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life a little wrong I'm Joshua Gaara what's going on everybody I'm a and Brandon are off this week but we have a couple of backstop yes and I see that my video may have frozen a little it'll come back right at the right side your dairy just stop right there the logo right there we're good exactly it's hilarious hopefully you know hopefully it'll come right back if anything already said a couple of things but in any case our guests are already chiming in we have the man with the best name for a rap lyrics TK hey how's it going man are you doing guys I'm happy to be back on the show you know I have a buddy of mine here too both will actually both my buddies here Josh and Adam so yeah good company yeah and then of course Jules in the in the in the control room of course can't forget Jules yeah definitely definitely alright so the last time we saw you TK you were like outdoors like this time you're in like your studio setup visit yeah yeah Brendan's like are you gonna have a good connection to sound like yes yes I'm back oh is that every other Friday or so I have work so I didn't want to you know miss out on the opportunity so I just did it outside on my laptop today I'm off so you know yeah a little bit better perfect all right and then we have a new guest joining us for the first time from XDA who may have objected to my use of the word backstop is Adam Conway how's it going Adam yeah I've have time to do work and things that aren't staring at a book good oh that's right winter break starts with you guys now right you know yeah I just finished my exams in two weeks that's awesome oh we might one of these days when we have you on the show we're gonna ask you like your experience as a student that because like I'm always interested in that because I started in the well and and that yeah so we'll we'll have that and he he's back hey this funny everything was working just fine until we hit well I mean those are problems that we always contend with that Jules and I was it Jules of course as in the booth today so I make sure he gives him some love in the chats he'll be monitoring the chat but also remember that you can get in on the conversation by tweeting us with the hashtag Pete and weekly so why don't we go ahead and get started with our stories all right Ben gate again I can't I you can see me just just incredulous over this apparently some of the slightly beloved let's say Jaime loves his the 2003 I 28 head froze apparently there's not just the propensity for these tablets to bend but they might actually come bent pretty bent if you will alright so Apple has confirmed to the verge who broke the story originally that some 2018 iPad pros might shift slightly bent right out of the box now they don't yeah exactly it's a streamlining of the device apparently they don't consider this a defect but a side-effect of the manufacturing process and as it says here on the article at pocket now the iPhone maker that it wants out the iPhone maker said it will not get worse all the time and it doesn't affect the performance of the tablet in any way I'm not too sure exactly how to feel about this that picture that Jules is already on yeah look that looks pretty horrible because it's not just a bend like if we think about whenever I think about bending or just like you know usually when it just been straight it just can't you know it's just ever so slight kind of curvature that just looks like a furniture right if it's a if it's a uniform curve like the LG G flex I'm usually pretty happy about that but this is like right in the middle it definitely looks like a defect any thoughts on the new hashtag bendgate from you guys competitor 2 I think that's what I was gonna write it's exactly where I was gonna go I think it's a new feature we just haven't embraced yet you're using the phone you're using the the iPad in the wrong way if you don't exactly occur the curve in towards you it's like it's surrounding you you know you curvature so it kind of does yeah it does a little bit curved its way and no no and then I think realistically even from a hardware point of view they mean if they're obviously they're acknowledging it they're not going against it I think the realistic thing is to just obviously obviously offer people the ability of exchanging it not just say that it won't get worse as time goes on meaning you should just accept it and move on because you can imagine you know down the road people looking at these especially when you try to use it in the case right so I can imagine the casing wouldn't even close the right way and I'm sure Josh I gotta talk to Doug yeah so Jules is flipping down up and down in the image yeah you could see it right there it's not a yeah just in man yeah that is just a picture but uh yeah it's it's gonna be one of those things and Oh Josh is here twice now I like it wow that was a very nice thing I'm having hi get up yeah I am having Jaime levels of connectivity right now all right there we go I think I think the last thing that I said I heard before on that on that note I think overall it's gonna be one of those things I think a lot of people are going to be obviously exchanging I think it's it's sad you know obviously we didn't have unbox therapy discovered this one but it's I think they mentioned though they said that they haven't seen an increase in like people returning them well I'm assuming so this is my theory is because because it's around the holidays so I have a feeling and some of these things are still sitting in boxes yeah you know so they haven't been gifted yeah so I'd say by next week with um bakit mood you know Boxing Day or you know Christmas Day I think a lot of people gonna start realizing these things so it may see that number go a little bit higher depending on it may have been just an isolated case I mean yeah very small sample could also just be like lying but it could be that they're just like Oh everything's cold you know nothing's going on here no no no no we and Jules your mic is off your mic is still off all right yeah a lot of technical problems all right can't get your can't get Jules up so Adam how's how's your day uh busy enough dang you got a haircut while earlier oh I get it every week every week it works great I like the stuff yeah here's Josh's back here we go hey I'm pulling I'm pulling a page out of your book Adam right now I'm actually on my LTE at the moment hey I have no idea what happened - I apologize fellas ah okay game back in - did you guys move on to the next story or are we still love me no no we we held on okay the last thing that I think I heard TK say was that hopefully apples going to be forthcoming at the very least about in providing the replacements but this is the thing they're saying that this is this is not a defect like this is I feel like that's their to get out of jail free card that they don't have to replace all of these devices so it's uh I don't know III have a feeling they're gonna be a lot of angry users out there and I mean exactly so is this something that you can look past if you were told like you can you can't replace it is this something that you think you could look pass on on the device if you were good you know you have the screen right like it's unless there was like an aberration inside of the screen itself that made it clear that is bending a certain way like it's something that I feel like you can only see when you kind of have it out of horizon like this well I would just think of the reflection right I mean even if you're holding it the light hits it at one angle on one side of the screen the other side kind of glares off the good thing about it is it's within a certain period of purchase you're obviously able to return there they're not gonna be able to basically go so far as say sorry you can't exchange it but my and especially with the holidays I'm hoping extended return policies generally it's in the u.s. they allow you to return things I'll think all the way to January or so so I and that's where Adam and I were talking when you're when we were you know getting back in there the reason why the numbers are maybe not as high is there's potential a lot possibility a lot of people have these things in boxes sitting waiting to be unboxed so you have that delay so I would say yeah look at it maybe more next week or the first week of January and see if there's maybe more reports of more people returning but yeah if I got it in the box no no that goes back right away I go down to the Apple Store and put in for an exchange yeah maybe if you're giving if you're about to gift somebody it just go ahead and like rip rip rip it open and just take a look at it and this may sure it's okay in Ireland actually there's a six year warranty period travel problems so there definitely won't be any issues returning those people buying them in Ireland not in Europe it's two years so yeah shouldn't be any issues yeah Oh neither of you guys have this iPad do no no mostly a Samsung in huawei pad tap tablets uh okay yeah okay I'm using from class but that's different oh there we go yeah I'm using I'm using a maple gecko right now you know during this podcast maybe given my technical difficulties I'm gonna perhaps change that for exit we also have a little bit of uh we have a little bit more Apple muse and in this particular case like so I mentioned while wait for a hot second but I just want to mention real quick of the May 20 Perot using the in display fingerprint reader clearly we have some trends going on in Android where we still have things like fingerprint readers they might be underneath the display they might be on the back like with the pixel three which I'm tethering off of right now but as of course when it comes to Apple they had done away with the fingerprint reader they've done away with touch ID as they had called it but apparently the European patent off with up yeah excuse me the European Patent Office publish some pen applications from Apple that included an iPhone that had both face ID and touch ID now this is honestly a really interesting prospect because a lot of Apple users a lot of iPhone users in general we're really upset to find out that touch ID was no longer going to be a part of their beloved smartphone mm-hmm so any thoughts from you guys here about a potential touch ID return animal I'll let you start on that one first I think um I I think I think the way that they would probably do that if they were going to do them some way would either be scratch the bezel this thing and go right okay return to forum people didn't like it or whatever are an in display fingerprint sensor which i think is the more unlikely thing that they will do the only thing I will say is the technology isn't there yes in my opinion I have the one plus 60 I'm not a farm problems are you having with it I just like I think well I think in one plus this case I think they've actually kind of gone and said you know this is the cool new hip thing to do we're going to implement it and I just don't feel like it's fast enough at least one day of used I know that make twenty pro friend of mine has that and he says but even still like one plus six finger but that was extremely fast was ridiculously fast yeah like probably the best I've ever used and I ever raised a phone to the one plus sixty I've mixed to us is the fastest out of all of those the 1 plus sixes I think one plus we're trying to force it out the door just to say we have it and I feel like Apple isn't going to do that I feel like this will be something we'll see next generation or even the generation after but I do think they would probably want to implement both especially for like payments and such well I think that the the finger parameters on the rear of pretty much any smartphone that we've used has always been they've yeah they've always been very reliable so I keep thinking myself like why why why try to break what's already fixed or why you know like if it ain't broke don't fix as well trying to say I'm Richard importing it there yeah I would see them in introducing it as the new feature of it you have the fact that the fingerprint reader should be in the back yeah I mean I'm looking at the photo right now of I believe this is the 10r and the why not make an in display okay okay in display a fingerprint reader technically means that underneath the glass so what if you put it underneath the glass on the back of an iPhone underneath the Apple logo oh that would be nice actually that we a smart use of the logo yeah yeah yeah I think that would be perfect and just think that's exactly where like it would be needed for economics yeah I think they should just do that so Apple you know if you're watching no yep yeah I'll wait for my check in the mail yeah how about in terms of like doing away with touch biometrics and moving the face biometrics do you use face unlock a lot so speaking of one plus sixty and where Adam kind of led us into that when I so the oneplus has one of the fastest for locked you know devices on the market and now it's not the same as what we see on the May 20 Pro with the 3d unlock it says as far as securing biometrics there it's hard it's hard I had I had the the the iPhone 10s Max and even the 10 switching over to something where I have to look at my phone every time I wanted to unlock it or do something and pay with it it became kind of a company just it wasn't it's functional I ended up relying more on the pin but it's the way we're going every phone now has it I mean everyone except for the pixel devices but that's beside the point it's one of those things that I think we need to just accept the fingerprint sensors need to get better of course for them to be under the display or underneath the glass the way we have them but having both of them on the same device and having it being an Apple device I don't know so I'm hopeful but I'm also kind of seeing that Apple never really goes back in things right when they didn't do something they've never bought me the headphone jack went away we never saw it coming back so I'm thinking this may also be just in case they wanted to cover themselves or MIDI me or maybe this is like a lower end model of some sort I'm not sure it's hard at Apple just generally never goes backward so if they've taken it away they're done and as you saw with this lineup with this year it's gone yeah Apple take us away never give us is gonna be the silhouettes and they're in their commercials and at the end of it it goes Apple taketh away paycheck number two on its way to you all right so shifting gears we're gonna go from Apple and go over to a company that hopefully we're gonna be see a little bit more of at CES which is obviously around the corner Adam I know it's a little bit difficult for you to make it out to Consumer Electronics Show TK are you gonna be there in couple weeks oh yeah yeah no I got there on the fifth and hit the ground running yeah I mean we are stuff start ahead of you can see yes right I mean we're we're days in advance so yeah I'm hoping to be there I know I think Jaime's gonna be there and I'm assuming you're going as well oh yes I mean I'm right I'm registered under pocket now well I'm next da so yeah but yes yeah I think we have we have some more people from xdh portal side all right say chief editor Michelle is gonna be there as well with us so awesome okay so this might be a phone that we would be happy to see there now whether or not this is going to be on the floor F CES remains to be seen but Lenovo has just announced or rather made light of their z5 pro GT 855 edition it's a long name give it to Lenovo for that one but not only is this going to be the one of if not the first commercial devices out there with the Snapdragon 855 it also is going to have and here's a trend that we're we're really we're getting the guys we're getting close to the high double-digit numbers in smartphone ram 12 gigabytes in this yeah okay yeah so I mean there's a lot to like about the spec sheet on this I mean obviously you have 12 gigabytes of RAM you have a generally bezel list like like minimal bezel display it is a Super AMOLED display in this case it's a full HD Plus display and also the battery is at 3350 milliamp hours so you may or may not be happy about that but yeah it's a it's also priced fairly well the max on Varian is at the equivalent of about 638 US dollars which variable it's breathable for a brand new first of its kind with 855 yeah yeah we're just off the heels of the Snapdragon 855 announcement a couple of weeks ago the Qualcomm text on it so any thoughts on the 855 in one and one oh wait Jules just corrected me a real quick but it looks like that this phone is also I might have missed this detail it's a slider phone apparently everything okay that makes this render make a whole lot more sense but yes it is a slider phone it's so funny I didn't see the word slider at all the in the right up here but that's even better I adore slider that the fact that sliders are returning so yeah let's add that to the mix it's not dragging 850 512 gigabytes of RAM and of course the lighter that is little by little I think I think it's so Mike so after we went through the entire list of them I only gripe with this entire specialist other than the fact that obviously it looks awesome is what operated yeah but it's still Oreo I mean it it's only 29 being come on gotta give us some pie holidays with while being the first with an 855 so typically we've seen mean we've seen things like that at CES right we've always seen like the first version I think QVC is we've always seen like at least one manufacturer that releases some cool tech like the in display fingerprint sensor the pompe are from last year remember and 20 CCS of 2018 so I think it's really exciting to see something this cool from Lenovo is it is it going to be the be-all best device that we're gonna look at well obviously we need to try it out but from what you guys covered Josh you and I may from from the summit I'm really excited to see the performance benefit and actually in a device because you guys got to see like pre-release stuff so as a consumer or even a prosumer or even with XDA I would love to be able to just try it out and see the comparison is it really that noticeable and specifically again we're running an Oreo it can you really get the benefit of the 855 running there or do you need the optimizations of Pi to be able to get some of the main benefits there so I would love to play with it I'll hopefully get some hands on if they do have a sample with on the floor but I'm excited 8:55 I can't wait for the for the new Onslow of a t25 to come in so the 855 one of its biggest biggest additions was the fact that it has I think it's three times faster AI because they saw the qualifier way was doing with the mpu and stuff for like AI so they were like okay let's make our own AI chip and they fit up in there and Android Pi has a lot more AI based features like you have the adaptive battery they have the app actions slices all that kind of stuff so I'd say that the real benefits will come from PI even just in terms of efficiency so Oreo see that's why I find it weird that yeah when you went like ended and then it says or I'm like come on really really say you you got you got upset at Oreo I I was right before you there where it says euy 10 and I was like okay yeah so it's the base right because at the end of the day really some of the main benefits out of the new chips that needs to be with the software right I mean you can oh shit Lambo but you know if it has an engine of a Pinto it's not gonna work the I think it's still a good move I'm pretty sure they can push out you know pie pretty quickly alright this may just be a typo maybe by the time it actually hits the market it will be running PI yeah Jules actually had the exact same mind as me and you were talking TK about how CES generally has historically there are a couple of manufacturers that come out and say well the first ones check it out and I still always remember the year that the ill-fated Li Eko brought out that yeah and they remember that one yeah Jules was pointing it out in the chat I was like I will always remember that because I remember everyone scrambled for it everyone was trying to get that phone trying to get it on camera and sure enough like not only was it the worst-performing 820 fun it was also from a company that eventually would not even will not even be around anymore yeah we're getting dangerously close to all of these manufacturers just straight up saying you know what you wanted this we're putting it in we're getting you the the the Sony 48 megapixel camera you're gonna get 16 gigabytes of RAM you're gonna get a 4k display like I feel like we're gonna eventually get time yep it's a little bit it's a little bit uh terrifying if you ask me like what one smartphone is going to cause a singularity forget with a I yeah yeah you get you getting really you get really scared if we go to CES one day and you start hearing rumors of the singularity phone it just turns out to be the most powerful device ever made it's gonna be hilarious but I wonder if any one of these manufacturers is just gonna go balls to the wall with it and and just go go all in and I mean Vegas would be the perfect time to go all-in right no but I think it'd be hilarious all right so TK you you flashed out a pixel yeah go are you 'yes 'cimmanon no no so that's that's like my biggest beef about the fact is because they're supposed to be a dual SIM device but one of them would be an ECM right and you supposed to be able to use the East him in there but I tried contacting a posh I used t-mobile mostly but I tried contacting them and I couldn't run it it wouldn't work on my account really okay so what was the story that we're talking about right now is that t-mobile launched and their Eason for iPhones for ifox so there are a couple of plans made specifically for the iPhones that of course support ECM so the t-mobile used to map the app yeah that you have to use to set it up it supports two regular use plans you have a $40 prepaid one and you also have this 21 day tourist plan which i think is pretty awesome like if you if you have an iPhone 10s or a tennis max or ten or visitin or do you soon or just the 10s I think it's the the 10s I don't remember they attend are having that Jill how can we correct us well it's definitely in the 10s so if you have the 10s and you come and you go to and you're from abroad and you come to the u.s. you can go on t-mobile and try out the isom have that it's kind of an interesting touristy travel type of hack I owe the XR that the 10r does so I I usually East them on the pixel all the time so she went traveling and TK you and I we've been to China a bunch of times oh yeah project fly has been saving sorts god-sent oh my god it's when I talked to you that one time before my trip I was like totally different experience than my first trip to China like as if I was back home so yes no definitely thank you yeah so yeah so you Sims this is the thing like why I'm over here I think Jill's already answered the question in the chat in his own way but the answer to the question why would t-mobile only really for iPhones well of course as Jill says everyone's going iPhone like that's that's always going to be the position right so I guess I would ask you got why do you think but why wouldn't t-mobile like support this on say the pixel which was the first phone to do something like a nice and popularize it I'm I'm flattered yes so we just carry your branding I think at this point right because for the most part they don't really carry the pixel and they haven't really aimed like their association with the pixels kind of a few years ago they used to give you a discount to bring your pixel over to the to their service and I remember like was the original pixel they gave you like $300 credit on your account and I think there was much better integration there I'm not sure if it has something to do with the fact that they don't officially kit you know support the pixel even though it's just a GSM connection but they've typically done that in the past like even when they release their digit service they released it on the iPhone first before they supported Android and I think it's more of a compatibility thing it's easier I mean not that nothing against Android but because of the fragmentation of the system that were the ecosystem that we have it's simpler to develop for iPhone and support a you know a certain series of devices and release that first and then work at adapting it over to Android not to say that every Android device has isom its limited amount of devices that support it you know but I just feel like that may be just a gut feeling less support what we have on them on the shelves right now and then we work on whatever we can ask people to bring over it is also very and leading on from your fragmentation point the GSMA so basically at the head of like connectivity and all that like your man was saying before that the big thing they want to avoid when bringing in the ECM standard is fragmentation so they're doing it very carefully and very slowly and that's why partnerships are so slow to roll out because it says it's a lot more complex so I'm wondering if that ties into it at all because of the ubiquity of iPhones in the US and the sense that they're all very very similar so I can also plan I would I would have sooner expected I would've sooner expected to put something out like this because they're so like in there in the iPhone pocket in a way think even more so than them t-mobile honestly but Jules is also pointing out that the only plans that you can use with the ESM right now and team over with iPhones the prepaid plans so you know as exciting as it might be you know I prepaid plan if you're not really into that they're not even putting an effort to support postpaid plan people like yourself to get know it's exactly enough and I've been with them for quite some time it I it's it's right now it's not a big issue for me because for the most part a lot of our devices still support duals you know to low standards you have the ECM and the standards them and but I know at some point that I pretty sure manufacturers will find some reason to say they needed to slot that space that the sim card takes that they need to basically remove that to add some type of feature and then we're you know all ECM and I think it's better for us because it helps us saves us from having to worry about some card degradation over time and it just makes it simpler for us and then maybe you can you know make space for SD cards again first if that ever becomes a standard again I think but I think that the number one thing I take away from this is that the isom standard is not a standard like it's definitely not and I would love to see the evolution I'm looking farther ahead in time now but like I would love to see the evolution of the Eason become that you could have like I know it's not really a thing in the US but you can you can have like three different carriers on the same phone you just hot-swap among all of them you may not be getting full dual sim or Trice and capabilities obviously but yeah at least you can switch between yeah like let's say if I had Google Phi and I wanted to use my verizon to use them and all of that that's kind of like the it's kind of the holy grail in my opinion because you didn't really even yeah exactly even right now I'm using Verizon's LTE so I'm using that in order to do this podcast I would not do that if I was on fire on here because then I would be paying $90 next month yeah okay great so hopefully the Isom will become a bit more of a standardized thing in the future but for now it is an iPhone tennis tennis macsam yes it does say here 10 R so yeah I mean if you are on t-mobile or if you're looking to try it see mobile and you have a 10 s you can try out with the with the prepaid SIM plans now on the other hand if you have let's say something other than an iPhone maybe something from you you see you might have different time in this upcoming year because apparently there's going to be well maybe or maybe not a new version of HTC su flagship phones we have talked about this once or twice already on this show that we may not be getting necessarily the next version of the U but we might just get an evolution of the existing new products that are available right now so HTC Taiwan President Darren Chen said that the company will evolve this year's you 12 plus into a 2019 version for the premium market nothing said about au 13 which I guess you know that would only make so much sense but refuting the claims of the company is getting out from that focus area so we do have other devices around the U 12 line you have things like the U 12 life which is the mid-range device which I have to say I actually quite enjoyed personally I thought that for the price that it was and for what I was trying to do it was a very reliable everyday phone but of course HTC of course has a lot of other properties in its portfolio including things I provide pro and the wireless 5 focus so it's not as if HD we talked about all the time but it's not as if HTC is just going to go and disappear anytime soon they definitely have their their hands and enough cookie jars that they can stick around the blockchain phone yeah as Jules is pointing out the blockchain powered Exodus one that actually sold out yet they think that your mother's very Darnton is very proud saying that it's so light very yeah so there's definitely they may not be at the forefront of our consciousness but they're definitely Skrudland they're like they're like they're like they're like scrapping in the back so it's it's great to see the HTC is not gonna be going anymore time soon but any like any thoughts on we should be seeing a flagship from them maybe they should just like move into these other properties these other markets and just focus on them is it more of a survivalist tactic at this point like how do you feel about HTC against 2019 HCC's yeah so for me HTC will always hold a special place I've started off with HTC back in the old days and I've always appreciated what they offered and they do I mean they have they have good hardware it's not a question of hardware anymore the cameras have been fixed and things have been getting better but this may not be a bad idea this this may not be a bad move for them just to see basically how the market doesn't 28:19 right in the early 2019 so maybe update the UU 12 and give us something a little bit like that and then maybe the you 13 you know surprise surprise comes in the second half of 2019 but something to the effect of you know staying in the forefront stayin in them in the mind of people at least keep talking about them is not a bad idea I don't think they should move out of hardware for smartphones I think this is a market that they should always stay in but they need to just be consistent and you know figure out what they want to do quickly don't don't try to do for the lack of a better word the you know what LG was trying to do a few years ago with you know the whole what to the release went to release it I think they just need to stay consistent and you know make sure they work and they provide what they're providing you know at a reasonable price that's the other thing that I hope they consider if they're going to focus more on releasing like a 2019 version of the Utah plus or whatever it is that they also mentioned that they want to focus on their mid ranges you pick it hopefully shave off some R&D costs if they're just basically redoing the you 12 plus they're not saying back to a drawing board we need a new phone they're saying we need to improve in our previous phone exactly which I think could help a lot and then as well the mid-range devices yeah they said they want to focus a lot on those which I think were a bit more reasonably priced than they're flagships not hugely more reasonably priced but they were better so I mean I'm worst-case scenario hitch is he always has their V or market that they can fall back on like valve has been pushing them hugely for PC gaming and that's been very successful so I mean they'll always be around whether it be smartphones virtual reality or our blockchain yeah Jules has a bit of a worry in our cha here that this might be another reboot for the company but you can only reboot so many times I mean but I do agree with you guys in the sense that like figuring out what does how best to evolve an existing product might be better than wasting all of the money to make a new one only for it to flop later in the year and I completely agree with that it's and I also think it's a little bit better than let's say the Sony approach which is like what are we about these xperia x 50 premium max whatever everything compact like Sony every single year just puts out yet another phone and just keeps it going it's almost as if it's almost as if Sony is the reference design of Android I mean even years ago like even with the original iPhones are one of the iPhones couple years back I remember Steve Jobs talking about Sony phones being an inspiration and then like I think Sony just in general has always been an inspiration to om sure at the ears and I don't know why eautiful design and day you know it's something about when you hold a Sony phone I've had just you always feel it's a different experience they have they have an app for basically the detail level the design the aesthetics I remember my z2 when it first came out in the US on t-mobile that was just I loved that phone it was water-resistant great camera great hardware it just looked unique it just that premium feel something about Sony no other manufacturer doesn't it tries to copy that personally you know what I will give Sony some credit I did this every single year around Aoife I give Sony this much credit they're the first manufacturer to look at the Snapdragon processor of the time and say enable it all turn it all off turn on the super-slow-mo turn on the the a I turn on the face-tracking turn on all of the things that Qualcomm announces but put it into an actual usable device first like just oh yeah is they do come out with certain features that may not necessarily land but you're right as far as I get all they definitely give you what is intended to come out because you don't always get that yeah exactly all right great so you know best of luck to HTC in the upcoming year if it's a you 12 plus maybe you'll see a review of it here on pocket now and over on XDA as well okay so we do have one more story before we get into our break I got a question the no this is not this is not the best story okay but I'm just curious over an ex-dea land how do you guys all feel about the Cydia app store wasn't you was it used at all like is this because okay what we're looking at here is the Cydia app store apparently had a security vulnerability that caused the developers of that particular application to just shut it down completely like it's we always talk about like I guess I can reap it or rather pivot my question to you guys as XDA fellas third-party app stores how how much do you recommend to users who come to XDA to use stuff like that because here we have a third-party one less pay for iOS and all of a sudden it's got this huge vulnerability that caused them to just shut everything down the media well one thing I was just like stairs well quickly did yeah I'm the Sorek who runs as he said that the payments are being shut down they're gonna leave it up but it means like paid up repositories and stuff that we're hosted through Cydia will basically die but Cydia as a whole will still exist just true whatever means they leave it off he said he's earning enough to pay out of pocket to go for server costs so it's not a big deal but as for like third-party uh repositories as a whole obviously you get pirate piracy ones what named them Adam is only the dark tipper on this podcast them try to take Google to court but anyway asteroid for example the open source market I think is a brilliant idea because if you're going with Google you're going with this whole proprietary like service base that runs on every Android phone out there more or less and you're bending to Google's will where you then have to pay like the twenty five dollar fee or whatever and then you're giving them part of your earnings which is something that epic games took issue with Y with F droid they're an open source like a provider to run on any Android phone all the apps on there have to be open source of like everything released no changes between the compiled version and the source is given so I think there's two sides to it that on iOS is a bit you wouldn't get that so much I was like cuz it's already not an open platform as such like Android is but I think it's good just to have that little bit of fragmentation just to say like to say it is an alternative well it's good that soraka's able to figure out exactly where the vulnerability lied because it is in the payment system and obviously you don't want to have your user's account information as part of the vulnerability and not only that about it's also about making sure that people aren't purchasing things that they didn't purchase so there's obviously that so they have to be but but you're talking about like third-party app stores in the sense of Android but in when it comes to iOS you know you have the of course you have the the App Store which is in which is itself a walled garden and shouldn't there be more room for other places to you know because we used to have jailbreaking but now we now when it comes to iOS like it's kind of hard to actually get a little bit more open I mean obviously iOS is that necessarily an open source software but you know any a it should there be other app stores to not really contend but to just open up the capabilities of iOS to its users I I think so competition will always bring the best out of I know any environment that you put it in as long as it is there's a way to be able to trust the competition and make sure that you're getting the right type of software so for us even I mean we talk about Android I mean even XDA right we have XDA labs that's one of our biggest things we provide you opportunities for developers to get direct access to consumers and we don't you know modify it it's something that we provided as a service but what you know on iOS is just I think most people most the average user on iOS would probably not know what Cydia is in the first place and I think that the main concern so it's the enthusiasts on that ecosystem that will probably start looking for secondary and tertiary basically app stores sorry for the sound in the background there oh yeah or you could just be like TK and mitigate all this by having a landline I do have a black box but ya know I think honestly competition will always be a little bit better and I'm gonna hang it over to Adam real quick to shut this phone off I think I think you have a great point though that there should be a little bit of that I mean in Android we we certainly enjoy that freedom and the fact that there are other resources because there are some cases where obviously some applications come out that are not fully pushed out let's say they're not they're not ot8 all the way to my actual device so I can find that there is the the app somewhere else that I can download side load and be able to get it so it's that kind of freedom that I think is great no youyou were like dr. dabba Dabba dude I could be wrong could be 90% I'm pretty sure it's a hundred and I think that's brilliant thing to have just to give like developers kind of this incentive even just a stray away from the Play Store a bitch just because if you're if you're humming over all that control to a company you get similar to apples like ecosystem where it's just like it's all in one place if they ban you or remove your app that's it you're gone like you have no recourse yeah that's fine all right okay well that will do it for our mean stories or rather our new segment for today we're gonna go ahead and take a small break here we go oh my gos my camera again geez I've been I've been reset this thing so many times I gotta figure out what's going on with that anyway okay so let's go ahead and pop into this the PocketNow weekly comes to you with support of caseta by Lutron today I want to talk to you about casita by Lutron smart lighting control brought to you by Lutron pioneers in smart home technology with casita you can schedule your lights to come on at dusk so your family always comes 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first time that I've ever met you I want to ask of you to just give a quick like we're gonna do we're gonna get deeper into this in a second but I want to get to know you a little bit more Adam so you're you're actually based out in iron I'm using 4G because my home in CH that can sustain a video call oh and also I do computer science at college and I really like technology so that's a terrible basement well it's good to have you on and of course we have TK as well I just want to make sure we give our shots to our our guests again today cuz yeah like every single week we have like we have an email chain where we talk about like who's gonna be on this week and what topics we're going to talk about and will that fail there's always hi may saying well if I'm here as in home under this more than likely he's like I'm not sure if my Internet's gonna be good or he might be traveling because Jaime travels even more than I do it's crazy and then you have Brandon who you know yes he's got a family and every now and then you might need to go off so I'm glad that we have such a short list of people that we have a short list of great people and thank you guys so much for being on so TK I haven't talked to you in a little while like how have things been on your end I've been busy busy I've been keeping busy at the end of the year just focusing on my channel trying to rework some stuff with also on the XDA side on the YouTube side we're trying to bump up our production there and yeah just keeping it busy I I love staying busy that's my main thing in life I I find that if I just sit there around the house and not doing something even if it's not productive I just feel like I'm wasting time so trying to end 2018 with a bang and start 2019 with an even bigger one so yeah I'm right there with you 2019 hopefully is gonna be like one hell of a year are you excited for CES coming up like is it are you jazzed about it so we experience here yes and a little bit differently right so we get to see different parts of it there's the floor there's the behind-the-scenes and so on and it is exciting as as the best way of your day starts so early in the morning and the end so late but you're doing so much stuff you're looking at so many new things you're talking to people you're working with people and you get to meet up with your friends that's the other really cool thing about CES for me is I get to see you know we get to hang out we say hi I'm a with you all the other guys so for that part alone definitely that's the best way to start a year and you know just work it and see what's coming up so I'm really excited and it's great it's also them it's pretty close to us that's really the nicest thing right it goes so far like it's not like Aoife with it like a 13-hour flight so we could just you know I could for me I'm driving so I'm gonna be driving over there and so it'll be nice it'll be nice and I'm getting in there right after a little break so it'll be good no awesome yeah right and there's something like CES crept so much closer to New Year's so it's like yeah you're hungover and now you're recovered go to CES and don't get any sleep yeah yeah exactly I'm just for it as well like I'm glad that you know obviously there's this there's this new home that I have with with you guys and with the weekly that allows me to still be able to come out to all of these things and and to have those resources I my thanks for that so only a couple of weeks away from CES so I'm really looking forward to that you can of course look forward to a lot of to a lot of coverage but I was mainly going to say we're going to have some awesome weekly content so we're gonna do a podcast out there we can actually get you like face to face TK for perhaps yeah yeah and in Adams case you know maybe I mean obviously the better one for you will probably be what Barcelona or like MWC or you feel like if you were yeah maybe yeah maybe we'll see you out there at some point but you know we're getting a little we're getting a little ahead of ourselves CES a couple of weeks away but just days from now literally for if you're watching this live right now four days Merry Christmas everybody and we're so close christmas time is here happiness is here I'm just singing the song at this point but we do have a bit of a segment today because we already talked about gifts that we would give people in our lives that we may not have already gifted or we are having a little bit of trouble figuring out what to give we gave a lot of we gave a lot of suggestions last week about that we've already gone through a bit of a year and look at 2018 giving a bit of a thought about I remember that was the episode to a michael fisher where we talked about what our favorite devices of the year work but now for today.we there was a bit of an idea to do something of a secret santa which when this idea first came out i was like how are we gonna do okay so we're not necessarily going to be gifting each other in this episode I don't know I can't even imagine what the shipping costs would be to get to you out of the mail it's in the mail it's in the mail trying to get in on the control man yeah so what we thought of is uh there's gonna be like a Secret Santa type of debate thing so what we're kind of doing here here is we're matching a smartphone to somebody because if you were to get a Secret Santa if you to be a part of one of these traditions or one of these one of these Pursy one of these scenarios you would get the name of somebody that you have to get to know them a little bit in order to figure out what gift to get them of course they don't know that you're going to do that so you have to be kind of stealthy and sleuthy and figure out who they are and figure out what gift will be great for them unfortunately for us we don't really have the luxury of all that so what we have here is we're gonna do a bit of an intro of ourselves talking about ourselves for a little while non-phone related and then the other two people in this three-person chat are going to debate as to what phone would be best for that user we're going to figure out what secrets had a gift smart phone would be best for that so 30 seconds I'm gonna go ahead and figure out everybody just get like a timer up here so do do so we're gonna do 30 seconds we can put that on the clock opens a lot of gaps you're talking about yourself what not relating to phones though dude right that card man okay isn't it that that's that's one of my biggest existential fears that I cannot describe myself without saying phone I [Laughter] okay I'm not even gonna get into this I was gonna make us I was gonna make a self-deprecating joke but I think I've done that on this show alright we're going to just make sure my camera is working okay Adam you're gonna go first I have 30 seconds on the clock and I'm gonna go ahead and just I'm not gonna be like stop but like I'm gonna let you know yeah that's it I'm not gonna say 30s this is not a debate we're not gonna treat it like that but Adam it's perfect like I said earlier this is a perfect time for us to get to know you and this is a great place to do it so 30 seconds on the clock and I'm gonna go ahead and hit go right now I'm 19 I'm a computer science student I spend about 4 hours of public transport daily I go out quite a lot like the friends and stuff I play a lot of games made me counter-strike but so not much of a mobile gamer I like tinkering with my devices so like watches and stuff I like music I like like watching movies the bed or TV shows whatever so that was about all right that was about 30 seconds you went 22 seconds before you said the word device so that sounds pretty good this is an awesome like social experiment all right TK you're first - yeah yeah you actually got 30 seconds to think of a phone or a gift or something that would match the 19 year old at 19 I I was already blown away the moment you said that at the beginning of those 30 seconds all right just make sure I was working again one sec no no yet the cameras yep there we go so oh I did it again sorry when any cancer go for it okay I'm gonna hit go right now okay so what I would probably recommend it just from based what I know about Adam so I Anna and I we've talked before we've hung out before so I kind of have a we've met before so for me I would probably say if I have to make a recommendation would be the me mix three and specifically the me mix three in green not in blue in green and I think that would be a great device that he could not only use it for great pictures you know good battery quick charging wireless charging but all the specification that I think it would definitely fit into his lifestyle of what he likes to do on his devices and you know he can also tinker with it later when he's done you know enjoying the original operating system all right cool so that would be 30 I have 30 seconds on the clock so given what I think would be a great phone and I'm gonna go start that right yeah oh it didn't even I missed a button guys sorry I'm gonna start right now I am going to do the thing that I think most gifts do which is a complete like it's not the thing you're supposed to do I'm gonna I'm going to inject some of my experience into your gift so it is mostly about you but it's also a little bit about me you said that you're not much of a mobile gamer so I would actually try to introduce you to the world of mobile gaming while still fulfilling the rest of what you set so something like the razor phone to actually will probably be one of my one of my main gifts to give that way you have all the media that you want and you also have the ability to try out mobile gaming and on my end of being something you're really into okay so there we go so we have about a minute now to be able to talk about to be able to talk about these choices and what what they would like we think and I can basically debate at this point yeah that's essentially I was gonna say this is the point where yeah but start talking especially okay so so I like the approach I like the the razor phone that's a good touch you're right it's a great gaming phone I love the aesthetics of it but I the way I looked at it from the sense of what we what we're looking for sex I'm all round or right the the me makes a great phone from the sense of design you had an opportunity to play with that one and I got a chance that that's one of the only experiences I've seen and hopefully I'll get mine next week but the overall experience I think that mimics would provide is just a tinkerer experience and I think the razor phone although a great gaming phone you could still get a great experience out of the Munich's especially because of the hardware and software combination that you get out of it and what I found so interesting though is that you said the me makes three which is a phone that's not widely available and I was like that something that that is neat specific so the reason why I said that one is the other reason is that one's actually coming out next month from what I understand in in the EU and it just started actually release it was released in Hong Kong and yeah that's true the into the EU market and the tinkering stuff I can definitely support you there because yeah me you I or yeah you I anything like that mmm-hmm so a lot of tinkering there I guess I was thinking of tinkering more on the surface level and thinking gank Nova and everything like that but of course gaming is what I wanted to like inject into it so alright so that would really winner yeah I think you would definitely with the gaming but it depends on what I Adam likes really yeah yeah you can now this is I hate to break it to both of you but I actually have a mix and I will admit I much prefer the two over the razor foam - because the razor phone twos battery were great I I'm the camera is not that good however the razor phone - is a really good choice because I have been enjoying that specifically for watching Netflix so I have the mix 2's which I use my daily driver and I'm gonna get home because if I only have one as a daily driver because I'm spending so long commuting I do need the longer battery I can't I can't fault you once so so that makes three yeah yeah it being basically yes I can't fault you I can't fault you for that at all because I was actually thrown I already had my my my answer in mind and then one TK said Munich's three hours I crap a full screen also I mean I can't deny that slider phone that's just it's just a joy to just snap that thing back and forth alright cool all right so juice is going to take care of the timing for us so he'll just he'll just let us know when the time is up so I'm not about hitting it or any more so what we're gonna do then is ahead to a we have 30 seconds on the chat clock let's call it 30 seconds tell us about yourself TK okay I'm a dad and I I love running I love sports activities outdoors I love spending time with my family I love catching nature in any way either be it in person or through other mediums I love things that are functional in life I love things that have dual purpose I don't I don't like things just to be good for one thing if it's gonna be good for me it has to do multiple things and it could be something I can carry with me all the time so I try to have I try to enjoy life as much as I can behind the screen and in front of in front of a screen and behind the screen that's the best way to describe it mmm okay so that's time so I'm I'm up for the first response okay I think that I would actually think of the eye had Pro 2018 because it's sort of the now you said you love to capture life and it may not be the most it may not be the most the best way of capturing life with a tablet on the camera on the back of the iPad bro but it would be one of the best ways of experiencing the pictures that you have already gotten of nature of your kids of your family on the iPad pro which is one of its main functions but it's also just a it's a sleek device that I think you would be able to throw into any bag that you can bring with you it may not be as portable as a phone but it's also invaluable compared to a phone because it gives you that big canvas and the performance that you might need in order to connect all the parts of your life together I think that would be my 30 so I mean I know you TK and I know that you just like having things work while also you know you like Android so I would probably actually got the Samsung Galaxy S 9 plus simply because if you have a family it's got a great camera batteries decent it has multi different features it's a it's kind of ridiculous and I think just in general for your use case it's good enough and open enough that you can modify it and decently do what you want with it while also just having it work having it there for like taking nature pictures whatever being with your family take pictures of them going on the internet doing research looking up anything you need at any given time so I'd say yes I'm close alright so we have our crosstalk time right now you meant you mentioned about getting into Android and customizing and all that stuff but on on the iPad pro you have things like Cydia oh wait but yeah the I think that I think that the iPad pro personally is more about like the consumers that the just consuming the content that he might already have all of the tools that it needs in order to capture nature in order to capture I was sort of working under that I don't really like assuming but I would I would think that he already has a camera to be able to take pictures of his kids and of nature and whatnot and then a place to be able to consume all of that media to enjoy it but also to be able to edit it on the fly without having to rely on a very small screen now this the reason I always think about the iPad pro okay that's actually pretty fair but I'm mention something about one like being a dyke the port of of having the s9 + as a phone because it's got a big enough screen for consuming content and stuff and you can do basic video editing on like on ds9 plus I don't imagine TK would really want to be doing like massive video editing of this phone so I figured whatever there is probably good enough I I do agree with your points though I do you see where you're coming from but I think the s9 + would probably be better or the s10 plus whatever Lightroom iOS that's all I'm saying that's true that's true they are getting at first but yeah so is it my time to come back - to answer both of you now go for so my first answer my second answer ah there we go this is we're picking things you have already I'm not trying to copy Adam I'm not trying to guy I don't know when you is hype at Pro 2018 so that one I definitely would love to be able to play with if I have to choose between the two I will always favor portability for from the sense of it so - to your point Josh you're right I would for me to take pictures like the really best pictures I can take with me would be from the a7 3 that's just an amazing camera and it's great camera but there's the lack of portability right whenever I'm around with my family we're out in nature I'd love to take my big camera but at nine times out of 10 I end up taking the smartphone so for the sake of not looking you know how you doing and we've all seen that I probably would give it to Adam on on the on the s9 plus it's definitely one of my top top phones of 2018 if I had to put like at the top three this would be the number three spot for me it's a very nice solid performer and runs 1ui beta so definitely a winner in my book which is surprising me is what I'm doing right now I'm updating on you I know okay cool all right cool so I'm officially over - and but perfectly fine like I said I go a little bit outside of the room a little bit I inject myself in it a little bit we got it we got it textbook narcissist right it's totally alright so 30 seconds on the clock for myself when this is great I have 30 seconds to talk about myself after I just called myself a textbook narcissist okay so okay so I am a tea drinker first and foremost it's probably it's probably the thing I do the most throughout the day I always have a bottle of money like the one I'm going to show right now I'm always drinking tea I'm always trying to stay healthy health is very important to me as a type 2 diabetic I'm always trying to make sure that I stay as healthy as possible but it's also a mental thing for me as well one thing that I want to do in 2019 is try and get back to things like meditation and to get back in some mindfulness I sound like a typical California hippie right now but that's really where my mind is so health and wellness or big things for me have a go okay and this is great because I'm saying those things and normally for somebody to hear that they would look at health and wellness products but I'm saying and knowing you have to look at devices and tech Adam you want to take first or you want so it goes after now I'm mainly going this is also kind of influenced pace of me talking to you for the last hour being the factor that's the first time I have I would kind of say the Razr like for in terms of like being able for recreational activities like because obviously and kind of like just recreation and being happy I feel like for media consumption than gaming that the Razr phone is a perfect phone it doesn't sound like you're much of a photographer from your phone ID I could be entirely wrong but yeah I just think for media consumption and such I think the Rays are so I'm just yeah cool I can't respond you know this would be my part so so from fought from from talking to Josh from seeing Josh a few times I realized one of the main things that I think you would definitely appreciate and the reason behind that is because I think this will fit your your life independent regardless which way you go I would say is the Garmin Phoenix five who as smart weights basically yeah yeah not yet so my thing would be a SmartWatch were basically an accessory to your your lifestyle something that can be augmenting your wanting to go out do exercise being mindful of where you are tracking your activities being able to help you just get all your information and the beauty about it is it's independent so it means it doesn't really do rely on a smartphone so you could be an Android and iOS iPad even I think this would work great for you and I think it would be a nice little accessory to keep you know something to switch around from the other smartwatches that you use throughout the year all right crosstalk time might be a thing would really just beat a SmartWatch I think is good but I mean like it's good for like fitness that was what I was trying to go for yeah yeah but the one thing I would say is it doesn't have many uses its side of that like it's not like a universal product like when I was going with you I was thinking well yeah the iPad would be great but I'm also thinking from the sensors but you also need a phone are like it needs more kind of functionalities yes no exactly it so I went with the so it's hard to get recommend the phone for Josh because Josh gets to play with a lot of phones right it's kind of like the guy that has all the all the toys you can't really put a phone there so I felt the the health angle that I was trying to go with was something that would work just something to help him augment now Garmin makes great watches there's a lot of other accessories that are on the market also that would help did and so on so I think the approach to augment any existing phone he may choose to be with so in a way both of our gifts would kind of make a perfect example for him that's that's the other reason why I kind of went with the watch you know if he decides to go with both he'll be happy now watch him pull out a Garmin and uh if your turns out you know what I have to say like I wish I could but I've actually never tried a Garmin I really have not you gotta talk to Jaime talk to Jaime he could not talk enough about that stuff are you kidding okay what's gonna happen is if ever there's a garment in the in them he's going to just grab it and say mine yeah so yes but I okay for the sheer fact that it's it's absolutely new to me then I would pick the garment I don't know what capabilities it has in terms of mindfulness and wellness but I do agree with you Adam that even in there's this first now we did just meet and you are not entirely wrong that clearly gaming is something I enjoy and it's something that I do to decompress you're absolutely right with that so the razor phone to is a phone that I what's funny is it took me a long time to review it because I kept playing with it I think I could never actually use it as an actual phone because I kept there was just this absolute bliss and just playing games on it so you're absolutely right there um you also also tapped into a new thing with me that I am a vlogger so I try to have devices in order to take pictures into then to shoot video and whatnot but if my phone is not amazing at it like the razor front to is that then of course you're right I do plenty of other devices that will help me all of that including the camping right now I'm using the g5 for as a webcam for crying out loud so there you go it's just the camp link that I'm that that's keeps bugging out right now it's bugging out even more right now i but in it yeah i think that the garment is definitely like between the two it makes the most sense for what I said in the 30 seconds but also for the fact that I've actually never tried one before so I'd be really exciting to do all right cool so this was this was a nice experiment yeah yeah yeah we know a little bit more about your you know your co-host that's good yeah we got you know this was this oh I did pick one of yours it was the garment yeah especially for the associate for the fact that it's absolutely new to me I think the garment would be amazing um especially for the the health stuff finding it work great with GPS tracking and Matt are you offline and it just they've been knocking it out they make really great hardware yeah I'm always looking for other I'm always looking for new like health products and whatnot yeah there you go Jill said yeah just because it did sound like you know what you know what actually makes the perfect sense I'm just gonna shout this out real quick cuz I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to talk about this on the show this ring right here the aura ring I don't know if you've ever heard of it but it's a sleep tracking smart ring so like if you wanted the people on it if you wanted a product that actually encapsulates Josh Arikara and then that show it's this right I feel like I'm even I mean yeah it's a great product I'm gonna do a video on it at some point but I don't know when I'll be able to do that cuz the tracking takes weeks to establish a baseline and then you can figure out how it works after that but in any case I hope everybody is staying as healthy as possible in this holiday season thank you so much for doing this little secret santa thing with us it's interesting because we had every form of Secret Santa it'll be oh that's my best friend I know what to get them and all the who the hell is this person you're Stute for a 19 year old you're astute you know you're able to use a few things about me and it made a lot of sense alright cool well before we get out of here I want to say Merry Christmas to all of you Merry Christmas to all of our viewers and listeners yeah yeah I hope everybody has a great one Jules merry Christmas to you as well I know you're scrolling around over there right now but I know you can hear so Merry Christmas to everybody and on that holiday notes let's see if my camera's not going to freeze while they do the 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right before the new year oh there you go Mike my camera did for you let me just do what you said before we up here there we go I gotta say I love the freeze frames I'm gonna be looking over this video at one point when we had it with you next to each other one frozen and then the second one froze gold right there I'm gonna get tweets from everybody the derpy faces I've been making this entire time well hopefully I'll be able to fix it for the next episode but until the next episode which will be our year-end extravaganza have a safe and merry week no matter what you choose to celebrate coming up we'll talk again soon thank you so much for watching and Cheers everybody see you on the next year