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Why are GPU Coolers on the "Bottom" Instead of the Top? - Probing Paul #26

2018-07-28
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get too hung up on the schedule first question is from the sycophant who says hey p-- or the sycophant i don't know anyway hey Paul a simple question which internet connection are you sitting on I don't usually sit on my internet connection that can be uncomfortable but I assume you mean who provides my internet connection and maybe how fast it is so frontier FiOS I have fiber-to-the-home here in Southern California which is nice and I'm currently paying for a hundred up and a hundred down or at least that's what they tell me I'm supposed to get so let's double check it here Real Time with the Google internet speed test checker oh look at that upload speed upload speeds looking nice can you get a quick second opinion here by using ullas speedtest.net to do another speed test and there you go there's my current internet speeds hundred little over 100 down getting up tardes hundred and twenty up which is nice for uploading the YouTube videos getting similar results from speedtest.net so there you go and yes with fiber-to-the-home I could be getting much faster speeds than this but you know they make you pay more for more bandwidth so for now this is just fine for me next question from Ricki VA policy lots of monitors in the background of your shooting space I would like you to explain their uses as well as how many computers that you keep in your shooting space so have lots of computers here at home and I don't consider my setup here to be practical and more computers than I actually need so I don't use them all all the time but right behind me right now is riptide and that's still in the process of getting set up for my actual studio space here in the garage I have three monitors and two computers the computer there in the back is arctic Panther which I built over the course of several years has many different ideations there's a long video series on that one monitor here is the Acer predator X 34 I used that as my primary gaming monitor and arctic panther is my primary gaming computer however because it's been really hot right now and the garage has been very hot I haven't been gaming on that very much also my wife and I have been playing a good amount of overwatch lately an overwatch doesn't benefit very much from an ultra-wide Monitor 21 by night it actually crops what you see so you get a better gameplay experience on 16 by 9 that said the secondary purpose is that system is just to be a pretty background system which it does more often than a game on it recently but I do a game on that system secondary system is this one right here which is affectionately known as the godly streaming PC which I built last year it's got a 69 50 X and it handles capture like I'm capturing this video that I'm shooting right now on that system I can also do much transcoding I used to handle our weekly live show that I do as Kyle awesome hardware on Tuesday evenings and this has two monitors both of them are 2560 by 1440 and that's just to give me plenty of working space to work with so that when I'm setting up stuff like this I have screen space next question from hawk one two nine one Paul since you worked at Newegg maybe you can answer this why do graphics card retailers typically show pictures of cards from every view except for the ones most people will actually see it from this is a very good question and yes I did used to work at Newegg although I haven't worked there for quite a few years now so what I'm saying now is based on historical knowledge and might not necessarily be true for what they do now but Newegg at least when I worked there had a pretty awesome photo team and any product that came in they would take photos of so for example this is a Asus rx 580 and I'm pretty sure the photo team did the photos on this one just based on looking at them and here they're actually thankfully at least giving you a shot of the back of the card and that's often very key you often don't see this and then here's maybe a shout out the side of the card but you're right not the orientation that you would actually see it in at least you can see some of the details like does it have an 8 pin 6-pin PCI Express graphics power connector now also when I worked there knew it would sometimes get pictures directly from the manufacturer and I think I'm not sure but I think that is the case with this EVGA card and here again they're kind of showing you the side of it a little bit but again it's not at that right angle and none of these pictures show the back of it like one of the things I would want to see first and foremost here does it have a backplate and you just can't tell by looking at these pictures you'd have to go and look at reviews or something like that so I guess I don't really have an answer for this question just a bit of sympathy that I agree with you and I will say that when I used to do videos on products at Newegg I would be very careful to take like a graphics card and be like here is the angle that most of you will be seeing the set so there's there's a look at that right and hopefully that was helpful for people next question from NPC is kind of related why are GPUs not made with the fans up and the PCB down that's very good question been asked many times before and just sort of kind of makes sense if you look at a graphics card and you assume hot air rises that's usually how physics work you've got this solid plate on top preventing any air from going upwards and then you have all of the cooling elements on the bottom with the fans it would seem like it would kind of make more sense to have that facing up at least so the heat could escape and go upwards here again I don't have a full answer for you but hopefully I can provide a bit of historical context to maybe I can explain some reasons why so this is the expansion card entry on Wikipedia where it talks about expansion cards in computers throughout history and PCI Express is the one that we all know and love right now because that's what most of us are using there's also PCI the predecessor to PCI Express there's also a GP which is an expansion slot standard specifically made for graphics cards in about 1996 but petered out in the mid to late 2000s because PCI Express took over and there's then there's even is a is a predates PCI and ISA has these big long and slots in E if they have really old motherboards and then maybe you'll notice those an interesting thing about ISA is from what I can been reading in my research is a card's actually had components on the top of them if you look at the orientation here where the slow these are up on top it seems to be that when they went from ISA to PCI they switched that and they started putting the components on the bottom of the card rather than the top sorry my video froze for a second there but back to the point when they switched from the ISA to PCI it seems like somebody somewhere along the line made the decision that the components should go on the bottom instead of the top and that might have made sense at the time because the CPU is probably going to generate the most heat in a computer at that time graphics cards discrete graphics cards in particular what really a thing at that point so it wasn't until five to ten years later that you suddenly had massive graphics cards that required more cooling expanding beyond a single slot to two slots and then you have the solution we have now which is an established standard so that case manufacturers motherboard manufacturers and adding card manufacturers can all produce products that will have interoperability and work together combined with this steady increase in GPU power draw and heat generation that has led to the solution that we have today which is to and sometimes sleet three slot cards that hang down below the PCB in an orientation that doesn't seem to make the most practical sense to us as PC builders that said there are a lot of cases that flip the script by flipping the entire motherboard tray upside down so you can do that if you want to flip your graphics card upside down of course then you have the CPU on the bottom which introduces kind of a different issue but then at least as the previous commenter mentioned you can get a good look at the actual functional part of your graphics card which is often what you see in the heads next question is from Ben W he says I'm considering getting 144 Hertz 1080p monitors for my 1050 Ti so question being can attend 50 T I pushed 1080 1920 by 1080 244 Hertz second does g-sync demand more from the GPU so switching from a non g-sync standard 60 Hertz monitor to AG sync monitor does that actually affect the frame rate that your graphics card is able to put out short answer is no your graphics card can do a certain frame rate if you have a 60 Hertz monitor you either have vsync on which means it's going to cap your frame rate to 60 or you have vsync off which means it's going to show you whatever frames are there and you might have to deal with some tearing if you take that same configuration and plug it into a g-sync monitor the monitor will simply display every single frame there GPU spits out and it will not have any stuttering or tearing and it is overall a better experience so to answer that initial part of the question no G sync on vs. G sync off will not affect the framerate that your graphics card is able to put out at all second question 1050 TI with a 1080 144 Hertz monitor is very much going to depend on the game you're playing if you're playing a game that's two three four years old and you have the settings turned down a little bit you can probably hit at 1920 by 1080 a very high frame rate with a 1050 Ti again depending on the game that you're playing and again with a g-sync monitor that monitor is just going to display up to a hundred and forty-four frames per second the exact amount of frames that your graphics card is able to put out so even if you can't hit 144 frames per second or above with the game you're playing and a 1050 Ti you still will get a benefit even if your graphics card is putting out 100 frames per second or 90 frames per second because it'll be smoother you'll be seeing more frames and you won't have any tearing that you deal with with a typical graphics card and monitor setup that said a jisuk monitor is going to be very expensive so you're gonna be spending a lot on the G sync monitor compared to your 1050 Ti so I would consider it more of an upgrade path to the future get the monitor now game on it for a while with your 1050 Ti and then probably plan to upgrade that temp of DTI at some point in the future - next question for mark Andre P hey Paul a game in my living room I've been looking at HTPC cases are cases that lay horizontally that's pretty old-school remember when computers used to lay on their side and you put your monitor on top of them there seems to be very few cases fewer new designs and even fewer supporting full ATX motherboards is this from lack of demand they all seem overpriced for such basic cases any recommendations and yes you are triggering me if you keep your PC on the floor especially like a horizontal htpc style it's just there's so much dust getting in there so build a stand for whatever case you get but more to the point though Silverstone is generally my go-to for htpc style horizontal HTPC cases this is just a google image search of them and you can see that they have lots of different varieties although again they seems to be fewer of these now than they used to be in the past that's not to say that there are none and if you go over to Newegg and just look for Silverstone cases you can see their vertical style cases but you can also see some of their more horizontal ish cases if we scroll down this one's very small so maybe less practical here's the vital series SST VT 0 - that one also looks very small if I actually search for htpc here we we had only one actual answer although I believe this is a relatively new one the SST GD 0 for s it does have USB 3 in the front this is not full ATX though it's micro ATX but I think you're right there are fewer of these cases now than they used to be cooling I think was not quite as effective as these as in tower style cases and there's just fewer people doing DIY PC builds for a home theater use because a lot of people just have a DVR that they get from their cable provider and then they just go with that it's getting really hot in the garage though so let me finish this video off last month I talked about GPU sag and quite a few people including Vladek 16 pointed out that Jay did a video explaining another method to fix GPU sag Brian actually pointed out the video link and I've linked that in this video's description too so feel free to watch that but if you're interested in the short story when you have GPU sag like this it can often be helped by providing further support to the brackets at the back of the GPU and Jay did that by basically taking a screw screwing it in through the back of the case to keep those from moving and that greatly improved his GPU sag situation so there's another solution for you guys who might be looking for GPU sag that doesn't work with every single case though you have to have one that you can actually access that point to screw screw into but one final note if you guys like sending me stuff feel free to do so Paul sigh we're peel box for three to five Diamond Bar California if you guys want to send me stuff we typically do mail time and open packages during awesome hardware our live show on Tuesday evening so thanks to all you guys who have sent me stuff there thanks you guys for watching this video too and thumbs up button and subscribe for more content coming at you very soon including some actually actual testing on rakitin back there behind me thanks again for watching guys we'll see you next time
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