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profound juxtaposition in the mobile space this week as Apple can't make enough iPhones to meet demand while blackberry can't keep its head above water long enough to sell existing stock microsoft announces its second round of surface products while it soon to be acquired hardware maker Nokia prepares its own windows tablet probably and the horrible horrible marriage of HTC and beets finally mercifully dissolves all that plus iOS 7 making people vomit in the 90 minutes ahead on episode 06 3 of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week audio podcast from pocket now where we discuss smartphones tablets and the state of mobile technology in 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and today I'm joined by concert car and some time phone enthusiasts senior editor Taylor Martin good morning to you paddock and by the American half of pocket now is 24 hour news team the man who'd still carry a StarTAC if he could Steven shank hey man oh boy how you doing no no no too bad as i was telling Steven just off the air right before the show started he is uh he's had a hell of a Newsweek this week so we're looking forward to hearing a rehash of the week's events straight from the horse's mouth at least half of the horse's mouth and Honda know gia has a birthday coming up and is is off is going to have a day off soon so if the site doesn't fall apart we'll still be here next week just to make an announcement before we start the show from our Twitter fans yes pocketnow reader Jeff kabuli against all odds we did start recording the show on time and listeners we regret to inform you that we will need to skip listener mail today because why Taylor Martin uh I forgot you know why it's the same answer is mine and you and I are in the same boat today cuz we're too busy we're too busy for you people right but that's that's the general answer right right we're each doing he has a lot of the comparisons in the pipeline yeah there you go yeah what are you comparing today I am comparing iOS 7 with Windows Phone 8 oh you're doing another OS comparison that's a sequel to the iOS versus Android comparison you know which went live on the site just a few hours ago excellent so that's up it's not in the rundown because you should watch the video if you want to see how those platforms compare I think we're gonna be tearing Michael I'm going to be comparing this my note to one of my favorite devices of all time with this monster beast that doesn't resemble it at all sitting next to me the note 3 so that's going to be interesting it's amazing guys how a millimeter or two can change and devices feel in the hand because this thing feels so much bigger than the note 2 I really yeah and I don't know how I feel about that and somehow it's smaller i know but i think it's dimensionally i think its wider like comparatively speaking it's is it smaller in every dimension yeah it can there's no total I remember saying that a teef I remember saying something like that idea and I'm like now I must have been high and drunk because this thing is it Samsung still avoiding metal because it's working on these Lovecraftian four dimensional plastics that file size and design but yeah well that's what that's what I assume okay it is narrower x over 1 millimeter it's narrower in the in the beam dimension like I mean left to right as you're looking at the device yes that's its color frigging possible the beam gets possible yeah like you know i like talking about ships sometimes I call the phones the phones casing the hull which is a community board of a starboard edge USB port down at the keel is ranked by hours standby button on the sundeck go ahead Taylor so it's 150 one point two millimeters tall and the note 2 is 150 1.1 so it's point 1 millimeters taller and image is it's but it's a millimeter narrower it's 79.2 millimeters wide in the note 2 was 80.5 so its 1.3 million our idea what Samsung is it has done here to defy physics or maybe maybe I should just get out of the business and ghost farm or something because this thing an idio awkward compared to the note 2 and it's a millimeter thinner too so it's not as thick I know a center yeah yes dinner it's never get confused the note 2 and node 3 it's lighter I think maybe because it's less rounded that definitely plays a partner they mean this thing looks like it exploded galaxy s2 it's that scary because the the xperia z ultra wasn't it wasn't just that it was so big the fact that it was like a textbook completely square in every dimension was was made it feel a lot bigger yeah well let's we're going to get into the note 3 in a bit and we'll we'll pick up this thread again right now I want to talk about the the news the more recent news of the of the day kicking off maybe one of our last podcasts probably one of our last podcasts with the blackberry topic this depresses me because I was thinking about this as I was putting the show together listeners if you haven't caught up on the news blackberry has been sold or is agreed to be sold to a capital firm called Fairfax what is it fair financial holdings fairfax financial for 4.7 billion dollars which and and it will it is currently winding down its relationship with its hardware maker or at least that's what that's what the hardware maker said what was the name of that maker that's not on the links here do you guys remember who makes blackberries hardware that starts with that j yeah anyway we'll look at on yes but at unix / buying all the phones e this is um yeah there's just just news all over the freakin all over the internet about blackberries I hope you said this depressed you yeah this depressed me I cried when I made that video yeah so we really have jbeil circuit incorporated here there you go thank you how do you pronounce it jbeil yes Jha a PIL circuit incorporated yes oh well wait a minute hmm but is that that's trading under the this ok I've got confused because I've got that JBL powerup doc and I was like this is JBL does Jamie well it trails under car symbol yeah all right anyway sorry we are already derailed I apologize but the point is that blackberry is not in a good state right now and the reason I was sad about it Taylor I want you to talk about in a second but we only established the blackberry category at pocket now no less than a year ago prior to January we didn't really cover blackberry at all I mean there was like the occasional random video from two or three years ago was like the storm or whatever but we didn't have a particular coverage plan for it and after my visit to Toronto to see the z10 unveil I was like oh we should have a blackberry category so that's then it started owner it was nice and has this like purple color and that's cool and unfortunately it looks like there's not going to be much to report on because we don't cover enterprise stuff which is all blackberry looks to be doing and once this investment closes right yep last week on the podcast actually right before blackberry announced the big news I said blackberry should pull out of the consumer market and focus on enterprise and four hours after the podcast that's what they announced so right isn't this exactly that remember that leeched plan from last year Google wanted to buy the company yeah then they had this idea of you know going all out with the enterprise stuff even meet up going android is like just an activist investor that was that was proposing that or who was proposing that yeah yeah cast out it was it was an investor okay yes he was basically saying gather yeah he was basically saying blackberry should kind of pull an IBM all right so it would still make some hardware the news yeah and you're right Taylor we did start with the bad news last week but the new news the new bad news is that the company has taken some really really rough hits in the financials it's written down almost a billion dollars worth of unsold z10 hardware which man that's fed though that is a very big over estimate place are we now going to call that the only a service is that going to be the terms yeah it's basically that right and also somebody on Twitter was saying like can somebody say z10 to fire sale and I haven't heard the term fire sale bandied about in a little while and it reminds me of the the pre three and touchpad stuff the uh yeah yeah it was an EPA I got it I got a touchpad it was a riginal II almost think of 650 and I got it 420 books yeah I know what you mean i got my much 6 50 but then i went back to best buy two weeks later and they were actually doing after the after sale refunds but the point is i think we are going to see and meanwhile t-mobile USA is taking blackberry off it's keeping them on the shelves in the retail stores but it's no longer stocking them i think if i read that release properly so i don't know what sense that makes but okay however well David Simon no one walks into the store and just buy stuff these are business people buying them they get set up through you know some account they're okay they're all order have them at the retail store for people to try out but if they want to order a note I don't think they're going to even have them in the store p rio david barron said this weeks ago maybe mate it was old news but he said that t-mobile is stopping blackberry cells several weeks ago okay so that's what he said on twitter at least so yes that's the TmoNews guy there's a 930 four million dollars of unsold z tens and there's a what is a nine dollar share agreement but what was the their total revenue is also down significantly and i was looking for that revenue fell 45% according to Reuters to 1.6 billion from a year earlier the other guy think we saw has been these the 4500 firings that were rumored last week finally confirmed I just think it's funny some of these blackberry enthusiast sites are trying to paint this as possibly good news because there's some headline that was going around for Apple back in like 1997-98 where it's no Apple has to trim the fat to move forward and they were you know just likes like very firing thousands of people and sure Apple's turn itself around remarkably since then but if they think that same things gonna happen to blackberry either they know something we don't know or just a little diluted I don't know well that's one of the hazards of being an enthusiast site right too I love enthusiast sites you know we are distinct from them in that we are not based around a platform or a family of platforms but I used to hang around the webos nation forms a lot night absolutely loved it over there but it the same thing what happened like horrible news would get released and people really know this is good there's a precedent for this remember how Commodore turned itself around yeah no no i don't but uh the the biggest news are not really news but i guess the biggest surprise looking back was how much blackberry has dropped because you know we say that they've dropped but you don't really get that effect you don't get the full feeling because the company was just so massive before many of us really got into the industry um because they were the top US smartphone market share holder for several years yeah tom and then we're duking it out for a while yeah okay they were enormous and they were second worldwide by a wide margin over iOS even in 2008 2007 the company was valued at over a hundred billion dollars Wow hundred billion dollars and they're getting purchased or there's a deal uh somebody throws in a bet for 4.7 billion well that is behind numbing and it's not that the companies only worked four point seven billion now if it didn't have patents it would go for much less right now the patents alone or valued at almost five million dollars there's a so yeah I want to mention there's an autumn idea I mean five billion I'm sorry those yeah I loved I sometimes look like looking into the recent past to see who was right about things because uh we should mention all things D was totally right about this back in july twenty third when they reported it basically asking the question why is fairfax financial buying up so many steaks of blackberry in blackberry rather and this as i as i said this was back in july it had just completed a bunch of purchases it had doubled at stake from five point twelve percent to ten percent back in july and I love the double-talk that comes out of the company here though they when all things D is asking them or whoever the interviewer was is asking them about the purchase they're saying we've never seen a technology company with assets and talent of this caliber come down as cheap as the stock of this one has there's a worldwide following significant capital tremendous talent and the singular focus on innovation which you know we're talking about BlackBerry's so LOL is it one of the Fairfax people that weren't they on the blackberry board I think so yeah I heard something about that they had to step down prior to these deals going with Reuben oh maybe they were trying to write get the company to pick up stock when it was she perfects I was rims fourth largest shareholder okay and then they became the largest one before submitting a bid to buy them but a point taken says all things D and I love this club still a cynic might look at watsa's decision to double down on remand wonder if he's not positioning Fairfax to make a quick buck on a potential takeover of the company and of course Fairfax denied that when any company gets this cheap it could be taken over but we believe this is a great canadian company with a tremendous future mmm well we'll see more more power to him or them and uh good luck yeah so I mean it's been a downward spiral for five years it's not to say it can't turn around but it's it's pretty bleak yeah and I think that go ahead the patent portfolio is actually two to three billion dollars so the company itself is really only for 1.7 that's the bid for the company roughly I mean if you take this at face value so i'm holding a cute n right now and I'm struck by how much I still really like this device and somebody on Twitter recommended that a bunch of us fire up some old blackberries and start using them for a while which I thought was a pretty cool idea I would use the 8330 if it wasn't Alto well and that's uh that's what I was going to ask you about so I love this cute n I want to I'm gonna propose a piece on the on the q10 a little later because this blackberry news is not going to stop unfortunately though it's morbid and it's really sad obviously this blackberry juice is going to keep pouring out until eventually it stops and we're gonna keep covering it so I'm gonna do a piece like you tender yeah Taylor Martin had a nice little throwback piece his first i believe is not right it is yeah it took me forever it's so long yeah when Taylor first submitted his script to me Stephen it was like 17 pages long and look at the life history of him hey that wasn't a very emotional piece for me I started in this industry with running a blackberry website so that's right I yeah I ran on phone dogs blackberry site which was bberry dog and that was the managing editor for a little while and then I started writing about everything because I realized that it was not so this is like a losing a child almost to you yeah yeah yeah the littlest is that is this Taylor's webos moment yeah I guess well back in two thousand eight I realized that blackberry was in a bad spot back in so I jumped ship on the blackberry site and said I'm done here and started writing about everything so I saw this I didn't see you know it's not to say I predicted the future but I saw that it was a downward trend and jumped so so you did that you did the 8330 throw back though and did it bring back some nice memories for you have you been oh yeah all my old apps and games and themes that I built everything was for a breaker yeah friend visiting meteor crush her that game I played it so much in high school like just sitting in class yeah paying attention I was sitting in a coffee shop the other night and there was a couple i assume on a first date nearby and for some reason as you know all good first dates do the conversation got around to smartphones at one point these people they could not remember if BlackBerry's even had apps in the first place oh yeah that was a big I remember blackberry blackberry app world was released in what 2009 april first 2009 a joke and I remember like like three months later one of my friends who had to had a blackberry curve 33 8330 actually was like yeah how do I get how do I get this this app on on here and I don't know what it was like some kind of instant messaging at it was like oh you just go to a blackberry app world she's like what what I look at her curve and she doesn't even have blackberry app world installed and yeah wasn't this total mind I couldn't get it because one it was on alltel into it it doesn't have Wi-Fi so it was just kind of right I couldn't do anything with it yeah well anyway listeners you should check out that 8330 throwback it's a cool video I enjoyed going down that on that track down memory lane with you Taylor I hope that you found some you know hope that you found some closure at least in the process of making it yeah and I enjoyed it it did it brought back a bunch of fond fond memories of when blackberry was in a much better place yeah well if you want to share your own nostalgic feelings about multicolored track balls and you know battery poles come on over to that video there but I think we should turn the corner and talk about the other side of the mobile industry the one that is enjoying a lot of success right now iOS and has been enjoying quite a lot of success for a while our iphone 5s review is coming very shortly Brandon minimum is working on that I think that's going to go up today but the iphone 5c review is already up and if you would like to let me know how much of an apple fanboy am for scoring at higher than the LG g2 please go right ahead and hopped on down to the comments of that review get such a fanboy thanks i went to the apple store yesterday to get my um to get my case my ex back cover that's what a fanboy would do and you know it go right the apple store and difficult right I'm just such a jerk and I so is there any reason I've gotta run there is there any reason you have hung on the back of your phone hon because you're able tomore fan little be the big hey you like are you are you using a German slur at me hun the case on the back of the iphone 5 seat a little rounding out that just shows a Jay King fun of it oh I didn't know that they were saying Who am L signed that they were saying whoever designed that Steve Jobs would have fired immediately yeah you know that's it's funny because I can't complain about that all I want to do all day is go on Twitter and Lissa cost the people who insist on using that boring old argument that Steve Jobs would be rolling his grave like I bet there are four hundred and forty thousand instances of that one phrase on the internet just from this month like it's really really annoying and somebody else pop down and beat me to it was like I just want to remind everyone that during Steve Jobs tenure at Apple we got the piece of software that is itunes and i think this is a total train wreck of p of softwares yes it is sold on itunes so i love it i love how it's just a sport yes yes it's matt sick that's that's just the image that's not the actual install just image but it no like I'm just sitting here typing and doing that thing and then itunes pops up no I did not open you itunes go away so I closed it out and then I'm typing typing typing and it pops up again and ask me for my passport no stop go away like I hate it so much well itunes us like your mother living in the apartment below you yeah with a broom handle on it boom boom boom boom turn that down yes or a desire yeah okay so I've interrupted you know I don't hate itunes nearly as much as I as I like the iphone 5c that sentence doesn't make any sense but the point is i like the iphone 5c a bit more than I thought and you know what's funny I've been having this conversation about about the 5 c's place in the market and stuff like that and you know really ultimately is it an iphone 5 in a plastic case yeah with very few exceptions but even even so that fact does not diminish the does not detract from the additional fact that it is an outstanding smartphone that has aged way better than almost any Android device range Android device I can't imagine taking a droid incredible 4G LTE from last year and putting it in a different case and expend experiencing the kind of responsiveness that I do on the iphone 5c I mean having the gall to sell it as a brand new phone and not completely look like an idiot and doing that oh yeah I don't know and I called him out for that in the review to it was like listen this doesn't even put it as a con it was like this doesn't justify a new model number but that being said it's um it's a really really solid experience that phone delivers especially the new software which I just adore I would never carry it personally and I wrote an editorial to that effect because it's not for me but man they're going to sell so many of them the 5c what I'm trying to say before is not selling nearly as quickly as the 5s which we're going to get to in a second but the 5c is uh is available everywhere and I was talking to the apple rep at the store when I was getting my case was like so another thought you don't have any 5 s's but is the 5c like moving and she's like yeah I've seen I've seen some people around here with them and you know people come in they ask for the 5s and then they we don't have them and some of them will buy the 5c I sold like a dozen yesterday like wow what's yeah hi I would like a new car instead I'm gonna buy this used car because I don't have any more new box well if the huge color comes and it comes in different colors and you know if you're just salivating to buy something I've totally done that I've gone to the store like when I was a kid I used to go to the store and if they didn't have like the Star Trek toy I wanted but they had another one even if I already owned the toy I just when I needed to go home with something so there's a strange buying behavior at work but the 5s shortage is very real isn't that Steven so they say I mean it took I think minutes of the phone going up for order last week before they are pushing back a launch date to october i think it's still october at least it was as a yesterday but it's got to be pushing towards the end of them look at this point which is expert oh it was just a goal at first now it's worth all the colors and you know this happens with every apple launched and a lot of commenters have written words to that effect like yes they always sell out and that's always a big buzz worthy moment for them so they can leverage that look at you know look at this amazing demand but when i was in the apple store yesterday i was playing with a 5s and i was using the fingerprint scanner demo which very intelligently on every screen it says your fingerprint will not be saved so you're not afraid to play with it and i hope it's true because i use that thing about 45 times and it was really really cool but is the fingerprint sensor the reason for these delays or is it a contributing factor because we reported on that I think like a week ago that the finger they couldn't make the fingerprint sensor fast enough whatever supplier is providing this to Apple so do we know if that's if that's the the the crunch factor here that's part of it but I think another issue is that Apple misinterpreted the user demand especially with the gold model because there's no reason why the gold should be in a fewer it should be less of them going around on the other colors and besides apple chose to do it that way or if there's some you no problem with the the treatment process to get the metal that color but that should be unrelated to any fingerprints you I think I think this is a feat for Apple though because when they released an a white iphone it took them oh my god it was just gonna say took him forever to get don't understand colors yeah well they couldn't get it to match there's white white and white white white and we're getting the ladder and not the former but they didn't know could make it lunch with the accessories right was that what it was it couldn't Lou was not drying white it was drying yellow and it wouldn't turn like the glue was supposed to dry yellow and then turn white and it wasn't curing correctly and it was drying yellow and staying yellow so I could believe that they would have a similar plating problem with the with the gold on this new thing you know as when is gold gold we need gold why is this champagne yeah exactly isham pagina yeah this space gray is a little more like outer space grant that's basically look very good by the way I held yeah I love them I love the contrast to the black with the dark grey I think that's the sharpest color scheme ever yeah you like it better than the black 5 de blah oh yeah I don't like the black 5 I mean it's it's not like you whoa no it's it's it's tough to photograph especially when there's another phone in the frame like the black just washes out into this is that that's users big problem with their phones I just came out my phone no it's my problem when you asked my opinion no and also in real life it's it's I don't like it you yeah Taylor I know you and I disagree here cuz you like all black phones I find them so dull I really like matte black everything yeah you're gonna spray paint your car with some krylon soon yeah well i hope that not a lot of people are waiting for the 5s because that would that would be a long time I would be annoyed if but then again I wouldn't have any standing to be annoyed if I hadn't pre-ordered one if you really wanted the 5s you stayed up until 3am or no you couldn't pre-order it you so you know if you really wanted the 5s you waited in line at four in the morning and if you didn't do that then you didn't ipad enough yeah I don't understand why there was no not reorder this year that makes no sense they must have known that there was gonna be this issue yeah something I mean I don't know it just doesn't make any sense he guess would have frustrated a different quality of customer the ones who get in early are gonna get their phones and then yeah pre-order shows about five minutes Yeah right well I don't know I hope it's resolved soon some people get their hardware one other thing that's maybe a little bit more difficult to resolve is a hilarious I'm story because i'm not one of the affected parties I guess if I worry i guess i would find it less funny iOS 7 is legit making people barf is that correct Steven so they say there's this the red going back having a week or so now about people who know if they first started downloading iOS 7 I assume that their problems would be I don't know how to do anything now I don't recognize you know what I'm supposed to do here but instead it's these the transitions the zooms the animations that are giving people who have a tendency to motion sickness giving them a little bit of nausea and they're getting really be upset about this they can do you can like tone down some of the motion stuff like that parallax effect but you just you can't turn it all off and especially because this kind of like random that was not going to look the same if you are you know opening a folder on different parts of the screen its people say that they their brain can't predict what's gonna happen so it's greater disorientating effect that it really upset about this craziest thing I've ever heard I mean I've heard of 3g if god I've heard of 3d phone screen yeah people like I've all problems and headaches and stuff and that makes a little sense to me but like this like what my brain can't process two functions heaven and it wants and it makes me sick and I get it like I you know my initial impulse is to is to land because this is an absurd story but it is look all right if you get card if you get very easily sick then I understand how this could happen right but I don't know what were we going to say saving them I remember playing like old-school first-person doom like games and it got you a point in like the mid 90s where the games were simple enough the computer hardware was improving fast enough that the frame way frame rates are really really high so you said the smooth you're gonna like streaming through these tunnels especially the games that had that sort of walking bounce effect to them I would get a little you know sick to my stomach after dark force it's 20 minutes of that I wouldn't know what's going on right right so I get it I get how that can translate to you know parallax stuff and folder opens and closes I guess but I don't know I I'm trying to retain my ability to have a thick see here I just I cannot get the picture out of my head or somebody like using if an iphone and it's just suddenly like a column of vomit erupts from their mouth this is a go it's like a south parker or family guys yeah um Mia Farrow's Mia Farrow just tweeted you will regret switching to iOS 7 really initial target issue issue sharing vomit stories as well known but yeah there's a lot of back and forth over it and and I definitively I never would have said this before iOS 7 but I definitively said that in the comparison yesterday I said that Android actually looks better and it's because it's it's more neutral it's not overbearing this can be overbearing the colors and the animations and everything can be an overbearing so now the question should Apple let people down grade 26 that seems to be what they want to happen an apple so far has been towing the line that's we're not making exceptions for y'all but yeah it seems to be something that would remedy this well what doesn't make sense to me is why they can't just make it like a theme hey revert using this yeah no no no no no because that's what what would happen if what would happen a facebook cowed to the legions of people demanding that they go back to the old version of Facebook generation after generation can you imagine having to support like the equivalent of Facebook 20 in 2013 I mean there would be they'll be crazy oh yeah I was second people have to get used to it people have to accept the change unless they're vomiting and in which case they should probably switch to Android but like everyone else needs to just suck it up and understand that this is the new iOS and if you don't like it then go to another platform right well I can totally nokia doing ads like Windows Phone you're not going to bar let's make a commercial let's all get together and shoot this commercial this weekend that sounds like fun so I don't know let's let's just accept that technology marches forward and you should stay with it or there are alternatives if you don't want to I don't see a lot of people jumping ship from iOS because of this I even asked my normal friends and I'm like do you like it and they're like yeah yeah I like it it's it's it's cooler it feels like I have a new phone yeah I agree there's been kind of a I don't know a great divide between all my friends and family some of them like it some of them don't but the thing is like I said this on the last podcast and somebody told me I was wrong but I know where he yeah yeah but he'd go figure somebody tweeted me and they were like you're wrong but uh what I said was people don't like change until they get used to the change and then they like it that that's generally what happens people don't like change because of change and then they get used to something it changes they're like I they have this big freak out moment and then they get over it yeah so yeah this that's probably what'll happen here but I think honestly why not just support the old icons in the old interface I mean not old interface it's the same interface it just looks different look at all the colors because every iphone that people see on the street then and they I mean I know there aren't many people in the world have never seen an iPhone before but anybody who's newly exposed to an iphone it like takes the iphones like how is this the iphone then they look at it's like oh wow and they associate whatever that old style is with the iphone and that's no longer the iphone so that's why it's important to have cohesive visuals i really don't think they should support old old designs did I see what the video of the baby reacting to iOS 7 no no I don't watch baby videos ever you have to watch that I just dropped it in the chat i don't i don't i'm not going to do it it's hilarious it's like 30 second yeah you must do this for your fire that's not happening that's not happening where the problem is I don't think I would have been man support a video at the same time as I'm running a podcast but I'm gonna look at this this video is called baby and iOS 6 vs iOS 7 and there's a 13-second advertisement in front of it which is fun I always like to see the Snickers commercial again with Kenny Kenny G that's a good time if you can't pull a 240p video and stream at the same time and all fragmented yeah now it's happening all right so here's a baby there's a card table this is scintillating for our listeners I'm sure they've all skipped the iOS section anyway because everybody unpacking out for some reason hates hates Apple unlock baby unlocks the iphone and is tapping away at which is cooks the baby looks like it's at an executive meeting it looks like it's really running things and yeah and then there's iOS 7 and loot the reaction moon has been swapped out for one running iOS 7 the direction is priceless baby look to the camera baby takes a couple beats is chewing on its cud and bP said four stomachs right yeah it throws his hands up they're like hey did you do the toddler legit did throw it ends up there like I don't know what to do with this I don't know why you gave me this crap gets us away from me wasn't bad it wasn't that interesting that was not worth it Taylor Martin you are fired I'm let the pic yeah I also let dad I just love the reaction she's like get this away from me I don't want this it should really be called like iphone that's on vs. iPhone that's not I expected her to cry or something yeah me too yeah yeah insufficient payoff Taylor Martin is demoted to second lieutenant that's what we call pulling a lost theirs you shut up i like that finale what the hell i'm the only one of the only one guys I am I don't know about you but I'm a little tired of talking about Apple you think it's time to talk about the green robot sure swell what do I know I'm second lieutenant knows why don't you go there to say shut up Anson listen this note 3 next to me which we talked about somewhat longer at the top of the show then I wanted to got taken out of its box the other day by me and the home button is already all scratched up go watch my unboxing but I've already managed this patch up the home button somehow which is annoying yeah thanks man and I I do not know what to make of this oh I I just I don't understand it yet this is a confusing device to me and probably because it's so loaded with features and this isn't such a bad thing this time because I actually I actually do want to try them a lot whereas with the s4 I was kind of like wow there's a bunch of features I don't care about on here but there's some new note taking stuff there's some new software that's bundled in that takes advantage of the s-pen the s pen itself can be inserted into the silo in either direction it's like a what yeah so it's like a lightning connector it's like you doesn't matter which direction it goes in which is quite screen so you could actually put the s pen in the phone and then use it on like your Galaxy Tab or note hello use the whole life there though no no no sorry so like the old note you know how you can only put in the S Pen facing one direction so not not the ok then like the tip is sticking out the bottom now you can't do that so it's it's just the same shape all the way around so it's exactly right yeah well but that's cool with me how many why would she have it with the tip pointing no no that would be really horrible no because with a note 8 in the note too many many times I would try and put the stylus in one way and it didn't want to go in the way my off frig all right I gotta turn it you know those toddler games where do you have to put a shape I grew up in the circle yeah yeah Michael that's all I'm gonna leave you with yeah you know what shut up you you know what happen to you too and I need a murder board and guys do you know what started happening when I started using the note 3 yesterday heavily as my primary device pursuant to this forthcoming review do you know what occurred I don't it turned into a troll I don't know no it's in fact it begun to lag Eddings oh I'm really getting annoyed at this twizz yeah yeah the TouchWiz is getting to the point where it is so bloated that it's it's slowing down a device with three gigs of ram thing running at an absurd clock speed now I was going to do some investigative reporting of my own and by that i mean i was going to Google something but I really should I should have enlisted Taylor Martin for this because he is a google master but I believe I have the the sm n900 version here which is not the one that sports the Snapdragon 800 and this always seems to happen to us like we get the international version in the international version in first and then the US version follows weeks later and man whether its Tegra or XO notes or that other one that I'm forgetting like they're all outclassed for me by the by the Snapdragon devices and this appears to be no exception so far because I've managed to bog down this unit several times and in fact it even froze on me and required a hard restart yesterday over dinner yeah so it says it's a it's an Exynos 5 octa processor that's powering my unit here it's the same one that's and I think it's the same one that's in the S there 5420 yet the new one is that what it yes isn't what it is exynos 5420 note 3 yeah yeah but you know Samsung knows these phones lag like they can't possibly know that they don't right but because frickin user base doesn't or professors not to because ya know oh my never like let's hash net yeah yes it does but Samsung you know they're sitting there and they're talking about this phone they're like you know they're like in a boardroom or something like yeah we're experiencing a little lag and then some some IT guys like sticks his hand up near he's like you have too much software it's too much bloat and then seems like we need these features that's how I feel this goes down like we absolutely need smart rotate and smart scroll and and all these things like nobody needs that nobody make them apps that you can download like that why not you know that's that's not a terrible that's not a terrible idea actually I never thought of positioning it like what what phone was I using where the the app swerve there's like a host of downloadable apps i think was the Lumia line a while back like it didn't come always come pre-installed with Nokia stuff or something like that I don't know there yeah yeah they the Nokia zone the Nokia exclusive apps and the Samsung zone and stuff like in the windows at phone 8 model you can just go in there and it's like oh here's a lot of features it didn't get reloaded I can download them if I want yeah like that the Moto X is like that because what was it skip that's not pre-installed you have to download it Oh reg well skip requires a piece of hardware mmm well no I know that but I'm just saying it's integrated in the software but all the the bulk of the code is left out so they implement it and then when it's like a plug-in that you download from our place board yeah I think so am sung they know that people aren't going to be downloading all these weird little features that you're going to use once and you'll we've said before this is stuff it's designed for the showroom in a lot of ways and having it all on the phone they are ready to show off probably makes it easier for samsung to push these yeah well yeah but it didn't same their specs samsung sitting here thinking hey people are never using these but hey let's show them that they need to use them well obviously if you're not using them and nobody's actually going to use them ever then it's a waste of time and space it's marketing and the demo floor units can have them installed well the songs remove the product it doesn't matter if it's actually on there not but that's that's exactly the point I'm about to make they're moving so much product right now so that's that that's the paradox we all seem to agree that there are some shortcomings here as far as the experience goes but the things are being shoved their the audiences throughout so aggressively that they're moving millions and the nosewheel know six of the biggest success stories we tell them this is working keep doing this right right right now you fall into this if it's not broke don't fix it you know mentality which I don't think I really don't think that that's the right way to think I hate I hate more than I can put into words I hate that quote yeah it's not broke don't fix it Riggins it implies there's no need to develop it is no need to each exactly to move there's no need for innovation of eight yeah yeah so anyway stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life this is trebles uh yeah this turned into a and venting session not have a feeling that idiom is broke and Taylor is in need of fixing it see see there is intelligent humor or on this program but not when I'm around that's right but anyway the note 3 is going to go into the comparison trap today is going to be compared with the note 2 i'm looking forward to getting to know it better i really liked the note to it was one of my favorite devices i was formerly looking forward to replacing with an 03 now i don't know i'm gonna get to know a little better and we'll see how it goes give it a shot Michael there was this change and everyone's like well how's the screen well the screens beautiful is 1080p you know it's uh put the moment I swear it's bigger five-point diff phone feels bigger you hold this thing next to no 2 you're gonna say the same thing it feels more cumbersome this thing has almost fallen out of my hand so many times maybe your hands are shrinking that could be i am getting smaller in my old age i'm just i'm just starting to stoop over i'm starting to wear glasses civility is is working on you making a nice hunk yeah yeah yeahs hump as well so hunchback watchin yes you know it might be because it's dinner it might be because it is it is slimmer it is more difficult to hold well yeah i've just that doesn't mean it makes it feel bigger you don't know Taylor I'm not inside mine is orientated the saying is harder to hold so it must be bigger go away leave the show samsung has done something interesting with the note 3 and a couple other devices recently that's got a lot of people up in arms and I'm going to tell you guys I sent you the podcast rundown 45 minutes before we started recording and then I used 26 of those minutes trying to understand this issue and I do not get it Samsung is region locking some of these devices so that apparently on first activation if you use a sim that is not appropriate for the geographic area of the globe that you are in the phone will fail to activate so what you have to do is use a sim for the flu like the sticker on the back side of my box was this is for the north american market only or the american market only so it'll only work with those carriers so you have to do that first and then you can take your phone to any other country and pop a statement if you want as long as you initially activate it in the country it was designed or shipped to is that right that's what I've been getting that impression from more recent comments the first statement Samsung made it was just missing German of the translation was incredibly wonky and it seems to guest exactly the opposite but I think what's actually happening is is more the way you're pairing it where you have to activate it in one of the native countries first before it can be unlocked for use elsewhere yeah and this is this is unprecedented cuz it seems like a whole a region such as carrier specific you know and I i I've already said that I don't fully understand the issue but I the way I've read it seems to indicate to me that the massive like blow back on this that this is the thing that was out causing everybody such outrage yesterday was that it seemed that these devices would never work with other sims like you activated with one salmon then you can't swap sims like at least that those are like the tweets I was reading and then people are like the g and GS m stands for global idiots and I'm like this can't be though this can't be what's happening so even if it is the way you're saying I still think it's as big a deal that Samsung putting its nose in this business that the customers simply don't think it has a right to be doing it's kaelyn it's different but it's still no peddling so is that is that it i mean like in why are they doing it i mean the easiest answer would be that samsung doesn't want phones exported to countries that they're not that they don't want them to be sold in why because the experience is not tailored for that specific market because they don't want devices in markets yet where they don't have a what and advertising presence like i don't i don't understand Samsung's stake in this it could be a governmental thing like a legal matter no Samsung did say to a twitter user this is there's an update on the story from NDTV where a samsung germany apparently told this twitter user Jan ole that the region lock is there to prevent cheap imports so there that is so this is like pretending grey market John's and it's about setting prices in certain areas they don't want you buying it where the phone sold for less and bringing it in I guess I don't know yeah I guess so I mean this is that area where this is why and a lot of comparisons have been made to like DVD region lock ass right widget evil games which I have never understood that either so I this is completely area into alien territory to me but I I can understand why people would be frustrated about this like what's what's the analogy is when it's like when carriers start meddling with software and stuff like it's kind of that thing it's like you don't belong this is not your your role you know stop stop sticking your nose in it as you say so I mean think this is getting cleared up though so yeah it's it brings back memories of when I was selling the iphone when I was working in retail and we were selling I believe it was the iPhone 4 or 4s I don't remember but uh people came in and it was a launch day and a guy tried to buy three of them he was not a native american and native it wasn't a narrative Americans if it wasn't native to America and he clearly barely spoke English and we asked him why he wanted him and he would never answer us and we can't sell them if we know that somebody is going to export them that was that was the rule right so tell her you're right it may well be I had forgotten about that that issue like where it's like yeah the manufacturers have a vested interest in preventing this this this import fraud or whatever but but this is nothing new right now this is yeah this this regional lock is yeah yeah it's not something I'm the issue is not even think it's just another solution for that yeah yeah so we will follow this story I'm sure that it's going to resolve itself once once we no longer have to translate press announcements because I think a lot of this was coming from Samsung Germany and like a lot of the info was getting lost due to bad translations and it's like okay someone who knows if you know something about this let us know drop us a line in the comments I want to talk about this marriage dissolving between HTC and beats who is shedding some tears over this no one can we do a party yeah beats is buying back at stake in no 8 ok beats is buying back HTC's stake in beats which started as a fifty percent stake in the company in July and then july twenty twelve diminished to twenty-five percent wooden beats bought back half of it now they're just buying back the whole thing so i know was the weirdest partnership to begin with well it was it made no it made a degree of sense to me i understand that culturally the two companies are not similar but think about it you have a smartphone maker that wants to differentiate based on the couple factors that other people aren't focusing on it makes sense to ally yourself with a well-known brand in that field and that was beats and you know it was having the Beats Audio brand on smartphones I was I've kind of always been ok with it because like I say it's a differentiator it's like oh that's the phone with beats that's cool can I listen to it at least he gets a conversation started it may taste unlike everything else they had the headphones that made sense but when they started branding beats as this you know the the equalizer that I think was pushing it too far for me well and not the problem right I mean it was because the end the experience that was delivered ultimately wasn't terrible yeah good now listen though you know we're quick to jump on beats as being this crappy things like it's just an EQ setting you just amps up the beat the base and the volume and that's basically what beats does it's an audio profile right really all it is same time I haven't been able to replicate it using other other enhancements and do you want to that's the thing yes we in one very specific circumstance I absolutely do want to and that is riding on the loud loud subway and when I turn beats on on an HTC phone I can hear everything much better when there's a lot of ambient noise in the background so it is used in that why are you using your audio yeah just just just get it like i'm using headphones what you guys think I'm like blasting my speaker from on the train what do you think a little snug all around the year the big old ones oh you're flying in the air yeah that's an awesome idea because I want to carry around one other thing when I'm carrying around four phones I think you do yes give some a THM 50s and you'll thank me later okay yeah thanks no I would much prefer to just have smaller buds and have a bladder noise but anyway I I don't think anyone has ever been really satisfied with the actual end result but I thought that I thought that HTC was going to get a lot out of it and I guess that didn't happen but I don't think guys tell me if I'm wrong I could never see what beats was getting out of this what kind of exposure was beats anticipating like you know money that's the only thing the way I guess I can sort of see it like a giving them more credibility because that people have always thought of it like we were just talking he just amps up the bass and the volume but this they're getting involved with the technology company toe baby beets is smart or maybe it's more advanced than we gave it credit for okay alright and yeah but I got a beats phone it didn't come with Beats headphones maybe I'll buy some be exact I was just gonna say this gonna drive the sales of like beats hardware like headphones hardware is that what they're where they were coming out with us maybe and then beats is like no your phones aren't selling piece yeah and meanwhile beats is doing mic drop he's doing better than it was like HTC continues to suffer despite doing a lot of things right in my opinion as far as hardware goes men but but beats is like something like fifty nine percent bigger than it was a year ago or something that number is completely bogus but I can't source it right now so beats is in bid beach is doing better than HTC I think we can all agree these do better beats doing better but that's said so we don't know right now the story is not clear they say they're going to maintain a relationship of some kind that sounds like damage control PR talk to me I don't think that's going to happen and I do you guys think the brand is going to disappear from HTC devices the Beats Audio Brad I wouldn't be surprised I mean they've been scaling back the relationship for a while nail yeah I mean I will be very happy not to have the stupid beats logo in my notification area anymore but this I don't know I always get weird when a very visible differentiator goes way and as much as we make fun of it having beats audio on the back of a smartphone I still think was a pretty cool call out it was it was at least a point of discussions like how Wow what's that mean you know actually yeah I have seen conversations sparked up just because of beats on the phone heavy really yeah yeah is it a note launch event actually back in the day yeah oh and uh HP was doing a partnership with beads to actually does the touchpad have the Beats Audio Brandon yes right here not branding but it has Beats Audio it has Beats Audio yeah so maybe they're gonna be all up in HP's girl from Iran out but that would be that would be very funny because HP is like it isn't HP talking about releasing windows phones I hope not yeah we'll see before we move on to windows phone by the way we want to talk one last time about the Samsung Galaxy gear and buy one last time I mean hopefully one last time before we actually get one of our own which was supposed to happen I think today but they were delayed in their shipping to the vendor we were talking about getting it from so don't know what the story is with the gear really looking forward to reviewing it but Samsung i love this headline samsung galaxy gear lacks something special says company official like wow my foot there they go just shoot right in the middle there was like i could fit in my mouth pretty well so the galaxy gear was being discussed there's a there's a report on the Galaxy gear from Samsung quoting who is this this is Samsung's executive vice president for the company's mobile business marketing Lee hyung Lee jung-hee who's quoting a samsung official we're not sure if it was a different one or the executive VP above this is kind of a weird translation that believes we've acknowledged that our gear lacks something special with more investment for user interface and user experience Samsung devices will be better in terms of customer satisfaction I have no idea ugly it is that it is not not pretty the wart on it big ol laser work yeah the wort is located in the most scuffed up place unreasonable this is damaged waiting to happen yeah I wonder if that's a sapphire lens on their care if it is it better be better be like a man or something he would be yeah I am beating up my pebble something fierce to man I'd ever since I got my pebble I've been walking into door frames like yeah like like I never come bump into anything or scraped my arm owned anything before but I started wearing a watch and it's like everything everything me you know it's it's it's funny or not you're just like every if you're like me you're just scuffing it like it's it's a matter of millimeters of clearance which leads me to believe that actually I've just spent my whole life taking corners really tight with like very little immigrants and the watch is actually interfering with that now I actually take corners so tight that I actually have to make a sound when i get like yeah yeah well yeah mine is beat all the crap like my the face of my pebble is you have to like that yeah well and they've kept an angle it to see through the scratches to see the time and the pebble takes that beating like a champ like i mean- has been great but so i wonder how the gear is gonna do it I like that it's made of now I held this thing at Aoife and I don't think I either didn't ask the question I did ask the question i think it is stainless steel if you go back and look at my hands on you can just run that but i think it's stainless steel so i think it's real metal so not to worry about the casing i am worried about breaking the screen if a stainless steel takes dings and shows them pretty well that's gonna get all mart up right quick yeah no I don't mean I think cosmetically it will not do well but I just mean like in terms of breaking did oh yeah why hold together yeah so I'm very excited did you guys watch inspector gadget as kids yes I didn't know I wasn't a healthy young child is there sarcasm there saving I can't tell of course I wishes well do you remember Penny's computer watch yeah yeah that's I want I said the second area in a book so she had a computer book and she had a computer watch and the computer watch by the way so I told to developers on Twitter yesterday I was like listen to me I crisp hundred-dollar bill for the first developer to build an app that resembles pennies smartwatch and it has to do a couple things and somebody suggested that it should have pennies watches laser built in as well but and she come with a dog's collar with the yeah with extendable radio as well I said that there had to be some footage of brain in there to qualify and some authentic sound effects so maybe we'll get that I'm really jazzed about the gear I don't think it's going to be reviewed terribly well I don't I think it's an overwrought and undercooked product you got to try it but I'm so excited to try it yeah it's like the epitome of of going too far in the wearable tech geeks space and it's from Samsung I have to admit if this was from another manufacturer I wouldn't be giving at the time of day pardon the pun but don't bum but and it's not because I'm a samsung fanboys because Samsung is massive and they are they're not only building this but they're pairing it with their most visible smartphone release of the season in the note 3 and they're saying use this with your note 3 I think that's pretty cool I just how they bungled in not having the software for the s4 you're ready to go right out the door that's another point doesn't make sense you got to wait until december for that right yeah also why is AT&T selling pebbles can anybody answer yeah because AT&T I was just in an AT&T store yesterday second largest US carrier for our non-american listeners and AT&T is freaking large and in charge with regard to offering stuff they're renovating our stores into much more welcoming places they have the I think they want to position themselves to be like the best buy of the carrier retail model like they have everything and I just mean an inventory not in god I hope not in customer service you know it's like they have so much stuff and I that's why I love it I'll go to the mall and I'll spend by the sprint kiosk just because you know memories but they don't have anything compelling and I'll go to the verizon one and I'm like okay you guys have got some interesting stuff and then t-mobile is always fun to go in for the novelty and the you know the uncarrier stuff and the windows phones but then I just go in 18 team like wow you guys have legit everything yeah from well I mean that's how many new devices AT&T gets to verizon which is much larger absolute or somewhat larger I mean it's verizon's gotten four or five new phones in the past couple months 18 he's got like 99 rise against aren't the ones everyone wants there's no deal like the droid razr yeah and here's real just like I used to I used to have a very different perception of AT&T before I moved to Boston because they didn't perform well where I used to live and in boston they really really perform better than variety outperform verizon pretty much everywhere but that's not interesting and everyone's already tuning out because i don't care about American carriers apparently in their audience however the cool thing about this from a business perspective is AT&T had the iphone exclusivity and they had locked it down for like five years or something turned out to be four years whatever finally verizon gets the iphone 4 and that that that exclusivity is broken the iphone is like escaping the clutches of AT&T and the company took that lesson they saw that coming and they actively worked to get other exclusives so they were the biggest windows phone 7 launch partner they turn that into a Windows Phone a very visible windows phone 8 partnership which has had its ups and downs that we've talked about but at least they're very visible in that space and they decided to carry as many Android phones as they could even while they still had that iphone exclusivity so this is a really good example of forward-looking strategy I think from a from a US carrier so that's why ATT is selling the pebble Taylor because they are as they they want to to have ever expanding which is club I think it's cool engadget just ran a headline Apple photo patent declared invalid as it has already been shown by Apple so they apply for a patent that they already had well yeah i think that sends a nice message that that we're through with the android category we're already jumping to other store before we go to where we go yeah the galaxy gear i'm wondering if that comment about it not being special means anything about what we've heard that Sam really wants to get this galaxy gear 2 out the door like early early next year and it's just waiting for a little feedback on the first one before announcing it at CES or something what do you think they're going to dump what galaxy gear on the market and then like four months later to a galaxy gear to that's what the river was saying it seemed ridiculous but now if they really feel that the source was not special might make sense that's why you you kind of pick the market release a prototype to a couple journalists or something and then actually work on the next product that like not just hey here's a phone or here's a here's a SmartWatch and then three months later here's another one like nobody wants that that's gonna make a lot of you do like galaxy glass or something you take your time you work yesterday glass Google glass Noel galaxy glass is gonna be hilarious when that gets released in a month and a half look it's just like the Google glass except it's gotten a bunch of gesture controlled stuff way to sit on past this headband you shake your head rapidly back and forth to Mexico once the Star Wars guys Lobo oh wait the cloud city guy oh yeah with the thing around the back of us yeah attaches directly to your occipital lobe convulse too close you know Gigi convulse to close would be an awesome feature uh listen I mean I should patent these things I think that's the clothes cross your eyes to zoom right I think that it would be very smart if Samsung to skip the galaxy gear and go right to the galaxy gear 2 for the reasons you were a state achievement I gotta say selfishly if that happens I'm gonna be really mad and I'm gonna be like beating Sun store down like give me one of those first ones gotta try it out I'll be real mad I've been real mad let's move on to windows microsoft has announced the surface 2 and the surface pro 2 i want to mention we touched on this briefly in the last show and then most of that was edited out but we were in fact yeah invited to this event but that invite came through too late there was some serious confusion on the communication side so for people wondering why we were not there what happened was we didn't get the invite until after the event was done and then we've got to follow curiously before that though we got a follow-up email like two days later after this event we didn't go to title them how did you like the surface event I'm like um okay invention that yeah so but fortunately you know so it was it was very nice to be invited next time we'll get it better before we can be there but the surface and surface pro 2 what do we think about this guy steven has a nice write-up what are you what are your thoughts circus pro two sounds great surf is too worried about so what does the surface to run is it windows RT again is it the last hour T fried 8.1 windows RT no I think they're sticking with rt for the launch dropping the moniker on the hardware which is you know which is good yeah cuz that's kind of confusing it yeah it's kind of confusing and and I think it's less ambiguous to consumers but then they're gonna realize after they buy it but it doesn't run everything they want it to run you know I didn't give the sales guys do a good enough job at describing the difference it'll be okay and most people are Phil are associated already with this thing of like here's product here's product pro you know I don't think that's a new model that people are going to have to get used to I think it'll be all right what about this uh this music thing they introduced yeah alternate keyboard cover said came out of nowhere so first of all the existing touch cover has but it has been slimmed by something like what half a millimeter and also a backlight has been installed which i think is really awesome the touch cover was like one of those things that I really loved about the first surface I it works horribly I couldn't use it no I can't use it either I'd like it's it's horrible to type on but it's so good looking that I just honor I'm so shallow but now they've done a backlight in and not only have done that made it slimmer but they've also boosted the sensor count like the first touch cover at 80 sensor so I guess one sensor perky which made sense right but this one has a thousand touch sensors so like essentially the entire surface of the of the cover is is a touch sensor so you will not miss as many keystrokes is the message i'm taking from this but then there's this one this alternate touch cover that you can buy if you're a what Stephen a DJ I guess it's got the sliders it's got controls for your sequencer it's I want to buy one just because I'm not a DJ but it looks like a like transporter control console it's cool it's just such a weird specific music for a I assume it's going to be expensive to happen announced the price this has got to be eighty ninety a hundred dollars right it's just it's weird I feel like Microsoft's trying really really hard to like make themselves seem like Appling I don't know it's gonna be a garage band you're gonna plug it into your music equipment it's gonna be it's functional it's not just a toy right and it's functional in this niche in this niche space well but that space is also like perceived as cool like they had a guy for the DJ from Lincoln Park talking about this thing out of it i believe the part as a DJ right right so anyway there's that i think that's that's really weird but what's the what's the deal not on the hardware of the surface to what's been what's been boosted here so George screen 1080p screen well they it it had 1080p border fanservice bro no oh no the surface RT was 13 by 7 something seven something yet no are you talking about surf stewardship program with the service to I don't want to buy the pro yet yeah so the real surface to or they actually is there there's an adjustable kickstand on the surface 20 yeah both of them have the tube a kickstand okay so you have a 20 degree in 40-degree angle which is cool because that was one of the primary complaints about the first services like it only stands up at this one angle so it still won't center in your lap right but you know apparently that's not something we need to talk around Apple flatter lap dude no I think it was ten I was reading a daniels piece and he said that it actually works in your lap now the 40 degree angle yeah whatever there's there's two we'll see not that I know that I'm saying like whatever to detect crunches report but it's like I'm trying to envision this thing in my lap with two long narrow points of contact going horizontally and I remember how that feels with the first surface I don't know whatever we'll give it a shot I am NOT not hopeful about it but I still love that kickstand so hard that I think it'll be alright I love it so hard what's so hard it has a Tegra 4 chip which is extremely powerful as i experienced myself with the Nvidia shield so at one point seven gigahertz quad-core Tegra 4 with the same storage capacity but it has double the ram so went from two to four gigs of ram but still 32 or 64 gigabytes of storage I mean twenty percent increase or twenty-five percent increase in battery life the display is resolutions boosted with better colour reproduction and angles so viewing angles i believe and USB 3.0 bluetooth 4.0 and possibly LTE or no definitely LT in the future maybe this else is coming it might not be there's a theory going around we're only going to get the surface mini in LTE I don't know if any truth to that but and then the surface pro has kind of similarly interesting but also iterative improvements we have what is this a 75-percent extension of battery life which is pretty awesome because the pro the first run of the probe kind of suffered in that area because it was running so powerful 5000 graphics performance as well yeah it's got a high five has bowl at 1.6 gigahertz ok us too up to 512 gigabytes of storage so 64 128 256 and 512 of I guess last original yes and my first two so 64 and 128 come with four gigs of ram the last 2 256 and 512 come with eight gigs I think that's really interesting and sort of speaks to how we're getting this convergence between tablets and laptops I can't remember a tablet or a bonus giving users a choice of multiple Ram configurations before no I know sorry what are those Ram choices again to get work for or 84 or eight okay then that's cool and that's exactly what Microsoft is doing with the surface pro right so it makes sense that they would they would they would offer that I think that's that's a pretty cool first they've also got a docking station that they're bringing along with USB 3.0 port and mini DisplayPort and ethernet and then in plenty of regular old USB ports that's pretty cool so the pro looks to be that thing but but I still I don't know I I didn't use the pro as long as our friend Adam Lane did and he loves his pro and my friend I was just having dinner with my friend Chris last night his mother apparently has a surface pro and I'm like what did she do and he's like well she's a housewife Michael so she needed a nine hundred dollar gambling that's like what are you talking about so but apparently you know it's a lovable product I just don't understand like what what what drives you to do that if you have you have all this all these windows 8 laptops out there these notebooks with touch screens and stuff so and they are presumably a little easier to use you don't have to detach components by special accessories for ports and things like that sand there there we're talking we're not too far apart in price here when you start talking about the surface pro with all these optional add-ons so so why are people gonna buy the surface pro I mean people besides people who want to you need to like illustrate on the screen and stuff and use the flexibility I mean the for windows 8 the ability to drop the keyboard off that that's it really okay I mean I've been contemplating the yoga by I guess it's lenovo yeah but it's just too big it's really cool it's too big it's too expensive but this thing if I got I'm just saying I don't use Windows I don't really like windows all that much just at least not windows 8 256 gigabytes with the keyboard the touch cover or type cover whichever I don't know what it is touch cover I could see myself using that like that would be helpful for events because it's got enough horsepower to video edit it's got enough ram it's got enough it's got an i5 Haswell so why wouldn't that be a little more logical than my macbook pro which is enormous and heavy if you're running around like CES ok so you're talking about a weight savings yeah but you can't yeah well I will one we won't know until we can actually put one in our lap but I don't think you I still don't think you can type in your lap of them anyway I don't want to harp on on that point I want to know I want to know from from listeners who who this device who actually wants one of these devices a surface 2 or a surface approach and I want to know the use case that you're planning on using then I can't promise that I'm like building a piece on this or anything I'm just actually legitimately curious because this seems like something that would have spoken to me in college where I'm like I'm running around campus all day right say in this imaginary world I don't own a macbook air already which is the ultra portable which I prefer in which i use sadness my air i'm against my hair because you're using a pro I sold my protocol there's so many to get the pro so the thing is though like get back I want to know what the price growing cycle in my head yeah in my head and then you've got the air 11 too so in a way you there's a lot going on here I want to know why people are planted about the surface 2 and there are events going on in Microsoft stores around the country right now or they will be kicking off shortly where you can get a hands-on special preview of the surface 2 in the surface pro 2 and that's going to be pretty cool from what I understand maybe I'll go through the microsoft store but worthy starting apparently allegedly that is a good question and i'm looking it up right now Adam Lane gave me the heads-up on this because of Oh what did he say because i was looking servers to rumor roundup surface to launch event tell you're supposed to like talk while I do this holding over up my guess your I have something to say this reminds me about kia the google glass events that google announced yesterday toeffler are you anywhere near durham are you gonna attend that the globe their moment durham there is oh heck yeah i'm about two hours away where everyone is this win is this october fed something all day long for my 10 a.m. saturday yeah heck yeah i'm going there we go all right try on glass talk to the google engineers that's pretty cool i'm still I'm so baby and I haven't use google glass yet I'm so so maybe we should do something with this I'll be there on Saturday yeah I verse top durham north carolina yeah okay sure i'll stop by i'll stop by the the luxury car lot on the way you so this is events at microsoft have started already Monday September 30th is the first one on the Microsoft Store facebook account facebook.com slash microsoft store and this will be kicking off in seattle washington at the microsoft store university village get a sneak peek at surface to surface pro 2 and the team behind it with Panos Panay it's going to be there excuse me Panos Panay you get it and then this goes to San Francisco Los Angeles Houston Miami Chicago New York Boston which will be on October sixteenth and and that's where it looks like it ends so check it out if you guys want to see the surface to surface pro 2 listeners before they get unveiled go to a microsoft store on one of these events if you live near once again facebook.com slash microsoft store if you're jazzed about did was there anything near me I wasn't listening get off get up get off my podcast going oh yeah I'm or skiing for this glass thing alright yet to RSVP well RSVP then I am listen some of the last devices bearing the nokia brand might see they're unveiling very soon we're getting rumors from a couple sources i think steven wright that nokia is going to have like a half dozen models to announce at this october event nokia world that's what they're saying at least two of them should be Lumias so yeah they're probably be a punk shash is there but also see yeah that's the thing like a headline i vs oh my god i was sweet and then I'm like oh wait they make all that lowend crappy yeah so but it apparently is wonderful oh n stuff anyway I take back the crap comment but we're excited about Lumias here so the obvious thing as Steven point sounds the Lumia 1520 phablet and maybe to ashes or something and then there's a room there were rumors of a lighter weight or a cheaper Lumia 920 so that's in the 929 the one the verizon one right yeah and then so assume to Lumia has two or three ashes and there's there is still room in there for a tablet which feel like these nokia tablet rumors keep getting more steam rather than less I did what is your opinion on that student having been plugged in for a froot a bit yeah for a while if I think we were building up to an actual launch but now but I don't know it feels like it's a lost track or derail I'm just not sure when the announcement might be it seems I'm hesitant to believe that it could be lumped in with everything else here because it feels like it should be a bigger deal than just here are five other things oh and also our first tablet right and again I don't know where else they would announce this so exactly because like what there's only a limited amount of time before this transaction this purchase finally gets authorized and no cabe this division within nokia becomes Microsoft so maybe this is just going to be the the last hurrah and the big blow out there were those rumors also the Microsoft was trying to convince nokia to forget about the tablet they didn't want the competition Serpas to right which would be interesting I didn't it would be very very interesting if this tablet were to be released and just to do a comparison surface 2 vs nokia windows RT sloughed how long he an expensive comparison yeah yeah would happy so awful in nokia just trounced microsoft in every possible way yeah well it would be fine because then you know then they would get bought and in the you know it's an harris gee i wonder what the losses the brain drain is going to be like at this this acquisition and this is just you know not I have nothing to back this up I've spoken I've not recently spoken to any nokia employees and asked about the feelings within the nokias culture with regard to Microsoft culture but I can there's supposed to be acquiring what thirty eight thousand employees in the in this division and I don't know how many of them are going to want to stick around we've already heard about all those people forming up for an Android project is x nokia worker there's what didn't something go around about this or am i just speculate in here what it's might know something about it I don't I know bring exactly that I mean I know that wasn't it yotaphone was it does that one what about you then ratio yes yola and then Yolo Yolo selfish but they're doing their own thing with the sailfish OS yeah aren't they x nokia one of the next okay yeah well no yo lies yeah there's a lot of extra okay people with any other yeah no wholesome maybe it'll be something that yukia what your kid you've got to be kidding me yeah it's so gonna get sooo new the amount like the first week in September there was talk about these ex-employees getting together and doing something and Roy D founder says new Kia branding will not be on its phone yo Kia's founder or interim CEO told me just really want to get suits the idea with the naming here Wow Dukey a new Kia yeah that's funny that is funny somebody's got a sense of humor yeah that's that's funny ok well let's get live from ZDNet nokia is dead newquay arises from its ashes I was pretty fins oh that's great well we will have to look into that once we have something solid on that that's maybe hasn't been reported yet we'll discuss it maybe next week if there's room but I think we should close it up for today boy so that we can do some comparison videos and you know do some reporting on the news what do you think Steven and I suppose it has to happen sooner or later good well thank you for for joining us again on the show Steven's wonderful to have you back and I want to let you know that your twitter account has a as a fresh new mention on it from someone who when i announced that the show was about to be recorded some someone was just like yeah I love it when at Steven shank is on the podcast oh it's always great people care yeah and I got a tweet from someone saying seriously a Shrek reference I i called the iphone and ogre or because i said it had layers its dimensional yeah I I and Taylor you you received some love as well on my somebody was busy hating on my iPhone review because you know I 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