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big wins big disappointments big predictions the list articles are rolling in for the end of 2013 at pocketnow.com where they sit for your reading enjoyment meaning we don't have to talk about any of them thank goodness instead we'll be talking new exciting smartphones from overseas 2k displays and whether we should care apple's 12 days of christmas and the yola phone because it's totes mcgoats cray-cray adorbs all that plus your listener mail on the pocket now weekly the once a week audio podcast where we discuss smartphones tablets in the state of mobile technology in the last two weeks of 2013 hi everybody I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and joining me for the fun this week our chief news editor Steven Pennsylvania felicitations shank hello there why men in sylvania you can be you can be whatever you want you want to be New Jersey felicitations I guess be felicitations that's yeah all right good felicitations shank welcome aboard senior editor and social media manager Taylor retweet this Martin is also here hey man hello I had to swallow very quickly I had a holiday cookie in my mouth yeah holiday cookies and contributing editor Adam offer letter dowd welcome back broseph yo how do you spell the coats I need to google that no one now that is a matter of some contention it's either MCG Oh ates or its ma gio tes depending on what animated gifs you're looking at I have several more opinions on that we can get into it we should get into that because James Earl Jones knows how to say it I just don't know how to spell it exactly welcome to the mcgoats weekly all right totes mcgotes Adam you have a new job congratulations I do thank you very much its sights as I mentioned in one of my predictions I was staring down the unemployment barrel for the last two months and you know just I stand out resume after resume after resume and finally I hooked up with this software developer down the city I'm gonna be doing their support it's gonna be awesome and I'm very excited about it I got mid so many like letters so is seeking referrals ed especially I was just like listen I don't know what to tell you about him can I just pay you 50 bucks we desire them whatever you did man at work I appreciate it no man I am really authentically happy for you I know it's been it's been it's been tough it sucks to be to be out of a job so I'm really glad you have one and we're all very happy a happy to have happy Adam maybe you'll tweet more now maybe because now I've no no not to read job listings every freaking night exactly Taylor Martin has a new job within pocket now as well Taylor you want to talk a spot on that uh yeah social media manager I and do social stuff yeah cuz I don't already do it apparently plus 1 this so that means if you've been following pocket now and on google+ on twitter and so on instead of just being a basically a headline regurgitation machine with links maybe it'll have a touch of personality that you find simultaneously endearing and slightly annoying right that is a red my face so you're just gonna see that all over everything is exactly right exactly correct and and and gifs of michael doing stupid things yeah yeah yeahs and animated excuse me of badly photoshopped images of paul blart mall cop and tony stark riding around on Segway expecting a lot of NASA okay we did that we asked our was that hi Otto that we've yet up for us yes awesomest oh my god anyway for we good 10 of our gang that wrong what you're saying that correctly who oh yeah I don't say nasco oh yeah I know see a star now you've just abused everyone everyone who tuned in all the first time listeners who came to see what this weekly thing was all about have left no listen speaking of that I have one announcement to make before we get into the news and that is that longtime listeners will be familiar with this but we are in the running to be nominated for the possibility of winning maybe a stitcher award stitcher is a podcast network that is a cross-platform podcast network and you can stream many podcasts through it I've been using it since 2009 on webos but I used on Android these days and it's also on iOS and it's a wonderful app and I like it and they're not paying us anything to say that but we like it especially now because we are in the running for the best of stitcher 2013 specifically best tech podcast and as we were informed this morning we're in the running we're in the top five in the running for this nomination alongside some very awesome names like the verge cast and what the tech among others so we I just wanted to say that I'm pretty stoked just to be placed in the same list to some of those shows so we want to thank all of you listeners for getting us there yes Stephen it's good company it's great company no you know right of course we know karaoke revolution no it'sit's great thing but thing is we need your help folks we have two days of voting remaining this is one of those annoying contest that you bother your friends and family with every day we're like guys remember you can vote everyday but you can vote everyday we are hoping to win best tech podcast of 2013 there are two more days to do it and we will drop the link in the description as we have done for the last couple shows and while you are voting yeah Stephen don't forget this is the last day we're running the pocket now readers choice and so get your votes in by the end of the day we're announcing them first thing next week on Monday that is awesome thank you for that reminder that is the pocket now readers choice awards how are they going Stephen ahh good last time I checked it was a we had some pretty clear winners at the time but maybe things have shifted over the past few days you know we promoted it some more hopefully got some more votes but I'm worried just with about like the second and third fourth place results those were a little more fluent so maybe something interestings happen we'll find out next week cool all right yeah get your votes in for that that's gonna be really interesting to see what our reader base thinks about the current landscape Taylor where you're trying to say something there before we moved on yeah the stitcher Awards aside if you check out stitchers website and look at that rankings and technology section we're actually 35 up 15 from when this started so thank you everyone whoa wait hold on so what are those numbers mean I actually didn't know this yeah we were in the top 50 of all tech bobcat podcast through stitcher before this whole thing started for the nominating Zand but all that started the stitcher Awards before that all that started we were like 50 and in the top 50 now we're 35 we've jumped 15 spots since last week when I looked at it yeah dad hey everyone really this american life is higher rank than us that doesn't sound right but that's that who listens to that Ira Glass fellow now that's that's awesome I didn't know that so listeners once again thank you we're gonna stop talking about the contest now but could please please keep those votes pouring in and maybe something awesome will happen for the holidays does it does it count if I vote from like 30 different machines and IP addresses every day it does yeah it counts counts in an awful awful way you cheated get out of here didn't get in good I'm glad you didn't don't know saying someone else shouldn't don't cheat contests don't listen to Taylor Martin the bad influence of of 2013 hey speaking of the holidays do you guys know what I'm wrapping up get yours Yolo review the yola days you got closest Adam down okay hooray for awful words that are made up so yeah yola has viewers and listeners will be aware yola has sent us a review device which we've spent a little over a day and a half with at this point we have an unboxing and a first impressions video up I have been the one using it in the States here and it has been an experience and it's so crazy and I just wanted to point out that we are still in the midst of our pseudo review period we're not gonna have a traditional review on this device because we actually can't test it to its full ability here in the states it's just not built for this market so what are the bands that it has so it's got gsm 850 900 1800 1900 and UMTS 920 100 and that's it oh god okay that explains a lot yeah so like actually Tony asked me the same question this morning he was like yeah so what's what's your problem i can't shoot i'm like because it's he's like isn't can't you throw a tmobile sim in there is if that weird bands like no it's just no bands that i can use you assume like 80 is going to work for everything pretty much but not if we don't have the 1900 in there and there was 858 1800 and uh 9 and 9 950 yeah and 10 20 100 so like I don't know it's um that's been frustrating so I've had to carry around a mobile hotspot if I want to use it in public good that's like when I was reviewing the Xperia Z um it was not compatible with anything here in the states and I was stuck home edge the entire time of unit will you had edge I don't even I have GPRS when I'm not when I'm not telling to a hot spot so yeah it's right it's kind of rough there but you know it's okay it's not ending on the phone by the way I mean like the phone is not built for this market so that's what the point is that's not why we're not reviewing it and because we can't effectively do it if ever I yola is built for an area where we have a reviewer station then we will absolutely give it a real review what's what to I was just saying like you using I'm on GPA or GRPs GPRS generally a packet radio service fun fact that's what it stands for that comparing to edge in in in two days he works like this in flavors of unacceptable yeah yeah it's like saying oh my car has triangle wheels and the other guy complaining that his has square wheels and you know it's an episode of Mythbusters yeah now but anyway that aside radio compatibility side it has been really interesting to work with a new platform because we really don't get the opportunity to carry around a phone with a new platform all that often I got to speak to marc dylan yeliz head of software development the other day and it's it's been a really weird brain exercise I wanted to ask you guys when was the last time you picked up a platform that was new to you whether it was a newly launched platform for the world or just new to you do you remember like what that felt like anyone can go no yeah it's the last one I did i think i actually used webos before android so Android was the last new platform I used oh I think I'm in the same boat as you each other because I first used android uh when I got no windows an EVO window of course it's windows phone yeah oops this gonna be Adams answer to cuz he moved on to Windows Phone as his daily driver after webos right yeah yeah and also Android so I mean I've yeah it's it's I've been in tech support for so long it's pretty much my job to be able to pick up anything and figure out how it works so I mean I don't really have the same learning curve that a lot of people do whatever I just I have to know I and I understand and appreciate why you're saying that but I'm gonna tell you what if I sent you this yola I I would love to just film you for a day as you tried to figure it out actually I did this last night I gave it to my friend my good tech tech buddy Chris Larson he was across the table from me we were having dinner after a show and I was like here you go man you figure it out and I took enough photos of him and his girlfriend and everyone else trying to figure it out that it became a nice animated gif that I posted a Google+ today how gesture reliant is it navigating through it's entirely gesture rely on Jesus which which is you great like normally I think if you listen back to enough of these shows I'm the one sitting here going like guys we need to get rid of buttons gestures are the best things ever and I still believe that and in a lot of respect sailfish OS uses them intelligently but but what about like accessibility is it I can't speak to accessibility I mean just from a from a day-to-day usage standpoint from someone of from a somewhat of normal a bit of the typical abilities rather it's it's very very tough for me to get used to because it is so reliant on sideswipes and swipe some different directions like you know how Windows 8 does that thing where it's like okay swipe in from the right to do your charms bar and then swipe up for more so I think so this is like that except the gestures in the first place I think are a little harder to get used to because i don't i don't know of any other OS that makes you swipe in from the sides to go back to the home screen it's usually a swipe up so that takes some getting used to it first but then there's swiping down on any screen gets you to a menu that comes down from the top but then swiping down from the top bezel turns the screen off double tapping turns the screen back on and swiping up from the bottom bezel get you to notifications which I don't think you can dismiss by sliding them so you have to address every notification to clear it um so it's like yeah it's very it's it's an OS that that is frankly gorgeous visually but using it from ad in a day-to-day situation and I'm only two days end so on monday i might feel differently here but i'm just kind of frequently perplexed by how to use it but having said that are we at you I mean your job is to use mobile devices that is that's why we pay you oh and so yeah right and so wondering at that good at what bugs me about what you're saying is that you know your two days in your your you swim in mobile devices every day your two days in and you're still having trouble using it your average consumer is gonna look at this thing and today I don't know how to use this and they're gonna go straight back to the store with the receipt not for the average consumer is not the point of this it's like the alternative to everything else so you guys have both brought up two great points and marc dylan brought this up on our call to your first point yeah the average consumers so this is you know we have a relationship with yola that's that's very good and i love talking to them in person on interviews everything like that i can usually tell when somebody is going to two Bs me so this sounds like a like a like kind of a bsp our copy story but it's not did they had literally a grandmother you know how you always make that example were like your grandmother would love this phone because it works great that's why we have the granny score you know unscored for me thing right oh i thought we had that for you uh-huh I mean no so literally a grandmother was one of the purchasers of this initial production run of yola phones and she ran through the tutorials and she picked it up in pretty much no time now as if that's a result of her if this being her first smartphone maybe that might be it yeah I think you definitely do have to throw away any conception of how a phone works we'll kick it up like it's about the only things it has in common with androids iPhones and my windows phones is that you slide things around on the screen and that's about it like you can tap on them so how does it how does it compare with with blackberry 10 as far as the gestures and everything go if you go into it thinking that it'll be at all similar to blackberry 10 you will have a much harder time than if you just forget blackberry 10 exists because well I'm i don't i don't mean that i'm saying i had trouble with with blackberry 10 and all the way that all the gestures were yeah not because of how different it was from android or anything but just because it's just cumbersome because there are so many different gestures that sometimes you wanted to do one thing and something else would happen and it was inconsistent he has one time you wanted to do something and you swipe the same weight later and something else happens to see i don't i don't find that to be the case much with blackberry 10 but if you think that about blackberry 10 and then the yellow device will probably not be for you um one thing i see a double on yeah come from your little your daily experience video with it was talking about how you have to be your very in control of what's going on and to be aware of what it's doing is there a lot of contextual stuff and like the gestures will get / based on you know what screen you're on where you are in a menu is that what you were getting too yeah the OS doesn't actually like change things on the fly like it doesn't try to dupe you you know it's not like a mean OS but you but you do have to remember like i was saying before you have to remember that tapping on some part of the screen and pulling down is way different from swiping in from from a bezel and the same function like you can close an app by swiping down from the top bezel but if no app is open on the screen then swiping down from the top bezel lock the screen and while when I say that out loud it sounds like it makes all the sense in the world it sounds like of course it does i mean that's yeah that's how things should work in practice at least in my case and maybe i'm fried and maybe I'm old I don't know in my case it results in me never really knowing how to work the phone so I can I think I can relate that to the way that action launcher works and I know I always come back to this but action launcher is actually pretty heavily based on gestures and you can open your app drawer and open actually widgets on top of whatever application you're using from swiping from the bezel oh and yeah so if you're in the home screen swiping anywhere so okay so if you have one home screen swiping from right to left whether it's from the edge of the display or if it's just swiping right to left opens the quick page which has art a quick doc whatever it is has widgets and things in it if you swipe left to right and you don't bring like swipe from the edge of the display so if you swipe from the middle of this display left to right ending a very good fiction yeah it's kind of difficult to explain but I think it's the same way like it works differently in different scenarios so if you have more than one home screen you have to swipe from the edge of the display to open the back door okay yeah so it is that same thing we're like it's very sensitive to what what specific gesture you're making you know that I kind of didn't make sense I just sir if I want go ahead i wonder if maybe we're moving towards and god I'd this would be kind of cool actually when you really stop and think about it wonderful movie moving towards like a build-your-own gesture type interface where we know where it's like you know sure if you want to swipe up from the bottom that'll open up your home screen but what if you as a user want to swipe in from the left and open up your home screen and be really cool to have like a whole know I would be in figura below gestures that you do cuz I would love to have a phone that you can control extreme you know one hundred percent with gestures but I would like to have some input as to what those gestures are actually going to be so in that respect this this phone might be right up your ass because violas entire concept and Stephen said a little bit about this before number one yet this phone is not for the average consumer is for someone who wants to be luke like literally unlike like it's for someone who doesn't want to use one of the existing platforms so in that respect this thing fits the bill it's nothing like anything I've used before except for possibly me go but I haven't used that before so but the end of earlier release version of a go on the n9 by the way clarification but so there's that and it's also for that quote that Steven mentioned from marc dylan where it's like this is a lot more like using a manual transmission car than an automatic car because you're you do have to be involved with it but as a result of that added work it's more fun so then I asked Adam about your point I was like yeah so what if you guys are big on collaboration with the users like this phone is built for for the fans and you know you're encouraging all this feedback from the community could we at some point see a change in gestures if enough people were like yeah I'd like to up swipe from the bottom to go back home screen and it's no different than the way like hot corners on on Mac os10 is what do you know what are they like are those user configurable yeah like they don't do anything at all unless you set them up right and when you set them up you can set them to do whatever you want and Yolo has a community specifically that they've built specifically for this the site even though it's in their press release the site is not live it's going to be at together yellow calm right now you can't get to it it's got to find a wall but that's where you're going to be able to like offer all this feedback as a yola user and if the company is to be believed and I see no reason not to believe them they're really going to take that feedback and use it to change the product going forward so I think that's awesome and there's a lot of awesome stuff about this device and you can see it all we got to move on but you can see it all in that video the Steven talked about and I've got another one coming up on Monday kind of sounds like we crapped on it but it's it's not that it's just that it's so different and that's really commendable before we do move on I have to ask you real quick about the android app compatibility layer you had some issues getting things to work well did anything actually you know really work without issue though well I know the answer to at least part of that question do you yeah because I randomly sent you a hangouts message earlier today and you look that was so good in that was so so cool yes Stephen thank you for bringing this up when I finally did manage to sync my google accounts to the two yola it behaved as normal it imported contacts and did all that kind of stuff and it frequently forgets my google login so I kind of have to constantly relog in which is a giant pain but when it works it to step it's so funny is this exactly right Taylor and the two step is actually what's causing the hang-up but when it works well it's surprising me in a way that the pre surprised me in 2009 and in some ways with synergy because hangouts is somehow is integrated so although I have not downloaded an app to handle it or anything like that when I when Taylor sent me a hangouts message earlier it just the yola informed me and I was like how do you know and then I went to the notification screen and it was like yet you want to respond i'm like yeah okay and then I had this hangouts conversation through the yola messaging interface on Yoda I was like that's really awesome I didn't expect that what a wonderful little piece of you know surprise and delight I've found sounds like Windows Phone and facebook chat for a time before Facebook broke it right ya know exactly exactly right and like the webos energy concept with them with google talk or google chat owes it was called back in the day okay so that was really radical and then Steven answer your question about the apps the ola store is almost completely barren in terms of stuff that i use and in terms of apps in general it's very light but the Sailfish is still in beta i should mention as it did in the video so that's not entirely unexpected so to fill the gap they've got the y and x store which is part of the Yandex search engine monster company in Russia but that's like a smaller subset of Android apps is eighty-five thousand or so now so you can download those to the device if you sign up for a Yandex Store account which cream side note as well I believe you can I have not so I mean it's got you know the Android runtime is capable of running seven then somebody was on a commenter was very helpful and said hey you can download the Android app store the amazon appstore as well so it was like oh really so then I downloaded that and that's how i got my facebook app on the phone so right now on the on yola i have twitter facebook skype drag racing firefox in Evernote I mean that's those were the things I needed to put on there right away and no Sparkle no Sparkle yet I'm gonna draw article on there so you needed drag racing I just needed a game to test I really didn't need it so how well does it work if you just straight-up sideload map I give an APK I do not know yet I'm gonna try that this week i I'm sorry I haven't tried that yet I should what now you know i I've you can you can take this so far and I want to go as close to enthusiasts as I can without completely leaving average consumer behind so average consumer is going to want to download apps over the air sideloading like in no world is side loading a value add that you can actually pitch to a regular person side load this he's no i'm pretty much i'm pretty sure side loading this to hipster versions what I mean that says yeah it's so unhip stir so anyway that that's what I meant to say but the point is there's there's some work left to do the apps run okay the on-deck storage crashes sometimes but it's in beta so it's broke this is why we're not reviewing it is in beta what nope road you have a limo TG sport job Rosby OTG you got that yeah can you plug in your frickin USB stick to this phone if not it not buying it did you see what I bought this week I didn't yeah you're a little micro SD thing yeah the little me Nova a micro SD card reader that you put into a micro USB port you're gonna make that one dude who hangs out in the comments and bashes any phone without that support so happy yeah I know I know yeah okay can now test it but you bro you'll broke jebra so that's so that's yola yes your phone for now we're still obviously developing our final opinions I can't wait to spend a weekend weather just to see if I get used to it or not so thanks to yola for sending us the demo unit and watch our video if you have not the videos so therefore Stephen do you want to do want to kick us off with the Android day a category why not very good let's do android okay so we have this LG GX it popped up on the radar not more than a week or so ago and it was really really confusing at the time because the specs made it seem a whole lot like a phone we already knew quite well the optimus g pro from back what 10 months ago by now and LG finally did announce this thing this week sort of surprisingly it's one of those phones i guess moved really really quickly and now it's official and again it sounds exactly like the g pro so it's it's a confusing phone in that sense the the size is the same the processor is the same ram storage camera it's a G pro in my kiss vog wanting to reposition things with this G branding rather than the optimist branding it had coming up here the g2 but yeah that's the site it was too easy to say and all right miss G pro right now they're like oh TGS 6l chicks yeah that's what we're gonna call it right the end of course you know once the g3 comes out we're gonna want to say like G acts to refer to the entire family can't do that now can't do that now yeah too easy but this one like I saw the story and I was excited because GX sounds like a pretty cool name like it's like a sweet and then I show up at the story I'm like oh there's no curved screen oh there's no back buttons oh it seems the g pro which was Taylor you reviewed that right i did and i had a three-foot antenna in it yeah flex that's what makes it unique enough states gonna battery the size of an aircraft carrier geez what was with the red optimus g pro didn't do their 3140 milliamp hours ain't nothing like 3500 get out of here all right with the optimus g pro that was one of us i think i was stuck on either 3g or edge with that one as well because that's what happens when you get all these korean devices so you know they're not built for america so you could stuck with this device that you can only use in certain ways right but Obama yeah that's never gonna get old I don't know why this would exist except for to make me upset over the name yeah the LG GX I'm upset I'm upset by this so let's move on I don't want talk about anymore what's the next second what's there's a week of overseas phones I'm really like yeah well this one is interesting because of well um it's said what's the Xperia z1 there's a new version of it that just got confirmed for China back on its own is not interesting at all the interesting part is what this means about the what we've been calling the z1s and we've been following this guy around for weeks now and at first it seemed very clear this is going to be the international version of the z1 app which is just a smaller version of the z1 but unlike so many small clothes we see it has all of the great hardware of the full-sized version reason them fitting excited right there I think it's just plural FCC is going to plural Z 1 like this these are Z ones they are good but we saw these pictures we couldn't make sense of a phone that looked a lot like the z1 but with some slightly moved around parts the headphone jack infinite replace the front facing camera shifted around this at least confirms what we were seeing it's just another version of the z1 for China but it leaves a question remaining how is this mini z1 actually going to kind of internationally in the u.s. probably shouldn't care about it that much since Sony's made it clear that it doesn't really care about getting phones on carriers here anytime in the near future but you guys in Europe you might want to keep an eye out for what actually comes of this it's just a lyric service advisory it's all we're doing here it's up so that was a little soft intro that's just to just to get you ready get your little relaxed get you get you excited for or maybe worried about this next thing we're gonna talk about I find this headline the most believable thing I've read in months I believe all of those three already in a little bit refuted has it really it has see this is why I'm not a newsman tell us what the headline says yeah well the ongoing saga of the galaxy s5 brought us to a finding where someone thought that we might get a 2k display for the sky and I know there's been a lot of comments readers about hating this 2k term how it's it means the same thing as 1080p pretty much does 1920 pixels that's almost 2k just deal with it guys this is what we're calling the 2560 x 1440 displayed for now maybe it'll change it probably won't but just it's a 2k soon we're talking about the galaxy s5 might get this 2k screen like we're seeing on a bunch of phones out of China right now and it could also get an iris scanner of all things lord I don't know guys till we'd of it we talked about this on the pocket i alive this morning anyway yeah we did we had some good ginseng around you didn't get that email I have to forward that to write the second actually I'm going to ok right now so while you do that I'll say we had some listeners or viewers asking some questions about their our thoughts on an iris scanner and it's like I mean this seems this if there was a company out there that was going to try and do this on a phone oh it would be Samsung does anybody disagree Apple doing it too yeah but that's this seems I mean that's scary this is something I hold watches other companies too but Apple where you go Michael's stupid thinking this is such a fundamentally bad idea that it's never going to happen you need really really good optics crazy because you can eat a good lens and there's not just room for a good lens in there and it's not even just that you might mine yes yes I mean the reason a lot of these things fail the ice cruel didn't work in the dark for a reason and this isn't going to change anything here wow this is cool there's gonna be people in movie theaters trying to unlock their phones and like screaming at damaged Oh like it's just it makes me think back to face unlock like it was a really cool feature for like a week since no it was cool for a week show up like an hey I'm like my phone by just holding it up to my face and and uh you know after like a week or so after you forgot to shave a couple times and and your face slightly changed because your hair was longer and different things it's like I don't I don't recognize you and you're not going to get into your fault and then but when it got improved later and then that stuff was fixed like it was too late because the buzz was already blown everyone had already been like gimmick that half works all the time but and whatever and this is my hearing else doesn't anybody else remember the product demo I don't remember who was i thank euless Samsung where they actually tried to show off face unlock during a product demo and it didn't work yeah is it was a that watch while I hold of something my face and it does nothing that was google and samsung what they were releasing the Galaxy Nexus that's exactly what it was I was watching that live yeah okay I was watching the 10 I'm like I still remember that from the whole face lock thing I'm just like great it doesn't work you're fired okay well not it works for me for several weeks and I kind of liked it for a while but I talked about this on the wife this morning the reason that it doesn't work so well is because you have to change how you get into your phone normally you're looking down at your phone zactly and it's it's like chest level or waist level depending on what you're doing can ever ever hold your phone straight up and out of your face sorry so to unlock your phone you've got to hold it up straight in front of your face and it just looks awkward it's awkward it's uncomfortable it sucks yeah exactly that's what I was just gonna say like it should know it should be able to learn what you look like from like waist height and like that's how you unlock your phone like take the average between waist height chest height and boom there you go but there's a huge contingent out there of you know non-serious smartphone users who use their phone mainly to check out their hair looks with the front-facing camera like you guys are crazy I always pointed at my face when I use my phone well yeah I mean that's true but so it let's not get off the I lock though because we got an interesting email apparently at CES this year is going to be a this isn't like an da or and if i write that they're just there on the list right far as i know it's not in da alright well I'm not gonna set another covered with that there will be an exhibitor at least one exhibitor at CES demoing technology like this and and i think i'm gonna go to that booth i think i am telling them and go with you and bring make a video we have we have a friend of the booth who didn't get the memo that i should be copied on emails yeah well you forget these things i know but like you know I'm she i also had dinner with it anyway it doesn't matter let's i'm jealous of your BFF itude can you tell um what some things people don't have to try for maybe shud i am maybe shut up and go go go away so this all is coming this get a room you two let's move on to this to the meat of this story so the samsung galaxy s5 could feature a 2k display alongside an iris scanner but Steven tell us why we shouldn't believe one or both of these things well then yesterday there was this benchmark result going around one of the many model numbers that we've been fielding as a candidate for the galaxy s5 and according to this antutu result it only had a 1080p screen now I should be clear that the translations came from the Chinese and 22 site mention something about how this might be locked to only function as a 1080p display despite having the capability for a2k you know as to make it easier during development I don't know why they would do that but maybe maybe not it's far from a certainty I guess is what we're getting too yeah and I don't know guys I'm going to say something that's imminently predictable the iris scanner even though it probably won't work well i think that is still the more exciting news here 2k every time I see 2k bat it around whether it be comments articles whatever now Steven you may disagree with me because you wrote an editorial that's to the opposite thruster I just think that I I think you're all being manipulated not you guys but everyone in the world I mean the industry is manipulating you to care about this and I cannot fathom a world in which human eyeballs will be able to determine that a 2k screen is so far superior to a 1080p display that you would prefer the two case I don't see you can see it bro don't see it but as a great bro get out of your tea bro but I put some more coffee in your mouth what I was trying to get out with the point of that editorial is that while if there aren't the as you know jaw-dropping differences between 1080p and 2k as you get with like wvga versus even 720p um your eyes still can pick up on some of the differences especially with situations that push the limits of the display like if you have a line that's very nearly vertical but not quite if you're gonna get the aliasing the stepping among the eggs they're right even with a high res screen like 1080p you can still see the art of acting there and 2k I mean it's not going to make the phone using experience a whole lot better but your eyes just going to pick up on things looking more natural and looking at me you're right it's definitely going to be a more marketing push than anything but I do think there are some actual benefits to it and the trade-offs aren't as bad as a lot of the naysayers might believe well my problem with it is okay so you have this very very very marginal bump in what the display is going to look like because if we take 1080p now if we take a 1080 p SL dc-3 slc on Syria yeah we get 3 display which is I guess regarded by most as probably the best-looking smartphone display right now the one on the HTC one yeah a great display is phenomenal yeah why would you want to in marginally improve that when you're gonna have to have more power to push more pixels it's just that it's not that much more power though but I I mean what doesn't it have to be like if the pixel density is that high doesn't the backlight have to be brighter in the case of an LCD yeah you have but we're not talking with the power to switch the pixels isn't going to change that much because we're dealing with smaller cells at the same time you're dealing with a lot of different things that could affect it negatively the point I'm just trying to make is you're looking at a tiny tiny tiny bump in how good it's gonna look if if it's even visible if you can even tell and it's all really for marketing that's really all it's for I would rather them improve 1080p which is I think going to be kind of like the terminal resolution if you will for smartphones unless unless the five years down the road no smartphone is smaller than six inches but I would cry then but the point I'm trying to make is is even the slc d3 display has problems samsung Super AMOLED display at 1080p has problems they're not perfecting this display technology they're just bumping resolution and bumping resolution and dealing with problems like the SOC d3 the blacks on that they're not pitch black in it might be a limitation of LCD for for blacks vs amulet because i'ma let if it's black the pixels aren't on yeah but yeah but even I mean once we get some problems once we start talking about problems out of this granular you can then qualify anything as a problem AMOLED screens are not totally black when they are off because the glass layer on top of the screen transmits some of the glass as some of the light from the lit components oh right so exactly so at what point do we say enough you know at what point do we stop saying like you know what when it's great nicked Michael yeah we wouldn't win Eddie Murphy in the fat suit punched the camera in that horrible movie he didn't actually hit me in the face so this screen sucks like no that's not you need to get to a point where it's like this screen is good enough now let's move on and anyway right I want to just saying 2k is useless on a phone that's what I needed this that's my opinion what are the family so let me let me ask it this I want to kind of move this in a new direction before we go on we don't do this very often but there's a piece of listener mail that fits this perfectly and asks an awesome question so we're going to do listener mail at the end of the show but this one right now is from phillip humber ooh who is from Kenya nairobi kenya and he says yes you do have fans in Africa thank you Phillip before I ask my question let me just say you guys are the best hands down I appreciate the podcast and the effort thank you sir thank you for listening but I personally think we're pretty good for hands you know i love that your internet connection slight decided to troll your so hard because I've no idea what you just said we're pretty good at Tesla coil awesome n-not at Tesla coil don't even start with that somebody in your house just started downloading a film my cell phone spreading now Adam hold on i'll let you say that in the second of its limited phillips email you're a larger number of pixels i was thinking he says the higher the screen resolution the higher the pixel density right a larger number of pixels means more power usage which in turn there's a better life whatever we've talked about that already on the show but it depends on the size of the screen philip asks do you think that there will be a time whereby we will have the option to reduce the resolution on our device screen and save on a charge i'm saying this because we're being teased with 2k possibly 4k screens i see this is overkill because the HTC one is gorgeous at 1080p will we be able to revert to 1080p on these future devices and reduce the battery consumption sorry for long email keep up the good work oh yeah i'm voting on stitcher daily you don't deserve a win cheers phil still thank you oh thank you thank you for the question the question is I understand the query chat point where users can define their own resolution based on situation like can I scale down the resolution on my display if I would rather have three percent more battery power than killer is that talking about my limit XD scaled up to 2k or running in a 1080p window in the middle of the 2k I think running on a I think he's talking about scaling I mean I wouldn't change any of these yeah you can't change the resolution that resolution is a hardware feature so so anything you do after the phone is already built is just going to be a software thing it's going to be upscaling downscaling you can shut off every other pixel and you could have like a really weird looking like 80's dealer yeah 3 inches of bezel around you but I do understand what he's asking and and it's not exactly what he's asking but there's an answer to something similar good said I would I was uh yeah I was I had the same question about jumping to 1080p like why would we jump to 1080p when 720p it looks great and 1080p is going to do nothing but burn more battery and it's not necessarily true the technology that they're using in the newer 1080p panels is actually more power efficient than than some of the order of 720p panels yes you have more pixels to push your processors are working harder your GPUs are working harder everything's working a little harder but the the panel itself is actually more power efficient so mmm it really depends I can't remember where i found that it was one of those super technical sites like a non-tech or or something to that degree but yeah it's something where an in an engineer had really broken it down to a very finite answer and oh yeah it's just like a lion club type story I wonder yeah I don't think it was Brian but it may have been I don't know but I read it and they were talking cuz that I wrote an editorial and basically this this article that this person wrote completely debunked my editorial made me feel like an idiot that doesn't happen very often and I love very humbled yeah I was a very calm evidence cuz I'm like oh my god brain gift yeah but I was I was happy to be wrong so there there may be something with 2k and 4k but the the problem that that really happens there is what Michael was talking about you have to have a brighter backlight to make it through a much higher resolution display because the pixels are smaller mm-hmm and they're tighter together and there's very very little space for a backlight to sikh guru so i don't know i can't say whether 2k or 4k displays are going to be more power efficient but I I would stretch to say that 1080p is kind of that sweet spot for a phone yeah I think I think we're probably the same page you and me there but we're talking a lot about hypotheticals stuff here with 2k displays not a lot of them exist in the world as a matter of fact I don't even know if there is a phone out there in the world with a2k screen Steven can you shed any light on this I think I just might be able to whoa yeah so the last month or so they've been talked out of China for I think two or three companies that have been either been teasing this or been hearing rumors that they're finally going to introduce a smartphone with a 2k display oppo is one of them but VEVO has beaten everyone to the punch and launched its xPlay 3s whit sure enough has a 2560 x 1440 display i disguise a six incher and I think that's interesting because Chalmers is talking about how he loves the HTC one's display and I was curious exactly what this means pixel density wise on a screen this big yeah and in fact of the matter is 2k on a six inch screen is just about it's a little higher but it's within the same range as the pixel density you get an HTC One it's 490 ppi versus 470 or so ppl yeah that's which they involve our man that's definitely the same ballpark especially considering it's arguable whether any human can tell but we already had that conversation everything else seems really great about this phone tube has got a decent size batteries Snapdragon 800 another three gig ram phone I mean the software who knows but right hardware wise it's got everything isn't it amazing how like this changes at least for me this changes the whole mindset about this thing suddenly it doesn't seem that absurd because if you're just doing this if you're using a 2k resolution or thereabouts-- to get me a 409 dppi resolute pixel density on a six inch screen well then I'm like yeah of course you would do that why wouldn't you because as you say we're big fans of the HTC one screen that's 469 and this should be in the same neighborhood and if they did Steven did you do the math and find out what what it would have been at 1080p on this guy I did not pixel density calculate her someone talk while I do this math are you looking at six inches at 1080p yeah that's correct okay I'll do it really quickly diagonal screen size in inches what is it 19 it's 367 wow you are very fast you guess I am 360 said yeah so 367 vs 4 90 at that point even then it's an arguable case even that I think a lot of people wouldn't i wouldn't go children but i would i would love this that's a point percent reduction so that's a pretty big number yeah at that point it's it's the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 5 inch foam and that is a difference we made fun of before but which we ultimately decided oh wait no it does look better yeah maybe and I have no qualms yeah I have no qualms with 2k on a 6-inch phone but under that six-inch threshold I think it's 1080p really is more than enough these guys are going to soak up the press these VEVO folks because this how old is this post 1218 is like a two-day old posts come over 100 comments yeah that phone has everything so so it's something I've been saying a long time is that HTC they make these killer phones and then they skimp on one aspect or Samsung does the same thing where they make this killer device and there's like you know it's got three gigs of ram and all these other stuff an end next on camera yeah like what are you doing and this this is the first one I've seen that's just everything so 2k three gigs of ram Snapdragon 800 32 gigs of internal storage choice vivo I've never seen her device from vivo before I think the only thing that this does not have at least as far as the specs they released is a optical image stabilization in the camera it's a good it's a good to good answer my question thank you feeldoe telecommunications company from and the answer you were looking it up or from typed brazil it looks like a major virgin mobile phone company ways to get a phone from yeah portuguese for alive is the name of his vivos translation hmm and it's a subsidiary actually of something else huh headquartered in Sao Paulo Brazil looks like they have a rocket ship in the front yard which is pretty cool yeah nice oh it's a tower but it looks like a rocket ship anyway so I guess I absolutely maybe is vivo gonna be good nice is people gonna be at CES I love this is like a discovery session for us yeah we should check that out you know why you while you check that out I found a really kind of funny headline from The Associated Press where France France it's not sexting it's texto pornography I like that better texaco pornography that's one word by the way it's a very German way to combine words like this it is that it's run word it's txt opor in OTR aph IE yeah text okay last section better well we are at the we're coming up on a 50 minute mark we're still deep in android territory we'll see if we can get a look at that 2k smartphone maybe for once Jaime Rivera will be able to secure a review unit that he doesn't have to ship three times to get to him I know we are running slow but while we were talking about ces and companies were not very familiar with showing up there yeah I wanted to mention quick my zoo is making a u.s. bush and will be coming to us yes / I think the first time I just added mizzou to our to our list of would be nice two visits nice mm-hmm we have a lot to visit in those three days we have so much we owe my god is going to be nothing like Aoife where we had almost no appointments and we were just wandering like this is crazy so let's move on to my favorite piece of news all month except it's only halfway awesome I kinda know let down I know I know it this is about the Moto X I'm going to announce it this is about the Moto X and I want to announce the the wooden option is finally available I well-phrased Steven by the way cool image that was a joke initially it was like moto got would but I couldn't rein yourself that's that oh man you could have to boil add publish button sounds like AG is headline though it does it does the other thing is so we only got the bamboo option and I don't think is bamboo even technically would it sure it is is it sure it is here's my problem with the bamboo so with the evony you live in a bubble yeah yeah the ebony that Michael is like just really targets were channeling over yes has a back the back trim is black so on the normal Moto X the trim on the side is one piece on the wooden moto X's the trim is divided in two halves so on this one the back half of the trim is white on the bamboo on the ebony it's black and you can't change that and get a bamboo phone it has white trim on the back so if you want a black front you have a black front trim a white bag trim bamboo in the back and then a black front then you have an accent color too oh and I like it's just no although it so that that sucks but at the same time the bamboo needed to be paired with the white you could not have paired this wood color with black and head it look good that's what ebony is that what's the lighting was no exact what I would call that phone I would call out the storm trooper on Endor so yeah that is true and you compare it with black for some contrast now it would look you're a cretin only a very Philistine beauty on American get that it is three colors on the bag won't be home I'm not lying blue and bamboo black blue and bamboo no white blue and bamboo that's why they photographed this the way they did I would do it the other way I'm out you know I wonder if you could see danger someone else likes gay in the road now it's just an option standard moto maker that's not official dude that's what I want to do I want to get a moto x strip the protective film off the wood and varnish at a different dealer I want to be a weekend xray that would be fun Taylor do it for mod 0 dy dollars today on today's video and today's baccano video we're belt sanding a moto x sounds good to me yeah I think this is to a DIY pack were you you pick your own color and varnish it that would be so cool that would be like the awesome hobbyist phone ever let's propose that to Yoda and we be coming together yellow calm yeah I'm willing to sell this idea decided let's get him on the air uh what I was about to look at something else and I can trim it so we have no word on the on the ebony availability right no they haven't says and and you know what makes me supremely upset so I bought one with the $150 off option mm-hmm I can't exchange mine for bamboo or even if evony were available the hundred and fifty dollar promotion is not eligible like these are not eligible for that promotion alright so we've seen them say they can't deliver these on time we've seen them say they're more expensive than you thought they were going to be even though you knew they were going to be more expensive and now we see them said you can't exchange them I'm telling you they can't make these in volume like these half these are a very limited run because they don't foresee crazy demand I think mmm it's true and and that makes me sad because i'd be willing to pay you know hundred dollars more because i still get 150 off so i would still be you know if you dollars cheaper than the normal Moto X if you have a dollar so what are you gonna do I mean you can't almost anywhere wouldn't you know it sir what's a hundred fifty dollar promotion has returned today and the bamboo option is explicitly excluded from it yep Tanya you know the thing is they don't want to level like 40 million forests to make a bunch of wooden smartphones like bamboo grows like weeds it's hard to get it to stop growing around here that's a good yoga we'd see give me your new weed phone um let's hold different like a layer yeah take my band please I would love to talk about the Moto X for the rest of the show but we have to move on them and that sad part of really quickly Moto X what is it I have to send mine back that is very sad yeah the button on the side of mine is it's almost flush with the side yeah the volume button is almost flush and I can barely press it would you say that ain't right today right well there's your problem like I got 150 off we're gonna give them a jacked up volume rocker and it sags and not process that one and no no doubt no doubt I really want a reason to return my nexus 5 so I can get one of the ones with the firmer buttons and the tiny little Center all changes yeah yeah the buttons on the moto or the Nexus 5 you can hear them rattled yes what about that well yeah I kind of mine yeah what about what about what about like if I were shopping for samsung stuff in like the real world what if a little bit if I have where would their buttons be like it would it be like an apple store we have to move on Michael yeah we do eral segue michael is the embodiment of the oscar music that swells when is it true i did you get a sound to you on the show to like to put that in when we need to play them off yeah let's go what's the story here's James like click bait for commenters everybody loves apple stores they're fun to go to their laid out nicely you see all them nice hardware there take your stuff in kathak geniuses work on it it's a nice retail experience and apparently samsung is looking to get itself a slice of the same action and it hired one of the guys who was instrumental in designing the apple store as we know today and so Samsung it already has some retail locations um the ones I'm familiar with it usually within other stores I'm not used to seeing standalone samsung retail locations but apparently that's the intention and it's going to start bringing is straight-up samsung stores two locations across the United States sometime I guess starting next year hopefully hmm okay your honor you can clearly see here the shape of this Samsung store is exactly the same this is our table 18 inches in height their tables are 24 inches in height one of them is bamboo the other is mahogany I don't understand the similarity yeah well the corners the radius of the corners they're all the same now these flat screen displays are very similar to the CRTs used in this store that doesn't exist I got lawyers just started salivating for this news at the beach k service get out of my court your honor they're using iPads to display the information for their products rather this by the way I was I there was a horrible joke i just made but now i want to open a store with like in that it specifically says no to flat screen TVs I just want CRT's in all of my sty will sell you some of mine happy to me awesome what were you gonna say saying I think we're gonna say something uh I mean just makes a lot of sense for samsung how much I think we shouldn't I get harp too much on this it's gonna be like Apple but just making its own retail location it fits with Samsung they have Achebe's they have home a book do they have like stoves and things like LG has not stopping visually washing machines yeah yeah yeah they've home appliances I think it makes my samsung samsung could have a retail location like this we was gonna buy a samsung microwave in college because i was not a sprint fighting have my microwave from college it's a samsung it's the best microwaving awards were like heavily marketed at at us when we were in college because they were like hey they got some colors on them and they're like fancy and new looking hey we need a microwave and it looks like one of those old Macs so you should buy this it's totally not a computer and because I remember some had like some strange like spherical windows on them that world that they did look like the candy colored imax though it was awesome no but you're right Stephen there's no reason Samsung shouldn't open retail sorry and you know we started to see this at trade shows where they like in the city that hosted the trade show if you went to the mall nearby like Samsung would have three standalone booths just kind of kicking it be like hey you want to see the new Galaxy Note really all right I'm going to get some hairspray but all right and it sounds like fun like so it makes sense that they would parlay this that expertise and they were very well run into retail presence because they sell a wide range of stuff so it's just going to be you know the microsoft store had to endure being called the colorful apple store so the samsung is going to get the same crap but it'll be interesting to see if they decorate them differently if you value your your intelligence and your brain cells do not scroll down to the don't comments I made the mistake of Samsung Sam crap equals douche bag like people no one no one in check is good at those types of jokes like the the types of jokes that that like X bone is the best one I've heard in a long time but that's not even like a derisive comment it's just like this is funny like phandroid I sheep or any of the other real long shots and rams yeah like it that's not even doesn't even shut up sorry way oh my god I'm dumber yeah no I didn't want to scroll down there and then I did and now I'm we're all Dumber for having her let's close it out with with some of additional Samsung news before we happen to Windows Phone uh yes so we've been hearing a lot about Samsung tablets over the last few weeks and it's been kind of disparate rumors looking at one or the other and then just today someone thinks they figured out how a lot of these guys are going to start arriving and we're already talking about the idea of a tab 3 light which to me didn't make much sense because the tab 3 7 inches would replace is already pretty crappy to begin with but anyway it seems like it's happening so in addition to the light we're also going to start seeing if this rumor is accurate a pro series of Samsung tablets and it looks like Samsung might be dropping the yearly numbering like has become so vogue now with apple and the nexus 7 so we're just going to see the galaxy tab pro coming out next year eight point four inches was mentioned a 10.1 and this plus size 12 point 2 inch Galaxy Note that we've seen a lot of signs of it had FCC clearance and everything that could be the note pro 12.2 so don't look forward there might just be pro and lite versions of everything yeah so we're not gonna hear Samsung we're not going to hear samsung galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition my god allah in the wind willing now oh my gosh when i was reviewing that like ass oh my gosh but I that that 12.2 looks like a 43 aspect ratio really yeah that's a mean it's beside the note 10.1 oh I would not put much faith in this render here i am not sure the provenance of is but we saw the there's an FCC filing for the note pro 12.2 it's clearly white screen integration let me cool i think that it does these brand names do need cleaning up so i think this is good news i don't know this is way to do with them well is probably no but the same time you know hey I'm down with simplicity when it comes to this so I think everyone's tired of overdone brand names what they're there's nothing simple about this galaxy tab 3 light galaxy tab 3 pro galaxy tab pro 8.4 like no you're I mean it's not perfect but it's better than galaxy tab 3 7 and your galaxy tab 3 7 and 7 point 0 Galaxy Tab 3 10 2014 edition yeah Rev 2014 yeah any simpler remembered samsung galaxy s4 epic 4g touch HTC evo 4g LTE right yes yeah because we need you with the LT in the name my god but the point I'm trying a cuttable 4G LTE to what guys you're gonna have a their current lineup which is way too many tablets to begin with and then they're going to have a light in the pro version for all of those another guess it won't every single so I mean it would be awesome we have a new tablet student to review within the next week uh I might die yeah well that's that's that's the kind of the state of Android right it's it's a giant ecosystem full of devices that are raining on us all the time it kind of doesn't matter what they're going to be called we're going to review them in either love or hate them we reviewed all of them in like we could review all the pros in one review that sounds awful sounds like a horrible thing I would never want it's put a reviews this is what's wrong with this stuff now here's the galaxy tab pro in all sizes but fortunately there are eco systems out there that are just as exciting but do business much differently and with that let's move into Windows Phone Adam doubt can come back Oh Adam wake up well let's elbow Adam doubt awake I'm just waiting for the noise isn't there supposed to be a noise now yeah that happens thanks to the magic of post-production Adam okay wait next thing you're gonna tell me that the TV shows don't always have live studio audiences oh I gotta go now yeah I've poking holes in your view of the world you want to tell us what the first news story is Adam the Lumia 929 launch date is rumored and that there's actually a couple of different stories here about the 929 and the icon and the icon name and all that fun stuff so this is the first time I've taken a look at this image of the 929 which looks a lot like a in this one looks a lot like a droid DNA just because of how big it is would you make sure you're looking at here I'm sorry for the Lumia icon story the 929 launch date rumored got it let's look at DNA yeah because of the curved display edges and maybe just the angle to shut it but this thing looks really pretty from this angle actually from yeah besides that Verizon logo it wasn't a comedian I was a region of the other the other end ur fone arena for the icon could be getting even longer and it's weird because it's a black phone on a black background so it just looks all skewed and weird and I'm just like that can't possibly be right and and then I look at the the other picture that you guys are looking at and okay sure enough it actually does look normal but you'll see what I mean if you click over to the icon could be getting even longer for sure the interesting thing about this possibly dropping numbers from the name I would like to see Microsoft get away from the numbers I I lost interest in the numbers a long time ago myself the you know 9 29 28 922 920 and a half yeah I just yeah I would like I would like rather seen names I'd like to see maybe like themed names you know I dis metals really you like the nitrous even I think the number idea was a great concept I don't think Nokia implemented very well because there wasn't obvious reasoning to how the numbers work like we understood you happy 800 then 20 more means upgrading from windows 7 to Windows Phone 8 but then we start getting like well what how many numbers the ad for a dual sim that variant or you know I think at the 929 why is that an odd number it's it didn't make sense was the problem so listen I Stephen my mother I was going to make a counter argument just to your point I think that the numbers do make a degree of sense all in the state's all of the phones ending in one hour t mobile phones all the film's ending an eight or verizon wireless phones like there's carrier coding that that makes a degree of sense there and you know the phones generally get higher in quality as you go further up the line numerically so 500 600 700 you know and so on that's true but I wouldn't like to see I would like to get rid of all the carrier variance to begin with I don't see horse I still don't see why t-mobile has to have a different phone than AT&T does I just I'd good BB well it's trying to figure out what they do after the next generation so after you know the next generation of the 1020 that one's kind of clear they're gonna just keep going up but 920 what's the next generation after the 929 29 all these little then where did they get the money all right no yeah because they can't make it the 1020 so I see your point yeah they press the mold do something crazy like 19 20 and I things get really weird cuz the yellow because I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised to see the next generation 10 20 be the twenty20 if if Microsoft retains the same in convention but I wouldn't like that is it which would actually be a really good name special edition Barbara Walters phone like it's just I like Barry ran into the same exact problem because they started in like the low thousands and then they went up all the way to the 9900 and then like cry or didn't have a phone code name to 10,000 like they say hi to judge to blackberry 10 because they weren't have numbers yeah they overran the looks good so awesome too because they were gonna meet the ex and I was like oh the bbx sounds awesome but then they couldn't do that but yet got to an absurd point where I was looking at a blackberry product called like the 9950 and like cuz you you don't have any room left yeah so I actually wrote an editorial about that way back in the day like what are they gonna do they just start over at wonder illicit doors and go home yeah one test answered while the switching with the Nokia numbers to possibly going with words is interesting on its own what about the whole Nokia and Lumia part of the equation are we going to see Microsoft keep either of those well it's a good question because some people are speculating that the whole icon thing because it's basically nokia spelled backwards if you do it in a fun way is all i'm gonna be in command yeah so it's like AI KO n is was no no no no no thank you yeah I don't know I personally I think that's one of the great tragedies of this acquisition to be honest today is that the Windows Phone didn't need any help becoming more obscure I know it's been improving of late a lot more people have been buying them these days thanks to a variety of factors but it's still a real struggle for that platform to get any kind of purchase in some markets so and removing a name as vaunted as Nokia from the phones or nokia if you prefer is just really not going to help out at all and Lumia so i hope the lumia less weight is no they were able to retain that weren't able to retain the lumia brand is now getting lumia and asha brent was so microsoft is yeah yeah but but nokia is its cuz like yeah I have had people be like oh is that that knew that that Lumia thing so yeah that brand name is dependent rating to a degree but it's nowhere near everybody knows what a hell ok iphone is right it's gonna be so gonna exist in Star Trek time according to JJ Abrams like with my 1020 most people didn't ask me if it was a Lumia they asked if that was the 41-megapixel phone yeah is that a new phone with the crazy camera I get that a lot and I like that so it Lumia doesn't have a lot of weight not especially not to agree something like galaxy does so yeah yeah so did it's not that important it's not that established I think Microsoft might be better off by just tossing it to the wayside and doing their own thing you know but then again I mean then I would agree with you if it was another company but I just I don't see Microsoft coming up with it with a very compelling we're gonna call this our surface foam at the right and rather side to these rumors with the timing of it because we've also been hearing about it was a phone i think the many penny Moneypenny and it got some rumored numbers 6 20 x 1 ashore it's in the 600 range but if we're hearing about those and we're also hearing about 929 going icon this was presumably the 929 would come out first so is that not actually going to be called icon is this stuff about many penny wrong we it's not clear yeah I don't know I want to talk a little bit about the tablets and we're gonna kind of come into iOS here in a second but first I want to I want to make mention of the fact that our own Taylor Martin has a has an obligation to attend to and he's gonna have to leave early is that sad everyone i said i'm crying myself a little i'm gonna find out that they're not bumped out i don't have to insult you anymore wait you don't have shattered pieces of my life and move on it's all right Sam I gotta go finish this G flex review before midnight review rebuttal thank you view rebuttal a little go ahead Stephen say it I have no idea what you're talking about your ebuddy that's great well listen but before you go I think it'll be time for us to answer one listener mail question if you don't mind because I think Taylor you have some interesting insight into this and we're just going to sprinkle these throughout the podcast I guess because I wanted you to address this this is from Thomas huffmaster we've said this on the pocket I live but that is the best name for a human every first of all great job of the podcast as always I've been listener since the begin of the weekly we remember you Thomas thanks for sticking around this whole time concerning google wallet do any of you know if you can tie a bank account to your google wallet rather than funding it with a debit or credit card I've been thinking if they were possible I could do away with my current debit card and use the google wallet on my phone along with a google wallet card funded by the same bank account what are your thoughts on that concept and do you think it would motivate more people to use google wallet best regards thomas health master Terrence lab you're not on this podcast Taylor Martin what do you think about that you absolutely can I want to double check that but uh that's I think how I have mine set up right now is I don't have a credit card on it actually have my bank account you can go through and set up different bank accounts but are not bank accounts but different payment methods or yeah that's what they call them payment methods but your wallet bount balance is basically tied to a bank so oh god yeah that's how it works and the way that I think the best the best way to say that the google wallet card works is you know use google wallet and if you don't have data or something goes wrong you've got your wallet in the wallet card but i think the best the best except it I guess use for it that I've heard is leave it in your car um like like just leaving your dash and if you tell me where you parked yes no but if you forget your wallet at home you've got your google wallet card mmm so yeah it mean it's really cool it's a good way to budget I think do you think it will donate more people to use Google Wallet do you think this is going to be like a part of the pitch I think it's still the very niche thing like I don't think a lot of people are gonna get a google wallet card um yeah I've got one I got one like it's me immediately it was like sign up and I got it like two days later but uh I haven't used it not once he has not used mine I activated it and then it's SAT there like I already have a bank account and I've for bank accounts like why do I need a google wallet card mmhmm yeah Adam actually did try to add something substantive there but his connection cut him off which was very fast God rolling you yeah i just added a second second dial up phone yeah oh thank you for being a good sport adam i want to ask you to chime in but we do on release Taylor here so um Taylor get out I'm kidding teller thank you for joining us as always if it's been a lovely time and I hope your review rebuttal goes smoothly yeah you might hate me after it but it's okay that's alright man we gotta disagree sometimes now you won't hate me I give you a I pay homage to you several times and and how right you are except for the display thank you sir and that's all I ask is a little homage to end my 2013 yeah boys say goodbye to Taylor later I will see you guys uh I don't know maybe the next podcast maybe not peace out Taylor but at some point okay yeah at least at least CES before then maybe yeah maybe not we'll see you'll be happy to know that I'm upgrading to HughesNet gen4 so well don't know what may be able to talk next time I don't know what any of that means did you say something it sounded like something cut you out Adam oh my I'm kidding I'm kidding it's not true is coming through clear as a bell good bye Taylor goodbye good day well Taylor retweet this Martin is gone and we still have news to cover so let's get back to Windows Phone listeners thank you for your indulgence and allowing us to take that little segue into Thomas huffed masters email thank you for the mail Thomas and sorry about the scheduling wonkiness of this of this one of our last shows for 2013 where are we gents I think was just sprinkle listener mail throughout the entire podcast room for the rest of the show yeah just no just just dump it or where let's just let's just throw it to throw caution to the wind to go for it and you gtalk crazy talk I might know if the icon comes out I think we're gonna talk a lot about it so I kind of want to move on to this possibly canceled tablet you want to tell us something about this student yeah so ever since or even maybe even before the 2520 came out we've been hearing about the possibility the smaller nokia tablet it just seems like it would it would inevitably get around sooner or later we didn't know quite when but now this is rumor that it's not gonna happen that nokia's executives have decided to cancel this thing and it's not really clear why but the site reporting is my Nokia blog seems to really rely on the source I don't name who it is but you get the impression that they're plugged in and have given reliable information in the past so why might nokia want to kill off at eight point three inch tablet it seems like it'd be a great you know way to fill out and sign up a little bit it does but i mean i have to wonder if this is a function of the fact that they're about to be acquired yeah yeah you know anodized work this wasn't far enough along in the roadmap for us to go to release on this and dump it on with the rest of the nokia world stuff so we'll make yourself you can take this if you want it which may be what's happening because we're also hearing not to get ahead of ourselves here but about it has surface mini that might be in the works and from what we're hearing about the features that it might have it sort of we heard in the past the Nokia might be developing a touchless control gesture based system that might end up premiering on the surface mini for Microsoft so Adam doubt you've had the first generation service for a little while surface and what do you think about this would you want to control a smaller version of it with gestures I want to go all minority report on you absolutely that would be cool I mean you know it's this is not dissimilar to what they've been doing with to what Microsoft has been doing with the with the Xbox the the thing the kinect thing yeah I you know they've been doing a gesture controls on that now that's coming from across room I don't know how well it's going to work with a device that's you know three feet in front of you or even sitting on your lap and I don't know how goofy you're gonna look on the train doing these gestures move here you know it's it's an interesting concept and you know it's kind of like it's kind of like the yola you know gestures it's like it is it can how intuitive is it gonna be how hard is it going to be to learn and and how useful are they actually going to be and is it going to be solely reliant on these gestures or is it going to be just something that you add on like not unlike the samsung air gesture Neil's so yeah this is a lot to be seen from it but I mean I think Microsoft is in a good position to do something like this based on their what they've done with the Kinect it's weird though how we really seen many RT tablets in this size range now do we see any tablet part will the dell venue was a venue 8 tablet was that is that an RT tablet that's pro no that was full yeah yeah yeah this is compro a ensures that our full when it windows 8 yeah lenovo has 12 right right can you tell we don't we don't get these in much um Wow all right ya know so i guess i guess we haven't I mean nokia with the 2520 is kind of the only company so far to have made me really compelled by NRT product and that's a function largely of the hardware to know what's great surprise but also the software i think has matured enough to be certainly acceptable to me I don't know about anybody else out there but it's interesting you mentioned the software because I can sort of get the feeling that this lack of 78 inch RT models might have something to do with you know this merger we've been hearing rumors for the longest time between RT and a windows phone or maybe Microsoft it doesn't know what software would be best for a device in this range yeah could be I I'm looking forward to hearing about an event you know I think we're we're overdue to hear to hear about some developments here that are that are major then aren't just kind of iterative I would love to see a 7 inch Windows Phone device of some sort I think that really has a lot of potential you know especially if they can combine some elements of RT maybe the horizontal scrolling you know from the home screen something like that but I would definitely love to see some type of 7 inch Windows Phone device almost there with the 1520 I mean have you have you played with the video I think Gillian I've you know a little bit in the cell phone store but not any real hands-on time I'm sorry actually I wanted to get that out to you but they needed it back rather promptly so I'm sorry we didn't get to have that out to you for your impressions but next time it's giant as you know i mean it's matt oh yeah I would not I wouldn't mind a 7-inch screen but if that chassis gets any bigger I think I'm not going to be able to to uh to endorse it and personally to my friends and family but the the 1520 is definitely as big as they come in terms of that so it was slightly down a little bit further down the line the 1020 still my preferred windows phone is finally getting the Lumia black update isn't that right ray yeah a don't have a 720 no Sam I'm quite excited about this I don't use digital negative files but an update to the nokia camera app is delivering that capability so you can shoot in raw if you're the kind of photographically inclined person who would buy a 1020 did you still have the 1021 you will absolutely yeah I use it whenever I can't whenever I'm not carrying a review device it's gonna be my holiday phone I think some commas and ever really curious to see some examples of what this these new DN keys look like so even if you're not gonna be doing that on a regular basis Mike you think about providing us some comparison shots no no no I'm not going to do that but actually there's a plan of foot for us to provide that in the hands of a much more capable photographer Adam Lane I suppose that would work yeah he's going to shoot some comparison shots I think back to back before and after the update so yeah we should be able to see just how much this improves things awesome so let's get enrolled out what do you think gentlemen is it time for us to transition to iOS news and then listener mail to close out the show me thanks the plan would let's see what iOS has to offer all right go ahead any gentleman who'd like to read that first one it's exciting let me be bashful it is the season for gift giving an apple as a side if you get things started a little bit early with its 12 days of gifts this is a program that it's run in the past unfortunately actually this is sort of kind of comeuppance we're in the US so used to getting everything available to us now you know google launches some new service we get it the rest of y'all have to wait who knows how long in this case though Apple's been doing this 12 days of gifts promotion for a couple years now it was in Europe it came to Canada a little while back and it's finally coming to the US and even though the actual stuff doesn't get started until I think the 26th so it's actually a post-christmas thing it already started early yet made a download from Lord available popular singer the moment so if you go to some but okay if you have a phone running iOS 7 or better you should download this 12 days of gifts app and keep poking away at it because these downloads whatever ends up coming is only available for the day that it's announced so you can't like roll in on January seventh and get all of these at once yeah when I first saw this headline i was thinking i always think it was something similar to what Microsoft was doing in their stores cuz they had like the two weeks of like you counted products like they have like only like three days and good ones though right well still but the the good days that they have a really good monsters yeah oh man I would I almost went to a microsoft store several times except i was gonna get fired well there's always next year yes waiting the city of google does a big thing i know last year I ended up buying a ton of apps they made available quite cheaply the one thing I saw Google today made the the classic will ferrell movie elf available for free download we had the place to learn only the standard def not the high death but that's free now and hopefully more stuff coming from google but this is what Apple's got for now nice what about the little piece of orphan mail our orphan news that got put into the iOS category because we needed to Pat it out a little I like this little bit of wearable news from from our friends at pebble this is big news isn't it it is yeah pebbles finally putting together a fishel App Store to download software that will run on your when your pebble right on your wrist there they've been really improving their sdk a couple times this year is a big release back in a spring another in the fall so adding new capabilities there been your third-party places you go to to get these apps but pebbles trying to make this nice and official everything on there is going to be free at least to start with so it's very very promising news is going to add a lot of functionality to an already very useful SmartWatch ya know because it's even for me who is willing to go to like off-site locations on the internet to go find watch faces and stuff and all that kind of stuff like it's like the convenience of having a non device App Store is indeed not be matched in my view it has a lot of credibility to the device as well oh true Absalom you know so now you don't have to you know sideload we're going back to that term you don't have to sideload any of these apps or watch faces onto onto the pebble so it definitely adds a lot of you know credibility to to the device and hey we're legit now we got some apps right right right right there's a commenter who says or we could wait for the neptune pine LOL which reminds me i should say that there's a whole lot of watches out there that i imagine we can see a lot of them at CES that are sort of promised there in kickstarter phase there in indy gogo phase some of them are produced and there's just there's a lot of vapor where's not the right term because they actually haven't come they they haven't failed to deliver yet but there's a lot of like prospective devices out there the guys from hot watch are tired of me bothering them every month like it's gotten to the point where like the initially friendly email responses are now down to one line and you know one every other other email so whatever you're Michael not yet yeah so be available later so anyway I just wanted to make the point that we are still doing what we can to get our hands on new wearables and I hope to see some at CES I think it I think CES is going to be full of that kind of news for at least a part of one per day how many google glasses do you expect to see on people just going around four per hour yeah at least yeah maybe i'll get my face on one who knows moving on to I think we have to kind of wrap up we're at the time where we usually and and we have two more pieces three more pieces of listener mail to go we can't skip it because we skipped it last week and because this is some pretty cool stuff in here so let's move on to listener mail Adam why don't you kick us off with the first piece of mail here ok so this mail comes to us from men gyan i hope i pronounced as i don't know i think it's min new yen i do have a market and i got that wrong every single time you see I don't even ask people what their names are I just ask them to spell it because I don't even want to guess anymore so this moment ago it's my hair ok so ask do you think that the HTC finance program is a step to get away from the carrier IDK it's just I don't know it's just a thought popped into my head and I wonder if you guys feel the same way if you read this thank you you're welcome I love your work thank you and keep it up we try we will try indeed Thank You Man yes um I actually found this I actually found this finance program to be very very intriguing a little bit yeah I don't know a little bit short-sighted so as a refresher ask me HTC launched this financing program which we talked about in a previous episode where you can basically pay for an HTC One overtime with no interest so that's what I'm talking about here yeah what you found it short-sighted Adam yeah i thought well i find it yet to be very short-sighted because it's your pain for the phone over two years if i remember correctly right yeah we talked a little about that you can an appeals the short-sighted consumers dead that's that's what I mean um yeah I just I don't you know it says people hey I can get an HTC One for 25 bucks okay yeah and you're gonna be stuck with that for quite some time now but I suppose that's similar to what's going on with the current carrier subsidization plus if you take this finance program and you combine it with a TNT's current offer of i think it's like what fifteen dollars off a month of your not on contract if you call them and ask them for it uh-huh you know now you're getting now you're getting an HTC one for ten dollars a month kinda sorta so maybe that's not such a bad deal after all because it wouldn't be for subsidized to the carrier it be subsidized to the to the OEM yep like Dudley that big a lot of sense Wow I'm not saying it makes any more sense but it loses cheaper I mean I don't think this is a move directly like I don't think this is HTC like saying well we're done with the subsidy model and we're going to go do our own thing like I think the proposition is not compelling enough for this to make any real dent in anything I think this is a way for them to experiment with very low stakes in a new model I think it's very cool I just don't think the adoption rate is going to be terribly high so while to answer listeners question I I think that this is not a way for them to get away from carriers I think they're just trying something out to see what happens and the data they use from this may be used to either end this or build out this program in the future who knows I think would also be intriguing to see what would happen if they were to offer this finance program on the next device not last year's device well and they may well do that I mean that you know you don't want to do that blind I mean not a lot of OEMs do this period so you know this could be the trial run prior to them saying hey guess what that financing thing we intrude on the one now it's available for the two hey oh I just wonder I wonder how many people I haven't problem where they can get over the psychological impact of well I'm going to pay six hundred dollars for a smartphone yet don't have six hundred dollars lining around I think it's looking for a very specific type of customer I don't know maybe specific but I think it's a wide I think it's a customer who is in ample supply because I can very easily access the part of my brain that like a knows he doesn't have six hundred dollars just sitting around but I feel like those customers are going to be swayed by the subsidies that they're gonna find comfort in that yeah possibly sure but but even the subsidized price is still like 99 or even 199 depending on the carrier and it's like what you're telling me that it cuz it's zero down right look because you're telling me I could just pay 25 bucks a month and yeah I could have a new phone my god yeah and then I'm now I'm gonna go out to chili's with all that money I saved and for my date as this is this particular finance program is this us only or is this worldwide I assume us only these things all these are well I'm just wondering because I mean if it is worldwide you know subsidisation is pretty much I'm it's largely a us-based concern you know if you live yeah you know if you live in europe or whatever you are dropping six hundred dollars for a phone at the store so I mean this could be a way to appeal to those consumers as well yeah let's just toss one financing when you can apply at 18 tease webs or HTC to website it's just any different than tossing down a credit card to buy the phone no it's like you got a best buy you get the card yet percent per year oh there you go % that's that's the deal thing yeah but I mean just as speaking to stevens point about you know if you don't have 600 hours laying around yeah you can't afford it if you if you have six hundred dollars left on your credit card and you could pay $25 month that way lord knows I've been living like that for quite some time yeah I I don't see a u.s. qualify requirement here so yeah so I mean this could be a way to appeal to the worldwide consumer as well it's a good question we don't have the we don't really have a very specific answer but I think we've speculated plenty shall we move on to the next one indeed yes this one is from Ricky Paul and I love this question in the last 30 years of by the way i want to mention Ricky Paul thank you for writing in Ricky's piece of mail was long enough to like if you rolled it out onto the asphalt like a plane could take off I'm a feeling this is a segment of a larger piece here definitely is i'm sorry Ricky thank you for writing in we just don't have time as you can tell we always go over time this podcast is very long we just don't have the time for all your points but your number two point was my favorite one so in the last 30 years Ricky Paul says man has witnessed the mobile phone drastically decrease in size but now all of a sudden they're growing again do you think there's ever going to be any market for smaller handsets at all I like every in two months I just somebody else asked this question and I'm like god I hope so yeah Apple seems to think so absolutely but even like the iphone 5c feels like a miniature phone when I pick it up nowadays yes but yeah it's apples not getting any smaller I'm exactly exactly yeah but not not not with the pace that everybody else is no but I don't think we're gonna have a return to old form here yeah exactly i don't see a future every pic see right now god right right right right like i don't know about you guys but I'm looking forward to 2020 when people are walking around bag phones again so that's I'm a little scared of that of one of these futures where it's like yes if things get miniaturized to the point where if we want to carry a carry on a voice conversation we can put on a special earring like an oversized earring like in Elysium because then I feel like devices get really boring it's just like here's that thing I have to put on it's like a wristwatch that you can only you know customize so far and then the device you carry for data consumption is a tablet that's may be flexible that's that you can roll up I don't know what it is but I just don't stephen i agree with you i don't see us returning to a time where like smartphones small tiny phones are in vogue again in that said because they could be really functional now I really couple weeks back about what if Samsung put the s pen on a tiny little like four inch or three point five incher the big problem with these phones at least for me is that it's harder to interact with the touchscreen but a stylist on problem solved well true well then you're back in the world of the HTC touch again like to know what I does looking you know what I'd almost like to see is is a point where smartphones just become more of a series of peripherals that work around a central hub of a device and maybe that could get smaller you know like you mentioned with the with the earrings and then you have the goggles that can go with the earrings and then you instead of some type of watch display and then you just have this this you know sort of like a thin brick that you slide into your pocket that is feeding all these various personal hotspot ever information yeah because Wi-Fi or blue transferware like a more like a data aggregator if nothing else you know just something you know that basically serves is like the in these the central hub to all these other devices that are all working together I think your hub would be on your watch I think that's the thing i think a hub would not need to be carried separately that enough he used to your spinal cord there you go yeah it is embedded in your thigh meat yes i think that like the this idea is really cool and it could result in a very small phone being cool again but I don't you know we're never going to see the day of the razor again or more appropriately for what we're talking about with smartphones something like the palm that I 500 remember the folding palm device I was going to say the vir sure the vir oh yeah of course we've got tons of those here thanks to you and s load of them yes if you will one of them with Android on but I wish you know there's a good point at him and I wouldn't have thought of that but man ricky paull i think that i think you and i probably have similar dreams sometimes because i think back to buying the Veer on release day at an AT&T store and just remarking at the tiny size of it when it came out of the box and continuing over the next three or four months to remark it how tiny it was how much I would forget it was there in my pocket sometimes and and yet how functional it remained doesn't get that well weren't exactly right exactly so you know I I wish and I hope that someday that large phones aren't the aren't Archer requirement for high-end phones and we'll just see your Bush I think the like mini phones get more powerful last year you have it's like the mini versions of phones maybe that's true that's true we've stopped making as much fun of them like yeah I guess we'll see in the meantime we'll just keep writing editorials advocating it indeed advocating for it who wants to wrap up the listener mail so I thank you recap all for your email I haven't read one yet all right steven is gonna be the one I think it's from Anthony yeah Anthony Nardiello I love this one this is great this is the the perfect one to serve as the last mail cause it's a holiday question yes yes let's hit it Anthony says hello pocketnow team I am a huge fan of all your work and hope you guys keep up the good work I do have a question though as you know it's the Christmas season and when asked what I wanted I replied the 2013 edition Nexus 7 good choice my dad is not the biggest fan of tech and tried to tell me that I already have something like this in my ipod touch 4th gen I tried to tell Nexus 7 is completely different than my ipod but he won't listen and he wants to know what would be the best way to tell him the difference in this please keep in mind he doesn't care about specs no do I wants to know how to convince us outta convinces dad that these are not the same thing I know haven't we all had this like can you all remember back to when you were a kid and like your parents just didn't understand that thing whether you were trying to get a gift or trying to like do something and your parents like no I say you already have something just like this you want the Pokemon you get the Digimon with ya yes sooner yes perspective last week s for Star Trek DVDs then you get the Star Wars collection or sitting in back panel actually oh that's a horrible statement nightmare no well so I do you guys have an idea of like I feel like the answer to this lies in an analogy like how do you translate this into something that your dad will understand who's your daddy engines in anchor it's yes I can see if this is a problem what he doesn't get how the Nexus 7 is different from the ipad mini but this is apples and android on ranges wait literally no I mean it's just it's it's a tablet it's not an iPod I dad I'm sorry you're wrong yeah he kind of have TVs in the houses that are different sizes point2 you know the third signature in the kitchen and the 60 ensure in the living room and see do you see the difference here right but those TVs just sit there and they serve the same function whereas the ipod touch and that in the nexus 7 you rented you can do many of the same things on each one but they also they're very very different and they provide a very different user experience for a variety of reasons and i feel like this is much more like saying that that a bicycle is equivalent to a pickup truck because each one gets you from A to B right right yeah no it's done even just by me the tablet clown yeah that'll did that'll do it at him yeah totally um nice work it's good point out how old it is i mean the 4th gen ipod touch dates back to what 2010 point out how a 2010 car is not as nice as a 2014 model in a car though like it's like a 24 2010 car is not as is not going to serve my purposes as much as a 2014 you know what did dodge ram you know it's it's such a gulf in capabilities in every measurable sense it is better if you want to use a tablet to use a tablet instead of using something as a tablet it's also it's it's like you know vcr versus DVD player you know it's I mean I wouldn't say sure I wouldn't say the ipod touch is necessarily a VCR equivalent of technology but still it's just it's it's old it's outdated and okay Anthony look I'm gonna I'm gonna do you a favor here just listen pay attention very closely I'm scared already I want you to take your ipod your ipod touch 4th generation and the next time you have to next time you have to go to the bathroom want you to take that with you and I want you to oops accidentally knock it into the sink dad now I don't have anything get me the tablet this could backfire really easily this is the worst at my side ever heard Anthony I don't listen to adam he's never gonna be on the podcast again there's no has liability actually at having dropped a phone into the toilet once i can tell you you don't want to do it at all but that's why I stopped it in the sink at least I am I ain't edit in that for you know so Anthony I really think the the answer lies in first of all I mean if you can you're probably gonna want to do this yourself because i'm not i'm not sure if you're gonna be able to convince your dad here but find out what analogy makes sense to your dad the car one is really lazy it's the first one that came to my mind but there's a better there's a better analogy out there and just say hey listen you know old and busted versus new hotness exactly that's basically but it but it's not it's not buzz it's not old and new it's not that they're different product categories and the key lies in making your data understand that it's not that like what i have is old and boring it's like what I have doesn't serve the needs that this other thing does and if all that fails man just gather up the best google nexus 7 commercials and show them to your dad because tell me want to read books on it you could go yeah i can use i want to study with it there isn't a google educate your thing down just another ask dad for a google play gift card there's that too there's that there you go there's that or you know yeah cash yeah does that my best friends call me cash okay we've all been there and we've we've we've been in that situation and at some point fortunately you you get to a point where you don't have to you can you can provide these things for yourself but until then we wish you all the all the luck in the world trying to convince your father and let us know how it goes please write back in and we'll we'll share that news with our listeners and listeners if you have advice for Anthony please you can't do any worse than we three did leave your advice for Anthony on in the comments of this podcast and Anthony thank you for writing in and we hope you have a wonderful holiday season as well guys is it about time for us to extend all those our wishes similar wishes to all of our listeners I think it is because my brain stopped making sentences correctly and what they do to pass time hey want to just move on and get just go right through the two-hour mark let's do that do like casino come on all right I think it's time for us to go gentlemen I I hope that you have had a nice time on the show I certainly have loved having you here I Adam Jesus Adam not Taylor that's Taylor is gone Adam it will be very very sad not to have you on the air for a while but I'm very glad that it's for a good reason it's because you have a day job so congratulations very true and you know that's why God gave us lunch breaks so we'll see fan you got a podcast from your car at some point that's right all right let's Stephen thank you for being here as well always a pleasure and that is going to do it for this episode of the weekly be sure to find us on Twitter unbelievably Stephen shank actually tweeted this week he is at Stephen shank ste Phe NSC henc k Casper Tech is Taylor's handle cas ber Tek Adam can be found at dead technology and I am as always at captain two phones you can follow pocket now officially at pocket now on 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