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but of course Huawei was not the only company well I mean Huawei is actually going to be a major talking point for heavy discuss but outside of laptops this was a humongous week for convertibles or sort of tablet PCs whatever it is that we're going to call this new product segment and because you know we focus mostly on smartphones tablets and wearables in the coverage that I produce and that highly produces and the joules helps us put together we had to bring on someone more educated and more experienced in the world of convertible computing gear and that's one mr. Adam Lane editor at pocket now Hey well thanks for joining is it's like we we haven't actually properly gotten to work together since the the challenge video that we did we're having a Windows Phone camera up against a flaw way you don't count be a Galaxy S II well no see that's that was what was kind of a bummer is that like we we had the shooting schedule so I mean we were in the same building but I didn't get to really work with you I'm putting together any videos I was like on the opposite side of the hall trying to shoot like a two minute comparison video um so no I'm really stoked to have you back on because you're sort of the you're my counterpart in the world of photography the editor that's actually been doing more of our sort of photography conversation camera conversation stuff like that and then I got to see you playing with some killer killer slate PC gear at that Samsung event with the so first of all before we even jump in I need you to settle a debate for me right now Wacom or Wacom welcome Wacom okay that's what I've been saying I have a friend who swears that it's Wacom that Wacom tablets and I've been telling him for the better part of a couple years that he is and so now I am happy to have the expert weigh in on that sequel on YouTube used to try to correct me too I'm like no you're wrong no it's a comedy night of two words why is it Chinese word I forgot what it means I think it means harmony okay and calm is short for computer okay so the the harmonious nosov using your computer to introduce illustrations and graphics and that's where we get Wacom I believe that's the story right on no nns also it's just kind of fun like you know it's one of those things someone tries to correct you and you're like well I would agree with you if you were right and unfortunately or not yes all the all the employees know how to pronounce it correctly so exactly as well it was a number times it was when I was a voice-over producer used to get into these debates with people is it Hyundai's at high end I how am I supposed to say this guy name and like that was just for an audition so first I want to jump right in we've got I've got my list here right in front of me we've got the Samsung Galaxy book we do have the other huawei the mate book II which stands in sort of stark difference to the more laptop designed wall ways that we were talking about earlier in the podcast the new surface pro is out and there's even another crowdfunded convertible that's going up on indiegogo I'd like to kick this right off with the the Samsung because I did actually get to spend a little bit of time with that Samsung Galaxy book during in Barcelona for for M Debra no see and you got to spend a lot more time you actually dig into what this thing can do and I really wanted to get your your impressions of it obviously you know I want people to go and catch the review because I think you put together a phenomenal review but in a nutshell for the podcast listeners in the podcast viewers Samsung has a rich history of building Windows PCs and and nice laptops and now they think they're bringing some more of their tablet expertise to the table here yes they've had some good Windows 7 tablets a long time ago - there was the slate 7 but this new galaxy book the screen is just really gorgeous so super amoled I mean I don't think there's anything else with this large of a Super AMOLED screen on it and it's also the first time they got the s-pen from the note on to a large Windows 10 PC and it's pretty nice it's not as nice as the much more expensive Wacom but it still look good it's like a cheaper version of Wacom technology so their licensing licensing welcome screen tech and the pen heck which is the same as the s-pen but well and because they welcome like set the standard for that common touch computing so if any company really wanted to get a jump start it would make sense to license that digitizer right right and that's what Microsoft did at the beginning to the original surface pro and the surface pro 2 both had Wacom technology in there gotcha gotcha gotcha so you know and and I guess I should let let our viewers know by trade you are a photographer and I've seen you really dig into this kind of gear so I mean this is like for something to to perform well for your job I mean it really has to live up to sort of a designer graphic design mentality as spen because I know s-pen is built around that idea of mobility productivity right like I pulled this pin out of my phone and I can jot down some quick notes or I can select a view of the screen so that I can quickly crop or make a an animated gif or something like that now when we expand the screen size does that help flesh out the rest of the s-pen usage bringing it more in line with what like a proper graphics tablet would deliver for a creative professional yes it it's nicely supported in Photoshop and painter and all the pressure-sensitive high-end graphics programs so it works really well with that it they did also do that same kind of screenshot spen what they call it again well I mean he does Mars just parcel smart select yes yes my selected screen right they brought that to Windows 10 as well for the galaxy book so the same kind of thing they have in the note but I don't think it's that useful on Windows 10 well I was just going to ask so I mean like I think consumers so you know I'm sort of wrapping up our main review coverage and comparisons for the Galaxy s8 and the s8 plus and the more I use those phones the more I can I can kind of say you know like there's a bunch of stuff on these phones that I know a lot of people might say is bloat or is unnecessary or is a duplicate kind of service or just kind of clogs things up but when I talk to people who use Samsung phones it's rare that they use every feature but there's always one feature that they love about their Samsung that they can't get on anything else so you it's your opinion like some of those features don't necessarily translate to a more robust computing environment does Windows 10 get in the way or does this just feel like Samsung hasn't found a way to properly integrate this into a more tablet laptop style user interface I think a lot of things that they added we're already there in Windows 10 like the ink workspace is already there and that already goes to the screen writing the screen capture it doesn't do the animated chip thing but how often do you need to do that I don't know I mean like if you surf around on Reddit there's like a whole talk of other people though and maybe apparently live off of their reddit internet points by making tasty means of fun and Jess that's true and the Sampson Notes app doesn't seem to sync rise with anything so just use OneNote instead you know one no gotcha much more powerful so they're there but they're not really necessary the other thing they added was the same from the flow app which is a pretty nice idea that links it with the galaxy s I think six and higher mm-hmm so you can get messages on the tablet on Windows 10 and you can use the fingerprint scanner to log in you know that way mm-hmm I don't know how useful that is you know you need this specific Sanson phone right were you using a because I know you word you're one of the last holdouts that was keen Windows Phone yeah I didn't have a galaxy of that note to try to really work with but I've seen a use at the similar so this wasn't enough to convince you to like go full bore into the Samsung ecosystem then now so I just yeah just a couple other quick questions before we move off from the galaxy book it's it's been something that that I found a little frustrating like I almost picked up a surface book when I was shopping for a new laptop and one of the things that I really wanted was Thunderbolt or at least USB C ports on my laptop so I ended up not going with that do you think that the hardware layout for galaxy book really does fulfill that mixed-mode usage because it's not like it's got the same sort of like hinge and we're going to be talking about the surface pro 4 which i think is sort of setting the standard for the sort of hybrid idea of a device this is this is a little bit more in Samsung and Apple's tablet II territory with magnetic keyboard covers and the one additional USB C port there's always the fear is this going to be a jack of all trades master of none is this going to be really flexible enough to pull off multi modes of different kinds of computer tablet usage does Windows 10 is Windows 10 able to hang with that experience that it doesn't feel aggi in some areas are sort of overpowered in others what were your experience is kind of like trying to adopt this hardware into a daily usage strategy I've been using it for about a week the keyboard the way the stand is it's not really good for sending on your lap and that was true with the original surface pro yeah most of them afterwards but that's true with the no iPad pro in any kind of tablet keyboard stand as well so it's not so good for that but if you're going to set it on the desk it's totally fine and this new keyboard is much better than the previous one nice and the kickstand is much better than previous one it doesn't fall over as easily oh yeah galaxy tabpro s um as far as the other questions you can switch it to desktop mode really easily I kind of like it in tablet mode for all the easier touch features but switching into desktop mode it's just like a laptop you know sitting on your desk it's can do everything it comes with Windows 10 home so they don't have virtual machine but you can always upgrade it's it's been pretty good now when we're looking at something so I I was very critical of the the surface laptop I don't know if you were following that kind of those those Hardware announcements as closely um I feel like if I were going to be spending a not insignificant sum of money more premium devices this is kind of the direction I'd rather I'd rather head in I don't know how apt I am to really use a lot of tablet mode that's not really a lot of my usage but I like having the flexibility to move back and forth even on on my laptop I've got a razor a razor blade and even for that not being a convertible or a multimode kind of computer I still really like the ability to reach up and touch the screen for some things come back down use a traditional laptop keyboard and trackpad for other things and that it's got some particular hardware onboard do you feel like Samsung's strategy here is moving them in the right direction against this kind of competition or should we still be making more noise about more traditional laptop style solutions I think they're going in the right direction hat they also do the laptops so they got mm-hmm they got their faces covered but yeah the book is it's really nice and portable it's a little bit thicker and heavier than the count status that they released last year but it's a lot more powerful - it's a much better design so yeah and so and so you were ready to just drop your Wacom and be like the Samsung is totally there now I'm going to do good now I know this yeah I chose people like when you when you screenshotted that Wacom tablet has those 3d scanning cameras on the base and I still been showing people like we're in the middle of this this show floor and he's got it right there and it's excellent we're in the middle of the show floor and he just kind of waves this tablet around me and all of a sudden there's this blobby model of me sitting trying to drink you know chugging a cup of coffee at this a countertop table and it was just incredible like I don't think I'd ever seen anything really work real-world like that before and it's just not something I've ever had the chance to play with so we did spend a little time talking about the the Huawei make book X and the make book D these are more MacBook competitors but I definitely wanted to get your your take on the mate book Yi which was also another announcement that they had for their modular system their modular computer again another this is a core m3 up to a core i5 I believe with a 12 inch screen and some specs that look like they're trying to position this against products like what we were just talking about like the galaxy book service proclaims exactly and will ever ever since what was the surface pro 3 that I think what Dell had a solution out or HP had a solution out lenovo has always been in the mix with yoga and twist style computers and solutions like I've got the the Lenovo yoga book right here which doesn't even have a keyboard it's just got that really crazy touch sensor coating on the bottom and I don't like typing on it but I like doing a lot of other things on it so this has been kind of a fun thing to play with here but I'm still looking for that killer combination of portability and being able to get work done what were your thoughts on on mate book ii huawei isn't necessarily the the biggest name player when it comes to computers they're just starting to arrive into smartphones in North America well I think last year was blurred first here's the old one yeah it was their first computer the original mate book and I was really impressed it was a I thought it was really well done I mean what were some ones digit because like I said I I I know Huawei really well from phones over the last two years but I've never had the opportunity to handle a mate book or play with anything else what what were some of the differences on that made book mate book versus say a competing product like like a surface for example from last year I think that it's a lot like what Samson is doing with the galaxy book so we got the leather foldable cover and you gotta flip it down over there to make the stand so it's okay well like that and then the keyboard is obviously there and it's got the trackpad so ends attachable of course nice so this is very thin its mm iPad pro shaped you know like all of them I guess no camera on the back which is great really you're not you're not a fan of cameras on tablets there well I knew you had you had good taste that's why I wanted you on this podcast and the pen on this one was really unique it's got a laser pointer in it well you know a careful with laser pointers man you don't want to like fry your webcam there and it's got little buttons that can be right click and there's a customizable and it even has bluetooth control for remote control of PowerPoint presentations from the pan oh that's cool which is yeah that was pretty innovative and it so nicely so it seems to me like Huawei is trying to deliver a slightly more corporate focused aesthetic than what Samsung is trying to do I don't know I mean the Samsung ones are all just straight black and while ways doing this brown kind of various colors what other colors that have for the e they have like fly rear four colors let me see if I can pull it up while we're chatting here but but in delivering something that you know seem to be a little bit more leather I think they're going for some more slightly more Apple styled color schemes than what Samsung is trying to do especially what with Samsung I think playing this round very simple I don't think I have any it looks like it's gray and gold the folio trims are brown blue brown and pink pink isn't very that's not a very very business you can make oh well I don't know maybe maybe there's a magazine editor out there that just absolutely has to have pink a pink laptop guy laptop case uh but in looking at where um where Huawei was with that what's is that a docker yeah yeah they got a port expander oh that's kind of cool VGA so they're new one is designed a little differently because the old one had ports right here so you couldn't really plug something in that at that point in time so they revamped the design of their new one that's interesting that they like I'm wondering how many people are really still using VGA I know presentation gear I thought about that too but if you're in a business or a school they probably have projectors in all the rooms and those projectors are probably old yeah a bit of me like even for the last time I taught at an acting workshop about a year ago and it was in this dis old old like theater and everything there had at least HDMI he even even in this old like busted black box theater I was like yeah you need to plug into a projector I've got HDMI and I've got like Apple DisplayPort yeah I got okay awesome yeah I think we'll be fine all right great good deal so what what do you think about some of the some of the updates the refresh on the mate Book II again I mean I this doesn't look like always trying to make the play like back when Windows 8 was really getting translated into low-cost atom chipset you know mini tablets you could pick up my wife used a Toshiba that was like $100 and she loved that thing on the 8 inch ones yeah exactly the one of the big arguments I think was you know if you were one of these other players you weren't Apple you weren't Samsung you weren't Microsoft you were going to make the play on price ultra low power hardware and kind of cheap maybe even starting to push into the more disposable and of the tech of the tech ecosystem but they're saying that this this next Huawei is going to be priced at 999 euro to start so it really doesn't seem like Huawei feels that they need to make the argument that that they're cheap you know that that's not the the impression you should get from a Chinese manufacturer anymore that they can compete with bigger players yeah they're going for the good quality tablet that can replace your laptop kind of thing just like yeah that's true well and in in that even there they're pricing because both the surface pro and the mate book ii start with core m3s but this is this is already it's looking like it's going to be priced at least a couple hundred dollars higher than what or a couple hundred euro higher than what Microsoft is going to deliver the certain the entry-level surface pro 4 huh but the mate book comes with the keyboard and a pen right oh that's true that's really got a factor in the price so if we calculate it that way it might be a lot closer and then they're really right on board but I was impressed it's like they're talking MIMO antennas they're talking what is this Windows 10 Signature Edition I'm not entirely sure well that that's just that just means there's no bloatware oh so there that that's also the counter-argument to a lenovo where it's like i've never I mean think pads are usually okay but like what was the Y 700 that I reviewed back in the day that was a pretty well infested this is when I get into what was pre-installed um so I think it you know this this is an interesting commentary and since we were already sort of bringing that up as the price comparison I think we need to to go ahead and talk about the 900-pound gorilla in the room which is the new surface pro and that Microsoft has been making some changes to this product line this isn't some radical redesign over previous the even I would say even from the surface pro 3 this looks like it's yes a member of the same family of products but it's getting a nice little spec bump definitely addressing battery life which I think has always been a huge issue for the surface pro pro line and again like you were saying it's we're seeing some refreshes to the to the surface pen and pricing which starts very reasonably for that M core m3 model at $7.99 I love the regime pen yeah but but I mean without without the surface pen so what are your thoughts new surface pro not the most exciting update kind of a tick-tock refresh does this keep Microsoft at the head does this still help Microsoft define what a multimode Windows Device should resemble I think so I think the new screen tech that has the tilt sensitivity in the pen and the increased pressure sensitivity and the seventh generation Intel processors brings it all up to up to speed I think the new kickstand has some more angles there and so that's good but yeah overall if you already have a surface pro 3 or surface pro 4 it's probably not something you need to go out and run you know run out and buy right away but if you've been thinking about a surface pro it's going to be the wake up right and so I'm trying to see so it doesn't come with a type cover is that right right does it come with anything it's just so so if we were to add the surface pen and a type cover that's going to be another 200 210 dollars I think so yeah so a base-model surface pro gets us right in line with kind of that pricing notion around where Huawei was with the make book you were right that some we're really starting to crack into that thousand dollar price point yeah I I kind of like that they don't have the pen included now because now you can choose a color for the pen and the keyboard right so previously it was a silver pen and that's what you get but now you can have a red pen with the red cover or a blue pen with a blue cover so I kind of like that a see it's more about choice but yeah you got a factor in the process yeah I mean I would be pretty disappointing if you weren't really paying attention you're like yeah I'm getting News Service Pro why is there anything else in a box I use my finger for everything I mean the last surface I got I really spent any time with it's actually on the bookshelf behind me was the surface to the surface RT to um and and I was kind of bummed that they didn't continue their experiments with the blades because I got it on this weird like promotion where it came with their music mixing blade oh yeah he's like sliders and these like these touch squares to program in like like a synthesizer or like a some sort of reading software I just thought man this is going to be cool and they can come out with like a Photoshop blade and it can come out with a video editing blade and they can kind of do all this other stuff and none of that ever came to that it's just keyboards I kind of missed the touch keyword - yeah yeah well and again it's it's it's kind of like in using the Lenovo yoga book I do not like typing on this keyboard but it is nicer than typing on an on-screen keyboard if I have to punch out a short piece of text like I don't want to write a full review on this thing I the last time I did that was when I was reviewing it and I actually wrote the review on of the yoga book on the yoga book and that wasn't very fun all I did not enjoy doing that um but I guess I'm with you I feel that there are sort of brief interactions that people might want something that's QWERTY you know you've got all those QWERTY pads but they don't necessarily need like a full robust keyboard trackpad like a traditional experience and maybe that saves them 20 bucks or something like that it is a great keyboard but having that touch keyboard that was just so thin was pretty gasps I mean these are still very thin oh no totally and I really do feel like there there is an argument to be made just the fact that the type cover is a hundred and sixty dollars he's never like if you could do like a $99 touch cover I feel that would be you know sort of an appropriate way to give someone an option because I kind of feel and you maybe you'll disagree with me because you know you do so much work pen touch and you've got your your Wacom but I think for a lot of people out there maybe the surface pen isn't necessarily a must-have accessory for a portable or multimode modular computer but some kind of text entry probably is I'm not seeing a lot of people walking around with surface Pro's without the keyboard cover or unattached so a part of me kind of feels like this 7 $99 price point is a little disingenuous in you're pretty much guaranteed that like the accessory you at least need to have is another hundred and sixty dollar ya keyboard solution it's I think maybe it should be advertised as a bundle right you know and well and like kind of list what those prices might be when you kind of put a little different things together like that you're right it right up front will show you know something like like the port expander the surface dock that's probably not you know a mandatory purchase for every single surface surface owner out there I know a lot of people who need that kind of that kind of addition but not for everybody right I don't think I've ever seen a surface without its keyboard cover in the wild no neither and I am starting to see more surfaces you know if you go hit a coffee shop you'll see a sea of MacBooks and like two or three people who are the outliers you cook at your local Starbucks punching away on Final on the final draft you know trying to write their screenplays on on a surface pro instead I go to a bio tech conferences sometimes and there's a lot more surface pros there oh I would totally believe that and and like my my sister and my brother-in-law they're big fans of surface and they work they do a lot of work in physics and so again it's just altra portable still a power full computer um but you know it's a lot more flexible for them to carry around and you know I've seen I've seen a lot of traction in markets like that for for surface stuff so I guess I guess the the philosophical question I would want to ask we've been we've talked about the galaxy book we've talked about the surface pro we talked about the huawei mate book has Windows peaked or or I guess I should say is is this sort of where we should expect Windows to stay for the next generation is there something else that we can do to make this you know to sort of make these devices more portable or to fulfill more roles or to make them more flexible it really seems that once we got out of the surface Pro in the surface pro 2 that we'd kind of landed on what this should look like and then Windows 10 the update to Windows 10 seemed to reinforce that idea this is what Microsoft looks like now and this is how you should use it now and even if you don't have one of these modular computers a lot of systems are being sold with touch screens at least that that seems to be where we're headed or at least where we're going to stay for a little while and now that we're here I feel like it's going to be where we'll stay for a little while although I haven't the surface sales kind of stagnated a little bit lately yeah so they're not there they're not growing I one of the last things I read is that surface sales were still growing but they weren't growing as quickly kind of the same conundrum to Apple when Apple is called a failure for a fiscal quarter but they still demonstrated growth they just didn't demonstrate as much growth as Beck you laters thought they should have one of the last things I read was there was sort of um Oh what is that Osborn effect is that what I'm is that the right whether it was an old computer company way back in the day and they made this computer and then before it was really out in the market yo was dumb enough to say oh and you're not going to believe what we're going to do for for the second generation shows computer and then no one bought the first generation computers as a company folded before they could make the second generation I believe that was the Osburn um but there was I think there was some hint of that because I think we had an idea that these you know from the surface to from the surface pro to the pro - to the pro 3 to the pro 4 these things have been really regularly updated and then we kind of hit just this little bit of below where Microsoft didn't push the sort of the same sort of update as aggressively and so I think there was just a little bit of a slump as everyone was waiting to see like was this going to be some crazy new redesign where we're going to get a new surface book what was what was going to happen and I think when people saw the surface laptop and now that we've got the surface pro 4 refresh I think I I think those people who were sort of holding out will probably jump back into the market on that again but it's not to say that they haven't been facing some solid competition from their other the other Microsoft partners yeah I've been seen a few more Lenovo's out there and you're still not going to be able to sort of out undersell some of the other players you know like Acer and a sous make some phenomenally gaming hardware but they still make a ton of less expensive gear that consumers can kind of jump on whenever they're walking around a Best Buy hmm I think last year we were all expecting the surface pro 5 because they were normally they would release or announce them like every fall right right so yeah everybody was waiting for that but it didn't happen well and just how do you feel about the the sort of the name and the branding on this like they're not really saying the number it's just surface yeah it's kind of like what Apple does right into that MacBook or a MacBook right I still think every company should just go two years yeah you know if you have if you have a mac book it's the MacBook 2015 it's the MacBook 2016 it's the surface pro 2017 I think that would help us especially us in the review world right what helped us out so I know totally I think that's what we're going to start calling the surface pro I well I think a lot of time we do yeah you know a pocket now will lead the way what Microsoft should have been doing this 2017 surface pro right excuse me so lastly I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts I I've been very critical about sort of crowdfunding products and you know when when it when it works it works really well even when it works really well it can still be kind of a cataclysmic failure I've got this killer battery that I funded as part of a was an IndieGoGo bow before crap was it was before Aoife last year and I just got it a couple weeks ago you know successfully funded crowdfunded it's a great battery but I don't think I needed to wait for that um excuse me sorry we've got this a dry throat I can't shake it so we've got a Jules posted a story on the chewy sir book yeah light on its feet and it stomps all over its IndieGoGo goal base model starts within Intel Celeron and 3450 I am not familiar with Intel chipsets outside of the cores anymore I know they still memorize I mean there they go in their opinions but what it's it's got a it's got a Celeron CPU six gigabytes of RAM it starts with the 64 gigabytes of storage there's an option to crank that up to 128 one USB type-c and two USB three type A's almost twice the battery capacity of I think the last generation surface pro 4 and yeah they're comparing it against black the last generation surface pro current-generation surface pro detachable keyboard and that starting price is four hundred and seventy-three dollars it's pretty much price that's not bad and it it looks a lot like just yet another surface clone kickstand is built into the tablet itself the even the keyboard does that little magnetic pop-up yeah we're the the very top edge of the board snaps so that's got that little bit of an angle to it trackpad built into the keyboard and it looks like I don't know if it does if it's going to include but I don't know anything about the seller on and I'm just kind of surprised because there's that sort of jump between like atom CPUs to sort of the core like the core m3 is sort of the sweetheart right now if you want a low-cost a lower-cost I shouldn't say a low-cost a lower-cost fanless design but let's see customers can also get a full sir book set for the 128 gigabyte version for 399 Oh for the super early bird okay I'm see I see so if you were to go and help crowd fund right now you could get the full kit with the keyboard right and the larger storage capacity for $399 so if you were to get one of those I would say you'd probably want to jump on a deal like that if it comes out if it comes at well I mean it's it's funded so now it's just a matter of when its last win so is that something that you you could you could take first bin get your work done it seems I don't know it's probably a little underpowered for weight a little under parity yeah I mean except for the battery life the battery life is probably great yeah well I would I would have to believe so if they're really saying that this thing has its things got a similar battery capacity to an iPad pro and almost twice the battery capacity of the last surface pro 4 so that should mean it's it's at least an all-day but it doesn't come out for a year or two this will always be so crazy nervous about so I've had so many great experiences with crowdfunding and just the last two or three projects that I've thrown my own money at one of them didn't get funded and the other two it's just like they took forever to to ship those products so yeah I'm a little on crowdfunded products but so do you think that this is so I I don't even know exactly how I want to even phrase this question for you um we know that there's sort of an idea of premium devices or you know I'm going to say thousand dollar price point you're talking your iPad pros you're talking your base model surface pro you're talking the the huawei mate book trying to push that experience to a lower price tear hasn't really been very successful I think Microsoft tried really hard with a well surface RT and that was a misstep I don't think they had a very good software strategy even though I think the hardware was actually quite nice but then even with the atom powered surface that they released that didn't really seem to catch on as well with I'm too nervous well it can can we make that balance is is there a way that we can say like this is made out of nicer materials it's made out of an a magnesium alloy it's got a huge battery but will people care about those things if they fire it up and it doesn't feel like a nice as nice as a software experience as the hardware chasis feels when they're pulling it out of the box I'm not sure about that well I mean like do you think consumers are really like is is there is there any gap in this market that consumers are really thinking you know like hey I need something cheap but I needed to look nice and it's okay if it's a little bit slower is that a product segment that we're just over looking it's a small cheap or powerful pick dude right right that choice we're gonna try and make our like our business triangle there yeah you never done fast you never done cheap you can have it done well yes it takes to do so because I'd be really curious to see who who responds to a product like this Windows 10 home I mean I I think they do have their eyes on a market demographic I think they have their eye on a certain type of consumer I just don't know how many people really really want that you know other than just they're they're the sort of people that seem to jump on crowdfunding campaigns let me see if I can pull up because it sounds like this has already been funded so let me um let me pull up the IndieGoGo page but what what do you think would be most important to try and translate down into a lower price tier is it the nicer build is that the more emotional part of it or do you think people are going to be disappointed if it doesn't feel as powerful as a product which looks similar I think they'll be disappointed hmm it's hard to tow okay because a lot of this feels like it's it's close to older surface tech the the stylus supports a thousand 1024 levels of pressure to be and support it's got that dual band Wi-Fi I love that they advertised still advertised I've heard that on the other hand it might be good enough now it's all about what's good enough at that price right so for talking 500 $600 range maybe people will be able to accept that the speed is not up to the standards of the 1000 or 2000 dollar tablet PC yeah see this is really this is really interesting so what is the okay so their goal was thirty thousand dollars they're currently a two hundred and four thousand dollars so there are six hundred and eighty percent of their goal but if I'm looking at the perks their perks aren't maxed out and still my mother yeah so you know they've got their the 64 gig for $2.99 the 64 gig with a keyboard and a pen for 349 and the 128 gig with a keyboard and a pen for 399 and all of them still have plenty of room so the most popular is 3 the 399 128 gig but out of 200 units they are claiming 120 so there's still there's still a team or that you could go and buy at the time this podcast was recorded and if I just do a quick little bit of math on this calculator here 20 times mmm it's 47 plus 49 times 77 plus 17 okay so they've been funded to two hundred and four thousand six hundred and forty nine dollars but only eighty thousand dollars of that seems to be from their perks oh that's kind of weird right where the risk the money it's like who's running over to an IndieGoGo like you know what I'll chip them $5.00 that doesn't seem like it would be a thing uh yeah I'm kind of curious like how that's how that's been backed and less there maybe there were more perks I don't know they readjusted their perks because they got such a great response I have no idea but I only see the three perks listed and I see plenty of room on those perks for this being six hundred and eighty percent over its initial funding goal ah another thing that I'm skeptical about getting the drivers right because when the surface pro 4 originally came out the Thrive around were terrible yeah they were bad GPU drivers and the original surface pro had by bad a graphics tablet drivers for photoshop and paint turn it didn't work well those they had a long time to get that stuff right yeah so nobody knew are they gonna be able to do that I was skeptical about Huawei too though because that was the maid book last year that was their first thing mm-hmm but they really did a good job they they got that working really nicely well I mean this is also this companies out of Shenzhen so you would hope that they have access to some kind of talent developer resources something Bacolod uh yeah I just did that really bought I like I really want to know if there have been 562 backers who how did this thing get funded reflect their bags like I'm going through and I'm looking at all of their backers right now or nonnamous just five hours ago the 399 perk I am got to stop because I'm going to sit here and go through their whole site um yeah I'll be really curious I mean like I know Jules loves digging up these kinds of things so this was a fun one to take a look at but I'll be really curious to see if this well I first of all I doubt we'll probably even get our hands on one unfortunately but yeah this is one that I'm going to bookmark because I want to follow up on I'm really curious about that notion I think with phones were starting to get a point across that just because you didn't spend seven eight nine hundred dollars on a phone doesn't mean you can't still have a premium experience right but I don't think we've managed to find a way to translate that into more traditional laptop or hybrid computers hmm and so if more of these companies are going to start producing products like this and we see good support and it's not just you know some weird manufacturer Chinese tablet from banggood supply or something that's just you know kind of stapled together from parts that were leftover or something then then I could be really excited about that but the companies that I think in the past we might have turned to a company like Huawei they're making the jump straight to the same tier the same sort of premium tier as the established competition that we already have so I wonder if there's maybe not even just a consumer idea that I didn't spend a lot on this so obviously it's not good hmm I wonder maybe a part of that is just the emotional argument if I only spent $400 on it then it can't be as good as you know the $2,500 I would have spent an act book or something like that here's a $59 Windows 10 tablet which one is that new vision I have no idea what that is but for the price is actually really good oh that's quick I don't expect it to do much right well I was kind of bummed my Acer died um I got in I forget which one it is but it was the little 8 inch Acer and I think I picked it up for $80.00 yeah and you know I got it when you know Windows 8 was brand spanking new when we were just starting to get these these different tablet solutions out and so unfortunately my user is now dead it doesn't it doesn't boot up anymore but my wife's Toshiba she doesn't use it like she used to she kind of just has a bedside I heard the bedside table by buyer bed she kind of picks it up kind of pokes around does a little read it puts it back down goes to bed but it still it's still kicking that thing has well exceeded my expectations for $100 tablet yeah I had the 8 inch still $100 tablet for a while but the battery started bulging boom so yeah that's no good well I mean yeah we've been covering enough like bad battery news you know let's let's end on that note you know our products exploding on us huh what Adam thank you so much for joining I am just this was something I really wanted to have you on again I think your expertise really lend a nice perspective because it's not just you using these things to review them I've seen you in action with these products and I've seen the kind of work that you've produced especially from your photography business and that that's the kind of thing that I always like that taking that conversation to a point where this is something that we're not just like oh I benchmarked it and I kind of poked around on the screen and I loaded a couple apps and it plays this one game really well there's at least a little bit more of a focus or at least a little bit more of a perspective on getting some kind of work done Media work entertainment work on Jan Eddie InDesign signage for building right now and websites and post through some books and doing all of that with these guys so back to the Wacom that is not so I guess that's the takeaway right is is for as good as these things are it doesn't sound like anything's unseated your Wacom no I switch around you know I'll use the first rope or I've been using the Galaxy book it's very diplomatic of the Wacom with those buttons I identical blends so good I have I have no need for it and I want one so bad I would just just just break my heart a little bit if I were to spec one of those out how much would that hurt my wallet um I think it's between the cheapest might be fifteen hundred and then it can go up to like three thousand that's not as bad as I thought it would be the the most expensive one has four Gate GPU NVIDIA Quadro oh yeah okay so that's actually I mean like that's why I'm that's why I ended up going with a gaming laptop because I wanted a discrete GPU yeah that's actually not as bad as I thought you were going to say for something like that I would maybe graviturtle doing something like that when my when it's time to replace my blade and my wife is probably going to be very mad at me like I'll have to replace my blade sooner than I thought I did and that one has a 16 inch screen so that's that's even bigger oh right on 13 I mean how could you even look at a 13-inch screen this is that's crazy pants alright Adam thanks for dropping by man I want everyone to go and check out your Galaxy book review thought that was a great write-up some excellent photography of the product in that review as well as I would have expected and a really nice look at a product especially from the perspective of someone that really does use this this class of product a lot and I really enjoyed that review mm you