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like all the different types of rain in Forrest Gump news in the mobile tech space comes in a variety of forms sometimes it's a big sloppy swirl around a single device other times it's a sprinkling of a groomer from all over the landscape and other times most times in fact it's a cocktail of rumor and hard news spanning all four platforms and all three major form factors but it's especially true this week and we're here to bring it to you episode 080 of the pocket now weekly the once a week audio podcast where we discuss mobile technology smart phones tablets wearables most things in between I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and joining me for today's show are the indefatigable multimedia manager Jaime Rivero good afternoon to you empathetic about what is that inverse my addiction action here grab your to Saurus fancy boy good afternoon to you my friend how are you oh I've had better days I've had worse days I'm right in the middle but also here proofreading a piece to go live very soon pocketnow is leading champion of headwear senior editor Taylor Martin hey man hello and i feel kind of like i don't deserve that title right now cuz i'm not wearing a hat you're not wearing a hat right now and you have a new haircut which i understand is it makes you look like a jarhead what does no I actually don't know I'm just guessing it would I don't know what your hair looks like oh I just buzzed all off and yeah I haven't when I had in two days I'm good to know what the ventilating the cranium like some kind of professional that's not I'm not my ego was expanding in my hats were getting a little tight if you want to run cool you've got to run on heavy fuel that's it I don't know what that means but yes dire straits with debris regarding hats I'm on parole for time served I used the head for all of high school used up to the baseball baseball cap yeah I up to the point where I just I can't see those things anymore like seriously I get a headache kind of using them I got to get you when I got Tony a Red Sox cap i got to get you a well yes Red Sox is fine they're the champs I'll get you a USS Enterprise cap haha we've got a cover show together for that to happen again I'm looking forward to the next time that happens maybe they us maybe next time yes yeah what are you gonna buy me a pup head and I can buy you nothing Oh jury I know that's mean I know exactly I just made myself very sad well listen guys I've been gone for a week in Florida for a family vacation and we're so we're here to catch up on what's been happening and unfortunately listeners we love the mail that you have sent in as you know we make every effort to get it on almost every show sadly this is going to be one of the weeks that we skip it because there's just too much to talk about but I promise you we will be getting to it hopefully next week it's soon in any case so thank you for your patience on that I've asked hi Mae and Taylor to be especially familiar with the rundown today which should be fine because most of what's in the rundown is stuff that they've either commented on written originally or know something about but guys what or bashed in the pocket now Haley yeah exactly oh by the way I don't know how long you've been doing the pocket no daily roundup this this format like you let into this the what do you call it the pocket and weekly review know the really the rehab that's it yeah I don't know how long you've been leading into that with an assortment of tweets from your readers or to comment yeah that's hilarious I'm if you haven't seen it you first of all you should watch the pocket of daily because that's how I get most of my tech news in the morning and I'm it just kicked it off with a bunch of comments just basically what assaulting your delivery right so yeah there it's either of my name not being able to pronounce it or the fact that I speak too fast I loved your response that is like as long if you slowed it down by like eighty percent we could hear you and you're like what if you listen to like twenty percent faster you can hear me better seriously come on how else do you expect me to keep it under three minutes it's a good point and you know we could we could learn something from you hi may I here on the podcast that always goes over time every time but yeah I admire your mmm what brevity there we go that's the word speaking of which while Taylor is finishing proofreading his peace and may be hitting the publish button who knows we're going to jump into Android Taylor are you okay for that yeah I'm fine I'm trying to work through this really long are we're actually gonna talk about the your favorite phone the one you most enjoyed reviewing oh yeah by all means leave me out of this discussion actually know that I find that actually more interesting than than the phone itself these are you let's lift the veil on this mystery hi my tell us what's going on here I still don't understand I mean why would it be more appealing to you so the Sony Xperia Z ultra is now on sale at its Wi-Fi only variant which would mean that instead of paying six hundred eighty bucks for the you know cell phone capable one you pay four hundred fifty dollars now for this I just I don't understand what the point of this phone or tablet is what you can pay you can buy three you could buy two Nexus 7's for that amount or three for the amount of the you know of the cell phone capable one and have a happier experience Taylor yeah I'm kind of in the same boat on like I agree I don't understand why it exists but I think it's kind of compelling in that it's actually just a tablet so it's bringing the tablet size down into the phablet category and it's just that to me is interesting that doesn't necessarily mean I want to buy it especially not for the price the price is the the hard selling point what is the ice yeah 550 barks 450 yeah yeah so when you compare that to something like the g pad or the nexus 7 or any of that stuff it's it's it's expensive it's too expensive but in the same respect it's a very premium device the display is very high resolution the the battery life is great at least it was with with cellular connectivity so without that it must be even better they have a good the processor as well yeah the performance is mind-blowing the phone itself is a powerhouse and in terms of build quality and all that it's far superior to to the nexus 7 the g pad or any of the other Android tablets in the same smaller category it's the hard and build quality is phenomenal oh come now great yes yeah but the problem I have that is the size like if why carry like you would not carry a phone and a six inch tablet right like that to me just doesn't quite make sense i mean i guess she's time is it's right in that same neighborhood as the seven answer right yeah so whoa yes like i did a six point four inch by the way it's six if we have to if we're going to talk about this kind of size discrepancy we do have to note that it's almost six and a half inches I know it sounds like splitting hairs but that's you know that's significant yeah and i did a size comparison I mean it's far closer to the size of the nexus 7 than it is say that the note 3 sure and and if you're carrying a phone that's like five inches why carry a phone and a tablet that's 6.5 and like what if you don't want to carry a phone that's like five inches like what if now say well yeah yeah you want to carry like the Moto X so so if you're carrying like the z1 compact that would be a great combination yeah yeah we're like a Lumia 925 just a diversity sake for the iphone yeah I mean if you're doing that sort of mix-up that's a very nice combination because the the Z ultra would still fit and something like a coat pocket or your pants pocket if you have bagged your pants that i'm wearing jinko xia i was about to say but but but yet it is very slim and you can fit it in a lot of pucks yeah so i think what you're saying is that it's an it would be an okay combination but not a lot of people are going to go for that given what the pricing the pricing and i think the size and I think there's kind of a balance that you need out of a tablet and I think a 10 inch tablet for many people as we've seen I'm writing about this right now actually or this is what I'm proofreading is that smaller tablets are becoming far more popular than we probably ever imagined because I remember saying way back in the day that small tablets were useless because they weren't big enough to really make any sort of or provide a benefit over a smartphone but they were you know it was just kind of this grey area that they lived in and that's where this is now like 7-inch tablets we we were okay with then we like them and then the six inch or 6.5 area is kind of a it's a weasel weird yeah yeah but let me tell you though I think I'm going to say something here that I think is true and I didn't come to this realization till just now if I were given the option between the new Nexus 7 and this the sony xperia z ultra tablet i would probably go for the sony product because i'm not losing that much screen real estate and i really really like the improvement in industrial design from my perspective and the build quality and the waterproofness we can't discount that as well yeah I can agree with you in that I would actually own this if if and only if it came in a google play edition variant oh and probably well right I mean the phone does I hope so that'd be great and it would be cheaper maybe not actually maybe not they're not usually cheap addictively agreed and then I was like yes yeah but I would actually probably do a last-minute audible and change um my car mod because because actually the the 6.5 inch x64 form factor or 6.4 actually fits my stereo space a little better so there you go so we have to mention here that this is in Japan right now we don't have any international release right now right yeah so okay if you're amped on this I think that I think this is a cool thing I think I wrote a piece actually when the Z ultra was announced that was something the headline was something like let's call the Xperia Z ultra what it is a tablet that makes phone calls because that's what it is now that I can't make it's a Tony tap it's a Tony Tony it's a Tony phone yet yeah so I don't know I think that it's a good thing I don't see any reason why it shouldn't exist my only beef would be my only thing i would change would be like I wish they had just done gone this way in the first place because I don't see what real benefit the phone offers other than cellular connectivity and making you look ridiculous when you talk on it this should we talk about the other so many product that's in the block here I think this one's going to appeal to a few more people right honey the Xperia z2 I I still at freak for example I really haven't held the xperia z1 yet I did love the ZL that I had that I reviewed but the z2 is interesting because it's it's pretty much a z1 and just about everything it's got almost the same specifications up to the dock the only difference is that this phone so what we have is now leaks of the photos of it compared to the z1 and first of all we're getting is a taller phone and a slimmer phone but it's really the same phone one of the other of one of the rumors that's been talked about probably by the end of last week was that there was a plastic panel instead of a glass panel so I'm just thinking that this is just a carrier variant of the z1 for some region we just don't know which one yet well it might be I mean when t-mobile requested alterations to the z1s it was a plastic chassis not a not you know it didn't affect the glass on the outside I don't believe yeah maybe that's a carrier very but it would be a different different request I'm looking at the pictures right now the blurry cam photos and you know I got to be honest unless they're really big like the Z ultra we just talked about Sony and how it's all kind of bleed together to me they're all really fairly slim they all have a sort of pronounced mid played on the sides they've got that big old button that I don't think looks very good and compared to the tablets and maybe you guys are going to think I'm wrong here they always look a little too thick to me like the compact looks a little thick to me this is e2 looks a little I don't mean to thicken the sense of like oh it's so thick but relative like I said compared to the tablets which are really thin from a well you know the tablets are ridiculous no I wish them but I wish the phones were that way as well I mean maybe they would be too fragile in that case and I'm a you might disagree with me because you wrote an editorial making the opposite point right yeah I mean I wouldn't mind the thicker phone like a letter a little room and yeah I really wouldn't mind I I guess that I it's not that I disagree with you guys I just I really like Sony's design lately I just wish there you I would evolve into something different time look on screen shots and like yeah that's way familiar isn't it yeah it's it's the problem is I've I so I've been using that you I since the expiry s and it's it's not a bad you I it's just starting to look dated I would rather use stock Android on a sony design phone yes then then having that you I seriously but it's not an ugly you I I think you're not it's just aging a little bit it's it's just aging is that weird I mean are we just unreasonable about this because I feel like I've been saying this a lot of course who have we been beating up most on this guy's Sampson thank you weapon of on Sam's I'm for TouchWiz for so long because we're so tired of looking at it but then before that we did it to iOS and before that I'm sure we did it to some other OEM I can't think oh it was probably the earlier sense yes exactly the CC sense so are we I I wonder if a study could be conducted that would generate any usable data about the relative fickleness of the tech press compared to the actual tech consumers yeah well real people are this of this fickle I don't when one good example would be the launch of the first iPad alright we fully bashed it all the industry everybody everybody was disappointed by the first iPad and when you least expect that apple sold a million in 10 days you know it was pandemonium at that launch of the first iPad yeah and you know it's just to give you an idea of course of course the tech press determines a lot of things and yeah but we do it the thing is obviously we are we are in a little bubble where we can actually compare everything right uh where as everybody else doesn't and depending on the marketing that will really determine if they're gonna buy or not I guess or the availability yeah well that's the Sony news of the week this should be this is fuel for excitement for for a lot of Sony fans and for the industry as a whole we're still trying to get our hands on the z1 compact for review by the way listeners and we are also slated to receive a z1s a lot of reviews have already gone up on that one will be second wave on that or or something similar but I'm looking forward to it because I think this will be my first opportunity in a very long time to review a t mobile device so I'm looking forward to see how their network improvements have gone in my area so if any event he I'm really looking forward to that this is something I've wanted to explore for a while you know it's john legere is doing his crazy stuff the carrier is working to change a lot of things in the industry and yet i have not been able to participate in any of that because frankly it just doesn't work where I live and I know I'm not lying on that please can I correct you um yeah yeah he tweeted the pronunciation of his name the other day oh it's not Legere no it's ledger a ledger no kidding yeah he tweeted because he said it was something like um he said the pronunciation of my last name is ledger sort of like AT&T is about to jump off the ledge or something like that Wow yeah I'm with me I'm gonna need to tweet the pronunciation of my name I need to him yeah I don't think there are enough ours in the in the tweet space yeah can you tweet your pronunciation not the pronunciation but your specific pronunciation yeah negative I have done I mean I don't have to unfollow John ledger pretty soon not because it's not cool but because it kind of like all that account does is retweet people who are like I just left t-mobile hashtag breakup hashtag but like the same exact but I'm like I don't need to see your picture of you in the a in the t-mobile store like I'm you know we don't need to do that anyway let's let's move on we're not talking on tmobile right now we're talking about a manufacturer that of course we're big fans of here at least two of us i think motorola 3x three of us okay Motorola is unsatisfied with the moto g's freaking groundbreaking price point of 179 apparently because the company has dennis woodside the CEO and a recent interview with who's this trusted reviews has been talking about the idea of a smartphone more affordable than the Moto G so the exact quote is why can't these devices be 50 bucks there's no reason that can't happen so we're going to push that so no mean good on him I know this is awesome now we have seen this right we've seen this in the in another platform on windows phone with the Lumia 525 20 15 25 yeah the other day it was available for twenty dollars or thirty dollars with a contract yeah I feel like buying ten of those and just giving them away in the neighborhood for Christmas it's like that's cheaper than your average Christmas gift so it's so ridiculous kidney do you really feel like doing that because I felt like doing that yeah I think I talked about this when we were I wanted to do that moto g vs lumia 520 video that i did a couple weeks back Anna it was so cheap that I just wanted to run down to the microsoft store and get it and when Nokia told us that they could give us one to review a loner you know there was a strange little part of me inside that kind of felt disappointed I was like but I wanted to go buy one like just just the novelty of going out to buy something that cheap that shouldn't be that cheap is it that in and of itself is exciting right yeah definitely crazy so imagine we see something like this on the Android side Motorola has proved they can do low price excellent performance with the Moto G do you think that they can maintain that though down to the fifty dollar price point what do you think Jaime well in the case of KitKat that actually opens the it gives you the ability to do that it's capable of running great on lesser hardware right so you know it does open the door for let you know KitKat and motorola are gonna kill the spec race if they continue this route if they can they can figure out how to pump some more money in their marketing and they do push that fifty dollar phone on whatever Snapdragon processor you want that doesn't have to be beefed up not much RAM at least they guessed as long as they give us expandable storage if they can figure that out that's gonna be a hit I mean fifty dollars that's not available that's that's like when the nexus 7 was first announced I just went ballistic trying to buy it I don't know I didn't need it just because it costs 200 bucks exactly seriously ya know exactly if something gets cheap enough to where you are bowled over by how cheap it is and it's not some stupid black friday sale or whatever like that itself is an incentive to buy it's crazy i'm sure there's like finance students out there are have a better handle on this i'm sure there's a term for this i'm just kind of riffing but I was so taken by the Moto G that I decided to keep it for as long as motorola would let us keep it just because event you know how it is eventually we're gonna have to doing after the buzz will have to do a throwback if we keep it for three years whatever but you know I was like how can I trick this out so I was shopping for colored backs on it the other day because you know the colored cases that they announced yeah well clove has him and I was like I want to get a different color for this thing so I can me and then I was like no idiot you you have a moto x so why don't you think about looking at those new options that just launched and that's of course the next topic not run down I'm about to say I will do you need my shipping address for your current moto extra this is I'm jealous I'm sure you I'm sure you're gonna get a I'm sure you're gonna get a wooden variant do you know how badly I wanted I just gonna get a black front with ebony back and black accents I want that's not black accents no no no no I wouldn't do that that's two more x I feel like if you do black accents like you're wasting that customization level yeah I felt the same way when I was going through moto maker with it but nothing else look nice you know it was nice but Evan a skill silver looks nice with ebony yeah looks cheesy it didn't like it easynote didn't listen anyway I wanted to do blue I wanted to do and then you know what what it is though on moto maker when the ebony one is spinning around that wood is really dark and it kind of I'm a little worried there's no frickin shallow i am i'm a little worried that people would be able to tell that it's a wooden phone that it'll be too dark that you that you'll have to come home look so then I'm like oh sure get the bamboo one oh no it's got a white trim on the back oh but I kind of a black face but then it's like black front white trim bamboo back me I don't wanna do that I don't like the way I don't like the way silver looks on it you're you're weird you're weird and moto moto maker shouldn't sound shouldn't be called moto maker should be pimped my phone or something like Oh sent my phone service well then I started getting intrigued by the walnut because the walnut slightly lighter but that's that would just doesn't have as much character is 70 if you ask me Oh ebony is stronger by the way it's a stronger would yeah it is mm-hmm I'd love to see a mahogany one me too now interestingly they they have used I'm confused sorry mahogany is stronger I don't know again sarva well they have these more rare this is strength and wonder if anybody's asked about this because or if I just got something wrong at the Moto X event but when they were announced the wooden prototypes we saw where evony bamboo what signal teak ebony BAM boutique and cherry but the cherry has been replaced by walnut and I wonder why that is I think the cherry was made out of cedar or no is cheriya would type in the in the united states by the way is not enough i mean it it might sound like an idiot is cherry already like representing thing is the thing is cedar is so red i don't know what else she could be redder than cedar like all the doors in my apartment or read our cedar they're like beyond red and that's like very that's a very light and it's not a strong wood ya see when you actually search for Moto X cherry you get a lot of returns for the cherry cherry red and Taylor's just dropped a link into the chat with his super Google skills yeah red cherry wood grain dark cherry wood grain yeah I mean cherry trees right yeah all right yeah yeah we don't see those we don't see those down here listen to all of us listen that like we're so did we r such tech heads that we can't remember what trees are like exist yeah like if you had a class of that in high school come on man I learned those things because I actually worked with what when I was a teenager but not because that's like the average to the TV might know my father's a genius would woodworker like for real I should know these things and I don't anyway the pricing on the Moto X is it a little nice surprise the bamboo one had a little bit of sticker shock was $15 premium above but these are all just a $25 extra a hundred-dollar premium initially oh that's right it was a hundred and it was 100 but now it's ya see five bucks extra which i think is great and so it makes me just regret buying mine ok the question is gentlemen do would you really pay for a wooden phone yes heck yeah absolutely without you that's a question we're like we're audibly drooling over here I may we have been for 10 minutes but am I am I the only non believer here no and you you're not but I explain your position that I don't know what looks like wood on a phone I guess I would just have to hold the phone and if for example Michael you've held the wooden phones yeah do they feel different no they feel the same because they have a they have a finish on them that you know supposedly protects the wood from moisture and such a thing like that so they feel a lot like the regular ol backs because all the bags girls saying whether their weave or not in my experience is untrue I think they feel the same you know the matte finish feels significantly more premium than the weave oh I can't again with that I don't know I feel the same in my friend I'm never go to the AT&T store and check that out oh by the way I haven't both well I have one of them but I've had both we have different fingers well you know we've we've soft touch fingers the two they're just different well I guess the point being is for example I am a fan of what I am a fan of wooden touches and vehicles and like when I buy furniture and stuff for me what nexans are extremely important for me to buy something and I am the type of guy that's willing to pay extra money for a good wooden finish I just I guess I guess again my problem like with the pebble and we're gonna talk about that later on is the fact that I would rather I have to that's one of those things that I have to try to have to try out and but the cool thing is again with moto maker you give it a try you don't like it 15 days return it also in that same vein hi MA in the comments on this article we have a user called 775 summit who asked who said i wish i could get the wood back for the phone i currently have I would think I could snap the back off and put a new wood back on possibly well of course that's not really the case but Stephen shank then responded no promises but Motorola Mobility was asked by another user william warren are you going to swap out plastic backs for wood ? ? ? to which motorola mobility replied stay tuned for more updates mm-hmm is that a sty social media response but no that's a stock social yeah I know but motorist witter account is actually pretty cool though like they engaged like humans they don't you know they don't always just fart out crap I don't know what that means I don't know what that means yeah but I could name a couple of companies that do just everyone falls into that trap at some point anyway speaking of which before I forget this two things number one I'm very disappointed that this moto maker news has come out that these wooden phones are available now because it's the same week that my favorite the star trek uniform ever is being recreated by a custom costume maker and it costs like a thousand dollars so i feel very difficult choice to make and by the way it's all fake money i don't have that much money just lying around of course i'm gonna be indebted rest of my life but more importantly speaking of AT&T who was the I'm sorry you just have me in shock you're paying a thousand dollars for Star Trek costs technically I'm technically I'm not because I can't but I want to you understand i want to pay for that and i want to pay for them the wooden Moto X you know I thought that the amount of Barcelona jerseys that I had was was weird you know we're all we're all fanatics about something Jaime right Taylor look at Taylor he's obsessed with cement mixers right can we make that a thing can we make you obsessed with cement trucks I don't know why I just it seems like something you'd be into I don't know yeah yeah you know sometimes gets min and I just I just can't I got us drop everything i'm doing and watches ya see one on the road and I followed her around watch it too if I get some stains on my car like oh that's my car no no um you you don't want to upgrade your house or apartment to the enterprise apartment now for thirty three thousand dollar very sadly i just i just put a sort of Doge like status update up on twitter and like there was a lot there's a lot of changes going on in everywhere in my life and one of them is going to be my living situation come this fall my perfect living situation is going to be going to be broken up but that's just the rigors of time and you know that's how life goes yeah well I'm coming to hate my office so mmm i'd still love my death booth hey before I forget again AT&T the ones who are motomaker where the moto maker exclusive at first is actually providing the bandwidth for this podcast not through any arrangement not through any kind of sponsorship but because my household internet crashed right before the podcast time so we're on a hot spot on an 80 device and that's great because things really give your you sound like you're in on ludus seriously yeah isn't it that's it that's the type of stuff that I deal with god I love LTE I mean I couldn't be doing this on verizon yes I could probably be doing this on sprint but I'm just eighteen t was the first thing I had some sugar let's do it it's great i'm i'm actually gonna tell you that that was my fault i did that on purpose just you sent a bullet through cuz i have a hot box cuz i'm getting interview for free no I'd sent that so I could actually finish the editorial in which I pics i didn't do thanks and finally to close this out on the moto maker i did I was so obsessed and at one point I really did think I was going to drop that grand on a Star Trek uniform that I was like maybe they'll give us a review you know maybe we can just like play with a review unit so just yeah I was like why not you know I can't hurt to ask so I just fired up in emails like hey Motorola's a long shot but are you guys got any of those they didn't even bother to answer like who is this chump no no sir you can't have anything at samples I am I found someone who wants to buy my moto x I'm gonna try to sell one and by the ebony and nice 32 gigabytes you're trying to sell the one that says Casper tech right no no that one does is somewhere on its way to me now oh that's right oh my god but we have so much on this alright so that's the last thing we're going to talk one of the Moto X this week or possibly early next week because of these delays caused by the winter storm in the Northeast we are going to have a moto x durability report from Taylor Martin we're also going to have a moto after the buzz which many of you have been asking for some of you argued it should have gone up before the note 3 after the buzz I can't really disagree with you that was my fault I was just a schedule mix up so that was my bad so yeah from from what Brandon tells me my Moto X which he sent back to me is going to be in great condition for the the durability report because he dropped it several times Oh have you have you any idea what it's like ok so I have to film a throwback of the first generation iphone which i am currently filming between today and tomorrow I just I'm trying to hide everything that brandon did to that phone he is like the the worst when it comes to phones he was like yeah I'm not like Jaime he was telling me I was like you dropped my phone he's like yeah I'm not like Jaime I don't I don't baby poems I just he said I think they should be able to you know handle a little uh loose Brandon was the first one to film the durability report and I was like man this is like perfect for you match made in place yeah match bait heaven I remember at one point at one foot brand that was like hey I've got this inspire 4G here that I don't need you want to know those were the diet those were the days where it was really hard for us to get phones and some like oh sure come on send it over oh my god when he sends a damn phone he writes this piece of paper it says enjoy it I'm like God cuz it's just destroyed it was yeah I want to say in this vein that when I dropped to the Moto X on the sidewalk not number of months ago and I tweeted about her nose all sad face and was like the epitome of first world problems I busted it up and more than one person tweeted back at me like hey if that was a Lumia that thing would look a lot better well I dropped my lumia 1020 on some pretty hard concrete on this vacation and let me tell you what that thing don't look much better than the Moto X it got beat up and that stinks because we just did a durability report on that that's a problem you can't update a video after its up I mean YouTube's gotta figure out a way to do that you know yeah well you can with vimeo you can release an updated version of the same video god that's cool that's so cool i wish vimeo was bigger but if it were bigger more jerks to be on and blah blah blah blah blah we have to move on the Moto X is not the only device with an X in the name that we're going to talk about this week we want to briefly touch on the fact that a device from HTC called the m8 x appeared in a government database Taylor you want to tell us about that one I'm not really sure you do you're excited about see Jaime thank you for stepping up thank you so the problem is m8 x and this happened with the HTC One there was an m7 X as well it's just the variant so these do these news come from Indonesia and it's it's been submitted for government approval as the m8 x but obviously it's probably the same phone there are no specifics no details just a different name and what I'm guessing is again we're just getting a carrier variant just like would happen with the m7 X at some point I like Stephen speculation here is like this could be anything from a mini version of the m82 a cheaper plastic body version but heck maybe the X is just padding because the database didn't like two character names that's one I love that absolutely there that's one or the fact that it probably just have just has different radios I mean the one we don't know if the oneplus or whatever the ma is gonna be called is gonna bring lte-advanced it most likely will but we don't know do you think all in one plus i think so i think they're gonna keep that the one name for a long time and I like it I like it I mean we had the 1x the one asked the one what was the other way don't forget we have the one x+ as well and the other one Express OPEN sv oh god so good let's have them let's have the one the one plus the 1 minus the 1 x and divided you know you know you don't want to call it the two HTC 20 I'm worried about is is where the the video of HTC CEO on stage starting an m8 chant is that that's all I want em am7 well that's that rumor I hope that we see some stuff there's I was sort of expecting that we might see some rumors on that launching maybe around februari or something like that because it this wouldn't this one the one was announced last year right there's you recall it being very cold or New York City and like snowing at the event yeah yes and I think it came out in March yes announcement New York City HTC one says what event februari 19 2013 so you know that would be cool if we had that same kind of staggered thing here because then we get HTC One or HTC to whatever in February we probably get galaxy s5 in March or whatever but the rumors are all over the place on this nothing's reliable on and the rumors yesterday on the galaxy s5 from how what's this eldar Morrison did I pronounce that right I took my headphones off and I couldn't hear you he tweeted that the sorry buddy but he tweeted that the phone will be announced the galaxy s file on februari 23rd witches in mwc all right um yeah and that will get it in April which makes a lot of sense you know it kind of matches both rumors together of an April launch and a februari launch you know it's just not going to be launched in February's going to be announced and then give it two months give or take it'll be interesting to see let's talk about Samsung really quickly to close this out there's two other things in the category the galaxy note 3 neo renders have appeared do you guys like this naming convention for variants of Samsung models I kind of like it because they did this with the achieve s neo I just release one phone like Samsung I can't do that is they got to be you know they got to stay true to their Samsung roots uh that just drives me up the wall like why why do you need a neo like state they need some sort of six month update that nobody's going to buy so what's the story on this this is a slimmed down version of the phablet with a usable six core SOC yeah what else has gone as a a unique camera flash set up like it it's the same position but it's it's notably different because yeah because the the note 3 has the camera in the flesh yet in the hump with with a little ring around it this doesn't have right so just lash in the hump it's just a camera and not like what but then the only spec boost is actually that processor then everything is sir it's got only two gigs of ram it's got only 16 gigs of storage i believe about the displays at 720p or 1080p that I that's a good question all it's still debatable they're not mentioning if this is an else so there was a rumor initially that this was an LCD and that actually matches with the previous rumors before the launch of the galaxy note 3 that there were like seven different variants of the phone remember we were yeah we were yeah we were expecting for there to be an active variant of the galaxy note 3 so yes I remember that would have been awesome so you know that's the thing we still don't know the only reason that neo would make sense is if it did something better than the note 3 and we are wondering if this is like the sort of a galaxy note 3 active variant but we don't know it's it's just really hard to tell if they're going to take a step down in the specs like this and I'm not a speck head you know me but this looks like a significant decrease in power and the note line is the premium line so why would you taint that you know why well why wouldn't you just do MIT the stylus and then build a large screen device with mid-range specs and oh wait they did they add we call it a mega you know call it a dozen devices like that but don't ruin the note and like the whole galaxy brand name has just been like oh my god there's so many what so here's the thing Sam mobile it says it will sport a 5.5 5-inch 720p Super AMOLED display okay and in a cigarette camera so yeah so lower resolution camera 720p AMOLED display when you do this like it wow it's not right it's not like it's why don't you just relaunch the galaxy note 2 sure exactly oh you're just diluting the the premium nature of the brand he's also was the cataract what's the counter-argument is it like what people want to be able to afford a note and some people can't afford the top-line notes we're gonna make a lower end note but but there are devices already fulfilling that segment and the note brand is now going to be less you know let's lustrous as a result I think it's just like okay so if they took on maybe the same sort of system that the car market has where you have this one phone and then you have a step up from it so instead of just having a bump in storage space you had a bump in maybe the processor a bump in camera resolution at bomb like an overall upgrade for more money instead of just more storage maybe I can understand doing something like this but this is like they release a foam and then they release a variant of that foam and then they release another variant that's kind of the same as the other very but it's a little different I mean it's just like they release 30 variants of the same phone and they can't be making a lot of money off of say this version of it it's just it doesn't make sense to me because now yeah there's a bit of interesting speculation in the comments where someone named kelvin maximus is saying it will combine with other galaxy note 3 variants to let Samsung say the note 3 sold in millions I mean that's an interesting like bit of PR but I already they can say that because the node family is so robust right now they can they can tweak those numbers however they want yes nothing like yes sir knows he eat he's got a good point i mean the iphone they don't tell you i phone was the one that sold boat you know they just tell you we sold a million iphones in a week but they don't tell you if it's the 4s or or the 575 s so it is a good point there they're trying to dilute the brand and that's a good idea again i guess the problem is this is not significantly different than the note 3 it when it comes to sighs i'm like why don't you just give me a galaxy s you know for you no one could with the NDI with the decisive is coming right in like two months the s5 is gonna be here so it's like yeah what yeah if this came at a significantly lower price maybe it would make sense but add now well yeah yeah but ya like like two or three hundred dollars but we are looking at six hundred euro in belgium yeah so 811 US dollars for conversion so it's not a direct thing because it never is when you're jumping from country to country but right but it's compared to 750 euro for the actual no three yeah I mean it's that's not a big much roms to do yeah and and just a tiny other little thing like why it matters i don't know but the trim around the outside is not aligned like all the other note divided it's smooth and it appears to be yeah which is true so what do you think listeners you know we've bedded this around a lot obviously we don't really understand it if there's a compelling business reason that you can see for this that makes sense to you please leave in the comments below because you know sometimes we like to be no dolls when we actually feel like we know some but i think i speak for all three of us when um when I say we don't understand this move right we don't know it so please help us understand if anybody out there understands please help us understand finally closing out the android categories new samsung UI the phone version of the tablet the magazine ux we saw on the new notes and tabs at CES the new smart phone UI has leaked courtesy well what we think is courtesy of leaks we talked a little bit about this last week and it looks a whole lot like that magazine you I it looks just like some weird combination of magazine you I google now and Windows Phone 8 and I don't know what I think about it from these screenshots what do you guys how do you feel Samsung is just looking for a different company to sue them i guess i mean it's not that much like it is something new ok so the talent looks a lot like windows which is cool i like so freaking probably one of the things that I don't like about Windows is the staleness I like the fact that Samsung uses different elements to make it look a little more elegant um but you know then again I like it I like to change I hey we've been dealing with the same type of Android for years why not try something different I mean this UI is is I'm trying to remember how old it is well know the basic the basic home screen of Android with different screens and the app tray and everything so I love my yeah I don't know the fact that they're trying something different me too me too and it was dumb to great effect on the tablet I think we haven't spent a lot of time with them but i think we all like on the big screen yeah yeah lazy what did last week I did an editorial on the magazine UX and it was Samsung's magazine UX hot or not and yeah I went over it yeah I went over all the different parts of it and explained it in great detail and I think they really it the look and appearance and everything of how magazine UX works is great I like it but there's a problem instead of Samsung just going back to the drawing board and fixing all the problems with TouchWiz and everything all they did was put more on top of TouchWiz well we don't know that that's the case it is with this with the smartphone version but not with the smartphone version but with magazine UX on the tablet all they did was add more on to touch with so they're adding more to something we've been saying needs to be slimmed down for ages because really if you want to get rid of magazine UX you can you can use just the tablet UI like okay now but but I mean if she did the same thing with with Sense 5 they you know sit the previous versions of sense were over engineered there were big ol three Diablos and then HTC fixed all that but they did add more in the form of blinkfeed the gallery stuff you know they added a lot more but the the performance was so good and it was so cohesive and style that I was a success I think I thought it was different it was very different in that since four and since five were different from the core like they look different they yeah yeah they added some features to it but they didn't just plop a new thing on top of what was already there they took out the UI and put in a new one samsung all they've done here is like oh you don't like the UI or we're going to just add something on top of it and leave the old you I there too so it's it's like we're complaining because it's so bloated and it's so clunky and they just keep adding and adding and adding and adding without taking out the stuff that nobody wants or cares about they just add an ad math and that's the problem with magazine UX now is that going to be the same on the handset side the screenshots seem to think or see them to lead to that but I have no idea what do you think I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you guys a question and this has to do a lot with a note 3 neo as well I mean with kitkat you do have that advantage I mean you guys have been using kit kat i haven't used it yet um because you probably don't notice it different because it just works well um but I do wonder how TouchWiz is going to behave on a much slimmer operating system that's probably that's probably one of my biggest questions I you know I do know that they're swapping one thing on top of the other um I guess so here's the big problem with the wood TouchWiz how many people do you know out there don't have a galaxy phone it is just so popular how do you prove these people how do you prove to these people that they need to change their UI uh how do you make the case as Samsung that's how do you tell Samson listen your UI is tailored it's dated but you're selling millions of galaxies phone it's like we talked about before it's like we yeah we're very more much more fickle than the average consumer exam and the air Schumer's already fickle yeah yeah so I guess I guess that if Samsung is doing it I guess it has a lot to do with the fact that kid cat is probably so slim that they're capable of doing it without bogging down and absolute end from what we see we've seen at CES that's largely true there's very little response lag in the the tablet versions of this at least in the tabs in the notes it's a little different and that's a good thing because remember how much how many pixels were being powered by that processor yeah and a 12.2 inch display as well were those those were Snapdragon processors as well well or residence we're that because there's the two variants right there's the exodus yeah so this is hard to note on Snapdragon TouchWiz lately has been pretty good but on if you get these if the new galaxy s5 or whatever has an egg's nose chip inside yeah yeah that's I'm just gonna stop there well it's good because we have to stop there with Android to or we're over time as usual but we expected that was such a news heavy show let's say we move into Windows Phone we have a new story from January 17th indicating that maybe after for months the microsoft nokia deal is getting ready to wrap up now for months that's not a lot of time for an acquisition of this size I think it took a lot longer than that for some carrier mergers to happen here in the States but these are different types of companies but here's the story in a statement this week which was last week nokia advised investors that its next financial report is going to be a little different on account of microsoft's purchase of course specifically it intends to label a smartphone arm that microsoft's acquiring as discontinued operations and going forward it will only report on its other business interests so that's there's no surprise in there whatsoever but all it means for us is that we're going to be keeping our ears open as stephen says until then in hopes of catching some official news Nokia's report is due on the 23rd so it's due tomorrow morrow yeah cool I'm looking forward to hearing more about that it's really going to be interesting to see what Microsoft does with the hardware arm that they've acquired speaking of Microsoft we have a slight well I don't know if this is a correction much as it is and as much as an update last week we talked about Microsoft possibly spending the very large figures to entice manufacturer interest in Windows Phone that's what it was right and and these are very interesting news because um so a lot of people and this is the constant comment of Microsoft having so much money to throw it whatever they do that they're just gonna do it and a lot of people have assumed or the rumors there that Microsoft paid a billion dollars to get OEMs to you know adopt Windows Phone and Frankish I which I don't know who he is but you know he's a Microsoft executive it on Twitter that know that they go into co marketing deals which I consider to be even worse than whatever you want whatever you would want from Microsoft their marketing ad company is terrible but you've said as much yeah I am serious i have never seen more ridiculous ads in my life than microsoft's windows phone ads and specifically the latest milk ads are just terrible all this will be changing maybe for the better maybe for the word know what better yeah no no yeah but the confirmed or he says that those one you know those billion dollar figures are not true they're not doing this you know change on this initial tweet this is this tweet was great it was like reality check and do we need to do co-marketing with partners you bet but these numbers are complete fiction then there's a big range between a lot of bigwigs including paul theroux and you know freed and did I propose that correctly yeah and here's a deal how many om's having has learned said yeah so he could talk how many OEMs do you know have adopted Windows Phone in the last couple of months I could even say a year I mean the last HTC windows phone was that sprint phone that you reviewed that was terrible yeah what yep and then that samsung phone that you review that was terrible as well for sprint yeah but we do have some you know we have rumors of a new samsung windows phone we have rumors of Sony actually confirmed rumors I think of Sony's interest in building windows phones so it's not you know it's not a completely stagnant pool they have this huge distraction of this impending merger to you know that that's going on so I don't know that paired with all the flack it's getting for all its marketing efforts yeah yeah it's it's a tough a tough space to try to grow in and of course where we're now in the the lull after the major nokia world announcement we just got a bunch of devices dumped on the world and now we're in the the post nokia world pre-merger completion low and so that's just going to be the way it is for a while but microsoft just wanted to include the fact in the podcast that yes Microsoft did address that and they dispute it they say it's not true and well that'll be it until the next room are we here I guess dual-mode Android Windows Phones guys I want to hear about this Jaime I want you to tell us about this device and then Taylor I want you to tell us about how it's not real make sense well first of all this you know this duel mode phone is so it is an android phone it was launched by this korean company that i'm trying to remember the name bluebird Bluebird yeah so they launched this this phone but it's it's like a sort of an enterprise phone because yeah it does run Android but the problem is that even though they say that it looks like Windows one is not really with those phone it's really windows invented 8am held like can you imagine me going to my dad right now being like what Dad I'm gonna give you a new a new windows have been the date handheld phone it's so confusing that I'm a can't even say it serious know it reminds me the old days of Windows Mobile like you know when there's a name very similar to this in the windows family that I can't remember about it maybe it was one of the c/e versions for mobile I don't know it was but yeah so the device but there's even more to this because you can't switch on the fly right Hey no no you have to so this is like a ruggedized phone that it's focused for business you know I don't even think that it's gonna make the light of day when it comes to retail now and and from what from my understanding you can't really swap the OSS immediately I just they don't specify how long it takes for you to reboot that thing or how exactly is that it's not a dual-boot phone yeah because the capacitive buttons on the bottom are actually different down each iteration so these are different Hardware variants of the same phone right yeah yeah they have the same specs they just have different capacitive buttons and you have to order them as a corporate they're not ever going to be retail devices okay they're their corporate devices for enterprise solutions for something like home depot or something to that effect so this is totally bogus like this not that the headline is because i love stevens headline dual-mode Android Windows Phone ish handset a reality is not that you know it's not what we think of it's not a dual booting handset that we've been fantasizing about and I'm talking about for ages it's yeah you choose one of the other at point of sale it's probably never going to make to retail there's a lot like that motorola xt windows line for sprint but but I so I guess that that makes the device itself much less interesting but what is Windows Embedded 8 handheld Taylor I'm glad you asked good luck test but gives you my windows have been 28 handheld for you yeah cuz I spent a lot of time yesterday researching and trying to dig through and find out exactly what Windows Embedded 8 handheld is yeah and yeah and finally um it's basically okay so Windows Embedded is has been around for ages and Windows Embedded handheld has been around for ages last like before this update which actually came out to manufacturers and around October Windows Embedded was Windows Embedded handheld was based on windows mobile 6.5 so it's been around and I've probably used it myself at some point through one of my retail jobs but it was just kind of you know windows mobile it was antiquated so they brought Windows Embedded mobile or handheld up to speed with Windows Phone 8 it's built on Windows Phone 8 it looks like Windows homemade but the enterprise customer that purchased these purchases handphones ah the enterprise like this whole word is like just killing me the enterprise customers to purchase this handheld from a manufacturer can have the UI customized to their needs so if you look at the headline image that I used for that article the home depot actually has a custom windows phone interface it looks like you're stuck in like an amazon app or something like that like the Windows Phone Amazon act like they've designed their own thing with custom tiles and it looks like Windows Home that looks like a Windows Phone app really but that's the UI is what you're saying yeah and it's never meant to be a consumer product it's a purely enterprise and it's mainly targeted at retail associates like floor level people who are selling things and the best way to think of Windows Embedded 8 handheld is to think of it like you walk into an apple store and every employee there has an iphone with a card like a magnetic stripe reader on it so if you want to check out at any time if you don't have an iphone yourself and can't check out yourself you find the nearest associate that's not working with someone and you say hey i wanna hi this is really great you swipe a card and you walk out yeah and this makes a ton of sense because I think the last time I was in the microsoft store what were they using for their handheld check out stuff like it wasn't a windows phone wasn't wasn't it like an old clunky windows windows mobile 6.5 thing yeah yeah yeah so that makes a lot of sense for for that I've do you know that's just one application I'm it's a shame on you Microsoft's shame on you why don't you use your updated hardware like this is great with their old generation i remember in when Apple stores first came out they had windows ce e devices and I remember that back so like but but this is great because Windows has a long history of B of having this massive business this enterprise arm and if been taken forever for the for the UI update and some of that but tell her what's the core I mean what this is built on the same core windows phone 8 yeah it is built on Windows Phone 8 of not just the core it is built on Windows Phone 8 and you can run any of your windows phone 8 apps so long as the administrators allow it has allowed it yeah yeah and you can also run off the shelf Windows Phone apps so Microsoft Lync acha office 365 dynamics for retail and all of those other ones that you can't purchase as a consumer but as an enterprise user or with government contract and don't worry cuz you don't worry listeners if you had never listened to those applications before neither had I you know I want one of these I want to rip so so basically you're not ever gonna see like a sales associate that's using Windows Embedded 8 handheld using a Lumia device or today it's going to come from Motorola Solutions intermatic Honeywell ingenico and blue bird yeah so on so they're their specific devices and the hardware is always going to be ruggedized the hardware is going to have magnetic stripe readers built in so it's not going to be like a square dongle you plug in very cold phone itself will have a stripe reader barcode scanners all kinds of other stuff this is so this is cool no but oddly enough I we heard a news story about what six months ago or something that Delta was equipping all of their flight crews with Windows Phones it was like one of the bigger windows phone orders of the time and I guess that happened with like Lumia 925 or somebody I don't know what it was it was or eight 20s but it's funny to me that that happened and now this has come out and now i'm just picturing some delta a by buying exact being like you know god this would have been way better and now we're stuck with these linked ah microsoft I think this feels like a really an important gap and thank you for all your research your leg work there Taylor and helping us figure out what the f this is and yeah when I started yesterday I had no idea it's so cool it love this is like that where you learn like from you've no nothing and then by the time you're done with the piece you know enough ram that's so cool yeah you have to make myself an expert on things i have no idea what it looks like the most fun part of the job i love doing that I don't get to do any more I'm it just two videos now frown on face hey last thing in Windows most exciting thing in Windows even though I'm not a super halo nerd ever we've talked about this have either of you guys played halo nope um which which part of halo which is halo any of them I believe them you don't like you're not too amped on him no no but not at all you get I'm on the podcast to the wrong people yeah I don't like any of the halos I've been replaced I love the halos anyway the concept of halo is the science fiction game series written for Xbox it's the flagship line or was for a long time the flagship Microsoft gaming experience and there is a piece of artificial intelligence within halo called Cortana which represented by a beautiful holographic woman but she's actually a computer and she has a wonderful voice that I don't know who the voice actress is I should have found that out and I will while Jim Taylor is that right Jen Taylor wow you're awesome at that did you write this story or you just you just looking at a point he's looking like it's in the piece as you were saying that it said so I was reading supposed to be gently return return to the role or oh by the system speaking voice probably should have trusted Stephen who have looked that up yes well this is great so this isn't just great news if you're a stupid nerd like me right it's it's it's microsoft intelligently leveraging one of their more popular platforms or products i guess you could call the Cortana voice using it to drive attention toward Windows Phone they tried to do this with Xbox games and xbox video and the Xbox brand as a whole with Windows Phone integration but because Windows Phones game catalog is not terribly compelling still it didn't really work right so get it yes might be a little bit of a detail but the fact that everyone knows what Google now is everyone knows what syria's and the fact that Microsoft is now going to have resumed presumably a compelling alternative to those services and it's going to call it Cortana is pretty cool I don't think this is a game changer i think is it just a very smart move go ahead I mean the only cool thing about calling that thing Cortana is that at least you know the name doesn't mean your backside in Japanese what like Siri yeah Syrians but I didn't know that ya know how about that yeah wonder one Cortana means and you know the Turkish no no seriously but I hope they keep it true to character though and not make it this this oh just like a dot I don't yeah yeah I don't know how cortana speed like i don't know her persona government you got a little bit of an edge like she's like smart she's a quip or two every now and then yeah that's fine as long as they don't just like go out of their way to make it more snarky or something like that that would just ya know i really hope they don't mess that up but remember unfortunately we're at this we're still at this point in voice interface technology where you know they can't have jen taylor come in and just record every possible phrase that she could ever utter like they have to you know record all the phonemes in the whatever you call him and if it come to this so she's still gonna sound I would think much more robotic than than the actual scripted vo game files you know yeah because she's not doing full Synesis pre-scripted exactly she's doing she's reading the sickness is out yes he's reading sentences out that cover each sound each consonant combination invalid yeah yeah but says it yeah why was I it what bus runs dog you know just random words in a sentence the human torch was denied a bank loan yes what I mean why can't we get Scarlett Johansson onda she did such a fabulous Owen heard have you seen her I haven't spike jonze felt I need to go see it I haven't seen it either because coach because she's a fantastic lady but she is not Cortana Jen Taylor is not to be questioned everyone all right not on this show anger all right huge Scarlett Scarlett so all right yeah if you want in on this and you have ways of getting into microsoft developer beta apparently it'll launch on lumia devices this april all right what do think about that great time senator linea device cuz i do have access why do they started recording a long time ago it's a really good point yeah we're talking like in future tense perdon after I I really really really want to see that even if it's under NDA which will be and we can't like do reporting on it until a certain time I just want to see it I want to use it because this has been a huge glaring hole in Windows Phone the voice interface sucks and I use it all the time on other platforms okay that's and a windows phone what say we cover quickly iOS news hi May what do you think you use s voice oh god no actually I'm a galaxy gear i do because i have no choice but we'll talk about moving I know let's move to iOS please so one of the biggest rumors that we have this is very interesting because we have this leak of the car interface that we should expect for iOS well iOS 4.1 beta is expected to bring this whole new car interface and it's just funny because a lot of people are speculating that this could probably be just an application that was leaked and not really the car interface but you know everybody that has access to iOS 7 point me know some point when beta is has access to it I haven't loaded it on my phone because I haven't had the time um but yeah i'll confirm that eventually but it you know it's just the new car you why it's just the the differences that they offer i just i don't understand i thought that this was gonna be more of something that was going to come on dashboards like what's happening with android and audie and all these companies in the open not a motive ions and not you know the phone having a navigation UI which is there are a ton of third-party applications that already do that so you know I don't really know what to expect or what solids' it looks very simplistic it looks very nice but we've seen from everybody else already HTC does a really good one Oh what an automotive interface yeah Taylor what do you think about this year the other car guy um I don't have anything to add like I just I don't know what to make of it it doesn't look terribly interesting or impressive or unique or it just looks like something that you've seen a million times from examine but from other companies now by Apple exactly it doesn't look like anything that we haven't already seen by competitors and even applications you can already install in your iphone so I don't think that's like hot stuff yeah it's it I had this on I think the original moto droid or motorola droid yeah so like it came with a driving mode that did exactly this back in 2010 2009 mmm so ok cool Apple that's great now the difference here is that iOS in the car is also a different thing yeah iOS will soon have car integration because actually you know in other words iOS yeah like you have the called iowa's in the car where a car comes with iOS integration built in but that's s that's good actually I was wrong but but this I don't know I guess go ahead it's still no different than then the navigation you already have built into your carts effort uses Apple maps like okay great oh my god like I can't get excited over that you know like yeah like I said I guess I was expecting something that wasn't a phone in her face I was expecting like the real deal something that is really going to compete with Android on cars that's really what i was expecting that's what it's been talked about ever since the launch of iowa seven initially then we still haven't really gotten it so I guess we should expect for the bit you know for iOS 7.1 will be launched in a month I believe yeah um let's see what we get I I'm sorry I'm just for me iOS 7 has been uh it's it's been good but it's you know they're there are times where do you have this problem well you have an iphone 5c right uh Michael yes I've got one every time that you install an application does your phone reset on you every time that I install a mobile application yeah or one these update does your phone were set on you do you know what I I'm ashamed to say I me that I don't know because it's been a very long time since I picked up that device I don't blame you but it's just for me iOS 7 has been like a total like if they went back to the drawing board and weren't really clear what they were doing and they just threw it out there and a lot of people are disappointed with it you know I'm not sure yeah I tried to move back into it and then when I ran into some trouble with google integration because we use you know double security and all the stuff and I was like you know this just isn't worth the hassle so that I can have not enough room to type on on a device only come anyway uh this is good I think we're going to be able to figure out this iOS and the car thing a little better later when we get our review units in of the new lincoln navigator you know yeah yeah the dodge durango we're not doing that i wish we got a few units of cars that would be fun see i would be in heaven I know you would I know it would make your whole day we need a car's tab next to wearables up there we're about to get to wearables but before we get there let's talk very briefly about blackberry a so this is important news oh hai mei you stir you know oh my god You cheeky bastard so I actually I'm glad you did that because I wanted to omit this from the rundown we were so packed full news I wanted to get rid of oh my gosh we shouldn't talk with us but the more I tried to delete it the more it wanted to stay in the rundown because this is mogley significant news this is the most surprising news I've seen in weeks let me help you let's delete it live now another matter it's real this is really important so I don't understand how these numbers work out this has not been reported on widely this has been reported on by gsmarena and what's their source what is their source DoD is a mill the defense information systems agency at any rate apparently the net result of this is that 80,000 new blackberry units have been ordered by DoD so the actual verbatim text is the program currently supports 1,800 unclassified mobile devices including ipad 3 and 4 iphone 4 5 4 s and 5 samsung 10 dot 1 tablets and samsung 3s I know what that is and Motorola RAZR devices with participation from the combatant commands services and agencies throughout the DoD and here it is the program also supports 80,000 blackberry phones so that despite choice like i don't i don't know i mean this this to me doesn't say like if 80,000 new units were ordered it says the program supports that number of devices I don't know but apparently it's real news because the whole blackberry stock went up like a lot on this announcement so was this just a story from like 2008 that accidentally took a break like bump to the top somebody's feed or something like it sounds like it right but yeah I think that's what I think of every time I've seen this headline yeah I don't know I'm trying to read the initial report and it's not making all that much sense to me so I don't know but in any case this was important enough like I said to bump the stock and everyone is perceiving this as pretty good news for blackberry so I have to believe that that it is a substantial order and that the majority of that is new units and that it's blackberry 10 which is the important part I don't know if any of those assumptions are accurate because I get my sense of any of these stories but the numbers don't line up to be but if it's true if it's if if if I'm just dumb and I can't understand it this is great news for blackberry in a time where we're not seeing a lot of great news at a blackberry so I mean it is but in the same respect 80,000 blackberries very small number like if you're looking for like maybe maybe for an enterprise perspective or from an enterprise perspective it might be a significant thing but I mean in the long our grand scheme of things is this a big major thing for blackberry because I feel like as far as government agencies goes that this might be you know kind of a normal thing at least 80,000 might be the initial order phandroid is is speculating on that the commitment sounds like it has the potential to add more handsets over time says phandroid and not a chance once they start using them no I just rue you know I think I actually think the opposite i really think blackberry 10 has some compelling stuff in it particularly for people who are just going to use them as messaging devices guys maybe this is because I've just been obsessively watching the news room which is set in 2011 and where blackberries are prevalent I don't know maybe it's because I've got this cute n sitting here loaded up with Android apps that I actually like a lot maybe this is just this is because this is just because the leash aquis resigned and therefore the government is now interested exactly right they got rid of that they got rid of the BS position yeah let's bring them back in the fold Michael you are the exact opposite of a fair-weather fan you're exactly right you're exactly right if you love into the doldrums and yeah you are down on your luck and you're beaten up by the world and in the gutter I am instantly your biggest fan just I'm still I'm still cracking up at your editorial which was it our Christmas wish list the contrarian edition I'm like yeah that's right it's like because everyone knows someone who wants to be you know who who doesn't want to be part of the successful crowd the contrarian edition of like blackberry q10 hey I would have liked it if I woke up to a blackberry q10 under my christmas tree i would have liked it a lot so we working out of set fire to the tree Gerak's nope Santa's not listening shall we move on to mom dad hey hey hey hey what hey Willie we have uh if Nora attracts him he's real okay okay he hit all those cookies that when you it's exactly right he drank all that scotch anyway sad has leave Maloney's busy let's jump into wearables which I don't think we have a sound effect for so hey wearables what should be the sound effect for wearables if you've listened to the this far into the podcast you should let us know the clanky sound of the pebble de pelo metal bands vibrating yeah by the way i'm lee getting my pebble service i'm finally getting a warranty replace because the busted screen so wait you're gonna get the replace then you're not gonna get a pebble steel I should man where we've gone over this i got a thousand-dollar uniform that I can't buy like what do you think um I'm gonna wait for the somebody in it and I'm gonna like it for two weeks and send it back Taylor you told us that what was the name of the double CD CEO um Steve at your casa Eric I told you the hair is gonna send those review units us us like us so exactly us nobody i see you guys gets him I can move my domicile come on I don't we should how I wish maybe eight review units they're planning on sending us probably one yeah because they're like everything that every border banner that they have is like limited stock so yeah I'm can't wait but I actually don't know which I mean tell are you cheek fine so we'll do this in order of seniority just straight to me oh yeah how do you want or over talking seniority with a pebble because then i win no in pocket now do you want to review it Taylor yeah I'd love to reply would really want to review it to this is weird cuz usually guys listeners usually there's why there's a distinct like difference like I'm like do you want to review that until is like no looks like a piece and I'm like okay sweet I really want to review this and so usually it works out that way and I'm is like hey guys kind of review something like now takes 80 days to get to you yeah I take a challenge you to a street race sounds awesome i will have my bicycle ready so let's okay Taylor you're on street race stick shift to get deal yeah I mean only if you move to the United States can you please do that to just make things easier on us what are you even driving no I know we're not doing this we're not talking about cars in this podcast what do you drive Hyman nobody cares nobody cares about that they don't exist over there that's right Oh see fancy see this is what happens now you feel bad Taylor because now you want one one month with pebble chronicles on the non-delivery I may tell us about your experience you non-believer have you been converted into the wearable world tell us I'm trying to convince you to send me a pebble steel how does that sound that's a good point I love that you used instagrams at images as your inline pictures that's my anthem that's awesome so go go tell me no I guess I you know I remember when the first pebble came out we were at CES and you were going crazy to go to that event and I was like now let's do something else right from for me a SmartWatch has always been like why would I want to get notified about something in my wrist when my phone is just in my pocket and I could just pull it out and you know the more that I start so I the reason why I got a pebble was because I moved to a new place and my watch has disappeared interesting hmm so I for all four of my watches disappeared and so obviously i need to needed to buy one but you know my taste has become a little more fancy and i noticed that all the watches that i wanted were in the line of over the pebble and pricing and so I was like wait a second why am I going to pay this amount for watch or even pay because i was actually willing to buy a Nike Fuel band or a Fitbit I was like why am I gonna pay for these things if I could just you know get a pebble for almost the same price and so that's really the reason why I got it but I didn't really get it because I was compelled to buy it I was it for me it just became a no-brainer and so far it's probably been one of the best experience I best experiences I've had um because first of all I i I've a lot I have to commute from my apartment to my office to my family's place where I usually eat you know I just I have to do a lot of driving and it's just cool to not have to pull the phone out to check a notification I just I look at my watch if it's something important that I pull over and if it's not that I just continue driving oh it's taylor okay so let's just continue i do that i do i do that all the time um so I wore my he knows yeah see how it feels Taylor yes no I I guess that there is a compelling reason to own a SmartWatch uh not everybody will agree obviously the pebble the original pebble wasn't for everyone not everybody liked the design if I would have known that the pebble was plastic that you know the casing not the band but the casing was plastic I would have probably thought twice for the price but you know now that I see the pebble steel I'm like okay this is a compelling I would have probably waited but i'm not i don't regret buying the original pebble i think that it's going to be a good fitness tool connected to RunKeeper for example um but again I I feel that it's is it worth hundred fifty dollars i do feel it is because i've been using watches for years and to be i was with you none of the four watches that i had i bought these were gifts to me ok because i don't believe in buying jewelry i think that it's a way to waste money and so this is actually the only reason i would buy a watch if it was something that was useful to me and that's really what I've learned from the pebble and the time that I've used it that's awesome and I'm glad that it was a positive experience I not just because it was a peasant pebble I'd be saying that with for any watch i mean i just i think these devices a lot of people think these devices are flash in the pan and no i'm not willing to like completely disagree with that I mean it could very well be but I don't think that's true I think there's a lot of excitement particularly around pebble because they've found a way to do a limited set of things very well yeah now with pebble steel starting to solve some of the issues with the first run device looking a little cheap yeah but at great cost though I mean I'm not sure that's the thing I I wanted to pull the trigger on a pebble steel the other day and I agree with you I just don't know if the prices ye you know oh I I actually I actually don't I didn't so I I had a problem agreeing with the original price of the pebble especially because it's plastic but I do find two hundred fifty dollars to be fair for the pebble steel I mean how much if you wanted to buy a casio edifice right now I'm talking about like the high-end casio which is a cheap watch it's not really a high-end watch it'll cost you two hundred and fifty dollars so why would i pay 250 dollars for an edifice where i could just buy a pebble seriously it's a good point i mean again it goes back to the fact that this is a useful watch that actually looks very good it looks elegant I like it I like it Taylor you're still wearing yours mine's about you got repaired we're waiting for pebble steel rear Joe's still got his even well Brandon ordered a pebble steel and I think even Tony ordered one right I don't like Tony no no I think he did I think he did that's news to me I know if you order to steal that he ordered a pebble Oh some kind I'd be surprised if Tony got it got a SmartWatch do know here we go from nine days ago too much time at the ER this is when they were icing him down from his fever so I've ordered a pebble steel why high fever maybe or maybe just to have enough reasons to counter your excitement or maybe I'll love it and then he says that he makes a comparison that I cannot read on the air which is very very funny yeah so this is great i'm looking forward to hearing what he thinks about it you know this whole team is going to be going to be pebble where's in a while and then we'll have the lone galaxy gear proponent over here in the corner that's me and we have some good news on the galaxy gear in to forums stephen shank what what what else is what gonna ruin your your segway oh good i never know what ya know what i was just gonna say that i'm up so stressing over look at my favorite pebble watch apps video that i made it's not in the rundown that makes me incredibly sad Oh Fran on face i'm sorry i'll probably didn't even watch that video either did you i did watch that one lady didn't oh I did too because that's how I got holding out taste from uvalde out messing up all the time yeah that's when you were in throwing Eric no is my favorite watch apps for Android the one available to you he has it's you know a scene that now I've been on vacation evenings see whatever all I'm gonna say is anybody with a pebble out there right now spend the five dollars and get the application tasker and the application pebble tasker and thank me later because you can do so much crap with your pebble I know I want my pebble to be fixed now I not annoyed cuz it's broken okay let's go and talk about the galaxy gear here because we're coming to the end of the show but I want to talk about this the footboard that we've seen min youum which I believe Taylor you've done a video or two on that I've done a video and I'm actually currently using it as of two days ago menu on is that weirdo keyboard with three rows of offset letters and a bunch of it looks just completely unusable to me I one line keyboard so it's a qwerty keyboard that's squished down into a single row of letters right and and it doesn't require accuracy and it works really well which seems like the perfect fit for something like a really limited screen real estate like like a smart phone a smart watch rather and I had been thinking about this as I've been using the galaxy gear more and and putting up with the size of the note 3 in my pocket so I can do it and that's how much I like the gear and I've but the S voice interface sucks of course and also you can't dictate a reply if to use stored replies and text so you do have to take your phone out of your pocket if you want a custom reply and i was thinking like what keyboard would work on here like you can't fit a capacitive keyboard on here and expect it to work well or a full qwerty keyboard so many would seem to be the right solution Taylor what's your confidence level on this on such a small screen do you think you could use it well it was funny to me that that everybody ran this is news now obviously they just uploaded a new video and it's pretty cool it's a good demonstration but whole day and you main menu on a platter minimum yeah yeah yeah but their original video the one that I was talking about when I made my video months ago when I first tried menu I'm part of their whole idea was to change the way that we use a keyboard to use it on different form factors and one of the things they had was a very tiny keyboard that they used I think like a pencil to type with him and it was tiny just dots and and they were typing just perfectly fine and and that's one of the reasons this keyboard was designed not to revolutionize the way we type on our phones but to revolutionize the way we type on devices that are to come in the future so we should have expected this is what you're saying you did it yeah like yeah yeah yeah Oh Kevin they said specifically like like they're like we're gonna do this thing and then this thing came out and then it was like they did this thing yeah that's exactly what it like they showed it before not necessarily on the Galaxy gear like they have here Rob we so if there's in this video looks I'm not gonna run it right now because I can't spare the bandwidth but I mean it certainly seems to be quite effective I'm looking forward to trying it out even though custom keyboards like this i'm not a big fan of you know yeah i was about to say I mean is a good question Michael this is something I don't know yeah um when these custom replies for the galaxy gear can you create custom replies and select them later really good question i think you don't know if you can or not I should know but I don't because honestly I mean there are certain types of messages that I would want to reply on the go or this makes sense for me to want to use my SmartWatch to reply something yeah I guess I would rather just have a scroll down list of the things that I would want or consider regular replies and not have to type something you know I mean I want to be able to dictate replies I want to be able to just speak my reply cuz i do that half the time on my hand said anyway do you yeah exactly that's so that's that would be even smarter that would be the best way to do this now obviously wouldn't be able to do with a pebble or anything that's not equipped with a microphone but man it would be great to use it on the gear yeah I can't which the one boob going about 10 that's actually the one thing I wish pebble steel had and that's a microphone yeah same here I guess the the one usage that I really want from the gear is imagining myself getting a phone call driving and just responding it from my wrist and continue driving and talking to my wrist I guess what what you can create custom text replies using pebble tasker and tasker and simple text replies hey Wow imagine that saying hi babe just say and before we move on to the last bit of the story we're still staying on the Galaxy gear I want to make my semi-monthly announcement that if you feel compelled to comment on a SmartWatch story please keep the content relevant to what is being discussed in the story don't use it as yet another opportunity to foist a piece of anti SmartWatch propaganda on the world again I am so tired of every SmartWatch piece having someone who insists on coming around saying I just don't see the point like so though we've been omitted we've we've written too many editorials about with the point of smartwatches and somebody will do in the comments here and that's okay that's what comments are for sorry I'm not that bent out of shape I just haven't gotten angry voice on the show yet and it had to happen so I'm sorry Leslie he was he seems angry if it was pre show that was way angry voice pretty sure you were left and right um I just want to add in terms of on this minimal vein is a very funny um um um I just want to add that this is like the fourth time I've tried minimum the first three times i switched away from the keyboard and anger because it was just so frustrating to use yeah and I've been using it for two days now and it's it's actually much much more accurate and the last time i used it they had added a full keyboard for you know typing in search queries and passwords and 10th or things like that because obviously those are a little more difficult when you have to pick each individual letter so you have a full keyboard in there I don't know how that plays into the SmartWatch thing but I'm just saying that it kind of takes time I've tried pretty much every single keyboard out there except for probably I think it's called flex key I haven't tried that one cuz I just haven't had the time sure but it's something I've really been interested in I mean I did several pieces on alternative are alternative types of keyboards like the dial one that made everybody's head hurt and yes things are weird III just like it and out of all the I guess non-traditional keyboards I've used minimum is probably the most accurate and compelling so having fun a SmartWatch yeah yeah yeah I think it's really worth looking into if you're interested in that sort of thing and it takes time like like I hate it when people say I tried it for a few minutes and I hated it so switch away he obviously takes different you've been using a qwerty keyboard a standard way your entire life you have to give it a little time and after two days already I'm you know moving along very well with it I'm done this like am i weird for wanting for wanting t9 on a SmartWatch keyboard probably I thought I can still fly on d 9 like it gave me what was the last time you picked up a dumb phone and tried to like shoot a text I could still like own anyone on t nine I think I'm doing in my head right now I'm like my little vinegar is the coolest guy in the world like I could do that fast yeah I was slowly nine but I don't know I mean I just think on a watch I think this is what this keyboard was built for I think it's great for this you just have to get used to it you have to break free of the thought that you have to hit every letter perfectly yeah you have to let loose and just like with predictive text it very much is yeah because you have to learn to trust it and if you trust it it'll usually work pretty well unless it's a samsung keyboard in which case it'll suck actually what I've actually come to realize as they it's more like dictation than predictive text because you have to think about the word as you're typing it not you know like when you're doing dictation you have to think about the words that you're gonna say next yeah before you say them so you have to think ahead of what you're gonna say you actually have to think about how to type some things like especially if you're used to like swiping something out I mean I've been doing that for years and I just kind of hit the high points it's and it usually picks out what I want but on this where you're so close and so tight it I found it's easy to just kind of skip over a letter or get the order of the letters wrong because you're not moving up and down you're just moving laterally how do you type how do you type we've put high made to sleep hope I think we have is he live hi I lost you guys there for about a second oh alright but let's just want to say like you yeah if you think it's cool give it a try if not then you know leave it be don't just bash it because you're just willing to try new technology good advice all the way around I agree and rounding out the wearables category the Samsung Galaxy gear what is my biggest complaint about the galaxy gear everyone compatibility that is right you have to use it with a samsung device i am not a fan of integrating a galaxy device into my life that's just not a good fit for me it doesn't mean it's a bad device means it's not good for me but i love the galaxy gear so i wanted to use it yeah and and a lot of things it's just not as force so when I want to use the galaxy gear i want to use it with another device maybe a moto x maybe on occasion and the other android device i have lying around but i have been able to do that until now to find people over at XDA developers have come up with a solution for pairing the galaxy gear to a nexus 5 there are other asserted reports of others being able to pair to an HTC one and so on and a lot of the functionality comes over here we apparently all the operations are pretty straightforward says Steven shank if you want to do this there's no a DB or anything of that nature required and just installing some applications yeah which sounds awesome which is why there is currently a nexus 5 enroute to me thank you taylor so that i can try this out damn it just for Michael get that to me by monday yeah before 7pm today okay it'll be on your way analyst with you what do you lose you lose s voice which I think we can all agree is not a big loss and in the same vein weather is broken there also some reports that the music player functionality is broken these are apps i almost never use this would be a pretty good fit for me that said the camera call functionality and general notifications are working says Stevens story so you may still be able to squeeze a decent smart much experience out of this hack job this sounds awesome and I kind of have tried shoot yeah it can ask two questions yes one uh-huh will we see a potential galaxy gear pairing with the nexus 5 from one michael fisher and the near future we may we may very well see that yes I don't think we'd I don't think we'd be spending fedex money to just to like keep me happy I'm non galaxy gear stuff ya know I have to send that to you for another nexus oriented video we have to don't forget about that you have to announce that is the second question uh-huh how long do you think it will be before samsung says um this ain't cool rose and are cool at all yeah you know but what can they block it though I mean I don't think that usually good it just takes a software update man I mean they don't get out how to block the pebble from their galaxy phone so well they didn't that's just a compatibility I'm sure they can do it with like one string of code and like yeah but whatever eating don't expect the up dirt though what if you just don't accept the update and we run into the situation where the folks at XDA are coding custom roms for the galaxy gear that keeps it safe now they're gonna do the app but they're gonna do the animal things--it they're gonna do the apple thing there yeah does run android yeah version of Mildred yeah okay I mean it's a customer it's not a full version it was a custom version like you can tap twice and hold and you get the the Android multitasking bar okay and people of sideload and android apps on it like yeah it's android so who I wasn't sure I thought it was a I read somewhere else that it wasn't maybe it was before the gear was official probably okay I'm sure you know I'm sure there's some new ones that I'm missing there I'm sure I should be adding more color to that statement but I just I mean just androids far as I'm concerned it's very versatile I've seen people running full-size apps on it and such like when I was sitting next to brian klug from a non tech at that event he was running like I think he was running like speed test on his galaxy gear who's really sucks it's some crazy full smartphone app on his gear and I was like man you are awesome that right i guess that's is great so hopefully we'll have some more on that maybe at some point hi May if we get that gear is from eighteen t by the way this mine but if we get another gear in the house if it works well enough I might actually consider buying my own gear and if that happens I may have to tell you what I'll let you borrow it for a little while so you can suitors so nice of you so nicely well but the new gear is supposed to be launched with the galaxy s5 so cross your fingers oh yeah that's right yeah that's right yeah whoo yeah I want to see that too oh I'm so excited I love watches ah I don't know why but I just got like this crazy image of brian klug running speed tests like like reading like speed test results in binary or something like that guy just see ya she blows my mind like that oh my god we got to watch out yeah I wanted up on the show to talk flex a while back and actually maybe this isn't this is real news yeah the Flex is coming to AT&T we knew that so yeah maybe we can have them on to talk flex after we get the 18 to version anyway okay guys it's been over 90 minutes we've covered a really really thick rundown we can't do listener mail because we have to go my voice is getting there and i think i'm going to ask you gents if you need any if you have any points to make before we get out the house Taylor um come back to me I didn't cuss started all right I'm a you haven't spoken in a little bit I feel like we've been neglecting you over there because maybe because you're drunk think we lost them so yeah I was just looking up the headaches tracking for that moto x and it's still m.i.a so wow that's too bad it was but uh yeah I'm candidate for the weekend we've lost Jaime Jaime has scrolling dots over his face so we've lost time eh that is sad news I would love to have him have mom for the sayonara but of course we know we know who hi Mei is and we were happy to have him on the show as always Taylor thank you for joining me thanks for having me i feel like uh that's always I feel like a staple these days you would you rather would I get out co-host I don't know what happened something magical though thank you everyone again tired of finding two people every week yeah it's just easier this way I wish I could do more podcast every week to be honest with you I don't wish I could edit more of them i wish i could do them more because the fun anyway Thank You Taylor for joining me hi mate one last try you burnt you around I'm here buddy sorry you're talking off the call so you've arrived just in time to say goodbye to our loyal listeners yeah you dropped up again oh that's great alright everyone that's going to do it today for the episode 080 of the pocket and weekly thanks for joining us you can find us on twitter casper tech cas ber tek jaime Rivera hi mate underscore Rivera captain two phones you can also follow pocket now officially Twitter Instagram Facebook Google+ and you can share opinions with other listeners online at forums pocketnow.com hey if you enjoy the podcast we love a review on xbox music stitcher or itunes or anywhere else reviews can be left and if you have a 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