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Galaxy S 5 rumors, iOS 7 extended hands-on, & Nokia EOS leaks: Pocketnow Weekly 048

2013-06-13
Apple finally took a hot iron and a box of crayons to ios7 but how does it look in an in hand device will talk about that Samsung's latest blast of products will also talk about those and a few rumors of the Windows Phone camp Plus listener mail on episode 04 eight of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocket now where we discuss smartphones tablets and the state of mobile technology in 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now today I'm joined briefly at least by editorial in chief and grand master of gradients Brandon minimun good morning to you father do I make you proud you always make me proud son and senior editor and mega man Taylor Martin good morning to you Megaman what is though are you like that ask Taylor question um what yeah so we're Taylor's reviewing the galaxy mega 6.3 and it's a loaner from negri electronics and usually we would send it back after week but Taylor actually might want to buy it for personal use I just want to know why that is crazy talk I do want to know why too yeah yeah it's a little laggy just like every other phone running TouchWiz um but but the the Snapdragon 400 is what most people don't like about it and it's really not that bad the 400 is it actually is faster than the note 2 in about everything it does so it's kind of crazy but it's actually fast um relatively it's not gonna you know be faster than the one which I have a comparison making that right now um are you doing a mega vs HTC one i am i am i'm editing it or i was editing it before you called me nice um yeah yesterday was a wash though uh it was supposed to go up yesterday and it just it was not happening um because as some people on Twitter heard me rant um it's kind of noisy here okay yes I speak with the speaking harika spook you have noise i'm sorry i do want to get this out before I get any more transients here um we I have some men working on the outside of my building and it is happening literally right outside my window and there you know that's there it's awesome there there I'm not irritated but I'm going to be making liberal use of the mute key because I also has the door open to the sound booth and I have that open because I'm listening for the buzzer because the UPS man is coming with a with a with a qwerty a physical QWERTY device for me and I think Taylor you're getting that one of those today too aren't you is it today I think well I mean I never got to ship they were sending it out they were sending it out pretty much immediately so yeah I think Taylor Martin and I both are getting our blackberry q10 s in today so watch for unboxing at least one unboxing today you go your your email responsiveness is gonna go through the roof or what are you know yeah I know our productivity is just gonna just skyrocket yeah well I would but mega yeah yeah mega dose it I I thought Tony was crazy when he said the phone pad is awesome and I still kind of do no offense to Tony but the phone pad is not gonna fit in my pocket it's about the same size as the nexus 7 that does not fit in my pocket this is the upper limit of what my pocket can hold and yes it's two-handed but I've gotten used to that with a note I can use the note one-handed but it's more comfortable used to handed and the mega is a 200 device and I don't mind that it's huge and I love it and one of the main reasons is because it's screen is large enough to actually have a larger or lower DPI which means you get more information on the screen so in the browser you get maybe thirty or forty percent more of that physical page versus you know just being able to see ya bigger it's not bigger it's more information on the screen formerly something you had to resort to like a custom rom to do on right droid DNA or something like that yeah right you can you can root and change your your dpi but the problem is that you're making it smaller on a smaller screen and then if you don't have great vision but I mean I do but everything just gets super small on a smaller screen on this it's big enough to have a lower DPI so you get tablet applications well not quite but close to like Google now in for most homes is full screen like all your cards are pretty close to full screen on this they're smaller they take up maybe there's like a half inch margin on each side of the card the Mustang yeah you know ppi tail uh the pixels per inch 233 it slow you know it slow that's still pretty that's actually a little higher than I expected I've been working with tablet last couple days though and in those high ones see if you use the note 2 and you're okay with it the screen really isn't that much worse it's it's a little more fuzzy but it's not terrible and and for me to be a pixel junkie and say it's okay it's uh I was crazy I was gonna say you got to send it to Brandon so he can immediately give it thumbs down yeah but I mean I've been carrying the ipad mini and this would completely negate their need for an ipad mini yeah because it's so big just envisioning that so one of the things we noticed is that the DPI was less than 500 which we really don't like I want to talk to Brandon about resolution so so to suit I just want to kind understand your your usage of wine wine so what I want to make a note Brendan only does have a half hour for to be on the podcast I really want to talk about iOS so but but I I know you want to talk mega so go ahead yeah so so am i right to assume Taylor that you are used in your tab but a lot less because this is just such a bigger screen experience yeah I used to carry them die pad mini and use it all the time and I haven't used it since the mega came in I haven't touched it so yeah it's just it really just it is a phablet after you use this and you go back to the note to the note to feels like a normal phone again like like a like a DNA or Oh HTC One it just feels small it's similar to after a couple days using the note 2 going back to the s3 for me felt like going to a miniature phone yeah it feels like you're just like oh my gosh but the funny thing is i'm using two phones at once i'm using the iphone 5 in one pocket or one hand and the maggot in the other so i'm using like the two extremes so yeah it's like the mega is my tablet now and the iphone is my phone it's kind of crazy but i love the mega as far as as this has gone so far it the honeymoon period is over and I still really like it as anyone said to you what the hell is the matter with you why is your phone so far yes but the funny thing is the crazy thing I was sitting in a coffee shop yesterday and I had several people ask me about it one guy was like that is ridiculous he's an iphone user avid Apple fan he's like that's stupid why would you ever want something that big it doesn't even fit in my pocket he wear skinny jeans and it doesn't fit in his pockets but there were two older gentlemen that i talked to regularly one he doesn't like really like android that much he had an EVO the original evo and he went back to a blackberry and i showed him the mega and he's like wow that is awesome i want it i want it now i showed him the note too few months back and he's like I don't care the mega he's like I want that who sells it I want it right now I'm just like what are you talking her what how old are we talking here he is i would say late 50s early 60s yeah see this is that's the same as I think that happened when I was taking my dad phone shopping and we came across the the note series on the Shelf either sees the note 2 and he's like wow what's this now this I could get behind you know because like he's not an invalid or anything but his eyesight is not is not as good and he's like yeah well I can see what I'm doing on this yeah well this guy what his reason is he's a travel writer and he's a photographer and he shows off a lot of pictures to clients and all sorts of things and he said I carry around a 10 inch tablet to show off my pictures because it just doesn't make sense to show it off on a phone because it's too small that's why I went back to a blackberry and got a tablet and he's like that thing is big enough to where I could show off pictures and not have to carry a second device like it it's it's that perfect balance between the two and the other guy he saw the note 2 and instantly fell in love a few months ago he's like man what is that I want it right now I need it I need it and he went and he wanted to trade in his iphone and get a note 2 and I showed him the mega yesterday and he was just blown away like he's like I need this that forget the note I want this so it's interesting because I've actually had about a balance like my friend she she just got an s4 and she's like I like that mega that's awesome I mean most people i mean the lone differentiator on this device is size that is it yeah it's just bigger and it doesn't even have an S Pen like it it's not see for me I every time I go back to my note 2 I don't really necessarily fall in love with the size of the screen irie fall in love with the s pen and the enhanced feature set around that so the mega would just drive a nut yeah that's one thing that I'm definitely going to harp on it in the review is why I'm well that should have had an S Pen yeah yeah but why did Samsung need to create an entirely new brand because the note brand also has much larger devices if the note brim was only for this one size phone no bigger than say 5.5 inches okay I would understand but there's a note 8 a note 10.1 why would you create an entirely different brand and I understand that they're they're not building up on the specs it's got smaller like I guess less impressive specific yeah also the solution is that they want to bring that big size Android devices to a market the segment that is not as not as willing to spend as much money because the mega is cheaper right yeah yeah but what doesn't make sense is why do they have the galaxy s4 mini why do they have the galaxy s4 active all these other galaxy s4's that really aren't a galaxy s4 but they have the same branding and they can say between yeah I have less impressive specifications than the s4 but they also have the same branding yeah it's really credit close it's a phrenic approach to get tomatoes isn't this phone would be better with an s pen and it would be better and probably be marketed more marketable with the note brand well Gribbs just me I don't know why they would need to create an entirely different brand so well that's not that that's not the only new samsung brand that we're we're seeing and we're actually going to get to some of that in android I do want to take advantage of the time at brennan's here can we can we talk iOS real quick it's totally alright good I I do want to i do want to get two more announcements out of the way before we do Adam Dowd's review of the touchpad go the webos tablet that that couldn't or that didn't it is yalla ya go check that it's also adam downs first video so that's awesome i was really great to see adam doubt jokes in video form and not text form so that was fun and also the season finale of the pocket now live our hangout series our primary hangout series is coming up tomorrow both you gentlemen gonna be on it or what hello yeah brendan is gonna be there Taylor I haven't been contacted so I don't know oh I'm guessing that's a no you've been her upped your characters been killed off though has invite no has anybody hi has a sad though oh you has a sad I'm sorry well the tailor Martin character has fallen down an elevator shaft so he won't be appearing on the season finale maybe you'll come back next season as a ghost I'm already a ghost to the pocket oh you are Casper ah oh the pocket and I'll live we'll be taking a hiatus it is not a cancellation by any means it's josiah test and yes everyone asking on YouTube the pocket now daily is still a thing but Jaime Rivera has been on vacation so when he comes back the pocket daily will also return so all that are being said well he's been very great and very quick at at annotating videos and everything that even though its missile education and that night yeah yeah I uploading and boom it's annotated like wow that is crazy hi Marissa also now has my blackberry z10 I just sent it to him the other day nice also segue killer yeah whatever it is it what is it second demolisher boom boom oh ok no no also good we only have a few more minutes with Brendan I want to hear about iOS 7 Brendan you've given us a walkthrough of the new software on the iphone Taylor I believe you are running a beta of iOS 7 as well I am as well yes ok so I just kind of want to sit back and let you guys tell me about your impressions of this new software overall after a period of using of course i'll be at the beta for a couple days now and i want Brandon to go first yeah so I've been trying to figure out how to think about this because it's not it's not a big change and yet it is and what I've concluded is that Microsoft and Google are trying to change the way that we use our phones Google through google now and Microsoft's through live tiles by bringing information to you before you need it where you know you need it an apple isn't doing any of that it's still a very hunt and peck I don't know if that's the right term kind of operating system works just completely at based and the redesign is extremely thorough it touches every last little tiny part of the operating system and the design is is modern it seems that flat has become modern although in three years from now you know well be wearing bell-bottoms again and we'll be doing skeuomorphism this Q morphisms will be modern once again so this is a very trendy design to keep up with sort of the way the windows phone is looking and that Windows is looking in all these other flat designs but it's a really good redesign and an apple has introduced something I think that's entirely new that we haven't seen before on any other mobile operating system and they use it everywhere and it's so subtle but it's so beautiful which is this like frosted glass this Gaussian blur that my favorite example of it is actually in the text messaging application which i think is just a perfect example of good design and and like you get these blue bubbles if they're I messages and if you scroll up or you scroll down the UI elements are just slightly front they're like frosted pieces of glass in and it's just the slightest bit you can't see through it you can't read the contents but it's enough to where the glass or whatever becomes slightly tinted as you slide on by so it's as though you're texting on your shower door or something yeah but it's a lot it's a lot more okay like it's like a like a d focusing yeah yeah yeah it's a lot it's a lot nicer than ever the effect is that the UI elements take on sort of the content design and another example this is in the dialer I don't know if you've seen this tailor but in the dialer when you press on a digit you see through to the wallpaper that you said uh I haven't noticed because I have a solid color wallpaper so like the dialer the dialer has those circular buttons right and you're saying when you press on the buttons like they become transparent and reveal your wallpaper yeah yes so so now I don't go ahead as I say Apple tried to sort of define iOS 7 in like layers like there's your wallpaper followed by your icons buy stuff that floats on top and I get that that the thing it thing about it is that it still feels the same to me it's more pleasant to use I i think i got that delight that i was looking for that was missing in iOS but it's still the same old things and for me that means that i'm going to use iOS 7 if they come out with cool hardware i'll probably use it but i'm probably going to be back on android a lot sooner than I then I was with other versions of iOS because it's just there's there's nothing really new here and and the newness of the glass stuff and the the nicer font is gonna wear off really fast yeah but that's actually about what I was going to say it's new it looks great and it's exactly what Apple needed to kind of bump that buzz up again you know turn it up a little bit and getting people excited um the one thing I don't like is how colorful to you I is I like bright colors I explain this after the announcement I really like bright colors I mean if you look at half of my home screen setups most of them have really really vibrant colors but these are like almost pastel and in some cases their fluorescent and neon like the the dialer I mean not the dial the phone and the messaging yet yeah so is it like you like you broke up on a highlighter and like spilled it on parts of the UI is it that kind of color quality it is but the weirdest thing and by the way you really see this when you're like outdoor and the screen automatic screen brightness good as one hundred percent the weird thing is I had no idea that a smartphone to spy could display near neon colors and it's it's a little bit ballsy for Apple because it kind of hurts my eyes but it's something that you don't see on any other device because I think right other companies are like no one's gonna like this yeah app was like we're gonna be ballsy enough to do it so that puts me in mind of like one of my favorite tweets I saw about you in this whole discussion because like the day following the iOS announcement 7 announcement everybody was talking about this and they still are to a degree and of course we're talking about a lot but somebody was I forgot who was something somebody said the the fact that iOS 7's visual design is polarizing is a really good sign that Apple's doing the right thing and it's true because I mean only bold moves generate responses that are this you know black and white I mean some people really hate iOS 7 and some people adore it and very few people are kind of like meh whatever you know that's I think that's great I and I think it is it is bold and it had to be and a couple of other UI examples that at first I didn't know how I felt about that the signal bars for the first time is literally any phone I've ever used in my life are now these little dots and I'm thinking myself like why would they change something that people are so familiar with and I don't have a really good answer except that by putting those dots up there Apple has made it so that if your friend is an iphone and they're in a third-party app like Facebook and therefore the UI is Facebook's you can still tell if they've got the latest and greatest Apple software just by glancing up at their dots up there so it's kind of like this identifier that helps people say yeah I've got them I've got the new the new thing oh well that's true because it's always present yeah I think it ties back to the commercial that are the little ad they ran at the beginning about the keynote that I didn't get to see with all the dots tumbling everywhere and reforming and splitting apart yeah yeah I don't know it's it's symbolic I guess I don't know no I wish but I wish that that that design element kind of bled into more parts of the OS because we started right we started the event with that dots commercial and wow it looks like somebody's dropping beads of oil on a moist towel and they're all flying everywhere and whatever or it's like you know Adams week congealing and doing their thing but aside from the signal CREF you know there's that's not really present in any other part of the OS I mean we got the round dialer buttons maybe but I don't know well oh yeah yeah its your right its only the dialer and actually if you go into the favorites tab in the dialer you get a little picture now next year your favorite people in their circles and it's so weird because there it just seems out of place because they're there aren't circles anywhere else throughout the operating system yeah just a few other comments while I'm I'm chatting my head off here I cannot stand these icons did the Safari icon and the Settings icon so every icon has been re redesigned right every icon has been redesigned some of them are totally inconsistent some of them some of them literally look like they are made in 1982 they're just so yeah they're they're kind of schizophrenic again um if you look at Game Center it's 3d the bubbles have kind of a that um arrow view to them their 3d and glossy but if you go to the photos icon it's flat and has the same color pattern did you go into Game Center yet Taylor I'm afraid I don't you just it is so weird and silly it's just these 3d floating bubbles I just I don't understand yeah I mean they're dirt there's still a lot of inconsistency here um some of the icons are literally totally flat some still have a little bit of a shine on the top Taylor what do you think about the background shifting as you move the phone um like I said I have a flat background a job just a plain gray and I did that because it kind of it was kind of useless and it looked cool for a few minutes and it was some people when you show them but and that that's about it I do have it on the lock screen I have the live little animated wallpaper on the lockscreen iPad it's cool but that's another thing i don't i don't like the new lock screen it looks nice what does it look like it's just gotta like a swipe up arrow on the bottom slide up shonlock know it slide up reveals the control controls and sliding down reveals Notification Center not quick controls what is a control center control center yeah yeah um and then you have your longtime advocate the date Eddie on health applications slide to the left and that's the problem notifications appear in the middle and before you had a designated button when you touched it would show a button and you would swipe and you would you even though you're opening to that on this there's no really way to tell if you're you're swiping to unlock or swiping to unlock using one of the notifications until you're already too late now unless you do it really slowly sandy usability shift there that's annoying yeah it's just uh there's the the UI is so simple there's no indication of whether you're really opening it until you see that the whole thing is moving all right I'm the problem is there's no visual cue to sell where you should touch you have to touch on the edge of the screen and I don't know it's just um it's it's different it's different and so the problem is notifications they're so big you only see three at a time so when I've left my phone on you know I was it do not disturb for two hours they're literally 50 notifications there and you just have to scroll and scroll and scroll before it was um it was much more condensed these are really really large notifications so I've got a question I while we're talking about notifications and the lock screen and stuff like that we've had we've seen this kind of predictable thing emerge where some folks who have an eye for design or don't have whipped up a bunch of renders showing the iphone and then a windows phone next to it and then finally showing iOS 7 on a on an iPhone and the implication of course is that Apple stole a bunch of design cues from metro / modern so to show you one I mean what what is what do you see that guy i see i see it to a degree i think everyone steals from each other and doesn't really bother me all that much but do you guys think that that's warranted I mean Brandon would what's your thoughts on that yeah I see Android and Windows Phone throughout the entire operating system and I don't really have a problem with it I think I think it's just the weight I mean it's kind of like would you you know if you were building a new house and and everyone you know the trend was for a brick house you build a brick house because that's a brick house wow thanks I see it everywhere um I've got it I gotta jump off it shortly but I want to actually have a little closing thought here yeah I think we're seeing an interesting change in apple um Apple used to be this is what I've been thinking about as I look at iOS 7 and I say to myself there's nothing here that's revolutionary nothing to wow anybody I think Apple used to be a two-man show when Steve Jobs alive Steve Jobs was the visionary on software he also dude hot new hard work quite a bit but Jonny I was really the hardware guy and so when Steve died the vision behind the software kind of got slowed down a lot so they put Johnny I've and the best that Johnny could do is come up with kisses is it Joanie I'm sorry is it Joanie or johnny is this it's Johnny but I say Joanie because it's cuz of the one end yeah sorry sir I've got a mean interrupt I was just curious and so I think we're gonna see a future Apple where they're gonna be more until they find someone like steve jobs that can anticipate the world's technological needs before he can think of it i think it's gonna be apples going to be a company that's going to focus on hardware and they're gonna be a few beats behind and software all the time but there's their hardware is going to be industry-leading generation after generation and and and and that's gonna side that's i think that's going to slow the company down i think that's going to depress the stock price because you know we you get you get to press talking about this stuff and saying that you know iOS is not revolutionary windows phone and android are better but they're gonna rely on the hardware just to sell product and how do you think that's gonna go for them I mean yeah sure the stock price may never sent may not see it sold Heights for a while but I mean people are still going to keep buying iphones by the truckloads I mean especially if the hardware is really amazing right we've got the next iPhone coming out in just a few months or I'm going to be announced I mean what's gonna happen eventually as if they if they get too far behind in the software and and Google and Microsoft are way ahead there's gonna become this this terrible disparity between what you can do on an Android and what you can't do on an iPhone and right now it's not that much you know Google now you know you don't get the same integration and there's other things q Taylor Martin talking about sharing a they're sharing but like most people don't care about sharing at about Google now but in the future when Android can like cook your dinner and iOS is still you know Cyril earned one new thing who gives it when when home appliances are integrating with Android and not with iOS because that's that's the next big push that's what LG is trying to do that's what other companies are trying to do their fitting refrigerators and all sorts of things with with wireless technology that you can see what's inside your refrigerator while you're at the grocery store you can see you can start your oven you can preheat your oven while you're on your way home you know all these new things that that Android is capable of doing because it's open iOS is going to have to change at least something about being so closed I I mean it's I don't know if that's the best example because I've got a bunch of home automation stuff like lighting and climate control and it works just you know fine on iOS it doesn't work airports it wouldn't let him nest nest works fine but but they had to work with with Apple to implement that right i mean they'd is that that's the what you're driving at taylor yeah yeah Apple is so controlling over what can be done with the platform that they're holding it back that's that's the point I'm trying to me right and this is that philosophical argument you can have over and over and you know the response is that yeah and look at where they are they're like near the top as far as far as smartphones in the world but then again you Louis so is ah you that's a solid counterpoint I was gonna say so his Android but you have a better point yeah so a symbian till was blackberry mm-hmm so so it was palm at one point yes so yeah I mean Brandon I think those are those are excellent thought I really I'm glad we got to get your your first hand impressions on this I mean obviously I we can ask Taylor anytime but your time is limited today so we wanted to get your get your voice on the show so thank you yeah glad I could talk about iOS because I've been waiting for something to change and now it's sort of here um anyway so uh I guys be good and will do we will behave make me make you a little proud well I will continue to crush segways like I was born to ya make sure yes that Taylor neck ways and and Michael you make funny sounds and i will i will keep doing I'll singing I'll keep singing old you know 70's songs as well while I sing show tunes no no there will be none of that what about what about the ink spots hey I don't yeah alright Brandon I think I think that's your cue I was gonna do a drumbeat on the way out okay that's gonna do it for this episode oh no that's the wrong transition okay we're gonna start talking about Android and I'm not lose weight around all right we get off the topic of iOS 7 can I say one more thing yeah yeah please do I my favorite application on iOS that I've recently downloaded is called boxer it's an email client that recently came out and it it's meant to help you shift through our sift through all your email quickly just swipe swipe swipe swipe kind of like mailbox um and it's broken in iOS 7 so I downloaded it two days before the announcement and I've been using it and I got very used to it I liked it and loved it now I've got nothing like it on Android and it's broken on iOS 7 and that's the bad thing about downloading and installing a beta yeah is there so many broken things so it's definitely still a beta it's very much a beta when you unlock the the clock kind of overlaps itself there are two instances of of the status bar and you'll see two clocks to battery leaders to everything for just a split second and it's just it's very rough around the edges but that gets me to my next point it is rough around the edges it's not a final version and we may see more features we may see even new interface elements and new things by fall because that's how iOS 6 was they announced it at WWDC and by fall it had new features so just wanted to throw that out there before long that's good you know that's that's you're making a good point there and it also gave me time to do something unrelated so thank you welcome let's know we already talked to mega to death you compared to the note 2 and we already kind of cover that at the top of the show so I don't want to talk about the mega but if we can jump into Android I want to point out that we are a stupid fickle dumb industry because I I'm mining I you know what I'm going to talk about I'm mining the pocket now front page for stories for the pot for the podcast I think I was doing it this morning and I'm like all right what's going on in Andhra I blah blah and I'm like oh my god are you serious early galaxy s5 rumors yes look to it all metal design I feel like I did when we did that show about the nexus 5 like like just six months ago and I'm like come on but i i'm i'm going to put it in the title listeners you already know this because you've already downloaded it but I know I'm yes I'm putting it in the title because you know hey more more ears but and but also because we do have to talk about it briefly because I was just thinking about this yesterday and I don't remember exactly the terms under which this this came about but I was like you know Samsung has got to oh no I do remember okay so remember how I told was talking about the note 2 earlier in the show yeah I was at rehearsal last night for the show I'm doing in boston and i was taking some notes on my no tune almost like God I really loved this thing I should use this more often and then I was thinking God if only if only I liked the design more if only the design was a little more awesome and then I started thinking about the note 3 which there are rumors galore about that but I was like man what if that comes out with a really amazing design and then what if the s5 at some point Samsung's got to abandon their love affair as Stephen shank says with this cheap feeling plastic and we've talked about that I don't know about 150 times but the the latest rumors or maybe the only rumors about the galaxy s5 which by the way who knows this came to us from Android geeks via BGR so who knows but and sorry not took not to cast aspersions on either of these I was just saying it's not our original story we just didn't compose directly you know that if we're to believe this source so Stephen Samsung could be taking a page from HTC and the one and deliver a fully aluminum galaxy s5 now of course by this time next year aluminum is going to be passe and everyone else will have moved on to you know cobalt adamantium yeah unobtainium fully unobtainium shell oh and the apparently this tip comes from the anonymous trusted source close to the South Korean phone maker who knows what that means they could be it could be anybody a korean street meat vendor outside of samsung's as a South Korea headquarter 8 degrees of separation Sam yeah but I I think the reason I included this in the rundown was not just so that we could laugh and about the stupid thing but do we really how stubborn do we think Samsung is that's my question to you do you think that they will go and other generation after getting really beaten up in the press and some would say unfairly beaten up in the press for using the same old materials I mean Apple can do it because their Apple and Samsung is massive and they can do it I have no doubt that they would survive and flourish even if they did a galaxy s5 in plastic but do you think they will Apple can do it because they use great materials you know they do they do and I that's a before any argument before in the 4 s's is a fun thing to cite when you're making fun of Apple right because it's like look what they did it's just the same thing but the four was a delicious piece of hardware yeah it was the first time and it was the second time and it still is with the iphone 5 although what I would have loved to have seen it bigger and a different design mm-hmm with Samsung what they're doing is they're creating a lineup that is just literally every step between it is every stepping stone between the smallest and the largest foam and they're trying to get it to where every single one of them has the same design so I I don't want to say that the note 3 or the s5 won't have the same design but for them if they want to continue this and finish what they started they won't they'll have the same exact plastic design with the faux metal trim and all that jazz well right you're bringing up memories of mwc when Tony and I were shown that note 8 for the first time and it matched the leaks exactly and it looked like a blown-up s3 and it's like all right so you've got to give them points from being consistent you got to be like all right cool you guys have a vision and you're sticking with it and your your deal is lightweight glossy plastic fo metal fine that's your thing and you're making a family base runner so yeah that's another thing how likely do we think that they're going to abandon that for an entirely new design language given how much they've thrown into this already if nothing else you can tell the Samsung device when you look at it yes a somewhat generic yes but they're still also like oh yeah that's it that's a galaxy and why would they abandon something that's perform me so well write the s4 look at the cells yeah it's outpacing all of the other galaxy s cells combine which is just nuts and this is a factor I'm sure there's a name for this in marketing and in sales and in business circles and all the schools that I didn't go to the when I was busy in acting school but you know it's like there's that that notion that once you are big you you you get bigger faster right it and we've seen this to you know you see this on youtube you see this in any kind of metrics really like the more audience you have the faster your audience grows and it kind of is the snowballing you know if the exponential thing as narcissistic as it may sound that's how I filled with with twitter and google+ right now i mean i don't have a ton of followers or anything mm-hmm but once i started gaining followers they just kind of started adding on and adding on and adding on and that's why I've just kind of been pushing it hold on I just need to just need to buy a domain real quick unfollow Taylor Martin's haha yeah yes oh yes you're right and they're doing so well because they're so big and because the name recognition is so great with the galaxy Brian now yeah it's it's um it would be stupid for them to abandon it at least marketing wise absolutely but to appease the press the only people that are really upset about it it really wouldn't make that much sense from a business standpoint yeah cuz feet millions and millions tens of millions of people are buying these things and then were yes and dozens of millions more will and it's yeah yeah I mean it's true yeah it's not going to stop um because it has plastic yes it feels cheap but yes it works right and it's the most well-rounded offering on the market it really is like most well-rounded in terms of like how do you mean it it speaks to just about everyone it has a removable battery expandable storage the best specifications you can get on a phone at least the best collection of specifications you can get on a phone right great camera so it has its like the iPhone I've said this for years the iphone is not best it's never really been the best at everything but it's great at everything so it's it it's but that's what it does it's yeah it's it's it's it's really great at what it is able to do yes so let me rephrase that it's the best and only a few things but overall it's a very balanced device it's it's great at a lot of things not the best at everything so the samsung's their samsung d samsung samsung's newest devices are kind of the same thing they're they're really balanced in that they're great at a lot of things but they're not the absolute best and everything and that's that's a good thing yeah we're seeing the galaxy s4 is its use me the galaxy family well and the galaxy s family grow here we've complained a lot about the galaxy brand dilution here at Pocket know and I think rightfully so because Samsung really just will throw the name galaxy on anything mobile anything with a with it with a radio in it basically Oh some bluetooth headset it's the Galleon samsung galaxy blue yeah right like that does s4 i probably should but yet they're even there even but they've always shown a little bit of restraint with the s monica right there's like galaxy yes exactly and that's what i want to talk about so we saw the galaxy s we saw the galaxy s2 and then all the u.s. variants of that the galaxy s3 and then they started doing this galaxy s3 mini galaxy has too many that's kind of thing in the galaxy s4 mini blah blah blah blah blah but now we're starting to see the galaxy s4 active and we announced that this was official i think last week we didn't announce samsung announced and we talked about it on the show no we announced it yeah we announce yourself Sam house does to announce yeah exactly right I'm sorry I'm sorry you're right but we the galaxy s4 active became official to the surprise of no one but now just this morning before the show started we got the release from AT&T that the second largest carrier in the US is going to pick it up and it's going to launch soon it's launching it unlike in like Oh dearest yeah it's launching in exactly eight days also I can hear the construction in the background oh my yeah you could probably hear big trucks driving by in my background so I can't can't hear anything Ephram you're an electron because I'm just getting hit remember I mean a four by six box with dudes directly outside with staple guns like it's it hurts what are we talking about so the guy was Erez and so we talked about the galaxy s brand but now we're seeing the galaxy s4 active which is gonna launch in a like a week and that's exciting to me because I love waterproof phones I love and what have we complained about this whole time with the s-series whatever we just talking about Taylor the Samsung phones right well that but the galaxy phones feel cheap because of this hyper glazed BS and Samsung has proven it with devices like the rugby for AT&T and some others that they know how to make a beefy device that actually feels sturdy in the hand so mix most of the specs from the galaxy s4 with that hardcore physical construction I mean you have a beautiful device there with a 1080p just display that can you know endure some abuse I can't wait to test it out and I'm really looking forward to just just beating up on it and seeing how well it can hold up because they're active period that one I would love to I actually waiting to hear if we get a review device soon or not because actually we we kind of extensions really good about getting us devices early they're probably the best and I'm a little surprised we don't have one already so we will see you know I've dead like eight Samsung phones right here seriously yeah I'm just buried in samsung prada because they're really good with demo devices i really like the way to do it but you know hey we'll see but that's not the only new Galaxy S device we also also have an official announcement of the galaxy s4 zoom wah wah let's talk about this thing huh listeners if you don't know what the galaxy s4 zoom is neither do we I am looking at a photo of it right now and I still don't really get it it's like a galaxy camera and a galaxy s4 mated and produced an offspring it's like they cut both of them in half and just glued them together yeah just Tony even calls it a Frankenstein device in the post apparently this so it's if you are not looking the post if you're running like our friend Nick gray is or if you are riding the bus or something and you can't look this up it looks like a galaxy s4 with a big ol lens sticking out the back I mean that's about the best i can do right yeah yeah except for its really really really rounded very rounded but just rounded as the s4 is no look at the back you see the back I don't see the back because there's not a back there's not a photo of the roll down to the comments to the comments oh alright oh oh uh uh it's very very very very real so grant Butler posted the the press image of the back of the thing we I went to a school the guy named grant Butler is that right what nots the same guy so I don't know look look the shutter release has been moved to the top too just kidding it wasn't grandmother just kidding no well that's dumb so yeah son lens this thing but you know I think it actually looks better than the galaxy camera does I always thought the galaxy camera was a clunky looking thing this actually looks like I wouldn't mind carrying it now you know it's funny i'm tempted to because of the speed with which samsung appears to develop things i don't seriously believe this but it is funny to think about to think that maybe this is a product of all those eos rumors like three weeks ago Sam seems like wait what are they building all right a couple this together real quick and then like back ya hear galaxy s4 soon this is just photoshopped this isn't even real yet right yeah this thing that now ow do you HD oh I'm sorry it's a qhd screen yeah 4.3 inch super amoled with qhd 965 words I 40 ouch 1.5 gigahertz dual-core processor that be Harry no idea what it is varies on the market though it could it that might change for ya ok a 16 megapixel main camera on the back I got a chance could fix that touch yes this was made in Maine this camera only works in the northeastern United States a ten times optical zoom at between 24 millimeters and 240 millimeters and f-stop 3.1 to 6.3 24 millimeters at 3.1 is actually pretty terrible so yeah yeah android is Moses yeah most you'll see 2.81 something you know most phones are 2.1 I believe all right right um one point five gigabytes of ram 8 gigabytes of internal storage that needs to stop Samsung stop it yeah because we see I storage thousand four and because the stein the counter-argument is well it has a micro SD card slot what do you care about on-board storage and the reason you care about on-board storage still is because the stock image TouchWiz image takes up one point five gigabytes before it installed get out of here Samsung come home and yeah as I understand it now I was always one of these people I was like I don't care if you put four gigs of storage ons and just give me a memory card slot and I'm fine but i took whoa but android doesn't really or google doesn't really incorporate the SD card with android anymore matias duarte has effectively killed that it that ship has sailed how I'm not behind on this news legitimately I actually don't know why he came forward and said before that having two drives is more confusing for the end user it's better to just have everything with onedrive I can agree to that somewhat the microsd card slot has a purpose it does but the way that it's working in android now it's kind of useless unless you carry your own media what happened before is you could move all of your apps or most of your apps to the SD card using stock software without rooting without anything you just download all your apps move them over to the SD card now you can't do that they took that option out interesting so an SDN SD card is used only for your own media or if you root which is not a valid argument you can move apps and other content over to the SD card interest ending is not a valid argument stop it people hey I'm on my soapbox today no that's cool I dig it I was just looking at this image again of the galaxy s4 zoom and you see that hole in the top yeah that I'm not seeing this called out on the sheet and maybe I'm missing it but it looks like there's an IR port the thing just like ps4 yeah that's ir yep is it called out on this thing mm-hmm no no no no anyway um I'm so happy the mega has I or it's like a it's the old technology that should be in everything because I don't want to reach for my my TV remote all the time yeah a phone cuz i'm already i usually have it in my hand anyway when i'm already on the like when i'm watching TV so boom power the TV oh yeah yeah so if you if you are checking this post listeners you can go down to the comments actually people have been sharing some pretty cool images including a hilarious somebody has intelligent yeah grafted onto a phone it's awesome but also a comparison a side shot comparison of the rumored eos from nokia and the assess for zoom and in that side shot the galaxy s4 zoom certainly shows it's true colors you know I just don't like this thick but you know I don't mind it I've always enjoyed that little antenna bump that the nexus s had and that the Galaxy Nexus head to a smaller extent and holding it vertically you can see that the galaxy s4 zoom it would look almost exactly like that I don't really mind that bump at the bottom / looks like a big bump I know Tony won't let very thick time not sure the quality will be all that great of the images yes no totally because the galaxy zoom images wait hold on what do we go to camera images are not that great exactly that's what I'm saying so yeah yeah for what it is it's not all that great if this were like a sony phone this might be something that i would buy i love so many sony imaging I just I'll just say that yeah yeah here's the tablet z yet that's a different story ah yeah take pictures with your tablet you should be smacked at least once per picture once per shot wide 100 i shooed so well I deserve a couple smacks myself yeah alright we trade smacks to the next stretch here I mean I'm not gonna offer anything up that I'm not willing to take so I just experienced like a bout of melancholy actually just when you were talking before about storage my mind wandered I'm like how tradeshows I we're not in trade show season I'm not going to any that's sad I haven't been anywhere since January i know i can think of my passport when he said I was going to e fo yeah well I don't have my passport I have to get that like yesterday I think the thing is I went to all the shows last year so I don't think I go to any shows that's coming here like I think I used up all my fun cards last year but anyway anyway let's move on to windows phone please because we were talking about the years and we might as well jump right into the Nokia EOS looking like the Lumia 920's twin which is this fun headline from Tony where that somebody has placed this is visi leaks i think yes from via wpcentral visi leaks has put a Nokia Lumia 920 next to a Nokia EOS apparently by this time it might be debunked but we don't have an update tag on this but anyway they look very very similar from the front yeah the first busy leaks was faked or at least it looked very faked because it was sitting in the grass there it was sitting in the grass and there were two different yet light sources and the branding on the camera was actually not embossed so so some it was some of it was an inset and some of it was not at all his flesh for flesh flush with the surface it wasn't okay you as human relations made with you mean flip a killer I mean look at the awesome watermark on this how can you not be hip gosh well yeah but you know I can believe this a look but it's this is kind of losing weight the aspect yeah the aspect ratio is different what do you got it on the wet on the display or just the the actual the photo well no the the actual size of the devices the eos is actually wider than the 920 you mean based on this photo are you saying that this credit photo or are you saying that's interesting about this rumored device it's interesting okay it looks wider the one with the camera bump or not bump but uh the one on the right shutter button yadon online 920 looks looks wider no the Lumia 920 on the left looks wider to me yes okay that's looming yeah the one on the right is the note so what this proves the point right they look so similar from the front and both of these are black devices and so it's it's harder I mean if they were whiter or cyan you could really tell body shape differences but you there's not as much detail because these are dark colored cases but what's interesting to me is that we haven't seen this design language before we haven't seen something as close to the Lumia 920 before the 928 looks nothing like a 920 from certain angles the 925 same difference the you know like Lumia nokia has decided to branch out from its and nine sourced you know design lineage but with this eos rumor Toews we're looking at something that's very much like what they were doing before so I'm confused which is also apparently running the next version a windows phone because it has the time um yeah at a time long clock yeah yeah yeah so I mean and that's cool i mean we expect that but I just didn't expect them to go backwards in design unless they've decided that ok for the variance we're going to be fun and we're going to make stuff like the 810 the 822 and the 925 and whatever but for the core solid flagship like for the for the year long halo we're gonna stick with the old design I don't know it's like Nokia is doing what Android manufacturers were doing two or three years ago which is what were they stick making carrier specific devices own different designs yeah no totally yeah that's exactly what's going on here and this looks like ok so the say the 920 is the galaxy s2 and the 925 is like the galaxy s2 epic 4g touch yeah yeah and then your your your EOS here would be the galaxy s3 or s4 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a good analogy I think if this is true now i don't know if this observation means that i don't trust the leak anymore but there's also seeing so many of these right they there has to be something to this yeah and and it could also be that this is a think of it like a shell but not finished hardware it's not a finished design it could be totally that that the the finished product might look more like the 928 or something new or something different but they stuck with you know an older design for the development process because we've seen that before as well we have yeah I mean normally when when there's it's not a case right I mean normally when they throw in a case we can tell but I understand what you mean if they're loading all the component dummy box but then again you know there are enough differences here what I think that would require an almost entirely different design and I don't think Nokia if you're talking about Samsung I'd be like oh yeah but I don't know if nokia has the resources to be like okay we're first we're gonna run a design on this beta hardware that's never gonna see the light of day and then we're going to design this also this other case for it I don't also be using like reusing scraps yeah I don't know hey hey pinching pennies man yeah man we all do it we have to in when you got to we're seeing I don't have this in the rundown but we're actually seeing some encouraging numbers out of Nokia i think in finland they finally well samsung's came along and smacked him down in finland writer but then they somewhere else in europe I'm sorry that I didn't put this on the run down now it just didn't occur to me we were seeing some encouraging very encouraging sales numbers from Nokia if anybody in the wants to point that out in the comments that would be awesome because I'm totally blanking right now and I don't want a google it I just scrolled down to the comments and there is an awesome one from Adam he says every time I see a new pic of the EOS I throw all my money and credit cards at the monitor but nothing happens yes yes yes you and every single one of us okay tell me about it i would i would give Windows Phone a try for something like the ears I'm saying it now and I mean it you can call my bluff I mean it unlike you saying you'd go back to the what LG LG rumor rumor yeah like Taylor and I'm a were having a conversation on Twitter about iOS versus Android and I was like you frickin people the chicken and the egg scenario where it all started who copied who first yeah so so boring but it was a fun fun discussion uh let's close windows phone because we have Wow way to discuss well basically the Huawei is basically the least exciting loi em to discuss in some instances like I don't necessarily get very excited about their android phones but it's always nice to see another windows phone OEM even though i don't think it's looking very good for for Windows Phone OEMs i I just I don't think anybody really has much interest in developing for it not develop why why do we linking hardware that you have to pay for when you could develop for android which there is a counter-argument to that because most and really woody has next about him i decided to use and they but they pay the licensing fee to migrate yeah exactly nobody you know it said because i was very excited back when windows phone 7 launched and was like wow look at all these guys they've got a big on samsung they've got LG they've got HTC and then there was a who's who's the who's the fourth who's into the fourth and that blast of Windows Phone 7 devices do you remember Del oh yeah del with the venue pro the most awesome thing I thought Dell was gonna come back on the venue pro because back then I just found buzz was huge so but I learned not to trust del after that that so-called III player that they were gonna release back in the day oh yeah is that thing I don't know it was so impressive everybody was like yeah this is gonna kill ipod and then it launched and nobody bought one yeah that happens right but see so but what has happened is that as that is abdul you know windows phone 7 ran into difficulties it wasn't adopted then they had to change the engine while they were on the racetrack with Windows Phone 8 and we saw these manufactured saw like these bombastic announcements like HTC comes I was like check it out now we're the awesome windows phone manufacturer and that just totally fell apart yeah well you know my stance on the start of windows form ah I wrote that editorial that you said was gonna just start a flame war and some people were like trailers are windows hater bamo like they always are mm-hmm but nobody really said anything like a lot of people actually agreed with what I said about windows home being boring by design now you said I was wrong in that but I didn't even go into the comments on that because I was afraid ask what does get like 170 comments right now I don't know I I wanted to stay away from it it was it was crazy because you know for the first like four or five hours there really weren't any negative comments but I was like is is this thing like actually live or somebody just accidentally find this in cherry but uh yeah there there were really no negative comments and there are some in there but it's not the typical you know typical explosion yeah it's for march against Taylor um it's a yeah there are some people that were like yes like their their marketing was very it was a very poor decision like it sounded good at the time i'm sure it really it really really did against you know black with listeners we're talking about the initial microsoft add blast with like you need to be saved from your phone yeah get in get into life yeah the slogan was Windows Phone will save you from your phone and you know that wasn't rate long and it was the approach yeah look there was a there was a that was a ever used that as a tagline oh yeah it was on an ad there was an ad that said that at the end in text really yes um that's where I got it if you google search windows almost save you from your phone you can probably find it that's right actually I'm gonna do it now I already did it and now Google's not giving me any of that action ain't got nothin I ain't using clothing I know the white windows phone you know the pops up pops up a lot of headlines that are very familiar in style windows phone 7 ads save us from our phones video yeah okay I believe you oh oh this video is private oh well anyway it doesn't matter so the point is we we yeah we had this Windows Phone thing we had this ad push okay today junior Ted I said today no so we have this ad push the apush didn't work right windows phones an option right blah blah blah blah blah the point is it's struggling to gain market share like it has been for years and as a result some manufacturers have backed up when was last time we saw an LG windows phone we have never seen an LG windows phone 8 device correct I wanted to write one might say that that's not a big loss but yeah I don't know I disagree with devices like the optimus G proving that LG can do interesting I would like to see another OEM there and then we had Huawei who was kind of strong on it and I expected the w1 and w2 like ages ago but those did not appear until recently I think some people have I think I'm gadget has a review of the W one out or something but this w2 is now rumored and the suggestion is that from the ad copy which shows it sitting in a tornado of water that the huawei w2 could be waterproof which is obviously one of the big things that's going on in phones right now and we don't have outside of Japan I don't think we don't have a windows phone that is waterproof right just just to update you on my status I just yawned a little bit did you did you wanna thank you thank you yes I found the ad if you'd like it I don't I don't know I I hate that I hate that idea don't send that to me hold on i will read it to you then all right it says oh come on now youtube buffering I don't hear I don't Kate I don't I don't care you're right here we go I don't care it's time for phone to save us from our phones the new windows phone seven pack of the new windows phone to get us in and out and back to life so my my take on that is that by design it is meant to be kind of uninteresting because they want you to use your phone put it back in your pocket and give back I always thought that was a bit of a stretch i don't think that's ever what they wanted to do i think that's what the I think the ad people looked at that looked at the windows phone and they took it home and they used it for a couple of days or weeks and they were like oh all right so here's this take let's do this bold fresh take on it and you know what I have to say those ads were funny oh yeah they were funny with a guy like using his phone at the urinal and the other guys like really and they did he probably the hot wife who's dressed up and she's like really yeah yo a dropped it in the Arnold in it yeah he dropped it that's the kid the kid who gets kingdom-based beaned in the head by a son yeah like I those ads were awesome they were funny yeah but they were basically directly trying to compete with blackberry and and that enterprise market where you know being off your phone isn't because right now it's a work phone and they want you to use it get back to work that was what blackberry was always designed for and that's why I'd never really succeeded in the consumer market and it was so great at you know I think you're I think you're overreaching I think it did succeed in the consumer market pretty well trillion tlie with the pearl and the curve well I mean it did for a short period but what I'm saying is that the company never ran itself blackberry never ran itself as a truly consumer-centric company was always about enterprise first right it was so that's what I was trying to get two babies like United Saddleback one day next up next up was enterprise for for a long time was corporate it was construction work and then they were like oh hey people really like this walkie-talkie because they can save on their minutes yeah that's have a string of retail stores so rather than it didn't perform well in the consumer market it did a lot of people had blackberries for a long time but it didn't succeed long in the consumer market it was it was like it flared up and then the iphone came out and then it just kind of died off yeah so yeah so you know I don't know if this is with this will be exciting I don't think we have a I don't know if we have a huawei windows phone on sale in the States I know but engadget generally doesn't review stuff that hasn't gone sailor here so I don't know what do you there you go what is this the ad I don't I don't get your I'm like waving I'm so done talking about this stupid head oh you funny smartphone addicts commercial yes yes all right so anyway the point is I'm done talking about that Huawei waterproof I want a waterproof windows phone that's all I'm saying I want to waterproof phone well it bone could get out of the galaxy attractive though get what what what's the matter with you get a you had the Xperia Z for a while I had the Xperia Z for a while that's all I'm gonna say a waterproof well with that I think it's time for listener mail wow this is the earliest i've ever been to listener metal yeah i know i know well the thing is i'm just antsy i want to get to the q10 it's not even here yep i want to get to it I want to get to the last listener mail question yeah well the thing is we actually a really good listener mail this time around so i wanted to say so i'm just a note before we actually read some of these letters some of these pieces of listener mail have got have gotten really kind of Awesome questions that are very technical and you're getting wrong they're getting long again please keep these short guys please please please because we are usually in a time limit but the thing is some of these technical questions are ones that I can't answer on the podcast and almost nobody can I think joke is the only one who can answer a couple of these so what I'm doing is I'm holding those in the buffer and I'm going to if it's possible turn them into editorials if Jo has the time to do them because some of them are really awesome technical questions so please stay tuned for those if you haven't heard them on the air you don't trust me you know you're actually really good too but dad but you're you know Joe like builds this stuff for Olivia Jojo does know a lot more than I do about development yeah low-level stuff colonel stuff yeah it was a lot more I know quite a bit but that's only from tinkering and learning through trial and error he actually knows this stuff because he does it for a living exactly and that's why I called him the handyman in our little commercials he's the handyman yeah there are a lot of coming because I I posted that pocket now commercial on it to my personal Facebook and I was like hey here's our new commercial and the only comment I got was Joe which I just had to read in his voice when I read it to myself he just shows up and all he says is I'm the handyman wow that's kind of creepy but uh yeah I can't no idea what I was gonna say well good let's get to Justin's piece of listener male hello pocket now my name is Justin and I listen to your podcast every week during my commute to school I might be in the minority but sometimes I wish they were a bit longer actually Justin you are not a lot of people say they wish the podcast could be longer and then that's why he keeps asking me to come back because I keep talking right because you just drag Taylor drags it out like a pro but then like right after those comments asking for it to be longer there's always some dip but whose is true walls like O'Dowd 43 who listens to this much podcast we want a an hour and 43 minute podcast condensed it three minutes right we expect no less a time so Justin thank you and also thank you for telling us where you listen to the show because I have this really weird thing where i'm like i really like knowing where people listen to us like like i say our friend Nick just let us know that he listens to the show on on his run on his jog and he's certainly not not the only one of those and he's from HTC source com by the way our friend Nick from from from CES in my case that did you yeah did you had enjoyed in me as well sorry I always get get it messed up who writes for whom got any weight Justin we're rooms were stepping all over your email i'm sorry i've been thinking about this question for some time now says justin and i was wondering what the pocket out team thinks do you think google will ever partner up with other OEMs to release google edition tablets also how do you feel about google edition tablets being released and then justin talks for a while about as his own thoughts on this now this is a good question at something i haven't really thought about okay well we cuz we've seen google edition smartphones right we've seen the galaxy s4 Google edition we're about to see the HTC one google edition these are cool things and we're familiar also with nexus smartphones and now nexus tablets but this is a specific question about a google edition tablet tablet that was released initially with the skin and then is given a google edition treatment right yeah um what would be the one what would be the one for you i don't know 22 points to make here a lot of tablets come with a lot more lightweight software than their their smartphone counterparts as soon as it is a perfect example yeah yeah yeahs assumes is a perfect example because their tablets are very stock like there's very little um they make very little changes when they build the software for their tablets which which is a different story now that they have you know the phone pad and the the the PadFone yeah cuz they but what the transformer brands were very stock like but then you get to the galaxy tabs the galaxy notes and all these other tablets and yes absolutely every manufacturer ever should make all of their phones available as a google edition at least maybe not cell phones or tablets both and and maybe they don't need to sell them through google but they should offer stock android on every phone because it's not that hard so this they have to that is not hard right but but but here's the thing think about the galaxy note 10 dot one running stuff android it would be useless you wouldn't be able to use the S Pen right yeah like the it wouldn't be optimized for those stereo speakers I don't think I mean I'm just kind of talking about there but the S Pen is the real thing like yeah that's Billy's the only reason I would consider a galaxy note n dot one is for the s pen and you wouldn't be able to use it yeah but the google edition galaxy tab would be a great idea why what because our galaxy tabs exciting why wouldn't you just buy a nexus 10 well yes in in this case you would use her buy a nexus 10 but I don't know yes I mean what would you mean exciting stuff no I'll tell you what an xperia tablet z yeah okay yes and actually justin says that a google edition xperia tablet z would have expandable storage would also be able to upgrade to the latest OS updates and of course hungry waterproof so that would be my number one choice i think yeah right now it's kind of hard to say because there are so many tablet manufacturers that really slowed down a sous was pumping out like six or seven eight different tablets per year and they really haven't done much of anything this year minus the the PadFone and foam pad so they really really turned that notch down quite a bit samsung they were releasing Galaxy Tab A the Galaxy Tab 8.9 the galaxy tab 10.1 the galaxy tab 7 the galaxy tab oh god I'm just asleep already I can't even keep up with all the galaxy tabs and this year they've had white rose I don't know much Galaxy Tab 17 the Galaxy Note 8 and that's well know that they've got the galaxy tab 3 or whatever has been announced yeah anyway I'm saying like they've all kind of turned it down a little bit yeah um and I think it's because gallic certain I gallic but android tablets haven't performed that exactly the iPad that's exactly it they get the android tablet world is just so as a whole frankly in my opinion is very very uncompelled i don't get it we go to these trade shows and you literally guys you can walk along the edge of the perimeter of the trade show in the wooded we caught the cesspool at CES and you could just find hundreds of Android tablets is it is the future everyone predicted back in 2009 except it's and it's just as bad it's these kind of knock off brand less android tablets are everywhere and even the ones from the may brands are underwhelming in most cases yep last year I would only have recommended three tablets and all of them were made by a sous yeah so it was the the transformer pad offended infinity the transformer pad 300 i think it was and the nexus 7 which getting back to those a sous tablets getting back to do the question you wouldn't be able to run them if they were google edition or you wouldn't be able to run them with their keyboard docks right oh yeah you would oh it's just a it's just a keyboard at that I'm sorry sue keyboard is that so okay so those are sorry you're right those are the opposite example those are the example of a good one in addition to the tablet see okay so so yes they should be available but he's like the note 10.1 no because there are things that really make it a different tablet that Google or stock software would not take advantage of the S Pen for example yeah so Justin makes them some great points here and it actually says the tablet purchases occur less frequently to in comparison to phones so having future-proof software's welcoming I totally agree Justin and it would be awesome I just don't think that there's really enough buzz yet with Android tablets because of all the things we just talked about too yeah to make this likely but Google i/o this year showed their dedication to pushing android tablet development yep so which every area every other phrase was Android tablets yeah develop Android tablet apps tablet apps tablet apps tablet apps I mean it's just like okay we got it yep and then a couple more hundred crimes tablet a tablet apps yeah which is which is great and it was so anything can happen in the future as always and Justin thank you for the email that is an awesome awesome awesome question and moving on to John Blake hi guys i would like to start off by saying i really appreciate the podcast they were very informative and a great source of entertainment for me thank you John welcome I currently have the essence before s and my contract isn't in soon my question is now that iOS 7 has been announced and we'll work on the iphone 4 and up what would it take for you to upgrade to the new iphone over the iphone 5 don't like okay yeah so John goes on to talk about is course gonna be a little thinner and lighter i know this impossible to predict but if you were in my shoes here's the real question would wait the extra month and see what is to come or would you assume that like most iphone upgrades there will only be a slight improvement and just get the phone now like the f-15 or maybe even an HTC One John I'm not going to go into the HTC one territory if you want to switch to android that's a totally different totally different conversation what is very interesting to me is this question of should I wait a couple months or should I get something right now I will never ever tell anyone if there's a device coming along in three months or less if there's an almost guaranteed chance that we're going to see a new device in less than a quarter or a quarter of a year I never tell anyone to get what's out there right now because even if you're seeing a jump from the four to the 4s for example the 4s actually performed much better in terms of speed and even a day when I hold a 4 and a 4s and I run like current apps on the current software like the four just lags like a champ and the 4 s's like what's up I'm just exactly you know yep speaking to food future-proofing that's kind of the point here if you wait just a couple months you're going to get a phone that's going to last a little bit longer right because the software coming in the future so yeah say you go with the iphone 5 it might not run well on iOS 8 next year exactly and I have I have a friend who constantly consistently upgrades her iPhone one generation behind like when the iphone 5 came out she was getting like the 4s and I'm like are you serious like you III get it right I understand why you would want to save a little bit of money up front and I understand that not everyone can afford that extra hundred dollars at the purchase point totally I can't I just put it on credit cards and I'm just an idiot but the thing is I it is anathema to me to to buy the last generation product when the new generation brothers come out because Taylor you said it future-proofing you just just don't want to get too far behind especially with Apple products because adding Apple gets a lot of unfair flack just because they do so many things well but some of the most justified flack they get is that their new software runs like crap on older devices you know I think it's partially intentional I think it is too I mean an accident by any strategy has been the court over it before there have been lawsuits intentional like built-in obsolescence they've been sued over i'm a surprise they deserve it because it's sickening so anyway John just lean is get the original iphone get the 07 iphone and just use SMS and that's all you need or the LG rumor good device or deer there you go very nice so thanks for all your help and keep these podcasts coming you're about halfway to 100 it is true John we're coming up on our one-year anniversary of the pocket now weekly podcast I'm just jazzed about that i love this podcast it's so much fun it is it is i'm sad when when Michael's like no you do not get to be on the podcast this week no I'm sad about that too but just like okay I'll uh I'll just sleep in that date yeah yeah I'll be record in the morning with my least favorite aspect of the bakken our weekly I have to wake up to do it so next question is from kind wha Murphy quinoa Murphy it's about it so uh kind kind of cranky noir I don't know but in what is definitely not quinoa that is a food and it's not about anything like that hey you don't know man you know Tim king was delicious by the way I I need to look this up you want to look at you like I cannot look at the stain real quick just call them Murphy now that's like district so mortal and whatnot right meaning of quinoa quinoa kind of baby names origin origin is Hawaiian Wow well I can see that its meaning is the name and now i have a funny videos for moms ad blasting in my ears featuring the cast of monsters so i'm very distracted thank you very much free dictionary or who everywhere anyway let's get to the point for the record says the mail you guys are awesome thank you also i really hope this is where to send listener mail because my ipad doesn't show a description of the last weekly and my 7th gen nano is confusing amen anyway i have a question for you what if webos never really stopped what it was doing what if it kept on going and gained the traction of os's like iOS or android even got the amount and quality of the apps that they have and webos was starting to pick up at one point do you think that it would be popular maybe android or iOS popular hope you guys will respond with your opinion awesome question yes and I thought yes or and Taylor says it was an awesome question well it was an awesome question okay um would it be popular maybe Palme was popular back in the day so there's every bit of possibility that webos could have been popular I think it came at the it was just a poorly timed product because it came out right just before the second android phone hit the market and that was the cdma HTC hero on sprint which they launched right beside each other a few weeks apart and or maybe it was now the hero actually came came right I've been know a bit later actually the the pre beat the hero because that's right was already doing was already starting to struggle a little bit and then I saw sprint talking about the hero and I was like guys don't don't do this don't just jump off the pre did too yes right yeah because i was working at best buy at the time and um yeah i got to free the day before it launched I think did you really yeah the pre yeah I had the original pre I didn't know how that you rocks the original pre what we talked about this a few weeks ago I had the original pre the pre to the preclusion yeah I'm sorry but I didn't oh you got it yeah I didn't know you got it on launch day I guess you got it on webos day 2009 06 06 06 05 yes ah that's we got in trouble because we bought him the day before and we were employees yes so you were running like you were running webos 1 dot 0 dot one day before they push that one that I ought to to fix some critical bug I don't know what it was did you by the way do you remember did you ever look in the in the webos debug logs like did you ever look at the code all the funny stuff that palm had to leave in the code because they ran out of time no oh god there was so much listeners if you can find this out there I can't even provide a link but if you can find it out there some forum maybe it was pretty central back then there's this great threat of like guys look at all this funny stuff in the code and the developers had just been like these commented out lines which were like this is really really Jenky and a workaround but it's we have to do this we'll fix later like it was everywhere and the camera app and the phone app is like this is really this is a crappy user experience but we have no choice if it's not but would it be popular today yeah I can answer that two ways would it be I don't know what we want it to be absolutely because a lot of us here pocket now love webos and what it was what it stood for everything about it um it can hardly of webos part of webos or at least part of the experience and Michael you're gonna hate me for this but part of it lives on through Android know it's true because matias campus matias duarte is the one who created the interface right or at least help he had his creation he headed the team that yeah so it was it was his creation the user interface for webos and and we're seeing a lot of that in android now despite the swiping while for the notifications from the notification shade that was that's straight at iOS wiping to close recent apps and all sorts of things so yes um in terms of user experience and everything it would be easy to use and and it was when we had it was a it was a bit of a learning curve because it was probably the first to use gestures like it did yes it absolutely was he and I I think that was a real big hurdle for it and that's why I didn't get you know we've had I feel like we've had a little bit of webos overload recently because well we had the anniversary today and we did a little unboxing and then Adam now has this touchpad go review up but it's funny because this kind of stuff comes in waves because just last night I was sitting there trying to get away from the internet and chirp an old friend of mine from the precentral boards actually tweeted I mean it was like hey check it out sparkle to just got released for webos and sparkles that game we were talking about a couple weeks ago without him on the show we're like it was the one of the only good games the touchpad had when it launched yeah and so I downloaded immediately I got hooked on it now sparkles of course available for other platforms but the amazing thing was that that 10 tons the developer bothered to release it for webos like it's it's like there's no hack it's in the HP app catalog you tap on it you pay HP three bucks and you get Sparkle too so I stayed up late playing that last night I was just bringing back all these great memories of webos so you know I think to answer the question I I agree with you completely Taylor we all would have wanted it to be popular web OS it would be my contention though that was not a victim of timing i think it came along at a great time in fact as I've said that before one journalist at the palm pre announcement said that when the web when webos was first unveiled he looked down at the iphone in his hand and thought that it may it webos made it look antic ated and old and janki oh yeah so that's something that that really happened i think everyone pretty much agreed with that webos was this cutting-edge thing that was beautiful but as we've recently learned from an interview that i believe the verge no somebody else conducted with jon rubinstein maybe it was the verge or i don't matter i can i missed it you missed it yeah I'm sorry I can't cite it properly right now but basically jon rubinstein was like revealed for the first time that the them getting into bed with sprint exclusively was because they had no choice they had a deal all rise and they fell through they had to deal with Vodafone that fell through so they were stuck with sprint yeah and he said that selling to HP was a big waste oh right and that was a great great quote he's like talk about a waste I wouldn't have ever wanted to sell at HP if I knew they were just gonna shut it down you know and of course you know we we can agree with that but I don't know webos had some real big handicap stick to adoption part of a lot of the carrier deal hardware in was hardly hardware was utter crap it was yes I liked the the pre to me too so it was a lot better a lot of people said that thing they say like the pre 2 is what the pre should've been like that's a cliché but it's true that end and just an all touch screen phone like why was that so difficult because just like blackberry didn't want to give up their keyboards neither did palm and I ended in a fiery death uh yeah it did and what was it the Windsor knot is that the yeah the winds are not as the device the all touch device that never was like the pretty three without a keyboard but yeah and we've talked at him about that but you know regardless of that you know there was a problem there was problems with the software to the pre to I remember seeing that for the first time at an engadget reader meetup in New York City back before I did this before I was a writer I was just a fanboy and I stood in line for this reader meetup for like two hours in the Sun and got inside and the first table I went to was palm because they had the pre to and it wasn't released yet this was right after they'd missed a cycle so palm was still was not even really in the news and they were like yeah we're just you know we got this pretty too and I'm like oh let me see that and I would remember being amazed at how buttery smooth the interface was because on the pre you remember what the initial versions of webos were not very smooth no but two point oh I forgot what they did they implemented some kind of hardware acceleration and all of a sudden it ran like it was supposed to it didn't run like a janky POS and then came the touchpad which was utter garbage right like in a speed and they repeated the exact same mistake and then they like a week later they released a webos update for the touchpad that made it run great but by that time it had gotten all the crappy press so minute went on a fire so right and then there was that and we had if we had all our fun with a particular i got mine for like 110 I got the the 33 big white / 164 what was it a bigger one I don't know I got mine for 600 bucks on launch day but I got mine then I went back to the best site and and they they credited made the difference because best buy was doing that when they were trying to get rid of inventory which was cool anyway at the point is I just answer the question I really think web boys had some serious hurdles I don't know if it would have been as popular people don't want to learn things when you see a device in the retail store that is running a demo on its screen a looping demo on how to use it and you can't use the device without seeing that demo because you don't you don't see the gesture area like people don't wanna put up with that they're like I just want to go where's the icon where can I tap on the AOL messenger you know where can I have my mail circling back to iOS 7 that's part of a problem with it because sometimes you can swipe left to go backwards kind of like on blackberry 10 but other times you can't so it's not very good at blackberry 10 because it's inconsistent that way yeah there's no visual cue saying hey you can swipe backwards to go back it's just kind of sometimes you can sometimes you can't and sometimes those really bad things like you know what though people are gonna learn to do you know you know what's not gonna happen people aren't gonna buy a whole bunch of iOS 7 loaded iPhones and then return them that's not going to happen people are going to learn it they're going to be forced to because hey it's a iphone it's a progression and it's something I touched on when I said that we need to move away from the photo realism and the school Wharf ism that's why we're moving away because people understand you'll touch screen interface is now you don't need a binding in a calendar app to realize that hey this is a calendar app right yeah sure yeah you don't need animated page-turning you don't need all this cool stuff because you actually understand how it works all that stuff is in there to teach you how it works and after you learn it you don't need it anymore that's what we went from photo realism and skeuomorphism to this flat interface that just kind of looks nice clean and it works and you understand how it works so so it's a progression gestures will become second nature over time and they will end right and thanks to the efforts the pioneering efforts of webos and then the the blatant sorry but the blatant copying of that by by blackberry with the playbook and which is extended into blackberry 10 which I actually enjoy using very much and now with Apple kind of taking the reins as far as new gestures go we're seeing a progression of that that's nice and we're going to talk about you I in the next piece of listener mail so yeah anyway let's let's let's move on thank you for the thank you for the question is an awesome question I think the point is not in one of us knows but we wish that we did know we wish it with webos have been given the chance so we wish this question didn't have to be exactly exactly an awesome question though and thank you yes finally we're wrapping it up with Chris here's a question Taylor will appreciate if he's there will he is here hi guys I'm from Australia here I have a question regarding mobile technology in vehicles well greetings from the United States and thank you for this interesting question I have a Subaru BRZ on the way practically the same car as Taylor Martin's FRS and the one major downside to it yes congratulations indeed the one major downside is the car stereo if companies such as a sous can produce perfectly capable fluid and responsive tablets such as the nexus 7 for only a couple of hundred dollars why does a basic touch screen stereo cost over eighteen hundred dollars as an option in my new car when it is clearly inferior in functionality build quality usability and responsiveness why is it taking practically all auto manufacturers so long to catch up that is a brilliant question that I've wondered myself and before i bought my FRS one of the things that i contemplated doing was mounting an ipad mini which actually doesn't fit in the space that the stereo is replacing my stereo with just an iPad Mini or not replacing we're covering it up totally um and I still may if I get this if I do keep the mega um I may work on fitting something that goes around the existing system and doesn't really obstruct anything so i can quickly pop it in place and take it out where i can just drop my my phone in where this area is because i just you I use my phone for for media in the car mine has bluetooth but yes I totally understand and agree with you I have the same question in mine I don't know if the BRZ comes with the same bespoke stereo but what I have is it's okay it works it does the job but it has a resistive touchscreen a resistive touchscreen you just use it with your fingernails for fun do you ever just bring out a stylist just just yeah I mean I mean it's just like why like that that is so right because it's why I'll tell you why because it's cheaper and they can they can make better margins on it if they only had as cheap as possible to produce and I want to I want to speak to the price question because I have two answers on this it costs over eighteen hundred dollars as an option in a car when an ipad would cost 500 because the ketosis for HAMP red it's one thing right well because the car industry knows that it can get away with it first of all because you're you're already spending top dollar for this giant giant expenditure I mean you're unloading thousands of dollars so proportionately speaking that's not as much like well I'm already spending whatever 50 grand well not just another 1800 sure I want the system second of all and this is speaking as someone whose whose girlfriend works in the car industry and who doesn't drive because I use public transit because I live in a city where I can do that so I have this thing where I don't like the car industry because it is stuck in 1954 at least on the retail side and I hate you I hate that about it and I really I kind of loathe the automotive industry a lot but you can see it in America here where many of the brands are struggling to survive and some of them had to get bailed out because for many reasons but many of them also just refused to adapt they were like blackberry they were like these mobile companies that's it there's like everything's fine what no we're not going to change anything and then their whole world collapsed eggs what he meant in the car in the Carnes yeah they all did at the same time right right so I have very little respect for the the modern car industry I think it was a much more vaunted institution 50 years ago because it while it was doing revolutionary really cool stuff but it's iterative today it's boring it's dull it's backwards it's its loathsome in a lot of different ways so that's why they can overcharge for a stereo system because they can and because they're jerks that's what I think I mean there's there's some different technology going on in there but yes no car stereos have not really advanced all that much in a better part of what two decades or at least a decade hmm so yeah I totally understand that question but you are seeing some advancements where you know like Apple announced you have iOS integration in a car and ink our systems are advancing but very very very slowly yeah I think it's partially because they're not tech companies right so you know they're outsourcing all these different stereos which is you know the built-in stereo in mine is a pioneer and in the FRS not mine but the FRS i think is a pioneer stereo and it looks like it's straight out of a nineteen ninety five four trucks right so I'm what's the analog here it's like when you see a company like maybe there's a bad example but Vizio like a TV a company known for its TVs making this like one-off android tablet it's like what are you doing you know this is going to be cracked yeah but why but the question is why not why auto manufacturers are taking so long to catch up it's why stereo manufacturers are still building stuff like it's 1999 well that's a good very good point yeah um also when I i should actually say something i might one of my good friends my roommate works for another part of the car industry for another brand I actually respect so I don't want I don't want to kind of do mean the entire auto industry that was unfair of me but I do think that there's a lot wrong with it and I think this is this is one of the things now I don't know Taylor maybe include this up I don't know if this eighteen hundred dollar option that chris seitz includes the entire stereo system with like speakers and amps and that stuff or if it's just the touch screen interface it depends like in mind the option to upgrade on the lot is like seven hundred dollars so it's a different price skill in other countries I've learned that the FRS is a lot cheaper here in the States than it is in other places in Malaysia is the equivalent of like 70 or 80,000 US dollars whereas here it's like it starts at 25,000 well it's like phone cost share you get yeah people on the live all the time tell me i forgot the gentleman's name it is like yeah in my country and I phone costs 1,100 bucks like wow yeah well that difference is like a inflation of like to this is like an inflation like four or five I mean at this point yeah diculous but still that's a great point my upgrade option for eight hundred dollars is a little more justifiable but it's also still like why does this cost eight hundred dollars i had the same question and you can get better stereos aftermarket for a lot cheaper your stock options or your i don't know what you want to call it your your sales floor options what are packaged retail what the car are always going to cost more so if you go after market and get a stereo you can get one that's as good if not better for four hundred dollars three hundred dollars but even then that four or three hundred dollars is nowhere near the technology you could get in a tablet so the question is why don't they simply embed tablets in cars at a retail level on like Oh Ian and some houses up in the background some buses are doing that some some airplanes are doing that i forgot taxi cabs that's what it was yeah somebody at CES got tired of the vocal announcements in the back of cabs and like like popped out the tablet or some of them there's some some cheesy knockoff android tablet just running video in a loop that was wired into the cat's stereo so anyway so we know that's possible and Chris you know I I do I think we have to close that but I do want to thank you for writing in and exposing that that interesting bit of discussion we don't often get to on the show and Taylor I'm glad you were here too to help field it because I wouldn't have known what I was talking about I still don't as a matter of fact I'm still complete when it comes to automobiles my last car was a 1990 chrysler lebaron so Wow yes I liked it um i will say that Chris you should totally look into some of the videos on YouTube of people putting tablets as in dash options you should do one of those videos we should how can now should have a video pocket I automotive actually I've actually honestly thought about building my own I'm a pretty crafty person in my spare time my dad's an engineer oh that's cool yeah so so a lot of our free time was spent building throwing things when I grew up I helped my dad build barns and buildings and electronics and all kinds of stuff so how to do it you should should happen I watched my dad build an engraving machine one day so guys the sky is the limit guys guys the think webos the all about webos daily is out from think webos top stories from Captain two phones because i retweeted adam downs review that seems seems kind of unfair that's a sorry that it just don't let twitter feed i don't mean to interrupt but I we do have to one of us has to pee and it's not me all right well there you go spoiler alert Chris thank you for writing in actually everyone thank you for writing am really glad to be getting diving back into listener mail a little more frequently now because these questions are really great please do remember to keep them brief if you can in the future and please continue to forgive me for my brutal mispronunciation of all of your names taylor final thoughts before we junk out um this podcast was brought to you from the front seat of my scion fr-s is that true no no no there's way too much echo I was like no you know that's a big room you're in I can hear it yeah it's a big room um there was something i was gonna add now i can't remember so good good i'm gonna have a great weekend not a cleveland voice by the way that was not know is it different with less and you are not going to be on the live tomorrow apparently so i won't see you there but oh well no we'll be seeing you on the internet and we're gonna tell you where but for now that's gonna do it for this episode of the weekly hey find us on twitter brandon who was here before is that Brendan minimun Taylor is at casper tech cas ber Tek all lowercase all lower case which does really matter but you can put it in however you want and as always you can find me at captain two phones capitalize it however you like you can also follow pocket now officially at pocket now on Twitter s pocket now on facebook and google+ you can leave us a review on iTunes or Xbox music which helps us get discovered and helps us bring you more podcasts and if you have a topic question or a suggestion for the podcast or you just want to say hello or tell me I'm all wrong about the automotive industry email us at podcast at pocketnow.com thanks for listening we'll see you next week see you later that was such a week it's such a weakness by feeding at the same time see you later oh god Cecilia dude I sure will delete it so I've got about four hours of editing to do to take out all that we're seeing a progression of that that's nice and we're going to talk about you I in the next piece of listener mail here but i want to thank dammit i keep cursing by accident also we are completely off topic i don't even know if we answer the question you
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