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okay I know that there are a lot of people asking or wondering what an Android guy I mean I'm the I am the proclaimed Android guy has to say about this phone I bought it with my own money I'm learning how to use iPhones again and I know I'm not a seasoned iPhone veteran or anything like that but I just have one can I can't just ask you guys one question before we get into the today's show before we get into the reviews of the new iPhones and all that stuff is it is it okay for me to say that because this phone is so easy to use because iOS iOS 12 in this case is so easy to use that that is what makes it kind of boring can I say that good I would agree with that because the ways that yeah cool is just exactly like it's easy to use this phone I know exactly where to go but the thing is the way that I move around this phone is also the way literally every other iPhone person gets around their phone there's not a whole lot of personalization to it there's no personalization no customization it's that's it using an iPhone it's like trying to play a piano with gloves on you can't do what you want to do or set things up that you want yeah a little bit and you know I'm not gonna thing let me just say that is not a knock on the merits of the phone itself it's just a commentary on my own experience with it because let me tell you this I might find it a little bit boring compared to my Android phones that I use on the daily but hey you know what I'm enjoying using this phone I'm fine with it it's a it's a perfectly good daily phone that I have very few complaints about it's just not as exciting to me as many other Android phones well it's gonna be boring and a little bit worse than previous iPhones if we have anything to say about that so okay yeah well we do have a lot to talk about in regards to the iPhones but there are a ton of stories in general I'm going to go a little bit backwards when it comes to the the intro today but first of all hello everybody and welcome to episode 3 to 5 of the weekly brought to you by Pacquiao and xda-developers on this day Friday the 28th of September 2018 from Facebook to Twitter telegram to hinge on hinges on here and all of the ABS on your phone that you probably shouldn't be on anyways let's get talking about all of this stuff I am your facebook Messenger Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and in the boot today we have Jules Wong who I wanted to introduce a first because many of the stories were talking about today he's gonna have to help me out on because he happened to write many of them I'm juicer of the show and like I don't think we would have been able to get through a one plus sixty rumor without digressing two minutes in and talking about like the HTC g1 because of course it's it's an eraser II this week yeah I kind of missed my I miss my boat in terms of posting that on social media but well gets that in a second brands and minimun a simple question here in the script today are you a Google - or Google+ today oh my head I'm so glad that I'm a Google in the middle zero Google Mall Google know exactly and then insta I made a Vera Graham I would say insta stories because the man does some stuff every single day obviously I'm talking about the pocket now daily how's it going hi me I'm doing great man I'm actually here like Brandon's and the other office I'm actually gonna have to close the door because of the feedback if I kind of be able to hear both of us within the microphone do it live let's see it now because I'm all set up because I'm importing footage for another video that we're working on that actually has a lot to do with what the way you started the the podcast Josh mmm it was gonna go live tonight after the daily and so stay tuned because it has a lot to do you're not the only person that feels that way actually okay fair enough I know that's probably a lot of people in the live chat I should pull it up in a second but I know a lot of people in the live chat probably commenting right now they're all like come on yeah actually being too hard on you what the hell man but I totally get it there are there are reasons why this is such a hotly contested phone everyone has opinions on it but another phone that everyone has opinions on is its competition and the number one phone in competition is of course the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 and according to Consumer Reports it is at the top of the smartphone rating which is a pretty incredible thing to say I have mine over here I've actually taken this pan off I have mine with the Rhino shield bumper which is my favorite way of having a note because it's like this is such a massive phone you actually don't want anything in the back and you can't enjoy the color and so the bumper just like protects it really well everybody remember the iPhone 4 how cool those bumpers were we had a glass I think this is the best way to case a glass phone where you can remember enjoy remember Apple sent everyone a free bumper on the iPhone 4 because of antenna gate of antenna gate which they're actually dealing with I feel that that's a topic we should discuss actually eventually eventually well the note 9 as I have mine here right now my two dailies are the 10s Max and the note 9 the no 9 it's it's not easy my pockets are constantly drooping does it mess with your la style pants or well this is the thing you know what you know what is la style nowadays is fanny packs but it's across the chest like this no use men are allowed to have bags now let me just say that okay I mean I've always been an advocate for the murse but I mean you could go with the car goes the car goes for that did that that is something I haven't had in a long long time I know that like it's like a it's like a uniform in xda-developers for everybody to bring cargo pants I need to start doing the same yeah well in regards to the note 9 many of the reasons why this phone is at the top of the ratings have to do with Lovett's internals obviously it has the battery life that according to this story can last 29 hours so I can go a full day without charging durability has apparently survived 100 drops from Heights of about 2.5 feet which is like I guess pocket area Oh many thumbs no who knows that wasn't one that was one phone clearly it has a better camera than previous generations and some may argue it might even be better than its competition in a lot of ways zoomed photos portrait modes and whatnot and of course the final line in this the only downside of this smartphone is its price as now all important phones seem to be reaching $1000 price tags yes I'm basically a walking criminal like like criminals dragnet now yeah Magnum because I'm carrying these two phones but yes in my pockets are basically $2,500 worth of kit you could rob Joshua at this address tell me so I haven't gotten my a my nest cam yet I got it tell me something nice because I actually covered this topic on the daily do you actually I don't know I first of all Consumer Reports is another publication they've got a great name I mean I feel that they found a great name a couple of decades ago and it sounds like if they were a government agency but they're another publication just like we are and so I don't know I find it a little irresponsible to call it the best phone of the year we've still got three months and about four phones to go yeah I definitely think that I agree especially as we have the LG Google coming up and unless you count your years in some weird way like from September to September for any certain reason I know that we are very Apple centric in the US so perhaps that might be the case but I even then I think that strongly disadvantages any entries from November to December given that we have to cover these in a whole spectrum like the the market is ever-evolving and to have like some sort of arbitrary placement even if it's for 2018 like like from January to December like that's what we're seeing if there are so many phones are that are about to come out in October and they - you know right Jaime - to crown any one of the phones we have right now as the absolute best is really weird to do when you have one month of what is it like six or seven phones that is about that are about to be announced and it's in bear in mind this is not that I disagree like is it the best phone so far I have to agree on that I would call it the best phone so far no no room for comparison that's not that it's no room for comparison because like display made already rated at the iPhone 10 max has a better screen than the note 9 even if by Sam's well well but here's the thing like we know like it's rumoured but it's not confirmed that LG is also building panels for the 10s so we're not sure what panel they were using or if it's LG or I don't know it's it's kind of hard man yeah well okay in terms of the iPhone 10s max I'll actually you know what Brandon real quick you're using your no nine stole right now I'm using unfortunate oh you don't have more than one SIM card there guy says my question I do but I like to use one vice at a time okay yeah you're not ADHD like I am well speaking of the iPhone 10's max oh that's the other thing to you Brendan I hope we'll get some insight from you on the comparison between these two phones as you use them over the next however so long I've been using these two phones as my dailies but right now we have the iPhone 10s max which has a little bit of its own controversy because apparently as we reported last week on the on the weekly I should say the iPhone 10s and the tennis max happen to have battery capacities that are not necessarily where users wanted them to be and apparently the iPhone 10 still not really smokes but it's still better than both of the new iPhones when it comes to battery life now clearly in this chart that you're seeing right now is Jo's is bringing up Android battery life is far and beyond what these iPhones are capable of but just as a anecdotal evidence I will admit that even though the battery capacities are lower than we might want them to be - tennis max has been able to handle days without much problem I will ago here's something interesting the if you look at the previous iPhones compared to their Plus versions the capacity increased like 30 to 45 percent so like the difference between the seven and seven plus was much better battery life interestingly this year between the tennis and the tennis max there's only a 19% increase in battery capacity or well in terms of battery comparison size when you compare the iPhone 10 to the 10s it's taken maybe like a sub 5% drop a little and you would hope that a lot of the efficiency is introduced in new hardware such as the San 7 nanometre processor would be able to increase the efficiency lessen the heat and you know ultimately you would have much more battery to spare but in this case when the average in the whole category of smart phones at least according to Tom's guide here doing its test on web-surfing cellularly when you have that average at 9 hours 48 10 s max at 10:38 and Tenace at 9:41 that still gets to you a good chunk of the day now what how much that extra hour so might depend on what you see later at night but I just god these battery tests it's like yeah we're like every human watches a video for 10 hours until the phone dies that's what every human does biggest problem the biggest problem is the battery life is so dependent like for example last night I was staying in a hotel that had zero cellular reception like zero it didn't matter if it was t-mobile or or 18z they were both on the floor and so if you have bad cellular reception in your area or battery life it's not gonna be any better so it's just it's just so subjective now one thing that I will say is for the sheer size of the Macs just how large the phone is I have to agree with Brandon then I don't understand why it's just 19% larger what you're getting you're getting 30% gains in the processor technically right it's a semi true but it's it's not like if you're not getting gains in that massive screen man like it's the screen on a phone of its category and so you've gotten more pixels to power but it could be Ola doesn't matter it does you know I just I feel that Apple it was too conservative III don't know there are reasons why I didn't order the Mac's I just I felt that there was not enough benefit towards the phone to warrant having to put up with its size like in the case of the note I don't think it would be any I don't think there's a better way to include something like the s-pen like if the screen were smaller and there was an S Pen I wouldn't find that as useful as the screen being larger so there's a purpose for this phone to be big but then in the case of the tennis max it's just a blown up phone a purpose for it to be big there's nothing different about it I agree with you there and yeah that's that's been my experience that I feel like I'm not getting much juice out of this actual screen here that is more than what you would get on iphone 10 which I have used yeah that's the thing I'm speaking of screen on time I just wanted to show this real quick clearly I have a problem with distraction because this screen time app is telling me that I'm using the phone way too much and the most news app is YouTube I am I am according to this what's that called the screen time screen time I am psychotic I live I checked my phone I checked my phone hundreds of times a day I'm not even kidding there's something wrong with me I need I need help but wait a second he didn't know that you didn't know that there was something wrong oh yeah exactly this is on another level like I've got a problem and I need help well this screen is a very interesting piece of the puzzle here because we're talking about the cost of the materials when it comes to the iPhone 10s max and we have an article over on pocket now of course that deals with how the price turns out the way that it does even if overall the the phone itself costs maybe four hundred and forty three dollars a unit to produce in particular the 256 gigabyte iPhone 10s max which is the most expensive version of the phone now one thing is sort of the 512 gigabyte version but then we announce that are discussing we could have for another day and there's 512 oh yeah yeah and the 1249 price tag but it's not really also a fair comparison we are comparing it to the iPhone 10 and I don't believe tech insights gave there a storage capacity for that teardown we're talking about 10% difference here yeah and what I find so interesting about this is that the most expensive Ida phone might still have a materials price tag of under $500 overall but it's not necessarily that the materials themselves are becoming more and more expensive it's more like the housing costs and component housing rather cause also mechanic costs everything is getting more and more expensive to make not necessarily that the parts are very high in price yeah and those pricings are every time that I read that I'm like come on guys have you seen how much money Apple invest in marketing mm-hmm like you you really can't just be like yeah the phone cost $200 to make right you need to make a profit that's how businesses work they're not just gonna give you a phone away they're not not every company Xiaomi well here's the thing is is that outlook continues to report quarterly margins of anywhere between 35 and 40 percent so that's still a huge chunk so even if it's not you know the massive 60 percent here half of that they're spending half of that for whatever they need research development marketing that's a pretty good traffic and that's the thing I mean to be able to build a phone like this to be able to build any phone you require a lot of money in R&D so it's not like okay so the components and machining and hand labor and this oh yeah and so you think that they just came up with the design of the manufacturing plant you know just magically no you require R&D for all these things to be put together and just think about it it took two and a half years to build the first iPhone can you imagine how much investment went into two and a half years of labor and coming up with a product that we revolutionized the market and I'm not just you know I'm not I'm not trying to you know give a salute Apple but it's true like any smartphone before the iPhone was not nothing commit like even Android was not what it was until the iPhone came out well I would argue it's the same thing with the iPods because they made massive margins on those two and it has it had been an iterative process for them maybe since June 3 Gen 4 so think about you here's the thing jewels back when you were I I would assume you were like three or four years old when we was that we would have to carry dis men's around and these would skip like like whoever actually used the dis man would be wooden like when people see the announcement of the first iPod people don't understand how that product was so significant today because they don't understand what we used before the iPod yes Andrew what was being marketed at the time was very nerdy and kind of unattractive it was terrible tell somebody that they could carry 1000 songs in their pocket like it was it was unbelievable like I remember that I would have to carry this bag it was called a quick case and so my dis man would go into it and then it had a spot for like five CDs because obviously there were no CD burners back then he had to buy the discs he's got to buy the discs and there was no mp3s these didn't exist either so like it was this people don't understand just how much the iPod change the market I grew up in the age of Kazami and I'm sorry yeah I was like right on I was born right in the cusp of that of that change and I grew up with CDs but then recordable CDs became a thing and then we started hustling by burning them and selling them but shouts out silent keep oh by the way that's a turd that's it that's a brandy never hear any more that laddie that was my CD player my work like Onkyo is a non-key oh part of technics I'm not sure I'm not sure where they're at right now I'm not sure but oh my god the brand technics like in the 80s you would pay thousands of dollars for stereo system from them this this all reminds me of my favorite line from one of my favorite shows I know if anyone here has watched Parks and Recreation but Ron Swanson in the show he's very old-school he listens to records and and you know he's very he's really really old-school like a man's man and whatnot but he had to leave his office but he wanted to listen to his music still so he shows up with an iPod and he goes Tom put all of my songs on this rectangle but one last question I want to ask about this particular story of you guys just a quick hot take I wanted to know like so we understand that there's R&D there's marketing there's all of this that goes into the price of the phones because of what they are but just how much do you think what we might call the Apple tax goes into these phones just the fact that this is the brand we're talking about how much of that do you think goes into it it's not just that so the reason why Apple is so profitable so people try to understand companies like Xiaomi exist how is it possible that they only make 5 percent margins over their phones obviously Apple is not making 5 percent they're making 100 percent margins over every product like like every business if you buy a car it's a hundred percent margin if you buy a real estate they usually make that amount of margin that's just the industry standard the thing about Apple is they don't just control the product they control the store and they make 30 percent off of every dime that is made so if you renew your Netflix account through Apple guess who gets 30 percent for that renewal so the way so the the way that Xiaomi makes money through their stores in China is exactly the same way that Apple is so profitable it's because they control the whole banana and they tax not the it's not the Apple tax doesn't just happen in the hardware it happens in the software as well mmm I didn't actually I actually did not know that very specific piece of info there yes there is it's literally 30 percent for every movie 30 percent for every song 30 percent for anything that is sold within like if you do in app purchases within Apple they get 30 percent it doesn't really matter like that's the reason why certain applications like Amazon had issues like selling you Kindles like they force you to go to the browser because if not then Apple gets a 30% cut over that ebook for example the Netflix is testing the same thing with a web rap interface perhaps exactly to avoid the 30% cut because so just do the math I mean how much so just do the math if Apple paid developers 40 billion dollars they got a 30% cut over that yeah and it's I mean it's a pittance to say what they've done to perhaps better this situation because I think it was last year that Phil Schiller was talking about introducing subscription discounts so if you're subscribed to sur an app with a service after year's subscription apples cut drops down to 15% but that I never comment on each user to stay with the app for 12 months consecutively so there's a lot of stuff that could go wrong with that and you're not really guaranteed the results that apples dangling from you which is why still men these apps are struggling to figure out okay maybe I can circumvent this or maybe we'll just have to deal with it and it's kind of crazy um there's a comment in here that I think would tie everything together here from Roshan chicane it is stupid to think Apple became one to a 100 dollar company by not cutting corners I and I don't think that it's cut corners in the way that one would conventionally think in terms of its own kind of thing but it's able to cut corners cutting everyone else's course no no let me let me just say this let me give you an example there's a vehicle brand called Lotus in in the I think they're they're uk-based they make sports cars but they don't snap a v8 or a v10 engine on these sports cars they simply make a very light chassis and therefore they can put in a v6 and it'll be just as fast as your v8 or you v10 now in fact that Apple is capable of creating software that's so power efficient and so Hardware efficient is not their problem they're just smart that's the way it is so they yes they have four gigs of RAM instead of eight how is it that they're able to optimize iOS in a way where they only need four gigs of RAM to perform just as good as an Android phone would require six or eight that's not something you can blame them for that's just a smart way to make money man well maybe these cut corners I mean you might be able to comment a little bit on this because our next story has to deal with the radios that are in so how how much of a problem would it be if Apple apparently may have actually taken some of the code that would support Intel modems from Qualcomm now granted inside of the phones what what what we discussed this a little bit behind outside of recording podcast like this and whatnot that you know Qualcomm radios I mean obviously they are they they're hot pieces of kid that these Apple phones don't have right now and it's showing because of the network connectivity issues and now Qualcomm is filing this suit that's saying that Apple stole some of their code and they and they did it poorly by the way not just I I don't know man I it's very difficult I hate these legal topics because it's not that I'm hating over the commenting it over right now it's just I hate going through these legal topics because it's it's you know a lot of companies will just start throwing in there what they assume is gonna happen and this and that no it's it takes a while there's a lot of Pro I could've yeah there exactly and so but here's the thing obviously if all iPhones are now using Intel modems that somehow these Intel modems are using Qualcomm patents to be able to work on CDMA for Verizon it's print so it's not you know well every it's a very difficult thing so this is all Qualcomm claim they have not sued on this particular claim they have added this accusation as part of a brief for another lawsuit which is more patent related but you know if there is a lot of still proprietary code that is not under a patent but also that you know that they're talking about that is perhaps maybe a trade secret or that could be a differently classified thing but we go back to Apple it is known for diversifying its part sources as much as possible to drive price competition between those suppliers and make sure that they're able to provide you know for less and with this apple and Qualcomm and Intel there's been a lot of talk about how much everyone wants to pay or everyone wants to offer to be able to provide a modem to Apple for it's very very popular iPhones and I think our next story oh yeah Qualcomm it is still positive that they can have a relationship with Apple still and what what the put I hope they do because I have a story for you guys well now the issue is over the price of the intellectual property so there is a precedent for this kind of thing where back in back in China and we know a lot of Chinese manufacturers are prominently showing Qualcomm's name on the back of their phones if you look at that Xiaomi he ate Explorer edition the locals like right there and back in the translucent vacuum yeah but clearly there's there had to be some way for Qualcomm to provide their patents and also in a way provide their their their products to these Chinese manufacturers in a way that actually worked for those Chinese manufacturers so back in Beijing there was a there was a claim that was made there was that there was a final claim that said that there has to be a lower rate that Qualcomm provides to Chinese manufacturers which might add to the whole point that Chinese phones like shammies are generally a little bit lower in price when it come when you compare them to their Western constituents but yeah Qualcomm is still thinking that once those things are ironed out they could they could possibly come back into the Apple fold let's let's hope they do because two things so David Cogan and I he was making a video which I highly recommended since i phone tennis max complete walkthrough and he's like dude let's go run those speed tests of that video that you did for between the galaxy note 9 and the iPhone tend to see how it performs so I brought the Newton s which apparently in theory has four by four my mo and gigabit LT I don't know if four by four my mo but L gigabit LTE we brought the note 9 we brought his 10s Max and guess what phone Wan denote the note 9 by God so I was getting a hundred and sixty megabits down on the note nine I was getting 68 megabits down on the iPhone 10s and 10's Mattacks was pretty much the same number I was getting 30 down on the iPhone 10 why is there such a difference like technically do you know so the question is what bands are supported is supported by that modem does the tennis and tennis max do the tennis and tennis max have the have all the bands that t-mobile is now offering is the question because t-mobile is the network that provides those gigabit speeds in New York sadly the I don't I don't know of any spots where I could go with an AT&T phone and get those same speeds and viewers listeners if anybody knows please shine in the comments and we would love Li we would love to go test them like no problem but Oh give me a small give me a second Jules all I know is is of that sector in 57 and 7 go run your test if you want and so two things that that's the first you know the differences in in battery life sorry the differences in data speeds and then guys how good is your battery life on your 10s is tennis maxes man because I mean the battery life on on like people are complaining about the battery life on their iPhones henesys and they're also complaining about the connectivity of their phones that's another piece of news it's happening true like I said earlier battery life seems to be pretty standard for me I haven't had any problems I haven't had what I used to call the iPhone syndrome where you have to the iPhone phrase where you always have to walk around and go you have a charger do you have a charger charger Ivan had that but you know I haven't had any problems with it but that said it does seem like a gross oversight to me that there is not a fast charger in the box we don't even have to talk about the audio stuff because to be frank I do have a pair of ear pods so I do use them with the iPhone 7s max but yeah as far as power is concerned thank God I have my own chargers because they do charge the phone pretty quickly and I and how about your Wi-Fi connectivity because that's the thing like if I'm in my if I'm in the room of my apartment with the router in the living room I get connection on every device on every Android device but iPhones they don't get Wi-Fi I haven't had a problem with that yet I have I have a Google Wi-Fi mesh network in my house and I haven't had any issues with Wi-Fi connectivity I know that just a kind of a shameless shout-out to mr. Ettinger over at TechnoBuffalo he did say that he had Wi-Fi connectivity issues were and he would leave his Wi-Fi network of his house come back and it would not automatically be connect I don't have that I don't have it either so I was Wi-Fi is concerned I'm okay I'm good but when it comes to data speed connections I will admit I did notice that it was slower when I was shopping at Costco I'm such an old man and I was in line trying to download stuff for a game and it was taking forever they sell good wrist history man and I just wanted to make a complementary point like what technologies in you know that t-mobile network aren't they not for how supporting like I think it's I don't know what the I don't know what the number of the but also quad Euler amplitude QAM or whatever buttons or 4x4 Maya is part of it but also carrier aggregation as well as a QAM which Qualcomm also seems to be able to do carrier aggregate Gibbon LT is possible through carrier aggregation so I took my understanding if you've got gigabit LTE that's how you get it done but the 4x4 MIMO is what I'm not sure if it's on the iPhone 10s that's the thing I do know that every device with a snapdragon 845 has it but I don't know of the iPhones it's research that we're still doing well Qualcomm marketing yeah I was about the same Qualcomm some marketing is that all for that all of those my Mo Kio a.m. as well as carrier aggregation is there kind of package of what they classify is gigabit LTE capability so that's what they're talking about and if until maybe has some code but not all of it or it's something that it's weird its Emelia it is weird and I'm Mike and my device is the carrier unlock what device that you guys get I'm sorry say that again my device is the carrier unlocked which guy which one do you guys get unlocked and I've been wanting to put this is a good time for me to ask the question if I have a carry unlocked version of the iPhone can I put up Verizon sim in there or is it only GSM ah no I wanted the Verizon sim won't work on it which is the so I don't know about the tennis max or 10s I know that in in in every device before the seven you couldn't I don't know about the ten that is a good question because now it's just one SKU yeah cuz I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a good question because that's the thing like you can do with an lg phone or a Samsung if you've got a verizon sim you could put a verizon sim on and on an AT&T note 9 so long as it's unlocked and it'll somehow work yeah because again it's because the the snapdragon 845 supports the CDMA bands whereas if you do it again like my son was trying to do with a 7 plus didn't work okay work well we're talking carriers at the moment there is there are a couple of last stories in this first segment and one of them the first one of our two right now how to deal with t-mobile as we talking about and their acquisition of MetroPCS now it's not just an acquisition it's a change to what they have acquired it is MetroPCS but now they're gonna just call it Metro by Tina maple we've already been colouring the Metro for in the past however many years since you know especially after the acquisition in 2012 oh yeah as well back yeah and there's the crime changing of the plans and whatnot but this is another one of those incentivizing changes like we talked about a little while back I'm trying to remember with who sprint sprint was trying to put all of these different add-ons and incentives to their plans and this is the same thing with Metro apparently you're going to get Google one cloud storage with this also Google one terrible name for it but Google one cloud storage if you bump it up to $60.00 monthly then Amazon Prime is bagged in as well so this is a this is what could be generally considered a budget category when it comes to all the phones that Metro has given their service as well but does this make the service itself much more enticing if you get things like Google one ends more importantly Amazon Prime very quick thing Amazon Prime is a real a real benefit let me just say real quick because the other day they announced - our shipping delivered to our delivery for free on prime now from Whole Foods I did it I'm stocked on butter now because now ghee and butter yes but just saying there is a benefit to it so if you get Emma's on Prime there are some real tangible benefits and I think a lot of people who discount Amazon Prime are not really using all of the services that are included with it so that's just what I don't I don't I don't take advantage of friend music I don't take advantage of Prime video I have never walked into a Whole Foods in New York I should what okay that's not gonna first stop every time because I need to get stuff from my Airbnb / department / / hotel room so but anyways yeah I was gonna say Brendon we haven't heard from you in a little bit I want to see what your thoughts are on all this yeah I'm just listening do you guys remember Boost Mobile and their tagline where you at and they had like granny's do that but I think that the slogan on this Metro by t-mobile isn't a genius I'm like no because what is the slogan yeah Jules just play it again it's it's that's a John Legere thing to say you know I can't be the uncarrier so I mean that's you know it has to be something smart and oh that's genius so I guess that's how they're pointing it and again this cements t-mobile's kind of presence in Metro because they've long relied on Metro t-mobile's network so this just puts it in front and also t-mobile is trying to make the case that they want to be able to keep all of their prepaid carriers so when talking about that merger with Sprint's would they have three carriers that have more than half of the share of the prepaid market they actually did an interesting move in Oh allowing customers to choose whether they pay before their term or after their term so before the month or after their month which is song and that kind of just maybe disrupts if you want to say that generously the concept of a prepaid carrier so that might be something to watch for in the coming days yeah probably so prepaid is great for the carrier because they don't have to deal with people that don't pay you know their Latin America it's the way to go like that it's cheaper it's funny but it's cheap it cost me the same money to make a call to the United States from on loo at US than it does to call where they don't notice just if I'm using a prepaid plan because they just don't want to deal with the drama B of billing people they just want them the money out of time yep yeah because the switch could be a little bit weird it could be speaking of weird switches apparently the feed on Twitter is going to be getting some changes and not to say that anybody not to say that anybody has become very used to the highlights version of the feed you know there are a lot of people who say this about Instagram and Twitter that when it changed from a reverse chronological order feed to a highlights feed that was not a very well received change but it looks like Twitter's going to double back a little bit they're gonna go back to for the most part a reverse chronological order feed but there is going to be a setting that allows you to quote-unquote see the best tweets first so they are going to have a bit of a curation that is added into the reverse chronological feed but for the most part you'll be able to look at things on that from from a for lack of a better term historical context so things are going to be based upon when they were last posted now if you use something like I feel like if you use something like TweetDeck this was never an issue right like the third-party apps never got the the curated version yeah exactly so I haven't I honestly I have not aside from the mobile app that I used to post and maybe look at make replies and do stuff like that I don't look at that feed very often you know sometimes the Twitter highlights come in and someone's like I don't know David Cogan and Brendan minimun liked Jaime Rivera's tweet and I'm like what's that tweet I hate it when I get notifications like did you see what Joshua Vergara just posted first post in a while have a look if you take the time gonna look at highlights they're actually pretty good about what certain people have to say I would subscribe to their tweets and I would deal with notifications right notifications but hey yeah like come on yeah definitely um well okay I'll admit that I go to the highlights a little bit and since we have been talking about 10s max versus Android type stuff III noticed that the highlights on iOS look different than the ones on Android on Android they have the swipe like the magazine the zine style one and then on and on iOS it's just this like scroll of of the different highlight so I thought that was interesting by overall I think that yeah I haven't had a problem with this like I've been looking at reverse chronological order since TweetDeck was the thing so I'm not really tweak that but you know they never had the desktop version never had any toggles for see the best tweets first it was it's mostly a baby yeah because tweet tweet egg is owned by Twitter at this point right isn't it so yeah yeah maybe it'll get something like that but many people you know the Instagram has not made that that that shift yet back to just reverse chronological order I still see things from like 18 hours ago that I'm like I don't care I think because sometimes it's sometimes it's stuff that's not relevant why are you talking it's dinnertime why am I looking at breakfast tweets you know I think that's something I always notice when I look at my Instagram feed I think you can sorry girl I was gonna say I think Instagram could do so much of a better job of putting in your feed stuff that might be of interest there like I don't know if you guys have ever spent time in like the Explorer cap on Instagram there's so many Instagram accounts that I think would be interesting I like cars I like phones you know and like oh I get our women in bikinis man why is it that I was when you look at one like the quote-unquote bad thing on Instagram all of a sudden the discover tab is all of them yeah thirst traps for days we are going to talk about Instagram some more especially after some really big developments over at Instagram and Facebook land butts we are first gonna go pay some bills all right here all right this episode of the PocketNow weekly is brought to you by champ now and this ad was brought to you by a local coffee shop that's usually where our copywriter Jules does his work these days on the go a lot of us do actually including people who are owned businesses and if you're managing a tech fleet of Macs iPads and iPhones for employees near or far gems now is definitely here to help you out with jammed you can distribute settings for Wi-Fi and email standardized preloaded apps and data plus 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install that yeah I've been hearing with some really good things about it you should try it because the open betas were really good even the Developer Preview is good so I can't imagine how good the Developer Preview was terrible but then the open beta was was fine mmm and on the great but you're you're you're more next da developer than anything I'm just a guy that uses a phone I want it to be stable and it was stable but maybe maybe you didn't flash it right out it sounded like something out of a rom-com I'm just a guy wanted to be stable I was just gonna say the one thing that I will give one plus so much credit for is the thought that they put into their OS oxygen is just a breath of fresh air for lack of a better way of putting it because because for one for one thing one thing I really dislike about the huge screen on the 10s max is that I have to reach for everything now you can do the whole reach ability thing which is it's kind of lame right it's hard to use yeah and the thing is like you know if I'm going to have folders in the dock to reach for it and I dunno 9 has this problem too let me just say I hit I hit the folder and then I got to reach up to hit my icon on oxygen everything's down here you can see I actually did I actually don't like that really the thing about it is if the folder I was if the folder is like a let's say the folders up here but then you get the icons down here like I hate the note 9 throwing them all the way up there I like how the iPhone leaves the folder close to where your finger is and it doesn't yeah but your folders are like okay then it's a very specific thing for me because your folders are like on the home screen while I have them down here on the dock so a little bit different also full screen gestures I still hate them but this whole multitasking are like that so much you know what I'll admit that's not bad and when I went back to the polka phone which I'm trying to finish the review of finally it not having that actually made me mad so I'll give some kudos to iOS in that regard well you know you can just double tap the recent an Android it does the same thing it's not as fast and smooth but you can do it not if you have full screen gestures on the poco phone me you I me you I makes you swipe up and hold there's no quick reasons on full screen gestures they're got turn on the nav bar if you want that got turn on the nav bar right yeah all right cool so um I guess we can go ahead and get into our main stories because there's so many of them but they're all related topic cuz mean topic okay fine okay fine Gio's mister I wrote all these stories here's the thing yeah Facebook has had a rough kind of the past few years I mean years to say the least you know elections and all that but also the fact that it hasn't been generating enough profit and that caused a whole you know kind of 120 billion dollars right from its stock value in one day which is terrific I guess you could say and then today we also had the ALP reach 50 million counts under compromised because of a site vulnerability so there's a whole bunch of stuff happening yeah there's a story blood right now I just got notification that there was a hack today yeah 50 million accounts it's amazing but the thing is that well it's not just Facebook because it owns Instagram it owns whatsapp of apps that we use every day I know hi may you your whatsapp fiend and also Instagram theme so like you're kind of encompassed by the whole Facebook laws I just bought the apps but the moment like right now that the CEO the co-ceos of Instagram have left I don't know what's gonna happen cuz the day I like the fact that they're not Facebook well the thing is that there has been a lot of Facebook control exerted over it because the Wall Street Journal has been reporting that a lot of staffers were taken aback and that they had to deal with a lot of Facebook teams overriding what they have done which and I think the CEOs have left I mean I feel that they just were they they a lot of it's like you know that recently in the quarter results call like Facebook instructed whatsapp you have to make money you have to figure out a way to make money and whatsapp has been reluctant to monetize and with ads in Instagram Instagram wasn't the same story they do monetize but they're not God like Facebook is like the the crown jewel for gossip and just terrible media it's like but I know my parents love it but a hold to a standard though yeah indeed they haven't turned out to a standard I just had this conversation with a couple of our fellow influencer or friends if we go if I can use that term we had a discussion last night over a different so Michael Fisher because he hates that well you know what quick shout out to Trisha Hershberger and Jessica Nazir II they were the two that I was hanging out with because they both they're both LA natives so reminders they live in LA so we were talking about the Instagram feeds and one thing that they really enjoyed about Instagram was that it was very Spartan like you don't get inundated with all of these different fees over on the sides or any of these extra links it's just a it's just all about the content and Facebook has a huge problem when it comes to throwing information in your face and also that information may or not actually be relevant to you because let's put it this way on YouTube it's very easy to know that if you want to follow somebody if you want to know what they're going to be posting you subscribe to them but on Facebook you have to like them what does that mean you have to hit the thumbs up like button and all of a sudden you start getting everything from them when maybe you didn't want to I didn't subscribe to you I just said that I liked you so well you can like that but also you can follow them or you and then you can change what the feed shows you you can say like you know stuff that only you're tagged in and whatnot it's crazy the amount of information and with the CEOs of Instagram leaving a lot of the fears like you said Jaime is that Facebook is going to inject all of this uselessness into what is probably the only darling social media platform right now alright just I can't wait to see what the co-ceos come up with with next because sadly instagram has asteroid snapchat I don't know if sadly but they just have they literally have and I I don't know man I I like features like that are coming out with Android Pi and with iOS 12 where you you get to see how much how much time you spend on social media probably the worst thing about Facebook and it's the reason why I avoid it is because Facebook knows exactly how to keep me browsing their product they don't care about you they care about you spending time on their product because this is the way they make money but they don't care if you're productive or unproductive if you're making money or not they want to make money off of you no matter what and probably Facebook is the worst service to achieve that so if this is the death of social media as we know it because Facebook is going to ruin Instagram fully then fine so be it I think that it will actually help me be more productive anyways you know that that's just the way I see it it's just it's it's dad Facebook is such a bad service just you get to see how socially awkward Mark Zuckerberg is thanks to his product yeah well I mean that that's one of the controversies that has happened with this thing because we remember the unsend controversy that they were testing they were quote-unquote testing an unsent feature for facebook Messenger and a lot of Mark Zuckerberg old friends kind of were scrolling around and know saying hey these messages from this thread have suddenly disappeared from mark like why is that the case and it took a lot of arm-twisting for Facebook to realize that yeah we actually have discussed this feature and blah blah blah this totally it's a completely unethical service and I think it's proven in politics and so many things you know and what that's the thing like even even just this past week there was a whole segment of it I'm John Oliver show on last week tonight about how Facebook has actually and you know what I I'm Filipino I date someone who's from the Philippines Facebook is the free network in the Philippines when you get a SIM card from any one of the carriers there it comes with Facebook free oh yeah yeah actually so long as you don't browse photos you don't pay for data exactly yeah it's it's interesting what face someone with someone with a borderline dumb phone could look at Facebook for free yeah and it's crazy you know and that and that's how most people get their news because they otherwise they're paying for data and it's crazy how Facebook has been able to insert themselves in that regard I do want to go back to one point that you made Jaime that you're looking forward to what the CEOs of Instagram are going to think of next because as it says in this first this first article here for our topic they're planning on taking some time off to explore curiosity and creativity again which is actually kind of the same thing that the founder or rather co-founder of whatsapp said when he departed the Facebook board of directors as well what's his name Jan koum says I he'll be taking some time off to do things I enjoy outside of technology oh man if only we all had so much money for us to be able to do that in our lives as well Brandon well I use Facebook and Instagram and Twitter so the big three is yeah so funny last night I had dinner at Jaime and then we were walking back to the car and he was he was saying how terrible Facebook is but then he said but then he said but you know Instagram I like Instagram and I'm like yeah Instagram stories are so hot right now it's like yeah you know it's cramps such a happier place and then and then we looked at each other and he was like oh crap Facebook owns Instagram yeah it's surprised if we start seeing more integration with stuff from Facebook into because isn't that what kind of whatsapp has been kind of dealing with as well like it's it's still been able to be the messaging app we all remember but isn't Facebook slowly just side of like making it their own making it tentacles I like whatsapp for what it is I just there are certain things about whatsapp that or not they're not perfect honestly I wish I wish telegram were more popular because I feel that it's the more complete messenger service but you know fair does it have video chat yet yeah yeah whatsapp does what sense does telling took a long walk no telegram I don't know I haven't used it them a bit nobody it's like the blackberry messenger because I'm as I mentioned a second ago that you know being Filipino we know what Facebook has done to our country in a certain extent so Lisa my girlfriend and I we we tried to boycott Facebook services was kind of hard to because facebook Messenger she doesn't have favorite data if we use video chat it's the war yeah it's crazy well one thing that I'm also worried about too is virtual reality thanks to oculus being on Facebook and we've been talking about how virtual reality has been evolving if only in just the enterprise space because that's where a lot of deployment can happen and there's been talk about sexual harassment training and a lot of these experiences being done through VR to perhaps increase empathy and to make it more effective than previous efforts have been to prevent sexual harassment and there are there's been just the whole general thought of you know how these experience experiences are effective at curing phobias that making people go through certain experiences that they might not have before and with all of that like I'm wondering all right so what's gonna happen with Facebook Kanak ulis in the future because at this point they're still on announce the front is the product I mean they're on the first floor of hardware but it's still a while yet before we find you know certain apps or a categorized or it's something that can be monetized and then exploited for services and whatnot advertising Josh really inflammatory comments they're like exploited were you in the briefing of the LG g5 inbox hello and I'm more than sure that you were there I'm pretty sure I was yes see do you remember the VR approach from LG where it was like a pair of sunglasses and then had a USB port a USB C port where you would put your phone on your pocket yep and then it was just so small so practical mm-hmm so I think that VR is not gonna take off regardless of what companies do until they come up with a solution that practical that easy to carry there's a great art piece that I encourage everyone to see it's from my what's his name Katie Matsuda and it's called hyper-reality and it's just a whole bunch of it's like the dystopian world of what if this was our lives and there's just a whole bunch of stuff lots of loyalty programs this woman's on a bus and there's a people talking to her and it's just crazy so I encourage you to look at that I can't wait so I can put in contact lenses and experience another reality and you know what's gonna happen we're gonna be putting our contact lenses and playing virtual ping-pong and then we're to look off to the right there's a table and there's gonna be a coca-cola bottle we look off to the left and a Walgreens store is gonna be there because advertising we're just gonna keep looking around and we're just going to be seeing Kylie Jenner here's the pro here's the thing I really wouldn't mind so let's not talk about politics but I guess even if I like capitalism I guess I'm against the prospect of a future like that because of the capitalist need of companies to impress their investors because what's the problem that all these companies what do these companies just come up with used products to figure out ways to sell you new things and so it just deters from whatever enhanced experience you can have because they have to sell you ads because they need to make their investors happy and so the problem is that there's a lot of lack of ethics because it's all about making a dime and that piss me off yeah I mean it was go-ahead Britain yeah it's gonna say it's it's always been like that there's a book out there called marketers around everything anytime somebody has your attention whether it's a billboard on the road or a commercial on television or a YouTube pre-roll ad or a magazine ad or you know newspaper ad you know marketers have to find a way to access people and and it's always going to be that way it's not I don't think it's like you know you made it sound like it's evil or it's not that it's evil it's just the purpose I so I like the concept of certain companies wanting to no longer be public companies that they want to buy back and become private companies because they're pissed at the fact that there are a lot of things that they want to do but their board of directors doesn't allow them to do it because it doesn't make investors have short-term profits yeah that's it's that's that's what I don't like it's that whole concept that we have to do it for the investors we have to do it for the investors let's fire 30,000 people because we're gonna let go for Hardware the vision because we have to make the investors happy how is that preferred for society how is that better for society you know so I'm not saying that everything is bad I like the whole concept of the stock market and being able to invest and there's a purpose for it it's just it's been prostituted into making the investors happy at the expense of humanity that's what pisses and it all it never has always been about that I mean there has been a lot you mean you have you've heard the phrase over and over again to enhance shareholder value over and over again for these public companies it hasn't always been like that and if you go all the way back into like industrial times I mean again we talked about Henry Ford and you know giving his workers a decent wage so that he they can afford the product that he's selling which was the Model T's so they're little but then but then even in those times and let's move away from politics but even in those times they needed to get people employments showed in during the times of the depression it's not like let's figure out ways to not give jobs it's to make the investors happy no we have to give people jobs for them to be able to consume you know that's just the way it was yeah the bacchanal weekly like your Thanksgiving dinner staying away from politics staying away from religion yeah I encourage you to read the book Upton from Upton Sinclair and the if well that didn't generate the laughs that I wanted but whatever also that is reference to lie in this type of podcast suggestion for all of you from American public media the people who make marketplace the business program at NPR there's this thing called Martin make me smart Mollywood great host formerly of all the places New York Times CNET and in Cairo's Don who's just awesome in general and they talk about a lot of this stuff so hey just the podcasters gestured there we go and there's some APM money in Jones's pocket not just bringing it back to what we were saying like you know you buy because I'm try to remember who I had this conversation with recently is that what our or maybe it wasn't a conversation maybe I heard this on a podcast also but the we used to make money by providing goods and services now goods and services are easy to make because of automated processes and now we make money by selling the things that have already been created and you know but the thing is there still have to be hands that create those things they get paid much less than the people who sell the things that are being created and it's it's crazy how we've moved into this world now where everything is at marketing and whatnot because I was gonna make the comment earlier I wish we could find a new way of monetizing anything but it's always going to be based upon marketing something else that's that's the thing so yep the only other alternative is that you know Facebook and all these other companies that are an ad platform can charge you to use the service you know that's the only alternative right I mean Alice house can you mana no one is gonna like that you imagine if all of these free services free data services in countries like the Philippines and Indonesia all of a sudden said you have to pay for it like like literally pay for it you're paying for your phone plant but then it's also $30 a month you know the what's out there wait a second you know what's gonna happen what's gonna happen is that you're gonna end up using only what you need that's what's gonna happen true when you put it when you put a when you put a selectively wall up in front of somebody they realize what it is they prove they truly need yeah and there is some merit to that but unfortunately there's the other shoe and again I'm not saying which again to the whole politics of anything or economics or whatnot but even if you create that that makes users more mindful they don't have the resources to figure out what they need so they're gonna oh my god have we achieved that with this model all right so enough Facebook before we get into cuz you know what the world though yes things kind of suck but you know what listen this podcast would turn into nihilism at some so let's let's turn to something a little bit more light a little bit more fun you know you could you could you could take that with a grain of salt because we are talking about Motorola and finally three days ago Motorola turns 90 I kind of like this logo that they used here because they think it adds in the infinity symbol of whatnot oh yeah that that's that that's good marketing but that's a Motorola that's not a Lenovo thing that's a Motorola thing right there that logo cuz I like it I don't know it's a good it's a good question I mean obviously we are we owe a lot to the history of a company like Motorola because of where we are now our R&D in mobile like literally yeah we can we can thank the iPhone all we want for the modern smartphone but we have to remember that none of that would have been possible without Motorola yeah indeed Startech what the heck is the DynaTAC oh god that so the DynaTAC is the original smartphone but the original phone Zack Morris exactly Morris phone right oh oh that's what that was called I have a feeling one day just literally gonna be called the Zack Morris phone which is a terrible thing I mean yes right DynaTAC okay for our listeners and for our viewers remember DynaTAC don't just don't give Saved by the Bell to credit DynaTAC a lot of our viewers and listeners didn't watch Saved by the Bell I mean that's true but yeah I have to say this like my favorite like I was even thinking it could it be possible that I find it on eBay a star tech 70 8:60 mm-hmm oh my god dr. Martin Cooper there you go yeah that was such a good episode for Michael and I can't believe that Michael was able to to get that interview which actually actually after that interview dr. Martin Cooper followed me on Twitter that was great that's my be Jules his way of telling me to step my game up there's the host book someone young Michael Fisher still in plaid versa ball pocket squares so I guess I guess as a final like sort of notes for our that's a weird way to put it because we're talking about Motorola as a final thought for Motorola as we end this show why did what would you say is your number one memory from this company we've used a lot of everybody everybody can start and let me be less cuz I have a lot of history with them it's that's as Brandon cuz Brandon you're you were here not necessarily uncharacteristically quiet on this but I wanna make sure you chime in more man yeah I definitely think it was the star tech because it came in many colors it had so many form factors and most of all everyone had one cuz the price got low and people had them in holsters and it was just it was sexy I mean it was a poster was so sexy because it was the phone was backwards you would only see nem at the front you could see like the sparkle of the light of service in in visible it was just the coolest thing yeah Brendon I know that you have a bit of a harder out today so if you need to wave wave goodbye just make sure you do so let us know when you're on your way out all right Jules any Motorola it's got to be the Hasselblad camera right unfortunately it's gonna be a little you know recent but not as recent as the Hasselblad and it's the original Moto X which I have never owned but mostly just for the fact that products and the used their own ideas they had automaker for God's sakes like that killer app so that yeah 100% I was going to say the Moto X because of the Moto maker as well but since you said that I'm gonna bring it back to the razor I actually have some pretty fond memories of that phone and if you look at a razor right now like if you were to hold one in your hands does it not this doesn't feet it feels different now like back when it was first out it had the sleek form factor and it was I click and it was nice and sharp because a razor should be sharp but when you look at it now it's like it's kind of it's kind of chunky yeah it's kind of chunky and tall like you know but but my memories of having that phone were so I miss flip phones I wish we would get them back maybe foldable screens will bring us back they're like it's nice I mean it's all contemporary though because you had candy bars back then and there was a little there's a good textured like like people underrate texture in our smartphone usage it's part of the reason why I actually really like using pop sagas and even though I could don't have one right now the whole idea of me like holding it but then when I'm done snap snap snap bring it down like texture so that's what they that's what a foldable phone did is like when you were done you were done I don't think a razor should be chewy yeah it's it's it's funny because so Motorola is not just in charge of innovation when it comes to the smartphone but in the cell phone business you know they started as the the first company to build a radio a car radio that's how they started that was the first product they ever made so they we had innovations there we had innovations in two-way radios like the way we would communicate in airports all of us had motorola two way radios that's how we communicated but I remember my first phone was in Nokia but then because the cell phone carrier most of the cell phone carriers in Latin America are owned by a company called millicom for those of you that don't know millicom is co-owned by Motorola so you know that alone was that one of the main reasons why there are so many Motorola products being sold back in the day back in the CDMA days of the pinna of the cellphone and so my god I literally had almost every Motorola phone you could think of from the Vulcan to the Vader to the StarTAC to the time-poor to these names I was the mold attack and you know so here's the thing like right now we praise Apple for things like design like does anybody remember the v60 one of the first metal phones back in a day that moto v60 it was the first one with a secondary display they used this like liquid type of LCD which was like greenish sort of a tint of blue I remember my first text message just happened on a motorola time port and you know how they came up with a waste of duty nine and everything like all these were Motorola innovations guys and then they came out with the razor probably the coolest phone that I think the Brandon took a break right now but I wanted to get his chime on that there was a phone that never does anybody remember the Motorola Q as well because Brandon has it right there and so just think about how many phones were so great for Motorola right before the iPhone came in but probably my favorite one that never happened Brandon do you remember the MPX 220 didn't have a flip screen or something so it was a pocket PC that had a screen with two hinges and so if you could open it vertically we had a special hinge where you could open it vertically and you could use it as a dial pad to make a phone call as a flip phone or you can open it horizontally switching the hinge and now it had a QWERTY keyboard that you can use for typing it cancels that right they cancelled that but you know Motorola came up with these like daring designs and that's really what I miss about them the fact that they were just these really cool products very thoughtful products yeah that could completely got diluted and the simplicity of the slab that came with the iPhone like all those companies from that era they didn't have the capacitive touchscreen they were going in a certain direction and the you know there is a another different direction when the iPhone came out and and then even when the smart phones came in like phone calls on a Motorola phone continued to be better than anything out there it's like using that's the problem a lot of people don't know what a now and what an analog phone sounded like but they sounded like an analog phone where you were literally it's like if you had somebody till you were talking with somebody like right there like right in front of you it was that good and that's how Motorola phones still sound today you know it's I missed those kinds of things I wish that Motorola didn't end up the way it did because I feel that it deserves more limelight true hopefully you maybe one day in the future we're going to see that happen but until then and on that note that is going to be it for now I want everyone to remember that the weekly is just as much a conversation as it is a show so make sure you make your voices heard either in the comment sections or by emailing us at pocket cast at pocketnow.com podcast and what do I say back again said you said over two weeks and my pocket casts which we do not own crap okay okay let me redo that again I know that note just as much a conversation as 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