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launch of the Black Shark - which is a beast of a phone and we do talk about it at the beginning of this episode by the way there's a bit of fuzz and the audio to start off part of the reason why and I'm pretty sure this is the reason why it's because I had the Black Shark - hovering over the recorder that I use for the podcast which means that there were some radio interference there's a lot of stuff going on in that phone so you're going to see why not only in a video here on pocket knob which is already available but also in our first reactions where I have both Jaime Rivera and our guest David Cogan also known as the unlocker react to this crazy gaming phone but on the topic of gaming we also talked about the brand new announcement of Google stadia and how this game streaming service might really change gaming for the better but also a little bit confused as to who exactly this service might be for and how much it might actually be because there's no pricing on it yet all of this was recorded in San Diego California where Jaime and David Cogan were for a Qualcomm of where they announced a brand new audio processing chip and also did some announcements around Wi-Fi six and other announcements that would they discuss in this podcast so yeah I wanted to make sure that we were all in the same room together it was kind of an opportunity for us to hang out we don't get to see each other too often and I figured this will be a great time for us to get together for this episode of the podcast so let's go ahead and get into the episode if you're watching the YouTube edition of this you can get into the comment sections down below let us know what you think about all of the announcements that we sort of touch upon including that of the black shark - and Google stadia and then of course you can wait until our outro so you know where to find all of us and also where you can reach us on social media so let's go ahead and get into the episode that would be so the company is black shark but they are funded in part by Xiaomi so it's actually incorrect they were they were they were making it very clear to me during that whole trip that like we get why people want to say Xiaomi black shark but it's not so please make the deal I sing in Oppo one plus 6 or Huawei honor write something ok got it so they really wanted to make that absolutely clear want to make it its own brand exactly and they're really they're working really hard to become a gaming brand because in the box or a bunch of stickers and like they really want it to be like like quantum core gaming lifestyle away like Razer yeah and I think they're doing a pretty good job so far cuz this this is this is such a fun phone to use already is it real I mean it looks cool yeah let me show you okay so quick reactions to the black shrug is how we're starting off I've not seen it so yet you're in you're in what is basically stock Android wait a second so we already started yeah so we're okay so we're in what is basically stock Android oh yes even the longer yeah it's pixel launcher which is awesome already weird different I don't know if the Chinese version is going to have me UI but there's this looks like the alert slider okay oh the one bliss of one-plus yeah so when you toggle that what it does is it dark space shark space sharknado space it dumps every app in the background so that memory is only used for games got it so this pulls you into like a yeah the game - game launcher so how a game launcher done right yes he'll every other app because let's get ready to part and we were talking to West landscape yes Forest landscape boy it'll go to like it'll do portraits exactly let's do Super Mario run cuz we were talking really test this thing well thing is we were talking about this last week that gaming has like the problem with gaming right now on mobile is that the software needs to catch up with the hardware because the heart because the thing is the hardware we have vapor cooling we have super high specs and all that the games don't use any of it exactly right so you need it so what you what you get what the Black Shark is hardware that's actually trying to like go all-in with that so you have this shark space that that kills all of the apps in the background he'll open this later if you swipe down from the top you get all of these options right here including an overclock so you can you can actually turn everything above razor did that with their cortex after an Asus doesn't Sue's does it as well true it's a little bit easier it's actually like cater though but there are other there are other options available like gaming HDR like button on this one yeah like it's an easier way to just launched launch it do you also remember just how how not really upset but annoyed that the controller was not available at launch oh my god but then again the problem was not the annoyance of the controller with Razer the late launch but the fact that once a did launch it didn't really work well well not the controller it's not a controller problem it's an Android problem it is so what have you got there mister Nintendo switch alright so the case for black shark has two ridges on the sides where you actually slot in the two portions of the controller and it becomes kind of like an Android switches between so this is what like that this is the full configuration there is a cooling case that's like that much thicker but this is what the point of software and hardware I don't need a cooling case that's what I'm saying like that's if you turn on the ludicrous mode and you go like absolutely nuts on the game and but the thing is it's not necessary yeah now with games right now but I think that's I think that's the point is that they're encouraging app developers to take advantage of the hardware right so it's just like encouraging everybody yeah now here's the thing this is going this is gonna be where a chicken before the egg yes this is where I musical thing comes in what's that this controller does not register the way that a Xbox controller or a typical Android controller registers these are all replacements all these buttons and this touchpad right here and on all replacements for on-screen controls you have to map every little thing got it so if the game has but you only do it once yes okay I'm willing to put up with that yeah do wait once per game no just once because most games are all gonna be in the same well once per game because for example pub she has so many buttons on its interface right and then you've got a drag that's good but I like that I saw that first in the issues yeah ROG phone mhm that had but only to the triggers the air triggers could do that yeah I don't think the triggers concept though same concept though the same concept more buttons but the thing is it's a little bit frustrating to be honest because if your game doesn't already have a full HUD oh I could just swipe to get them two buttons exactly you're screwed because literally you not set one of these to swipe no well okay one thing you can do is if you hold the right button mmm it it renders a mouse on screen and then you use this touchpad in order to click on things which is okay it's a compromise I feel like that feels right but but like can you maybe set one of these is a hotkey to do a swipe down action or a swipe I'm obviously this is wishful thinking I think there might be one but it's more on the touchscreen there's something called master touch where you actually program macros to a hard press on the screen okay that's that's Wow but that's the into it it's like they really they really work hard on that yeah they put a lot of thought into this and you know what like certain games it's just not going to work like for example portrait games of course you're not gonna use the controller but that's the thing they put a lot of work into this to make sure the controller makes sense in certain games and then if you're going to use touch controls anyway because some games require that then they made sure the latency is low you have master touch and all that there was a guy I'm a must have seen on my video but there was a guy who came up on stage and played like a guitar hero s game where it was like on insane mode so everything was coming down at like a millisecond and he was just the whole time perfect score to show off that the touch latency is the in the market a good wave it was amazing and he came up and every I had a front-row seat for no reason at all and I just turned around and all of the European media were staring at me like [Laughter] it was it was kind of an insane event I have to say it was pretty it was in the Great Wall well not in it but we had a great wall thing in the morning before the event and that was so cool well I did I'm kind of sad I didn't go it would have been great to have you there thank you for letting me go I do have to show you one thing we're quick tile before I again to a check in with you guys so I'll pull up the video later I don't want to take up too much time with it but so we climb the Great Wall in order to get to the section where you start to climb the Great Wall we took a ski lift right hmm and then in order to come down you could take the ski lift down if you want there's no walking down but you can also do something that I think is it it really doesn't fit with the historical implications of the great wall you could skateboard it was a toboggan yeah but just to provide a little context the problem is that the I don't know what size Chinese people had when the Great Wall was built because each step is the size of one of my legs it is so it's not that they're they're just making it easy for regular humans yeah to walk up and down cuz I don't think like I was in top shape when I was in the great wall and I was dead by like by like I think that the bus driver hated us so much on that trip that he's like I'm gonna drop them off and the most complicated place to climb and he achieved well here's here's kind of what it looks like this toboggan the weirdest thing I ever that is fantastic because you're still getting the visuals of the Great Wall yeah and you don't have to put up drop in the video why's your hand in between is there like a break there's a break and as you're coming down they start screaming are you like test the brake first test the brake okay okay and they wouldn't let me I snuck those clips in because they didn't want you to record or take pictures of the baby I guess for a safety thing because if you're distracted you're not breaking Casey Neistat teacher good thing you have a picture of Michelle Obama doing it there are like yeah and they're like by the way just if you're worried about safety Michelle Obama did it we're like what is that yeah they put the posters how she got those arms exact is testing out that brake on the great toboggan Dez it was kind of weird because you know putting putting aside you know like all the slavery and death that happened so we were all feeling once you got up damn it I should have gone yep damn it what can I have you on for the next one that I read and we're with them so black shark I actually I actually want that phone I've this is the first time I see it first time I hold it I told I tell you man I want to play games with my phone I don't want to be carrying around my switch there are certain games throw on Android the problem is I need a controller I just I need a control I played my switch all the way to China playing undertale by the way no spoilers and then on the way back I was on that I definitely liked it definitely did help a lot okay I will say though okay you have to put in the work to map everything but once you do games like pub cheers but it's just once I don't know cheat at once yeah I don't mind doing that once it's like for me anyways I would still remap a ton of things on my keyboard whenever oh my god my G pro my Logitech G pro keyboard just arrived yes along with the G pro man with Joyce and that charging trackpad yeah man that's a good choice oh yeah you pro you're not a mechanical keyboard guy are you convenience excuse me I'm not carrying that thing around oh you saw mine oh no you didn't see my dad did you no okay yeah alright MWC and he just looks at me and goes that's a loud the other way about anybody with the new MacBooks though like all of them so no but the previous generation the 2017 the new one is quieter it's much quieter actually and it's actually very pleasant to type on I like it alright so the black shark and China of course we're what I've been up to the last few days cool you two have been spending a lot of time together recently so I drove all the way down here not to get into the details of my horrific four-hour drive down from LA but we're here in San Diego and I came down to see these guys so we could have a we could have a fun little podcast all person-to-person like this yeah so what has been going on in San Diego for you two for a Qualcomm event they were showing off their new smart speaker chipset it's like the first time they've actually made a chipset specifically for speakers yeah normally they just like retrofit one of their other series and throw it in there so the fact that they did that it's like they were telling us all about it how it's gonna lower costs and like they have really high fly audio that now will be able to come to lower price points and all this other stuff the other thing that like I wish is like that we could obviously see units but this is of course Qualcomm telling us about the technology before it's actually available did they did they have a reference unit that looked really cool like a mason jar what yeah there was a reference device that looked like a mason jar it was supposed to be like a Google home yeah but it's see-through and so this is the QCs 400 series it's actually not just one chip it's four chips yeah it's pretty much one chip with different components that will either make it adequate for your echo dot or your standard Google home or a screen version or the high end you know sound bars so no now yeah but in the case of the sound bar dude like they literally created this amplifier to go with the chip that's literally a quarter of the size of a standard smartphone and so it's hilarious how there were like you know audio files invited from you know press audio files invited oh and they were all just geeking out over lie where is the where's the heat sink where's this where's that there like I don't know heat sink you don't need any of them they're like you know that can't be what Oh and so imagine your typical soundbar now not needing to be a soundbar it's literally be something the size of this okay okay that's one thing and then the second thing is because you know obviously they they've got experience with Snapdragon and everything the whole idea is if you want a portable echo dot you can now have a portable echo dot they showed different ways in which this chip will only listen to key words and actually only act require power drain through key words huh in a specific way that's a show doff how it works and so my name is my password was that was that the thing that they used to say my voice is my password and so and so like it's funny there were a lot of questions over like why like you know the find the reducing the size of a sound bar and providing high quality audio is great I mean there's there have been Qualcomm chips on Sonos and other sound bars and like forever but it was the cult concept of what's the purpose of this chip and so they were very clear into this is the whole idea is to create a whole different array of products that don't exist today like portable Google home minis and Amazon echoes and that okay okay which I like so obviously you were saying that audio files were there and they were geeking out of course I think it's obvious that this is the kind of question that people like us would have is this a chip that you could put into like a smart phone like imagine like boombox you don't know show they literally what they did was pull out the DSP from the snapdragon 855 or if not that one they put two in there yeah it's just it's its own custom thing meant for speakers no that's for speaking as opposed to them taking a Snapdragon and putting it into a speaker they were like well there's only certain things we really need in a speaker and we need more of these things and less of these things let's all put that together and make a different sure it's not you'd never see this you know it just sounds like a lot of business it just sounds like certain parts of these would actually enhance a smartphone experience though like the amplifier will open the empire's too big exactly good point amplifier but it's too big for okay but that's that's one thing then the other thing is you know in addition to the power saving you also have the advantage that you can so right now if you talk to an echo dot that you have like if you have a smart room bar one of these things you can only you can talk to the echo have the echo call the cloud connect to the Roomba and have it move now what they're doing is also allowing developers to create their own keywords that work directly on the product and don't require you to go through the echo and so you will you can still use an Amazon echo to call on the on the Roomba but you will also have the option to be like Roomba start cleaning without the need of of the echo being involved and so they're also it also allows you know third-party products to not to be smarter to a certain degree but to also have the capabilities of continuing to be connected to the Internet ok or nicely not connected not needing to be for example if you take that smart speaker away from the house you can actually still give it commands and I still be able to do basic functionality because it doesn't need to go to the cloud for just the hot word yeah you know and then they have multiple support for a bunch of different Howard's as well so you can have Alexa Google home the brand like all of those can all be embedded on the chip and yeah all the time KitchenAid that was one thing that we saw the second thing is the one that gave mr. Cogan the creeps oh no it's so in the Wi-Fi presence oh it's so creepy and yet so great okay I think that the one I like the so I do like you know the QC s400 everything it's just I had no idea what Wi-Fi six is capable of yeah and we were given a full demo things that are gonna be like whoa yeah so so to talk about the creepy thing because we just need because it's really but like it's not just Wi-Fi six this is not something that necessarily Wi-Fi six enables but but in the same breath while they were talking about why face six and telling us all these things they were explaining a thing called spectral something sense its spectral sensing okay so instead of having to use like for security purposes and having to use a camera right but 19:19 secure they were preaching all the cool things about it and I was like that is all cool but it's also terrifying so the cool things about it that they were telling us was like look we can actually use the Wi-Fi spectrum to to determine when things are open closed whether there's a person in the room etc so forget a camera or forget a sensor on your door we can use your existing Wi-Fi network and know that the door is open because of the way the spectrum hits it right so okay yeah cool creepy part is that they were also explaining that each individual person has their own RF interference yes so if if you walk in the room Josh yeah I can tell first off that you're in the room because you're interfering with the Wi-Fi signal but then it can it can you can name that Josh exactly it will always know when you come in the room versus when Jaime comes in the room versus when I do Howie not been using this but have you you know a strain there they were saying like some companies already made building this it's yeah it's not like a new thing they're making it just hasn't come to market oh okay they were naming like a production companies have our mobile because the sugilite you'll find you'll find companies that because this is a level of security it's also terrifying because if you like it I'm a I'm a futurist and a progressive when it comes to things like I don't really care that certain people are watching me like I don't care but like Wi-Fi is everywhere already right like you're explaining they don't need to do much to remember the scene in like Dark Knight yes the scene in The Dark Knight and who was the character that it was like I can't work for you and Lucius Fox was like I'm not dealing with you ever again using cell phones and the signal they emit and having a like sonar bouncing off that is literally it the probably that get smartest way to explain I get I get why you're creeped out live I think that's fantastic well I honestly think it's super cool and I love it and I'm gonna use it but a part of me has to like I just I think question of like like we're worried about like facial recognition in like China for example and how it's like they're there I'll have a story is there right like they were you know all of those things and you're like oh well like cameras are gonna be everywhere and we're all gonna be watched okay we don't even need the cameras to track you across the world right now is already in place yeah basically it's what they just told me that's where my well I don't think the reason why I'm totally into that right now is because my family my parents and I we've been having a horrible time trying to like cancel our home security system and to know that I don't have to like necessarily pay for a whole new like camera system just we got Wi-Fi and there are other cool things that Wi-Fi will be able to do like for example so one of the things that Wi-Fi six will enable or probably not probably not Wi-Fi so once your TV is Wi-Fi six capable yeah and you're smart speaker is Wi-Fi six capable you won't need mesh routers anymore your television can become a mesh router your other speaker in the room you're they were they will be capable of not just receiving but transmitting what's to shoot up the price though no really it's literally the same capability of the chip man the Wi-Fi will be smart enough to pretty much tell everybody in Latin America F you because now you won't be able to steal Wi-Fi will be unlike men you're gonna really ruin my time in my apartment I can't steal Wi-Fi yeah we're gonna no no even a worse time on the podcast my neighbor's no it's the other way around I won't be able to tell my neighbor hate my password is this because you can literally geofence what your apartment is and it will based on all the products and it was bill signal yeah outside of that fat like that yeah I let us cool and it's anybody the thing is that it's uneven geofencing you don't even have to tell it it just like it Wi-Fi six one of the things you can do is it like it just learns from what's around so like if it knows like if you have it against this wall right you're technically giving a lot of Wi-Fi signal to your next-door neighbor exactly but none of the devices have the password so none of them are connecting over there so the beamforming stuff that it does with my mo instead of pointing that direction just points this way yeah it just lessens the signal that way that way and then you get more signal this way yeah that's better I do like that a lot yeah yeah that's pretty awesome Oh quick story before we go into our first break so when you enter you've been to China obviously right but you wait you want recently right I did okay first time but I went I went to Shenzhen which felt very which is fine in the in the airport on the way in I mean you know the uses there in mind you're in Beijing the Beijing is a different story it is but I think in Shenzhen they do this too where are you going you go into immigration control and you have to give your fingerprints oh and then the face yeah but like okay I don't remember the last time I was in Beijing but I went over to those machines remembering that it was there and I was like I mean you know certainly makes you feel a little bit weird but okay so I went like that and I saw other people there like putting their fingers down and then it comes out with like a a picture of their fingers and it goes okay thank you for that blah blah blah when I went like this put my fingers down a little card came out that just said okay which meant they have my info ready they didn't need it updated like they had it but again none of this matters this new Wi-Fi things gonna be just walk in the room and they were like Josh [Laughter] oh my god okay no no no but I thought that it was I I think that regardless of the amount of you know the announcements I really like being here just to be explained what these things no I think that's more of the value here like the hard part for us to think about call come events and I'm a high level dude and then whenever they talk to the low level stuff like what is happening I feel so out class I'm like oh okay okay you add will I miss Shareef there was a guy that works with them he's the best thing so and they've got new guys that doing just the good just as good of a job but he was so good at like explaining it to you in like two minutes put on the two-hour position put your bib on it is important I like I like coming these because they do like there's not necessarily it's hard for us to develop a story like there's not a video I could do necessarily while I was here because there's not there's not really like some like a product there's nothing there we're learning right well you know what huh me because then when the products come out I don't know what's the song you know what just a knowledge and I understand would Qualcomm's position is behind it yeah Qualcomm's favor I totally agree with you but you could have totally done a video just like whoa technically this is it but the let's focus also on the fact that you know there are ethics out there like for example now laptops are coming out with a cover for the camera yeah now we've got smart speakers yeah now smart speakers come with a cover for the camera just don't bring a camera at all so I I do feel that they're the concerning the concern exists of course the capability also has existed so yeah how long have we been carrying cameras on our laptops yeah think about it since it's been more than fifty nine years what do you put to your point you don't need a camera well you can just Wi-Fi I feel I feel that we need more we need to see we already know what it can do the question is how it gets implemented absolutely all right I don't even know if there's like a mid ad for this one but we're gonna go into a quick break if you're overwhelmed by the sheer amount of remote controls you have cluttering your entertainment space then you should check out the control center by kaavo the control center simplifies your home theater so you can control everything that's connected to your TV with one remote that includes voice control plug in any media system into the control 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make sure he knew what he was talking so okay how how much would you to say you are gamers retro retro okay retro yeah if casual I love my switch I like that I can play it on a plane and like this is the reason why I think well this is the reason why I think that actually Google is its Tatia stadia stadia stadium I tried I remember trying to look up Wesley idea and I'm like oh so like a stadium and if you look at their advertisement it focuses on showing how people would play ever since the you know the gladiator times and stuff like that and yeah it's interesting afterwards date that was that argument weird way of them advertising okay that's the reason why I think like especially for like you a casual gamer who would not put down the money for like a razor 17 in order to have the best specs to play games you know what I mean that's why because this is cloud-based gaming obviously so you can use any device Android and any device with chrome you can use my switch no no no no wait a second so currently I think Hulu works on the switch like switches allowing certain apps to work on it like in the end what they want us tree to be part of the platform yeah they don't like they don't care that is an idealistic world oh yes I mean but you're right even regardless I have an Android phone I have an iPhone I have a computer I don't go so I could use anything so here's so we don't know exactly what the pricing is going to be when it comes to stadia or anything like that but I'm I want to just put it out there I know it's got to be a streaming service it's got to be like subscriptions away the Netflix of games there so which brings me to my second question how many things are you guys subscribe to I just got built for runner's world I mean I didn't remember that I subscribe to the magazine like once a year for 20 bucks nice like what New York Times runner's world youtube TV which is 35 bucks a month Netflix which is 11 something plus Spotify family which is another 15 bucks personally I'm watching anime I have Google Music as well that's another 10 bucks so literally I have what do you have Google music ends because I for some reason they act when so when YouTube premium came around I was like alright I need to report on it's all I'll accept the trial and I have I always forget to cancel it I spent three years forgetting to cancel Hulu three years and I think how many companies make money like that yeah you try to cancel in they cage they come to your house how many subscriptions do you have I use a lot for work as well like I have systems that help me like the plugins from website a lot of those like personal things a lot I mean a decent amount yeah so what's to stop you from from adding this one I like the concept yeah personally I don't know how well it's gonna work that's the big question the price is also a big question but like I can't imagine it's gonna be that expensive I was about to say I'm not really concerned about the price I just mean that my closer it matters I'm not really concerned about the price I don't think it's I don't think Google can be they only have one game right is doom so which which right there the moment that I saw doom I was like oh that's like one of the main reasons the big selling point for me to buy the switch wasn't all the games but was the fact that doom was gonna port it to it and doom was my PC my favorite PC game of all time right and so I was like alright if I could get doom on this thing so for me I'm already sold right but so this brings up your point which is the thing that drives most people to any of these consoles or these systems or these streaming services the content so like if you don't have the content nobody's gonna come but the thing is as long as Google is able to to make the deals no matter what game it is they could probably get it like as long as as long as it's available for let's say PC maybe PC is the only the only heart that's where it would start yeah that's the only hurdle here because you are you never giving him anything yeah and I'll never give them anything Sony when I give them any reason so it's PC and Xbox correct in that case because that's an you have Microsoft coming out with their own service but here's the thing I mean Sony has had it for how long yeah well the problem is can these companies make the mistake of playing a Microsoft or playing you know the companies that became a playing an apple with Apple music if you think about it this is not new like streaming gaming has existed for a while many companies have tried and they failed the thing about it is Google actually has the money yeah they actually like of Amazon said that they wanted to do something like this I would trust that it would work because they have servers they have the capability in South Asia I mean it's hilarious it's hilarious how much if you try to watch a video or any sort of video service separately and try to compare that to YouTube yeah it's like you YouTube has so much R&D into how to make the video play immediately that you don't find in other services and so if Google has been able to achieve that with a video which is extremely complicated I don't doubt that they will have the capability I just with the game because well the game is the same thing they're streaming a video it's got nothing to do with gaming the game is gonna run on the server they're just streaming and output to you yeah is essentially Oller even the controller is not connected to your device yeah it's connected directly yeah so it's literally like the Google Docs of games that is real that is really really clever I will it because you're interacting directly so it's Netflix yes but you don't interact with the movie once it starts whereas in Google Docs you're in real-time interacting while the spreadsheets in a server and that's the other side there's so exactly there's so many bits going in and out in terms of gaming because even 4k 60 frames per second video on Netflix or YouTube yes different well yeah like when there's a lot of crap happening on screen there are artifacts yeah and like you said well it doesn't reach oak I don't I don't think there's stutters but no the bitrate goes yeah but it doesn't really immediately know but in and here's the thing I mean if I long and this is the reason why I feel that that the idea is not so crazy try to launch doom on your switch how long does it take for the game to load try to launch Super Mario honestly it's at least three minutes for it to go through the whole process so we're worried about latency where you're gonna have a supercomputer on the other end and it all depends on your internet connection so if you're telling me that the game is gonna launch on that supercomputer in 30 seconds when compared to three minutes I'll take it hmm okay well but it's not that it's because we know it's gonna be to launch fine and it'll show up in the screen work it's the it's the crosstalk back and forth over the World Wide Web true love of me pushing button a and expecting a reaction immediately no and then if you start if you have a certain amount of milliseconds even it's gonna be noticeable try to be like this true I don't I mean right now when we were like I told my son you know I'm getting these these things for gaming but you know the G pro and and everything he was like oh you're gonna want this Mouse cuz it's got it's got no lates like that right like that I'm like all right dude fine and that's the thing like the way that I felt when I tried PlayStation now mmm is that this is just not going to be for hardcore gamers of certain genres right you're not gonna do pop G here cuz you need immediate reaction you're not doing first you need fast all its muscles like in the Internet sense yeah and you also won't be able to do fighting games you wanna you also won't be doing you won't not be competitive it is all be anything competitive it'll be more casual stuff even play strategy games even even doom is kind of pushing it in terms of like cuz you need fast which yeah that's the thing but that is the title that they're leading I know they have a lot of you've got the B's to use doom as your launch blast what I'm like oh okay well there show me so I want I want to channel a little bit of because I when I kid when I was driving down to San Diego my first one of the first people was these two and then one other person that I'm message to see who was here and abang eath underneath from what I work who as we were saying earlier is already incredibly opinionated about everything but he's here Aaron says no to everything everybody else is he's probably loved this is this is popular no stupid but he's also he is back he is a self-proclaimed gamer though so I wanted to hear what those contrarian opinions are in the context of a gamer and he actually was like he's he's looking forward to it but at the same time he also like you said hates it he hates it because these would never work the way that I feel is that good the way that I feel as that GUI is over promising so that when they under-deliver yeah it's still okay they're shooting for the stuff they're shooting for the Sun but reaching the stars because 4k 60 on the kinds of internet the internet connection in this very Airbnb you probably can't even match that not even close I just I guess I'm wondering what if they here's the thing what if they do pull it off because think about it how much like my Falcon Northwest aqui oh my is a five thousand dollar gaming rig I haven't heard that brand name in a long time dude like my my gaming rig is BS like it's it's crazy it's gorgeous and it's expensive what is if they do pull it off what's gonna happen to the hardware market cuz this pretty much promises that you can play whatever game you want on an iPad on your current laptop you won't need new hardware to play the best titles like if you if you factor in how much money you need to spend even to build your own really powerful gaming computer yep and this thing let's assume it's priced at twenty bucks a month how much time I mean fine it's like how many years would you need and by the time those years pass you and I already need to upgrade your your graphics card or this or that you don't have to worry about the hardware anymore but this is the way the world is going in general exactly like is not even just gaming in general everything is going to eventually become a dumb terminal and everything will be done in the cloud 5 G's gonna enable that as well so are ya like so this is so so that's the reason why I'm like what's gonna happen to the companies that pull an apple you're gonna have to figure that crap again so the question is what happens if they pull it off so do you think our so our consoles in trouble speaking as a PlayStation guy that's that that's terrifying to me it would depend on they're all coming out with their own services as well for this like they're not dumb they see that that's the future they're all doing it it's a question of who can get to it fastest and we do with the bat and who's got the infrastructure like right now I don't think Sony or Microsoft have it well Microsoft because they know they have a sure and they have like but right now that three companies that have that capability are literally Google Microsoft and Amazon right these are the three companies that are capable of pulling this off yeah pardon and for people to actually take the Xbox serious now yeah fair so what where do you land on sort of the there was that whole part the integration with YouTube Mike did I feel like this is why I keep coming back to you like this is I don't I still don't think this is for hardcore gamers I don't this is for casual gamers because they literally have built into it Google assistant to so be to read yeah to read where you are in the game come on but it's probably what a Google did anyway listen it's a good way to convert people yeah it is it's a good way to add value to their service yeah that Xbox that Microsoft doesn't have and if you think about it like even needs to save all these doings doesn't have a market when compared to twitch who owns twitch Amazon right and so I think that it's a genius move like they're they're they're giving you an ecosystem around gaming yeah whereas in twitch all you do a stream like yeah it doesn't connect your what connects and sure but it's not one thing that talks to the other directly and like if you own all these things it's an even better way to make youtube more important to make the Google assistant more important yeah again I'm bear in mind what I'm saying I am saying that if they do pull this off holy okay like if they pull it off if they can actually it's you're not gonna be 4k 60 it's not not unless you're already a hardcore game at Lee's pub gee like right hours a day no yeah no no I get it but think about what YouTube was five years ago you know think about what Spotify we were having this conversation in the car how long did it take Spotify to literally take over everything true how long did it take all these seriously you know what you know what one of the main moves spot if I did and YouTube did to be that free yeah they do free option yeah free so I never think about it what's the biggest problem with the switch you can't do trials yeah you either pay or you don't you can return you can return in the case of if you bought the the hardware but if you if you did downloading you can't and so if they come up with a freemium server okay and this is my other concern my biggest problem is when you get titles like like doom and all these hardcore gaming titles that's all great the problem is when you get the game lofts and you know the other services that'll literally pour in app purchases on you like crazy for you to play asphalt right that is like oh if Google can control that part which Nintendo has started controlling right now if they can control that part I think it's gonna work I think they're just gonna want to cut of it and they're gonna allow it okay so final question on here since we're keeping this fairly snappy could Apple do something like this of course like do you really think that they would have the licenses for actual like big triple a title publishers not just that how many of these gaming companies or just Apple always been behind in the gaming room yeah they always have nobody makes for Mac yeah exactly no but they've they also have the infrastructure if you think about it yeah and this could be a way for them to make games work on that [Laughter] oh no wait a minute what do you want it what do you mean this could be a way can you use Chrome on your Mac this pretty much will turn every Mac into a game maybe at that point it helps them to but I don't know I don't think they care they don't they never really cared about the gaming I don't think it's a priority thing to think about it is Apple has literally they're launching they have been sitting on the laurels yes but Apple has been sitting on the laurels of the iPhone for the longest time and now they've realized that can't be 60% of their income they need to diversify into different things which is the reason we've got that streaming service which is hilarious I report on the daily today it's like oh yeah so right now a Netflix CEO just came on record to say that he won't be the Netflix won't be on the Apple streaming service that nobody has announced yet right nice nice yeah I mean I don't know they could do it I think but like I don't think they will right I don't think the thing about it is in the case of Google services it doesn't fit their their ethos the reason why I think that Google can do it is because if you think about it when Google Maps launched it took companies like even the Hollis $300 Chromebook running stadia Wow and so think about this Google is one of those companies that can launch something like Google Maps and have cars drive around and do Street View and not make any money out of it only because they want you to feel that YouTube as a tool up to the point where the term became a verb how did they beat Yahoo and all these other search engines at their time they literally did it by dominating everything even at a loss there's another company that's like that that's called Amazon Amazon whole thing exactly for Google it's not about the short term you know games or whatever they literally just want to dominate okay they have so much cash so we need somebody in that rooms like what do we spend on data server out in the so my my impression will be if they can pull it off oh wow this is gonna be really cool this is gonna be really cool I try to think about all of us parents that will need to bar any more gaming consoles going forward you're gonna spend 60 I'm saying 60 bucks a month yeah it might cost one alright there's gonna be cost of a game okay I guess yeah I think that or maybe a little less okay 95 which is the same as Spotify Spotify as literally dollars no no no show up Spotify launched that cost the same as a CD yes one CD a month right one city a month yeah and I think even like Gamefly back in the day like all those kinds of services that were like online online that's what I'm thinking of more than game flight but same concept yeah they all do the same thing no okay this is why I came down see this is so much better thank you for doing this fine all right exactly apparently California's can't drive in the rain anyway before I get into that apparently it's okay in any case that'll about do it on that note thank you so much for listening to the weekly I'm gonna do the outro afterwards so I'll just let these two talk about where they can where we can find you all over the internet let's start with David Goggin II at the end Walker the unlock the letter R there's an e missing it was cool 10 years ago and I can't change it now so I'm sorry but that I basically every social media and 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