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your pocket now we're always taking a look at ways where we can expand on the conversation of mobile technology to dig deeper into some of these topics I could set up some system where I try and encapsulate opposing viewpoints all by myself ultimately they're just sometimes where we want to have a human-to-human conversation in real time this is going to have a little structure to it we introduce a premise one person will debate for that premise another person will debate against that premise each master debater will have two minutes to plead their case then there's going to be a one-minute rebuttal and then it's up to you to vote on who you felt had the more convincing argument and to kick off the series I could think of no competitor better than to bring on the man the myth the legend mr. Jaime or Iveta host of the PocketNow daily and sometimes contributor on the pocket how weekly pod whenever I'm invited very rare okay whatever you're in you're always invited there're tweeted you coast in the west coast you've got crazy different schedule this is a debate question that I think you and I have ended up on opposite sides of this debate at opposite times of phone releases the premise for this debate is premium flagship smartphones no longer represent the best value and so we had a we had a gentleman lead coin cost before we jumped into producing this video and Jaime is going to be taking a stance against this premise I'm going to be defending this premise and just being the gracious host I think I'm a should go first in attacking the premise I'm going to give them two minutes I'm going to take another two minutes to sum up my thoughts then we're going to have some rebuttals and jump back in so I may are you are you ready to attack yes sir age before beauty oh sorry so instead of it backwards sorry hahahaha jerk alright so uh so he's going to be attacking this premise he is against the premise of this of this debate I have I have two minutes up on the clock here and I mean you you are ready I'm going all right so here we go two minutes and begin here's the thing you have to be very clear about what value is for some people having a phone that just makes phone calls is fine but that's not the case for many of the people that follow us for example or many of the people that I know at least there are people that want don't want to buy a separate camera they don't really want to buy phones every year I've gotten on subways and I've noticed people using iPhone force still today the reason why is because flagships have the advantage that they last a lot longer they are more future proof you're buying into the latest and greatest hardware and therefore it will be number one the one that's most supported in most cases I'm not going to name companies that don't but it's also going to be the case where you're literally getting the best that a company can offer and so I've noticed one very important difference one is for example camera quality there is a huge insane difference between the quality of photograph from a high-end flagship than from a mid-range err the second would be that peace of mind that when you buy that phone it's most of the time more durable most of the time like you've never heard milspec 810g coming to a mid-range er yeah you're gonna I know you're going to mention a few there but those are really ugly I'm not going to include those and then the third thing is the peace of mind like for example if you're in New York you have to rely on public transportation at some point it's raining weather is unpredictable ip67 ip68 water industry system they make your life so much easier you don't have to worry about a lot of things with a flagship I do run away what 30-second warning 30-second warning really you're going to do that all right let me talk to us you had two minutes that's the whole point of the debate listen I feel that their agenda 15 seconds now and whatever value in the value that's pertinent to me I care about photography I care about a phone that always looks good and I always care about carrying the latest and greatest because I want it to be future proof over time for me flak chips are the way to go and set I let you go for seconds over I'm a really nice guy like that do you have a timer you can pull up if you want me to let me yeah take your chute no hold on it's not going to be therapy do it how would you know let me look for one like bend lime let me look for one here we go here we go okay timer okay I am set go so I know I upset a lot of people when I call phones like the 1 plus 3 a mid ranger but in this grand scheme with phones from $100 to phones that are now costing somewhere around $1000 it's in that middle point where I feel we get the absolute best value for your cash so - a lot of high makes points you might lose out on things like design and style a lot of these phones are going to look like the unholy love child of HTC and Apple deciding to make low rent children to put out into the populace but you can't deny the fact that we're already seeing them reach parity with things like display resolution with the chipsets that they're incorporating into these phones the Galaxy s8 was a late entry this year it's got the benefit of this really super great processor but in terms of future proofing you're on the pulse you're not that far behind and ultimately these companies want to compete for your money more aggressively so not only are we getting great you know support warranty stuff like ZTE with their screen replacements those companies are also putting in killer features you might not have all of the features be killer but if you want awesome audio the axon 7 is really second to none except for maybe the b20 when it comes to the headphone jack you want to killer Tamara you can go with something like the honor rate for some of the best still photography that I've ever seen if you're looking to really stretch that dollar you're looking to really maximize that purchase I think you also get some of the best support for some of these phones especially because of some of those drawbacks like not having super aggressive skins and zombies that Oliver we're injected into them so then you end up with faster releases you end up with faster Android updates like the 1 plus 3t already on 7.1 where the Galaxy s8 launched with 7.0 you want to stretch that dollar mid range is the way to go good time 12 seconds left to spare any last words before I come whoo and I see by 12 seconds see i seated my twelve seconds ahead of time so that you could wrap up your point in putting that all together excellent points all the way around I really appreciate what you had to say there Jaime so I think this is the proper time for us to take a short rebuttal so let's take 60 seconds and you can reply to anything that I said or if you want you can also expand on some of your ideas because I know we were running right up against that time limit there are you ready for your rebuttal sir yes sir all right one minute on the clock and begin I got your points I agree with some of them and that's the reason why I mentioned at the beginning there is a market for everyone BMW is not going to sell to the mainstream but there is a purpose I mean think about brands like volvo for example a lot of the ingenuity that volvo has brought into the automotive market has defined technology for the future the thing about flex just says they're not going to go away these are the vanguard phones that allow other companies to know what they can do how reflections don't exist technology is not going to push itself the Galaxy Note one did not exist once people would have not followed the trend of phablets at some point I feel that it has to continue right now we're dealing with 18 by 9 displays it's going to take mid Ranger's a while to catch up and I'm not saying that it's a standard right now but again a lot of these standards were born with black ships particularly in photography for example I feel that black ships are necessary and the market should continue and clear for seconds to spare nicely summed up sir you got a one minute timer for me there we go give me a second ready let me know alright I'm set go so I totally appreciate you know the idea of BMW you're buying into an idea of luxury there but then I also look at products like a Louie Vuitton and I'm not saying there aren't returns when you start creeping north of that four or five hundred dollar price point I'm saying are those those returns are diminishing you're getting less and less if you start climbing higher and higher and price and that that relationship isn't really a linear curve I'm you know isn't a straight line curve as far as I'm concerned I think it's got a little bit more of a parabola going on so again I feel like you know I can invest a certain amount of money for a certain tier and then I'm going to start spending more and more and more and I feel like I'm getting less than unless for that purchase you know I think ultimately the the concession has to be on something like labeling and branding I don't want to take that away from people who walk don't walk around with Louis Vuitton bags or you know I rock my Levi's 501 I bought I spent more on my 501s because I knew what I was getting a durable product that is sort of timeless for my style but that also doesn't mean that I want to spend five six seven hundred dollars on a designer pair of jeans like I don't really feel like I've gotten that much more for my purchase by spending much more money I forgot to give you your warning your times up Oh playing dirt oh that was an appropriate place you had 12 oh that was inappropriate place all right all right yeah I was like I was an appropriate place to go ahead and leave off I think I think people watching the video they've gotten my point there and maybe that just has to be an extra bonus point of consideration when people are tallying their vote first of all at the end of this video and so now it's up to you it's up to you to vote in the viewer poll if you look in the upper right hand corner of this screen you're going to see four options when you saw the premise of this video I'm sure you as a viewer had an idea of how you were going to respond to that premise premium smartphones no longer represent the best value you had an idea audience member and so if you agreed with that premise before we started speaking or if you disagree with that premise before we started speaking we're either of us able to change your mind so you're going to see those four options I agree with the premise and I still agree with the premise I agree with the premise and now I disagree with the premise I disagreed with the premise and I still disagree with the premise and I disagreed with the premise but now I agree with the premise I love your vote we're going to follow this up I know it's a little bit of tricky math in there but we want to hear from you definitely drop some comments down below this video this is a series that we hope to expand on because this type of interaction we have some structured ideas we have some thoughts and then you all get to weigh in you all get to vote on how you feel one of us might have been more convincing than the other as always folks thanks so much for watching be sure to tune in to future tech debates we're going to have Jaime on again absolutely we're looking for other guests that I think will be interesting too you partake in this type of mano-a-mano fisticuffs exchange of ideas you're going to be seeing other producers here from pocket now I'm sure and I think this is going to be an exciting way to dig deeper into some of these ideas and some of this nuance for pocket now in Ponte Carlos bag now I'm hiya Meadowvale I'm at some gadget guy on Twitter hi Matt underscore Iveta thank you so much for watching we'll catch you all on the next video