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fingerprints on your iPhone might not be such a bad thing going forward leaked announcements tell us our trip to Germany won't be in vain and will we ever see another windows phone from HTC all that and much more in the hour ahead on episode 05 seven of the pocket not weekly the once-a-week podcasts from pocket now where we discuss smartphones tablets and the state of mobile technology in 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and today I'm joined by freshly vacationed managing editor and Tandy nausea in oradea romania good morning to you sir good morning good afternoon good evening everybody and by the baritone the bold the brassy Joe Levi from Utah here in the States good morning to you android guy I am so much a base not a baritone but I'll forgive you this one time you know what I will take that correction I've always made I've like wittingly made that mistake over and over because I like the way the word baritone sounds better than base it does sounds better and it's not often misspelled with a fish I was just gonna say it's not a hominid I'm tomogram hologram anyway we've got a lot of news to jump into and a finite time schedule not sure if we'll get to listener mail I guess it depends on my my co-hosts and how quickly the show goes but Before we jump into the rundown Tony kicked off the pre-show IM thread with them with the phrase hold this cat which is not quite as quite as stirring as what is it high tech catamaran or is no humongous tinfoil be okay right right right but in surely there are many other variations to come of course we're referring to the Robert Downey jr. HTC commercials the campaign which I will admit guys I don't know Joe I don't know what your status is but I haven't watched the whole thing I'd have just seen the 15 second teaser I know the commercials are out there and I hear they're really bizarre is that true I'm Gary interim bone concert Wednesday money for that I'm so would I is that one of yours Tony or general i think it's it's it was there or in the comments Wow and Tony then I feel like I know Anton's feeling on this because he followed up that initial one with them what is it hopeless television commercial isn't that right yeah and I have an even better one which suits the one it's horrid telephone camera oh no it doesn't i like the the one so let's so there seems to be some kind of divided opinion and maybe i'm being a little generous i don't think a lot of people are really digging is these commercials i'm wrong on that this is a new campaign from HTC by the way listeners if you don't know what we're talking about this is their new push that they've apparently spent what a billion dollars on did I sing like that I I think Robert Downey jr. guts you and a half million for for the campaign which will run through two years it's a it's a two-year campaign Mike they've they've got him for two years whether or not they keep doing this guy not I'm still holding out hope that they change to something a little more professional else can I say it so like you see you see the where they were going with this right you've got like Robert Downey jr. he's got the whole Tony Stark thing going on he's associated with technology is one of the most popular performers in the world right now and he is also happens to be a good guy these days so like you know you're like all right perfect target so you see why HTC would have would have chosen him but I think what people are kind of weird about is or what's not landing with people as the concept right which is basically the Robert Downey jr. showing up in random places and coming up with weird permutations on the acronym HTC like hot tea catapult hipster troll carwash and that's that rocks that's true I gotta come on that now according to add age which I'm reading right now or how do you pronounce I mean it's it's a it's a play on things right a deja dodge and anyways this spot prompt promotes the idea that HTC can be anything you want it to be and ends with the forward-looking tag here's to change which is not you know I get it I you know that HTC has done conceptual level stuff like this before we all loved the the you campaign best ever best ever agreed but this is not the you campaign is it no no this is like that you campaign taken to some strange weird carnival sideshow and it's gonna get attention that's for sure no question no question but is it is it going to be the right kind of attention to what do you think about the prospects for this lasting for this succeeding Anton first well ask you guys something you are in the business and you know stuff about HTC but if you are your own sister or your mother or somebody who is not that well educated in technology what does this commercial tell you does it tell you something about the mobile phone a mobile phone company does it invite you to buy something does it sell you a product no I mean not from what I've seen and Joe have you have you seen the full one yeah I've seen the fall and it was just a an off to the side rip on the nice i originally not the full HD one which I'm sure will have a link to in the show but yeah it's it's there to grab attention it's there to make you go what was that and it's there to help customers remember or potential customers remember what they saw and kind of get that acronym stuck in your head it's not advertising a phone it's not even really advertising the company it's just it's a huge brand recognition campaign to make people smile and laugh so and I think if we keep in mind that this is going to be a long-term push but presumably then this makes a bit more sense than we can say okay this is the absurd part where they actually grab attention with it and then over the next few weeks months and years maybe they build on this and advertise specific products with it with this thing that's already gotten our attention that's the only way this makes sense to me yeah they're going to loop everything together and have the same the same faces similar situations i'd love to see as we're going forward and actually starting to see products and and features more than products features of sense and whatnot advertised if off in the back found we see some of these things that we saw in the initial really weird out there what on earth are they talking about commercial I just run through here sense and it's across all this stuff and woohoo and it's great and we love it and just right at the end of the commercial pull this cat just ditch everything yet yeah hey is that the new whole diskette one I love that it's the HTC cat I love that the the a th article also says that reminds us that HTC's actual acronym is is a high-tech computer corporation wait let's not forget about that it's just hilarious i I hope that at some future add you know from this campaign we we see the company kind of um bring that out to bring that to light and and tongue-in-cheek fi it I would really like to see our DJ just so you know pull that out of it's like a high-tech computer and and everyone everyone look at him like he's an idiot before I was gonna say for about an hour or so until it got deleted the best comment and the most uploaded comment on the video on youtube on the original video on HTC's channel was help this company oh yeah I remember that yeah I saw that one now so God I this can go one of two ways this could go the way that we just described in an ideal scenario where the campaign matures and actually does its job or it could go the way of the the palm girl and I think only time will tell but I think it's fair to say at this point that we're all just either intrigued or confused and things could be worse am i right let's hope they will sister most of us are a little intrigued and a lot so we're a little bit of both right not mutually exclusive this way yeah true well then let's move on from from HTC I like the I I woke up I've woken up this entire week to Jaime Rivera on the pocket now daily because I've this is not a plug by the way this is actually true because I realized I wasn't watching the show at all I hadn't watched it in weeks and I was like well that's a bad bad idea why don't you watch I'm is show again at precedence I know right so i've been i've been waking up to the pocket not daily every day this week and its really helped me avoid things falling too cracks on last week's listener mail episode of the weekly I I Stephen shank brought up the what is it what's your move on to phone the edge is that what the vid yes yes yeah and I was like yeah I mean who's gonna buy this thing and Stevens like well I'm gonna buy one I'm like we're really and he's like yeah I wrote an editorial about how i pre-ordered my god I got a bit more attention I'm sorry no so but the point is a high my pocket a daily have been keeping me in the know and one of my favorite things was this this whole stretch of this week the episode as I think Tony tell me if I'm wrong here but it's confirmed for me that our trip to Aoife is going to be a really great time because there's gonna say yeah and I have a feeling that once again this year will be done with Aoife by the time Aoife starts yeah yeah yeah I completely agree whose windows phone a sec that was mine oh you have to ask you've got Tony and you've got Joe the android guy whose windows phone was that seriously I know but I didn't expect her to have his like active I thought he'd pull the sim out of the thing and leave it alone now it son Wi-Fi only jerk I so I'm right now so uh I didn't really frame that Aoife bit correctly Aoife is coming up next month early next month it is the annual trade show in berlin germany where companies show off their radio telephone where's if you will and we went last year was my first trade show ever in my life and it was wonderful but then I I did CES and mwc as well and what last year's trade show circuit taught me your last season's was that if all of the important stuff now happens at independent announcements outside of food shows it's not the way it used to be but so I was worried about Aoife this year I'm like Tony we're gonna have to beat role on the show floor out in the fringes doing reports on like you know pokemon cases and refrigerators that tweet goodbye Cuba nurse yeah but no I mean it looks like we're gonna have some cool stuff here we keep getting specs leaked on the galaxy note 3 which and that that's kind of been an ephah thing like that is that's the the halo product of Aviva you know for a point at a point I was afraid that since the yellow cs3 was the first galaxy s to move away from mwc maybe maybe Samsung will move away with the note 3 from Eva but hopefully I was wrong hopefully so yeah all signs still point to an ephah announcement for this thing and we'll get into the to the specifics of that a little bit but I just want to outline it and say that we are also expecting what else is in the other thing here the Sony this don't yeah there's a sony event that that we own ami is it right and then there's the we may see the HTC one max we don't have any evidence to that right not yet yeah but hopefully the HTC uses that opportunity if that is the case it will be the logical move it would be because you'd be putting it up right up against what Samsung is dropping but then there's also the thing that I'm most excited about can you guess what it is yeah I'll let you guys talk I'll be back Thank You Jojo called it the SmartWatch the galaxy gear smartwatch launched at Samsung Aoife event confirmed according to Stephen shanks news story from yesterday it looks like there's a trademark has been filed for the name galaxy gear on behalf of Samsung and it might be on Jennifer Lee is the ephah event and this is coming to us from Sam mobile so this is a smart watch it looks any kind of big company that's bringing a smart watches exciting to me are you guys as surprised as I am that um or excuse me as unsurprised as I am that Samsung has beat Apple to the punch on this or or you know if this is true because I'm already had a SmartWatch before this well I mean like a real smart wait which one are you talking about them I think I'll look it up but I don't know why I have this idea that they already had a SmartWatch before us you're not thinking of the Sony live viewer no no hmm oh that's not a SmartWatch oh so you know we've given the the increased awareness of wearable tech and smart watches in particular thanks to pebble and some of its competitors that are still kind of trying to get their feet under them I think this is going to be definitely a well-attended launch event if it happens I think this is going to be a very interesting products say and I really really hope the rumors are true because if we see this eve I'm just gonna be so so thrilled even if it's bad i'm going to be excited because I just love smart yeah that's Michael yeah do you remember the only SmartWatch I was excited about oh yeah totally that was at mwc said tony was like it's super excited for the the M watch the big one is uh oh I'm watch yes that's right I can never remember the brand name because it's the weirdest brand name I've ever heard yeah yeah I should hire Robert Downey jr. yeah it's already weird enough so I'm pretty excited about it you didn't happen to find the the other samsung Smart Watch teacher Tony and I wasn't even looking I'll start looking don't have to and it's okay we can we can move on I just I'm just excited you know I'm encapsulating all of this broadly to say that I think it's gonna be really cool in Berlin in a couple weeks and I'm excited to see all the stuff with my own eyeballs and to bring it to y'all yeah plus let's not forget about the rumored LG G pad LG's gumba yeah so I was going to put that into a rundown and then I just failed to get at all excited about it so I didn't is that going to be an E is that rumor to me and Aoife releases well yes yes and it's rumored to be the comeback of LG in the tablet world and it looks to be from the rumors a solid competitor for the Xperia tablet Z yeah so let's talk about LG for a second so that that is an 8-inch tablet that we may or may not see and the reason I couldn't necessarily get excited about it was because you know I was at the g2 event and the event itself was wonderful and the product itself is very powerful but it it didn't stir my emotions now you we have Joe the android guy on the show and I want to ask him cuz Tony you and I have talked about it a bit but i'll ask for your opinion on in a second Joe what was your feeling on the LG g2 uh yeah that about sums it up as a great sound brother do you like that you think you need a moment it's just a rush of mixed emotions looking at the device it's it's a logical evolution it's what kind of we'd expect to be it doesn't include all the specs that I thought it would have you know it was not guy having a fingerprint scanner him no I was expecting it to have a Snapdragon 800 and right now it looks like it's just going to be a 600 which still that's good and the g2's got the 800 we're talking about the g2 not the Nexus 5 hello oh yeah yeah sorry sorry yeah I'm difficult then I gotta start all over you're right yeah that is ultimately where I'm going with this but because we haven't talked about the g2 itself I wanted to know your yes I was getting ahead of myself in seg laying over so it looks like a good device the videos that i have seen the depictions that i have seen it looks really nice i'm not a fan of custom skins i don't really like the whole overlay that that LG has but it's got a nice you know the knock-knock features really cool i love that yeah if they feature where you can double tap on the screen to unlock and do not panic and to relock it yeah the turn the screen off i think that's great and it takes away from the the oddity of having that power button on the back which honestly i think that and the volume keys are a really great idea i loved that when we had the power button on the back of the motorola xoom if you remember way back in the day that was just a convenient leave a place button and i think this is a good place to do it and it kind of goes without saying but I'm gonna say it anyway we've been begging to have bezel lyst designs forever and we just kind of never asked the question you know what are we going to do with the buttons that are on the bezel where where they going to go how are we going to handle that then well here's here's LG's answer is it the answer that's going to stick around i don't know but unless we're putting them on the top or the bottom i think we're going to have to you know and that's a good point and according to LG according to their marketing materials the button on the back makes everything possible you gotta remember that it makes everything possible tony was your feeling on that on the g2 I'm gonna have a say that I my feeling towards the g2 is exactly the same as my feeling was towards the s4 hmm so this isn't exactly the same it's a good phone it's a great phone I love the bezel is designed but it somehow fails to excite me and believe me I'm one of the few LG fans on the team we'll see here's the thing that that was my frustration and I wrote a piece to this effect last week that I won't recount my room my entire opinion but um you know I wasn't an LG fan I came on the team last year you know in the in the spring and at that time LG hadn't made anything really compelling to my eye in a while and they'd been fooling around with 3d displays and claiming that they first those were fun yes I was like okay whatever LG I mean like I don't know what you're doing but it's not exciting to me and then somehow I got I was the one to review the optimus G and as we know if you've listened to the pocket I weekly for as for the over the year that it's been on the air you know that the optimus G like blew us all away from hardware to software it's just an outstanding experience and so I became a very you know I didn't become a fan boy but I became you know I was impressed by LG for a bit and I was excited to see what the g two became and to see that they've abandoned that that that identity that Hardware identity that they had of glass and kind of faux metal and this unique look for essentially a galaxy s4 clone on the hardware side is really frustrating to me and I mean the build site I mean of course the hardware is impressive with the snapdragon 800 down to the hood and and all that stuff and i love some of the new software features but even the software is visually speaking for a shallow individual like myself needs of stuff to look good this is not the most exciting phone i've ever seen but um you know I think it's also important to keep in mind the Samsung is blowing everyone else out of the water with the galaxy s4 which is a lightweight shiny plastic phone with cartoony software so hopefully LG does very well with this we'll see we're gonna get a run review unit at some point but you anyway so that's that's it but the whole reason I brought up the g2 is not to talk with a g2 but to talk about the fact that the LG Nexus 5 is rumored to be a watered-down g2 now Joe you had some thoughts on this jump right to those attract yes you did oh wow what's the deal i want to remind everybody I'm two hours earlier than Michael so if he sounds tired subtract two hours for that well I am I am tired i'm also scatterbrained if you couldn't tell because i woke up and i had to do something that I can't talk about it's under embargo until tomorrow but you'll find out tomorrow I did something too but it's not under immoral and I'm not gonna talk about so the Nexus 5 we don't know if that's what it's going to be called we kind of think it is and my suspicions I've got a piece that I was supposed to get up this morning but I deliberately didn't because I wanted to talk about it on air and and get you guys to to weigh in so I don't sound like an idiot anymore than I already do at this point in the podcast the g2 I'm sorry the the Nexus 5's many numbers on the screen why can't they call it something like galaxy s5 I think it's going to be based on the g2 just like our Nexus 4 was based on the optimus G and I'm happy with that I'm entirely good with that if the rumors hold true and it has a step down in the process or down to the Snapdragon 600 from the 800 that'll be a little bit frustrating to me a little bit disappointing I think we can still do a flagship phone at plus or minus twenty dollars thirty dollars higher than what the nexus 4 was sold for instil still have a really good phone and have the flagship SOC built into it and it's also got a different camera it looks like again jack speculation here from 13 to 10 megapixels it looks like and no word on optical stabilization right and then coming from a nexus 4 hey a 10 megapixel camera I'm good with that right right and that also puts it at parity with the Moto X Google's other high-profile device right I'm not too happy with cutting the storage down you know if you've got an eight gig or 16 gig phone okay give me an SD card slot so I can throw a 64 gig card in there in store my music my movies might whatever because despite how people say well everything's in the cloud it that's great when you're in range of the cloud when the cloud doesn't have hiccups when just a lot of its study outside and there's no blood oh snap there have been a couple days last two days in a row out here where my t-mobile has just been miserable I've way well normally I know I'm great where I am I'm just trolling them sorry yeah you control and that's cool but what I tell people is look at who is using the devices look at who's using the carriers in your area no it's because your carriers are very much area specific and out where I am t-mobile is generally great especially with LTE but you've been having a hard time recently I've been having and connected to the network but no data over the network for the last couple days so it's been hard and that means I can't read my my ebooks because I've only got a few pages you know the next chapter on / unless you've downloaded the playlists you yeah no netflix no YouTube no films so you would still prefer more internal storage I think we I would like to have that well I wouldn't have there's hope for that because the g2 is rumored to be or not rumored no I'm sorry an LG xpression confirmed or executive confirmed that the g two would be modified for different carrier so they're going to be carrier variants with different specs yeah that's great yeah Nexus 5 nope it's not gonna have a slot Wow I mean but that's not confirmed we don't know that I mean it's it's a nexus right I I know that it's what the president's you know that I know you know it's not gonna have a slot yeah but anyway um we will see what this is again this is not really compelling to me Tony what is your feeling on this I can't remember a single Nexus phone which was a flagship device so stepping down the processor to a Snapdragon 600 is still a fast device I mean just look at the HTC One look at the the Snapdragon 600 versions of the s4 that's a fast SOC so i will really mind that much the 10 megapixel camera come on 600 Snapdragon with 10 megapixel shooter better than the HTC one so in terms of specs respects on paper I don't mind the the reduction of specifications what I do mind is the a gig version show that that even for me is a little bit just too too little yeah but that is has its data set I can live with these pecs and again it's going to be a very cheap device if these rumors don't turn out to be true and the other Nexus it got another one exercise will never never buy it it's okay i'll i'll pick that for you it's great yeah you know it's funny because i think the Galaxy Nexus was the closest one that I saw achieve like semi flagship status and it's coincidentally the only one I bought and and really enjoyed um for a bit you know with the exception of the horrible camera and bad screen and bad battery life and that you know that kind of stuff get the extended battery and everything's happy had extended battery that's the problem I've got my I'm galaxy nixie in my house ex I well it's gonna be it's gonna be fun to see this I can only imagine that we will be paying very close attention to this and then in the weeks ahead so stay tuned for more on that lets move on and talk a little bit about just touch very briefly under device we mentioned before from another company a large device the HTC One max Hymie described this in his pocket now daily as this this leaks press render as well it looks like an HTC One and the one mini yeah it's just I am looking at this press render right now and Tony this was your new story from August 12 mm-hmm but I have an update yeah you know good well it's just the leaked press render if it is still legit is it looks identical to the one I think the the larger HTC logo on the back sort of gives it away but and the new placement of the LED flash on the back Oh what it's under instead of a long time yeah but I've I think if my sclerosis is letting me think clearly that HTC according to some reports at one point debunked these renders and said that there is nothing true about them now I don't know if it's true or not if the report is true or not or if HTC's debunking is you're not real that's the update yeah yeah i mean this others i'm looking for for floods on this while you look at news it would make all the sense in the world for the HTC one max to look like this because the HTC one is the standard design which HTC was reusing for the one mini which we reviewed and it would just make sense all the sense in the world for the one max to look similar I mean same design same aluminum materials and you know what I wouldn't mind yeah now I the only thing that's been in the past 24 hours we've only seen reposts of the original leak so we have no no information on either way either way on this right now it does it make sense for HTC to to kind of try and penetrate into the phablet space I mean it's growing certainly but is it growing as explosively outside of the territory of say the Galaxy Note right now yo well the way I look at it is if they don't do something to get into the the phablet tablet space somebody else will and they're going to miss the opportunity this design has been proven to work well it stands out it's not like just a generic slab that nobody can recognize and nobody knows the difference it stands out primarily because it's got those front firing speakers so HTC is sitting on the edge of an opportunity to get into that space than to make their name known not just on phones but on phablets tablets and move on from there whether or not they're going to take advantage of that opportunity or even if they're able to take advantage of that opportunity remains to be seen but if they're gonna do it the the design of the one is the time to do it and maybe that's the whole point behind it is they've got this one design that they're going to lead the company with and you know then in six or eight months will be bored with it and no say oh it's just a just another one there's nothing new to the design yeah i can i can already envision my art tone of voice as we say you know eight months ago this was awesome guys but do say different aren't we fickle we sure are let's remember we yeah we don't have to be huge analysts to see that HTC is bombing or targeting hopefully these words won't trigger some NSA reactions samsung with their latest products i mean the HTC One and the s4 side-by-side s4 mini one mini side by side right no three max side-by-side so whatever Samsung is doing on whatever screen size level HTC is doing the same you know and I think that it's it's a great policy now I I think tactically this is true now Tony sent a link to to join me would to a tech radar article which is the the one that is calling this possible load of massive baloney because none other than well first of all this leak came from from heavily and then it was debunked on the engadget post by none other than Jeff Gordon if she sees PR you know when a PR for you immune occations manager yeah senior global online communications manager cheese boy that's a I didn't know that's that's a Bible just an awesome title I can't i have a title like that no so it you know who said it was fake ewa lakes is way off his game and then of course the engadget commenter community called him a troll and they you know do all devolved into whatever but you know whether whether or not this particular render is official i think it makes a lot of sense i think we all three of us something i think it makes a lot of sense for HTC to be you know playing in this in this market although it i have to be honest with you guys I would be very concerned about how they would leverage the added screen size because they don't have I hate to sound like a broken record on this but they don't have the digitizer they don't have the the compelling stylist solution which makes the Galaxy Note line compelling you know and this is what I say whenever another company comes into the fabulous patient like sugar this huge screen I'm like sweet what can I do with it nothing you know because there's not added hardware to take advantage of all the real estate and so I don't know I know you're a huge fan of the stylus or another additional input method but now i will disagree again like we usually disagree since since i have the one the one oh my god since i have the male 2 it's in 702 i can't remember maybe two or three times pulling out the stylus out of which the first couple of times were when we were in barcelona when i brought me the note when you serve got it yeah yeah I don't use this stylist at all so I'm just using my phablet whenever using the fell but I think Joe dropped off oh all right we're gonna Mack um yeah I'm using it like a big fella yeah and what is that and I mean is that more compelling to I mean just these just the sheer added size not necessarily the the added size but the advantages which come with it and I'm specifically thinking about the larger screen which allows me to see more information at one time and and the larger battery and we all know we love the note 2 because it had a great battery life and larger the phone the larger the battery well it's true but then there is a threshold to that welcome back Joe okay thank you could it be back there is a there is a threshold to tube to what will accept from next as we just saw from Taylor Martin's review of the Xperia Z ultra yeah there's a lion yeah there's a line there although I understood that is the prettiest review i've seen visually in a while like taylor really did a nice job on the layout on that one just to Michael geeky about layout for a second you realize that he said he said the sentence to the guy who was using guess whose phone bed I was just gonna say yeah Tony you're like the biggest fan of oversized phones and many tablets so yeah wait maybe we should get tailored to oh no we have to send that back to negri don't we I was gonna think we already did sad face cuz I would have brought it over to your 4eva anyway so let's let's let's jump ahead we don't know we don't even know if this thing is real and it's been fun to speculate but there's other real news to deal with in particular a bit of a question asking from our friend Joe Levi is the new Moto X 8 chip the future of Android asks Joe I can't wait to hear the answer because when we talked about this with joe i said i was curious to hear about this topic specifically but i haven't managed to read the post so i'm gonna mute and just listen yeah you know that's great I you know because I would like to hear it from Joe's mouth as well I've read T editorial just this morning in fact and I tend to agree with your conclusions Joe but I think it's going to be an uphill battle convincing ordinary people or ordinary geeks that this is at all worthwhile what is your you're given tell us what the x8 system is if you want alright so first to to address your point is it at all worthwhile yes absolutely yes is the new motorola x8 chip the future of android yes and no and this will will caveat that it's nice but and then remind us of what what it what it's halo product it is yes so so so everybody knows the motorola x8 is more than just an SOC it is the the chipset essentially to use an old term that we don't see much anymore that motorola is using in their current devices it's in the moto x it's in some of the newer droids and in short they are doing something unusual they are taking instead of consolidating everything that they can on to a chip that's what an SOC is it's at a system-on-a-chip instead of doing that consolidating costs reducing materials they're pulling out very specific features and functionalities and putting them on their own discreet little bits of of silicon they're putting them in their own chips so x 8 is essentially an SOC and in this case it's a Snapdragon and who cares about what it is but it's got these two other very distinct chips that do very specific things and they do so at very very low power it's got a digital signal processor and it's got kind of like a ambient awareness processor that knows contextually where it is what environment it's in is it in your pocket is it in your purse is it face down on the desk and then can apply logic to that say well I should have my screen off or I should have the screen on or I should have the volume louder or I should not be listening to hear things because I'm going to be muffled in a bag right and just to inject to inject a little bit there it is having the Moto X around the house is always interesting because I can move jostle the table that all my phones are on and only one of them lights up because only one of them knows it's moving and is applying logic to that and saying oh well you have notifications and you haven't moved me in a while so here I am and it'll you know the active display will breathe and then it'll go away and it's really nice sorry go ahead just interrupt a little bit I want to interrupt you both first of all me you Michael because you were the most recent to talk if you remember the s4 had such a feature that whenever you picked up ps4 it's slightly vibrated if you miss something well the s4 was sleeping on the table yeah that's true that's one and a question to Joe if for for the layman out there would it be ok or fair to make an analogy between these x8 extra SOC s or extra pieces of silicon and the GPU the GPU is doing specific graphic tasks and these pieces of silicon in the x8 are doing also specific pieces of that so is it ok if I as a layman think about this extra chip like GPU but for other activities sure so to speak to that your GPU your graphics processing unit and there's usually at least a couple cores handling processing visual data and turning it into pixels on your screen that's only on when the device is on when the cpu is getting instructions and doing things and they work together the cpu ram and GPU all work together it kind of in in conjunction with one another so you really can't have GPU without CPU however you can have these other chips and that's really what sets them apart from everything else that not everyone is doing but it changes the paradigm to have these chips that are always awake they're just sipping at the power because they're designed not to use much power at all but they're operating completely separately from the cpu from the GPU from all of the other stuff and sometimes that means they're waking them up to do things sometimes that means they're putting them into a deeper hibernation or deeper sleep there they're doing all kinds of stuff more intelligently which helps with responsiveness it makes it so your device is ready for whatever you're going to use you don't have to wait for it to warm up into wake up it's there it's it's already there because it knows what you're doing or it's helping save battery by putting into that deeper better backpack and you're not going to use it until you know you open the bag go digging for it and pull it out and by that time those several seconds it takes you to get your phone out it has realized what you're doing and it's waking everything up and it's all ready for you when you get to that point but in the meantime it just saved you a ton of battery because your CPU wasn't in standby it was it was in a deep sleep and that all plays to to motorola's intention of designing a phone that's not more powerful in this case but it uses its existing power more intelligently much more intelligently now before we get too deep into this uh which we may already be past that event horizon that the title of the article is is the new motorola x8 chip the future of android then we've got quite a bit of discussion going on there a lot of people are saying you know Samsung has a lot of this stuff that they're already doing they have discrete DSPs and whatnot digital signal process those points yes readers you are absolutely right this article was specifically about the motorola x8 but in the bigger scheme of things we're going to start seeing it Joe predicting the future here we're going to start seeing more of these things pulled out of the traditional SOC and put into discrete chips for the battery savings for the ambient information for all of that but that also means now you've got those chips that and evolve on their own separately from your traditional SOC so now if we want to switch over to an atom or if we want to switch over to a Tegra you've got these separate chips that you can put in there you don't have to build this technology into the Snapdragon into the tech right into the atom motor a little bit more specific about that they said you know we've completely isolated the we've optimized the s4 that we're using but it's not an integral component you can swap out any chip any AP in there that you want exactly so whether we're going to see the x8 chips powering every Android in the future not I think that's what a lot of people thought the article was about and and that's what we're talking about specifically but we're gonna see other manufacturers come up with similar solutions that do the same thing as the x8 chips do and that's really a misnomer they're not an X 8 chip but x8 the philosophy the family yeah yeah and and we're going to see that come to all other different platforms underneath the Android umbrella and really motorola just took a huge leap ahead of everybody else by doing this they've positioned themselves so that when new esos they don't have to worry about building their stuff into it they just plop it and go they've put themselves ahead of the rest of the field in that regard and in the regard of what their devices do and now everybody else has to play catch-up Jill is making a solid efforts not to turn into an Android yeah charger poor joe i think i think your inner Andruw Jones somebody in Joe's houses i think sneaking some youtube videos on the side or something cuz we keep losing it at points Joe that's sorry I'm even hardwired into the network at this point so that's cool man oh it's cool we're still getting your thing listen I I think you're right this I love this this philosophy this thing that it's like okay we're breaking it out of the mold of like all right well what's on this next one well this is new or so it's said okay so it's nap track at eight hundred the previous one is Snapdragon 600 whatever no this is a designed system built specifically and you know designed so that you are not using the processing power you don't need to be at specific points and I think whether you call it X 8 whether it's from Motorola what it doesn't matter this is a much smarter approach and it's going to be used by every company eventually going forward because the concept will yes that's what yeah the chips in particular probably not although Motorola maybe licensing these two other people until they get their own up and running again see Samsung buying their chips who knows you know who knows but everybody mark this day down this is a fundamental shift not just in Android but in the way that we use our mobile devices and we'll be looking back on this in one or two or three years this is when it all happened this is when it started everybody else is going to get to this point and it it fundamentally changes the way that we interact with our devices much for the better I like it that's a solid button there tell me to have anything to add absolutely not I have taken every word from Joe's mouth and is I buried it deep in my brains excellent excellent good we're all intelligent more intelligent than we were before and hopefully listeners that applies to you as well with regard chip design which I think Joey did a wonderful job of making that not as dry as it could have been I'll try to be drier yeah we've so it just to move on to something that I don't think is going to be a game changer and this will close out Android before before I say the positive thing about this let me just say the negative thing I don't know guys I don't know what to do with this sony has sony sony has taken a different approach to smartphone camera photography two cameras are a big deal right cameras are huge we've been talking about the 1020 forever the Moto X tries to have a good camera but it doesn't but they gave it their old college try the LG g2 now has optical image stabilization you know we're seeing cameras become very very important actually that happened a while ago but all of the Samsung cameras that are out there yeah the dedicated camera dicated Android is yet like the you know photography has become huge in the mobile space so Sony rather than play the game with everybody else of making like kind of either clunkier phones or phones with a lot of features pac-10 has apparently according to some leaks published in a story from three days ago from Stephen shank sony has apparently opted to design some accessories that latch on to your smartphone and provide better photographs that way and I don't mean like a little dime sized magnetic this if this leak is correct and if the scale is right in this photo which comes to us from Sony Alpha rumors yeah I this is it looks like kind of almost full DSLR sighs yeah it's like taking an Xperia Z and slapping a can of lentil soup on the back of it right it's huge it's called in this photo is called the Sony lens G and it has an optical zoom capability because its massive it is massive I'm its massive and I apparently what what is it what it was the info here it connects to the phone via NFC and Bluetooth is that right and it it will attach to your phone with magnets the claim goes so I have no idea how that happens because as Steven rightfully points out the Xperia Z is mainly glass on the back there that's not a problem you troll it's got a battery right in sawed oh it's got a battery of itself to you of course a yeah I would have to do another the first leak on the first vendor there is also a holder which seems to hold it in place yeah there's a clip that good which is great because you don't want to have the thing tumble off the off your phone when you're you know bouncing around is there any optical image stabilization that we're seeing don't think that's the issue here Lily also has a little Wi-Fi logo on it too so there's a Wi-Fi local on on the on little heed image am so maybe would you carry this in your pocket I mean just the lens because the film you have the phone that's the real question right first of all this this is not one of those little stick-on lenses that simply goes over the the camera that you have on your device and adds optical zoom to it right this is completely self-contained second is today the first of April hmm because that was the impression I got when I first saw this is an epic april fools joke same time so this is this looks ridiculous let's get this out of the way this looks hilarious in the press render it looks like something that would be very uncomfortable to carry in a pocket it looks like something I would have a very hard time using on a day-to-day basis it just it's it's hilarious and by the same token this is cool in the way that the phone pad is cool or no padfone she's I hate how they did that yeah the PadFone with the plug-in smarter the a serious thing with a plugin smartphone to the tablet like this is one of those throwback concepts of the future that I that feels like it comes out of like 2003 as a matter of fact hold up it does remember before smartphone before phones had integrated cameras we had those camera attachments from what Sony Ericsson yeah they clipped into the data port on the bottom and so had one mm-hmm this is exactly that except obviously much more capable but you still end up having to carry two things so I think for the average consumer this is not going to be going to be great but Sony is a company that also makes really great cameras they make the camera that hi May and I use for our all our pocket now videos they're a wonderful camera company yeah so this might produce some really excellent results but my question I guess is still if you're carrying around two separate things if you care about camera quality that much why will not just carry a phone in a camera and I never advocate that but in this case well yeah but this is smaller than the camera than a dedicated camera and if my logic is right this being standard NFC compatible if you have an HTC with mfc you could probably attach it to the HTC or samsung galaxy s4 now Joe what do you think okay so NFC you're not going to be transferring pictures over NFC the NFC if it really has NFC in it is only going to be used to pouring guys yeah pair the device to it and of course not every device has NFC which is silly these days so there's going to be a way to do it manually and whether it talks via a Wi-Fi direct or whether it talks through bluetooth i would say probably Wi-Fi direct because there's it's faster yeah bluetooth for uses Wi-Fi direct as its transfer protocol anyway so however it's doing that looking at the press renders this guy is seeing on his screen as the viewfinder what he's seeing through the lens so it's going to be some kind of a real-time connection it I don't know it just looks really goofy to me this would be something like I would carry in this particular case my in my xperia z2 by a note to the club in the evening and carry it naked and then I'd go to Berlin with Michael and I bring my sony lens G with me because I would like to ah so this this is the only scenario in which I can imagine this in my life and like I get it see that's the thing I my I want to justify that I want to make this work because a it's a cool idea be it increases the versatility of your device and I'll say Dan see it's a really cool idea it's a cool like retro futuristic concept and it could result in some added convenience if you're carrying a man purse around or a bag or you know you're ready for a trade show like you just said Tony yea though to answer your question with some you know speculation of my own will this lens be compatible with other phones I would say not if Sony can help it because sony has always on in the company that's like we're going to make our own standard we're not going to play nice with all y'all and you know as they have wonderful products in their history as well as a result because I loved my mini disc player for a long time but you know they're not around anymore so we will have to see I guess the rumors are pointing to a possible Aoife release for this and if this does get dirty if I Tony I'm gonna be so Jessie this you know it's funny because I really want to make it clear that though I'm sort of crapping all over this idea it's I'm not because it does seem very intriguing to me in a very geeky way I Justin pessimistic about its concepts for widespread adoption because looks ridiculous so let's let's take this one out of the way and let's go back to those deinem sized fish fish lines stick ons yeah those second why why can't someone do something like this maybe some some knock off and make that concept work with this kind of concept so instead of having this Wi-Fi Bluetooth NFC yadda yadda yadda just a big honking telephoto lens that you slap on the back of your phone and it sticks there with magnets and suction cups I don't know I don't know I just I mean I give her you're saying it's it's simpler but yeah I i can see knockoffs of that happening i'm sure losing it and i'm sure people are already at work on it and we'll see it in like the fringes of the show floor at Aoife so anyway we'll we'll have to circle back on that and hopefully we get some more info on that but let's move on to windows phone if it's all right with everyone windows while we're talking about cameras we have a comparison up and I won't dwell too long on this but I figured I would put it in the right now because I figured Tony would want to say something Michael take take good care of it Tony's going through withdrawals yes I'm sad I'm a little sad about this piece because I worked pretty hard on a matter of fact I pushed back a review the texts piece because I it took me like two days to put this thing together which is a comparison in video comparison and a text comparison comparing the nokia lumia 1020 and the original nokia 808 PureView it is posted at pocket now you can check it out it went up yesterday and I'm sad about it because it's you know it's very late and and I think this is not something that people are really discussing as much as they have been in the past few weeks but we were kind of overwhelmed with a lot of device launches and whatever plus Tony's 808 the only ate away at the pocket no team has it was with Tony in Aradia so way over the pond yeah so Tony we had it we eat the cost to send that to Boston by way of New York by way of france by way all these places but anyway finally arrived at arrive like three days late because of the stupid signature requirement and blah blah blah blah blah i got the thing and then i had to take a bunch of pictures side by side I take a lot of video side by side and by the time I'm we were done it's up and now I don't think anybody really cares because we're late but I'm very proud of the the amount of samples i was able to get and i am also and this is I think we're Tony and I will disagree I think we already disagree on it and I am also very happy that I own the 1020 because I much prefer the output from the 10 20 even though I think from a pro photographer standpoint it is inferior far inferior actually it Tony have you had a chance to look at the sample yes I have and I've analyzed almost pixel by pixel so there there are two things i'm not talking about windows phone because windows phone is doing its best with microsoft to keep me away from using it with i have a couple of problems with Windows Phone and i will use Windows Phone again when these will be fixed but OS aside and strictly talking about the camera I have two problems with the camera on the Lumia 1020 first of all for me personally the colors are very important so when I go out and I snap a picture of something I want that picture to be those colors to be recreated on my monitor on my laptop on my paper if I print it exactly the way my eyes saw that so I don't want a super super super blue sky if in that particular scenario this guy wasn't super blue that's number one and number two and I've read some reports and I've even read Stephen Elop opinion and explanation on this the 1020 does additional sharpening on the image which is of course optional it can be fixed and tweaked by a software update but I don't necessarily like the outcome because it it sharpens everything meaning it sharpens the noise too and the overall images are more noisy noisier than the images on the 808 which in comparison look softer more dull but in reality they are not so these are about the only two things I want to mention and of course you like the output because you like super amyloids divided Instagram and you are the kind of guy who loves these kinds of image images and image reproductions I on the other hand I'm a more classic dinosaur and I talk about windows on my windows will just are usually lighting too low it up over there Tony yeah yeah no you know until you're right you're right and this is it's a great illustration of of subjectivity and and just you know taste because I I admit it yeah I'm kind of I kind of have some tacky tastes when it comes to this kind of stuff if you're gonna give me the choice between authenticity and over saturated colors I'll take the over saturated colors every day I was trying to find the comment while you were speaking but i can't find there's a comment in the post from a hilarious reader who says like yeah I i get the arguments in favor of authenticity but you know i don't really want authenticity all the time because life sucks i wanted to look better than it did and I you know I I am more in that boat and and I really do like the the sharpening because I like to take a photo that I've taken from my 1020 and I like to zoom in on like far away text and be able to read it and yeah as a result there's a lot more noise in the shot but you know with the 808 it's more accurate but that text is is fuzzy it's you know so so it's a question of what you yeah of what you're looking for go ahead Joe no I'm just smiling no no I thought you were trying to jump in there yeah so you know and this is also as luck would have it the first time I've ever included actual 100% crops in a post so being able to look at the grommets on my sperry topsiders that ridiculous ridiculous zoom levels by default is really cool both of these cameras are pretty amazing i have really enjoyed having the 808 next to the 1024 this period even though it meant a pretty in depth bit of bit of work here but you know ultimately i come away from it feeling like the things nokia decided to emphasize besides the contentious stuff that Tony you and I already talked about besides this color saturation sharpening okay we put that aside for a second and the things they've added to the experience to me make it on the whole a much more enjoyable one and i'm not talking about windows phone or anything like that i'm talking about the the optical image stabilization which really does have a nice effect and the the related issue of better low-light performance because i did my best to try and get the ada way to to perform as well in that shot of the enterprise you get a through you get a scan yeah so that that's a huge problem of the 808 if you want low light images it can definitely beat the Lumia 1020 if you are using a tripod with a 2.8 second exposure time but right if you if you're going to hold it by hand there's no way you can get decent images yeah I you both of the low light shots that I specifically called out in the comparison I just I look at the results from the 1020 and ok they're not perfect but man I have never taken a better low-light shot than those two anything and the 808 just you know it can't get close like you say without a tripod you know there's all kinds of other Phil you know other stuff that I encourage everyone to read the description we can't talk about it but I it was just fascinating learning about how different these cameras worried you know everyone assumes that they just took the camera from the 808 bolted it to the back of a 928 called it a day no the 1020 is a completely different design everything about it is different on the inside and the results bear that out so let's check so the person who wants to just pick up their phone and take a really good looking picture of anything regardless of the situation regardless of the lighting indoor/outdoor bright light low light which of these two should they get hey I think that's no it's no question he'll people get the 808 it's Indian oh I know but but if you have if you have those opportunities you know if you had an 808 and a 1020 side by side at the cell phone store which we're never gonna have but if you did which one should they get just for that camera functionality I think because the public's tastes tend to Hugh more closely to mine in my pedestrian you know more more color more sharp equals more better I think then the 1020 is the proper answer that there but I think if you're asking about people who value good photography I think the 808 is is the is the right answer unless you're talking about yeah I think I think to put it differently Michael you've broke we buy it the Lumia 1020 Adam Lane would buy dat wait there you go that's not yeah well if he wasn't if we're if we were not talking about the platform again yeah as long as we leave the opposite of it yeah yeah that's a nice yeah so and speaking of Adam Lane I didn't linked to it here but there is a he wrote a wonderful guide on how to take amazing pictures with the 1020 that taught me a lot of stuff too so check that out usually those are videos but here it's a written piece and it works really well written piece so check that out shall we move on from from these devices tell me I'll bring you your 808 when when I come to Germany I'll keep it safe easily I'm leaving my camera at home so I'm relying on that boy okay no pressure there and to everyone asking if I'm going to be shooting any review videos with the 1020 yes I think I will I think I will shoot a forthcoming video with the 1020 if I can fit it in the windows speaking of videos the windows official YouTube app is back on the Windows Store that was pulled a fence is not working it works for me what's the matter with you is it a region that doesn't work and no have you tried it recently I tried it that fire it up yesterday I don't have a no I don't know fire it up today oh yeah alright well i'm anna sits in the other room i don't know what it what to do with it what woody international of reports yeah like six hours after yep like you tell Joe about it I mean I'm gonna go get my okay six hours after releasing the application I I used it it worked but now it gives me an error and it says something hold on let me relaunch it relaunching it launching and something happened and we're not sure what and there was an interesting post done w be central trying to explain why the error is happening and the bottom line is that we are still not sure whether Google again did something or whether this time Microsoft overlooks some of the things regarding api's licenses and stuff like that too too tacky for me but the bottom line is the app is there downloaded it won't work at the moment and it's filled with one star reports on the Windows Phone store of people were frustrated rightfully that the application is not working and you talk about a high profile I'm download again now because I didn't have it on my 1020 I downloaded it on something else the HTC 8x check the reviews while you're at it I just saw them like it's it sounded like less three stars with a thousand reviews or something like that so that is disappointing you would think that with such a high profile remember when Google pulled it like that was huge news when Microsoft pulled heard at Google's request it was massive news and everyone was complaining you know rightfully so that this awesome YouTube app was being yanked and then they're really it's okay guys we're gonna work together on it he'll be awesome you would think that they would have gotten the launch right right the real I yeah I mean well unless they didn't really work together and Microsoft just found a way to to hack and slash it together while you're waiting for that we know the first thing that happened when I open the app with an error message that said something happened and we're not sure what that's it alright and we're not sure I think that this was probably the shortest topic on the broadcast yeah can we be done with this yeah I just have one little piece of nostalgia and then we can be done yeah do you remember a microsoft messenger way back in the day before it became live messenger and did all whatever do you remember what they did and the reason everybody used it because importa it worked with everything they you know it worked with yahoo messenger it worked with AOL Instant Messenger it just worked it was it was great it was what your one universal thing but Microsoft didn't get permission to do that and they were just putting the stuff in there and as the other companies were figuring out what they were doing they were locking it down so that you couldn't use it for AOL instant messenger anymore and then Microsoft would fix something and it would work again and then AOL would do something and it wouldn't work again so is this just that all over again is Microsoft just making it work by finding holes and exploiting them and then Google catching them and it breaking it I'm tending to agree with you and because i'm going to have just a short explanation around here facebook Messenger is the go-to source for people communicating in text in writing and instant messages on Windows Phone suck I in the past couple of three or four days I'm going to keep on saying it instant messages should be delivered instantly and not after six or seven hours or not being lost summer so in the lack of a proper facebook Messenger application for Windows Phone Microsoft did the same thing which you are referencing with the windows live messenger they integrated Facebook and the Facebook with the People Hub and the Facebook messaging part with the messages hub and I think that that's not an official Facebook thing but it's a microsoft thing my person trying to somehow circumvent or offer a solution which is I'm sorry to say this not working half-assed half-baked you name it we'll see I I have no idea i'm sure this won't take long to fix and you know when they released their their earlier version of this app it was an awesome one so hopefully this will you know come back and and and have its day in the sun after this kind of calamity let's talk briefly about that sure let's just touch on it the Nokia Lumia 820 five is has been tipped as not just a variation on the 820 but as a budget windows phone phablet anyone else leave it's the weirdest thing ever yeah no not that messy shortly but the two words which you omitted probably on purpose from the headline well were yeah i was gonna get to that this thing yeah well okay sorry sorry you're right no that's part of the weird to write it so it's suggested to me there's a Snapdragon 400 but a quad core version of this not dragon 400 hmm i don't have no knowledge of that yeah the time i was talking about how that's weird in the daily and I'm like yeah no and entirely weird but then again the there's that weirdo variant of the s4 pro in the Moto X that we just talked about which is a dual-core device even though it's falls under the umbrella of s4 pro branding so who knows about chip manufacturers right I mean Joe does but but so this is just a bundle of weird to me we know that Nokia is not afraid to make large screen windows devices we sell that and what was it 625 yeah which is a big what 5-inch on that one or is does that one have a 5.2 inch as well because life is something so they okay so this one is rumored to be 5.2 inch 720p on the 825 here and because of those specs that are being battered around it would have to be a windows phone handset running the gdr3 update right with it with quad core support that blessed hopefully support for larger resolutions and on such a huge canvas I'd like to see three rows of tiles if possible Oh 3 column wait yeah columns so but you can do that with the smaller ones do do you mean three rows of like do you want another tile size yes no not necessarily another that size I want to be able to have three rows of a simultaneously yes oh I want the entire canvas to be wider because the at five point two inches and at 720p or 1080p resolution it can be done I would agree it should be not even with the smaller tiles now I can't get everything I want in the glanceable zone I always have to scroll down for something because live tiles are very useful but I you know I hate having to scroll down the page to see more and even without you know you know what I tried doing recently was I tried running a windows phone with all small tiles and it looks ridiculous along with much yeah we're right but except it's all there all square and they're all the same size and they're all multicolored so it looks like you're carrying around like a car national invert well no no no because they have found it no it because it's so minimalistic with the metro thing it looks like you're carrying around this like cartoon idea from the 70s about what a futuristic device looks like it's very fun but also it's completely untenable and I don't recommend it anyway Tony I agree i think with a larger canvas if it was used intelligently that could be awesome i have no hope for that until when is Windows Phone due for its next refresh anyway ah good question sometimes it's full yeah yeah I'm looking forward to that because it's it's it's time I don't want the design language to change because I like it but it's time to get a little please fresh bring lends its board landscape support would be really nice yeah that yeah so let me go way out here and just be bizarre for a minute because I know you guys don't get enough of that for me no definitely not windows phone phablet that's halfway between a Windows Phone and Windows tablet right yeah there's really weird thing with the windows tablet space right now you've got windows RT which we know all how successful that is so and right and then we've got windows 8 tablets and yeah so this would have to be something similar to but not quite windows RT on a phablet I think they can keep it Phone Windows Phones same OS just pad on something in addition to take advantage of the huge canvas and leave it in the film Department right but that gets to my point we're adding one more version of Windows essentially I mean it's the same version of Windows but it's it's one more perceived version of Windows that's different from everything else and I don't want to have to use the f-word here but oh no that's that's fragmenting all over the plate right well it is true from a yeah from a user experience I'm gonna half the standpoint you know you've got if you're an app developer what are you going to write apps for you're gonna write it in traditional windows so it works on windows 7 windows 8 tablets and in below or are you going to use the new architecture so that you can run it on Windows RT and maybe on windows phone and then where is this windows phablet space in the middle what apps are going to run there they're going to have to be phone app with their phone apps but they're going to have to be written differently so they can take advantage of the screen real estate so I'm reminded of what Apple did where they took their phone OS and scaled it up for their tat yeah and well with Microsoft didn't that's true and we have some problems as a result lots of problems as a result that that sums up my concern right there lots of problems as a result it is this one problem it's a valid concern I I am put in mind of something a friend of mine said the other day and she was asking how I liked my lumia 1020 and I was like blah blah blah blah she's like what platforms I run I'm like out windows fun and she's like oh no no no it was that you know it went like this she was like oh wow you know that's good and I'm like yeah I'm like really and she's a guy I've heard good things about Windows Phone and then we went on to have a discussion about how she had heard nothing good about Windows but the salient point is that Windows Phones reputation you know as struggling as that platform is to gain market share like it has a good reputation for being reliable and you know smooth and and buttery and and fun and at least in my circles and I don't have the geekiest circles around so I think that's a good sign and I if this 8 25 carries a slightly tweaked version of Windows Phone I think it'll do as well as anything else the question that we want to use to close out that this category is will another manufacturer be making any more windows phones and that's HTC we've been I don't know if I buy this rumor guys I have they even addressed it this comes to us from digit times and you know everyone's kind of hit and miss with with with leeks and especially digit times yeah and like it wasn't I read the original source on I was like really this is just this is one of those sources familiar with the matter things but it's even it's it the story almost reads like someone familiar with the matter said that HTC might at some point decide that windows phone is not right for them it's like okay I am I decide to stop liking macaroni and cheese at some point of future but I'm not doing it now oh I can comment I can go either way I can I can agree with this and I can disagree with this I could I could agree with this because I recently seen I recently seen some numbers according to which of course nakia is is on top of the Windows Phone OEM list and Samsung is a solid number two and of course HTC and the others are following plus HTC is in a little bit of struggle right now financially and as a brand with brand recognition so I would understand if they wouldn't invest time and money in and working with Microsoft or been having windows phones out there for a while and now I can I can forget everything I just said and I can militate for the other idea that they will never ditch windows phone so it can go either way ooh I've got another one have the cash nice nicely done so there is a compelling argument to be made when your company is not doing terribly well that you should ditch extraneous stuff and focus on one thing that has certainly been my argument for nokia all this time when in the face of everyone calling for a nokia android phone like know why don't they just focus on the thing they know how to do and they know how to do well and you know it HTC is doing very well with the one it's not doing very well with anything else right so it makes sense that maybe they yeah Michael but can I be mean yeah please please if you're having phones like the 8xt out there how on earth are you expecting to be performing well on the market so that is exactly the point I was going to make and you thank you for for doing it for me because we the review I had to push back the written review it was for the a texty and we've been sitting on this thing for like two weeks and part of it is because we were overwhelmed with ECMO 2 x and g 2 news but also a part of it is that i was kind of holding out hope that i was wrong because the video review has been up for the same amount of time it's been up for a while and the 8xt performs rather horribly for a windows phone for a mid-range android phone this would not be unremarkable you get the occasional lag and stuttered and it's not terribly reliable and apps kind of crash for no reason a defective demo unit well no Android are you used to like a mid-ranger mid-ranger low end android foot come on you know is a phone that's that doesn't have the specs to back up the the platform but or for a defective review unit that would not be out of the question and even when HTC was first of all really awesome they were quick and they sent me a new 8xt in like a day when I told him I was having some serious problems and man this new one is just as bad and it's not because of Spotify as I initially thought because I completely did a factory wipe on it and did not install Spotify because I thought that was the trouble point this thing still I'll hit the button it takes sometimes it takes like a second two seconds to wake up out of out of standby it still got stutter so not only was this phone unceremoniously released with very little fanfare on America's third largest network this first windows phone with boom sound but it also it's not very well made I hesitate to say it because I don't want to say it but it's true you know the score reflects that the review which will be up very shortly you know is not a complimentary one and it's a shame because HTC can do a lot of stuff well but they really didn't do a good job on this phone so is that an indicator that may be there their focus has already shifted and we're just waiting for the official announcement I don't know well we'll have to see how it plays out I really hope they continue making windows phone because I have always found the 8x a rather compelling device okay so I've got a question to take us back to an earlier topic in the show ah yeah let's go backwards we talked about the LG g2 and then we talked about the possible Nexus 5 and how it's it's essentially a cheap and down version you know it's running less specs you know Tony said it it's not necessarily a flagship phone and it really doesn't have to be mm-hmm you can take out components and make something for the market that you're selling it to and HTC has been really good at doing that not just today's HTC but HTC all back through time even when they were way making a windows mobile devices you know that I pack and one not this might not be a bad HTC this might be an HTC that was built to spec and it was supposed to be a lower end of ice and it was built that way deliver yeah you want to say like here you go sprint have a windows phone and just leave me alone yeah I feel like if that's the case you know it's a crappy strategy and if it I don't yeah I don't agree with the strategy either but we have to remember that a lot of many are a lot of carriers out there will say we want this device and we want it to be this price point with these specs and in sure sure sure sure but you know this is also oh I agree Joe but this is the first time in Windows Phone well in my experience with Windows Phone that I've seen a device performed poorly to be maybe because of its low respects like Windows Phone is famous for performing really well on almost any hardware there is I think Tony the only other time I've heard about it being bad as Tony you reviewed that Lumia I have something yeah it was like before the 520 it was the 510 yeah I don't know what it was yeah yeah and it didn't really perform very well right mmhmm yeah so you know that that happens I we and bless when when your HTC and you are let's face it struggling a bit this is hurting you exactly yeah you don't want any bad press out there for you know and I I think we're dwelling on the negative here and if you buy in a text here if you already own one you probably like whatever its utter sometimes but you know it does its job it's fine it's because Windows Phone has established a precedent for being smooth in almost all conditions and EXT doesn't live up to that yeah that's the problem and that's why we're a worse than it sometime of this so we'll see Tony's got a jet we've got a let's just power through this iOS news I'm sorry we're gonna have to skip listener mail today the iphone 5s components keep hinting at a fingerprint scanner hi guys i thought this the fingerprint scanner went the way of like the QR code even though the QR codes are still around like i thought these things were not cool anymore deal they're all good way to do it better uh i was about to say unless they revolutionized i don't know how aside from unlocking your phone and really making it secure yeah oh hey wouldn't it be cool if they were able to do something with biometrically encrypting your phone and all of your emails and you could send secure communications to not only your email contacts but secure FaceTime and secure all that stuff is very possible Joe because laptops are already using fingerprint scanners to unlock their the the computer itself and once you have that scanner which recognizes your own fingerprints then is just one one step away to have an encryption key and only you to be able to use it well and some phones of a door to write the first day tricks had a fingerprint scanner and some toshiba once and stuff so I guess we'll see i think i'm excited for this just because if another company we're doing it I wouldn't be as excited but Apple for all the bunk they get really does know how to make existing stuff work better sometimes so it would be really cool to see the fingerprint scanner actually done right for once I know you know maybe I'm being too hard on the old atrix but I heard seem to recall it because it wasn't terribly popular but and to be to be my own devil's advocate I don't think anyone will do that whole whole communication encryption and security through whether that's through traditional technologies you know x.509 certificates or whatever or through biometric and don't think that will happen cuz you know hi NSA how are you doing just want to see what's up but if if they were to do it or if anyone were to do it now would be the time because of all of them the distrust that we have with all of our governments around the world well that's true yeah right people in other countries who are monitoring and watching everything we're doing wouldn't it be great if someone whether that's Apple or somebody else would come out with and all encrypted if they if they do it they could beat a blackbery of the 2014's haha yeah well and they would immediately be able to sell that device to every single government agency and employee in the world and they might even be mandated to do so that's a solid point I mean that would be a hell of a play and it would be in direct opposition to what appears to be happening on the flip side with the 5c which will close out the show with the iphone 5c has been leaked apparently leaked in not only a fun yellow shade that looks almost exactly like a lot of Nokia's but also in a very strange-looking green which looks like it glows in the dark human though probably doesn't and I am excited for that you have you've this fingerprint scanner idea which may be plays to the enterprise the high-end segment then you have this iphone 5c which i think a lot of people think Apple needs to do this lower end device to you know shore up their their their low end offering and it comes in a lot of colors I think that's my biggest excitement ever I wouldn't want a 5c but I would want the extra colors oh no no no no if you want to be able to come on customize your phone you get an android if you want to be able to customize your iphone you get a case and your case can be a laser shot cases are worse things that was a low blow jo yeah so you know it's a check out the links we've got it's just it's wonderful eye candy if nothing else I think we're going through we've set it on the podcast many times Apple's iPhones should come in more colors than black and white particularly with the Moto X on the horizon which lets you pretty much do any color combination you can think of and we will have a lot more to say on that tomorrow by the way folks you should tune in if you want some Moto X news tomorrow and some of that and but for now I think we do have to wrap it up and Joe I I would like it if you if you made your internet connection as smart as you are is it it just it has been treating you poorly today I'm a shy I'm mortified to say i am a backer of the almond new router so as soon as it gets here yeah all right Tony I'm gonna do the outro but you have a nice day sir thank you very much guys take care we'll see you later excellent yeah Tony Tony had to had to run and an answer his door bell so we and also I have to I have to run an answer answer a call of nature after after an entire podcast drinking coffee and I'm gonna be politically active and call my city councilperson right now so very exciting on my android phone lovely all good i'm gonna make a video with my windows phone so i think we've got a lot to do Joe thank you for joining us for this one it's been a little while and it's good to have you back in the air all was good to be here and that is going to do it for this episode of the weekly find us on Twitter Anton who just left is at a nton dnag why that's aunt on 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