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okay work reliable indicator here and in case we are good afternoon to everybody a good morning to some people somewhere in the planet and get something to everybody else it is 234 p.m. in my timezone 434 um in eastern time and we just got a nexus 5 just out of the blue just like that we've been waiting for this phone for the longest time and yeah google just decided to make the phone public today uh without letting anybody you know no events nothing official we were kind of expecting this for tomorrow so everything that's happening now we kind of had planned for tomorrow but anyways we will just decided to spoil my lunch so in order of appearance we have a great team here to talk about our thoughts of what just went on we're gonna cover the news and now we're gonna go through what we think of everything so in order mr. Taylor Martin hello to you sir how are you hello I'm great and I've got a pumpkin here just for the Halloween festivities pumpkin kinda reminds kind of reminds me of somebody but I can't say until like about a month from now probably Michael understands I'm talking about because I had certainly don't I'm contending mr. Joe Levi who does not have a pumpkin and I'm trying to figure out where you are Joe I am on location in the parking lot at my day job but you know i love pocket now and i love my Nexus so I'm ear you're a trooper Joe thank you very much sure you got a good hairstyle going on today I'm really like what's going on there you got like smell cubit that cuckoo clock yeah this is my 7 8am podcast hair I think that's his Michael Fisher look what's kind of familiar I don't know careful its trademark mighty of George Michael huh Oh mr. Michael Fisher how are you hi i am well I feel like we I was just broadcasting from this very booth the second ago we're at the park and I weak-kneed this morning Joel evite and Kayla Martin and Anton Dino and I talking about the nexus 5 Sheila's Taylor Wharton here Atlas Taylor Martin we were why whoa man let's better beat and I was like there's no way there's no we're just going to have another day where it's not happening and then it happened I feel constrained to point out before we move on to the last person to introduce I mention that we google gave us a nexus 5 was I think the phrasing that is not great we do not have a nexus 5 yeah yeah google gave the world an exercise if you're expecting to see one on the show you should not be expecting to see one on the show yep except for wait I don't know just low class I knew that I can you did miss my shadow for you hi say I was half expecting Keller to pull out like a piece of cardstock yeah just printed the official press render on for like glued on to I don't know an iphone 3gs or something that i am well well is that funny how like just get literally like two hours ago if one of us even had one of the in store dummy like units like that would have been huge news Agron we would have done crew he over the past knows somebody's unpublished somebody published the video over lunch of the phone and they were just playing around with the phone and I was I was trying to understand why the video got so many dislikes and as it turns out I start reading the comments and everybody's like the phones already live funny they already announced what are you trying to maintain youtube upload times yeah ok so to disclaimers number one google has just totally destroyed us with this new hangout interface um everything looks weird oh and if we look weird or if we haven't figured something out or you know sorry about this guy's we're trying to figure this out just as much as I'm sure a lot of people at Google are and number two my connection is terrible this is the third time we've tried this so in case i drop off for any reason the rest of the team will continue covering and i will try to hop on like i always do so anyways without further ado and i know certain people hate that phrase let's start talking about this we have a little bit of a schedule amount of things that we want to discuss so we'd like to start with Stephen we'd like to discuss the Nexus 5 what have you learned about this phone what what can we well what can we expect no because a lot of the day the 16 gig model already sold out so tell us about it yeah luckily we heard a lot about this phone you know coming up to the actual launch so we knew pretty much what to expect and I don't think there have been any big surprises the specs have largely been exactly what we were looking at you know the Snapdragon 800 the 1080p nearly 5 inch display and like I said the 16 and there's also a 32 gigabyte model now it does look like the availabilities a little better than it was with the nexus 4 and while there have been we saw the neck the 16gb model drop out google is showing its not available anymore it did come back and i think now it's gone again is this for just the US um but it seems to be holding out better than the other Nexus 4 it didn't disappear instantly and last I checked the 32 gigabyte model is still available and shipping november eight so if you want to order one still you can have it within just a little over a week i think they're completely sold out now by now okay probably half thousand likes to ask check yeah it does keep coming once they're out they have been coming back so keep checking if you really really want one also like we saw last year remember with Nexus 4 when it was sold out if you kept hammering away on it sooner or later sometimes you got the opportunity to buy one so do keep trying if you won't look black and white are still available by a november eighth and 32 gig white 16 is done yeah so just comes there just a little note there when i got mine in i was told that it would ship by November fifth so this is the second batch theoretically that's going out on 8 and I presume we'll see those batches continue to go forward so keep an eye on the dates the the ship by dates now we'll be doing an update on the actual specs we're into a rundown later on today showing you the phone versus all the other flagships I just want to quickly mention about the g2 since that's what the Nexus 5 is based on it's very similar to the chi 2 but there's a few little differences Nexus 5 has a smaller battery only 2300 milliamp hours google says you can get I think eight hours of web browsing on it or 17 hours of talk time I believe was the figure so L something like 60 hours of straight video music playback it's something crazy like three hundred hours standby so maybe they'll be able to pull it off even with a smaller battery that does let the phone slim down a little it's about half a millimeter thinner than the g2 and it's also a little bit lighter I think 13 grams lighter but while also the front-facing camera a little bit of a downgrade it's bigger than this you're kidding that's what they say but you won't be able to notice it it's so tiny and it's 130 grams which is exactly as massive as the galaxy s4 was right but then there's that the difference material run back which is interesting where it's where it's like oh this is as light as the s4 but it's probably going to feel a little bit better in the hand thanks to the soft touch versus the glossy stuff if you're looking Nexus 7 and you think that soft touch is gonna be you know for those of you that ordered the black model Michael do you think that's gonna be a fingerprint magnet you know this a smudge magnet would you recommend the white model better well I'll tell you what I've got a white one coming too and I know we're gonna see a black ones like I think we're gonna have to see I'm more interested in knowing whether the material changes in the tactile you know a responsiveness not that's not what I mean I want to see if the material feels different between the black one of the white one because like this you from a note 3 exactly Taylor yeah I reviewed the black note 3 it felt great this one feels man yeah yeah yeah yeah I like the black one a lot better trust me yeah the same thing with this and look for don't wear those colors there's a number of different case options there's a red and a yellow official bumper there's also a black and grey bumper and white and black cases with a little folder to cover the front as well Stephen don't know cause I was gonna ask us that folder of mek mek has does it have a magnetic latch to turn the display on and off or is it a difficult I was wondering about that I haven't seen anything mentioned about that and I couldn't tell just by looking but it seems like the sort of picture we would expect so I don't know just yet usually the mechanics of it I don't know but it is an active color cover so when you open it it will skip the swipe to unlock it'll automatically turn on and off whether that's by proximity or by a magnetic clasp they didn't say and it's no window this time like we see on the you know the note with the g2 it's just a little cut out for the speaker does he do anything to affect the Qi wireless charging ability of the Nexus 5 do we know that it says that it's officially compatible with the the Nexus wireless charger they're just calling me in the Nexus wireless charger at this point no than you and the device itself is I just wonder if the case is effect Adam yes the case one of the line items they said on both the bumpers and the flip cases is that they are still compatible with kee kee very good eeek wireless charging cool good now for those interested in buying Stephen we remain in the same policy right it's only available in the Google Play Store uh no carriers have picked it up just yet and you can just get it for the same 350 or 400 right I know t-mobile mention they're definitely going to have it in stores I don't think they get a date hey there's a lot better band support this time around and we saw cdma support not wcdma for 3g but cdma like Verizon and Sprint which is weird because we're not used to seeing those sort of phones sold separately from the carrier so I'm still waiting to find out exactly how sales of those are going to work but this looks like we're gonna have a universal while it's going to work women in the US with the exception of verizon it is not it is not prefer oh yeah yeah yeah okay so more information sake I've hands for sprint and I think nine LTE bands total yeah yo you wanted systems yet so looking at the release notes we're going to have the stock version just like we have the nexus 4 available through the Play Store they went on to specifically say that the they're going to be additional places for resale coming this holiday season or before the holidays I think is the wording that they used and they listed places like Best Buy and sprint as a separate item so I assume that we're going to be getting a separate Nexus 5 that has the separate separate version of the Snapdragon 800 chip like we talked about in the weekly this morning that carries the cdma stuff that you will get in the sprint stores so it's not 100-percent confirmed but that's how I'd assume based on the way it was unfortunately it's not going to be like one universal device the missing Mike the listing in the Play Store now does say it has that cdma band on it that was that's weird i don't know i could be wrong and you know it wouldn't be like the first time that it's done obviously the iphone 4s wasn't an LTE capable phone but it did it was one universal unit for cdma and HSPA+ it was one thing um where a change in the iphone 5 obviously because of how complicated LTE is so yeah we most probably will be getting a separate unit which I hope not I hope that it's one universal phone and that people will be able to swap around their networks as much as they can because just think about it I mean you right now have to pay three hundred dollars on contract to get a node 3 with the snapdragon 800 processor and most of the specifications that you get ondas Nexus 5 and for fifty dollars more or a hundred dollars more you can get a nexus 5 off contract this is crazy this is just crazy I mean it's beautiful it's it's a no-brainer that mean these people Google is really like they tried to disrupt the market for so long but this is like the best way you can't disrupt the market with a with a low end or mid to your phone you can do it even if it's priced right you can do it with a top-of-the-line high-end phone so much so that the phone has already sold out well the Nexus horse hold up just just as quickly if that faster but I mean answer but it's a different beast because last year Google wasn't trying to create the most impressive and highly SPECT phone it was trying to prove that you don't need great specifications to have a great fall sure and I think they got the message across very well and so has motorola a lot of others but that doesn't mean that you don't need or maybe want high-end specifications in now google catering to that as well so until you took the first photograph yeah shut up yeah yeah the nexus for the Moto X are two examples of terrible cameras and well the Nexus 5 is supposed to have a better camera but uh yeah reports is someone we shouldn't gloss over that because this this camera does take a step down a resolution but as I mentioned just published of our go as optimal not to ask you Michael yeah go ahead yeah I mean the fact that it has 0 is is great because OAS is kind of the new buzzword of the new year and or the year that's about to close out and it's in contrast to the resolution war it deserves to be there like oh is brings real advantages and it can as we've seen with HTC One it can even take a really low end a low resolution camera and make it do allow it to do wonderful things so I think just note well being Brennan right I think this may well be the first Nexus we see that delivers a pretty good camera experience we'll have to see you know in concert with the hdr+ stuff and all the stuff that the software stuff that Google is packaged in there now and I think like for example both uh Taylor you Michael and myself we all three of us had a jeep at g2 yeah and we universally agreed that that was the Android camera to beat it was will really have much experience with it no yeah cuz Taylor's was busted yes no that's a good point I man that's that's actually really directly related to what we're talking about here because the Nexus 5 you know as we've said is kind of the g2 in excess ified and like besides the resolution duck there I think we're going to see some pretty impressive stuff from from this sensor there was some speculation i think brian klug at an antec was speculating that it might be a sony sensor based on the specifications that have been published and if so it would be very interesting to see as that Sony sensor made it to 0 is so yeah we heard that earlier we're talking about that confusion over a mems component but the one point that stuck was so nice answer right well that the iphone 5s has a sony sensor and so far it doesn't have 0 is and it pulls some very amazing low-light photos so i think we should expect something good i mean if we get the same or probably same of sensor matched with OS this should be like probably the camera to be as well we will say I I think at this point it would just be it would just be who've Google to shoot par you know it's like as if they can deliver a good shooting experience on a nexus that's that's fine for this year that's all they need to do decent passable um yeah I've seen some sample photos from people at Google and some of them are so great so I'm not I'm not gonna throw on one throw all those eggs in that one basket I'm probably going to buy a nexus 5 but uh I think the phone for me is as much as I love stock I think that's the phone for me yeah so now well anyways any anymore any other points to discuss about the nexus 5 steven anything else that we've forgotten to cover um no I think we've seen where we've covered a little everything that we wanted to so far the only question I've still had in my mind is what this new wireless charger is going to sell for other than that the stuff is out there the hardware is going to be arriving in just a week or so we're going to finally get there a lot of hands on reports from users letting us know what they think about the photo they think of a battery life and finally be able to get a full assessment of what the Nexus 5 is going to mean don't expect a cheap price of those accessories though because Google always jacks up their prices on accessories because the hardware sold so cheap like like the case for the nexus is 140 bucks yeah all seven days and the flip cover is 60 I believe well the nexus 7 k's i mean it's no she i've taught in the nexus 5 stuff they're coming soon but they're spendy and the the wireless charger for the nexus 4 was 60 or 70 bucks stops not gonna be cheap but you know more than makes up for having a phone that this cosmic fraction of the cost of another phone at least with the compatibility you can always pick up a cheap you know nokia charger or like close by buck no no no no don't do that don't do that don't do that if anybody wants my nokia charger i would gladly sell it to them so there's a reason they're so cheap well there's a don't tilt also has that wonderful line of view chargers there's a lot of cheek compliance stuff out there that's actually really good so what killed yes everything else that I've used that streak of light is great just the Nokia one now sorry I decision Michael just a fault just to follow up Tom with a schedule that we have here um how about if we run things down comparing the Nexus 5 against the neck for Taylor I mean you had the nexus 4 it was probably your favorite phone Joe had the nexus for steven has a nexus 4 yeah joe killed me with that back thank you very much I really agree morganii for this for those of you that have a nexus 4 right now is it worth the upgrade Taylor oh yeah that that's a pretty much is pretty much a no-brainer I mean if you're happy with your nexus 4 then fine don't buy it no but if if you're not and you're thinking it's feeling a little dated because a lot of people felt the nexus 4 was a little underpowered when it came out at least in comparison to other high-end phones and you know this this is a major upgrade this isn't like iphone 5 to iphone 5s or galaxy s3 to galaxy s4 this is this is big you know it's it's a leap because google went from kind of i'm getting a call on my computer but i can't answer that anyway but um we're going from something that's kind of you know a moderate spect phone to something that is in line with all of the highest in specs that you can get on anything so yeah it's definitely a big upgrade in and it's definitely worth the price because you could probably offload your your nexus 4 for maybe half the price of a nexus 5 yeah i was on craigslist ithaca what I could get for a mind if I cuenta de said I sold mine a few weeks ago and I'm sure that it makes Brandon it probably didn't make Brandon too happy because he's like hey you're gonna get you to compare the nexus 4 Nexus 5 and I'm like all right you know I think this for me particularly this brings us back to the time of the nexus one when the nexus one was announced it was the first one gigahertz processor it was I'm trying to remember what how many firsts this phone it was the first Snapdragon it was the first step dragon processor in the market um I remember this phone being so it was the thinnest android smartphone of the day that light of trackball you i love that day yes bring it oh yeah and you know this is this is we're finally back to that the nexus s was not a big leap compared to the phones that were out there the the Galaxy Nexus wasn't a big leap in innovate there were already 720p displays in the market the nexus 4 was we could say a little bit of a step back to what was already in the market by the fall of last year and now when we see the Nexus 5 this is just a no-brainer this is really a no-brainer I you know unless you want to shell out more money for a non-contract you know deal or something there's really no reason to not buy this phone meaning it's probably one of the most attractive devices in the market and yeah I wasn't listen I'm I've been sitting quietly listening it listen I'm not saying it's an ugly device okay we talked a little about this in the pockets this morning it's not an ugly device but it's also does nothing to stand out and the argument in favor of that is well let it get out of the way of the software the stories about the software it's a Nexus device I hate that sounds like what I said yeah well no no no III don't i don't like that story i mean it should be a unified experience and the hardware should lend something to that of course you get that in terms of the internals you get the Snapdragon 800 you do is in the camera that i like but if you look at the casing and we know we'll get one in the office and we'll either confirm this or I'll be like I was wrong it almost looks like reference hardware there's nothing really special about it you know it kind of reminds me of the z10 a little bit where it's like oh I mean yeah this is fine i guess you know the nice for was super fragile you had to have hit gloves on the whole time but it was pretty yeah right exactly at least the next four said something and I as I said in the podcast this morning the nexus s even till like reviled and access that nobody wants to remember is like at least that was doing something cool with a curved glass over the screen with a little bulb on the bottom like at least was different this nexus 5 the next vibe is just kind of like it look I'm here and yeah I'm hardware it's okay look at the software like that's what it's doing adds up now tell me something Michael tell me something so if you if you had the choice and I mean I mean let's disconnect ourselves from our pocket rolls yeah let's see ourselves as the average person out there if they gave you the option to buy okay how many phones do we have right now there are snapdragon 800 powered and that have most of the specifications that the nexus 5 has all we have are the galaxy note 3 the LG g2 what else the s4 has a variant with the 800 but you can't get in the United States so let's talk to United States right now all you have is the g2 and the Galaxy Note 3 and now you have the nexus 5 so if we were to compare you know getting these two phones on contract two hundred dollars for one three hundred dollars for the other or pay an extra fifty dollars to get this whole package off contract do you think that that won't make you consider it you know you think that if I big enough if we're confining ourselves to this world in which the Snapdragon 800 is some kind of like boundary that we give a crap about you know what I mean it's like because I don't necessarily like we remember Jaime I carry the Moto X more often than I carry any other smartphone and this has been like you know in the spec sheet people are like whatever I don't know how to make of this because they made something custom and it's like oh it's not high spec now f off like I don't care about that you know I can't be the only one that likes this hardware though I can't be the only one that likes the Nexus 7 I like the Nexus 7 I love it I love the heart until seven like Michael doesn't like the design of the nexus 5 but i actually do i find it simplistic my meal I find it kind of says turn out well i'm not i would never argue they're gonna find it today get around this way with everything oh you don't like the day on that I don't and I don't know about the case they kept the cutout just as big why not just shrink it down to the size of the length because because the lens the lens is conveying a message at saying 20 is saying it's saying look this camera isn't I'm ugly maybe sangamon depends depends on your hearing I suppose listen I think that that bulge was is there simply because fitting the OIS and that casing was too difficult Apple did it with the ipod touch that they made it so thin that they couldn't fit the lens in there and so it has this comp on top of it lens and I feel that that's the reason why they did it with the Nexus 5 that could well be yeah and especially the Nexus 5 is thinner than the g two because the g2 they manage to fit OAS in there in quezon lines but if it's better than you that makes it it's mainly because of the curve in the it's mainly because of the curve in the chassis because of that bump that's what allows for Roy at 40 I has to fit there but overall you know I guess we have mixed feelings some of us like the phone some of us don't like the phone I personally you know this is like I do i do like the phone for me it's like why not at that price why not ya see I'm I'm probably gonna buy one either way probably because all I'm on the fence too yeah I'm gonna buy one but it's probably gonna sit more than anything I mean that's kind of how my nexus 4 was I bought it because it was so cheap and then I would pop my sim card in it when I got tired of jenna is there something else it expensive watch it's just a cheap so that's bad ya know in your Chi ok we all value low-cost foam and we all talk about ourselves and we were using many devices we're a very different different set but like time I get your point inexpensive is a powerful motivator particularly we talk about specs like this the Nexus 5 is not a bad device and I don't dislike it I don't want to convey that impression but I it's just interesting because the next this is we're no longer in the same world as we were where you can you can now get the stock google experience on a moto x on a play edition s4 on an HTC one you know it's more expensive yes but you can do it the Nexus Nexus device is not your only route to just talk android so I think that's interesting you know and we're going to discuss the competition a little but go ahead Joe go ahead yeah so let me jump in and answer the question that you asked long ago there if I not a robot I went from a Galaxy Nexus which I thought was a really really good device and i bought the nexus 4 and honestly I could have done without that upgrade because there's not a lot of difference between the two they're both solid devices now going from that again from the Nexus we're up to the next one the Nexus 5 and having that held in hand but just looking at the raw specs that's a huge jump we're talking about what would have been a two-year jump before in in this one year jump from the full or to the five part of that is because the four I feel was under SPECT it was lower than what it could have been and lower than what it should have been but it is what it is the five the five is the latest and greatest hardware it's the best that you can get so if you're if you've got a four a five is definitely going to be worth it for you it's worth it for me I I went out spent the money and ironically i'm getting the white one to michael so it's on its way the first batch so and i was i was actually gonna segue towards you Joe in our topic list mainly because of two things number one you know and I'm just gonna set it out there I even tweeted this like about a week ago where you know the Snapdragon 800 has been so big for me it's like the Haswell processor on laptops it is just so powerful and just so powerful on its own that it it dares me to actually recommend the phone that is rocking it even if I haven't tested it just because of how reliable it's been for me on the g2 and on the note 3 that's my thought I mean just because it has that processor I'm like okay just because of that i buy the phone but you know you know aside from processing power we also have to talk about android 4.4 so how do you feel about these two things Joe you know obviously the spec bump plus what can we learn from 4.4 what do you tell us ok so the spec bump is important but not as important as it may be it's important for the nexus 5 but not as important for android 4.4 kitkat so first of all we've talked about the Moto X a little bit so let's segue right into that a lot of people have been wondering are we going to get the same kind of ambient listening stuff that we have with the Moto X in the Nexus 5 and with Android 4.4 and the answer is sort of if you are on your home screen you can now say ok Google and tell it to do something play music navigate to somewhere do a search whatever you do that now from the launcher itself you don't have to launch Google now and then go into that it doesn't sound like it's going to be ambient as it is with the Moto X so we're not going to quite get that and that makes sense because we don't have the dedicated processor like we do in the Moto X with the the nexus 4 but it opens the question might we have that with other devices down the road look with qik app and that question is is unknown going back to where we were it's going to be faster not just because of the hardware make it fun of Steve in there but because it they've gone through Google's gone through and made a lot of optimizations to memory usage not just in the operating system but in the core apps so everything is going to be quite a bit faster multitasking is faster it's got a lighter footprint so what that means is you're not going to need the latest and greatest hardware to be able to run this OS it should run on older hardware every bit as good as the current versions of Android do on those hardware and even better on up level versions like what we have supporting the 800 processor whatnot in there and other high-end processors and other devices when we eventually see those running running KitKat someone is saying you can say ok Google when the screen is off I don't think that's true now I know the Snapdragon 800 does support the ambient processing sort of capabilities where you can do that kind of stuff but uh and as I say that Joe drops off sorry next time Joe the next time joe says that t-mobile 3g doesn't just find he doesn't need l to eat let's all remind him of this moment shall we I don't know I I think that well 44.4 is just a minor a minor point upgrade Joe just joined us again Joe we made fun of you at your PT minus PA plus buddy people hspa+ man what are you talking about I'm Wi-Fi to the building a street so snap oh alright it's either that or LG G our exes for right so yeah all right so tell me the last I heard was somebody saying that you can say ok Google when the screen is off I haven't heard that either everything that I've seen has just been on the home screen on one of your home screens you can say that that's what I think i read on google's description of it yeah little blog post here is what I got from them quote you don't need to touch the screen to get things done when your home screen or when you're on your home screen or in Google now just say okay google launched voice search send a text get directions or even play a song there's an Astra stored over that which says currently only available on the Nexus 5 so that doesn't sound cool but we'll see how they how they do to integrate that any more questions there or do you want to go on to other gusta what else do we get from kid can what other enhancements okay so core apps they've done a lot in the core apps one of the main things they've done is making the whole communication sweet a lot more integrated better more intelligent so in your let's start out with a really cool thing you now have integrated color ID with your dialer so if you get a call from somebody that's not in your address book it's going to try and figure out who is calling you so it can show you that caller ID most of that seems like it's just business stuff rather than personal but it'll be interesting to see how they do that not only you can you can enter the contacts app and if you don't have a number entered you it'll like you can do reverse lookup as well right and you can do you just start like type in pizza into your contacts app and it will find a local bit like that's awesome oh yeah that's that is that's the other side of that so the outgoing stuff when you're making a call I it's going to automatically prioritize your contacts based on the people that are most important to you but it's also going to search for nearby businesses and even people in your Google Apps domain so if your company your school whoever it is like pocket now we use a Google Apps domain it will search for people in that now as well so it's it's do a lot to make that contacting people a lot nicer and smoother next we've got the big hangouts google voice integration that we thought was coming a long time ago is a google voice integration I thought it was just as a stock SMS I didn't see anything about google voice because if it's google voice that means I'm incredibly excited I'm worried if it's always its moist I thought it was hey nah it's just stuck at SMS unfortunately it's dark as me is it yeah it doesn't know how man now that that paired with and I read that one they worded that trickily but you can even sync your google voice to your messages app so can you still do that with the hangouts update you should be able to I would believe and I'm going to have to double check my other source because the one that I'm reading right now confirms what you're saying but the one that I was reading before implied that this is the same type of update like we saw on iOS so I've got to go back and confirm that i will have an article up on this later today hopefully within the next hour or so so we'll have all of the information there if any of this is incorrect but you now even can send animated gifts they include that as a feature so that feature the immunology don't forget the emoji no I'm not going to do that and the last but certainly not the least power feature if you will is being able to print whenever you want wherever you want this is a feature that employees google cloud print which is something we've been able to do through an app in the Play Store but now it's built into the core OS so all kinds of neat the main thing the main babies raise your hand if you have a printer everybody know you know where i go for new parents of my videos are we like are we yeah he now like what's going on how do we carry but print on a dick but that's that's just it Taylor if this will let you print to wherever you need to so if you need to print that hotel reservation or need to print that ticket or need to print a map for somebody and you're at Kinkos or you're at someplace else that has a google cloud connected printer like those places will you can send that information directly over there and get an old-fashioned cut down the trees version of that information no cable is it was likely not the little cloud connected either it's all know it's totally worthwhile like everything Joe is saying is absolutely useful I just can't stop laughing whenever somebody talks about printing as a feature like it's just it's hilarious it's like putting a diesel engine on a horse-drawn carriage way no Troy why not just did you widen it right Ron deadly wrong decade voice calls a big feature mm there you go so ultimately the big take home behind behind kitkat behind the 4.4 version of this is the new launcher it's the the new streamlined apps and making them all very very lightweight so that it's going to be able to run on a lot of the not only current hardware Nexus 5 notwithstanding but the stuff that you have in your pocket today but also the older stuff and the the kind of lower end stuff I think they're doing this kind of to combat the whole Android is laggy thing that before complaining about with the the lower end devices and I think it's probably a really good way to do it yeah but I think it's very optimistic of Google putting this 512 megabyte support in now I think the mind if I release a lot of phones with them which ram have moved on and aren't issuing updates anymore yeah guys that's probably so yes but this is a question that I have Joe I mean we have a report from from the verge that says that Google is not going to be upgrading the Galaxy Nexus to android 4.4 why less or all of that by the way I don't understand why that would be I mean it clearly if they're making an OS that can run on lower spec hardware nexus one can run this yeah so basically and I'm glad you brought this up because the irony is thick google has a habit of upgrading the one down version of of their devices so the nexus 4 they've already committed to we're going to see Andrew 4.4 on the Nexus 4 quote in the coming weeks so whether that's two weeks four weeks a month and a half I don't know but we'll see it the next version down we won't not officially and that's the same thing they did last time but the point you're making is they are making this version of Android specifically capable of running on very very relatively low end hardware so you think they would break that rule and go ahead and publish it and I like what Jaime always say it go down and do it on the nexus s just to show that it can be done for all 12 people who still have a nexus s show them you can do it and it runs great wait bottle 12 people who have a nexus s whose devices weren't braked by a google update in which if they weren't half of them were probably would be right with this one but sweet done this is just an irony I mean even the the nexus one that was left behind with Gingerbread even that phone can Marcus yeah according to what they say it should be able to and it was designed specifically to be able to do that now to us or not as a as my favorite driver in Grand Theft Auto 5 says this don't make no effing sense yeah and Joe to finish up with android 4.4 probably the biggest rumor I guess didn't happen that so you can't that Android launcher is not made available for everyone yes not yet at least they said it's not going to happen yeah they specifically mentioned that well they specifically mentioned the launcher by name they're calling it what the Nexus launcher I forget what it is but I can know that that's the first time I think I've ever seen them a note the name of the launcher it's always just been part of Android so I think they're setting themselves up to be able to do that but as of right now no it's not and I wouldn't do it if I were them because I'd want people to go out and buy my latest hardware before I release stuff that makes old hardware look like my new hardware they're sold out so they can do it now all right what okay go out thank God that's in the fly story okay so that would be Android 4.4 I guess but the takeaway that we've got left here is compared to so we have our resident number one reviewer who's pretty much reviewed absolutely everything that's gone through our pocket now laughs mr. Michael Fisher everything ever every no I ok so you've pretty much reviewed everything out there Michael how do you see this phone stacked up we go back to the conversation of your thoughts on the design and how does it stack up to everything else out there if there's one thing I've learned it's that not a lot of the people in the populace and the general populace outside of gig circles care all that much about hardware aesthetics which is why we have this landscape of very very similar-looking hardware so the Nexus 5 is not going to have any trouble because of that I mean it's it's not and Google is never really positioned the Nexus line as this is this flagship class that needs to sell millions and millions of units to be considered a success even though we'll sell quite a bit and I think it'll probably sell more than any other units but I mean there's a lot of competition out there and not least of which is from Android and I'd you know it's I don't know I because you don't need to sell so many Nexus devices what needs to be you know why do why does it need to compete effectively you know I mean you have all these phones out there that are selling for less on contract not off contract certainly but nobody in the u.s. buys phones off contract so I don't know I don't know about that anymore the titles on a big big big rise yeah rise yes they don't do contra now this is like the big break for t-mobile I mean if t-mobile would set it upon themselves to buy all the Nexus 5's for themselves and having tonight they're actually you can't happen so you know like I have a I have a pretty good pulse on the your finger on the pulse of what normal people are talking about because I have a lot of friends who are Luddites and who are not in our business and they often ask me things but they're not really your friends Michael about cellular telephony and you know what you know what they ask me how about a lot of stuff you know what not a single one of them has ever asked me about ever what's t-mobile doing these days they be none of the people in the Northeast in my experience know that tmobile exists so I don't know I baby may not ask you for gigabit t-mobile what's a tree yeah they know you hate it and they know you're not gonna say anything nice and you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all you know no i like i like i like what they're doing but so i don't know you know the the t-mobile destiny is not tied to the nexus 5 destiny i mean this thing is gonna is going to do some interesting stuff I don't know there's so much out there is joel eva is fond of saying there's so much out there on the market it's such a great time to be alive because there is so much out there um the nexus 5 will stand out thanks to its google backing but i don't necessarily see it lighting the world on fire outside of the circles of people who really appreciate it oh it's not supposed to it's absolutely not supposed to whole thing the kick whole thing off so i was trying to say before is that i don't know if i can answer you because i don't understand the purpose of the question because when you have a product that doesn't need to succeed what the hell is it the point is the success is measured by showcasing the latest version of Android and doing so at a price for the in this case the top-of-the-line hardware that is almost half the price of what everybody else is selling their top-of-the-line hardware for they're showing that it can be done and they're showing that you it eventually you're going and I have to keep your prices low to be able to do this and if you look at the strategy it's working google is taking over the world who else can do this who else can like google with the samsung good it has its own content what I wouldn't want to know yet Microsoft Google can lose money on this and Microsoft yet has shown that for three years they've been burning money on windows phone because they can but like how long how long are you going to do this and what does it ultimately matter y su showcasing Android yes you're you're driving prices down in your own ecosystem but I don't know if that's gonna if that is going to create a competitive impulse and everyone else to be like oh god we'd samsung we got to lower our price in the galaxy s4 from 7 49 50 five it doesn't make any sense I'll give you a couple of examples do we all remember when you all remember when the first iphone was launched Michael you actually made the line to buy the phone now the 3g i bought yeah you made the line for the 3g okay so when the first iphone was launched obviously it was five hundred dollars on contract but back then you had you had four if you wanted to get a blackberry pearl or a razor I think those phones were between 300 and 350 dollars on contract there were some crazy pricings back in two thousand seven for you to get phones on contract and then the following year after all the success of the first iPhone Apple comes out of the blue and says this is the new iphone 3g and now it's going to be two hundred dollars on contract and that ever since that launch of the iphone 3g the the market price for high-end smartphones has been two hundred dollars two hundred dollars on contract twenty dollars on contract and it's remained that way um so we could say that that was an example of a disruptive you know a great phone that was so disruptive that it made everybody drop their price the same thing happened with the first Nexus 7 you know we had a market of five hundred dollar tablets and when when they least expected you know amazon tried to do it with the kindle but it wasn't strong enough so comes out pool with their nexus 7 everybody's like okay $200 is the price for the small tablets let's do that and everybody's doing that I think you're downplaying the Kindles effect on that I think Amazon really had a big impact when the kindle fire came out I mean that was it was a big deal he was a very good rough but it was it was a big deal I don't think tala tablets are analogous to smartphones in this sense i mean your iphone example the very good one the difference is the iphone was a groundbreaking shift in how smartphones operated the Nexus 5 is not that good one hood of improvement good point good point now now that that being said I feel that sure I mean it's not it it's not disruptive enough when it comes to technology I just feel that the phone is so future proof that you know the only problem that I see right now and this is probably my perspective is the distribution of this phone if this phone were available on every barrier today and if this phone were available on best buy target and just about every store today and Google really focused on distributing this phone hard kind of how they did with the nexus 7 at least on certain retailers then I would feel that this phone would be disruptive enough to drop the price of the market I feel that the problem is the distribution um Nick Nexus 5 headed to sprint t-mobile amazon best buy and radioshack in the coming days that's todd haselton of TechnoBuffalo bitch a second realities and to somepony okay so sorry i just saw that it i want to take michael in the Wayback Machine just for a minute yeah I love that machine Michael D do you remember way back when there were rumors about Google coming out with a google phone or dunkin 3g one yeah and google denied it we are not making a google phone there's not going to be a google phone blah blah blah way before and then people started thinking wait a minute google does everything for free everything they offer is free so if google comes out with a phone it's going to be for free action people were thinking free cell phone free service free hardware free everything which we all know wasn't true right but everybody was kind of getting stoked about what if it's free what if it's free passwords today we have something where you said they're losing money we're still paying for it not but not as much as we could be or could otherwise event so are we getting to the point now where we're starting to realize the fact that Google is making enough money off of us and selling our information to other people that they're really not losing the money on the devices they're making a whole boatload of money on that well we're the product that's being sold not both yeah so do you think that's where we are now if we finally realize that free phone mentality that we had originally yet we would be if if the Nexus line was what was driving Android sales but it's not you know it's what's driving Android is is skinned to tell Samsung devices that do not resemble anything like the the nexus 10 model we go back to the distribution topic Michael why is the galaxy s such a popular phone in my country it is simply because I've already seen four people on the street with a galaxy note 3 I was I pulled it out of the box i was like oh my god i'm gonna be like the first guy here with a note 3 this is gonna be freaking awesome and i just go to the mall to go look for a case a note 2 case for this phone and i walk into the store and they're like oh you got it do you bite at the other store because we already have it and then I see three guys they're sitting down buying them and they're like and we've already got the cases we that's a Confed me and and I've only seen one HTC one ever since April in it launched so for me it's a distribution issue the galaxy is popular simply because it's the biggest smartphone that's available everywhere it's not a better ability i'm at large market arcing work on our policy marketing marketing and availability fine let's let's join those two things together sure move your 9010 yet yeah let's try those fun things together but you know don't go back to the topic I do feel that if what joe just said sorry Taylor just said we just lost Joe goodbye Joe New Mexico any carriers no more driving to do hang out okay you know if this phone is going to be available on these carriers and think about it if sprint would do the bull thing of offering this phone free on contract I would be bold that would be very deep pockets now that they're owned by softbank's so I mean that's that would be a really interesting move on their part absolutely I mean think about it this would be the first google phone literally that would actually it has the capability and the pricing from google to be a free on contract phone yeah that would be amazing i mean that sounds a lot more like something t-mobile would do but that would be cool if sprint took the opportunity to usurp them to just be it's not gonna help them though so great people dozens have contracts I can't do that yeah no temptation saying that this would be big on sprint I'm saying that if AT&T and and Verizon and the rest of the carriers would pull this phone free on contract now that would be disrupted what I want to know is what t-mobile is going to sell this thing for as you know like in terms of installments because if they're selling it at the Google price so 350 or 400 dollars on your your installments are gonna be like fifteen dollars a month I really think that's unlikely though I mean no I mean last year with the nexus 4 they sold it for what five hundred bucks yeah I mean anything whatever 5f get up over the the base price yeah but that was it that was a different that was a different t-mobile remember that well so I mean that that's that's compelling if you can get a phone and finance it for ten or fifteen dollars a month no contract unlimited LTE patient's a great camera LTE I mean why not it's t-mobile and it will sell in very respectable numbers it will never sell it will never take over the the driving force of Android unless it's marketed as well as there are two Joe's in the ribbon and unless its record as well is ready I need to say before I give up the floor I there are three things that are happening one we're all having great time talking to we all need to be writing something and three I was he so we could go soon yeah this was supposed to this thing guys sorry I guess the the conversation just got so carried out regardless we've got some opposing thoughts up some people love this phone I do some people are not really surprised by this phone like Michael which is great for that that's that's the way the market behaves I guess the biggest takeaway is that if Google would figure out a way to get the carrier's involved with this phone and sell it and give this phone free on contract or for three hundred fifty dollars off contract this could be again you can buy an iphone 5s 16 gigs for 650 unlocked and then it's it's two hundred dollars on contract so there is no reason why a free on contract would not work for this phone if carriers would jump on prepaid or even a lot 49 or prepaid get some big assumptions about what Google would charge the carrier's though and I don't think it's selling the phone at a loss to begin with I just think it's not making any profit if it's going to sell to the carrier involved I think it's going to want to profit off this well $350 is already rocketing but what we'll see we'll see i guess i don't friends with some bracing breaking news here i'm a hit dad according to HTC USA's Twitter account customers who love candy LOL kit kat is coming to the HTC one in the u.s. in 90 days how big magazines I mean we need it up guys having nestle your rather thoroughly about the upgrade process that manufacturers that the dance that goes you're using the galaxy phone expected by the end of next year sure whatever hip into the Android partner program or whatever it was called yeah that didn't marry it's terrible but let's wrap this gentleman because michael is not the only person that needs to go to the bathroom right now final class mr. Martin I have a lot to right are you buying I will buy probably eventually not right now i'm probably i'm enjoying the note 3 still so not immediately but i will eventually buy it i bought 2 nexus fours and two galaxies nexuses and a nexus s and to nexus ones so odds are i'll probably buy one or two eventually it's not if but when you can buy two so they're not lonely mr. jolie my final thoughts are you you're definitely buying your online is yeah mine's already bought it was in the first batch it's yeah it should be here soon it's the 32 getting quite for all who want to know but ironically i already have that spy junne ultrafit case which is black alright alright mr. michael fisher you have my galaxy nexus my friend so and you know you after you're done with your review of the nexus 5 and since you don't like the phone I'm sure you're gonna put it in the box and ship it cylinders that chance okay so you already have a phone ordered because you're gonna review it but yeah that's not having the review you know will come in now listen I don't want it I don't want to say they're not happy I'm excited to see what the hell this thing is all about and to get inside it and use it would I buy personally probably not any everything that it does my Moto X essentially already does except for the whole picture thing which are crappy on this but no I'm very much looking forward to get inside of it i'm sure that 1500 commenters are already preparing their their rebuttals to any negative thing I have to say about anything about it but no arrest assured I am maintaining an open mind and I'm actually really really jazzed for it show at my door and there was something else I was going to say but I forgot oh yeah the Moto X is going to get kik head as well soon according to motorola i will tell you Michael that I will require ransom and I for your ad 3 so something happened to either my or your you were suddenly like Daft Punk I don't know what you were saying it's awesome to miss anessa five is the ransom for your iPad 30 you know you can go ahead and keep that brother alright Steven final thoughts I'm really curious st you Steven because you're not like oh I'm crazy to get the newest latest phone I'm on the fence about this fact while we were talking here I a muted my mic I went back over check if they were in stock I almost ordered one I'm on the fence though I love the hardware it's just I'm not completely sold on android 4.4 and this ever encroaching everything's google+ I I got to try it out first of my nexus 4 I think before I commit to a new phone that's going to be 4.4 from the start but i'm really tempted to the bust em know something went wrong there no but nobody knows what you're saying Taylor get it open yeah all I heard was a bar you