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I'm a takes out his technological frustrations on me by threatening by threatening to buy something inexpensive it's like a weekly think now oh my god but have it but have you seen the prices of those new MacBook Pros Apple is insane oh yeah they are absolute $6,000 I was like what off hello everybody and welcome to the weekly brought to you by Pocky now next day developers recorded on this day May 23rd that is a Thursday we're trying to get it so that we record a little bit early that way I can actually do the YouTube premiere on Friday so you get that old-school feel of the weekly every single Friday I thank you so much for joining us we are back in our studios and honestly I feel like I brought the bad London weather back with me because it is raining in LA and it is the most depressing thing anybody out there who knows Angelenos Los Angelenos we hate it when it rains but let's check in with our crew today we are back with our original crew we were going to have an arrive Gandia on but he has a few family things going on so shuts out to an Arab hopefully we'll have you on two casts soon so what was going to be a four-person podcast is now three as usual we have of course hi made a vet I hear oh you're back in your New York studio not pretty much if you could call this you and I just saw each other in London it was a good time but of course we're gonna talk about all the stuff that went down while we were there it was crazy that it was happening during the Honor Lodge but anyways quick quick check-in with you hi Mei how are things I was a travel back home travel was bad I was not supposed to sleep on the flight but the seat was so good I I couldn't I couldn't avoid I'm gonna on this thought I start turning down upgrades next time oh nice so it's gonna be a little bit of jet lag on your end then huh I'm good I'm good I was able to sleep a good five hours last and that helps also okay I feel like especially on the podcast associate when we have I'm gonna I'm gonna turn the camera over the high me real quick take a look at this shirt he's wearing I feel like you need to start putting links in descriptions of shirts that you are cuz that's so cool I know I know the Red Ranger the Red Ranger in the next wing well practically in an exercise that's so cold the thing is I can't there are certain shirts that I can use for the daily because of the green screen so these are the shirts that I use on the podcast hilarious not like elements popping on your shirt so it's hilarious cuz one of my favorite YouTube channels is WatchMojo and the day that they select to to select us is one of the best tech channels and Thank You WatchMojo for that they you of file where I am having I'm using this shirt that had green and you could see everything transparent behind me it was hilarious that's awesome all right let's pop it over to Brendan minimun who is back once again so how are you have been witnessed to a couple of things going on over the last couple of weeks so your perspective is gonna be really fun to get but I just want to check in with you first before we get started yeah it's been a while and I'm in one of these offices it's super green and so the all the light switches are on like a timer that shut off every like interval and if it has a motion sensor built up to the light switch so I can like wave my hands at it but I'm slightly out of like its line of sight so at some point the lights gonna turn off and I'm gonna have to get up and turn it back on get rid of get rid of that light when I'm there if that's gonna be the studio get rid of that light alright so our money daily yeah exactly okay so Brandon let's go ahead and start off with you for this week's show because since the two of you were not on last week which was basically our big 1 plus 7 pro extravaganza we had a TK Bay and David Amell on last week and we had a lot of differing opinions about just sort of opinions over the phone itself I came in with a hot take that the phone is too big it's I just think it's too big and I want to start off with that Brandon some thoughts from you starting about design you can talk about whatever you'd like Jaime's already got his oh you got the t-mobile one I forgot about that yes and I wanted this color so badly and yeah so let's start off with you Brandon because we haven't heard from you in a bit and I know you were really excited to talk about the phone when we were not allowed to talk about the phone which is why I want to start with you yeah I've got the the the blue and like can we just admire how this blue is actually a matte blue like like they don't even you know more of those doesn't even talk about how it's a matte blue but it is and that's just a it's a gangster color but but I will agree with you Josh that it's too big and I think something that nobody is really talking about is that the 1 + 7 is a heck of a sleeper phone that has more upgrades than most people realize it's got yeah dual stereo speakers which we've been asking on asking for for a very long time for one postpones of course the 7 pro has it but now the 7 has it it's got the upgraded sony 48 megapixel camera plus some other improved optics and it's got UF s3 storage and snapdragon 855 so for the 1 plus 60 fans the people that like you know that one plus experience at a slightly smaller form factor the 1 plus 7 is where it's at the 7 pro is amazing it's it's like it's like a Bentley you know it's got everything it's just so beautiful it's so fast it's so sexy but like from a practical standpoint from a from a utilitarian standpoint in my opinion it's a little too much it's a little too fragile it's a little too big and I can't wait for the 1 plus 7 regularly ma am I the only person that didn't like the 1 plus 60 yes I did not like the 60 I was I was so disappointed when it launched even though I love the woman because I love the 1 plus 6 that was my power ok but what about my car division that's the one that I adored so so here's the thing the 60 is thinner significantly thinner than the 6 re the 6 is significantly thinner than the 60 and so if they brought the display of the 60 on the 6 gave me that fingerprint scanner at the back of the front I don't care I just I would be even willing to put up with a smaller battery if they gave me that phone because I felt that that was the easier phone to handle yeah that's true that was the easier photo handle like right now for example I'm working on a comparison with the best n+ dude you like you'll be shocked at how much larger the 60 is compared to even the s10 plus which is already the size of an iPhone Tenace max hmm think about it the s10 plus is the exact same sizes of tennis max so imagine the 6 the 7 pro is larger than both of these phones yes after I do agree with you it's a curved phone that's large it's a little bit difficult to handle I wish that the gestures were a bit different oh the gesture so you're talking about the how you can go back on so yeah so you can go backwards from the bf to reach all the way yeah we have to reach all the way to that it can get pretty bad the the thing that gets me is okay so obviously have my 1 plus 7 Pro gear I've been using this in conjunction with the pixel 3a those have been my two daily drivers and my final reviews on them are going to be coming out fairly soon but the thing that strikes me this is this is the number one example of why usability is underrated in flagship phones to be able to wake up in the morning and comfortably I want to be use the word comfortably swipe type to you to to anybody on whatsapp or any of those other messaging applications without fear of dropping the phone while brushing my teeth like that just doesn't happen on the 1 plus 7 Pro I could drink tea in one hand and then swipe type easy right here smaller phones are incredibly underrated and I'm so glad we finally have one that's actually like showing us that it um I have the pixel 3 out here - oh I want that case that case looks really good the that's the felt one on the back right yeah but I this color in particulars really yeah ok so speaking of speaking of device like other devices that we have I do have one thing I want to say I'm not gonna talk about it at length I'm just gonna let everybody know that right now I'm gonna go ahead and unbox this is the Opel Reno this is the - it this is the 10x zoom version by the way this is the one everyone's clamoring for so I'm gonna go ahead and unbox this while I asked our two other hosts today so other hot takes on the oneplus 7 pro screen is great 1990 Hertz refresh rate games may not be supporting 90 hurts a whole lot yet so there's some that do some that don't but the high tech that I want to put out there is I want to hear what you guys actually thought about the camera because it is the most conflicting part of this phone for me I actually personally would not use this phone as a daily vlogging slash photography fun if I do I'm keeping that phone at 1x that's what I was gonna say so some thoughts from you guys about the cameras on the oneplus ever Pro I was gonna say Josh one I am a heavy swipe user like you and something that has made a huge difference for me and I noticed you're using your phone naked but if you use a case it just helps tremendously with the grip and I know you're probably muted right now as you unbox with the oh no I'm sorry like I'm okay I'm okay I'm okay what case is on the phone and it kind of helps but it's not necessarily the grip of the phone it's the fact that I'm reaching all the way over if I'm starting a word if I have a word starting with the letter A I'm screwed all the way over there that's just well and you know what we've already created the joke two weeks ago that okay maybe Josh have small hands you know what fine I probably do but whatever it's still it still changes usability no dude I have large hands and I have a problem reaching reaching the fence don't get me wrong it's it's not a bad thing it's just um there's a reason why one of my favorite phones as a foreign factor not functionality is the iPhone 10s not the tennis oh I'm sorry grateful that I've had two 10s I've been saying that a lot lately Brandon you got the 10s max and you didn't like it you sent it back and you ended up getting the 10s because you know it's literally the same phone only that's it's easy to handle yeah the tennis is where it's at I mean it's just like it's a great one-handed phone which is crazy to say for a phone that has such a large screen like if you go back a few years what is it like six six point is it five point eight six point five point eight which is which is actually relatively large still and yet the proportions just make it like it's a really good one-handed phone it really is yeah it is a really good one-handed phone the same thing I feel about the pixel 3a I am this close to reaching out to Google and asking them to send me the pixel three and I can send Mac and send back my three excel hmm I don't mind I think that the pixel three is where it's at you have the pixel three Brandon and you do the same thing you got the three excel and then you sent it back as well I still have both but the pixel three is amazing for one-handed you can maybe borrow it when you come next week all right let's do that let's do that right now what do you mean maybe you're gonna do that no I I really really like it's not that I like small phones like there are benefits to large phones don't get me wrong but when companies are as a pair efficient as one plus because that's just the way it is their phones are really really good when it comes to power efficiency I wonder why this phone is so large is there a purpose for it being this largest there's that one pleasant slowly waiting into tablet territory that's that's really what it honestly if the if the screen oh I almost picked up the Reno if the screen wasn't curved here on the sides it would basically be a 6.5 internet with yeah that's the thing Oh coming back to the by the way real quick just open Reno look at this like sort of backless dress type case that that they give with the Opel Reno whoa that's awesome weird I like that okay so any thoughts on cameras because I would that was what I already heard had originally asked wide-angle zoom that Sony IMX 48 megapixel sensor which obviously is a great performer I think it's a good sensor I think the rest of the camera is not as good as it should be personally but thoughts from you you you're asking who particularly because I lost you uh let's start with Brandon that yeah let's let's see what Rendon says about you were so excited about the one plus seven Perot did the cameras live up to that hype of yours yeah you know I'm gonna say something that you guys are gonna disagree with um I I really like the cameras on the seven Pro a lot of the time you know I've spent so much time taking pictures and a lot of the time when you really get into like a hundred percent crop there's they're soft but like if I take the same shots with like an s10 plus in my opinion they're even softer I think that the camera on the seven pro and the sixty cuz there are similarities is better I think the seven Pro is a fantastic camera it's obviously not good as a pixel but I I think that they're fantastic if I think go ahead sorry yeah just can see they're they're a little soft at times and the video focus isn't that great but Jaime you know more about cameras what do you think okay so I like the wide angle on the seven Pro more than I do on the galaxy again I'm working on a video why there is less Barry there is significantly less barrel distortion significantly yeah but the but the edges are so soft and like the photos are so soft there's no detail in this wide angle okay no I'm not saying you so okay so here's the thing again we're talking about photos right now I it's just wow it's we're gonna move into wall way territory very soon the problem is once you use something like the p30 pro or the made 20 pro it's really hard to grab any other phone and be like yeah this cameras good it's very hard I have to agree with you Brandon I mean the photos on the s10 plus are good I like the dynamic range I find that like I don't really find much of a difference with the 1 + 7 Pro I just find less barrel distortion on the 7 Pro I don't know if it's the thing about your unit because I don't notice much darkness it's just lets we're gonna move into Iowa territory soon in and that's where everything gets spoiled it like if you've never tried a p30 pro or a made 20 pro you guys are fine you guys don't know any better but once you do it's like oh god it's like alright fine let's move on oh my god I don't know I just I just personally was really disappointed by it because I oh you know me I always look for white angles on my phones I love white angle lenses I think that they associate when it comes a video they're really awesome for just getting as much in the frame as possible because a lot of the times the focal lengths for lenses on smartphones tend to be just a little bit too narrow especially on the front-facing camera which is another disappointment of mine because it is a very tight frame and there's nothing that I can do to fix that because it's a pop-up camera so I can't clip my moment lenses on there or my serially lenses on so it's it's doubly a problem and I get it the the pop-up camera and the same thing will go for this by the way I just took the plastic off of it so the same goes for this that shark-fin or whatever they want to call it pop-up I can't put a clip-on lens on that either so like that's it's kind of a pitfall when it comes to these so I would say companies if you're going to go to hiding your front-facing cameras please make them a little bit wider please that's all I ask as far as the wide angle is concerned on the main camera of the oneplus 7 pro I just think it's a soft camera there is I still think there's enough to sort on the sides to bother me but that wouldn't bother me so much if the picture was sharp and it is just not so that's my main issue along with the fact that you can't use it on in the video mode the zoom is fine I kind of get it I get it that zoom lenses on all of these phones are usually there for portrait mode so I can give that a pass usually and the 3x I actually think 3x is a perfect focal length I think that 2x is mostly useless 5 to 10 X zoom for something like this that has applications but it's not the most practical thing to use 3 not bad I actually think 3x is not bad from a practical standpoint ok so let you see here what else can we oh yeah just some thoughts real quick on the 1 + 7 Pro the price that's the thing because we had very spirited conversations back in New York about whether or not the price actually actually adhered to not only the whole well I mean 1 + doesn't really use the flagship killer motto anymore it's always never settled but $669 699 up to $7.99 for the most effective version x' any thoughts from you about if the price actually meets what this phone provides i feel it does i there's nothing to complain about when it comes to the price tag it is still an entry-level 1 + 7 pro is still at the price tag of an iphone 5 years ago mmm five years ago and it wasn't like that iphone back then was what 32 gigs of storage not expandable I mean there's simply no room for comparison it's very difficult I just the problem of the price tag is the timing the timing of the launch is at the time when you can get a Galaxy S 10 plus for like very little money as employee s 10s 10 plus I mean you like right now you could get a dual-sim S 10 plus for $700 on eBay oh I don't know that right now yeah and so but here's the thing if you wanted to get a 12 gigabytes of RAM 256 gigs of storage galaxy s 10 you're looking at the ceramic variant which is 1400 bucks so I don't I don't think that the price tag is bag.i I feel that you're getting a ton of value for that amount of money okay Brendon I think it's incredibly obvious I do think that the closest competitor to this phone is the S 10 plus and even even though they've come down in price even if they're like in the mid 7os you know the 8gig of ram version which is what i would probably get I think twelve I don't think we really see a performance difference is $6.99 it's less expensive and in my opinion it's superior in every way I much rather live with this phone than an s10 plus so I think the price is fantastic and to be able to get into this phone at 669 that's great I mean it's just I think it's really great pricing it's not like old one plus pricing that was like I can't believe they did that but it's like the value prop is just like I think very obvious and very good yeah I'm I have to say I think I'm somewhere in the middle because again it's just it's just the cameras didn't it really do it for me like I still think that the Sony IMX 40 a megapixel sensor is amazing so if you stick with that one you're gonna have an amazing time even with video it's very sharp video it's very it's very beautiful looking video had plenty of some of the fellas had plenty of examples of good looking video from Google i/o and yeah using just the 1x if you keep it on 1x you're gonna have a great great time as far as everything else is concerned about 656 69 for performance a great gaming mode a great display good audio I'm not gonna say it's amazing audio but well this is the other thing the box did not come with a headphone adapter right no it doesn't come with it that's weird I don't know why that's the case unless they're looking to bundle the bullet's Wireless which I'm using and I adore which but but if you think about it I mean I did I did that you know declaration in my hands on video I mean if you're getting a 6 69 1 + 7 Pro with $100 on the bullets Wireless - you're still paying less money than a lot of phones out there mmm yeah that don't even come with headphones in the box yeah you know speaking of headphones there is actually a kind of cool looking hair in this ocarina box these look like bullets but they're green because oh no nevermind they don't look like bullets they have different they have a different redact redact not bullets alright so moving from the 1 + 7 Pro we do have another phone that we can talk about actually only really Jaime can talk about because he's the only one who's actually holding one unfortunately because which I which have to send it back oh that's true yeah so we were I was actually quite excited for this because I have always been a fan of what honor does they put out good price points for phones that have really good specifications generally back in the day honor used to like dominate Amazon with like the 7x and that did they have a tech song I know the 7x was on Amazon for sure and I know people actually bought it there because it was at the top of the list of like smart phone lists on Amazon because it was like $400 for some pretty good specifications and like dual cameras on the back back when dual cameras were starting to become a thing in any case what we have now is the honor 20 and the honor 20 Pro the honor 20 series if you're looking for the hashtag that is what Jaime and I were in London for and we were only there for a few days unfortunately because of news we'll talk about later we were unable to walk away with final retail review units technically because and again I'm alluding to all we're gonna talk about later they are actually not fully final in any case as far as the phone is concerned another phone with the Sony 48 megapixel IO makes sense where we have a six point two six inch tall view display the yeah six point two yeah six point two Kirin 980 good performance and their GPU turbo 3.0 so if you're a gamer this phone will will support you in a number of different games I think it's up to like 40 different games that it supports right now to actually boost everything but yeah the the phone itself kind of an exciting device Jaime has had the most time with it so I was I know I may you might be having some spotty connection connection right now but how how has the honor 20 been treating you over the last couple of weeks I can't say man I I wish I could say that I've tried it enough it's just we were all supposed to return it they were gonna provide review units right at the show they did not up I don't think I think we should actually start with the huawei topic before this topic because obviously honor is being affected honor is part of the I think it's one of 68 companies in the Huawei group and it's the whole Huawei group that's getting banned okay and so I feel bad because you know honor is trying to get give us a good one-handed phone a good alternative and camera and I don't know man I don't know what to tell you I feel that I haven't been able to use it much because again I mean what is gonna be the future of this field there's so much uncertainty yeah that's true and you know what I think I think we can go ahead and do that then I we can definitely start with the the hallway stuff because I wanted to keep it on device talk and then I figure we would have a lot to say about like the the different aspects to this band that is happening right now but I also do realize that Brandon you're gonna have to duck out in about 15 minutes but yeah we can definitely talk about that Brandon since you do have to duck out in a little bit I actually want to let's go and ask you about this whole hallway ban and all of that stuff so obviously last week we don't have to recount too much of the details but basically the u.s. just basically put wahwee on the list of companies that US companies should not be working with and subsequently what happened is that Google in compliance with this executive order had to pull the licenses for Huawei devices and Huawei group is the is the company that they put on the list which includes people like honor so right now there's a lot of uncertainty over whether or not these phones especially moving forward or even current phones are going to remain with Google Play services coming from I mean we were in London Jaime and I were while this whole band was happening we all had our reactions to a Brandon I want to hear what you think yeah before I talk about Huawei I just want to mention something I had an honor 20 Pro passed through this office this morning for a very brief period of time and I took it out of the box of course to play with it a bit it was the it was the black version which of course is like this beautiful stunning dark purple with a black black gradient it's amazing and I was playing with this phone and I'm like damn this feels like this reminds me so much of a p30 Pro but it's significantly less expensive and it's just it's sad that I I don't I don't know it I don't know this for certain but I just get the feeling that because of the political situation it's possible that the that the honor 20 and honor 20 pronoun or 20 light will be either at worst discontinued or not at worst be put off indefinitely that's just a feeling I get I haven't heard anything but that's just a feeling I get and it's sad because it's such a good phone for what I've seen the Holly situation really bums me out because one of the reasons 2019 is shaping up to be such a cool phone year is because you have a strong Samsung a strong apple a strong huawei strong Oppo Xiaomi is doing big things there's so much competition you know Samsung comes out with a folding phone so what is why we do they spend a lot of R&D dollars and time making a similar device that does it in a different way and competitions amazing so if if Huawei can't be Huawei because they have their licenses pulled from Google for the Android operating system and if United States companies are not allowed to do business with Huawei and we can't sell Huawei devices here it's just really unfortunate for the consumer and I'm really bummed because it was gonna be a good year in phones and I think now there's a slightly less chance that that's going to be now I'm gonna add I'm gonna add another layer to all of this but Jaime you can respond to what Brendan just said mostly about because I what I notice about a lot of our tech friends is that we focus on the devices we focus on device news we focus on the releases that are happening this year but there's obviously a lot more to this whole thing right I'm gonna put in the whole layer of 5g like all of the main news outlets are talking about 5g as the reason why all of these bands are happening because Huawei actually creates a lot of infrastructure that will lead to 5g becoming a realization obviously we know people from Qualcomm who and Qualcomm are always working on 5g they are all about that 5g right now but basically it's like I was watching Trevor Noah the other day and he basically said that it's this is the new arms race not arms race space race is 5g I also noticed that Jaime's hi Mary there yeah he's frozen okay well Brendan I wanted to go ahead and keep you on the keep you on here then 5g adding in the layer of 5g you're talking about devices and I think we all agree that it's not it's not an ideal situation that Huawei who make really great devices don't don't get to have those devices with Android anymore like this whole war between the US and China is affecting millions of people who don't even live in these two countries which is the biggest bummer but adding in the whole 5g discussion how does that change the whole perspective for you if at all you know I I hear some headlines and I read some news that relate to national security and and wireless infrastructure and competitiveness with other countries and as a consumer I kind of don't want to care about that I want to just like take out my 5g phone and be like wow this is fast but I realized there are some sensitivities relating to national security I don't think I'm enough on the topic to to really speak on it well coming for coming coming from the just sort of the headline by the way I have one thing that I need a rant on that I think I'll do and after the after the mid break but basically a lot of headlines are coming out basically saying that don't have me still frozen basically they're saying that because Huawei has become so good at creating the infrastructure for mobile networks that there 5g is actually closer to being realized than any of the 5g in the u.s. whether or not that is the case you know coming from people like us that's that's kind of that's not yet to be seen I actually personally think that Qualcomm has been making huge strides we just saw some of that in Chicago with like people bringing out their Samsung devices and why not to check out 5g in Chicago and they're able to like download down an entire season of shows in like a few seconds it's nuts so it's not to say that 5g in the u.s. is like behind or anything like that but of course Huawei I mean they're able to focus their R&D and all of their resources on something a little bit easier and they're also the company that's so easy to vilify which I think it's the part that's so unfair here is that like if you want to talk about the the overarching issues of let's say China and some of the stuff that they do as a government as a country and whatnot I mean sure I mean that anyone could probably say a number of things about China has a but to vilify a company that has done nothing but just create really good products that have helped consumers that have allowed consumers to have connectivity and to have a good time on Android or anything like that and basically cripple them when there's been no no evidence of actual spying via the devices now via the infrastructure IQ I get that people are skittish about that but via the devices there really hasn't been any substantiative proof staying that the devices are actually spying on consumers and there are millions of people who are enjoying those those devices right now who might get affected by all of this even in London Brendan we had a bunch of people we saw a bunch of people running around with huawei phones of all different types of price points it wasn't even just flagships people were still using like them a10 and they were really they were really happy with them it seems and and no one really had any answers to to what's going on I'm Brendan did the lights go out and you're in your office you got a little bit it it might not work yeah I'll just die it's fine I'll save the electricity I'm doing it for the what is it the generation Generation Z yeah I'm doing it for you guys I'm safe I'm saving the planet here on this podcast by not turning the way exactly I have figured out why people use an iPad or other tablet as a photo-taking device I think I figured it out and and I figured it out at the 1 plus 7 Pro launch jaime and i were sitting in are you gonna make fun of dan Seifert yes i yeah that's going to make I listen listen listen so Dan Seifert you know fantastic tech writer I respect him tremendously the sitting two rows in front of us and at first I see a beardy a beardy guy handsome beardy guy looks very smart taking pictures or video with his iPad pro and I'm like no not here not here I mean I mean the week the weekend before I had seen someone at the zoo I saw grandma at the zoo and I'm like okay that makes sense she she wants a big viewfinder or something but I'm like this guy at the wolf 11 Pro Lodge obviously has a better capturing device on him whether a DSLR or a a new iPhone or a pixel or something why the bleep is this guy oh it's dan Seifert why is Dan using an iPad to take pictures and I just you know I've been thinking about it I think I know why why because the camera on the iPad pro is fantastic and it's possible that you know I'm sure Dan has access to every phone that he could ever possibly want but it's possible that just on that day he didn't have his pixel three on him or his iPhone 10s and thus the device on him that could take the best possible picture in video was the iPad pro I know that might seem very basic but it made me feel a little bit better do you guys have any idea why he was he was doing news coverage on Twitter and so the iPad camera is good enough I mean that's the thing I can't say the same thing about every other iPad camera but the iPad pro the current model that camera is good enough I think that's the reason why I like I find myself like if I go to events I end up using an iPhone for absolutely all our pictures right um and it's because the 2x is close enough it's a 3 X is too much and then when you go to low-light for some reason I noticed that the iPhone defaults optically more often than every other Android phone that I've used and then because I'm using a Mac to do the coverage it's easier for me to just airdrop everything to the Mac whereas if he's using an iPad and the iPad is the only device is using he doesn't really need to airdrop anything it's just there it's right there so you're saying it like it's the ultimate connected camera like it's got you know it's it's a big canvas it's fast and it's connected to all of your social media whereas to take out his DSLR really would have to transfer it process it post it you know upload it things like that I was gonna say he's a right exactly I was wondering why it wasn't using his Fuji well but that's the thing it's a do to have you notice like there are a lot of great things about Fuji from a cinematography standpoint not a lot of great things about it from an auto perspective like if you want to transfer files from the camera to your computer it's kind of a night yeah it's like Panasonic is well Panasonic is not bad but it's not good Sony's actually a little better at it and so I'm dude iPhones are good enough lately a lot of our event coverage are simply iPhone photos mmm yeah for sure okay so Brandon you are alright so you are on your way out I do want to make sure that we get this question out to you and our recurring segment from every show before you get out of here Brandon I want to know what is in your pocket now I'm still on the 1 + 7 Pro I'm still not tired of it I still really like it and gosh every time I use a different phone I I know what phone is on deck what I'm gonna use next and you know I don't I think I'm gonna stick with the 1 + 7 Pro until I can get my hands on the 1 + 7 ok fair enough and then it and then who knows after that well here's to hoping that 1 + actually sells the 7 because isn't that supposed to be like for the other markets like it their launch was in India yeah it's not gonna launch here yeah it's not a launcher it's on the other markets it's coming in June you can import it thanks to the power of the internet from anywhere which I which I will do as soon as you can buy it from one of many places online and I can't wait but it's not June yet so I gotta keep wait all right cool well a quick farewell to Brandon thank you so much for being on this week and we will continue on after Brandon makes his exit see you guys thanks quick shout out to the sponsor of this episode Netgear to get the kind of blinding speed you know you want in your home Netgear now has the nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 router it is capable of four times the capacity compared to today's current Wi-Fi standards which means more devices working simultaneously without impacts to speed and reliability and smartphones and laptops and TVs are getting more and more advanced the data that powers them will need to be as high performance as possible make sure your internet is future-proof for services like Netflix Hulu and even gaming you can turn your Wi-Fi up to 6 with a nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 router add Netgear comm / Wi-Fi 6 that's net gear.com / Wi-Fi and the number 6 it's the biggest revolution of Wi-Fi ever after that tiny little rant from Jaime about a Wi-Fi router also don't forget our mid-roll today we actually had a bit of a router thing so maybe we're gonna send that over because Brandon's been using it so we're gonna send it over to Jaime because it hopefully it'll help the podcast alright are you kidding send me that router now I would I made it we will definitely tell Brandon about that for sure but Jaime is back it seems the connection is a bit more stable so let's go ahead and ask you Brendan gave a few of his thoughts I did talk a little bit about the 5g layer of the Huawei and the us-china problems right now I do want to add that in a little bit cuz I feel like a lot of people are focusing on the device angle and that's totally fine I get it devices are very important to all of the consumers and if Huawei can't put Android on them things are going to change but 5g seems to be also the other crux of this argument so I don't know where you kind of land on that whole thing oh man I actually have more of an opinion on I have more of an opinion on the topic of devices but sure in the case of 5g here's the thing the problem is what happens when you have a company that owns most well not most but a lot of not a good half of the 5g patents that are currently needed for the system to work and so this is not me being pro Huawei or anything this is me being pro commerce this is a very difficult situation where we have a country like the United States that comes up with the whole idea of free Commerce and any company could come to make money here and now out of the blue they come up with these rules where they've been enabling the Chinese market since the 1980s and now they've realized that the China that there is a certain Chinese company that has superior technology in certain cases so and here's the thing and I again this is not me trying to defend because I don't have the technical expertise the right judge for it all I know is that right now certain Huawei motives for 5g are faster than competitors we have cases where you know a lot of their technology is significantly less expensive and so I do understand the concern as to why but if the if the argument is that this company copied other companies in order to be able to get where they are then why are they superior hmm okay that's the question that's the question I you know how is it that they have so many patents how is it they own the patents for so many things if they copied other companies in order to be able to ever and I'm again I can't defend them I'm not an expert in this I'm just trying to understand all the information that's being thrown and most of the information is Huawei copied okay cool then why is it that their modem is twice as fast why is it that they own all these patents that's the part that nobody's been able to explain and so again this is not a defense standpoint it's just what we're hindering right now is progress why yeah why is it that US companies can't why is it that US companies can't come up with something better if if you know the whole concern is espionage fine I totally understand that why don't we start blocking Amazon and Google and all these other companies from being able to use the things that I say with this a speaker that I have in front of me that well you know I've been beat I've been being served ads for everything like just travel pants the other day I said that I wanted travel pants I I get off the I get off the plane and Kogan's with me and I'm like look at this this pisses me off the fact that I I'm being targeted for ads of over the things that I say so you're telling me that that's okay and that other things are not why do we allow this - yeah well because it's a US company doing it to our own citizens that was it's a joke in a way but it's also true because I do think that there's just so little little to no evidence that hallway as a company on the consumer level has actually been spying on its on its consumers no matter where they are in the world including our lives are they but are they potential to it yes that is one thing where the United States is right the fact that there is a law in China that obligates these companies to provide information to the government that is true that is totally true and I do its again I'm not trying to side in favor of anyone I'm gonna play both ends the United States is right and being concerned about that by just you know wow we put a company in the blacklist here's the question have you thought about the repercussions over yes Huawei is going to lose a lot right now true fine that's that's cool how much is Google gonna lose right now is the question think about it yeah they have been in partnership with Huawei in the past even got hardware level yeah and think about it how much is Google going tools we're talking about the second largest smartphone maker in the world where all they make is Android phones so what happens with when a company like Huawei decides to stop using Android and what happens when a company like Huawei if a company like Huawei has decided to come up with 5g technology and they came up with superior technology in certain cases and they own so many pens what limits them to make a better operating system that's true yeah isn't that isn't that the recent piece of news that Huawei is actually saying we will have an OS not only will it not not only will it support Android apps but you know we're gonna have our own operating system that could come out as early as the end at the end of this year or early 2020 okay so yeah that's I don't know that kind of but the thing is even if while we make their own OS just to to replace quote-unquote Android but still support Android apps doesn't learn a lot of the core functions still going to be crippled by the lack of a license like Google Play games Google Gmail yes that's that that's one thing that's one thing but then 50% of their market is in China where none of that is even relevant yeah that's that's true but that's but that's 50% they're still 50/50 percent of the rest of the world is still a huge amount of people though yeah well but here's the thing the thing does get complicated as to what happened yesterday which will be the day after yesterday whenever people listen to this and it would be arm the problem is once you involve arm so my argument over the last couple of days has been what limits huawei to be able to come up with something superior that's all you know it's a possibility without arm they cannot they can't arm is the creator of the architecture and even though arm is a UK company their technology is us patented and based and so arm now has declare that they're not going to be working with Huawei anymore so this doesn't just mean that the this pretty much dooms the Kiran 980 and so without the without the the the instruction set for the chips they can't make phones period like period this like this totally flips everything on wall way wow I didn't catch that yeah yeah this totally flips everything on Huawei if they can't make ARM chips and they can't work with Qualcomm they can't use Qualcomm chips they can't use so what what's next the arm dubs so the arm code is also being used for Exynos processors every single mobile chip runs on arm and so what are they gonna do they're gonna move to six processors which is until know because intel is a US company and they are they are also forced to put them in the blacklist and so now this is a problem what happens when you can no longer create chips or buy them what happens now that is the things like as of yesterday things have done like really weird very difficult for Huawei now yeah because now it's on the hardware side that things are being yeah well if they can't buy the hardware and they can't create it then they're then they are I don't even know if I can say the word I'm not a boner podcast yeah now now things get difficult now things get really difficult because they're gonna have to pretty much create their own chip architecture yeah I'm not I'm not saying they can't mmm the question is how Android will not be able to run on this there is another chip architecture which Android runs on I think it's MIPS but it's nowhere even close to the current status of arm yeah so it would be like taking so many steps back and so Wow like this is I had no idea like falling in the blacklist really really like really destroys companies I I hope that that's not the case because Huawei is probably the company that invests the most amount of our money on R&D that I've ever heard of I think it was like 17 billion last year Wow where your average company is spending 3 to 4 billion in Rd 17 billion that's an insane amount of money but because they're a private company they could do whatever they want with their money while we were at the Honor thing did did you get approached by any traditional media to comment on all of this no but I know you were how did that go okay I just want to call out like you know we are obviously quote-unquote the new media we are the quote-unquote YouTube / tech blogging press and whatnot so I can't believe that I have to say this right now I need to fact-check the people who actually interviewed me because I said that I love how honor always tries to put like high-end specifications for affordable price points but because these guys are actually I'm not gonna say who it's not hard to find though the but because these guys are obviously trying to focus on the whole Huawei political angle bla bla bla they changed that quote in writing to honor makes affordable handsets with high-end specifications I said honor not Huawei I said honor and on top of that as far as fact-checking is concerned I am NOT a UK blogger they called me a UK blogger so I was like how do you expect anybody to be educated about anything that's going on right now when you can't even write down the stuff properly in your copy so I was just oh yeah that you're it's like if you were talking about Fox News I know right I'd you know it happens every country has got their their trash media man every country has them and I'm sorry if Fox News Gaza gets offended over me calling them that but whenever you manipulate facts in order to give it a pull litical angle I'm sorry that's trash that is trash media you should be ashamed of yourselves yeah these articles that I saw from from from various people who are at the event we're slanting their articles always to say hua hua Li hua Mei hua way and any mention of honor honor is part of the Huawei group but they are their own company they create a good amount of good products the honor Tony Pro is an example of that product so it's just a little it's very annoying when honor gets you know they went to an event that is honor but the word honor is uttered far less in those articles than the word Huawei is like it's an afterthought to them it's like oh by the way we're at the honor thing but but Huawei is bla bla bla bla bla it's crazy like I I'm happy to talk to anybody about any of these things whether it's on TV or anything like that one of our friends Michael Josh was actually on the BBC talking about this whole thing too which was cool for him but yeah but yeah I mean you have to like I don't know you have to show you have to show justice not only to the story itself but also to the people who you bring on like and you know you know here's the thing I mean I don't think I have the preparation of most of these journalists so I have a lot of respect for those that remain objective it's a very difficult topic what's going on is concerning for me because I am concerned over being tracked and being followed the problem is we've been living in a world where we've been tracked and followed we didn't create this thing I want you to think about this who created the possibility for you to be tracked in maps Google who created the possibility for ads to target you through voice Amazon who created there are there are a lot of services out there that what they're white had it's services and therefore we should allow them to track us there is nothing right about having a company take advantage of my speech and using that to try to sell me something there's nothing correct about that and so I think that this is a broader topic that obviously so what should we be less concerned because a us you because the United States is doing it and not a common country I don't know man I mean sure it could be used for espionage but my god man I I mean like I don't know what I'm more concerned about there is no type of espionage where whether it be having a company try to sell me something or another company trying to use it for other means none of it is correct so if we're gonna attack the problem let's please attack it you know fully I feel that Apple is probably the company that quote-on-quote is doing the best job at avoiding this I'm gonna have to use Apple as an example they encrypt everything they were approached by different government entities to try to unlock a phone and it was clear that they couldn't unlock it uh you know so the question is who is trying to protect the consumer what is trying so if the United States is trying to protect the consumer through this action that's great I have to agree with it that is awesome but it does leave it this leave two challenges can we please do it for every company one and number two can companies please just act up and try to work on making better phones because the only reason why huawei has become so popular is because they've started making better phones so if US companies are concerned over competition good I challenge you guys come on try to learn what this camera can do and put it on this yeah or be less compromising about other products and actually make a thin but a powerful laptop like yeah I mean look at this thing yes this I wait wait why can that have a GPU inside and work and I can't have that in a 13-inch MacBook Pro that cost a thousand dollars more than that thing yeah absolutely and so and so we we have a big we have a couple of challenges and again I I can't sit down and defend anybody because I don't know the facts the and there's no such thing as alternative facts Fox News there are only facts and that's in facts are lies that's that it's black or white facts or lies and so I don't have all the facts I don't know the information over national security I'm not gonna talk about that what I am gonna talk about is the reason why Huawei has become so popular over the last three to four years and it's because they've been pushing out superior products why is it that they can if they have all the money right they put all the R&D in they put all the money in their R&D and they've come up with superior products so why can't we stop worrying about putting the new putting more money in the pockets of CEOs through the stock market and start using that money into actually creating companies that make us product superior which is something let me ask you this give me one u.s. smartphone company that's not Apple that's actually popular give me water that's zero it's absolutely zero because because I can't I can't even say it's Google because their products are an afterthought yeah and we had this discussion over dinner one time where I was saying like what did this be one I don't think they have the gall to do this but what if this was an opportunity for Google to actually push pixel and to push all of their devices you know but I don't think they would have the gall to do it honestly it would be great I'm am I'm not saying that what they're listen I mean here's the thing not absolutely everything that's happening here is necessarily bad think about the fact that Google services don't work in China and so US software has been banned into China for 10 years 15 years so to a certain degree what's happening with the United States banning Chinese products here is kind of fair of you think about it why is it that the Chinese can ban us software but the u.s. can't bend Chinese products why not yeah that's that's a fair point um so I'm trying to be fair here I you know I I think that US companies need to work on their hardware I think that China needs to work on not banning US companies I mean hey because what's the thing I think it's the smartest strategy that China could have ever done this is what has made Chinese companies such monsters because their market is so big the more the more they control it the more they only allow Chinese companies like WeChat and so many others be the only ones that operate in China is the way we'd like they have enough of a market they have more pie they have a larger population than most countries in the world combined yeah very true so I guess kind of the final question that I want to pose here is and this is the question that these traditional these traditional media journalists are asking me like so what advice do you have to anybody who might be buying a Huawei group device right now so Huawei - honored 22 an honor 20 Pro is there anything that we can give because I told them the exact same thing that you were saying earlier like we don't have all of the facts when they asked me they told me we're gonna talk about the device and then when they brought me aside the first thing they said was how do you feel about all this Huawei Google stuff and I was like guys I don't have I have no more information than you do right now what are you expecting from you right now you're expecting a sound byte that's your sound boy I don't know anything yeah I can only give you what I hope to happen which is I hope the consumer gets transparency I hope that if Google and Huawei actually come to an agreement that allows Android to be on Huawei devices I want there to be some sort of in paper agreement on paper that says Huawei phones will have support for the next X years that will help the consumer actually know whether or not to get their devices but as far as right now is concerned I don't know do you have any thoughts to give our our listeners and consumers who might be interested let me ask you I haven't done my p30 Pro review and I was gearing up to have it I should do it or not I know I mean what should I do it should I not do it I don't know the answer and so okay if it were my money if I were a consumer and this was happening I would not buy a Huawei product right now I would not because we don't know what the feature oh yes the thing about this is just like in the case of ziti because Huawei is not the first company ZTE was first my opinion back then we started giving a lot of coverage on that and then I asked Jules not to continue into the into the topic because see here's the thing every single legal entity has rights every single legal entity has rights every single person in this in every country has rights technically or at least in paper and so sure they can be blacklisted but they can also sue and they can also defend themselves and so the question is they're definitely gonna sue the quitz only a matter of time as to when and it's only a matter of time as to seeing what the results will be because to a certain degree the United States is putting themselves in a very difficult position they're blocking Commerce which is literally what enables this country and so there should be to a certain degree that the you know Huawei deserves a fair trial they deserve my mic might you know what the funny part is the funny part is that nobody has been able to prove any of the claims yet and so you know Huawei can be like okay prove it are you kidding are you saying that this country does not have the technology to be able to prove is if we do spy or not mmm you know or it could just be that the United that it could just be that the United States is gonna be like you know what okay fine why don't you talk to your government and have your government remove those policies where they're allowed to use your technology as a way to spy on us you know it could be so many things it's not in China's convenience to lose us manufacturing it's not like if Apple moves all if Foxconn which is a Taiwanese company they're not Chinese tech mainland China if Foxconn moves all their factories out of China dude that is gonna be the collapse of Qin gen yeah that's true because they manufacture all of those products right yeah so think about this this is a huge deal and if Apple and if companies like Apple are going to be taxed and they're gonna have to throw that tax into consumers what limits them to move manufacturing to India where you can also find an expensive labor Latin America you can also find an expensive labor and so I mean Foxconn can move factories to wherever they want the iPhone success is already being produced in India it started being fully mass-produced as of last month last week sorry and so again this is a very difficult topic and you know what the problem is that there is no such win-win scenario in this problem in whichever and let's assume that Huawei does come up with an operating system and they do come up with a chip dude they have such a large market that they have the scale to be able to survive on their own how many Chinese companies remain in China they never leave China and we've never heard of those companies here but they're massive OPOs one of them Oppo only lives in a pack asia-pacific that's all they do and they're currently like what they're the fourth largest company in the world and they only sell an APEC for the most part yeah they're starting to sell the negative there's a reason why this launch was in Europe because they're starting to trickle in but clearly not in the US that's that's that's the thing do think about Xiaomi Xiaomi is a monster and most of what they sell is only China so these Chinese companies they don't need they don't need to work outside of China they don't they can survive just with China and so I feel that obviously this affects the United States when it comes to manufacturing and affects the United States when it comes to the fact that now that Huawei owns all those IPS for 5g how exactly does the United States plan to deploy 5g without the Huawei patents mmm yeah I mean is that so okay I don't want to get in too deeply into this topic cuz we already hit our one hour mark but yeah I mean we're gonna have to rely on I mean we have faith in Qualcomm that there 5g is actually going to be good but yes but some of these patents belong to let's say which is so they're drew which add so many wrinkles to this whole thing because it's not just us versus China in a lot of ways there's a lot of conjoining details that the two cannot live without one another in a way and it's crazy that you know we're drawing lines in the sand and it's affecting more people that it should yeah it is affecting more people intentions it's a difficult topic and and you know what I have to say I don't know all the facts you don't know all the facts right now this is a very complicated topic it's only gonna continue unwinding into more and more consequences out of everything that's happening and if the United States believes that there is that they're going to protect themselves no it's it's a lose-lose scenario everything that's happening right now is a lose-lose you know it certainly feels that way okay cool well we hit our one hour mark even with a few technical difficulties which is perfectly fine I'm just that's a reason why we record these now so we can actually edit them together in a way and I will make sure to provide a little bit of b-roll of these products that we were talking about on camera but yeah with that said I'm gonna go ahead and get into our outro Jaime and Brandon I will make sure to talk about their social media handles in those but for now we're just gonna go ahead and we'll roll it out to the outro and on that no that is it for the weekly thank you so much for tuning in and also for 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