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Why Can’t You Upgrade VRAM on a Graphics Card? - Probing Paul #23

2018-04-05
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questions some of them are responses from me and about other things but first off Marcus Palma says great videos always do you do all your editing yourself Thank You Marcus and the answer is no I do not actually have an editor who I work with his name is Joe and if you're ever curious whether Joe edited the video or I edited the video you can go into any video that's been uploaded by me and go to the description and hit show more scroll past all my links and stuff and down here you can see I should almost always say it's edited by Joe it's got a link to his Facebook page and then down here under editor you can actually go straight to his YouTube channel if you want to check that out everyone go subscribe to Joe he does he does metal metal videos and stuff like that but yeah Jos channel he does just just random little things that he pops up from time to time he's done some editing tutorials and that kind of thing which is cool as well but Jo is a great editor I've been working with him for several years now and he's much faster at it than I am which is which is very good because I'm very slow when I edit usually I will record stuff here and then I'll take the footage and I'll transcode it with my editing PC here and then I send it to him via BitTorrent sync or Brazilia sync I guess it's called now and then he edits and then he sends me back a project file I take the project file I loaded up and premiere attach all of my uncompressed video footage and then I'll do a final kind of run-through maybe change a few things here and there and then render it all out alternatively he has actually been coming over to help me make videos once a week or so and when he does that he's able to just take the raw footage himself which is which is nice but Jo if you happen to watch this thank you for all of your excellent work you've done for me and anyone who's watching go go follow Jo on Twitter too he's also got a Twitter and tell him I sent you a quick aside though you might notice some background noise in this video there's a train going by right now and there's also a neighbor who's doing some sort of strange construction work so my apologies for that but let's move on to the next question this one's from solid state tech and he asked why isn't vram upgradeable on GPUs like regular DRAM is he says he thinks he's seen some before but not for a long time that's a good question and probably something that lots of people would want to do say buy gtx 1062 gig and then pop an extra two gigs of VRAM onto there and upgrade yourself in the future but video cards typically when they're sold or all self-contained the DRAM or the G DDR Ram modules are soldered to the PCB which makes it extremely difficult for an end user to remove them and replace them or anything like that also it's worth pointing out that most GPUs have a fair level of technical knowledge and engineering that go into them and they do try to pair the GPU as far as the what it's capable of with a reasonable amount of vram and they do that sometimes to give the GPU the best performance they can and then they also do that sometimes to segments so for instance that's why you have a gtx 1062 gig and a gtx 1064 gig and one is more expensive than the other but there's actually a little bit more to this question and i want to hear point out that a lot of times people go into videos and put responses themselves so I want to give a shout out to Brenda Schwar who posted a reply to that original comments and put a link to a Korra giving us some back and forth on that but also he linked to very specifically the Dell matrix or a Dell matrix eight Meg pci graphics card that I wanted to show you guys this is actually for sale over on Stuart connections comm for $12 it's a Dell matrix eight megabyte PCI video card and there's other video cards I believe that have had this capability as well but what you got down here is an S Odom slot so you can with this graphics card pop pop in an Esso dim Ram upgrade and then upgrade your video memory now you can't do that with modern graphics cards for a couple other reasons as well gddr5 gddr5 X memory runs hotter at least the modules themselves can run hotter than typical via Ram so usually there'll be some sort of integrated cooling solution that helps keep the vram modules cool and then there's also the possibility of degradation of performance typically if you're looking at a VRAM pool for a graphics card it's all going to be run the same type of memory running at the same speed in order for that graphics card to operate efficiently and mixing and matching different types of memory is going to hurt or impact your performance the best modern-day comparison here that you can make is if you're looking at something like an APU like AMD's new Raven Ridge ap use they use integrated system memory for their V RAM memory buffer that allows you to go in and flexibly change for example you want 256 Meg's set-aside or 512 or a gig or two gigs for the GPU specifically the upshot is that the memory it's using is system memory which is not tuned for video tasks the same way that gddr5 memory is not to get too specific about it so if Nvidia did decide to make an upgradable GTX 1080 or something like that the amount of variation of different types of memory that could go in there the complexity of creating a socketed form factor to where you can slot something in or remove it would just be too challenging and not make sense when it comes to production costs again this is the type of thing that you've seen companies attempt in the past and if they've attempted it in the past and then now they've decided no that's not a good way of doing it it usually means either the product didn't do well and it just wasn't making enough money to be profitable so hopefully that answers your question question from Villa co3 says welcome back Paul a long way to return if you guys recall last month I was after I had sort of been on hiatus for a while he says I would love to see some 3d printing videos from you and I did kind of briefly mention this in the last probing Paul but 3d printing yeah I find it interesting and it's something that I've wanted to dive into and I'd like to just set up a 3d printer somewhere here in the garage in the background I really that's as far as I've gone with it I've thought about it I've been giving it some consideration and I thought oh like I know Jerry Barney Cleese nerdgasm and he could probably help me out with that and you'd be pointed in the right direction at this point I don't have anything further to add to that I haven't really made any progress in that area but it is something I'm still interested in so if you guys have any suggestions for me feel free to leave those in the comments section and hopefully I'll pick up on those because yeah I want to get that set up pretty soon next question from Mac gear says I'm looking forward to building a system using one of the new risin 2400 G ap use but I never eyes and can be picky about what Ram it works with what should I pay more attention to any info I can find on the processors compatibility or that for the motherboard this is actually it's not like a one or the other type thing it's an A then B thing so if you already know that you wants a Rison apu with 2200 G or 2400 G those use and those slot into the m4 socket so you want a m4 socket motherboard from AMD and then second you want to make sure that the motherboard you buy is updated so it says it's Rison Raven Ridge ready or rise in 2420 200g Reddy difference advertisements have had different stickers that go on there new egg and some of the listings I've shown has had a little bit of extra text that says it's compatible just so you know that the motherboard you're buying has been updated to be compatible with these new ap use what's that sorted then you want to look at the memory and for that I would say now that you've chosen your motherboard based on the socket and compatibility and probably maybe looks and features and price of course also goes into that decision well once you've chosen your motherboard then you want to go and look at your motherboard manufacturers website like gigabyte or a Susur asrock or that kind of thing go to the qvl list qualified vendor list I believe is what that stands for there'll be a memory compatibility chart and there you can see specifically the memory modules that that motherboard manufacture has tested with that motherboard with a rise in CPU to make sure that the memory is compatible and that will give you the best bet and making sure that that memory can get will slot in you can plug in the XMP settings and be off to the races and yes having decently fast memory now you go for 29 33 or 3,000 speed or faster with resin to give yourself the best performance hopefully that helps you the next question is not a question it is a response and this was again from last month when I was talking about monitor calibration and I was talking about monitor calibration from the points of view of someone who produces contents to post on the Internet's Jim Cole here posted a lengthy response just indicating you know that's not just about me and what people like me happen to do but he's actually very informative and pointed out a few other things for example calibrating a monitor to produce print work is very important so consider that as well as opposed to just viewing stuff on the screen he actually pointed out for example when he is doing print work he might have different ambient lighting in the room different ambient lights changed the perceived color effect on the screen so when he's doing photo work he does a darkroom when he's working with Illustrator InDesign he does a brighter room so that the paper the look on the paper after it's printed will look more natural he also points out that monitors change over time and it's not necessarily a set and forget type thing so it's very important if you're doing professional work to go back every three months he says every one to three months it seems like a reasonable timeframe to me to recheck your monitor make sure none of the colors have shifted and make sure that whatever you're producing in a professional environments is going to print well and be represented well wherever you happen to be sending your digital artwork there were one or two other comments about this last month one of them specifically said why don't you just rather than buying a monitor calibration tool get your monitor and look up other calibrations that because people can take a calibration profile of some monitors and upload it and you can find someone else who has your exact same monitor and just take their profile there is a caveat to that as well though because each panel is different if mother if monitor manufacturers could calibrate each panel I perfectly at the factory then no one would ever need a monitor calibration tool in order to make sure that it's reproducing colors properly just like with the CPU there's slight variations that might affect your overclocking performance with a monitor there's slight variations in the manufacturing process that might affect the actual color reproduction of the monitor itself so Jim thank you for posting that and being informative and letting me and a few other people know a little bit more about that topic just I wanted two more questions here to go this one's from second to last get I he says hey Paul have asked us to you and a few other PC experts no one has given an answer he's got a unique memory configuration he has a two-by-four gig 2400 speed kits and a 1 by 8 gig 21:33 speed kits overclocked to 2400 he's also using a gtx 980ti and an Intel skylake 6600 K he's wondering about an upgrade to a 2 by 8 gig 3200 kits how beneficial would it be and what it affects his performance with 4k and with VR now there's a slow rolling train outside but I'm gonna still proceed beyond the dual channel for a single channel question you also have a speed question you have 2400 speed memory and then you have an 8 gig stick that you've overclocked a little bit to also match 2400 typically your memory is gonna run at the lowest common denominator of speed so the fact that we're able to overclock your eight gigs gig stick that's good that meant that you're able to run all of your memory at 2400 speed and your your changes if you go for an upgrade are gonna be you're gonna enable dual channel by going with 2 by 8 gig kit you're still gonna have 16 gigs overall so that won't change your over our capacity and you should be able to run it at 3200 speed with that kit and with this processor so that shouldn't be a problem either now the things that you're gonna be logically considering are the fact that single a dual channel doesn't always give a big performance boost the biggest performance boost I've seen is when you're pairing it with an AMD APU one of the Raven Ridge ap is recently in which case you definitely want dual channel mode but since you're using an Intel platform a skylight platform it's probably not going to be that big of a difference to you also the increase in memory speed from 2400 to 3200 again will improve performance but to what degree and how much is going to change based on what you're doing with it now we're talking about 4k and VR here so obviously you're trying to push pretty high resolution and task your GPU with some pretty important things so I say you want all the speed you can get if you're looking into this right now memory is very expensive so I definitely consider selling your two by four gig kit and your one by eight gig kick and replacing that complete with you with your new two by eight gig kits and if you can sell at high prices and buy back at high prices and hopefully you won't be losing too much money overall so yes you might see just a marginal gain going from what your current setup is to the two by eight gig set up but I would go for it anyway it's gonna be cleaner setups you'll be better suited for those high-end tasks that you want your computer to be able to do and I yeah it's it's really hard to say when it comes to pricing whether you should buy an hour weights but memory pricing sucks I guess alright I have two more questions actually this one's from we toda Ora this actually wasn't posted on the Q&A video last month it was posted on the video I posted yesterday because I was my house was dusty hold on let me show you guys this is does your PC even need a case I'll post a link to this in the video description if you want to but I tried to point out to people that I very intentionally did not dust prior to doing this video and we do dust out in the living room at least once a week if not once every couple weeks I don't dust the computer itself like the motherboard and everything but around it unlike the console and the shelves and everything like that I do dust so I just want to point it out that I spent a bunch of time cleaning yesterday because I felt self-conscious because everyone was giving me a hard time about the dust and now it is much cleaner and I just wanted to prove that to you guys that I don't live in a in a hovel with contaminants everywhere but it's a constant battle especially with the dogs alright one last question here this one's from Sam Sam you he'll 70 82 he says have you ever given anyone the Heimlich maneuver no pun intended and this is of course a reference to my last name which is Heimlich the German spelling and I get this question asked a lot when whenever I tell people my last name I've never actually given it I've never had to do the Heimlich maneuver on someone I am familiar with how you do it and stuff like that we used to have like a chart and stuff when I was growing up in our and are in our pantry but I do want if for any of you who looking for further reading here here you go Henry Heimlich is the inventor of the Heimlich maneuver there's a picture he actually died just a couple years ago in 2016 and and you can read about him oh if you guys really want to fun facts I am told that's my family history my family tree goes all the way back to Germany and that I am a I am an actual Heimlich going way way back to whenever my ancient German family decided that should be the name whereas Henry Heimlich the inventor of the Heimlich maneuver actually assumed the name but I'm not even hundred percent sure about that that could just be could all be made up but that's all the time I have for today guys I hope you've enjoyed watching probing Paul I'll be back again next month which probably isn't gonna be very long since it's already April now with another one so of course leave questions in the comment section down below if you have any for me and follow me on Twitter if you want to ask me stuff in the meantime I've got more videos coming up this week so hit the thumbs up button on your way out and as always thank you very much for watching
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