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panel here - - and two people flanking me it's Josh for Gaara what's going on everybody and on my right your left we have first of all David ml of course known of Android Authority David Hogan over here the unlocker that doesn't unlock anything and I made a veteran shocked and of course we have while sitting on the floor today is a michael fisher thee mr. melville himself all the narrative flank you know either way whatever side you need someone someone say what time it is right now it is 2:17 a London time we've got ketchup mustard and a glass of old wine here ketchup must forget the well named brown sauce which I refer Stephanie look at it's just brown so brown is that they were like we need good branding what should we call this brown brown alright so we have been here in a London for a number of days mainly because of the Huawei and of course the Huawei Huawei new und huawei mate 20 pro but it's not the only one that we saw right so we're going to get into the huawei mate 20 pro which is the one I believe all of us are holding in one way or another we did also get Huawei Pete Huawei mate twenties as well so we're gonna do new content between the two but there's way more two more two more well way more in a way it's a lot more work on Huawei more yeah Huawei more yes way long so what what else happened at this event which happened in the middle of central London was a madhouse let's go ahead and talk about all of that stuff so while we may 21 meet we pro what was what came next what you want start with I think would we did we were they made us wait till the very end for the big surprise right so the next thing we got in the sequence was the only wearable prize yes yeah right oh wait while we watch GT is that what you want to talk about either one and whatever you want to start off with yeah this is all in the same segment for this part you mean the wear with not wear is not internally but visually it's like I mean yeah it looks yes so I I feel like I may not be alone in this but every year that Huawei announces a new SmartWatch Ickes I expect them to revisit the success of the first generation one they brought a Swiss designer in to co.design watch and every year it seems like we kind of get a rehashed while we watch to watch to classic whatever it's a very familiar body but it's the most interesting thing about it it's not running where OS yeah okay so my question in that case is like we have a a new OS what they call flow flight OS flight sorry flight light OS light Louis flight light flow OS and this is is this signifying we have Tizen obviously we have other operating systems in the wearable space ones that might be proprietary to those wearables like Fitbit and whatnot is where I was in trouble if Huawei has abandoned it for this year's wearable I'll just just think about this I mean how many processors from Qualcomm are being used by Huawei right now zero zero and so the 3100 which is the processor that we were waiting for we are waiting for which just launched today on the Mont Blanc the launch of the mobile on is the first 3100 processor the processor that whatever they created which they provided no details on is exactly the same thing only made by Huawei but obviously because there's like the sort of partnership with Google where this 3100 is exclusive to where OS it seems that they pulled some weight or something where it seems for them to adopt whereas they had the dog to abduct a Qualcomm processor and I guess they didn't that seems to be it I don't know I can't speak to the strategic element of it but I was surprised to see another company trying to develop a new SmartWatch platform from scratch yes do a I think it's the way it looked decent yeah I think it's it's unwise to count out a company like as big as well way at this point for it because the Samsung has been pushing on with with Tizen for forever and even though it doesn't really have an ecosystem comparable to where OS at this point it's this what do it every single year and they still sell him sell them every single year sure so like and and given that they're targeting this thing at apparently Fitness folks you know I don't know I it may have a chance I have to say that personally speaking it was on the floor for three different meetings or events and I've walked right past it to get to the phones so yeah that's where I'm coming from a little bit yeah did you yeah I like to watch because watch the watch is really good-looking yeah it's gorgeous super thin it's just wow I really hope that we'll we saw it the event is not the final thing because this software was clunky AF you used it for a bit I tried it out at the first pre briefing we had in New York and it seemed pretty good hmm but maybe I'm wrong I don't know it for a first date for a first a minute see some of those choppy animations that were happening and like the touch latency that was happening on the screen and all that okay for what it's worth that can always be corrected before release I don't always get the way that they implemented the UI seemed decent though and the like for a first generation like OS that's a good point that's a very good point David but this is also this is also a contained entity right so we're not really expecting it to have all of this app developer support right out the box yeah you're gonna have basically why we fit why we health yeah Huawei health on a watch I mean this is this is I think at this point everyone is seeing the success of the Apple watch and thinking proprietary not only that I mean if you think about it from the business model of China like in China alone because they own their own app store yeah in right now they can pull their weight there yeah yeah that product makes sense so so it gets WeChat when we chat yeah yeah yeah now who's gonna make the point that like yeah we're looking at this from a Western perspective yes yeah yeah pretty clearly nice really Morris yeah so this watch has Beauty modes I do honestly think the watch looks perfectly fine and I just remember we're getting really excited when I knew that that a watch was going to be at that pre-brief and then when I turned it on I was like what am I looking at here you know and I don't I'm not gonna booboo it much because obviously it's it's a first generation product is a first generation OS I would be excited to see what it can bring to the table but while we has always been a been one of the darlings of the watch world I mean even I remember when we were looking at the wall we watched too we weren't fully convinced until it took us maybe what a week or two of wearing it every single day to realize we really liked it is that true I remember that maybe 50 I had never liked that series I'd like the giant waste of time with the first gen anniversary again they took the time to draft a real piece of work I remember to the point where especially people using 360 and the Huawei watch 1 are the two still best watches never best looking watches ever good yes we got used to the look side we had this off the Andhra thorny podcast when I ate one when I had you want definitely not like you were like you were like you had gotten used more used to the design I remember this how many was only into it you weren't totally into it but you couldn't take it off because of battery life was actually not too bad thinking of you just said about that Huawei watch to that Huawei watch yes you ever seen anything so stylish not really okay rite aid on the way over here I said this in my video that it's the strap that really makes me not like that watch like it just feels like not 3:49 word yeah this is this the strap is what gave me the impression of a drugstore Timex which I called it and my hands on I did say Timex to yet yeah and then you combine it with like how you like that ultra sickness I have to be honest I do feel bad kind of kind of dumping on this this watch so much because this with this watch listen it we don't have the classic which is arguably the better-looking one which still looks like an LG watch urbane urbane yeah yeah but here's the problem while we set itself up I think for failure here by creating arguably the best-looking first generation Android wear watch right everyone's saying I am and you know I obviously that design partnership did not extend to this device and the upsides of this are that the screen is is bright and awesomely OLED and stuff and the it runs Android wear too tight oh really well but it's an expensive missed opportunity on every other you know how I feel about taps and swipes like I like no rotating crown no rotating dial like it's just unbelievable hmm yeah very very surprising and I'm a company that doesn't do a lot of missteps anymore you are that that maybe I may have been wearing it for the duration of that MWC just did not want to know I always thought that could that design was really poor and when wood just wasn't it was very clear there was much effort not as much effort has been at bay they did even the classic I am shocked that my review of the classic did so well because I'm like there's plastic with a Huawei name on the sides of this yeah yeah what was on their mind it was such a radical change because the first gen was so like so beautiful I mean Michael send it to me all beat up and everything but it wasn't affected by default much to the fact of the default watch to if was like a Fitness watch was just like you wouldn't the complete opposite direction I never said you loved it I am the eternal optimist of tech yeah and you know what I appreciate it well I try my best it can be hard sometimes like for example blowing up an entire phone in order to throw shade at Nintendo but like for me that's a tall order yeah what immediately when I saw the made 20 pro I'm a 20x rather then the huawei mate 20x appear on there and write nicely will not brief that by the way exactly we were not briefed on that phone yeah I mean and right next to it was a Nintendo switch to my first thought I think I said it out loud David Lum was right next to me and he was I can actually do L look there you go ah it was Dave it was David and David David that is such a space ball see I straight up just like at the screen and I was like can i play Mega Man 11 on your phone well wave no it's it's the specs is not what makes an antenna switch great it's the IP that they don't right it's the all the Nintendo games that the nostalgia it's not like they're like we have a 1080p screen they have a 720 I'm like but no but how do you own a Nintendo switch I do so have you noticed that it's so packed with indie games and like games that you'll see on iOS it's like really loaded with that and every now and then there's a really good compelling game that launched don't get me wrong I've only played the games that I know like Nintendo don't get don't get me wrong the Nintendo show is something that the Nintendo switch continues to be probably my favorite gadget of last year and this year the I think makes the IP makes a lot of sense and mobile but the thing is mobile gaming Assoc on Android and iOS have gotten so great over the last year rate is the word compared to before compared to before it's made good yeah compared to before there are a lot of great titles that are coming out Nintendo is actually investing in mobile and there are some pretty great games that are coming out these days nothing close to the switch though so here's the thing for me when I saw the presentation if you saw my tweets on the pocket now account like what why because first of all yes the Nintendo switch may be a great gaming platform but it's a terrible gaming product from a mobile perspective it's clunky AF the screen is a screen is not that's not terribly as room for improvement but it's not terribly better it does the job really well and I see them everywhere and I asked them I asked about them everywhere and everyone says that if you tell me something if the Nintendo switch looked like the huawei mate 20x what would you think I'd be all about it exactly so that's the thing I'm not saying that you're blending two worlds together though have you ever owned a ps4 ps3 Xbox those are the devices that focus on specs to get the highest possible output the Nintendo focuses on fun and mobility and mobility which is mobile games in fact which is why it's great mobile games yes mobile games are not that level of fun but I guess what I'm trying to say is this may 20x is literally what the Nintendo switch should be it can't be no no no okay I can already do I can debunk that immediately the the tactile feedback of the controls on there is on the left side and you still rely on the screen for the right side right which if you ever use wait it doesn't have a right control have you turned the motorola controller for the Moto those are pretty those a vice grip looks wait no no I can't wait to try the controller for this yeah once that comes out though they say but that'll be even like an Xbox yeah that's like an acumen joules popping in with a plane is holding up the razor phone yeah [Laughter] there are certain habits that I need to pick up from Michael when hosting the show I'm just here to complain about the camera be in there yeah so for me for me to care about mobile gaming I need I need two things which the Nintendo switch nails it's games where you don't see like if I'm if I'm playing a first-person shooter I don't want the soldier that I'm shooting to run in a weird direction which exactly is that that's the first thing I need and better at the game the second would be tactile controllers yeah that for me is the key and so if Razer can create a controller that's like it like if it can be like the w1 chip on the air pods where you can immediately quickly connect to it and it just somehow magically connects the games and you don't have to be setting up keys and crap like that that would be me yes all that should crap yes exactly yes I think raises issues that isn't the controller they announced basically just an Xbox controller with it looks like lamb with a client I just don't I don't like that you kind of wanted to be like awesome the controller for the rock the ROG it's a company called game vice who have who have actually sued Nintendo for taking what they thought was their patent for the side-by-side controller so yeah game by vices are having a little bit of trouble actually developing as many controllers as possible for all these phones that we all love so there's a little bit of problem with that but I agree with you there should be a side by side control because it makes it a lot easier yeah yeah that's exactly I would love physical controls while wait it is no Huawei Studios is rotating while waiting for our studios right guys I think that if Super Mario Odyssey was made today and Mario didn't exist that would still be an incredible game oh I Mario I agree is the it doesn't trade too much on this alger but it does it relies on intuitive to a bit to degree here's the thing though like the more we talk about was boring physical controls being attached to smartphones the more I remember that like yeah mobile games I'm just not there for them and maybe I'm alone in this and this is this is weird no you're not alone but I if I attach a physical controller to a smartphone yeah I'm gonna use it to load some roms that you know I have a full library of every single Super Nintendo game ever would you like I would like some of them would you like to distribute them to me across the anti-piracy warning I wouldn't take him but I could totally so no but listen to this just notice how much I feel that it's so funny that during that event as much as I feel that the may 20 Pro is probably one of my favorite phone so far this year I just found it so shocking that that made 20 ex took so much spotlight because regardless of the behemoth of phone it is it's got the camera of the may 20 Pro it's got an OLED it's got the headphone jack that some people care about it's got this huge freaking battery life it's big AF it's literally the the honor the honor note 10 but the fact that it actually supports a stylus so it's it's God it's so many things and yet it still Essex it's it's $200 less expensive almost $300 less expensive than the May 24 you know it's worried about that is that it the things that it does do are the things that people care about which is battery life and camera but they also they also miss something then giant screen and it's no latina has a headphone jack I take I take a lot of I take a lot of a lot of exception to the way that they marketed it on stage though because they're trying called it shouldn't be a gaming device an old-person device this is an old people device no seriously like are you are you like everywhere everybody has those people in their family who like require bigger screens because their eyesight is going or anything like that maybe they just want the ease of use of a larger screen despite the fact that it's a big screen it means it's a big phone it's hard to handle but there are a lot of people I know who would prefer a phone like this and there are like a cheaper and I can see it well but let's do it cheaper cheaper in the sense that like a 737 cost less than a 757 like these are not cheap phones yeah they're not no none of them in any sense and yet and yet yeah like dude it doesn't air aircraft yes yes yes yes and yet it's it's got everything that we care about the may 20 probe in a package that sucks expensive and that offers more yes I disagree and I feel like the may 20 Pro which we're gonna talk about in a second yes has all of the panache it has all of the style that this phone lacks this the compromises that Huawei has made to make the mate ex this massive slab more affordable are very evident you hold it and it's like it's slab-sided it says he doesn't taper to 2 million actually you unlock it with a fingerprint sensor that is a regular all round thing stuck beneath the beautiful matrix that's symmetrical to the mate 20 so it's right right yet instead of like the under display thing and it doesn't have face unlock right and it's got a 1080p display right not yeah not the irony depth so there's there's a lot of compromises that that take away from everything that made twenty pro is this is a phone for people I would argue that this is a phone for like a lot of the people and I don't know my comments who every time I run a piece on like that by phone without a headphone jack they're like would this know by I need something with a headphone jack and also a big screen would be nice and also a five thousand why don't they put five thousand milliamp per hour batteries and phones well there it is oh yeah this is for power users of like a certain stripe I was about say I feel like this is a is a spec hunter yeah if you if you just care about specs that phone ticks a lot of boxes yeah like any so does this and I and I like this phone a lot it made two so far they're a pro but I get them the appeal of the MINIX like I think that that's very much like if you just want a large screen you just want the headphone jack you just want the battery life you want the same processor as all these ones you want a great camera like check check check check check it's cheaper have at it grandpa I mean I think no I think they're regular overkill for grim I think they made 20 pro the maternity Pro is like something the word they want to compete with like Apple buy basically it's the high-end because it is their future device because they put all their newest techadon this is a great competitor to the 10r yeah Bigsby would like me to connect and try again I apologize yeah you know what you know what on that note when we take our first break this episode of the PocketNow weekly is made possible with support by coz theta by Lutron and today i want to talk to you about casita by 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I I'm sorry that was not very good radio everybody the ultra wide camera I mean it really is a very versatile third lens to put on the back of a phone you pair it with Huawei's night mode you pair you you paired with the the 3x telephoto which I'm sure somebody else will talk about it's just a lot of most versatile camera array I have seen I'm personally surprised by the fact that you can use this many lenses on this many yeah same I kept trying to like you know get to disappoint myself right I'd like switch over to wide and be like alright now go into night mode is it grayed out oh no I can use it you're not and there is stabilization in wide electronics a video but not so I tried it in the Porsche ride today and it was epic so I was afraid to go too wide and obviously I couldn't just ask the trainer to drive the car like crazy again so I only had one shot to do it and I by accident flipped into the wide-angle stable AF it was great I was like oh my god word something we've been waiting for for a while so why am i excited for the may 24 so the iPhone the iPhone 10 we're going to start alright so I'm looking at it from the back and I'm like this is the Samsung gout is the Galaxy S 10s with a V 40 camera this is literally while we took inspiration from a lot of technologies that have been really defining for taste from design to functionality and they've created this beast this total beast of a phone like I it's very hard for me not to be I've never been in a presentation you know it's funny when I mean I mean these presentations and and and they make them for consumers let me tell you they they make them first one sumers and they're like oh it's got this and I care like I don't care about half the things they say except for this one I was like wow it can oh it can do that it was L Wow glad well that was my reaction to absolutely everything they announced a lot of it I don't know like the reverse charging I don't know that's gonna be useful for more than once he used today to help me okay you remember to Michael he uses a day to help me it was great you got you got you got four percent yeah it's real slow my biggest problem is that we weren't briefed on the price yeah and when they were providing the price I'm like okay Huawei you want to own this you literally look nice this below $900 and you're gonna own every no they won't do that because that machine is equal but then of all these ponies do know but they're not this is the most expensive entry-level phone there is what no no no no wait no the the the most expensive way to buy the product so an iPhone is $9.99 a galaxy note 9 is 9 9 b 9 99 as well okay so this is the first phone that is truly in a price tag four digits its 1050 well that's nice configuration oh yeah you can I mean that's only if you if the May 20 didn't exist 20 throw because the May 20 doesn't compare to it really sure but you could say the same about the iPhone 10's max not comparing to the iPhone but literally they're the same phone just when it's bigger than the other batteries yet whereas in the case of the mate 20 point I know they're entirely is they're entirely different so yeah I get it from the may 20 pro perspective this is literally the most expensive phone right now I don't know if I buy that I don't I don't know if you can say that what's the what's the Oppo find that what did the Oppo find X start at os towers you know like there's all kinds of category stretching phones that have been launched again the Oppo find X has a lot of stuff that's in this and you guys didn't mention that this actually has a lot of the design cues from the feels like a find X yes it does I said it I don't know what what the price of the find X is if you could find it well it's hard to get that phone yeah and it's tough to get this one but yeah I had a somebody bribe me an email and said he ordered it from clove and he's a US citizen so we know who s pricing you were from clove and it's gonna be delivered in the 26 or something and it was 1016 US dollars with shipping right and also that includes like I think the watch comes with it and a wireless charger so like for the probe yeah well we made 20 not to not the find X yeah I'm sorry excuse me so you know so there's that right so like it may well be the most is one of the most expensive phones without without question yeah it's in the same price range yeah it's just I wish they wouldn't have priced it so high I'm like my god you can know it's funny we could say that for a lot of these phones it's like God 1050 really we can say that for pretty much anything is the thing and like you know it's a reality we don't want to accept and and it's totally understandable yeah but at the same time it's like when you look at this compare so no denying the only thing is missing is the s-pen but it's also got a wide-angle lens you have to figure out what your priorities are yeah and we can't change companies actually making these prices sighs I would have a hard time going back to the note 9 with everything this phone has the reason would you say that it's $50 more worth it yes yes I think I think the reason the reason why this phone is so compelling compared to the rest of everyone else this year because 2018 s kind of been the year of the quote/unquote incremental update I think everyone used that term in every phone release this entire year and when you either don't offer more than we're a little faster and we're a little better or in LG's case now we have a wide-angle camera even though it sucks what Arden it so they have a telephoto camera that's not optically stabilized I haven't done my review you do it sighs so you know it's like they everyone else is like we made it slightly better or we have one standout feature that may not even be that great and then while weight comes in and they're like we have five standout features and they're all awesome like they're all legit like just actually well engineered and well just yeah good yeah so like of course it's gonna be worth the extra money cuz like Richard you has the best job in the world he just goes up there he reads off of the screen and says that's what they got this won't we this is what we do we got we've spent these many billion and spent these many billions of dollars in R&D and we're actually pushing out a product that's worth that amount of money yes I listen I started my hands-on video with unlit release the Kraken like this is the phone that's gonna make everybody else look bad that's the way I feel there are a lot of comments right now that based upon all of our hands-on videos they feel the same way yeah I mean everyone else should feel bad like if they're really seeing the same thing with a slightly faster processor at the same price then they need a freaking change what they're doing is it just boldness though this is just the whole make it possible mantra like is it why is Huawei why is why we're pushing the envelope like being hungry versus not being hungry right so Huawei needs to do things to stand out and gain more market share even though yes they were one of the largest companies on the planet but like in certain markets they are very much not whereas Samsung is comfortable Apple is comfortable right like when you're that comfortable you do incremental things right like Apple did it first Samsung is now following that and so always trying to stand out it's a marketing thing like there's nothing to say they like when they get to a certain point if they were number one they might do the same right like to your point though like yes a lot of things really well and like I don't know like this is this is a phone that like when we all were pre briefed we were all like whoa huh like obviously we wait yeah let me see how it actually was gonna work that's one because there's a couple things that there's a couple things that promises to do well right now they either doesn't do it all or B doesn't do well correct we were watching the spec sheet get listed and them telling us what it did we were like huh oh yeah it was how I would love to see this device and that doesn't like gr2 something doesn't it doesn't happen very often and halfway through that New York City briefing is when I decided to come here to London yeah right because I was like this is a funny that's true even for long board I was not booked on this trip and I was like I hate to change my mind because I need to see this this might be my next phone yeah God promises yeah no I see but I am I am so happy that this phone literally looks so good and doesn't feel like a truck and does everything that it does I was actually asking earlier of Michael like how can you still get that six plus six plus inch screen with the phone that doesn't feel quite as I like it does no yeah and you said it was a taller screen and I agree yeah it definitely she oh you put in a big honking knob that a lot of people are gonna complain about they're gonna complain about it but you know what you have the best of both worlds you have a very minimal bezel and then you have that bit of a notch because of the 3d depth sensor commenters yes why not let's begin talking about the knife it actually serves a purpose here yeah just cuz you don't like the wide-angle camera on the front that's a purpose that's a purpose on the Pixlr purpose like wall-e I know yeah yeah I get that is the ugliest notch we have but there was purpose also it's fine if it has a purpose give me an option to hide it at least yeah don't even do they do have to do that they're going to hopefully banner and even Michael overhears arse admiring the phone you guys get by the way what clothes do you guys get I got Twilight Twilight David more for Aurora but it's yeah but it's there Mac backronym in at 220 got the green counting it that most greens for David okay in my view to drive it got the blue I guess so yeah so here's here here we go oh it is very different yeah so the blue the blue is definitely the blue is definitely like a real blue it's an azure and this is like a turquoise really I mean the colors yeah when you go with the green and the blue one it's less exciting that you get a green or blue phone it's more exciting that it's still glass but it's been etched in yeah that makes it more crippled and optical mega haze or whatever look at my script hyper optical oh yeah sounds like it sounds like I don't actually know if I like I don't know if I like this the feeling of it I appreciate the fact that slippers health it's not just regular glass and that they put the more effort into it it looks nicer slippers all but it fails I don't know it feels like okay so here's the thing for me here's thank me like oneplus was able to make this coating that just felt like silk I just felt so good and then Google with the pixel three oh there's freaking amazing yeah soft touch glass is so unique and so interesting to get rid of this case yes sorry but I don't know I I appreciate that they're doing the etching because it's it looks very different I have a question for you guys so how do you feel about the design of the camera I I love it I love it I love it as well and I'll tell you why the p20 Pro the p20 Pro had a gradient that was unlike anything else on the market but if you took that gradient away got the black one kind of look like an iPhone 10 with a camera like they moved the camera lens up to the corner and put an extra one below it but this one like no one else is doing a big block full of its cameras right the the matrix it's the stove what it is and we we know this because we've gone to the European design aesthetic Center in Paris but the truthers are like Huawei all of a sudden is understanding the value of design language finally finally and so in Paris by the way but no like that's that's that's something that I think is important to them and they don't haven't realizing from now in Paris where was it Paris so no but like it does like it's unique from behind like even if you had a case on this you would know it was a different device yes as for our viewers okay so you know what you know what I think is interesting is that is that Huawei are still coming up right there I mean obviously they're like number two phone man Wow so they're they're really actually huge but there was a time in which Samsung was what while we is now where Samsung were the ones that were innovating and packing crazy amounts of things into their phones and then Samsung got so comfortable they started leaning on luxury and yes but that's that's that's interesting to me because now Huawei is doing the same thing but they're also starting to lean on luxury yeah because Samsung packed crazy amounts of tech into their phones until everyone bought Samsung phones and then they started being like if you own a Samsung phone you're high-class it's like the whole iPhone become a brand anything well I wonder this is that's an interesting point and I don't really have a completed thought about this no matter if y'all can help me cuz we used to tear apart Samsung back in the day oh yeah ways for no yes they were plastic crappy feeling phones right yeah but they loaded into point as they loaded into so many features yeah that were not useful or they were half-baked hey you're trying to be useful screen stay you know you would like if you blinked at your few posed your eyes the screaming turnoff except it didn't really work right you know using for galaxy s4's as a surround sound speaker system like the thing that Nokia is now calling both II like being able to shoot with the front back camera sound yeah you sure sorry excuse me and we just kind of ripped into him for this because they would load in a hundred and fifty thousand features and like four of them were useful Huawei is is not no less guilty of loading in a bunch of crap you're never gonna use including do the same thing LG is doing as like ripping off the iPhone portrait modes poorly so like why is it that I'm more accepting of that when it comes to Huawei is it because these phones are like from a hardware standpoint works of art and all the Samsung phones of the time we're plastic piece probably it's because there are plenty isn't a hammer like and that's it yeah but even though they offer you know things that are may not be that important they also uh they also hit the standards very well and I think that's what they must have yeah that V 42 completely fell apart on they somehow hit the fundamentals in such a way that makes you like it's a phone date for it's a phone you're happy to use and and the cameras and in particular there are some extra features on there that actually work to the benefit like the night mode the night mode is something that we've used so many times and it's something no one else does is doing it now how long ago that they hire I remember in your review of the p20 Pro you mentioned and I had no idea that they hired the designer from Nokia Ranocchia yeah yeah you know they hired him in time for him to be involved in the p20 pros development but I don't remember they got behind one of the excuse me one of the guys behind PureView that was obviously a huge team yeah yeah so I mean there's that it's just interesting because I feel like these especially Chinese companies that are trying to rapidly develop are leaning on different things like oneplus leans on community and they lean on like low price high value but Josh as well exactly Xiaomi is the that is the next company that was gonna bring up like as 1 plus lanes on community but the only reason they have a community is because they're so like here's the phone no extras but it's got high specs and then xiaomi's like we're making our software literally based on what you tell us oneplus doesn't do that they just like make it super basic and so these Chinese companies are kind of like taking various approaches but it's interesting to me that Huawei is kind of starting to lean into the every feature ever but now we're kind of being luxury type thing because I could see a point in which they stopped innovating and just tried to make jewelry dude but I'll tell you this much that is very functional jewelry man oh yeah this is yeah this is your point like for me it has one thing that separates the iPhone from Android for me one stupid little thing what do I like about the iPhone 10 antennas that I can look at it Apple logo UF and cheap of course fifty million up folks will see you in the comments I love I love getting notifications and that my notifications are not visible on the iPhone 10 and 10s until I look at the phone hmm and so the huawei mate 20 pro is the first phone to do that from Android to find X do it because it had a thing right tell notifications it's either or I either see them like for example right now I don't think I don't have any notifications but like I like that I like that my I like that level of privacy where I'm not forced to unlock my phone to see my stuff or vice versa so as much as we can crap on emui all we want they've actually made some changes that I actually like that Android doesn't do yet Android like the pixel doesn't do that I mean one that the main one that I always think is useful I don't use it but I think that's what people could is the dual app oh I love it and a second space app twice yeah they did oneplus has that Oh oppa oppa was the first company to have AppLocker and a lot of those things what do you use it for Twitter also before Instagram supported multiple accounts that was really useful yeah I did have two WeChat accounts at one point and what I got locked out of my first one okay yeah and then way this is when I was with Xiaomi and they have the same thing or you could do do a lot so I had to log into both at some point once I finally was able to get back into my other one and then and then there are things that I don't like about the user interface like if you want to go for gestures I like that they've adopted a just referred the Google assistant I hated they've adopted the back gesture from show me where you have to go to the edge of the phone and slide and so that feels okay on the meme x2s where there's no curve but on this phone because of the curve it's like really hard to yeah it makes it difficult hate me if you want but I just want everyone to copy apple's gestures like they did copy apple's gestures and I love that they didn't adopt the like a hard press the power button to get the Google assistant I like that you're all wrong if you're going to steal gestures the only company you need to look at is Motorola they are the only ones to go home you swipe right to go to multitasking okay so why didn't always make sense to me as Google's you should be like the baseline oh yeah has it's in a back button it's something on the right like what is symmetry and like what the problems with that implementation are just you just slice in the land it's not hard I can't put the buttons back on that may 20 pro for what it's worth I really here I'm actually thinking putting mine back because you know it's really hard to go back correctly what a problem I'm very forceful even if but the problem is because it's because your palm test touches the other side lift your arm this podcast brought to you by the human pretzel what were you doing look at off your shoe it's hit her okay I say what do you see left hand right now you can use it from the right I didn't know like it's still it's still the worst gesture they have like it's still the curved screen I agree does not feel great and try and try using it on G board when you're trying to go backwards and you end up erasing everything you wrote try using it on the camera whenever you're on the camera and then it flips you don't know where you don't know where back is anymore there are simply places where you're gonna collapse the keyboard and it just it it thinks you're swiping it thinks you're swiping no it's really annoying it is I'm just gonna bring back my bar - you're right let's do the buttons all right well let's let's take another break all right the pocket now weekly is also sponsored by one plus the one plus 60 is giving you the speed you need on October 29th now and tickets to the big launch event in New York and New Delhi have sold out so if you can't make it in person you can catch the livestream starting at 11 a.m. Eastern 1,500 GMT head to pocketnow.com / 1 + 60 for more information and stay tuned for the announcement I just want to spend 10 to 15 on the on the end of this just talking a little bit about the experience we had to do of course well tie it we'll tie it into the device we'll tie it into the device I'll leave the room that's cool oh you need to try you guys have a valid driver's license that's me because I live in New York and never thought about it and then once the Portia event and of course because there someone in there is German yep was like 11 Batum so what did what do we so what did we end up doing today I mean Jaime had the most one I feel like I had it was therapy it was fantastic so it was it was it was bittersweet it I think is the best way to say it because I feel it that the easiest way for huawei to guarantee that I could ever use any of their phones as my daily drivers permanently is if that phone is not on everybody else's hands we're talking of course about the may 20 RS so I wore a design for horses design which like they make the camera hump look like if it's flush but it's not it's a little thicker and that's how they achieve that flush design that phone is a bit thick with leather from cows from somewhere in Texas large cast large they're treated for weeks before their and this is the thing I wanted to get into is like this phone like like Huawei we were talking about luxury earlier they know barbed wire and the way it is like no barbed wire because it damages the product the brands that they have partnered with yeah like while we is leaning on luxury but they're picking the right brands like Richard Richard you is obsessed with Europe is what I've heard and so we've got like we've got Porsche Design and I mean I find I found it funny when we were in the presentation and people were like you know some of us members of the press were arguing about the price I'm like why are you arguing about the price this design product yeah when they asked like what makes this more expensive I was like do you really want to get man what are we asking this question and you're not forced to buy the Porsche design very good buy the regular wouldn't be happy like you know what branding is you have any idea what that is yeah whatever you know but yeah they were they were sort of agonizing on about just how hard it is to make the phone and all that and we're not gonna be able to get the price down of this phone it's it's ridiculous it's 1690 65 60 95 euros for the for the lower model of it but the lower model in this case is a higher model of the May 20 Pro yeah absolutely yeah because I just remember him saying up there is like well imagine if you bought the biggest couch you could it still won't make more phone so I was like Edition product that's it you know you could buy it or not how much does that play into your purchasing completely depends on what kind of person you are in what you care about what's the most special edition thing you have Michael oh I have a 1 in 1 in 12 Star Trek communicator prototype from 2009 from Nokia how about you that I bought on eBay did I'm homeless his most prized possession is all my possession I don't really have anything that's super limited edition you never had my Groudon coin from my pokemon ruby pre-order oh hey but you're doing this like if we understand what like so I'm also a very minimalistic person so like I am obviously not the person to buy this device very much I'm very millennial of me I'm Fiat I'm like I don't I don't I don't need these things I live in the American gardens actually do have a band poster of one of my favorite bands that is limit it's limited edition okay I don't think I have anything that's right millennial just like I I just I I like I like to get them because our job is cool you said Diego okay yeah like I have like what about you I can't really think of anything in particular I mean either maybe my maybe my Onizuka Tigers my three pairs of them so it's not really limited edition but no one I know really has it that's what I was going for is that like yeah you get this phone because nobody else has it right but the Porsche design isn't gonna be sold in the States either yeah so probably sold out at this showing it comes in a region like Europe for example where did where Huawei is widespread then you know I want to get the latest thing but I want this model that no one else is gonna have right okay also crap money and yeah it's right it's a no or my poor Richfield just not the demographic and I find that shocking when I see people buying an Apple watch or mess right well that's the same concept same concept so if I had their are string combinations for that Apple watch er mess that cost the same as that portion of the sign phone where am I getting more more my money's worth so you can't quantify the value that's the point that I was for nerds and we want to quantify everything but also also can I just say that like the bottom skew porsche design right six-six no it's hired then isn't it oh yeah it means the same okay how much is the top model Pro I think it was I think it was 1200 I think which is probably around 1200 yen I think 1016 dollars shipped 16 design yes so for $400 a year 1695 euros yeah that's not dollars yeah so four years you little bees blasted and then what does the oil leather case yeah no that's not leather you did you thought they said it they I don't know if they said it but it's nice leather so all right so let's say like those runabout nice box a little card that says you own a porsche design made a little plastic card that's like this is Jared you know like a few hundred euros is that it doesn't matter it I actually think that they're under priced I think so too I think they're under price because like so what if you get more hardware that's you're not it does you're not the person that's gonna buy it if you're gonna buy it you want it because you want it and like Randy you're to every branding yeah but that's all virtue did if you're buying a product that is specifically specifically branded as a luxury product then it doesn't matter what's in it I forgot I do have a limited edition product that I have a Porsche it design a hard drive do I Drive advice Lacey yeah Lacey Lacey would that thing tour every single bag I had your bag it's just like the mentality of the whole Porsche sign thing I totally get it like there there's functional there's form there's design there's their style and all that and you know I can't really think of a Porsche design product I wouldn't use if I owned it they were showing off all of them to photographs to the jacket wasn't a porsche design jacket there's just a porsche jacket now poor me but here's so i love the fact that the chief designer porsche design was still using a may tonight yeah that was he could have any phone he wants do it he literally contributed in the design and he was still using a phone and so his point was we make timeless products if you see our watches they don't look from the 70s if you see our pens don't look from the 80s true if you see our bags they don't look from the 90s we make products that you can use as long as you want and that makes a lot of sense well we're always gonna be very Millennial of me to say right now also but it's not about the things it's about the experiences so it made a lot of sense to me that is this is a phone that you are going to have that no one else has you're also going to get an experience that no one else will have my god that driving experience was fantastic phone they got the driving experience sure yeah absolutely that's not fair to give them any any thought you want to give on on actually getting behind the wheel of a Porsche yes I have so many and I got in the car and he tried to make me nauseous god we did doughnuts in the parking lot you did doughnuts in the parking away we did oh so it was fun for Sue for those of you that watch my at&t it can wait campaign video I was in a horrible car accident in 2015 and ever since then I've had literally like PTSD like I've like insecurities when driving and that's the main reason I didn't buy a fast car anymore where I bought a truck like I focused on things that would not put me in a position to have another accident like that and this was the first time since then that I felt confident about driving a car at the speed that I did it was fabulous like it was therapy for me I had such a great time and definitely I mean the the you know the instructor she was amazing not just in looks like she was really not knowledgeable like she did an amazing job at I met Rivera p.o box two three you just had to quickly ease that one in there not just it looks oh my god no she was fantastic and she was kicking everybody's ass yeah when we were going around the track Michael did I see that you weren't did you you drove right drove the hell out of that thing okay I saw you in the past and the last round you got like after I completed the ice incline on my first attempt yeah contrary to my instructors expectations he was like gave me a firm handshake which I appreciate it and then he was like let me happen that driver's seat for a second I'll show you how to how I do some turns and it was quite quite impressive yeah had nothing to do with the phones but I really appreciated learning something about how how cards are handled professionally so I switch they like presented it that way because this is something you'll never have this is something that is uniquely yours something you'll always have and I'll always I'm always gonna remember this experience as well yeah that's what that meant and all of you you were doing that launch what was it launched at launch pad or what I was doing launch control and I was telling I was challenging myself to break up to the last possible second yes now was def I was just trying my best to like learn everything I could because I don't think I'll ever be behind the wheel of a car like this again I don't and I wanted to take every moment of it like with the gt3 that we were driving I did gt3 felt like a beast yeah I did not go back to any of the wet areas I stayed on the track and I said I want to be on this track with this car if you'll let me and he said have at it and he started giving me tips on how to like really be efficient on the track it's a skill I wanted to learn it's something that I know I won't be it was such a different car to the other one that I drove first yeah yeah Wow so I wanted to take advantage of you know and then of course the porsche design phone was in my pocket so I actually used the experience driving on the right side of the roads it's really what it's horrible that I asked her I asked her to drive because they weren't allowing us to film and so I was like so what have you driving I film you and she's like yeah we could totally do that oh then tell me I could do that's all I was allowed to do I use I use that experience I use that experience to test the 4k stabilization dudes like from the the so the telephoto does not have good stabilization and I think it's broken because a p20 pro has quite good stabilization on the 3x yeah and I think it's it's gotta be a software patch it has to be a software software I mean when I say it's broken I was using the and so oh my god so 4k there's no 4k at 60 right now even though apparently the processor is capable but I did 4k at 30 and there is great stabilization on the regular sensor and then if you do the wide I don't know why but I felt that even better yeah well it's cause it's more frame to like work with yeah right like that makes sense yeah yeah yeah but it's it C is we should say it's not no but dude at this point E is is literally like made o is because these gyro and video and video sure yeah yeah all right well it was a good time so I'm saying I think they had a great time yesterday I'm looking right at Cogan when I say this it's a heaven now yeah how's your pixel I want one last hot take from everybody before we call it on this one you have price is no object you can pick one or the other it's sitting right in front of you PD or pro David go yeah rs or pro RS but as another bad question let's get the RS out out because we can't have it let's let's put another phone no not true for me for me it has nothing to do with the branding because I don't care at all about branding and I'm not even a car guy like I drove a Porsche and I'm I know that I'm extremely lucky position to be able to do that yeah and it was kind of fun and not a lot of people get to do that just renew your license for God's sake like ultimately I don't really care about cars I just don't and I and so it's not a big deal me but the leather feels really good to hold and it's grippier and it doesn't attract finger prints like crazy I don't know and I also like the heat that it gathers when you're holding it so I agreed like that they also that leather is like proper leather it's not like the it's it feels better he's making a face I am making a face I've used the Moto X 2014 which is the best leather that you can find on a smartphone in history actually you have to hold mine all right I just bumped Michael for that because that's kind of part of my point okay well that makes sense but regardless I would actually choose the pro because I I actually prefer some of the other things that it has and I prefer I don't know I like the the styling I like the gradient color I know that like a lot of people are bashing on because it's not as good as the last gradient but I don't know I like that it's brash I like that it's outstanding it's going to be different because I live in the United States so nobody anyway that's it no I would choose the brown I didn't like the separation between the leather on the on the rs8 felt it seemed a little bit weird to me and I remember talking to a bunch of people on our trip and I was just like I'm not sure about this leather and they kept going but the camera's flush I'm like but the leather is kind of odd put the cameras flourish camera bump like if extremists are the worst but the cameras flooding everybody in our comments a bump in 28 yeah basically like me a camera bump I don't mind the camera bump that one of the pros not even that egregious like seriously like good couple on our phones right it feels great the phone feels great I just don't think that it's actually that much more attractive than the front and I did a poll on Instagram and somewhat narrowly the pro did win out it's still it's still different in a way it's almost like when you see that PD logo on the back and then you see leather you're like oh of course right it's expected the red that's okay that's that's nice that's me so I am pissed that they made that red berry and exclusive to China I'm like okay cuz I like that even like that red I would have loved that porsche design phone in like a silver leather with the black bar in the middle that would have looked fantastic I agree but for me but for me like right now I am sitting on font on phone tober phone tober fest october oh hey I have I have so many phones to review and until like February of next year it's like crazy and we've still got more to see so if I had to pick all of these phones obviously we have to wait for the final software of the May 20 Pro make sure that it delivers on all it's all Allah's promise but I find this phone to be fascinating and if I could have like a limited edition version that read I would go for that like if I had a choice if I could pick just one phone and I've had pixel three Excel I have all the iPhones I've had all the galaxies and the one well we don't know what one plus 60 is gonna be yet but I would grab that red mate 20 probe Porsche Edition hey Josh hmm I just because I've forgotten the question was the Porsche Design at the regular one right yes yeah the pro you know the pro I was very apprehensive that this in display fingerprint sensor was going to be bad it was on the previous I love demo is bad on the demo devices we saw way on our pre-brief and it was also bad on the porsche design okay so I was very worried but I have to tell you I'm using this I turned off the face scanner me too since that don't really matter divorce ourselves I wanted to use SEO what right I did - is there room for improvement most certainly yeah do I still wish I had some kind of tactile guide to know where the divot is like on a hardware fingerprint scent totally but once you get a little bit of muscle memory involved that says it's so cool it is pretty cool it's so so he's gonna be kind of like a WOW factor yeah I think said that in my video - I was like the thing about the fingerprint sensor is that you don't know where it is when you first start using it yeah but like at some point I imagine you would gain some muscle memory and you'd be okay with it and does have like a little indicator like that indicator doesn't come on until you kind of like mess with it it's always it's always ready to go the face scanner works pretty well yeah I just use it up but like I have there's plenty times that I've used that fingerprint scanner be good as the face scanner is not quick enough but at least it's better than the one on the pixel where if you turn on the display it'll indicate unlock the fingerprint and the scanners at the back right yeah like everything I get every phone every phone gives you that fingerprint sensor Brahman I still remember my parents on their first iPhone like putting their thumb on the display where the thumbprint logo was and I'm like no no it's not part of the screen that would be impossible now cool how cool is it that we're at that point yeah I think Lee remember in middle school I had an iPod Touch the first generation you had an iPod Touch in middle school how old you been all right that's why I said first generation bunch of old-timers sitting on the couch it yeah anyway never graduate from college and being like I wonder if she'll ever build an iPod Touch anyway well you listen to music on your dis Minh word yeah in the first generation in the first wave of apps that were just stupid like the food like the freakin beer app and all that crap those were yeah so so there was an app that was basically a screen unlock that he pretended to be a fingerprint sensor in the screen and it was meant to just blow your friends minds but you would actually like DoubleTap on the corner before you did it for to make it actually work guys you went that so that's how you're able to like trick people into thinking like oh my gosh there's a fever in the screen and so then everyone was like oh my god that's actually here it's insane like see seeing that tech as like a kid and being like this is actually an app we just like and it only took two years I mean ever since David mo is young and on that note that's it for now that weeklies just as much a conversation as it is a show so make sure you make your voices heard either in the comment sections or by emailing us at podcast at pocketnow.com you can also tag the cast on twitter with the hashtag pn weekly I think I'm gonna let you guys give your shoutouts you know do your Twitter dear Instagram your YouTube to go for it okay not Michael David first no totally fine and thank you so much for being on the show guys I guess thank you for having me David go ahead and do your show you want to find me on YouTube you know I actually have a YouTube channel now has 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