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the air but yeah we are now good morning good afternoon good evening everybody and welcome to talk it now live episode number 18 we managed to get live this is our first attempt so thank you very much google for allowing us to do that I am ende hug managing editor of pocketnow.com and I am joined today by mr. Hyman Rivera multimedia manager all the way from Honduras hi Jaime morning good afternoon good evening and great coffee to everybody how are you today I'm doing great you're like a million bucks that is awesome and also joining us from Utah mr. Jill Levi senior editor Joe same question how are you today welcome to the show today I'm doing well by a caffeine is right there for Jaime the rock star that looks the Delphic sounds like a beer can here in Europe seriously what is that that looks like a freaking fire extinguisher hahaha that's caffeine but cold and no I'm not doing a product endorsement kids home you'll regret it I'd love to say Joe give me your sponsor man so ladies and gents right here it's not recommended for children pregnant or nursing women or people who have any kind of intelligence oh there you go Oh sensitive caffeine that's what that said ladies and gents we decided to do things a little bit differently today just to shake things up we have not yet publicized the link to this hangout but we are broadcasting so just a couple of logistics mentions if you have a question on youtube or on the pocket now boast please post it as usual with all caps I will try to read as many questions as i can and my colleagues as well as I will try to do our best to answer and with this I'm going to publicize the link right now on google+ and it's out as well as on facebook and it's out and as well as on twitter and it's out and people should start joining there's the topic for today is google edition phones quick Advani one minute one minute conclusions or ideas Jaime what do you think of them I think they're hot I think they're an excellent idea that steak years to happen and then finally is happening I don't know I don't know it took Google so long seriously Joe you know this goes back to what we kind of alluded to a long time ago wouldn't it be nice if you could get a device and choose the rom that you want it to run on it and today we're realizing that so called it okay let me do my due diligence and mute everybody who is not muted everybody please if we are not talking to you please mute your microphones and hopefully we can avoid energy Thank You Vanessa and with that I'm gonna I'm gonna turn a show flow over to Jaime please well I do the comment thing and everything hey joe newman stop showing me your bed man you have no idea how i wish i would be in bed right now and i was going to talk to joe newman but apparently he's is he available or not I can see him in the corner of the thumbnail but i'm not sure if he can't see or hear us yeah his arms right there man good name but that's what that's what happens when you're slow so let's talk to mr. sorry oh there you are okay so exactly why are you not facing the computer uh I was just doing some of my other gear in here so I was gonna ask you ask you is the toilet there haha yes all right we're getting some feedback here but anyway so let's start off with you how are you worried from are from the UK and I'm fine thank you no I'm little is 999 okay so can I ask you any good questions or you're only interested in my phone I have an android phone this is history anywhere in there okay so the question today is what do you think a family are charged you like the lengthen you know I just got it must have been that bin just just one second second its buses all she wants you to lower the volume on computer because we have verbal feedback here yeah yeah there we go hurry still but someone better um I think new edition smartphones are good ideas but I think they should make more budget edition budget efficient meaning you want them to be there either yeah essentially like a pen seven hurdles for a phone that you're gonna have for about two years and then switch to a new one essentially probably two years time you know I have to I have to agree with that I honestly probably the only thing that I don't having to pay so much money money very seriously I don't know or even you sell them as a contract now we know why you have to come to tablet collections um not potentially okay okay anyways any questions from years of you um I was just wondering what's the best like Android wrong because I have the sand you more 10.1 rs3 at the moment I don't know it's just curious which one we both knew Joe you're the expert there by Roy yeah I am running the RC 3 on my Nexus 4 so I am a big fan of that paranoid is another really good one and if you like pink unicorns aokp ok ok cool any other questions no thank you ok it's a pleasure to move you from the UK you know you know the drill I'm now joined but thank you fine oh man I had this terrible echo Joe please if anyone's in the toilet seriously it goes our fun it's part of the technology is part of the experience I haven't seen on a prom on before so why don't you go ahead and chime in tell us where you're from and what you think about the google edition phones and a kind of a follow of the high my settle what about google edition tablets yea or nay yeah you guys can hear me yes all right back so talking about Google edition phones to me they're just a stupid idea because I'm Nexus 4 is not the greatest phone ever or not the worst phone ever and its price just perfectly for a developer or just a regular consumer but outright six hundred dollars to seven hundred dollars just for a vanilla Android to me is just crazy yeah that's what I have to say about that and about tablets same deal they're gonna be out right among you sleep over price and then they're just gonna flop after a while after when the google actually announces their new nexus products because this is just a gimmick for the OEM and Google just to sell more product and get more Android out to the markets to compete with apple and maybe even windows phone so I said about that ok so my my comments on that I'm comparing prices we're looking right now at the only to google edition phones Nexus aside as being the two top of the line phones the pricing that we're that we've seen you know it's they're not in the play store yet but the the pricing that's announced has been essentially the price of the devices if you were to get them off contract so they are unsubsidized and they're going for not necessarily the cost of the device but cost plus a reasonable markup because you know people have to have profit to make things worth building I guess so good way to put it maybe if you think about in Joe I mean in the United States we don't like the idea but in Europe that's you know that's what people do they pay for phones yes yes sir exactly part of the disconnect I believe is the nexus devices Google is putting out there not necessarily subsidizing them but they are selling them very close to their own cost so you're looking at a nexus for running for three hundred fifty dollars u.s. versus an HTC One running for six hundred dollars so yeah there's there's a relatively large difference there but I believe that's because HTC is still taking their profits so that they can stay in business my 2 bits but when one is the google edition samsung galaxy s4 and then add vanilla Android but doesn't it still have all like the features of the s4 like the barometer the thermometer sounds over there yeah sounds good by their own OS can't handle hey I think Joey do you think I don't think so I haven't seen anything official from either side on that but to the best of my knowledge all of the advanced Samsung utilities smart stay and whatnot those are all a function of the launcher and even a bit more than that it goes deeper into the version of Android that they've put together those are not and I I'll eat Tony's hat if I have to I don't believe those are going to be included in the vanilla addition the google edition because they're not part of android they're part of what Samsung built on top of Android so although this the sensors are still there developers can still develop to them through a pis and whatnot I know when you're not going to have any of the advanced features that come with a samsung edition of the the galaxy s4 that may be a big deal if you're a fan of those things or it might not if if you're not a fan and to some people that's just overhead and bloat and looking at what samsung said recently about how their phones are the memory the storage on their phones is being eaten up half of it by their own roms and their own stuff yeah it's not worth it to me to have all that space eaten up by stuff that I may not use yeah because Joe Joe in and out of thumb if you don't mind me interrupting you be the first person is fine I mean I think he's flushing the toilet somebody was somebody was okay so you're the first person that we hear that saying that you don't like the Google edition idea so tell us something what phone do you have I have the s2 and i'm planning to get the nexus 4 okay their water all she looks away the next book nexus products gonna be okay so if Google let's just assume let's switch the idea here what if google would charge you a hundred dollars to make your galaxy s2 an official google edition smartphone would you pay for that instead I pay Google a hundred dollars to make my phone and google edition yeah officially meaning your phone is going to get all the updates immediately and everything you know when you would you be willing instead of buying a six-hundred-dollar phone would you be willing to pay a hundred dollars or fifty dollars or something would you be paid willing to pay for an official rom for your phone what that I will because healthy be more reasonable yeah because uh I would because it's all about the debate about how much something usually costs like you're not going to go for something you're on a tight budget you're not going to go for something that what you like and it's like 600-700 and if I had a phone that I can give to google for like a hundred fifty bucks just to turn to official google product i totally would but why would you do that when you have cyanogenmod that's true you to side of jamaat but some of the I don't a scientist marra's pretty good to me but I ha I put cyanogen mod online but he keeps on crashing on my phone so don't use the night please use playful verge even our see it 3a gonna have it still crashes on me I put the IRC for point-to-point to Virgil on my android on my phone it still crashes for some odd reason ok back to you Joe I you know I love hearing the other side of the debate by now I think everyone knows my thoughts on it so thank you on a pond for for sharing that with us if you have any any way you want us to contact you or people can talk to you and debate your side of things or you on twitter or google+ yeah i'm on twitter is right on his name a DNA th 10 and the camera is now locked on you and facebook and google+ with my name right there well fabulous thank you for coming on the show and for sharing your thoughts and opinions with us I if you want to go ahead and follow along go ahead and log out of this and follow us over at pocketnow.com where you can watch the rest of the show online and that will free up a spot for the next person and who is going to be picking the next one I will be the one picking but before that i have a question specifically for you Joe of course hi makin you can always answer or complete Joe's answer it's a question which it's it's interesting for many many people and it's also interesting to me so the question goes like this what is the difference between a google edition smartphone and a nexus okay that line is very very blurred or will become blurred on the twenty sixth of June a Nexus device particularly is contracted between Google and some third-party manufacturer thats HTC or LG or Samsung to build a device to google specifications to highlight and show off everything that the OS can do it also shows off the stock android user interface and does so at a price point that is relatively affordable you have to do it as an unlocked version to be able to get out to people so you don't have to have a contract you don't have to have even a cellular carrier to be able to use one of these decide from that Joe what makes a nexus a nexus is it just the pure vanilla stock Android experience or or is it something else because of course yeah there are contracts between Google and OEMs for subsidizing and pushing the Nexus devices at a lower price point but if we take that apart and look at the consumer and user experience perspective is there a difference between say the nexus 4 and the s4 Google edition yeah so that gets to the second half of your first question and and segues into it really well from an end-user perspective these Google Experience devices may as well be a nexus they're going to have the same user interface the same user experience the same purchasing route since they're both being made available through the Play Store as a Nexus device the differences are going to be primarily one is price because we're not going to have google offer it at or near cost and the second and this is what really really is exciting to me you're not limited to Google's view of where the hardware should go so the software is going to be the unifying thing between all of them but if you go for for example the galaxy s4 Google edition you've got a removable battery and you've got an SD card slot that you can pop in there which kind of breaks the way that Google is trying to push the hardware you're paying a premium for that marklar you also get an IR blaster as well I mean yes there are but you will probably not be able to use true but okay so you're getting LTE connectivity that you don't get on the nexus 2 so you're getting the arra blaster you're getting the removal batter you're getting expandable storage so it's like if they're making these the high-end Nexus devices meaning you can buy the nexus 4 and that's like your entry-level non-expandable pretty phone but then they have and you notice the tears you get the HTC One which ironically in my opinion should be more expensive than the s4 is actually cheaper than the s4 you get the IR blaster 32 gigs and you get you know every you know the aluminum and everything and then a better display and then you get the s4 which gives you expandable everything so you get a choice you get three different products that you could consider to be the mid-tier and then the high-end boat before the next question which will go to high may a follow-up question actually two questions quick yes or no Joe and i'ma do you think that at this moment we have three Nexus devices out there and hope we will have four by the end of October uh from a consumer perspective I think that's going to be the perception yes I man from june twenty-fourth is gonna say yeah that's the perception but more devices will depend on what jun 24 says okay and quickly next question goes to hi mate do you think Apple would come out with an with AE tablet having calling functionality no yeah ok that was a quick for sure i'm not gonna happen they've could have done a large ipod 10 years ago and they chose to look for the intelligent way that you would carry a music player ok thank you then let us move on i have never spoken to mr Davey Tassie hello hi where are you from I am from New York you're from New York one island do you have any specific questions or just you want to talk about Google edition yeah kind of would like to talk about the goal addition because I'm gonna think about getting it I'm thinking about gangs of one for HTC One so I am it is my understanding that you do not have the HTC One at the moment I have 2s for actually at the moon oh then this is an interesting question why don't you ps4 google edition everything about the s4 i would say like just touch with that's the only problem just touch with google edition google edition styling google edition with samsung yes it has the place the 650 price point but then like you see the HTC one with 500 i mean i could sell this on ebay I'll go get it for like 650 and use that to get the east to see one okay a little bit of devil's advocate but with the HTC One you will not get the removable battery and you will not get the expansion slot for micro SD this is that that's not that's not why yeah that's not why I brought this for is because the reason why i did not get HTC One when when I didn't even know about the audition was I didn't like census five I really did not like that's fine it just looked too I don't know just look too weird and lengthy was a waste of a home screen and then the animation from like going to the app drawer like you just three or four when I could just see oh no i like i like how I have my nova launcher it looks like stock android on it cuz i just go home but I mean I like the physical home button but I'm gonna like the build quality I'm not a big fan of five inch I like the 4.7 inch I'm gonna give you props David I mean seriously to pay for a galaxy s4 and to and to add another launcher to it says a lot of that I'm sorry but I must go go ahead I'm sorry no I could not stand touch you is from the moment I thought I also like earlier this year I had the tab 7 points and song yeah and I won that a bingo night and I'm just like oh do you know TouchWiz before playing 4.1 for the first time okay let me try it I did not like it after probably like five minutes because it was so laggy in touch with she's just you know leave it I I by no means I want to tell you what to buy or to imply or two I don't know to him no I just have a question it will probably you that you're hearing this from somebody who is using both the s4 and the one as n fibers you will give up it will give up a good good camera for a mediocre camera camera camera yeah but I play was just a 13-megapixel a lot I really did but i think that worth it it's the dual speakers in the front the build quality that's awesome yeah Jules be win7 that low light I mean that low you still get the low light capabilities and sometimes with the 13 megapixels I was like playing with it I still saw some grain yup yup and sending the pictures even on 13-megapixel so I wasn't kind of satisfied with that but you know I'm not really cameras and deportment this is how do you do for me okay I just wanted to get your opinion to share exactly why you want to switch which is good i heard up a lot of people switching from the one to the s for but it would be actually for the first person I'm talking to you the switches from the s for two to the one do you have any other questions or any other topics you want to talk about the real quick and I'm probably going out of context with this but now that the Moto X phone is coming out hahaha later this year I want your opinion on that both any anyone well I am I am as excited as I could be even though Motorola is not among my favorite OEMs not because I have anything against motorola it's because of my geographical location and Marilla is not that present in in Europe and in this part of Europe but the more players out there the better and with with all the rumors which we're hearing about the X phone with the customization options and with their close relationship with Google I wouldn't be surprised to to see a sixth Nexus as in the nexus 4 maybe Nexus 5 the s4 Google edition the HTC One relations maybe the motorola x google edition that would be an awesome but but Joe Jaime what do you think in all honesty okay so i'll show you something and actually I'm gonna write an editorial today of why I went so crazy over getting this review you this is the atrix HD yeah okay so there is a reason why I wanted to spell I've owned 10 Motorola phones and that i grew up with a motorola that had excellent call quality which this phone has I grew up with a motorola that had sturdy design which this phone has I grew up with a motorola that had excellent display technology and everything this phone has a problem of this phone is their implementation of android though every every single problem that exists with this phone is the way that android was implemented so if you get motorola out of the way of the software experience I'll be honest with you I want a motorola x I do yes I really i am on the list and you know what one of the biggest reasons why is because i like the fact that this thing is waterproof no I like that I run a lot I do i do a lot of working out and I like to have a phone that I have to worry about trashing over my daily lifestyle I want to be able to be in the shower and get an email to be able to look at it without wait until I get out of the shower by the way that's a spoiler alert for the Otori allah they um oh yes I do want a moto x because i assume you know starting with the call quality of Motorola phones it's just it i may just what that as a maid and Joe you you you review the eight which one was it the droid razr a peek uh yeah I've reviewed a couple razors and I still have a droid bionic sitting over on my on my shelf in the corner they just asked for the razorback ironically from a long time ago so I don't have that one anymore the thing that really strikes me about the motor all is just to build quality and that their willingness to to go away from plastic and two more exotic especially back yeah and Kevlar is I love those back pieces it's amazing it feels good it doesn't attract fingerprints it's not slippery it's durable I haven't been able to scratch that thing it's great and then throwing in the huge batteries on their max editions that shows us that we we don't have to sacrifice how long we can run a device with thickness has it snowed speaking of the the razr maxx versus the razor there are no fikr once you factor in the camera bump it's it's just amazing the call quality is great I've got to go along with jaime and say i'm not a fan of motoblur they're making progress to lighten it up to make it look less less heavy but you know the recent additions I I kind of like I would love to have a google edition razr maxx RAZR MAXX HD that'll be it beautiful yeah i mean like i had my first moto device was the motorola droid the first one and i was on because i was on verizon before now i'm on AT&T cuz i I don't like Verizon that much anymore that was my first device and I loved we make okay my first motorola device was the motorola be 16 no wait a second is the smart tech how did I remember but to just remember the v60 it was made you had an aluminum shell it hadn't replaceable a little bit of shells it was a beautiful phone altogether and I missed that Motorola I want that design right yeah I want to go back to Motorola myself so yeah I'm just waiting for that to David will have to end this do you have any any final thoughts I know but um had something but no okay then then how about you tell everybody where they can find you on social networks actually one thing you remembered sure go on yes it's the only bad thing about the HTC One a button placement no that's now you'll get no home button a home put on the right side is annoying mark my words you will not have a problem with the home button on the right side you will more often find yourself pushing the USB port on the bottom because you'll be mistaking it for the power button at the top that's gonna be your main problems we're kidding well where can we find you on twitter die dia n 0 RK dine or awesome thank you very much for dropping by and the hope to talk to you again soon thank you have a good day big hear that I Oh have I got your turn please okay let me talk to mr. Obama's lang set yellow you hear me hello so first and regarding the price point uncool away and that is here the HTC One toast like eight hundred and fifty dollars okay so 650s to me isn't much so I don't have any problem to death but the question is have an option do you lower your volume a little bit so that I don't get any feedback for here okay okay so um the question is are you in Norway gonna get the option of being able to buy look up because in icade buy boniva deal is something on the grill a store anybody had time to become an act like if I'm the United States give it to my forward and then then it either they import it to Miami it's crazy probably is there any chance he can blood in some headphones because we have terrible terrible echo and I cannot even understand hymas words we can just do a five second okay one so while he's out you're saying that your phones come imported through Miami yeah I have our Miami up I needed him okay okay yeah why is everybody flushing the toilet today come on it's just one of those days man get regular seats look at this is a regular seat I can't flush anything from here so yeah I have a my I have a Miami address and it's like if I would live in the United States everything ships there and then these people just notify me I have a phone I have this I have that and then you know they either import it through shipping or through the air depending on what I want to pay for Thomas I'm sorry I'm sorry back to you but meanwhile I most probably muted you so please on you ok I'm back there man enough yeah much better than much yes great I probably won't have the opportunity to get a list see one google edition here I read the piece of wood you guys released it but it somo talked about maybe HTC would release wrong so you could install on your current HTC One driver you that for me that would be great but the thing I always talk about this might concern about them markwest ultrapixel camera camera will we support in stock Android for optimization that ACS potato sense in the test remove because I've read somewhere that people have rooted and installed custom rom and really a decrease in camera quality well not necessarily I'm gonna jump in real quick and I don't want to step on hi my stairs but I think I'm the one that uses the HTC One has daily driver among the three of us and I can tell you this much while I don't see any decrease in image quality because basically the sensor the lens and everything is the same you will most probably use functionalities like Zoe's and highlights and some of the effects which are still proprietary to HTC's Sense and HTC's camera application okay amia no can correct me on a theoretical level no and the way it works is most likely Google is not going to delay their update process for these phones just to wait for HTC to optimize the software in order to comply you know with everything so yeah most likely you're getting a bare-bones no sense no image well it's a image sense is a chip right it's not really software implementations but yeah you'll most likely not get any of the features most likely just what the hardware is capable of doing it so from a more theoretical perspective anytime you have hardware that you want software to talk to you have to do that through a driver you may also have firmware that lives on that hardware and once you get everybody talking together it's beautiful so the hardware the camera itself isn't going to change the firmware on that camera chip probably isn't going to change the camera application itself is going to be the stock camera but that also includes some of the driver if you if you're going with the whole software driver and and hardware model of development the drivers kind of built into the camera software itself they're going to have to have modifications in there to be able to talk to the physical hardware as if it were a driver so how extensive that's going to go to bring forward all of the HTC advancements and and whatnot has yet to be seen but you're going to have camera support it's going to look good and probably I'm going to go out on a limb and say probably as good as it would have if you were running the stock HTC experience rather than the Google Experience now don't Joe one question I mean what do you think do you think that this is going to be another nexus s you know scenario because it just pisses people off i mean the nexus s is the last Nexus device to get Android updates for some specific reason that I don't understand so do you think that galaxy nexus in the nexus 4 gonna get the updates first and then the s4 and the HTC One are gonna be next just because things happen uh yes to answer very succinctly because there's different hardware involved in those devices you're going to have a delay in getting those roms to market just as you have delays in I in getting the Galaxy Nexus roms versus the Nexus 4 on those to happen relatively quickly together but the Galaxy Nexus always takes a backseat even if it's just an hour or a day or a week the older those devices are the longer that delay is going to be until eventually they just drop off to the nexus s case that's not because they can't it's because Google feels that that hardware isn't fast enough anymore to run the current version of Android so they're just not supporting that when we're talking about this new stuff it's super high-end yeah there's going to be a delay so let's use key lime pie as an example key lime pie is going to be released it's probably going to come out on new hardware and then either that day or within a couple weeks it will start to trickle out for the next version down and that other stuff will start coming in after that and we'll have full saturation within probably a month month and a half of all the currently supported devices running the current rom because of the camera because of the hardware because of the other differences in hardware of the google edition devices they will and rightly so I believe be delayed in getting the updates but not anywhere near as delayed as they would if you were getting it through a carrier update or even directly from the manufacturer oh true go that that that is a good point now do you have any other questions thoughts no that was oh thank you that's a pleasure meeting you can we find you on twitter or google+ or anything yeah google+ that's not really just your name yeah just my name ok well it's a pleasure meeting you man have a good one yeah have a good weekend too usually before I hand over to jail and since it was hi mr. and I have a question for Jaime Jaime what is your opinion on HTC's chances for making a new Nexus device or do you think that the LG Nexus 5 rumors are legit oh that's a good one uh you know LG is being a very bold company because they're producing very cheap hardware um cheap or inexpensive inexpensive inexpensive um LG doesn't happen ok so LG so here's the problem let's say let's not talk about HTC let's talk about Google which are the two manufacturers that are more convenient to google to build their phone and not have any supply chain issues manufacturing issues etc honestly LG and Samsung you know LG makes their own displays Sampson makes their own displays um LG makes a lot of the modules or they they partner a lot with toshiba um so I do and then Sampson makes everything you know so the problem the problem with HTC is you know the problem but still we you know we have the the problems with the LG Nexus or with their launch so you know I honestly see Google wanting to go back to Samson just because of what happened with LG but yeah I don't think that they're gonna choose HTC unless HTC becomes really aggressive about it this is I believe that's going to be more on HTC's turf and being able to step up their game than anything else because yes HTC is building in my opinion the best Android hardware and then we could have motorola which would build just as good hardware as well so i don't know thank you amy jo please take the floor i still wonder why we don't have a motorola device from google I mean that we should have had right away yeah something else that surprises me HTC's having a hard time keeping up with demand for the HTC one HTC edition and now we're opening that up to google and all the people who are going to want a nexus experience i I'm worried that their supply chain and their manufacturing processes haven't improved enough and we're going to end up with another nexus 4 experience where you've got a preorder it and wait and wait and wait and wait that's that but that's not a bad move Joe actually I mean it's very different if i come to my display manufacturer and tell him that i want a million displays than if i tell that i want five he's going to give me more priority if i tell them that i want five that that's absolutely true the the other side of that is if i go to my display manufacturers say I want a million and they say okay that's got a a three-month lead time and then I've got another month that it takes for me to receive those and build them into devices and then another month to get them into the hands of the people who ordered them by that point were the people who preordered are ready for the HTC to or whatever comes next let me follow up with just just this according to unofficial number so don't rely on them don't quote me HTC One sold 5 million units yeah this could be for this could be three regardless according to somewhat official numbers the nexus 4 made by LG sold three million in total and that was a google nexus device now the HTC One Google edition is not an official nexus device so I'd say it will sell much less than 3 million do you think that that 1,000,000 google edition in addition to those five million normal HTC editions would make such a big problem that we asked about production issues and supply chain I don't think so on on the contrary it's like for example you heard the news recently that Apple that it's it's sort of a change in topic but it's actually has to do with it you notice that the that the 4th generation ipod touch was recently pulled from from being sold and now they have a new fifth generation cheaper version of the ipod touch okay what really happened there is that Apple still had a stock of those devices in the factory and all they did was sell it at a cheaper price get rid of all their stock prepare another one for production and once they got rid of that they would punch in with the other so obviously the HTC one is not selling as well as every other phone out there so it is the smartest thing to do to for you to figure out how to get rid of that inventory instead of sticking with it so I would rather have two ways of getting rid of the inventory than sticking with it for beyond the period which is the reason why and this is these are some of the mistakes that I feel that HTC makes um like for example um and I don't know about this is the galaxy s3 still sold in the United States jokes you can get them their carriers who still have stock of them who are trying to move them so yes okay so here's the deal I mean I don't understand why the HTC I know that the HTC One X is still being sold on AT&T you know I would have made the move of of leaving the 1x as my mid tier phone and not come out with a desire 600 so that I could get rid of all the inventory that I have the HTC one of the 1x and keep the HTC one is the high-end phone what you do is you improve your supply chain and you get rid of the inventory that's really the purpose and they're not doing that they're bringing out that desire 600 which is cool but it's only adding more processes into their manufacturing and just complicating everything for them that's my point and to build on that this is what Apple does that there is no a current generation that has high high-end middle tier and low-end no I mean there's not an iphone 5 mini I me know if you want to get a cheap iPhone you get an iphone for an iphone 4s that gives longevity to their product and it also lets them focus on one device at a time so it puts all of their efforts into making one thing really really good rather than spreading it out amongst two or three or four different devices which they might even be doing two or three or four per carrier so the Apple way really makes a lot more sense so I like where you're going with that yeah and not only that but it also benefit please just with this please wrap it up because I'm seeing already comments of people complaining that we take up all the air now I'm kidding I'm kidding but okay so the cool thing about doing this as well as you don't feel you know if you bought an iphone for us and it's still being sold and supported you don't feel that your phone is old and you feel that your company is treating you better that's really the other thing I mean if the HTC two comes out next year I you know they always ask me the same question should I get the HTC One now is it already too late to get it why because in the next three months it's going to be obsolete and that's you know you get rid of this that's psychosis from customers n point I would agree with that point thank you let's move on quick quick questions these this time quick questions for me do you still use the phone bad know at the moment I'm run out of SIM cards I'm using the one and i'm using the s4 i'm not even using my iphone so yeah that should tell you a lot and another question it's not a question really nakia phablet spotted i call it a fake and with that full stop Joe your call all right let's uh let's go over to Connor kirkby where are you from and what are your thoughts on the Google edition devices oh my fault in the Google ition devices is I feel as if Google China push where the next device line and by giving over compares stock Android from say how the box so I don't think that's a good idea so girls in China abandon the Nexus lineup is the flexion device so they'll pull the rosemary on the earth so I just don't regret it at all so that brings up an interesting thought google has been doing Nexus devices kind of to show off hardware and what hardware can do and to make Android really look good what I'm well I'm kind of hearing from yourself and from others who have the same opinion is and just extrapolating from that could Google possibly be discontinuing the Nexus line and going over to Google edition devices that are leveraging the the top end devices from the other manufacturers and then utilizing those are we going to see a nexus 5 and have that be the last Nexus device that's available and just have it replaced with with Google edition what are your thoughts yeah I do find out the next five little bit last one because there's no need from the carry on with the next line up we've got over phone shipping with stock Android especially you know waste and there is also some no ha so yeah I mean what do you think on that do you think the the Nexus line was just a way to to showcase Android and Android hardware and now that we've got Oh am to have sufficient enough hardware that they don't need a nexus anymore well no I mean Google is that they are the inexpensive company and I like that about Google except for google glass you know it's not quite sure they've got fiber they you know they did the Nexus 7 they've always tried to push the line and to make the most affordable high-end hardware available to everyone and I like that mentality and you know Sindar back I was very clear and 11 the Nexus program is not going away it is staying it has a purpose and it's not really there you know it's not really there to compete it's there to force you know the rest of the OEMs to either lower their price or step up their game because we were seeing a lot of stagnation before the nexus one you guys remember that mhm guys remember how we were getting full of of android launchers and and you know the HTC legend had sense of everything it was just this clunky device and it was just not really showing off the Android capabilities that's the reason for the Nexus program I can't disagree with that I think that's really good do you have any more comments or questions you want to wrap up with Connor and if you do go ahead and give those and then let us know where anybody who asked questions for you can contact you on social media right so my question is is what do you think it's a good idea for low OMS to stop boy in SD scouts pour in their devices ha I'm gonna answer that I just I'm I'm be I'm the probably only person on the team or at least who speaks as vocally as I do who doesn't really care about microSD expansion cards given that you have a decent amount of internal storage now in my particular case I can live with League gigs I don't care I have everything in my cloud I live in super internet country but if you have a 16 gigabyte device like the s4 and you only have eight gigs available that's a problem but if you have well that's only an ape getting device that's the one short of it it's an aging device but if you have a 32 gig device out of which you can use 30 years and a picture on the s4 is to point something Meg's and a picture on the HTC One is below one Meg then that speaks a lot so I personally couldn't care less about microSD expansion cards I don't know I I in my case I do want microSD expansion my problem is how Android handles it now because you know in the past you could load ever you could load as much as you could on the micro SD and now you can't and it's just stupid I mean I have a 32 gig class 10 you one micro SD card that's probably close to as fast as flash as a Ron chip as a ram chip and I cannot load Spotify on it unless I I hacked my way around it so that the music is sent there so it totally defeats the purpose of having expandable storage that if that plus sin so doesn't allow you to install any applications on the SD card which is a samsung thing exactly so that that it I want it it just doesn't make sense right now with the recent changes of Android because that wasn't a problem i think it was in Gingerbread right Joe that sounds about right they switched over the way they were doing it because people were removing their SD card which is something that you should be able to do but once you have device is installed on them your devices once you have software installed on them it becomes complicated in how to deal with that from an operating system level especially when you have widgets that are running on the screen true okay as then answered all right very good Thank You Connor odd how would you like people to get ahold of you on the social networks I keer MIT ki ll er very good thank you very much if anybody has comments or questions send them Connors way we thank you for being on the show is next up in our rotation I am but before that question Joe these ring the OEMs it's a question from youtube i'm reading now do you think the OEMs would agree to google's editions of their flagship devices if these two flop because of the price point i don't think they're going to flop because of the price point i think if anything it's going to help underscore the true value of the devices because these are unsubsidized prices this is how much it is and if you're getting it from your carrier for less than that you're getting a deal I think that's going to to outweigh that wow that's just an expensive device I'm probably going to be wrong but that's what I hope that having been said we've got to define how how someone could defend what is flopping its flopping selling a quarter of what that device sold without the google experience and if so is that really a flop because that's probably a quarter more than they would have sold otherwise so i would see that as a big success personally if I were an oem if I were Sony for example I would see this as a huge opportunity for some free publicity and some marketing and a way to sell more devices and I would be calling my my contact at Google whoever that was to see what I needed to do to get my device into that program so i could start doing it okay thank you let us move on we had enough new people let's talk to a recurring guest mrs. danessa hi everyone I anissa how are you oh good let's talk about what you want to talk about um regarding the whole fool phone stung versatile the phones being gold I mean it to me it might be unnecessary because um they r is for you to have your phone with android if you're lazy and you're willing to pay all that money for a whole new phone then good for you but I just find it unnecessary now this is I think and I've been I've been talking to my colleagues from from the states and even with I'm a but time is more in a similar situation that I am guys in the States refer to buy a phone on a contract because they pay out right much less even though that throughout those two years they pay at the end of the contract much more for that phone in this particular region where I live in and in my particular case I couldn't care less about contracts I have prepaid cards and I just buy my phones out right unlocked I'm not tied to a carrier I can sell them in two months and i can buy myself another one so for those people who think like this and don't mind spending six hundred fifty dollars now versus 1000 or 1200 dollars over the course or two years they will probably like to have a phone with a google edition or a nexus experience but for those who prefer carrier contracts or debate less i think that this will not be such a great deal and I how does a student how does it work in the we can Republic because for example here if I would want to get a phone with a subsidy so here's the difference if i want to buy a phone outright it'll cost me a thousand dollars or an iphone 5 costs 800 let's say eight hundred bucks okay hundred bucks downright 800 bucks and then I would only pay on a prepaid plan 25 bucks a month for that phone for that you know for airtime + data but if I would get a phone with a subsidy I would probably pay the same as in the United States two hundred dollars but then I would be stuck on a two-year contract where I would be paying a hundred dollars or the subsidy was everything plus the insurance of the phone plus so there is just such a big difference that it's actually cheaper in less than six months for you to buy a phone outright than to go for a subsidy exactly what on here is pretty much the same as in the States just that is um a little cheaper but what you get in that plan or contract then you get into is not as good or better as it is in the States here it is just as Tony says you buy a phone with a company under a contract and you what you could be paying for an unlocked phone that maybe I don't know five hundred five hundred dollars but if you go to a company and you sign a contract you end up paying a thousand five hundred thousand or something because that's how they get you oh it's cheap because you just bake this tiny amount for the phone right now but then in the course of two years we're going to rip your kidney out of your body and then set it on the black market because that's how it works so um I people look at me like I'm crazy because a 454 my sensation XL and here that would be on seventeen thousand pesos yeah hang up and people were looking out you're insane I paid for my galaxy s3 oh I don't know 250 maybe I don't know 10,000 Faisal or something it's so much cheaper and I asked him I asked them all the time so you are under a contract rate you want that where the contract okay yeah but it still is cheaper and I'm like no you're going to end up paying 25 maybe 30 thousand pesos for that by the end of your contract and you if you get out of that contract but for the two years you have to pay a penalty which is pretty much the rest of the time that you are there you have left on your contract oh no it's stupid it is a lot of money that you have to put in you have to put down at once but at least you better have that extra money even though you're not gonna see it they're like with you so i think is probably always by not a unlock phone it's yes I have a question for you I know you were an HTC girl what I don't know is whether you are a sense girl or are you a vanilla stock Android girl um well I different versions of sense I'd be like but lately it's just it's annoying me and I'm afraid so uh you know um root the phone and gas antigen was because I had a bad experience with my touch 3g from t-mobile that I got three years back I decided you know what I'm a hack it and I've decided to UM upgraded to froyo and that complete I would read I regret about the station so hard is not your funny because the phone was completely laggy it will freeze on me all the time so after that I said you know what I'm gonna leave my phone as it is and just use launchers it's not a wonderful for that all over again and this one is brand new something I just can't okay thank you very much if you have any final thoughts or questions for anybody here please go ahead uh well I just want to say that the whole thing if you are willing to pay all that money than good for you but I still think is a little necessary even though they probably would give it out for a cheap price but it's just not I don't see it necessary at all okay and my camera is as if now logged on you and that's your account it is it is right it is right there and we can see it's healthy cuz I think thank you very much as usual I think donessa is the person who probably skipped one out of the 18 episodes we had so I thank you for that and that's exactly the reason why both myself hi met Joe and everybody else on the live takes the opportunity at one point when we have it to talk to you because we love you just as much as all the new friends thank you very much i love you guys ah take everyone take care and i guess i'll see you guys next week and and by then you will be one year older so happy an event thank you baycare bremen high man and it's your show floor ok i have not met mr. alex / how are you hello reaching out to MU where's liven on the air can you lower your volume all right good yeah sounds good sounds good worry from offer from a Hollywood la you're from only one although I guess yeah you know California I would so I three questions i had was first put in my head with that haha how do i phrase correctly is that when the leg leaves the phone it's a six gigabyte what was out when you think all the things become say so why doesn't manufacture make it twenty four gigabytes and margot is 16 so when a person gets a phone it's the full 16 gigabytes not eight I don't think there are short pass ities chips made in in up in multiples that way I believe that it's one gig than two gigs import get an eight gig then that would be 16 gig which would beat 12 x eight and then it's a 32 which is 2 times 16 and then six before it Joey you're the expert here yeah you're exactly right it used to be a little bit different when we're talking about hard drives you could do different sizes and different densities and whatnot when we're talking flash memory whether that's flash on SD cards or what is it NAND if it's inside it's very very binary based the point that you're making i agree with entirely yeah I don't care if I have a 1 gigabyte drive inside my phone if I only have 200 mega available I want to know how a miracle yeah how much is available to me what what data can i put on there what apps can I put on there what movies what if it's 200 say 200 I know that's doing sir but if your name will be samsung you would know that it would cost you the exact same amount of money to buy a 16 gig chip whether you should be free or not and they buy 16 gig chip they price it accordingly the 16 gig they price it accordingly you as the user will pay for it but Samsung will say look you have so many features here but that comes at a cost yeah yeah I can't disagree with that at all and on that side of the argument you know it you've got HTC with since you've got samsung with TouchWiz look it's got all this stuff already built in so you don't have to add third party apps to do that so there is an argument to be made there but I still want to know you know give me a parenthetical reference this is a 16 gig phone parenthesis eight gig user available yeah it's just a surface all over again yeah how was you it's good that you said it a night it you a surface have a history hymen yeah I have a history of according to everybody Microsoft hater ship that's even a word um don't worry I said okay Alex Eddie sorry we're crashing in what yeah you make a solid point you do make a solid point my question that I had was that my HTC doesn't do that game computer that samson is doing or like other manufacturers gimmicky features like satin is doing because they're like my opinion the only real reason people switch may be from an S from an s3 to s4 all roads getting through teachers I mean yeah the cameras better make it spin figure but I mean that night and this is my finger are we talking about hardware features or software features not a thought of it like Fairview when I ok let me answer let me answer the stepping shamelessly on hi miss those with a question how many friends or acquaintances do you have that have the s4 none okay i have i have a few i have a few and i'm not counting my pocket now colleagues and out of those few do you know how many have the features enable beyond the first week yah hours a day none so okay Donnie you can lock the camera on me and let's do the whole gift thing again come on just yeah yeah why should this way come on you know it's funny there was this tweet from samsung recently and they were trying to make it a very good point they were trying to make a very good point they were like they were like we invented the whole this air swipe thing that they have they invented the whole thing because of your hands are dirty and you want to do something with your phone you're not gonna need to you know to touch the phone to be able to interact with it and I'm like oh really and how the hell am I supposed to turn the thing on to be able to interact with it without touching it like it's a gimmicky teacher nobody uses it oh my god my hands are full of mustard and I have a cold yeah let me just oh yeah but I have to turn off the damn phone how am I gonna do this there's you know says the only reason Alex the only reason why Samsung justice because they can but the galaxy the galaxy s3 and galaxy s4 have not sold for the gimmicky features they've sold for something that's called marketing Samsung has figured out how to make the how to put the phone in style just like Apple did with the first iphone that's the only reason why everybody wants a galaxy because everybody has a galaxy it's like also add to that that the galaxy phones whether we're I'm not talking about the 2 the 3 and the 4 are also solid solid everything yeah yeah you know honestly the only reason why I wanted an s3 and the only reason why I had an s3 and now a note 2 is because you know honestly TouchWiz even though I hate its its its design it's like one of the most stable and most effective version launchers in Android it for me it never lags it always works it's always you know I turn on the phone and it's always active I wanted a galaxy s3 and now note 2 just because I get expandable storage the the replaceable battery and because that thing is never gonna lag that's the only reason why I got it but obviously I'm a more educated customer you call that if you call it that way but band humble too does the rest yet the rest of the people just get it because everybody has a galaxy or do you have a new galaxy that's the question that every oh you got the new galaxy and that's a you know when people say that I'm like men marketing oh yeah at the new galaxy one of the 55 models out there yeah yeah yeah also the sprint store than a day and I was looking at homes and there were a lot of people at a Saxon boot that were nobody at the agency boot and that when they're presented it was like oh you know where they can see and a lot of customers like what what they see and I'm like I can't believe you just said that I mean agency you know they make great fun people wore into them attention folks but that's what's because HTC has made a lot of mistakes um everybody remember the days of the old touch pro2 um it was never called the HTC touch pro two on AT&T it was called the AT&T tilt you remember that right I had one so that the problem is that HTC at first was an odm they would build for compact for a poem Pompey yeah they built for HP for a lot of these companies and then they came out and we're like oh we're gonna we're gonna pull out on brand but then when they approached the US carriers they offer the US carriers the ability to build their own AT&T and verizon phones and so they deluded their brand again and now that they want to make people know what HTC is nobody knows you know and obviously if AT&T is not going to have their eighth this is the AT&T one if AT&T is not going to say that to the customer they're not gonna push it they're not gonna try to sell it seriously you know and obviously if HTC is not doing a better job in marketing than AT&T is then the phone is simply not going to sell and some Samsung is killing it with billboards in the bathroom I'm serious I am taking a leak and I am reading a galaxy far me like oh this is like that is a marketing ambush that makes me want to buy a galaxy oh yeah mark I don't know if I want to buy anything that I see in advertising while I'm doing my business cuz I'm gonna associate that product with doing my business i I'm just gonna associate that product with your product yeah to put it another way look if it's a phablet then you won't be that you know size does matter because if this is welcome to no lie this is the crazy plugging a lifeproof so yeah that's a pocket now live a happier dog is scheduled time any anyway so yeah Alex god I gotta let you go buddy anyway with your contact you Twitter I don't know Google Plus you let us not uh I all really use anything like that uh I got one last question yes I know you guys don't need two phones and tablets I just know you I get the new game system like things but one or a theist of the ps4 yeah I'm gonna answer that question by saying that I'm not gonna answer the question and stay tuned to pocket now that's my silly face just log in you know that how stuff that you guys don't yeah anyways Alex a pleasure to meet you you know the rules sadly you have to go but you can keep on watching us on the live feed it's a pleasure to meet you all right well how do you guys have the day yeah bye bye Joe please yes Mike battle your last name is battle that's awesome tell us what you think all right um what I think about the nexus program is I think it's actually a pretty good idea but my only problem with it is I don't think it will really fly well with consumers to be honest I don't think I don't think you know the average consumer the average everyday person who goes out and buys a phone on contract or something like that will be interested at least in this country at least in the US okay so let me let me ask you this this is is the google edition program let's call it a program is that targeting is that hearing two times Joe and myself can you please Mike just lower a little bit your volume so that we don't get this terrible echo thank you sorry jail vector no problem I was feeling the same way so the question is with this Google Experience Program are the people that they're targeting going to be just everyday people off the street that would normally get egg let's say that would see an advertisement for an sgs4 in a bathroom stall or is this targeted to people who are coming to tech sites like pocket now who are developers who are the more for lack of a shameless plugging the android-powered users and if so is it going to succeed there where it wouldn't in normal everyday well I believe the intent would be to get everybody as many people as they can on board so i believe i believe they i believe they intend on you know selling it to the mainstream consumer rather than the android power user but i believe the devices obviously appeal more to the android power user more so than the mainstream user and of course you go back to the thing about marketing and pushing the devices and we're not not sure if the devices will be marked i'm pretty sure the devices won't be marketed as well Liz you know the non the non-google editions that is true because at the end of the day and I'm sorry Joe I just have a sentence to say your average my neighbor my ex-girlfriend I'm whoever doesn't really care about a google edition because all they see is for instance sense 5 and nothing on sense 5 I see all the pictures from facebook on google edition I can't see anything same goes for Dutch Shell they prefer the HTC / samsung experience versus the Android experience which I think people's more to guys like us which are in the minority and and not only that but just let's not forget how many nexus wars is I mean it's an extremely it's an extremely expensive relative thumb and it still hasn't taken off gloriously even with the Galaxy Nexus even with the nexus s even with the HTC One X I'm sorry HTC nexus one none of these phones are popular even if they were affordable so now that they're making an affordable move on mission phone I don't things you can sell any better because it not to make you team yeah you're gonna get in today added hardware but is Android still right I I agree with that I here making a solid point oh my god I guess what I'm trying to say is I see how you're making a solid point on phone yeah it is pretty much a niche product for the most part ii it feels it feels a niche for those who crave stock Android yep that's not then at the end of the day you're still going to sell those extra 10,000 or 20,000 units that you probably wouldn't have sold because they would have gone with a Nexus device rather than one of those so I think Google is probably going to be cannibalizing some of their own necks of sales and giving them over to the Google experienced sales it's going to sell more product for those OEMs especially to see who desperately need sales right now where I agree I'm gonna say something as I just realized i am being with my galaxy s4 and i am i'm shocked realize they had to get the cover off the entire camera module is moving is wobbling i'm not sure if you guys can see this i'm gonna try to move it really it mom let me try to get an angle it is wobbling like say three maybe four parts of a millimeter it's definitely moving and i just realized it when I wanted to clean my lens so doing it out out too and it's not wobbling weird I'm sorry back to you I just have to say this anyways Joe Mike uh yeah I think I covered most of what we did here I'm sorry Mike I muted you so we wouldn't echo so when you come back in for your last comments and questions make sure you unmute the point you make is good and I think its overall a good thing for for everybody all around it's going to sell more product and it's going to put more of those OEM products in the hands of people who otherwise wouldn't have had them for example I'm going to talk with Tony and see what it's going to take for me to get an HTC one google edition in my hands as soon as possible as soon as we're done here so that's one more product that we wouldn't add otherwise what Paul first why wouldn't you get an HTC One just left cyanogenmod on it oh ok I see with you had no I know I know and you know I've got my nexus 4 and the second nexus for that I've owned by the way and I didn't root it I didn't throw a custom rom on it I stayed stock for longer on this device then I have on any other device that I have ever owned because i feel that stock android right now does the majority of the stuff that i want to be able to do in fact I probably would have stayed stock if it weren't for some videos that I wanted to do for pocket now that required root and then once I've got root you go cyanogenmod I so that having been said I want to go stock and buy stock imagesstock google edition with HTC one I would love for them to have a 64 gig version but that's you know that's just me Mike I have unmuted you but I'm not sure if that works so maybe you might just want to double check okay now I hate I hear you're unmuted let me see you and try to fix it right quick no problem it's as long as I keep on shutting up it's not a problem all right um one my final thought on this would be it would hurt back to a point Jaime made earlier earlier about HTC you know not releasing about the new upcoming HTC device at their final release it's supposed to be there mid tier device I actually agree I actually agree with that point in there I I think it was kind of dumb I think it's kind of dumb and it's kind of a bad decision for them to make a whole new phone and I thought hi May made a good point that they should probably use last year's hardware as their mid tier device and maybe that would work better for HTC as well as a no amped and you know they're struggling they've been struggling we all know that and I think I think that would have been a smarter choice rather than you know coming up with a whole new phone that has basically the same specs or similar specs to last year's model I just think about it I mean if you want a mid-tier the phone right now you get a cutie a display on that inside I agree and I get a 720p display on the 1x what am I gonna prefer you're gonna the 1x oh yeah a little bit further 1/3 i can i can i can testify that because i just recently I just recently got a 1x myself oh I just got the one it's myself so it's still a great phone and I'll see why anyone wouldn't get it except the camera I can agree that you know magic matches on item in your online so we've got the match 20 phone a group here right now I'm just cracking up over the the camera enthusiasts yeah just throw that thing away best the trash get caught me with a trust Kevin picks up later if you throw that thing away it will break through your walls go back to you sorry man so yeah do you have any last thoughts or comments that you want to leave us with Mike and if not how can we get a hold of you and continue the discussion offline and you're muted I didn't do it this time I did it cuz I'm trying to try to stop that a pill but you're bad at home but um no I don't have any final thoughts and I can be found on twitter at um I at I use q 4g 4g com I mean at i use to 4g and that's why I'm a very good well thank you for joining us and being part of the conversation today make sure you come back and if anybody has any questions or comments make sure they follow Mike over on Twitter alright thanks for having me guys thank you take care and how about guys we do something different because I'm I'm always the host on the show so I'm every week here you guys are not so since we had 10 more minutes left how about we skip the part where I choose somebody and we go back to Hina and then to Joe for the last two goals of the evening evening in my crease okay yeah let's talk to matts how are you then just to talk to a recurring member there if you throw that phone at me i am going to be very upset how are you can you hear me I remember you have a nexus 4 I remember that how do you feel about this these google edition phones with all this with the fact that you purchased the nexus 4 how do you feel about these publishing pounds okay first off can you hear me yeah yes okay I never know what Google you know and also I I'll be almost and say I'm I'm a little bit childish harvester that I was kind of hoping this wouldn't happen I like being special I like having my max I like pulling this out when my friends have s fries and no twos and everything and I polish it up and there you go oh well I have this mini-course and I do this and the ID dot and I do I wave my hands like a woman what am I don't drop too many s bombs and f bombs because this is a family-friendly show and we want to keep it that way somebody might be offender I'm sorry yeah I'm a and I go yeah what version of Android you have and they don't even know so I like being special and it's a little bit in the sound that no everybody can get not only the best phones on the market but it'll have the best version of well I'm going on hopefully though I do i do hope for the sake of the nexus program that they will yes it will get timely updates but the Nexus would still be the first you guess y'all ready or else i don't i don't understand or else they're killing off their own brand I mean to me this is the google version of the iphone yeah yeah okay let me jump in there hi me cuz i got a sec um google is not about the hard work um they're about hardware that shows off their software as long as that's out there it's available it's affordable and it runs their software and their services very efficiently very fluidly they're happy now the Nexus line has been look at what we can do to make this awesome hardware with these awesome services that you buy stuff from our store fast enough durable enough and affordable enough that people can get it just off the street and that forces the OEMs to to compete really against Google hardware so it's never been about Google wants a google phone it's always been about Google wants to be the service provider that is everywhere in your life they're on your web they're on your phone they're on your TV they're on your shooter there in the bathroom looking back across the stall they're everywhere and that's what they want because with Google they're not selling you a product you are the product that they're selling to advertisers exactly q just cutest googled commercials oh yeah oh yeah but anyway anyway so you feel you feel a little let down would you consider selling that nexus 4 and getting one of these you know google edition phones or would you rather go for a full sense phone and you know use it with sense right now and then go cyanogenmod eventually what would you prefer well with an android phone I basically rooted and I flashed like every night player there is so I would essentially just quite a regular one and they go with that and to be honest I I do know that this is that google is not trying to make no i phone i do understand what you're saying and I wasn't saying that they should be doing data flow cheaper I was just saying that I as a very small man like being special and now my special thing is taken away so uh yeah and Stan left yeah so you would definitely prefer to to stay with your nexus for now or you're keeping your nexus 4 are you switching what's your what's your plan okay I'm keeping it until the nexus 5 I want to see what that's all about and yeah interesting interesting well any questions for the team we're running out of time and no not really i just i actually thought it was not going to be able to come today and i sat down on the couch since like why it was real time and i went on and i actually got in so last thing I'll point out is that I have actually this habits pin drop that we're talking about harnessing this thing has been dropped 20 times and you stayed for nokia I feel sorry for the rockefeller now tell me something as well as well have you also made phone calls on it because usually that's really what phones are for I know is it complete complete lesson on it gomez go it has some of the best sounding microphones have ever used to ram it a nominal for phone calls the signal is beautiful and it to be honest as a phone this fits this any day it is the perfect parking brake I lock hold on let me let me show you something I wanted to do this for a long time and now I finally had the opportunity so this is the back cover of the samsung galaxy s4 and this is the back cover of the 808 PureView see this see it bends see this this is almost 2 millimeters thick it doesn't mend yeah and that's just a cover I am you know whenever that phone is not usable to you anymore to send it to me um I know that my neighbors got parking brake issues with trust and i will just you know i like to be a nice neighbor come on anyways match is a pleasure to talk to you again anyway we could contact you Twitter or whatever yeah I think I've got the thing Andals now with the whole yeah 31 their ego and yeah i love the team love the pocono team and i wanna give a little shout out to Joe Levi because your Android power user videos on YouTube honestly it wasn't for those videos I wouldn't have a single clue when I started up yeah he's a bad influence he's a well thank you for that I I appreciate it I'm glad to know that the that power user was put to good use I think I think the one sentence in the whole whole series that sold me on routing a phone was you talking about routing the Nexus full and you said well and you might break phone but that's half the fun they know ah yes I've only bricked two phones in my history but and i bought replacements for both of them because that's the kind of guy I am so brooding them for four friends but very very good all right love you guys yea big here bye bye and this is going to be the final goal of the evening and it goes to Joe Levi Thank You unjust to follow up on the last one before I pick somebody I like being in the Nexus club and I kind of think maybe Google called them Google Experience devices rather than you know the samsung galaxy s4 Nexus so that we could kind of keep some of that exclusivity and that Club like feeling being nexus users so just a thought there that having been said I saw you waving Matthew let's go ahead and talk to you unmute your microphone come to the front tell us where you're from and what you think of this whole google experience devices and also what device are you using today hi so I'm from Canada I knew Toronto and i'm currently using the no 2 very good race with the whole the whole thing with this he's a google edition devices I I don't find the price point to be to be bad at all because only finally yeah i live in 11 canada and i bought this this note to outright i paid eight hundred and fifty dollars for it because 729 and then taxes which are crazy up there it's canadian the nursery yes canadian dollars which is pretty close to american so yeah guys have like two three year contract so it makes sense to my phone series yeah I'm well that's why I keep buying them out because I'm I'm walked to a three-year contract on an original note no one and ever since I bought in three phones out rights and so I just keep paying for for the mode of my pocket so six hundred fifty dollars doesn't seem doesn't seem too bad to me yeah I completely agree on there seems to be a mentality issue with people especially in America it probably bleeds across the border to the north as well and people want things for free and as long as somebody says it's free that or cheap that's that's great and they don't look at the extended costs of it one of the reasons why I'm really really happy with what t-mobile is doing going completely contract list for their their new signups if you want to get a device that's great they'll sell you a device at a low cost right now and then they will tack on monthly payments for that device going forward but you're still free to leave anytime you want you just gotta pay off the rest of your phone or whenever i'll leave they'll remind from you and I I don't know it's a fair market value minus yeah whatever refurbishing fastest i think the t-mobile approaches smart like you paid twenty bucks for a phone a month i mean that's like oh come on that's awesome yeah there's they're still throwing in the time value of money equations and whatnot so you're still paying interest and whatnot on it rather than paying it outright but i think it's a good half step for where we were to where I think we need to be which is someplace more like Tony and what they do over there in in Europe people need to to be more responsible with their money and realize hey you know I can spend 500 bucks right now and get a really good device and have it for as long as I take care of it versus I can pay a hundred bucks for it now and another 800 bucks for it over the life of the contract and I'm stuck with them I don't have a choice I have to stay there until I pay it off so I kind of like that but I'm let's go ahead and go back to Matthew uh rather than talking over the top of you what other comments are points do you have about the google edition phones oh I think I don't know that I would personally purchase it because I do i do enjoy the skins on it especially TouchWiz so yeah it probably wouldn't be for me but I don't as far as the price point I don't find it too bad so since you bought your note to outright if there were a note to google edition that would you be tempted to buy that one instead of the Samsung addition if you had to do it all over again no I don't think so because if I if I was tempted to to try out stock Android again I would just root and put cyanogen mod on what it was just a quick question as a layman wouldn't the having stock Android under no tooth completely killed yes Ben yes yeah I would it would with what's out of the box but you got to remember samsung added stuff to android and you can add a lot of that stuff back with third-party apps not as deeply integrated as samsung has obviously but it's possible so that kind of takes the Thunder out of my follow-up question Tony thanks for that I was going to say if it were available to to flash a google edition rom onto your note 2 would you do that why or why not and I think we've just gotten that answer the power behind the note 2 is really the s-pen would I be fair in that conclusion yeah yeah no well i'm currently using the note 2 and the power here is a size yes for me the big advantages i don't i just i like the size of the phone that's me I've got you I've got Gigantor hand was very good well thank you for your input Matthew do you have any last questions or comments that you'd like to add and then follow up with how we can contact you on social media so we can keep the conversation going oh yeah that's all that's all I've got for today you can follow me on twitter at matt underscore macleod macl EOD 5 and thanks for having me on your show look at thanks for my pleasure man thank you that right well what movie was that um that was Duncan Duncan MacLeod right right I forget the name of the movie it was like Highlander Highlander exactly i Matthew thank you very much and have an awesome weekend thank you too bye and with that we managed to go only four minutes over the one hour 30 mark this was episode number 18 of bucket now live I was joined today by mr. hi Matt Rivera you can follow him right there hi Matt any final closing thoughts uh I'm still thinking twice about Google edition seriously I would rather go stop go standard but that's just me thank you and it's such an irony because I always wanted signature google phones except they're too expensive that's me thank you for your thoughts and I was also joined by Joe Levi you can follow him right there Joe please any final thoughts you know I'm excited about the google edition we mused about it before on pocket now I think we called it pretty close except we called them Nexus phones rather than that what they're known asked today so I'm excited all around I would love to try a nexus one excuse me a an HTC one they're both made by HTC google edition they're both ones how about that I'd love to have that just so I can compare and contrast but I I still kind of like being in the Nexus club it's a little bit more exclusive thank you very much Joe thank you very much everybody who managed to join everybody who with whom we managed to talk and with whom we did not manage to talk everybody watching on YouTube and commenting and I was your host as usual every Friday Anton you can follow me right there this was pocket now and we'll leave you hope will have a awesome awesome weekend stay tuned to pocket now next week everybody take care I bet