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it never rains but it pours that's more than just an old adage to comfort your friend on a turbolift ride it's the truth particularly in the mobile technology world for us and for you that means an avalanche of Awesome reviews are about to land at pocketnow.com we'll talk a bit about this and cover the not insignificant news of the week on episode 09 one of the pocket now weekly the once a week audio podcast where we discuss smartphones tablets wearables and other gadgets you dreamed of owning when you were young from Boston Massachusetts I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and I'm joined on today's show by the host of the pocket now daily our multimedia manager and good friend jaime rivera from honduras welcome back sir I'm always trying to memorize what you say at the beginning and I sad really suck at I tweaked it a little bit each time we're also joined by veteran time traveler spring door fable Plex from the year twenty thirty four aka chief news editor Stephen shank welcome back to 2014 you intrepid explorer you thank you very much what the flippity floppity mike it is what they're saying in the future these day that's a joke from from twitter yesterday sprung from some staffing difficulties if you follow us on twitter listeners you will know what we're talking about it's been sort of like hell to get this show staffed this week no no it's always a dream producing that yeah oh yeah yes well it's something at least twenty percent of us look forward to at all times but the staffing issues are crazy on this show because we are very very busy this week i'm much more so than usual and they mean that this show will be a little shorter than usual they mean that our noise floor is a little higher than it usually is because we're not necessarily using the correct equipment and they mean finally that we're going to kick off this episode with a quick rundown of announcements so these this list of announcements is almost entirely as focused on reviews and that's a great thing because we have so many coming soon so yeah so we have the probably most prominently and you're starting to see reviews trickle out already from other outlets the galaxy s5 review is coming i was about to say very soon not coming very soon as coming soon because our supplier for this one clove technology has unfortunately had a shipping delay so we're waiting for the s5 to come in but as a bonus we're also now waiting for two other devices related to that device to come in the gear 2 neo and the gear fit hey hey I know we're gonna be buried in new Samsung wearables powered by Tizen so who's going to be walking around town with the the two wearable devices one on each wrist at the same time just going to say I wonder if Tony's going to do that that's another wonderful benefit to this arrangement is that Anton denote after a long long time away from reviews is going to be taking care of the Samsung material for us so that's awesome I'm looking forward to seeing his face again surely is the seat what happens if you turn on the pedometer on both of those they end up you know being relatively close at the end of the day / week or it depends on a few heavily favored one of your legs I would imagine depends on if you've been whacked by a like a golf club or something angered anchored the mob but in addition to those reviews we have a the Oppo find 7 a review that's coming soon that'll be coming from my offices here in Boston I know very little about the device and I'm really excited to get to know it there's another one we can't talk about so we'll talk about that when we can talk about it and finally also coming is the nokia X review I'm also handling that one and that is going to turn into a giveaway when we're done with it so yeah God thinking that was gonna be interesting it is gonna be interesting yeah guys this is the plain old XO you can be looking at not the exactly X plus for the XL I think it's just a plain old nokia X yeah well that one I think is coming from negri and it should be here today I think so yeah this is there's a lot of stuff on the horizon as the point it's going to be massive now that also we should also mention that there are some reviews already here ours ends review week is under way you guys know this stephen and i may but we have a we have a fun relationship with a with an accessory manufacturer called his ends there a small little house that makes some really great stuff we have already posted what did I post the bigger yeah the bluetooth speaker the booty so it's not just a bluetooth speaker with a great battery life but it also has a Qi wireless charging plate on top so you can drop your chin able phone I really like the thing that's that was a lot of fun to review you know I really want to like it Tunes know what they do the butt on the end of that are you just you just mad that you can't that like do you want me to send you your night I really want to like it too calls ends come on i'll send you mine because i don't have much use for it i even though i like it very much just in phila I don't like blast my tunes in public often so but anyway I like it a lot it could be good for for a lot of things and Taylor Martin just reviewed the cupholder qi wireless charger from so weird what I don't know you spend the design of it it wasn't what you expect from a wireless charger you're thinking place i'm gonna drop it on this is it's it's cozy it's cool right look yeah and it makes sense like it's a slot in a thing that fits into the cup holder and like you drop it in your car and there it is and I you know I don't know people who do people whose continue to rail against wireless charging eyes just so confused by because why do you want to be in your car fiddling with a stupid cable and USB you're like holding it up to your ear with it with a coiled cord attached to the thing you know why why would you want to do that why would you want to do this why not just drop the thing into your into your cup holder and say oh ok it's charging when it's in the cup holder and I can pull it out whenever I want to deal the stupid wire I love it I guess it's wildly optimistic of Zeb's to assume that our cup holders are not completely full of you know pennies and recess and hard cigarette butt listen way yes second I thought I thought I was the only guy that did that haha my concern was that they wouldn't make it large enough cuz you know our cup holders are getting larger to accommodate our bucket sized soft drinks at our American drive-throughs yeah bingo yeah so I don't know so anyway that review week is under way those two reviews are already up and Joel Eva's review of the more conventional zens wireless power just kind of charging plate is coming up soon so we're going to three zens reviews up this week that's so much fun I always love when I'd like a new array or a smaller a lesser known manufacturer comes in and we were able to review their stuff you just don't do enough accessories in general that's what people have been saying in the comments but you know it tricky it's a tough balancing act because while we do enjoy doing them obviously they don't get quite the audience that a mobile device review gets and so it's right and we someone's put in the right amount of time in order to have a exactly good review of it so it's a balancing act of our priorities i guess so you know it's really interesting to see the transition i mean when i when i used to be like the guy that used to handle the the things that we would review we would do like ninety percent accessories ten percent phones like five or six years ago Wow is that right yeah yeah if you look at our reviews from like 2008 that was like because hey back then how many smartphones were built right now is it was a really small market back then yeah wasn't seven and we didn't go over or the decision was made not to go over and start doing dumb phones back then so no yeah we I remember we used to have this policy of doing three reviews a week but then to fill that gap just think about I mean wow how earbud is right for you yeah multiply 52 x 3 and think about how many phones were launched this year and even even if we tried to do that this year it would be difficult it's absurd i ended up this week with something like 12 or 13 phones littering my desk here and I I actually like I came into my office to move something I had a couple computers open I'm I had to like push aside a wave of smartphones to put my computer down it's and it's not all new I guess not you know they're not old school like things and y'all trade I'll trade it for my turn anytime dude I'm not complaining you know it's it's a good times what also already here the HTC One m8 for verizon that review was done by Taylor Martin I think it's one of his prettier reviews the layout is gorgeous yeah the photos are beautiful and his conclusions since they are in line with mine are brilliant that didn't it yeah now these it's a great review should you should watch the video read the review if you're thinking of an oven verizon power to HTC One m8 I've spent a long time at AT&T because that's my personal line my provider and the one that works best for me here in Boston but verizon man they make a freakin solid network I put up a tower yeah yeah they know how to erect a tower indeed and finally to close out the announcements also already here finally our blackberry 10 dot-to-dot 1 review it sounds like an incremental upgrade I wish they had called it something a little bit more bombastic because this update is significant and it's done a lot to improve the blackberry experience so in fact i called the review 10 pounds of upgrade in a five-pound bag and that's what it's well I'll tell you this much I saw your video and I was like oh my god I should go pull out the z10 yeah and then I was like man and then I canceled those plans well I have the z30 here and I use that and it didn't conjunction with the q10 to evaluate this review and why what a great time by the way those two units are why I've spent more time at verizon recently did just above necessity I had to and was like oh wow not only is this network cool but this platform is really awesome now that i can install android apks as apps but it's not yet quite as hassle free as all that good I'll tell you this much is it reminds me of Windows Mobile man I mean there was a time when app stores didn't exist yet to install the what was yeah the cap files the cab files right and with the booth Parliament was the same way you had to sideload everything on the palm OS would be the way to go miles yeah there was one big exception I heard about in the past week some high-profile app that wouldn't work with the blackberry side loading well all of them anything that requires google play services won't work so hangouts oooo office you say it's the the free office for phones the good they make when they made the phone version of office for Android available without a 365 account Oh microsoft office yes oh i think that doesn't work on B Block very sadly which would really suck considering BlackBerry's market was once yeah business potatoes yeah well at any rate some of that is addressed and they're they're just a lot of native UI enhancements that are that have done a whole lot to improve the blackberry experience and just check it out so that being said we're we're now at a position finally where we have in the announcements out of the way we can start talking about the news we have a trimmed-down run down this week but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot to talk about so i will ask stephen shank to kick us off with android down run dan alright android down run down trim down yeah all those it this is one okay so a couple days back we heard a report out of south korea of course samsung a home turf here talking about a little bit of a tiff samsung it got nuts off into with the press over there dophia yeah not the images here about the galaxy s5 rumors specifically we heard a bunch of rumors leading up to the phones release about issues samsung might even running into with production of the hardware at warning you know possible delays and all and at least two distinct rumors looked at issues with the GS 5s camera it supposedly they were running into problems fabricating these super thin lenses that stack up go above the sensor really low yield rates they said it's like twenty or thirty percent and then supposedly samsung work this out and there was another problem but it doesn't seem like a big deal these sort of stories we hear them all the time every phone any any phone as big as the galaxy s5 you're going to hear stuff about its production on the manufacturing process and samsung thinks that this particular incident is somehow out of line and it is going after the news firm the gov tronic x new i think look for my x ET news and they're going after them in South Korea's it's it's not the court it's like an arbitration review board but they're looking for like three hundred thousand dollars in damages because of what they see as a misleading report with the potential to hurt gs5 sales I wish we didn't have to go through translate to see a lot of this because it would be really nice to be able gap you and when you shove something through google translator whatever it kind of eliminates the nuance you can't tell exactly how the story the original story was presented so i can't tell whether whose side to fall on on this but of course my initial inclination is to say wow publication posts a negative story and you decide to sue them now this is not necessarily alien to anyone I mean we've heard that from the herd of this a lot before but I'm just risky it yet it's interesting because it has the it carries the risk of backfiring right yeah just rice and effects is going to draw more attention to the problem if it is there but right i mean is this actually a problem we don't yet know if there really were these problems with the manufacturing the the news agency is standing by its report saying based on what we heard our story was you know completely aboveboard sampling doesn't have a reason to be so upset here can you imagine how many times we'd be sued over our videos right of course right exactly now what there's there's an interesting debate going out in the comments and a kind of an interesting discussion happening down there about you know there's something you know things are different in south korea and i remember hearing that on a on the galaxy s3 launch weekend or whatever it was the week when i was down in new york city we were talking to some samsung people and their had recently been a an exposure of some kind of illegal dealings by samsung some kind of price-fixing or something i don't really remember what are their yeah but basically the way they solved it is by paying off the government and this was you know it sounds familiar sounds yeah and and this was the way this was being discussed was was kind of very because it was all a bunch of samsung us folks and they were they were basically saying like yeah things are things are very different over there doing business in that market is extremely different that's about as the most i can tell you about it so it's like okay this seems to go hand in hand with the mentality of suing a media publication for posting essentially a rumor or a report that is negative but yeah it's not clear if I mean we assume that sounds like we do this because the report is not factual but maybe just hurt feelings is enough over there I don't know right i don't know and then you have other speculations saying that it wasn't the initial report but the the recharacterization yeah or their refusal to modify it and run a yeah action or something which is the correct thing to do I mean you already wrote something standard oh well yeah I mean if it's wrong you should you should correct it obviously I mean we you know or every media outlet code gets in that position from now now do you think it could have been you know a faulty unit or something because we've had that problem all that's never deal it's never leave all to unit sorry it's just never a faulty but here's a list of problems PR firm that I've found with your review unit can you comment on it we've never seen that before let's send you a different unit okay thank you now step it's just crap no I don't know and we received the tablet again and it doesn't reset itself to our to us what's going on the top reminds me of a specifically am things happen you know and it's just like Oh God so I don't know I this is I don't like the chilling effect this would have on on the freedom of outlets to tell the truth about whether products are sucky or not but this wasn't even a review there's a news report about manufacturing difficulty so this is a kind of a different I don't know it's just scary you know it and and there seems to be an interesting division in the comments between it's about 5050 between people who are like yeah this is scary it shouldn't be happening and people who think that the media already has too much influence over the way brands are perceived and that they deserve to get slapped in the face yeah I was digging through our tips mailbox and I found an interesting email a couple days back from someone claiming to be a manufacturer part manufacturing partner of Samsung and denying these reports of the the camera problems religion think this didn't come out until we ran the story about Samsung suing over this incident didn't happen when we originally ran it it's coming from a gmail account there's no way to confirm this guy is who he says it is who he is but it's interesting but at least someone is responding so passionately to this news yeah it's very interesting stuff we're gonna have to see what comes of it initially I wish we had a follow-up by the time we went on air today but it looks like this is still we're still working with the original information so maybe we'll update that or maybe this will be have enough meet for a new post if we hear anything but shall we move on to the other bit of Samsung news Oh silly little business yeah I like this yeah I like your headline Sampson patents a whole Samsung wonders what if we just put a hole in a tablet yes so there's this design patent that Samsung initially filed all the way back in 2012 but it only just got published by the US Patent and Trademark organization yesterday and it's just it's a tablet it looks like a galaxy tab as we're familiar with and it's got this little hole in the bottom right corner there's no explanation whatsoever as to what it's there for and so I'm speculating wildly over sounds like a possibly be up to here is this just like do you get sort of hold it through the whole idea hook stuff onto it does it I like you're like I like your your your stipulation that it might be like a painter's palette I mean that that would be cool it was a little bigger get your thumb in there but other thing I didn't iron right it doesn't make much sense but what if it was like to put a stylist in its I think it holds it up right like you look like an inkwell on a turn-of-the-century exact less room desk yeah but wow wow but it would have to have an angle for stylus like you guys remember the old compaq I packs the the the doc used to have a some style some song how'd it does have a bit of an angle to it because if i look at the rear renderings the whole expands more on two sides than the other two so it sort of does have a shape to it it's like just straight through but it's only for lefties it's a whole it's bizarre and then but then some commenters pointed out and then us the power readers are very smart ya know our Barnes and Noble has been doing something like this to the milk their other you know not necessarily the throw tablets we cover all the time here that have been doing this but i'm not sure why they did it either no that's that's the thing like why is it I have always wondered why it's there on the note click is it i looked at the it's too big to be a lanyard hole right two bigs a villa in your hole yeah I assume that a loon looks like product page there would be some mention of this like oh it's the awesome tablet whole 2009 no nothing no it's probably samsung's new technology for you to be able to see where you're walking with your tablet or something so you can more easily hang your tablet up to dry after it gets what I was just gonna say I was just gonna say it's one of those I think that the I don't understand why it's on the nook HD I'm looking at it and I'm just I've never understood it and I wonder if it's just an aesthetic improvement that or anesthetic touch that Samsung decided to I mean it is a design at and enough I should all patent yeah but yet we did then look doesn't it look like it's an adjacent anything yeah you did it's just weird anyway maybe we'll see this come to pass this is one of those things where it's like many patents are not are not leveraged but it would be interesting to see this I liked your speculation on the in the 2d sense everywhere it's like we're looking at it directly from the face and so glad this could be anything it doesn't that feel it could be a giant knob there's no alpha channel in these a black white patent renderings here anyway alright so what else is uh what's what's happening this move on from sound chicken what's our next piece of news all that is this is very interesting motorola names and new president and CEO or a gastrula but uh I'm trying to understand i mean the company got acquired by lenovo the transaction hasn't been made yet it hasn't been legalized um but they have a new present I you know Wow what exactly is motorola right now is like the biggest question I have well I think that the the idea was to like to install somebody for the transition to replace Dennis Woodside and also to to try to keep him on board after the acquisition closes now I think that's what side was only a CEO not a president this guy's president and COO president and coo whoa that is odd okay I misread them so there might be a blue noble guy higher up SE cayo I mean yeah well I mean that would make sense because I agree with Hamid is a little odd to have a personnel shift at this high level right before a merger early I haven't seen it much I think it also make sense for what Lenovo's been talking about what they want to do with motorola that they want to have someone who's been around for the past couple years relatively up close to the top leadership level to help steer where it's going because I wanted to be distinct from the lenovo offerings absolutely and it absolutely should be I really found it to be a little comforting that Rick Osterloh has been leading full product management so yeah so he's got head had a big hand in the Moto X right in the what's the other bit not the Moto G but there was something else I was interesting why is this story much shorter than the one I wanted to source to sorry maybe I read like Tony's news stories like two paragraphs long and I remember reading a piece that was much longer and I guess I didn't read hours what's the matter with me wait there are other smartphone websites they just pocket now absolute you're saying yeah and rick is a silica this from motorola rick is a Silicon Valley veteran and a familiar face across motorola he's been leading all product management and helping to define the go forward strategy for the past two years oh this is weren't ready i read it on motorola side okay yeah so you first joined motorola seven years ago and he between stints he joined skype i guess that didn't work out too well and then since his return he's had a key role in the company's reinvigoration he's been a guiding visionary on the entire product front and a passionate advocate for our philosophy to buzz word buzzer buzz word but I I really like his his corporate profile headshot here as well I think he looks exactly like the kind of guy who I would like to to have a beer at a BBQ with she looks like jake busey is who he looks like you see um does it looks like he's down to have a good time like he looks like a fun guy and the comment the commenters have been talking about that as well I think there's some division about that but I'm just I'm glad you know I think this is one of my biggest concerns about motorola going to lenovo has been losing that distinctive motorola identity that has led to things like the Moto X and will eventually lead to the Moto 360 and I really don't want to lose that so I hope yes solutely move preserves that a bit you know so we will have to see I just thought it was worth covering we will see in in other news from other manufacturers LG has the there's been a leaked screenshot of purportedly from the LG g3 showing a tweak to you I yeah obviously one of the things that LG is not really renowned for his software design it doesn't look too bad really well it doesn't look too different either yeah its exact it's almost the same UI flattered um but it still looks cheesy it does like the colors have been changed to something like a different different stripe of ugly oh yeah yeah right it's like it's like a teal it's like an institutional green that was in the hallways of the 1940s instead of the 1930s yes that looks like prison green yeah oh there we write but this does stand as potentially further evidence in favor of the 3g getting a 2k resolution screen because this is definitely bigger than 1080p oh ok and of course and you know that would be very in character for LG to do that right we know it's there there they love being first two things we obviously we talked about this every time we talk about LG but um so yeah that could help them out and steven are we still looking at a possible early release for the g3 I don't know there hasn't been much talk about that lately I mean these rumors about it being in May or June are like a month or two old at this point if not longer so there hasn't been an update lately but there hasn't been anything contradicting that either so for now we're keeping it in mind could be this quarter I think that would be really interesting because when you posted this story I kind of had this moment it was briefly rossak oh yeah LG because I was thinking when forgetting the other side of the galaxy has five we have a pretty big gulf to go but no we've got LG and then Motorola so yeah that's it's gonna be good it'll be a good summer yeah yeah yeah the only thing I'm looking forward to his battery life I guess the for me LG right now sitting them to battery life oh god yes I mean the chief flex the g2 they're both excellent for endurance I'm the g flex more so but yeah I mean why don't you tell us about the HTC One m8 this new edition that might come for sprint well I'm kind of confused about this because I thought it was going to be the sprint HTC One m8 that would bring the special harman kardon that i predict that i pronounced that right speakers i think i can never know how to I never know how to a Harman card on you know I HTC is it I'm okay so the phone is already available in retail stores for everyone AT&T and Sprint and I thought that the sprint edition was going to bring this by the fault but it seems that this would be a special edition that'll come out at some point but I don't know if Stephen D did they promote this is such because I was under the impression that sprint had not said one word about this yet nor HTC and this but no no no no HTC has just confirmed that the phone is in retail stores it sits right right but then that was the confirmation but no eyeing a special edition for sprint I wasn't aware was a thing that had been said no no it hasn't been said it's just something that got leaked on XDA and yeah it got leaked on XDA that there probably is a special edition coming but you know it's I again I was the one that got confused and thought that the sprint edition was going to be the phone all sprint phones what we're going to include this but it turns out that no apparently though there will be a special edition coming soon but again this is just the leaker no this is just the littlest is da everyone's and the leak on XDA seems to include some strings yeah support Harmon flag in a configuration file and some pretty and Vincent looking you I hear efflux first posted that there's going to be the special edition and then later these XDA guys chimed in no no there's no special edition it's the one that sprint already has it's just these special features aren't being prominently pushed their hidden away you change a little line in an XML file and all of a sudden you get this new setting for a couple har k drone that you at the EQ stuff there's one this was to make the sound less compressed there's another one it might just be hot with software eq features there's no sign yet that the speaker's themselves are fancy or anything yes so there's the thing like what can you can you do that with software would would Harmon I know nothing about harmony this is the hope beats audio stuff isn't it yeah right is but it's but it's a company with them you know maybe a better reputation a company that's maybe a bit better respected among audio files i guess but can you do that with just software i mean i guess i guess you can i think it's interesting worth it to do is the question that yes and i think that it will fall to us to determine whether it's worth it it'll be interesting to get our hands on one of these and i also wonder if this goes hand in hand with an event sprint has been advertising for New York City for the end of this month where they've basically sent out these cryptic invitations that say come hear it for yourself and they have a lot of like waveform on them it's obviously an audio is very interested isn't it and we've been thinking that it's sprint getting ready to launch its nationwide HD voice network or whatever for ultra clear phone calls and it may well be that but I canopy boat I was going to say can't it be both I mean wouldn't it if you add something like this waiting in the wings the special HTC One m8 with a new brand name audio experience wouldn't you want to unveil that in conjunction with with something else like that with a conjunction with the phones long he's bizarre this isn't the official already yeah it is weird I don't know but then it's sprint you never know what the hell they're gonna do I mean they'll come up with something crazy like this and then they'll either botch the launch or they'll launch something excellently that nobody cares about you know sprint is always a mixed bag you never know what's gonna happen with them and I guess that's the case with a lot of carriers but why old car and yeah let's do it yeah go ahead good I was gonna say let's talk about Facebook but if you're a closing point on that now it's just the Sprint has been doing that for the longest time they try to do exclusives all the time and that's great you know it's just it works out like sometimes it does it didn't work out for the palm pre but it worked out for the evo 4g I knew you were gonna say say I I was like waiting for palm pre i'm waiting for ria what I was it's for everyone out there playing the pocket and weekly drinking game you have to drink when I talk about webos you have to speak your kool-aid right it's exactly right i have to remind everyone where all their fun innovations came from hey facebook is going to start forcing itself on on users well well here's the thing sorry good so here's a thing for those of you that didn't know probably all three of you out there in the world didn't know that Facebook had a messenger um so the company and this is funny they are going to force but they're going to force something that's already actually working on iOS like if you're if you're on the facebook application and you get a private best private message you can't respond to it from the facebook application it whenever you tap the messenger it'll launch the application on the side and it'll give you this option to go back to Facebook whenever you want but it's all it's been working like that on iOS for like about a month or two so they're planning to implement this on Android and I was like wait a second so Android can't do this so I you know since I've been starting to use a an android phone is my primary phone lately um I started noticing the down on on Android you really can't do that it's it's like you can you can choose to either use the messenger or use the app but you know it defeats the purpose of having you know a separate application when you can still do it on the facebook app and obviously they want to push this facebook application because you can do best yeah you can do SMS messages with it you know it still has that cool chat heads feature um so yeah it's not cool is it still cool is the question I I love to chat as when I came out and I just saw I don't know I'm sorry I've spent three days actually using it again so I was like oh I forgot this was cool yeah it's cool until your duty you know until you realize when the paradigm breaks down and you're like wow I have this chat had constantly popping up even when I close it it pops up again with every new message and then I have to move it around and if it's down at the bottom of the screen i start typing in another app that I'm tapping on the chat head all the time and it's just a it's I don't like it as much as i did when i launched i really don't i don't know what it is i just think the notification shade is there for exactly that kind of thing bing oh I have a notification cool when you look up there okay I'll either to deal with an hour I'll deal with it later with the chat head it's like you have a notification and it's going to pop up right under your thumb or very nearby it and you have to either move the head or you have to tap on it like its I don't know move the head move the head or tap on it make your choice I just found out of this news the greatest irony in a month ago we had Adam Wainwright a editorial about how Windows Phone doesn't really need a separate facebook Messenger app and a facebook was smart it could integrate them all into the same thing yet now we see that Windows Phone is the one platform Facebook is not forcing this separate separation haunted uh if you do it your own way not yet but the rumor is that the next major version will will you know we're lagging behind with stuff you know I guess I like the way things are going in in windows mobile with windows small windows phone um could you that made mainly because come on I mean the power windows phone is that the People Hub is like it's it's what three years old its functionality is three years old there are a lot of things you can't really do with it right you know fave a tweet no I mean if it's going you know if windows phone is going to continue being that slow platform then the smartest thing is to just leave it alone number one or number two to do a you know HTC and motorola and certain companies are doing which is making the services part of their stores and where you won't have to wait for a major upgrade to the operating system to get updates for those services yeah and I think these are problems that that that firm is probably working on but I'm just much more interested in what what this means for facebook on the whole like we're now in a situation where software builders at OMS are taking their cues from facebook because it's big enough and facebook Messenger is becoming big enough to to be a force for change and that's only going to get more pronounced with the whatsapp acquisition you know about to say that exactly i really want to see how they plan to integrate that because whatsapp is already cool on its own I mean I would rather delete facebook Messenger and keep whatsapp but let's see how that goes yeah I heard something about FTC putting the kibosh on to what extent Facebook might be able to use the whatsapp user base and their data for future stuff so it might not be as easy as Facebook hope things to be but probably not but that you know they've got staying power they can stick around fix it yeah well let's talk about Hardware a little bit the project are a prototype yeah and i'm rather excited about this what is the deal things are happening weeks away what is happening Stephen yeah we are at a very exciting time in the development of project ara right now the module developer kit just came out the other day this is giving hardware guys the tools they need to start developing the individual modules will slide into the ARA endoskeleton and give it all the functionality that you could possibly hope for the endoskeleton itself with the modules that Google has been developing should finally be in a fully working prototype stage in just a matter of weeks and we've seen a lot of it already with you know wires hanging out of it hooked up to silly scopes and whatnot but we haven't really seen it you know just working like a regular Android phone and that could be happening really soon we've got this developer conference kicking off on the fifteenth there'll be some videos being published phonebloks promise they're gonna host some videos from there so a lot of cool stuff is happening right now so this is published by the MIT Technology Review but where is this where's this conference happening on the 15th oh I don't know somewhere California I assume I was gonna save I wish it were happening at MIT because then I could just walk down the road and go Joe yeah lucky you awesome lucky it's funny I actually asked this question yesterday on the pocket now daily because other news of project are is that the developer kid is out there so you know other companies can now now the guidelines as to how to build things for project ara and yes I asked the question I mean do are people really interested in modular phones and it's you know I'm impressed at how many people actually want this yeah you know I find project are to be cool but the man the phone looks so ugly it's just I I don't know never cared how my smartphone looks this is exactly what I've been looking for in a phone are you still wrong I still had my droid are you still using a droid because if so then I clearly understand why dude I liked how the droid looked it was unapologetically ugly yet I like that's an interesting perspective Steven cuz I'm on the exact opposite side I need my phone to look good and to feel good in terms of hardware build and fit and finish and stuff like that so nice but I'm gonna take something like this over a sleek comfortable phone any day see now if my phone looks good i will put up with so much it can it can crash every app can crash every two minutes if it looks awesome there's just me you know i would have less about our choice in relationships yeah what does it say about is those people you remember when the rumors of moto maker came and you know I I envisioned an idea where shoot I could ask my phone with whatever megapixel camera I want and whatever size battery I want and that's really what i would have preferred for a company to give us that option like what we can do with computers right now you want a bigger processor just pay for it you wanted more ram just paid now i'm gonna trick out my casing i want to have cooling fans on my phone that are backlit by fluorescence and honest that's what i want i'm just waiting for the oneplus one with its denim that's gonna be yes and what i'm really going to be annoyed if one plus one beats motorola to that because with the minute motorola started teasing the moto x with having alternative materials we've been saying on the show for months like give us denim give us a denim folks it gets 30 just throw it in the washing machine yeah like a wash denim are you mad it was there a guy who wore a pair of jeans for something like 10 years or something or maybe a year without washing them oh my god can you imagine that smell well apparently they were fine yeah that's me that they're stuck to my legs let's talk about something else unless I'm a you had a point of view by the way Michael mountain view is where the conference is up well I'm not going there okay I wish it was happened to get amenity that would be cool yeah HTML chrome a bunch of stuff speaking of project ara there's another project called Project Hera and this story I don't know Stephen considering what we've talked about since you posted it the story might be half not right right anymore no no not necessarily so this is about this report that came out a little earlier this week about this massive change to a lot about Android how apps communicate with the web how we get notifications how multitasking works and it's all very odd and confusing and centered around the idea of chrome or a very tweet specific version of chromium acting as some sort of app hub whereas in normal apps or html5 based apps tell this Hera chromium browser thing what to do it actually does it then and it would give us benefits like making our experience with the apps more easily sync across platforms we could do stuff on the pc and then pick it up on the phone but it's it's weird it's not at all how Android works right now and yeah the UI concept in the header image from android police is interesting this mock-up of like yeah these are all mock-ups so michael was referring to there is we there was a pic posted on reddit the other day claiming that the the gmail this is also tied to a previous leak that I think geek com or recode someone had about an upcoming revamp for the the gmail UI which then later was assumed to be tied into this Hera thing so the actual screen shots we've seen our inconsistent they might not all be telling the same story but this rumor persists but I don't know what to make of it I don't know what to make of it either i guess my question is does android need a massive revamp like this I wouldn't have thought as much but do might have a vision for where wants things to go that just you know if we leave androids evolution to its you know current devices it's not going to get there without this big well just just remember I mean who is the current leader of Android centaur vechiles he built the you know Chromebooks and I guess what they're looking for is probably some sort of integration with Chromebooks and we thought that it was gonna be the other way around and I guess it's not right right mmm that's a good point and also you have well now that's true and and I'm looking at every platform now and this is a similarity that's been striking me across the past couple weeks which is that every platform is is similar in a couple different ways you have almost without exception a home screen area to play and it kind of do what you want and customize it to your liking and you have a multitasking screen that shows you what's running and you can close the stuff and you have an apt or a tray or drawer list where all your apps live and now we're very soon every platform will have a notification center too so there's these concepts that that kind of permeate the all of them whether you talk my blackberry Windows Phone Android or iOS and is it time that we had someone come out of left field once again and say we're doing something completely different we're making I don't know notifications the center of the experience you know now one question I mean aren't you sort of bored with the current you eyes and the way they are I mean they've existed for what 76 years that's not only what I mean yeah I know but I mean considering everyone uses a variation on the theme now yeah it does have the potential to get boring right you know it's it's the longest time that it slow you know that a UI is lasted like like the paradigm of the UI has lasted and ensure it's good it's practical but it's not perfect there are some caveats to it yeah I I don't know how I feel about it because on the one hand you can efficiently manage your tasks you can anyone can pretty much pick up any smartphone I remember my friend dropped her iphone in the toilet the other day and she needed a phone really bad and look at yeah I know so it's like okay borrowed this at Eve Odyssey you know prep for such a bad friend for for the day really come on but the point is we have given her a bit oh that's the point the only smartphone she's ever used in her life was the iphone and windows phone pretty much can't be any more different you can't get any more diff from iOS and Windows Phone I don't think and then then she picked it up and in a matter of minutes was using it just fine so she was complaining about in a matter of hours right and now I think she liked it actually I'm sure Santa karate I thought but the point is you know that that interoperability is valuable and if you have a platform that completely reinvents the wheel like and I'll say it again like webos did for all the great things webos brought to the experience it also brought a very very steep learning curve that made it difficult to sell at retail you had gesture driven stuff people didn't know where to look for a home button and they didn't know to swipe up from the bottom and stuff so when you completely reinvent the wheel you run that risk and it's a very real risk so and it's it's happened for years i mean i was i was looking at these quotes um gizmodo posted these quotes a couple of days ago of the 10 the 10 biggest publication mistakes in history and one of them was like oh God look at least Truman no I don't know what it was but it was like there was this quote from a journalist like 30 years ago that was like this new computer from Apple includes some pointing device that's extremely odd it's called a mouse and we believe people will not like it oh yeah oh those are fun yeah yeah so you're right so that's the counterpoint right you would sometimes when you reinvent the wheel it works it sticks and then everyone copies you and then it becomes a standard and your you get to be the Trailblazer Trailblazer then right but the mouse of course didn't didn't stop apple from almost dying shortly thereafter right it could've did and it took like what five six years to become the mainstream in Windows I Windows 3.1 to come on to come on board because it never did on the Mac actually so I guess the point is you there's still any number of possibilities for where mobile UI design is going it we could see a reinvention like this would Android be the one to do it though could be I mean they have the willpower they have a lot of stuff to their favor right now and they've got ya know you have matias duarte as well who's you know repeat after me Matias Duarte Matias Duarte I can't rule my are a little bit like a mad water tea I can my yes love my dear Saturday I like that that's nice you should say every every name that I can't say hey Stephen can you stick around for windows or do you have to jet yeah I can hold on review all right well let's give Windows Windows Windows well let's give a few minutes to Windows a few minutes it's only fair it's only there is it over yet I really shut up I'm it I I really like this first news face a windows phone to start flirting with super super thin handsets ? fortunately I don't think it's gonna happen we got bed ridges lawd alright what's what's the story so this Chinese mark phone company called neo has this m1 phone coming up soon I don't think it launched yet but it had been presented as an android phone and then all of a sudden this sort of not really official render shows up with supposedly depicting the same hardware running Windows Phone it was on the Neo of the company's forums but I don't know this early means that an employee posted it people pointed out the colors are a long are a little off the live tiles there so is this like one of those mock-ups of the HTC One m8 with live tiles yeah it might be like that but then again we're also getting to a point here where Microsoft is getting a lot less strict with how it controls who's making what hardware Windows Phone we're off all these new OEM is popping up supposedly we were going to get those you know dual Android Windows Phone and sets that I guess aren't going to happen but that this is sort of in the same light as that and there was a phone a couple months ago it wasn't running Windows Phone but it was the same hardware they could support android or windows mobile embedded whatever they call that oh yeah so it wasn't that the plan anyways for Windows Phone to at some point be able to be installed on any old droid phone as long as your paperwork right that was supposed to be one of the highlights of 8.1 and the move to the the virtual buttons is then we could support Android hardware by you know that also uses the same virtual buttons we don't have to have the capacitive stuff in place so we've make it no more flexible and be able to be used on the same hardware as these other platforms so it's a plausible rumor in that light I'm not sure the evidence is necessarily very strong there I'm not sure it is either but the super thin business the notion of a five point nine millimeter thick smartphone running windows phone is would be amazing and you know if neo doesn't do it if this is just turns out to be some pipe dream that somebody dreamed up and put on the internet you know who should do it you know who should do it Steve Apple no although that would put a hole in the universe that might be interesting to say who should Sony oh these I you know I cannot get past these persistent rumors of Sony still developing windows found hardware or starting the process at least it would it's so wonderful and with Microsoft on a roll with announcing more and more hardware partners for windows phone man I feel like that would be the just the huge news over the year for this platform ok bo bo bo bo wait a second whenever windows phone 7 series was announced then you guys even remember that crazy name sure um you know there were a lot of hardware partners announced back then and a lot of them ended up getting uh you know I would love to see Sony come back i mean the xperia lineup was born with the windows mobile phone and they did probably one of the best iterations of Windows Mobile of its time with the whole card you I was really really cool and I remember how beautiful that phone was by the way it was made by HTC um but you know if we've been hearing so many rumors and it's been happening ever since Windows Phone 7 so it's it's really hard to predict now I don't know I think it's cool how some of those early OEMs around for the seven days I'm thinking about LG in particular go away Windows Phone 8 and now it's supposed to be coming back that says a lot for the platform its maturity it absolutely does and it's gotten to the point now where I can pick up a Windows Phone install the apps that I typically use and and with very few gaps be able to run my my life on it pretty well what I'm saying is it's really easy for you to just be like oh there's a you know for anybody to create a rumor that way just one this has been an ongoing thing for a couple months now talking about a sony windows phone for a couple of years now dude and I don't know if it's gonna happen especially with this new CEO um I think he's like really really stuck in tues Android um you know mentality I don't know if it's gonna happen that's gonna be weird wait are you talking about the new Microsoft's to you no no the new um the new so well the current Sony CEOs been there for two years okay I guess there's no there's no actual story in the rundown talking about this i just wanted to visit to speculate about that because if anyone was going to make a super thin windows phone it would i think it would be sony i don't think we're gonna see LG do that they're their priorities lie elsewhere in terms of as you said before i'm a battery life camera experience probably i'm sure display they're going to bring something interesting i think will be really cool to see LG like bust into the windows phone or return to the windows phone market in a really bombastic way i think it would be so cool if they just dropped science on everyone they were like oh hey what's up ok good to see you here's a 2k screen and then Snapdragon 805 an herbed screen verb screen windows phone oh my god yes and then then they're like oh my god wait windows phone doesn't support 2k sorry about that guys oh yeah listen to be screams stop torpedoing my dreams with your facts that's that's what the reality of Windows who I no longer hide in the curved screen then the curved screen can be at 1080p as long as it's curved I'm fine with it I'm curious I couldn't find an easy answer to this I wonder what the current thinnest windows phone handset is ooh that's a good question it's probably the Lumia 925 I would guess unless I'm sure there are manufacturers not forgetting i don't i don't think it would be with that hump that's that's odd well I know but no as it is average well you don't count them out the average stuff no the achieves are pretty chunky actually this thing I locust a few random Biggers and they're all like nine millimeter ish none stood out as really pushing the limits yeah good point Lumia 925 specs I bet it's the 925 though it's going to be my guess I love that note i love nokia spec pages they have everything you need on a nice clean page eight point five millimeters thick is what their and that's counting the hump it looks like so i really think the 925 is it but somebody out there knows better than we do and they can call it out maybe they may be huawei actually maybe in one of Huawei's because Huawei has those really thin ascend phones and they've got the the windows phone versions of those two so it could be speaking of not that let's talk about one of my favorite moves that nokia has ever made we're probably in the in the last few weeks if not days of nokia nokia handsets division being a nokia own thing I don't know is this ever gonna happen I know right but I'm a posted this story and it's I'm seriously this is great with the Lumia 930 just announced the international version of the icon essentially the company is going to be bundling qi wireless chargers in the box this is something we've been saying that they should have done on the beginning oh so is that happening with every 930 what's the deal well here's the thing when by the way this is apparently only going to happen in the UK okay we're at least and okay we're not it we're not sure um we're not it's not confirmed yet until they start doing it but um so now you will have the you will have a bundled wireless charger in the Box aside from the regular charger and this is just my god how long has it taken companies to figure this out you know if you bundle a regular charger on a you know on a box why would anybody want to spend 70 dollars on a separate charger only because it's a wireless charger this was the way to do it I mean I I would even consider just getting rid of the whole wall wart and and doing you know the world just bringing the wireless charger but obviously you need to have USB functionality yeah you got it that's that's that's the reason why the wires there but you know this is the only way that Wireless charges are going to be happening if you know if you start creating the necessity and that's what no kids doing they they really want to create a push they really want that you know while I was starting to have the justice that it deserves but you know again they need to create a compelling reason for people to want to buy it so the first yeah I first saw this I was very excited about the news for exactly the reason you get said that this seems like what you want to do if you want to make wireless charging really catch on but then I'm thinking this sounds very familiar isn't this kind of exactly what happened with the 920 because we had I mean it wasn't but it was only temporary and they did it only at the Microsoft Store back no 18 he was sending them but then when ATT brand out nokia stepped up to fulfill the orders directly but that was a play wasn't in the box oh yeah that's gonna be a big Jackie right it don't ask me a big enough difference though to make it catch on well I think it is so crucially different to have something right in the box ready to use on day one do you know how annoying it is to be promised like oh yeah you get a free wireless charging plate oh cool just order yeah right exactly you go to the store they give me your phone they look okay here's your voucher now you fill it out on this website in the Nokia sends it to you in six to eight weeks it's like what out of my face with this nonsense no you put it in the box you you tell people that the first thing they do when they take out of the box make sure you charge your phone before you use it hey here's this really easy way to do it just put it on this charging plate after you plug that into the wall and that is what hooks people right then you wait four weeks for the thing to get delivered you're already used to plugging it into the wall just like every other stupid phone that's every season yeah you know so yet has to be in the box and they needed to do this from the beginning I think this would have made a serious improvement in also perception you can't just be UK specific if they want this to be big well it right but the 930 is already a limited release device yeah you know I mean it's it's not well I don't know if that's the way to say it it's just it's not happening in the US so you know I'm a lot of publicity we did rise and give away anything with the icon maybe one supports it native wait a second one native is yes was verizon giving away that huge case that they sent to Taylor with the icon the Pelican case that was a nokia thing Nokia's been doing interesting stuff with Heather package review devices the 2520 came in a kind of a regular looking box but the box was made of aluminum bigger on the inside ya know so um but I think everyone is suffering from this unconscious emulation of the way palm did it with the and I'm not just bringing a palm to home because no no no man I'm serious when when the pre-launch did the touchstone was the thing like palm introduced wireless charging to the smartphone world but the touchstone was sold separately at an astronomically high cost of like 80 bucks or something probably because pom needed the money frankly and we've seen other larger manufacturers take that same model of like pricing these things really high and betting on the buzz around wireless charging to sell these accessories and it doesn't really make any sense because there has never been a lot of buzz around it because no one's done it right exactly exactly so I really hope that this experiment works well for nokia well enough that when microsoft when the integration happens and we can finally call nokia you know microsoft hardware division that microsoft looks at the data data and says okay every windows phone from here on out that supports wireless charging is going to have a wireless charger in the box I just think that makes so much sense and Microsoft is already accustomed to losing money on things and you know taking losses to drive market yeah it's good for it yeah I don't I just couldn't be more excited about and yes even the answer your question the icon does have native chi and i've been using i have an icon again and i've been using it the nonstop it is great no then don't just love the fact that nokia is going back to its roots of bringing the functionality within the phone and not having to add an accessory to get wireless solutely because there's nothing less convenient than detaching a cradle to enable a feature that should be bundled it listen it this is just like up for example which they try to remember guys which was the first phone that you guys own that included vibrating capabilities when you got a phone call my very first one yeah I want to say the same yeah wait a second how old are you guys my first dumb phone was 2003 okay my first dumb phone was 1997 and back then it wasn't included in phones you had to get a battery right you had to buy a battery vibrating battery a vibrating battery but so here's the cool thing I mean this is one thing that you would constantly use meaning it was still a battery and all it did was happy added functionality it had this little hump at the back but right is the problem with wireless charging is precisely that you don't remember about the charger unless until you go back home at night and you put the phone to charge but then other than that it's really pointless to spend so much money on an accessory that you won't you will only use every now and then so you know for me the functionality like for example of that cup holders like wow that's genius because it's something that you you know that doesn't bother you that's always there you're always in your car most of the time and yeah you know it adds the functionality of placing your phone somewhere that that will allow you to do that but other than that man that's the reason why it hasn't taken off and and again unless they figure out a way to do it like that and your car something something can you know convenient i I me I need a bathroom one of those things and they're trying and trying like but but but this stupid standards war that exists is doing the opposite of what it should it's not driving innovation it's it end and it's not prompting competition that's doing anything meaningful it's just resulting in a fracturing a fragmentation of standards across devices and now we have stupid charging pads and Starbucks that no one uses because they use the wrong wireless charging standard and you need a stupid cradle on your iPhone to make it happen it's just aa dumb stupid stuff just choose one of them and let's go with it you know let's talk let's have a wireless charging specific episode at some point the future in the meantime Steven tell us about the schedule for eight dot one to have preview yeah we're finally narrowing down on Windows is coming out it's been rumored for the past couple weeks before a couple dates Windows ranges first half of the month last half of the month whatever Joe Belfiore went on Twitter yesterday said the Windows Phone 8.1 Developer Preview quote-unquote early next week we already heard fourteenth and fifteenth makes it as possibilities so this bitch right in with that so get your phone set up register for that developer account download the the preview for developers app and you will be all set to install 8.1 as soon as it's available and you very handily bundled some links into your piece on that so it's the least I could do appreciate that if you're a windows phone user and you read Stevens piece or or the link in the rundown of this podcast from your Windows Phone you can just very easily join the developer program get that app on your phone and be ready to install the eight done one dev preview when it does drop when I would opt are they yeah you and you will void your warranty but it's worth it it's worth Lauren th more indie it's very safe this is code come from Microsoft I've never heard anyone having a problem installing this so yeah knock on wood you should be fine true we have finally to close out the windows category we've heard a lot about the verizon samsung achieve SE lately right sant on dinadh including some leaked official press renders which make the thing look a lot like old achieves there for better or worse there's samsung is stickin with the achieve design language looks like the galaxy s4 look a lot like the galaxy s4 with a hairline aluminum finish on the back which is not real metal no doubt a low-key introduction rising just dumped this thing on the market there was no announcement you know what pre-orders are open i don't know i don't know if it's verizon dude or samsung it's a samsung has i'm sorry it's just like lazily just squeezing out these windows phones every so they're like existing no we still like them yeah and but wait a second and there is nothing low-key about this phone dudes i mean i'm in 1080p mo layout 2.0 three gigahertz quad-core two gigs of ram 60 60 story microsd up to 64 gigs 13-megapixel camera 2600 milliamp hour battery yeah that's a decent spec sheet it's a pretty much a galaxy s4 running Windows Mobile exactly's Windows Windows Phone Windows Phone yeah how many times and sorry about that you know when I saw these rumors of the atif SC I was like men what are these guys planning to do the buttons are still there and I thought that this was going to be a windows phone 8.1 device but it turns out to be a windows phone 8 eventually upgradeable blood but the phone looks cool man I don't see anything wrong with it I'm really sad that Samsung is not giving these phones enough justice I mean there was nothing wrong about the original achieve the TFS I've got quite a high score for me I thought it was a phenomenal thing but you know the thing is in retrospect I would have dinged it a little bit more for for design because it's just generic now you know what the cool thing is apparently this phone includes the watch on application you know that the IR remote and everything oh that is good yeah yeah because Samsung does a really good job at building yeah that particular app suite so good so if you pre-order now if you're on verizon you really want to Windows Phone you don't want the blue me icon you want something shoes yeah allergies that you really want to Lumia at the Nativity icon it'll ship by April 12 which is tomorrow is the net the day after we record this podcast which is pretty cool yes we've asked for review units verizon doesn't have them yet and samsung would directs us to verizon so now i will get ordering the phone because i'm making the people in the warehouse work on a Saturday to ship these things are you going to order on a stephen are you getting one for yourself no not now okay that's the reason this or the Lumia icon Tony asks so leave your leave your comments below that that piece no wireless charging in this one right womp womp womp indeed no all right let's uh I'm I want you to take us home with a little bit of iOS news iOS news oh my god Wes tonight can I just say that I think this I think the story is totally bogus I just can't be real so here's the thing i don't think the price tag is so by the way these are three pieces of news that but that are pertaining to iOS and i would recommend that you guys you know read it on talking now because it's extremely detailed so there's this it's not really news these are predictions but the problem is the the predictions are coming from the source that's pretty much nailed it for like the past four years yeah on everything to expect from the next generation iPads the next generation iphones and the iWatch and so you know to start with the ipad just to run down quickly you're getting touch ID we're getting the same designs and we're getting the a8 chip and for those of you that are waiting for the 12 point nine inch ipad you're gonna have to wait till 2015 apparently um then when it comes to the iphone of interesting so yes we are getting the new designs but apparently the 5.5 inch iphone is going to be the first iphone to ever buy to a standard and actually give you a 1080p play and apparently Apple is planning to push this phone to be like the highest end phone because the other phone which is the 4.7 inch device will include the same 326ppi resolution only a little bloated with its new resolution but so it's it's funny how Apple wants to continue that 326 pixel french design where we have how much do you have on that m8 or that Oppo find 7 how what's the PPI on that thing actually I don't know but the fine it's the fine 7a so it's not the 2k it is the 10 y yeah well I don't care but yeah but but the thing is you know finally at was so apparently Apple figured out a way and and the reason why it's 4.7 inch and 5.5 inches actually because these were the screen sizes that would allow for applications to not have to be rebuilt to fit the new resolution oh cuz this is the yeah that was the sticking point we were talking about for ages right yeah yeah so this is finally happening but on the underwhelming side apparently this iphone 5 this iphone 6 is going to keep the same 8-megapixel of 1.5 how do you say it minions or how do you know electrons microns right right yeah yeah microns so apparently that's that's happening so cool we'll see how that iphone 6 happens but apparently the launches will be separate what is going to happen first a 4.7 inch and then the other one's gonna happen later which I don't know how I was gonna do that but you know the cool thing about this so the iWatch news is that apparently Apple is going to make two watches what is going to be a 1.3 inch and one is going to be a 1.5 inch witches like my god can somebody give these news to Samsung to actually copy this because not everybody wants like a huge smartwatch and like us monkeys are so new I don't yet have a good conception in my mind of what's a good screen size for them and how big is 1.5 on my wrist anyway with the phones were used to it we know we're getting with 4.7 and five then right I don't know about well so what we'll see about that apparently it's gonna have it's gonna be Apple's first AMOLED display that's not going to be built by Samsung only the controller is going to be made by samsung by the way like 200 250 million power battery apparently it's gonna work with the mac the iPhone the iPad but you know even more interesting is that apparently Apple is finally going to consider NFC ah really it shot yes it's it's finally going to consider NFC and that even includes the iphone apparently the iphones are going to be the first ones to include NFC so you know apparently this is what's coming but you know the the what Michael says is apparently bogus is that it seems that the 1.5 inch SmartWatch is going to cost thousands of dollars there's no friggin way there's no way no way is that we're gonna release a watch because of Thousand Oaks yeah nobody is going I mean can you imagine do you look like for example you know that the the Voyager what is it the Explorer edition of Google glass is now on sale for everybody or it will be next week next week it will be but who's going to pay $1,500 for a pair of glasses that make you look really stupid a lot of people are saying that this is actually a pretty smart move on Google's part because they're opening up to everybody and it's a very very easy way to gauge actual interest and I think that's so enthusiastic I think that interest is going to be 10 i think the interest is gonna be pretty low don't get me wrong but it's a good way to gauge it though right and it's the same thing with its it's the same thing with the iWatch who is going to pay so i could pay a thousand something dollars even a thousand something dollars for full fledged computer is expensive it's exactly right Apple's got like those four thousand dollar little plastic looking computers what is that the mac pro what would the trash not a plastic looking computer that's another thing of the thing of you think you t know well but the mac pro can do like he can can fly of the Space Shuttle you know yeah you get a lot for your money that you I think you'd be paying a lot and you have a little thing on your wrist yeah exactly right yeah here's the thing so there are other rumors that this i watch will include like a UV exposure sensor and you know it seems like if Apple it sounds like an apple is trying to create I don't know like the sort of device that is not only just health oriented it's not just the pedometer and it's not just the heart rate monitor but apparently it like trying to create a tool for people that have you know any sort of medical condition yeah they're not going to do that like I I still I think that's bogus too that's a samsung move you know that that's something where it's like okay cool some people are fitness addicts who do our thing so we're gonna put a heart sensor on the back of this phone but but it's a bogus hard sensor man that's not even the real you can do that with any smartphone camera in a flash no sensor is where the money's at right but no I think it makes a degree of sense for this for samsung to integrate it into their watches but that's a very that's something that's woven into their DNA that's Apple is I think much more conservative in terms of the types of features they bundle in and much more aggressive in perfecting whatever features they decide to include all right but here's the thing how can you how can you reinvent the SmartWatch I mean because it is not even done being invented yeah you know it's still so new that anyone can do anything well that's the thing I mean it happened with mp3 players they weren't done being invented and then Apple finally figured it out with the icon and the same thing happened with computers and with smartphones so I guess the question is what could this i watch do that current smartwatches or done wat just can't do I mean I'm you know now I'm not even willing to pay a thousand dollars for freaking Rolex what am I why am I going to pay a dollar you're not I think we need to throw that out the door right now because that's totally BS but we're not sure it is it a jersey laser that can cut through the bottom of a train from golden Oh bingo exactly right yes a laser watch nice think of that oh you guys haven't seen the new captain america right not yet no spoilers I want to go see that I forgot a pax though this weekend I'm not covering it but I'm just going taxis in a region yeah so I think that's its but i may do you have any the final thought do you have any doubt that this is the gonna be the year we see the i watch this is going to be the okay so iOS 8 has no point in existing with a toll health book and everything which is being rumored by 9to5 mac there's just no point in its existence without a health monitor I mean you can't just strap the iPhone to your arm and use it as a health monitor you need a wearable right so you know I for me to wait for so for me to wait for the i watch until the end of the year which is what this guy's predicting is something that doesn't make sense iOS 8 is going to be announced at WWDC that's just though it's gonna happen it's happened every year it's there's that that's when developers come over so you this is like the smartest time for you to launch an iWatch whenever you want to teach people what to do with it and when is Windows WWDC again it's happening the second week of june all right well that's if we see another watch announcement there I'm gonna be really except i'll tell you this you're on the first generation iphone was launched it was announced in january and not launched the market until june june oh so because of all the pens and everything um I think you know I think this product could be revolutionary enough to to warrant Apple to announce something in june for it not to be available until until I mean when they launched the iPad we have to wait like four months for the ipad is right no no this is definitely a category defining a category redefining maybe product that they would absolutely take that delay hit on they don't mind that especially if they can come in and drink Motorola's milkshake by doing it with Android wear devices starting to hit the scene this summer Apple needs to step up and distract everyone exactly right they need to stop everyone from yeah because they don't want to be in a situation where they launched the iWatch in whatever august or September but everyone's already bought a moto 360 and like three people have bought the lg1 everybody lost the thing is it doesn't look terrible it looks it looks plenty of mine but next to the Moto 360 it looks like the most boring thing I've ever seen anything looks horrible excitedly sees the LG watch them what your 60 ones are all renders I don't care I don't it doesn't matter when a render looks that good I want oh man you want the render you don't know that's exactly right yeah right you should just clear some oculus rifts and get preggers just watch on your wrist it's actually gonna be that were do me fine too and now I could I can get my facebook status updates as i look at my fake nails yeah honest alright guys we got everybody's gonna see you down the street and be like oh there goes mr. pocket now yeah mr. pocket now well gentlemen thank you for joining me I think we all 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