 scheduler to prioritize a single CCX on Rison CPUs and I think thread Ripper as well which which does amazing things for gaming because that because enter CCX latency is what causes the latency that slows down gaming performance in certain scenarios so it doesn't have that intel has shown to be susceptible to a significant number of security exploits that have come out recently and the patches for those can often drag down their performance and be also said that they Intel benchmarks they ran did not have those updates for security mitigations for stuff like spectre so like what's I don't know what's get what's gonna happen when we do what John is asking us to do here and test with these with this update it's not what the software updates in place and is he going to be eating his words if the if it turns out the gaming performance is equal because that's all they're really looking for if your gaming performance is equal then why would you buy an Intel CPU yeah when you can get like all the other areas of performance you can get much more for your money with AMD right and we're talking about a platform that AMD has been supporting for three plus years now exact that they've come out with now three generations of processors that still work on there's a lot of people who may be invested in 300 series motherboards even 400 series who are very happy about the fact that hey these news processors I can just buy one and drop it into my existing system exactly yeah so I think AMD has very intentionally targeted a lot of the areas that Intel has not been consumer-friendly right and they've not been consumer friendly by holding back hyper threading except to the highest end CP CP used they've not been consumer friendly by not maintaining the same platform even going with the same socket 1151 like oh no 300 some other boards you need you need the new motherboard for this stuff overclocking some overclocking unlocks for overclocking support they're hitting them on all these points and up to until now Intel has been able to say well we still have the high that we still have the best performing processors we still the best performing processors for gaming for single core performance and if that goes away like what what doesn't they'll have to make an argument for got no cards right so and and even if they are better like at some point people gonna be like alright if it's if if AMD is just close enough if they're like within five maybe 10% of the performance that's almost going to be negligible in real-world experience people are still I feel like the people who do their research before buying are still gonna see the value in the AMD platform it's like okay you were quite ahead you are you are a long a long ways ahead of AMD in terms of gaming performance and now maybe you're not you're still number one but AMD is now closed the gap so much to the point where all the other benefits of the platform outweigh that 5% benefit that Intel offers you don't mean it's like I in my book they don't even aim he doesn't even have to match Intel at this point they have so much else riding for them that they could just get within pretty close and that'd be good enough for me to say I'm switching over you know what I mean and all that said as as enthusiastic as I am about what AMD has been doing recently all Intel really needs to do at this point once AMD comes out with whatever they come out with is price cuts that's not uncommon you know that happens pretty regularly yeah when new products come out price cuts are done to slightly older products to make them more competitive with the newer products Intel doesn't usually do that though right but you see like even Nvidia who you could argue is kind of up there with Intel when it comes to their own opinion of their own products which which you could argue is valid in everything but I don't together.that but even NVIDIA comes up with price cuts and they said I carry at the base price of the whatever GPU is then I can't think of an example alright at the top of my head but point being if Intel were to come out and be like alright we recognized this new competition in the marketplace well done AMD here's a round of price cuts that now make sure to make our products sit in different families and different categories if they were to do that then you'd be okay its bits we're fight we're back in this but right until that happens I'm gonna be looking at the core and thread counts of what's available for eyes the 3000 series and being like look anyone who's asking me what to buy gonna get more ya for your money with this and that's so true about nvidia and intel like the opinion they have of their own products like to do a to do a like a family wide price cut is to swallow your pride in a lot of ways for a company right it's basically saying that our products are not worth as much as we initially said they were and so I feel like with Intel being the champ in the CPU space for so long for them to sort of eat their words in that sense is I don't know I feel like that their ego might be too big still that they haven't been taken down enough rungs to actually price drop and so maybe they're still relying on people just seeing Intel as a household brand and who haven't even heard of Rison you know and they still have enough cash flow coming in in other areas to to stay profitable it'll be interesting to see how how much pride they swallow you know with this launch if they actually do price and just to just to clarify and bring the stuff down to back down to earth as real vision gaming is pointing out these parts are not out yet we are doing somewhat of forward-looking here yeah we have not verified all the smartnumbers that AMD has come out with so all of the stuff we're saying right now about the validity of AMD's products might go out the window if it turns out once we get the parts and test them that you know Andy's numbers were false or misleading or whatever then that or that there's some secret hidden thing that is causing the performance to be what it is that could be the case I'm not expecting that but as always is as you guys should always do wait for those independent reviews for now though you know we're looking we're looking at what is hopefully going to be a launch that gives a lot of people some pretty good options for choosing some really high end high quark out CPUs on a mainstream platform yeah so cool excited about that all right one more story to go over here real quick before we do a little bit of QA and stuff no wait but before that we were being brought my wife has brought us cookies I want you to take a bite did you guys make these yeah I mean I made them so take a bite and see if you can tell me what the secret ingredient is oh there's a secret there's a secret ingredient okay do you you think about that while I talk about this I know what my news story which is the xbox game past PC which is actually a pretty cool thing from Microsoft when it comes to Xbox like Xbox gaming if you're a PC gamer doesn't always get you very excited but they have this thing called Xbox game pass for PC users who are using Windows 10 it's a subscription-based service right now you can sign it for five bucks a month but I think that's a temporary discount yeah if you signed up yesterday it was $1.00 for the first month but I'm five bucks a month it is eventually going to go up to a flat $10 monthly fee but you install a loader or you install sort of like a steam at kind of client yeah and saw client app on your Windows 10 computer and then you can access a hundred like 100 plus games hmm this is supposedly going to be a rotating library of games so what I'm kind of curious about is what happens like if the library rotates in a game that you're playing suddenly isn't available anymore or anything like that hopefully they have solutions for that especially if it's a longer game that takes a lot of time and you have a save and you want to keep playing it or maybe they just keep adding games I don't know but point being for now this is a list of games it's going to be available so if you played Xbox games and you're nostalgic and you want to play them again or if there are Xbox games that you never played for instance the halo series which you can see Spartan assault Spartans strike definitive edition and Halo Wars two standard edition all going to be available out of the gate we also some Gears of War you know Xbox one games or they some of them it's a mix like um Metro Exodus in here so some of them are current Xbox games some of them some of them are older okay Xbox games from older generations of Xbox but yeah the Halo games being in there is pretty exciting link is links to all the stories I'm talking about today as are down in the description if you guys want to go in and take a look at this and check it out for yourself but you know 10 bucks a month doesn't seem that bad no for a set of games especially 5 bucks a month right now but I mean you know even for 10 bucks a month about to see if they keep putting good games in there if they start just filling it with filler crappy games or something my question when I saw this was what happens if there's a game that you're playing and they swap it out in the middle of your your gameplay yes oh my god can you can you request like I want to keep playing this game I'm like I'm almost there like don't switch it on me doesn't mean at the end of the day you're paying for a subscription you're not technically paying for the games themselves so you don't technically own any of these games you're owning access to a rotating list of games that can potentially change without you knowing it'll be interesting to see how they handle that and if that's going to be an issue for members and stuff but these are really good um secret ingredient I'm not sure but I'll take a wild guess Hey maple syrup no shit avocado avocado for the creaminess Wow um I would have never guessed that cuz I don't really not really taste any avocado hey I don't taste it very much I like avocado but hmm what does it do just makes it well extra the texture thing so my wife's friend brought us cookies mm-hmm that were avocado chocolate chip cookies okay and they're really good so we decided to make them ourselves yeah basically the avocado were places like half of the butter that you would normally use really yeah no way so so there it is so you still use partial butter and partial yeah there's still some butter um but then you use like a half a cup of avocado in there what if you just went no there's no THC in there no that's my first guess music secret ingredient like herb those are the brownies bodacious oh yeah that's good okay so yeah ooh now you taste avocado that old there's like a weird aftertaste that's definitely avocado whoa that's weird there you go I'm a changed man I will never be the same avocado chocolate chip is Wow good stuff well thank you alright moving on to a TA okay so we're gonna ask you guys some questions we will briefly discuss some of the answers well we'll see what you guys have to say these are straw polls so they'll be linked in chat and please go ahead and vote on them so that we can get your responses three questions to ask you guys just to start again so I try to try to test the waters see what you guys are thinking like we've we've expressed a decent amount of our opinions when it comes to a lot of this stuff from the past week or two but we want to know what you guys think so that's why we have this segment ask the audience so talking about the CPU side of things and the current battle between AMD and Intel basically the battle is AMD has risin Zen to stuff they're launching in about a month Intel is promising some ten nanometer stuff at the end of the year or even twenty twenty so we're still sort of waiting on Intel's response if and what it's going to be to the AMD launches but are you guys excited for AMD I tried did make these like the AMD side team team AMD at the top and team Intel at the bottom and then sort of some in-between answers as well but you got AMD dominating you got Intel still dominating at the bottom you got here which is basically that Intel is going to give up some ground but we're gonna say I tried to make this seem like more even or you know AMD's maybe gonna get a little bit back but it's all still gonna be on top oh no they went the Windows updates it threatened me with earlier God so feel free to vote on this one let me know what you think thank yourself for linking this drop lunch at we're going to talk about the other straw polls first before we go over the responses III week we mainly talked about a lot of this stuff on Cal's half of the show but um it's been a ton of e3 announcements whether it's just people freaking out about Keanu Reeves or what else I feel like it's supposed to be on everything that begins and ends with Keanu which is as it should be he's a good person it's but I'm just trying to get some feedback on the e3 stuff okay awesome just okay it sucks or you're completely unaware and finally what day is it what mr. good adoption what - that's a straw poll and finally I want to know your purchasing decisions or intentions when it comes to these AMD launches because we've both of them rising 3000 series and the Radeon rx 5700 series or the release of to 5700 cards XT and non XT are all launching on the same day July seventh 7/7 which I can't blame them for going for 7 nanometre 7 7 sounds good marketing ploy mmm I can stand behind it so for these agai by both you're gonna buy just the CPU just the GPUs so for this edition of ask the audience are we trying to argue our own what we own personally think that was that was not a sentence are we trying to argue what we personally feel or are we trying to guess what the audience is going to pick we are trying to guess what the audience okay we can give our own opinions - sure factor into the yes argument okay all right but yeah I'm ready back to kick your ass phase 1 what do you think ah battle oh he meant L team AMD somewhere in the middle I'm gonna say that I'm gonna say the first one and easin become the market leader leave Intel in the dust 7n Demeter team AMD for the win I think the second option is probably true but not within the time frame most people think it is I think Intel is such a big corporate ship that takes so long to turn for any my new change of anything of the way that they've been doing things for a decade plus is going to take years for them to change even a little aspect of that because right now there's probably a small ragtag team rogue team at Intel who knows all these things and knows that what they need to change in order to stay competitive but it's fucking Intel they're a massive whale it's gonna take that little ragtag team years until they finally get the support they need to actually put these things into place and I think eventually maybe two years down the line they might start to steer that ship in the right direction but for now this is AMD's time to shine okay sure I feel like you you argued most of what I was gonna say o cuz I'm gonna go with the second option here but I think you make a good point which is that into if Intel does respond it's probably not going to be right off the bat they're probably not gonna announce price breaks I mean who knows maybe maybe they might but I seriously doubt it I don't think Intel's gonna be announcing price breaks on July 7th or or even right around that timeframe I think what I will come down to for Intel is sales numbers they're gonna have to look at what's selling right and how much of an impact AMD's new products are having on the sales of their existing products and if it's significant enough if it's if they're hurting bad enough then they'll be like right we need to do something I don't know how much like discussion like the type we're having right now or people having in chat applies to that or whatever but I would I would bet the option to hear they're gonna lose some grounds to AMD I don't know if AMD is gonna like the big question for me it's like is AMD gonna claw their way back up to like 40 50 percent are they gonna go over 50 percent market share yeah I mean and that depends on what you're talking about whether you're talking about home use or enterprise and server side of it whatever a lot of the stats you see will you know you have to look carefully at what they're including there but I would be curious for at least the home market if if AMD is able to get back closer to 50 percent or even over after some time goes by but I think it will largely depend on what Intel has to say but let's see what the results are we've given long enough hey that's it yeah I win well I mean I I I sided with that point you did to a degree I feel like you made the argument for that point you know you're choosing the yeah covered my bases there but I mean top two answers here yeah getting 75 85 percent of the vote right that's a lot I mean it seems like at least from our audience a lot of people are have some high expectations for these AMD products yeah and hopefully I have I mean I hope they deliver because I think that'll be good for the consumers yeah definitely only 1% only 8 votes for that for the team Intel I mean honestly if you're taking that stance right now it means you're it means you're very much yeah at this point right but let's let's move on III week how's it been going for people oh yeah alright you know Frank I think people think it's awesome I'm gonna go further it's awesome option here and that people are very excited and this is probably largely based on my like Twitter feed and stuff because I've been seeing lots of people talk about it flip side to that is that I follow a lot of people who are like in the industry and stuff so there's a lot of people who are there at the event so what else are they gonna be tweeting and - was about but like man that Keanu Reeves think I could I so I just explode much hype all over like if you looked at reddit it was like every other thread it was kind of crazy there he's a good mean but yeah I feel like there have been some pretty some pretty big announcements already so far so so yeah I think people are probably pretty excited about the announcements that have been made and stuff I'll tell you why you're wrong Paul I think you know people are just a little bit on the meth side of things when it comes to e3 this year I think that III has exhausted all of their other good cards all of their secret weapons are already out laid out on the table and it's all downhill from here nothing else is gonna be very interesting I think people were looking forward to Xbox project scarlet being released later this year and now they're finding out it's being pushed to year back I think the titles that were showing off this year look very compelling but most of the content and material has been in the form of cinematic trailers where we're not really seeing any real gameplay any raw gameplay which is really at the core of of whether or not these titles are gonna succeed or not so yeah it's a very valid completely it's very interesting it's very very easy to WoW a crowd with the trailer with it with the cinematic trailer you know but the actual mechanics of the game will will inevitably be what defines how well this e3 did okay so you're going for I'm gonna do a second second option there just okay yeah alright let's see what you guys have to say alright Cal win Wow okay I was I was gonna pick your your option first that's in the middle some middle middle of the road but hey I mean that's still a third of people who were very very stoked excited yeah the what's III getting more of a vote than the e3 sucks kind of splitting your votes there those people don't know it years yeah that's good to know all right last question for asking the audience 3950 X and or Radeon rx 5700 XT let's make this quick yep just pick and go yes both calluses yes both I'm gonna choose upgrading but to one of the lower models mm-hmm okay results hey I win good call Wow no thanks 404 over over a quarter of the you picked the number one boat I picked the last boat you did make it quick as I kept that one alright hey fair enough but lots of people planning to upgrade yeah one of the lower models that's that's a pretty blanket statement anyway so whether you're talking about upgrading the GPU or the CV yeah sure but cool all right absent thanks for your feedback on those guys and yeah it's always interesting to ya get the feedback from the ask the audience segment before we go we're gonna answer some questions at a mass and chat and give some shout outs we usually do this during an after party but we're trying to keep things slightly short today so the cow can drive home before he falls asleep 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question like think prices will drop that much uh yeah I don't think prices will drop that much either again just because of how AMD is positioning the X 570 I think they're gonna start out kind of in the more premium area so I mean you might see some of the higher-end x4 70s go on sale if they're trying to clear out inventory of those because they feel like the x5 70s are a better option but honestly if you're just building a gaming rig be 450 like you don't need you don't need x4 70 there's there's hundred two hundred and twenty dollar B 450 boards there's Asus be 450 dash F gaming there's the MSI be 450 tomahawk that are really solid boards that do everything that you need them to do they don't have some of the higher-end features when it comes to like surface mounted stuff and whatever but like they work just fine and yeah by and large you don't need the the higher end stuff so that's where I would point you does he get X once again $10 again thanks bazinga Kyle the bots are the ghosts of wile getting his revenge oh yeah I considered that I thought maybe he was uh you know attacking me from the grave and Lyle's like really into porn oh yeah he's he's a porn addict constantly he taught me how to build a raid 1 array because he has one for his porn he just has like 30 30 drives actually it's it's raid 10 he raid tens all of his porn drives it's just I've inherited them they need to make a raid 69 that'd be great 69 69 never be cific raid configurations they're storing more word stories porn and how would that work like the rate the rate array is also prone like it's also dn't well like the hard drives in the array would have like neon like like got a neon light lighting and stuff around them would be clear strip club or CD raptors with the clear so you can you can see everything you can just see everything but yeah they all connect with the universal stripper pole this plugs into each of them yeah they're all sure Ricky we keep expanding oh they're all bodily 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much more accustomed to the sort of messed up sleep schedule getting waked up from time woken up from time to time my wife is an absolute Saint because she knew that the sleep thing was messing me up and sort of affecting my ability to come out and like make videos it's like if I if my brains not working and I want to sit down and talk on a camera like there's no it's very difficult so she has been like not waking me up more like if the baby just needs a quick diaper change or something like that so that's been really helpful for to me nice for me too so I'll be sure to pass that information down to heaven yeah tell her tell her tell her look I don't want to wake up at night all right you take care of it and I will she wants to shoot the videos that's fine with me too yeah change all the diapers oh yeah she's doing great and yeah I mean they're there been some times where I felt like super drained and tired and just say oh my gosh how am I gonna get through this but by-and-large I'm feeling much much better when it comes to that and yeah yeah she's incredibly cute yeah I can keep talking about their baby so it's been all right thank you did you find okay 499 ah I missed you go we miss you too oh it's quite a reaction good to be back tickle take a little break and then come back to it Thank You mr. cool thank you $5.00 so with X 570 PCI Jen 4 with rice and 3 will Donati cards perform better than over PCI 3 is it enough to matter that is interesting a very good question a question I have as well we're not going to know for sure until the cards come out and people do come comparisons I guarantee there's going to be people who over on benchmarks comparing Gen 3 to Gen 4 with Navi cards pretty quick my guess would be something similar to comparing PCI Express Gen 2 to Gen back when the cards were kind of on the cusp of of that changeover which is that the faster or like Gen 4 is gonna give you like a half a percentage to it maybe one and a half percent yes nothing to improvement so yeah little bit faster maybe a few extra frames storage is what you're looking at but yeah storage I think I actually I was gonna bring this up earlier but when you when you look at the rise in 3000 series stuff coming out that's mainstream and the existing thread Ripper stuff and people like what good is thread refer now thread Ripper is really all about I oh yeah you have tons more i/o and PCI Express Lanes but now you're gonna have rise in 3000 series that has Gen 4 right fewer PCI Express Lanes but faster yeah so for those really fast nvme SSDs are gonna be coming out you know that's the only platform that's gonna work until threader 4 3 comes if if and when that we have no idea when that's gonna happen if if it's in the works or if it's coming soon or anything could easily argue that X 570 is going to be a better workstation platform than X 399 depending on your use case depending on your use depending on your use case never yeah and and I and I can see some people building like some video editing rigs because you have a decent amount of iodine yeah for a graphics card you can use eight more lanes for like an add-on PCI Express card with some nvme SSDs and there you've got four lanes dedicated to an nvme SSD which is one of my favorite things they did with the PCI Express layout on existing Rison as well as next-gen Rison yeah so you can still get a pretty decent storage array configuration on there it's just you're not gonna be able to do something like what I have set up in Riptide right now which is like I have three different raids you have three different rains raid 0 array is on that system plus about plus 4 other drives connected yeah so your master yeah they're like the you can't get that type of thing on their show multiple drives and so I hope that answers your question yeah I think so did your hog gaming PC 999 hi Paul I have a Norris ROG x47 TF gaming motherboard in our 727 our backs does Asus call XMP something else in the BIOS I don't see it and if 32 gigs 8 by 4 32 hundred megahertz Chiefs kilt right into your GB RAM it's only stable at 20 800 megahertz help oh all right well g.skill tried NCR gb there's a couple different variants of the 3200 speed one is the ones that definitely use the B die memory that have universally worked for me I think that's the only kit that they've sent me though that said Asus calls it do CP it's like direct overclocking profile or something I don't like it I hate that they've changed the name for that one of the other things for rising 3000 series that AMD said they did was they worked with the motherboard manufacturers to unify the nomenclature for all of those things in the BIOS when it comes to overclocking yeah which I'm really hoping takes because it can get really confusing if you're going from one manufacturer to another or if you have something that works really well one and you want to kind of duplicate it on the other so yeah do CP is what that is and usually they have like do CP and then there's like a few OC modes that they have in it there so so try that out and it should work alternatively you can just go in and manually set the frequency to 3200 and then you can also go in and manually set the timings yourself to the what the kit has listed and you might have success that way but try those DLC P profiles hopefully that'll work for you weird Steven hill ok we have a lot of door donations to go so yeah do these a little bit more quickly and everyone stop donating to Steven hill $10 going for a full custom water loop in July for shit's Diggs I know it makes no sense hope you guys are doing all right hey you know what if you're gonna build a custom motor pool loop July is a perfect time of the year to do it if the things are gonna be heating up when you could really benefit maybe from an extra few degrees of cooling potential and it's it's a fun experience if you've never done it before and if you have then you just get to practice your your if 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have to lower the settings here and there but yeah but yeah 1080 1080 I think I think you're fun at those depends on your standards for visual quality yeah different filters and stuff $45 orders hi hi Paul McHale trying to decide on putting together a build either going with a threaded 429 50 X or getting a 39 50 X which one wow that's that's a tough call right now yeah well I use yeah I would say wait a month if you can if it's not urgent to see the reviews with the 3950 X because you're gonna see performance numbers not just against Intel but also comparing them to thread Ripper numbers and then at that point I think there's I would I would kattiline x is a 3950 X if you don't need all the i/o that thread Ripper gives you if you don't need the the quad channel memory and everything and storage yeah and if you if you want to take advantage of fast storage because you're probably gonna be able to get your overall system set up when it comes to the cost of the motherboard and CPU for a good amount cheaper at least a couple hundred bucks probably definitely then a 29 50 X and an X 399 motherboard because the X 399 motherboards tend to be very expensive yeah a good example of like 40 DB Chow DB Chow $20 finally graduated with an associate's degree in general biology from 95 Community College congratulations that's Stevie got accepted to a CSU nearby double Congrats been subscribed for the longest time here's to the next one million subscribers free both glorious thanks David thanks David a scratch dude Andrew Hendrix five Canadians best way to use an X 470 board with Verizon 3000 CPU if you don't have an AMD CPU what we do use the next five for seventy board with fries and three thousand if you don't I'm not sure if I understand the question you have to have an AMD CPU I don't understand your question either Andrew I'm sorry maybe if you don't have a rise in second gen CPU like what yeah but then it's like the the closest the closest thing i can i can assume based on how the question is phrased is easy he's asking if it's okay to use a three thousand so you to put a 3000 series cpu in x47 board the next 470 motherboard i see so he's maybe building a further system for his first time considering saving some money on the next 470 board but also getting horizon 3000 series cpu yeah can you still take advantage fully of that chip is he gonna lose anything honestly AMD's kept it pretty backwards and forwards compatible the only thing you'll be definitely missing out on at least for now is PCIe gen 4 yeah which shouldn't be a problem for most gamers if you're just gaming and stuff I think you're pretty good there it's actually something that I would suggest to some of my friends and stuff if they're trying to save some coin that you're not gonna be missing out a whole lot some people in chat are pointing out you would need a BIOS update for the x4 70 board which may or may not be a problem for you depending on the type of board it is there's quite a few motherboards now that you can update the BIOS um just with the USB stick without needing secu installed right some though you would need to get like if you got an older x4 70 board that didn't have a current BIOS that was ready for rise in 3000 series you'd need to get mm-hmm an existing first or second generation CPU to drop it in there to boot it actually update the BIOS and then swap that out for your 3000 series to catch-22 that is so that is that is a something that you might have to worry about if you were going for that set up yeah but yeah in that case I would recommend going for like an asus motherboard that has USB BIOS flashback or gigabyte and MSI have those features as well I forget what they called a / easy flat yeah something like that African name that's what you'd be concerned about yeah beyond that the light Cal said it's mainly just PCI Express Gen 4 vs. Gen 3 yeah you only gonna get gen 3 with X 470 which probably has had a big deal unless you really want to Gen 4 superfast this is D okay Chris Warren $5 gigabyte X 370 gaming 5 good enough for 8 cores n 2 overclocking a gigabyte X 370 gaming 5 Burnett core I don't exist so I'm not directly familiar with like the power delivery setup on that motherboard the 5 Series the gaming 5 series from gigabyte mother from gigabyte are usually kind of in the mid range so I would expect it to be ok yeah when you're talking about overclocking performance for any given motherboard chances are like the super high-end boards or maybe gonna be able to eke out an extra one or two hundred megahertz out of a chip yeah compared to lower end boards it's only the more extreme situations like a super low-end board at a super high on chip where you'll have difficulty pushing any overclock here's here the thing that I think that whatever performance you know hate that you would take from trying to overclock on X 370 wouldn't be enough to warrant buying an X 470 or X 570 motherboard so unless you actually needed to milk that slight bit of performance out of your seat view so if you've already got the X 370 gaming 5 right go ahead and upgrade your CPU and install it and you're good the human journey $5 my biggest question is what will be the sweet spot for AMD Ram good question I have an answer for you specifically for 3000 series there's an interesting divider that happens when you go over ddr4 3800 so the sweet spot verizon 3000 series memory what they're recommending is ddr4 3600 that's kind of like 733 right yeah right you're getting ahead of me like what we currently recommend for Rison 1st and 2nd gen is like third third 200 speed memory for third-gen it's gonna be 3,600 speed memory it's kind of that like that's what you that's where you're gonna get the most bang for your buck you should be able to get a kit for that speed without spending too much money for like you know the super high-end kits or anything like that yeah 2030 637 33 hour good speeds once you go to 3,800 it goes from a one to one ratio with the Infinity fabric to 1 to 2 ratio when it comes to the clock speed so we're gonna need to wait and see benchmark numbers on how that affects performance of stuff like games and everything does that mean the clock speed actually gets cut in half once you go beyond that it means that the Infinity fabric whereas with 3600 is ticking so like thirty six hundred megahertz that's 3,600 times per second huh actually that's thirty that's more than that because megahertz isn't oh yeah anyway that's that many times per second that it's that it's ticking we're infinity fabric is ticking at that speed yeah go up to 3,800 infinity fabric is ticking once for every to transfer every two cycles I see so instead of 3,800 infinity fabric is actually gonna be ticking at sixes half of 3816 oh no 18 is in 1800 no that's later in the show so that's gonna be a question that comes up like interest the faster memory speed might be better for some scenarios the slower infinity fabric tick speed might might be detrimental to some scenarios so that's that's gonna be a wait and see sand scenario yeah okay there's you probably can't find 30 37 33 memory oh sorry there people sense it's 37 66 not 37 it's a memory divider points that they'd have in the BIOS so you might not be able to find memory that's at that exact speed but if you find a faster memory you can probably set it to run at that divider right but yeah probably 3600 speed memory if you're looking at Rison 3000 series is what you should be looking at cool okay next up we have cell processing $5 thank yourself Excel hey my my Nintendo one III breath of the wild two and a Dark Crystal game and John Romero of Doom Fame is making an ex-con style game with 1930s gangsters awesome that actually sounds pretty cool I haven't seen any of that as far as the XCOM stuff or the Dark Crystal game I know why Vsauce would be excited about that cuz you don't think that's a little bit of a preview of that that game you're talking about I didn't catch the name of it though yeah that is cool yeah Nintendo seem to have a lot of good reception for this year's been so long since I had a Nintendo system I've only been able to like switch is great yeah I really like to switch because especially for someone like me who has little time to game apart from when I'm actually traveling it's a console that allows you to travel with it so it's like you can play triple-a titles on the go C and I've never been into portable game devices ever since Gameboy came out like I just never was really that into it mmm but you're right a different experience that might give me a better chance of actually plenty of gaming but yeah the Zelda games are probably what's been my most the thing that's been made me think like well maybe but for now Final Fantasy 7 $5 let me both watch four years do you think then think that soon is maxed out already for OC I think Intel's a bigger threat to NVIDIA GPUs what do you think ah the Intel threat when it comes to the GPU side is still very much in the ether they have been gathering a lot of good talent to their team true both on the technical side as well as on the marketing side some of the marketing side stuff I've seen them do I've not been that impressed with like they had a bunch of the those those mock-up designs for the graphics cards yeah and as because because the guy who originally did those just did that as a fan and then they started getting spread around and people like oh these are the designs for Intel's new graphics cards and then it turns out now it's just a fan-made design but then Intel got in touch with that guy on how to make some more and then that was like their announcement like hey look at these designs for the GPUs and I'm like that's the our cool designs that's good artwork but is actually gonna be negative of the real part of any of those designs practical in any way like the steampunk ones that show a little gears movie and stuff like like like they're never actually gonna make a graphics card that looks like that so for me a lot of that sort of amounted to fluff yeah I appreciated the designs sure don't get me wrong there at all and I think it is cool to have unique and innovative designs when it comes to that that side of things right but it wasn't good official marketing water and it's just it's so early to determine what Intel is actually going to come out with you could look at it like Intel has been the market leader for CPUs they should know what they're doing they should come out with a strong competitive product or you could look at it like Intel's been promising us ten nanometer for like three plus years now and they still haven't launched it and in AMD has come up behind them and then launched seven nanometer while they've been twiddling their thumbs are doing whatever they've been doing so I got it I don't know that's right that's a good question I'm just as curious as you are yeah as to what the performance of those Intel graphics cards are gonna be once they actually finally come to market yeah how's $5 well Rison 3000 multi-chip what processors like the 12 and 16 core have a game mode that shuts off half the course through software bios like credit for doesn't that's a good question too they did have an updated version of the rise and master utility the software that you can use I didn't look at it to see if that was a game mode thing they could turn on and off but I think you might actually not need it anymore if you're using the updated version of Windows 1903 or later the most recent version because that fixes the Windows 10 scheduler the last me between the CCX so yeah if you if you're using that version then it's going to focus on a single CCX and it's only going to start using another CCX once one CCX is utilized to its maximum right acity right and that should fix a huge amount of gaming issues because most games are going to need more than four cores yeah or threads so most games can just stick to one cc X's and not worry about the NRCC X latency yeah so probably a good question when it comes to like gaming mode versus creator mode and if you are doing something that uses more but yeah I don't think it's quite as bad as the Red River where you have two dyes that could potentially aren't directly connected to a memory controller so yeah again that's probably something we'll have to wait and see but I think I think for at least the mainstream Rhys and stuff that Windows 10 update is going to be a better solution than switching game mode on or off hopefully that's case and finally we have nubes for $10 hey guys I'm thinking of upgrading from the 1700 to the 3700 I have a gtx 1018 currently is it worth upgrading to an art TX 2070 or 2080 or see what Nabi offers I think the 1070 is still a great card even if you're at 1440p he has a 1080 currently alright sorry what did I say you said 1070 I'm sorry if yeah I think the 1070 is great for 1440p still obviously the RT X cards in question are quite a bit faster it kind of just depends on what kind of what level of performance you're looking for I think the 1080 is still well matched for a 3700 or it's going to be for an 8 a make or rise in 3000 CPU so it just sort of depends on what your standards are for the kind of frame rates you want to see if you have a need or a desire for ray tracing real-time ray tracing capabilities that is unless you're going na B which I don't know I think the 1080 is still a very relevant card and I don't I don't see much use in upgrading to this generation right now if it were if it were me personally I'd probably wait another generation to upgrade my 1080i the attendees yeah really good card I agree all right quick shout outs to people who donated money but we're not going to answer your question because donations were cut off sorry about that but Tobias Wendler thank you very much yeah get it RTX 2060 Jared Melton thank you very much I am going to take a sip and I will give 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