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Vergara what's going on everybody I'm so happy to be back inside of my office the travel for the last month and a half has been in sane I haven't been home in LA as you can see for more than a few days at a time which is nuts but I'm finally back for a couple of weeks before I leave again thankfully I'm not going anywhere too far so maybe we'll talk about that a little bit later during our break back with us this week is our friend my first episode with him on the pocket my weekly TK Bey how's it going brother I'm doing good man hey miss you guys it's been it's been a minute since we last hang out yeah exactly on the stove again when was the last time I saw you was it the it was a razor event right yep that was the last row and then right before then you know it just it's been busy and I've been enjoying all those pictures you've been posting online man I want to go back to Paris I've been very fortunate over the last few weeks to be able to go to a bunch of different places but obviously the number one thing if anyone if anyone follows me on social media you know that I was actually in Paris last week so very fortunate for that quick shout-out to the girlfriend Lisa Rodriguez I would never think that I would end up in corn called the city of love with my girlfriend so there's a lot of pictures of that that TK is referencing yeah I'm speaking of someone I haven't seen in a long time another friend has popped in it's Mark burr Steiner how's it going dude yeah and I'm just now getting my my fingers eyes mouth body back into the video creation swing of things when I'm not doing video I'm building and now that we're we've built enough it's time to start doing video and build yeah it's great to see you back the last time you and I were on a cast together was with my previous show and I'll never forget that episode it was me you and Nicole Scott that was one of the funniest ones I've ever done it was it was raunchy it was it was a good one yeah it was a great one all right so why don't we go ahead and get into this week's stories mark right before we went into our right before we hit the record button or the live button you made a good point about this week it's not that crazy of a week for once we need to take a breather after the last 60 days of phone after phone after phone yeah for sure so let's talk about our first story for this week so apparently Intel is jumping into the 5g space everyone's talking about this craziness that is 5g we heard about it from Qualcomm last year and then mediatek where who brought everybody out to Taipei to talk about there 5g stuff hi Mei I'm super like envious of you for being in Taipei at the moment they have announced their own 5g modem that potentially would be able to make it into I phones and Apple apparently is going to adopt the 5g Intel modem for its iPhones in 2020 another question here is that too late for 5g like considering how much we're talking about it these days no no that's not too late like hey when we first started talking about 4G I mean the first few 4G phones that we got I don't you remember how bad the battery life was on those babies oh yeah how long it really did take for it to take out you know exactly what constitutes 4G we had a lot of 3G and a half all right and that's kind of what's happening right now there's still a lot of discussion that the term 5 G's so very much in contention for what technology actually defines it and who's gonna get there first I think 2020 is a reasonable a reasonable projection actually things in technology always move slower than you think they're gonna even though when you're in the slipstream it feels like they're moving really fast so I think this this timing is spot on okay cool TK any thoughts on that I just realized also you're outside right now yes I decided to I have to go outside it was more of uh you know why sit indoors why not enjoy you know the scenery nature is true and we're friends over life oh yeah I just realized our friends over in the East Coast right now if Jaime were here he'd be complaining about all the snow that's happening and we don't have that in Cali to make sure people knew we got Sun we got good weather you know we got bamboo yeah but you know as far as as far as the 5g and the networks that you know yeah mark marks right on the spot there we're still at the early infancy of basically even see enough a working model I mean Verizon mentioned it with the Moto mod you know a few months ago we still have to see we still haven't even seen a working model so the reality is 2024 iPhone make sense I mean apples not gonna do anything that has not been proven not only that is good enough for them that it doesn't actually just kill their phones obviously as Mark mentioned initial technology always drains battery cuz it's not optimized that's true and a number one thing that happened to us when when forty first came out it was just ridiculous battery life oh yeah agreed and and I feel like okay a little bit of snort coming from my side right now but I don't think anybody has ever said that iPhones had amazing battery life to begin with so maybe this is not gonna be that big of a deal and the thing is like okay so what about this whole idea and again a little bit of smart coming from my side I'm not trying to be on any one side or the other but there is this this this general thought in the technology space that a lot of manufacturers of course Android being the other side of things they will have 5g before the iPhones and then everyone's gonna say that the iPhones perfected something that was started before them like who could it could that be the strategy kind of going for it I mean if history has has taught us anything yeah yeah that's exactly how it is it's one of those big wrenching and yeah exactly oh boy all right well the speaking of perfecting something before you release it apparently iOS 12.1 was just way too much for this one person's phone after their iPhone 10 allegedly exploded after being upgraded to iOS 12.1 um so I'm looking at the tweet right now and this is this is a gruesome photo like not safe for life is not the term not safe for phone in this wait wait not safe for NSF P is what I'll say here that thing is done like it is done yeah so apparently according to the quote here over on Pocket now the iPhone 10 was still updating when he put it on charging and dark gray smoke started coming from the phone the update was completed and as soon as the phone turned on it started to smoke and it caught fire holy hell that is not standard charger - yeah look it's it's 2018 we made it to the point where we're carrying like we we went to space with less than this and people like us carry more than one in our pockets we had to I mean think about how much power we're literally cramming into such a small physical space you know one one failure hardware or software wise can be catastrophic so okay your phone next to your face but like what what could have this been you know that he he plugged it in this person rather plugged it in and it was updating like these kinds of stories I would expect them to say something like I put it under my pillow or something like that it's new software it's it's just regulating voltage regulating regulating the flow of power if some rogue cycle gets stuck mmm you're in a position where something's thinking then it needs to be pulling more than it actually needs to be all these little circuits in open the Chargers and inside the battery and the software running the actual device are all contributing to how much power is actually getting pulled or pushed is this a fear is this a fear for you guys TK is this a fear like have you ever had a phone explode on you like is this like we we work with a lot of phones it's one of those things where you play the odds like it has to happen to one of us eventually right and the weird thing is I actually still have the first one of the first generations note 7 that never exploded luckily but yeah for me from the pictures you could definitely see the swelling of the battery it's popping from them both on the front end on the back end so it's something to do with the battery it's overflowing the regulator may have just maybe you've gone malfunctioning it's it's isolated I guess at this point we haven't seen many like the way that the note series kind of went on but yeah the fact is you're right it could happen to any phone if any kind of manufacturer defect goes in we carry you know I mean this guy has that forty two hundred million battery even bigger than than the iPhone mm-hmm that's true we don't want to be in a situation where things happen and like I said I'm hoping it's an isolated situation I haven't heard many but I saw the comments on the tweet some people were making him swear that this was true because some people were just not believing the guy nobody what he said so it was interesting which I say again to all of our listeners play the odds guys if you are one of those people that went into the that the the Twitter the tweet rather and commented on it play the odds like we have millions and millions and millions of these running all over the place like at any given point and you know it might be one of those things where like people don't really report it they just like the throw away they don't go on Twitter you know there are there are many different types of climates in the world and they test them in so many different climates I would imagine that more exploding phones happen in super hot climates oh yeah exactly where's because as normally when you're charging it the phone heats up anyways installing an update is very similar to when you're restoring data when you get a phone for the first time try to feel the back of that phone it's working double time downloading data installing data yeah all the processing power that it's really given to you is being used to make the phone or cable so yeah just be it be safe and you don't do the pillow thing and don't try to put it in a situation where it could get you know doesn't have enough air but unfortunately I want to do it I want to do a video at some point about like watches smartwatches and mostly fitness trackers because I'm a big advocate of like instead of having the phone next to you to do things like sleep tracking we're something to do it I literally have one I have a rate a smart ring that I just got recently I'll talk about it at some point but yeah it's things like that much better for for what you're trying to do if you're sleeping with your phone next to you um okay so from Apple we moved to its competitor and they just had Samsung just had their Developer Conference very very recently and it was there that there were a number of bombshell let's say kind of weird for me to say bombshell after our last story they had a few did a few big announcements and one of them in particular is well it's the rumor mill that's actually moving now on the galaxy s 10 the anniversary edition if you want to call it bad maybe what I'll call it the SX I hope not is gonna be the S 10 but one of the biggest announcements regarding this future phone is that apparently Samsung is indeed going to move away from what is differentiated them from current phones and actually adopt the knotch okay hot takes notches Hatem don't hate them will you hate it on a Samsung I'm fine with it this year was I was bored out of my mind this year phone wise anyway right notches notches were always the stepping stone not my favorite thing but even on the essential phone it really melted away and stop bothering me doesn't really bother me very much on the on the pixel 3xl but it is so nice when you do get something like the note 9 or you know the vivo next or anything that's ultimately truly bezel lists and notch lists but this compromise that we're talking about here with Samsung with the s10 is a is a punch out and I do think that may be one of the more creative solutions I really like this idea I just hope that they can get closer to a through display camera solution sooner because as nice as it will be to have an edge-to-edge display it's sort of effectively Thing Thing it's really just an aesthetic move forward a small step forward you're still gonna have a chunk of this display that's relegated to that punch hole or to whatever pseudo notch it is in that context not until we get straight through the screen are we gonna see a scenario where the camera really sort of goes away and appears in the appropriate context but I am really amped to finally see Samsung doing doing more in terms of pushing the envelope in terms of form factor and what we expect from our devices I keep hoping I keep saying you're over here maybe this will be the year the manufacturers start doing something more exciting than a glass sandwich you know we just saw the red hydrogen with metal and carbon fiber and all this stuff that you do make sacrifices for but it's time to start start exploring more in terms of the materials for the doodles of applications that we're gonna start using these devices for now that they aren't quite so powerful I cannot wait for us to move away from these consumption and you know attention retention attention retention devices and more toward and a tool that we use in our everyday lives with our hands which we don't really use our phones for very much for today I see a couple of people in our live chefs saying they like the punch out because it's not egregious as far as not just go but also don't we just love Samsung's terminology here like I'm looking at the article now and it says that they have the punch out which technically uses the teardrop and then we also have the ultrasonic in display a fingerprint reader it's an interest like finger probe you guys come on their own in the Infinity Oh display which who knows what kind of jokes can come out of that TK's until have some thoughts out of some thoughts about this particular device rumor now obviously we're gonna see it in a few months but yeah no no definitely it's I think it's it I think we're we have this is this is a kind of a stepping stone to what Mark was referring to it's that hopefully the behind a display type of technology I think the the obsession of having that whole bezel is saying we and we've seen different manufacturers the the notch is not always going to be the answer you have the slider option with the cameras in the back kind of like the magic two did well or even the mimics but the reality is I think once we we can get behind that we're you know the fingerprint sensor is now behind the display getting the camera behind there that just kind of fixes the issue and it then out hopefully we can start breaking away from the sandwich kind of concept getting maybe different form factors something a little bit better so I'm all for it I've heard some rumors also that some other manufacturers may be going down the same route with a punch out so I have anything to make it better in my only hope and I really hope that Samsung is listening to this is just do not take the headphone jack whatever you do don't try to justify whatever concept or combination the headphone jack is that's like literally your bread and butter right now that's like your really very unique thing you had so yeah I'm all for the display thing but keep the headphones actually okay there we go so we know where Tiki draws his line yeah exactly okay and then during that particular developer conference they dimmed the lights down low because things were about to get flexible so the Infinity flex display became a thing and sure enough there was this like device that that the gentleman was holding in his hands that then folded and what we're looking at here is not only a foldable display that folds inward much like a DES but there's also an outer four point six inch Super AMOLED covered display that unfolds so you still have a screen that you can use in the more general like phone configuration like this but then it folds out to become a 7.3 inch Super AMOLED main display now the the apparently this is going to be one of those things where due to the innovation of something like a foldable display we're going to probably have to reconcile a few of the other factors of this phone number one the fact that with all of this display and everything that I can do apparently is going to cost a pretty penny and one analyst is suggesting that the foldable smartphone might be in the neighborhood of two million won which roughly translates to almost $1,800 I just got a laptop for that price and I can't why I don't know what yeah that's all right and oh my goodness I just don't know how to how to feel about a phone like that as awesome as a foldable display might be as awesome as that might make our smartphone future are you that jazzed about it that you would pay that much I I don't know if I would I would go as much as paying more like as you just said I personally also bought a laptop as well I'm talking to you guys on it right now and yet this is more than yeah even a well suspected laptop a gaming laptop even that I'm using for editing I I think initially what we're seeing here is it really it's a proof of concept right hmm they're gonna try to get at the market they want to be able to get the first quote quote unquote kind of statement and I think we saw it I mean it does actually exist he had one in his hand he was able to fold it although very gently we still don't know all the parameters behind it the reality I think it's I think it's great that we're able to push it I'm still not a hundred percent sold on the concept that we really want a foldable display because yeah it's it's it's kind of the I know it's a different form factor but is it the right way to go so we'll have to see I agree I totally I still haven't seen Westworld I've seen I like both love Westworld so like I'm in hypothetically and in theory but in practice and the more practical sense I'm not a hundred percent sure what I what I do think I'd like to see more of is just a little bit more outside the box thinking like we were just saying with that with the hole punch cut out like more along those lines because in fact I think in the in the show notes we've got this article whose other this other Samsung clamshell flip phones play and I think maybe there's a lot more opportunity there to try and get us to where we need to be prep more practically in terms of natures and benefits of what we get out of the device whether that means taking that outer display and replacing it with something that is low-power lo-fi maybe it's it's the ink black and white whatever and replacing the inner key set of the you know the numpad with another more practical display so that it sits still it doesn't necessarily need to fold for it to have a similar use case for it to have a similar purpose so I'm not super sold on it and sure sure as hell not at that price tag like that's wackadoodle do yeah for sure and I and personally I would feel like a foldable display would make for a phone I mean I know that a lot of us especially in the tech space that we do like shows like this we say that you don't make the make the phone thicker who cares if we get features that we want and this is one of them like once you fold that thing it's probably gonna be a little remember the X on em like it was a different kind of full yeah yeah yeah I think was thick and sharp well the other thing is if you guys got a chance to see the no after he folded it obviously it was in a case you couldn't see the phone on the actual uh that presentation package they actually showed you somewhat of an outline of how the actual phone folds and it's not a hundred percent folding no no it's more of a teardrop kinda so it's kind of a fold but it doesn't really fold all the way it's just more then a foldable I would really yeah it's not I'm really like can't wait to see ya piece of paper okay flexible work like creased yeah it's so it's almost like that more it's like that more yeah and that to me it's more of a flexible and foldable but yeah for sure yeah this it is the Flex the Flex display so they're not saying like infinity fold or anything like that so but we do have a truly foldable Samsung device that was that was brought to light this is this is the continuation of a device line I've always wanted the W 2019 which I don't know if 2019 means next year but the so basically this is this is a flip phone and it's live and this flip phone so much so what we have here are two different 4.2 inch AMOLED displays one on the inside of one on the outside so you can still use the phone theoretically like fully I mean obviously you should have all the elements still on that outside display but then you open it up it's a clamshell phone and it's powered by the Snapdragon a 45 great powered by six gigs of RAM great there are options of 128 gigabytes in 256 a gigabytes of on-board storage and a dual 12 megapixel camera why don't we see more of this also 3000 milliamp hour battery why don't we see there's your front facing camera issue resolved right there you know like you been open and now you've got a screen looking at you like I forget dude what was that phone I think like last week that had that separate screen on its back or for something new being Dubya yes thank you you know there I think we can be just a little bit more creative if we think I mean a great look I'm not I'm not a hardware guy I don't make phones I just use them I like some you know the phones but I I feel like there's more opportunity here to to sub out this numpad for something a little bit more modern and contemporary thinking you know that I feel like oh I'll take a flip phone any day yeah definitely TK what was the last flip phone you had oh man the last I want to say the razor was the last one the Motorola RAZR was the actually true last flip phone because I think after that I started going into the MDA with Windows Mobile and they were mostly all smartphone style or even the eye pack so yeah I've left the the flip concept a while back but I I do like the way it looks I like the form factor I'm still trying to figure out is this functionality is it something that we can make it work for us especially when we were again I mean even today we do have a thinner device we do have the bigger batteries the W the line of devices have always been kind of more focused toward the Asian market the business style and I think we've reviewed one at XDA maybe I think earlier Issyk last year miles did a review for one of the vices so it's it definitely has a market and you know really excited to check it out look at it so spec powder but it's so weird right like we have we flip phones used to be like so so common and nowadays with our you know current smartphone lives now it's being used as Jill said in the here it's like it's like a symbol of the uppity tech person you know it's like it's like I have a flip phone and it's a luxury item now because it's not so common and which is kind of ridiculous because this phone oh and also to that end the last flip phone that Samsung made last year or two years ago they gifted it's a Jackie Chan so there's seriously making this a they're making this like Circe a symbol of like elitism almost which is crazy right and to that end this phone is almost $2,700 when you translate it from Rouen you want RMB that's a lot of what why that that's my question this thing better be made of like like gold yeah the wiring would be really good it'll have good conductive properties with gold lining and everything yeah it is like you said it's really marketed to be in that market it's really it's kind of like when use you know the Porsche designed some of the other companies higher-end the Ferrari or the lambda the Lambo phone the phone is more about status than it is about the internals and but at this point they kind of checked out both boxes it looks really nice and it's really Spectre definitely you know as long as they release it with in the near future before the next snapdragon comes out and it becomes last year's chipset I think they probably have a good good device there wouldn't mind checking it out just to see you know how does it actually work the form factor of the field does it really make it you know give you that nice luxury kind of style that they're trying to sell yeah and to harken back to the point we made earlier for for the features that we like in our phones if the phone is a little bit thicker here's a great example like we have a phone that looks pretty awesome has really cool things it's a little bit thicker to accommodate all of that we're fine with that just so you know manufacturers we're fine with that so TK just mentioned that this phone has the Snapdragon a 45 but we also have a little bit more processor news and it hasn't pertain to the phone that mark and I are using right now a little bit of breaking news so mark actually lately it wasn't this he gave us this story right when we were in the middle of doing our first story so what did you find mark oh boy Mark Martin is beauty mark was digging so so check it out as it turns out there's there's a insight that has I clicked it and I couldn't read it I was like what am I looking at here well I have a thing called Google Translate that I use them eight other languages so I clicked that one and when I read the article boy oh boy howdy is some real steamers in here the pixels three light as it turns out like real thing did exist these folks have one in the flesh it's a baby version of the already baby pixel three which I've also been using and have loved despite the battery life really sort of falling short for me the specs on it are really interesting so remember this is a pixel three light so it's a twenty two twenty by ten eighty display for a PPI of 444 it's a 5.56 IPS display so that's a big big shift alright and it's got a six seventy a Snapdragon 670 under the hood which has an Adreno a 615 on it so it's eight of eight course two two of those course of the adrene oh I'm I'm so confused and curious for only 32 gigs of on-board storage oh no micro SD card and it's looking like the price range would be may have been may still be between 4 and 500 bucks at some point in the first quarter of 2019 I've seen some other rumblings that this is still in the cards to actually occur not something that was a killed canceled product the camera is the same it's not an inferior camera so for everybody who's complaining about prices hitting and hitting the thousand dollar mark isn't this exactly what we're sort of asking for it even has quick charge for from Qualcomm like between 4 and 500 bucks for a no-brainer to get like crisp clean Android software from Google when you've got a friend family member who's like yo I need a new phone my phone's about to take a poop and I need a new one and I don't want to think about it too hard and I know I like Android check this thing out yeah TK's losing his mind right now because I think you just sent the xda-developers article on it thank you for that oh yeah no no as Mark was saying I was gonna say I saw it right before we got on I wasn't sure it was gonna be on the list but ya know we we we posted we referenced the same source I'm assuming as marks referencing for the article itself it it looks honestly exciting - hey headphone jack is back what to say I just have to ask and it has to be materialized that's really all it is yeah but no it it does I really like the form factor I really so I I'm having I finally have the opportunity to play with a pixel 3 on my channel and I'm working and I really like the form factor I love the pixel 3xl have always been an advocate of bigger phones bigger displays but that form factor does something it's weird its small that it's powerful and getting it to you know there is a big market for people that you know don't want the massive phone this definitely answers it the budget price is always gonna make it appealing and having google's AI and well the having the air core behind it the processing power to generate nitesite great pictures pictures I think it's a no-brainer yeah this is gonna be a this is gonna be a really I mean if they get it before the holiday they'll have better sales because if they try to shoot for 2019 it's gonna be a little bit after but I think it still do well Jules's and i mean in our chat over here by the way I just realized I didn't really introduce Jules in the booth obviously so Jules Jules is a chiming in and the chat here so there was a rumor that it was going to come with the Snapdragon 710 but there is a newer processor that that Qualcomm did put out there's the 670 so that's what is being rumored is in this device and yeah the yeah I would love to see this and I almost feel like this would have been called something like the is weird but you know you have Android one and the price point and the specifications of something like this seem like the kind of thing you would release in the markets that Android one and Android go are all a part of and I think if they did that that would be amazing I think that would be awesome III know people from many different developing countries and like this would be a great entry points for people like them yeah I get so many people who are asking me who have a phone from three four years ago that's finally on its way out and only thing they care is the camera because you think they care about is I want a good camera at an affordable price the rest they can take or leave and there's no device on the market right now that I can send to them for even they're willing to pay 500 bucks bucks tops up to like six in some situations but if you want the best camera on the market there's no way to do that without spending seven eight hundred plus dollars at this stage this fills that role yeah hundred percent and I think I I really hope this mitt this does materialize and it's not just paper where yeah I mean obviously we see the hardware but I'm hoping that it's true hardware you know mm-hmm yeah and this would this would give a lot of funds a run for their money in terms of just like actual normal normal I'm saying normal people average person sales you know cuz let's face it we're not normal like we would look at this and be like yeah but I have the Excel buy there are so many people out there who would be able to go to their carriers go to their go to stores that are in their local areas and see a four hundred dollar pixel that's unheard of that's something that we haven't seen since the nexus days the next is for in the first place you know that's what the Nexus 5 plus four it was the workhorse mmm-hmm for sure okay so shifting gears one last time going back to Apple a little bit there's there's a bit of a there's a bit of peripheral that's going to be used for the brand new iPad pros I came out and also the Mac Mini so the whole idea here is it's a it's a product called Luna display now apparently Luna display lets iPads become wireless displays for the Mac Mini now I've seen so many tweets over the last number of days about the new iPads about how people are trying to use them as their laptop replacements and like while there are some really great aspects to the iPad especially the newer the newer ones while there's some wonderful aspects to them that do replace certain features of a laptop it is not a one-to-one laptop replacement there is no way a quick shout-out to uh I think it was marques Brownlee who actually said on Twitter and I laughed when I heard this or when I saw this the iPad pro is still a great great tablet it gets really close but it still has a OS and that's the number one problem it was something I'm paraphrasing yeah so if it had if you had a if it had a better now there's the thing instead of using it as a full laptop replacement why not use it as a display that's exactly what they're doing here so what it does here is essentially it's a Wi-Fi dongle that enables users to bridge the Mac Mini to the iPads as an extended display which kind of makes a lot of sense I didn't even know that the iPads or iOS rather would allow for that kind of functionality so it's kind of nice that they have that so any thoughts on this did you do either of you use iPads have you used the new one have not you would love I mean beautiful device but as you said it is running iOS and I have work to do so I can't imagine how I mean if I if I were an artist if I only relied on on this device for creative creation like ideation and and you know almost like a digital version of a notebook yeah okay I can definitely get away with you know shooting off some emails here and there but I can't open premiere on that thing I can't I can't do a kind percent of the things that I need to be able to do you know like if I'm editing a deck I'm an InDesign if I need to edit a vector I'm an illustrator full-on proper you know and I know that that Photoshop proper is coming to the platform but things like this are like really cool parlor tricks that I hope Apple realizes they need to stop making a market for products like this simply wouldn't exist if Apple would double down on on its users that that use their products the most and and the most effectively and I don't think that's what's happening here I think we're sort of still in that weird transitional period where the C suite of execs at the company is still sort of figuring out what to do after Steve's ideas list ran out there so I think they're just really they've got a lot of tunnel vision on iOS and I mean in what scenario are you real really gonna use this like it really feels like it really feels like what the iPad needs right now is boot camp personally okay TK some some thoughts on the iPad pro deluna display any of these things before we get into our break I you know the reality so this just as a point of reference using as an iPad as an external monitor to a Mac is not necessarily a new thing we've had different solutions in the past using wired connections and downloading apps on them on the iPad so the way this is implemented and why it's getting a lot of traction on social media it's because it's using both of these two technologies and introducing touch interface into the Mac system because of the actual iPad being a touch display when you're using it over Wi-Fi with Luna you're able to actually use touch display activity you know you can actually interface with the UI with touch and that's I think why it's kind of catching a little bit more and because it's on the Wi-Fi I think the article referenced it is you can literally walk away from your iPad Mini and still be able to connect to it and interface and get all the functionality of I you know of basically a Mac OS interface is this the right solution it depends if you have I mean if you really want to get a you know an iPad that I think for all intents and purposes is a great iPad it just as Mark said I don't think can replace a Productivity laptop at this especially with the things that we need for content creation maybe for content consumption but not creation yet I think it's overpowered for what it does in iOS iOS needs to be I you know basically it needs to move away they should have it may be an option I mean it boot up Mac OS maybe that may be an option it has USB C port which is really good at least they're moving forward there the speakers and I mean I don't know if you guys saw the jerry-rigged video this morning that just made me cringe you know Apple beating Samsung oh oh that's right yes yeah I thought oh I know is just killing me but uh I think it's nice I think for people that own both devices this is a very nice little addition and Luna definitely made a lot of buzz it's a great great option but yeah definitely I like it it for what it does I don't think it's really going to be replacing our laptop anytime in the near future yeah some some quick thoughts from Jules before we go to the break the the impressions of it so far as he seemed say that it's low latency so it could be a viable solution personally I think of it as like I'm always thinking of portable rigs I even travel with an e GPU to further power my my meat book X Pro so I'm not adverse to extra bits and pieces to make my laptop experience better but yeah the Mac Mini you got to plug it in but I think to myself that Mac Mini that's cool then you have the power adapter and then you have the iPad that's not a bad that's actually not a terrible travel rig it'll fit in your backpack you know and you could have it up and running in any hotel yeah for sure alright cool well all those are all of our you know short stories for today let's go ahead and jump into a quick break before we dive into our main topic okay the pocket now 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from China like very recently I did actually a last couple of weeks it was the week after you were there we couldn't work out the timing there yeah yeah came in back with the the magic - other the other sliding phone speaking of form factors right I know we were talking about like a punch hole you know screen or even the camera there there's this may not necessarily be the ideal situation for everybody but it's definitely like as addicting as I can I can play this all day for you guys I can do the background music for the entire show yeah I don't know why but it's addicting and I just want to keep playing with it that's all we would do is sit and flip the Droid opus slide it open and closed all day man man it's satisfying and and this is it's a massive it's a powerhouse I love it Jules calls it the honor fidget - right before right before we good I don't know what happened it was it job a bit of a delay there yeah TK's trying to get back to that 4G so right before TK actually went to China I did check out the I checked out the Xiaomi x3 which is the same concept so slider phones are kind of making a comeback a little bit here okay so mark I don't like you and I we talk on Twitter like once in a while I wanted I wanted I want a little more detail what have you but I haven't seen you in years like what else has been going on on your end I remember you were streaming for a while yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so I don't know I'm the kind of guy who wears a lot of hats so video like so many folks on the internet including you have really only seen me know me they've been exposed to me via video and video is like a big part of what I do I went to film school but video is what I do when I'm not building when I'm not in the middle of actively doing something in some space in 2012 I built a company called FTW we were trying to build a network a platform agnostic Network save card for video games for players to control their own saves not leave them in the silo of PlayStation Network or whatever in write-ins these days I'm back to building but as we're building in 2018 moving into 2019 and you know in this era of social media technology every company must also be their own media company the madman era is over so we are taking on producing video as we're building up building this product at the same time so I've been cranking out vlogs and for the backlog got ourselves an editor and you'll see me back doing video more frequently in the very near future but we're in the process of building a crypto card game so we're game a lot like you might be familiar with like magic the gathering or netrunner or hearthstone you name it but we're working on a card game that has underpinnings to make it so that you you own the cards and we want to treat our players a little bit less like customers a little more like constituents No so that's kind of like a loaded phrase but ultimately what it means is we want to build this game that's going to outlive us something that we can maybe take to space with us as as as the human race and so I think that players own the rule set for not something that we are making unilateral decisions about like you see with businesses because something that players through play through the system are able to define the future the destiny of the game nice yeah nice that's not that all sounds awesome and honestly like I'm really happy that after all of the travel that I've that I've been doing that when I come back it's to you two gentlemen you two are like some of my favorite people so like whenever whenever you guys you know want to be on or whenever we need anybody you guys are on the short list for sure hopefully our audience you guys enjoy these two as well they are awesome so make sure you follow them all over the place um I mentioned I mentioned that we were talking on Twitter earlier mark and our main topic or one of our topics for today has to deal with the fact that sometimes you might tweet something you don't want it sweet and you wish that you had the ability to change that so apparently a little while back the Twitter CEO was actually saying that they are playing with the idea of adding the edit button on Twitter and Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey he went to the Indian Institute of Technology in Delhi to launch a new campaign called power of 18 and that ended with a question of when is it gonna get a Neda button when will tweets have an edit button and he made a lot of really good points that the edit button would be used in a number of different contexts number one it would be a way of just correcting mistakes but it also would be a way of actually changing a narrative and that might actually be a bit hurtful when you think about how viral and how popular tweets themselves can be and how they might actually shape public opinion so I wanted to just ask you guys how do you feel about an edit button on something like Twitter we obviously have added buttons everywhere else and Twitter is the last frontier apparently this is such a big topic Dave I have a video in the works actually I can't think I can share the name of the channel the channels gonna be called feature mark that's me and the flagship video series are the future of so one that one of the videos we're doing is the future of Twitter and this is a topic in particular that is top of mine twitter has always been a company that's focused on what's happening now but Twitter has especially over the last three years really shown their true colors in that they're really more interested in the bottom line than the integrity of a platform or in the well-being of their users and the edit button I think is one of the things that's we're talking about there's a bunch of other really big issues like the prevalence of Nazis on the platform but the edit button is contentious in its own right for many many good reasons I know that I've tweeted things all like very very frequently where I need to correct something for the sake of the typo and I think that the consensus is the the ideal scenario is is it sort of like a buffer a waiting period I you know either you have five minutes set at this tweet or maybe when you click the tweet button there is a like a thirty seven second to a sixty second buffer before the tweet is actually published almost like you know Gmail undo this but I think the the conversation around more long-term editing features I think is sort of like a non-starter because of the ephemeral nature of how Twitter's sort of supposed to be used you know being able to go and edit a tweet after the fact days weeks after the fact is not is not it's not representative of what actually transpired and even if you put some sort of safety valve in place where other users need to sort of look request the tweet or or whatever there's a there's a simple way to game it is the issue I think the more exciting question that's been floating in my mind is what if Twitter bothered to actually lean into the ephemeral nature of the platform what's happening now has always been their tagline and the ephemeral nature of content has been on on everyone's minds over the last two three years ever since the stories format roaster prevalence via snapchat and Instagram stories and maybe maybe it's time for Twitter to institute a rolling window revolving door of tweets where it's a setting that's baked into the account saying I want my tweets to be live for a week and then after they're live scrub them mm-hmm I think the conversation around an edit button quickly not devolves but you know moves off into these tangential arenas because it's actually a smaller facet of a much larger problem and it's about how Twitter wants their platform to be used very oh I'm I'm really intrigued by the video that you're talking abut I want to I want to see it after you've so eloquently put and all the issues into place like that which makes perfect sense right because the the the whole problem with giving even the ability to delete as Joseph's just mentioned even giving the ability to delete a tweet can also delete accountability and granted we do live in a world now where the moment something sensational happens people hit that power and bottom volume down button immediately in order to document it and have it available forever so what like that's that's the but that's the weird conundrum here is that what an edit button actually combat those kinds of things probably not and also they were saying in this article here all rather Dorsey was saying that we're considering edit but we have to do it the right way we can't just rush it out what is the right way if if edit is in all together type of thing if it's an all-encompassing thing yeah give everyone the ability to edit their tweets but how do you police that should they police that it's a crazy thing and TK I want to I want to hear your thoughts on that I I it's it's always yeah I mean you're right it's gonna be a challenge regardless of the fact is do we do we want to be able to edit I think if they had to approach it from maybe more of a program pragmatic way would be to give us a basically an edited history right so allow the user to change the the actual tweet but allowed to be a way for people they will see the original tweet so even if you correct it what you look at the tweet you get the true you know final version of it and you'll get that little asterisks at the end saying it edited and at that point click it and then you can see the original yeah and at that point you're you're real you realize that you know going in there to edit to change what you said is pointless but if it is to go in there which is 90% of what most of us wants to go in there fix that grammatical error or that you know where the you know speech the text didn't really translate the words correctly for that treatment you say it sent to like I did which I need to fix I think it would solve the problem and I think we need to be accountable for what we say on Twitter that is true and I think that's why we value Twitter and why but why Twitter is used as a platform for so people it's because of the fact that you can't go in there and change it but if you can at least give us history that think that would solve the problem and gives the you know the transparency and it removes their needs for people to say well I can just you know edit away and nothing happened you know this piece pays it they have it spaced yeah you think that's probably the way to be I think if we can if we can cover the Edit history in the UI I think that sort of solves most of the major issues but I think it's also a matter of who's asking for the feature you know why do we need it so bad why do we want it so bad is it - protector he goes is it for us to you know make these like oh we made a typo is it to sort of like excuse ourselves from having to think too hard before we bother to tweet so I sort of present them saying we have to do it the right way I mean they've been trying to do they've been shipping feature after feature alienating the developer community over the last five six years like very little of what they've done has been bothered to be done the right way so I have a heart I'm believing that you suddenly care now Twitter's trying to do Twitter the right way we're trying to do right by us I totally agree and I love the idea that you had earlier before we move into our final like ancillary topic here that I was talking about earlier um I love the idea of I would want to see it explored at least a little bit that tweets can vanish much like an IG story can or much like a much like snapchat would be able to and again it's not like it would truly combat anything because if people actually want to document the terrible or sensational things that you do they're gonna record it like they're just gonna it's just how it works yeah um but I like I don't know that's a curious idea to me and then obviously you would have something like an Instagram where you do highlights or snapchat does that too but yeah you know it's it would make people pay more attention I feel like so if if tweets ray want to vanish and you knew that somebody had opinions that you wanted to like keep an eye on you would keep an eye on those opinions because things go away so I don't know it's it's weird and just just just the world of tech that we have these days it just it just has so many implications to it it's such a fascinating car but also sometimes a depressing dystopia it does tend to have that effect but yeah yeah you're absolutely right the weird the only thing that I can imagine from tutors perspective is that in doing something like that they're effectively saying they're effectively shunting a huge portion of their user base off on to some other service that would be collating tweets because like you said that information is gonna be captured one way or another and whether it's Twitter or not so if someone wants to see a canonical version of everything you've ever said on Twitter it's gonna happen so that's a third party service right there indexing someone's Twitter account and now suddenly the Twitter profile has been shunted off to a separate platform no longer capturing that attention or revenue so it's got issues too but I mean yeah for sure I want to actually do we have a number of people in our live chat right now they've actually been kind of quiet while we've been talking about this particular topic I want to hear what everyone has to say about this and a button on Twitter ironically we're going to have you say it on Twitter with the hashtag P and weekly so let us know what you think about this particular topic I think it's this is the kind of stuff that we want to dive into like device world is one thing but the actual implications behind our tech is something that I'm always so passionate about so let's uh let's hear what you all have to say with the hashtag PN weakly all right so I know that mark has a bit of a harder out today you have basically like five ten minutes left right so let's uh let's talk about this little email that Jules has brought to our attention Justin one of our viewers and listeners writes okay so I've been watching you guys for a few years I currently have the LGV 30-plus pretty good phone use it as my daily driver but I listen to a lot of music and it being my phone also I don't want to kill the battery so I have three other options which I can't find audio reviews about an old iPod Classic fifth gen 30 gig my HTC my HTC arrive which I think has the Zune player since 2011 since I used it and my HTC EVO 4G LTE would Beats Audio all three with easy to replace batteries that's true but not sure what would be the best audio quality was curious if you guys had any opinions which leads us to this whole idea like a modern-day specifically made audio player this that that's what this person is tackling with and I'm wondering what we would say not only in his case but for our own cases what we would use something that we miss using as far as audio players are concerned so iPod Classic fit Jen the HTC arrive which had the Zune player in it I'd actually don't remember that phone and then the HTC EVO 4G LTE with Beats so I think I think the music conversation again pardon me I'm a macro kind of guy so it's hard for me to like touch on the micro without at least giving it the context of the macro our our music change our music listening habits have changed so much over the last decade as human beings and we're so used to now relying on the algorithm tm-2 to teach us what to list to next to find us things that we already like so I'd venture a guess that most of the people watching live right now have never managed their own music media library and that's one of the main things like when you think about a device that's specifically for music storage one of the main things I want is to literally have every song I have with me at all times and that simply has it been possible since the iPod Classic since I have a tiny hard drive in my pocket with 160 games plus of storage and some in some scenarios that's really I think what I want is like something with like a stupid amount of flash storage because I think it's maybe time for us to start managing our music libraries again with the rise of Spotify in 2010-2011 and and the streaming services that all followed suit it is super sad to feel like and now everybody else is experiencing the same thing with movie paths that that I felt in like 2013 when some songs would just get ripped off of our do some some licensing deal would end and I've gotten used to on Netflix now - movie movie passes like the perfect example of just it entirely going away which is totally possible now so now we're curating other people's data and that's a huge reason why a fellow reader thank you for writing in listener which is why your battery is gonna why battery life is even a consideration because you have to worry about streaming the things you don't have on your device whether it's over Wi-Fi or data I just want a huge amount of storage and I think that the the real answer is I think we in our heads need to switch our the paradigm in our minds away from the streaming model and back towards the sort of self sovereign control over custodianship over our own data model that the internet was so good at up until social media went ruined we just need to start curating our own libraries of our own mp3 and wav files and aeyden tweets we share socially in publicly absolutely cell sovereignty why I agree with that in a way and the oh they jewel just said write a journal I try my best to personally but it's it's just it's the matter of like time right because I actually had this issue happened to me yesterday where I was watching I watch a lot of food stuff on on Netflix now and I mean watching a ton of stuff and then the Wi-Fi why not for whatever reason so for about 20 minutes I was trying to figure out what could I put in the background because I tend to have something in the background I can't because everything that I watch is on some sort of streaming platform right I was like I'm out I'm out of distractions I can't you know so it's interesting how we've moved to that and we don't have this kind of thing where like an iPod Classic what do you have everything that you have taken the time to actually download it to have with you all the time because you know put it put it this way if you go to a country like all the travel that I've done has eliminated so many different pieces of contents while I'm in those other countries because they just don't have it in those regions and speaking of which speaking of regions the fact that everybody else in the world has Fresh Prince of bel-air on Netflix but we don't that's just a that's it that's a crime that's we have to call the Prince and let him know that is not being played at least you know I live in West Philadelphia and I marrying the wrong people I all streaming services mind you yes I love it go for I didn't want to time in real quick on the story so I I realize a lot that maybe maybe you've heard maybe you've used the service itself there is there are some I mean yet the word streaming is still part of the game but Plex does actually offer certain aspects that kind of give you the control that some of the some of us really really wanted out of the original iPod or the Apple music library in curating it but you know then you manage your own database and the rate the reason why I mention them is because I personally love using that as my way of keeping my not only music as well as content as far as movies and so on things that I purchased and I basically put on my internal server at home and when I'm home even if the internet drops I'm still able access if I'm traveling I'm able to access it over the in and or even make it offline kind of eliminating the service part of it but more giving me control to access my own library and at the amount of music that you can put on it especially now with the integration with Android auto Plex is an extremely powerful server based and it's it runs your own private little server and it runs on either the Nvidia shield runs on an actual PC or you can even that set it up like the way I have it on an ass and you just literally it's the best it's the best management software for your own library you can share it with family you can download content off of it before you travel so if you want to have a like a long flight you truly is the best I would recommend if you haven't checked it out Josh play a little bit with plex there's a free version of it that you could check it out on your local network but it's definitely worth the few minutes to check it out but then also then obviously predicates on the idea that I would have my own local content correct exactly this is a this is if you have like let's say your existing you brought up your own library your original add-on library from iTunes and so on it integrates with iTunes it transfers your library over and you're able to interact with it so but if you're looking to build let's say from now on like you know you buy DVDs but you want to watch them but you don't want to carry the discs with you that's something you could do you purchase albums you can save them to your drive and listen to them anywhere in car on your phone offline online anything so it's a management tool it works great with mass servers or even like I said the Nvidia shield the pro model is you have enough space to put stuff on it that's really nice yeah Justin just so you know just so we actually tackle this question of yours we went on a few different like technological tangent but that's that that's the world that we live in right now there's so many different options and I'm glad that you have these three options that you can choose from that potentially would have really good audio quality I don't know from experience if they would be better than the LGV 30 plus or even as good but I'm personally in either of the two HTC devices probably have a good DAC in there so you probably have good audio quality in those so with that in mind one thing I did want to say you Justin mentioned the Zune player I was thinking earlier on my drive here I kind of miss that man I kind of missed the Zune I'm not gonna lie and for one reason for one reason locally on your Zune player it used to track how many times you listen to any song and you can see what songs you loved be based upon how many times you listened to it and when you go into your thumbs up playlist for the Zune or your heart playlist I forgot what it was called it would prioritize the song as you clearly prefer listening to more than the rest of the ones you might have in that list that's kind of cool and I always I always loved that because that meant that I didn't have to do what I do in Android auto right now while I'm driving like I did on the way here skipping like 30 songs yeah I'm clearly not happy with my music library and their songs that I want to hear and Zune used to know how to prioritize that which is something that I was thinking about earlier I wanted to bring that up today like did any of the other if you use the Zune on device machine learning yeah way back 2008 that's true that's really true but yeah those are those are just the best I had I never used an iPod to be honest I actually never used an iPod Touch or every classic no never yeah mmhmm yeah it was yeah it was the Zune and it was the Walkman phones those were my local audio playing devices and oh man I missed those to be honest those are great Assoc the Walkman phones that's what I want to see like let's see some let's see some more movement towards specific parts of tech so that we have a phone that is we're seeing there right now with gaming we have the razor phone the ROG phone but like it'd be great to see like an like an audio phone like a phone made from music that has the the deck built-in Sony makes a bunch of these Walkmans that are not phones but you could put that in the phone that would make the Xperia relevant again I think it's irrelevant but it make it more relevant now yeah that kind of thing and speaking of those types of players Jules actually said he sees a lot he sees a lot of stuff on Amazon that are like a gig players that are running for about $50 you might need to spend more to get more storage but if you're using Justin if you're using the iPod Classic 5th gen 30 gig as your reference point it shouldn't be that hard to get a 16 or a 32 gig audio player that potentially has a really good DAC in it for a good audio quality for something like a hundred maybe a hundred fifty bucks at the most and I understand that you know price is different for everybody but those are options that you have and I think you know what I guys I think we did it by the way mark thank you for for still sticking around yeah on that note thank you so much to Tk Bay and Mark Merce Steiner for being on today's show so great to have you guys on we definitely have you on the short list for future episodes so make sure you keep your schedule is open on every Friday which is when we have though weekly the weekly is just as much a conversation as it is a show so make sure you make your voices heard either in the comment sections or by emailing us at podcast at pocketnow.com on twitter this is gonna be interesting this is one of the first times I haven't had to say Jaime Rivera I may underscore very nice on Twitter TK is at TK DSL 8 6 5 5 so you can find TK on Twitter is that also that's not your Instagram is it it's the same one prints it's the same one it's the same for both so the Twitter and Instagram mark on the other hand is at Mark be very simple ah yes and then you can follow whatever mark is up to he had a lot of stuff to share today so you can follow him make sure you follow on Twitter and I of 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