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hey there it's Jules long from pocket now and when we recorded the show this week we didn't expect the software to completely tear apart the new summary section which is why we won't be seeing it on this week's YouTube version but it is available on the full audio version at pocketnow.com there will be a link in the description but we did want to share some video with you at least so fortunately we have our conversation with Evan Rogers she is social media manager for Engadget and he wrote up and dished out that little critique of galaxy s 8 reviews that we've been talking about so that should be an interesting conversation but before we get to that I think we need to take a moment to thank our sponsor I think that would only be appropriate for the continued production of this podcast and that sponsor is of course blue apron now just because you're busy that doesn't mean you don't have time to put together interesting meals using high-quality ingredients blue apron takes the guesswork out of cooking delivering the exact amounts of food you need for each recipe we've been using it and when they say you need one potato you get one potato for that recipe all of those ingredients meat and vegetables are sourced ethically using sustainable sources and they're often very close to you supporting local farmers in your area meals are delivered to 99% of the continental United States and the costs are under $10 per serving now some of the meals available this month lemon grass burgers and cabbage slaw seared chicken and creamy couscous and a spicy pepper and ricotta calzone that one I'm really excited to try now those all sound super fancy but each menu each item comes with a menu card to walk you through the recipe step by step with full-color photos putting together rich flavorful meals should not be stressful or intimidating each week you can customize your menu to fit your particular tastes and dietary restrictions including vegetarian options and blue apron has an extensive collection of recipes so subscribers won't encounter the same meal twice over the course of a year cooking together can help improve family bonds and blue apron families cook together three times more often I do I keep my my little daughter Lex she stays in the kitchen while I'm putting food together if it's blue apron or not but the blue apron meals are really fun because she likes to play with the recipe cards while I'm trying to read what my next step is so it's a fun way to bond over food while we're also singing her favorite Muppet and Disney songs you will love how good it feels and tastes to create incredible home-cooked meals with blue aprons so don't wait check out this week's menu and get your first three meals for free by going to blue apron dot-com slash pocket now once again blue apron comm slash pocket now and we thank them for supporting the pocket knife let's not waste any time and get straight into the new Samsung Galaxy sa the Samsung Galaxy s8 the Samsung Galaxy s8 something galaxy si si si si si si f8 Alexei is opposite the si si talking about everything you need to know about galaxy f8 but before I can talk about how great this phone is I have to answer the question that everyone is thinking would it be too much to say that the Galaxy s8 is the best Android phone of the year so moving on to a segment I'm very excited about is we've got a sit-down a conversation here joining us on the podcast is mr. Evan Rogers he's the social manager the social media manager adding gadget do I have that correct yes yes absolutely okay good and he recently produced a really provocative video starting a conversation taking a look at the state of smartphone technology reviewing on the youtubes in the year 2017 I'm really happy that you could join us on the show and this is a video that spurred a lot of conversation amongst individuals like us you know like the content producers on YouTube the people that are really trying to dig into these smartphones and tablets the sort of consumer electronics space and so I wanted to start off first because you you currently work at and gadget you came from the verge now was it at the verge that you became a Samsung hating anti Android shill or got some common logic that I break that up over time yes yes not photographers so anti Android people are made not born is what you're saying uh yes I would actually we're joking but I would I would agree with that I don't have all the joking yes completely being facetious really I wanted to jump in first this this to me was a very honest video and we don't get these kinds of conversations very often on our side of this business I felt this was a very heartfelt video and I felt this was a very scathing look at kind of where we find ourselves in information versus entertainment and I was really hoping you could maybe elaborate on just where you were personally when you were thinking about putting this video together like how you came to this place where this was a conversation you really wanted to have yes sure so I mean before before I was in at a gadget I was doing some consulting specifically on like just media company YouTube management so like just how do you run your YouTube channel as a media company and while I was doing that you know I've really found that as a lot of media companies kind of hit the same hit the same wall which is that they're they're under a lot of different constraints when it comes to how they produce video even just generally right but once you kind of enter once you kind of enter the first the reticle of technology journalism and then beyond that even smaller into the reviews game then you've got you know kind of a lot of things playing into your workflow and basically I just I was trying to figure out a good way to provide commentary on basically those constraints I also didn't hurt that that I was like working on the you know I was working in researching for the Engadget channels and just like looking at all the embargoes that went up and just like oh my gosh these are all these videos are the same you don't I mean alright well I guess I mean like the follow up to that was so there wasn't really anything unique necessarily about like the Galaxy s8 launched as a phone it was more that just the timing had kind of come to a zenith where so many people were trying to accomplish the same thing under the same constraints and independently that means we all kind of arrived at the same quality of discussion right and so that's that it's really I mean first and foremost the very first thing that I should say is that you know I know a lot of people that do reviews and like it just I can't emphasize it enough that it is so hard to write them then beyond that it's very time-consuming to to compartmentalize and compact your written review into a script and then from there you know you have to get the video shot and so that's really what I wanted to talk about was less the kind of creative liberties that reviewers are taking and more about the constraints that like lead to this place right you know I mean I'm actually really glad that you brought it up that way it's something that I've noticed as a significant shift in the discussion the commentary when I started reviewing actually I started by reviewing recording equipment and then sort of broadened into consumer electronics but when I started it was all about writing three thousand four thousand words on a product and then you would have this terrible YouTube video of these disembodied hands molesting a gadget for two minutes and that was you that was your your coverage and you know even for the inside baseball at pocket now when we're getting ready to publish a review the major focus initially is on that video and then a couple days later like I'm in the process of writing wonderful galaxy essay plus review that's going to go up on our site as a text piece they we can get into even just a little bit more granular details on the usage of this phone but the primary focus was pushing that video forward was pushing that video out first so so I guess I mean just in kind of for our audience you produced this video and you know I think it was the intro to your discussion here that I think perked a lot of eyebrows that that really got a lot of people's attention as you were doing these really aggressive cuts between the various popular youtubers talking about this phone and all kind of landing on the same bullet points then there's the camera taking a look at the camera on the galaxy s 8 it is the same as a lost year so it has the same specs no dual cameras like some of its rivals honestly you're not going to see too much of a difference here on the rear camera that's not really a big deal though because they were great to start with I mean the first thing I think someone would ask is like was there a lot of editing involved in that or were you going through these videos seeing like well this is the section that everyone seems to talk about here and this is the section that everyone seems to talk about here and this is like straight out of the reviewers guide that Samsung supplies to all of these individuals so no I mean so first off I have never seen I've actually never seen the press materials for the Galaxy s8 I've have gotten to see the Galaxy S 8 itself I was at the event but I've never seen the press kit and if people don't know for any new thing that comes out there's like here points that like you know the company will say Talking Points Memo yeah yeah yeah like here are some things that you could talk about if you on it right and I don't that was actually not my right um because I've never seen it and I have no idea what they sent although we all know pretty much what they send in those things but more it was that I was watching a bunch of these and the language that everyone was using you know I mean like when I cut on a specific word like the camera or the word comfortable uh like it's not just that people are making the same points in an abstract way sometimes if they're making points in like using literally the same language and that is ones that's what I'm just like what is that was another word I was like what is happening you know what I mean and ya know there it was so I mean your video actually generated a lot of discussion internally between the producers here PocketNow because it's one of the things on our channel where we have very different styles for each of the producers we don't really have kind of a unified sense of how reviews should be produced and it was one of the reasons why they brought me on was actually to try and shake up some of that commentary with some of the technical aspects of how we conduct phone reviews so as I was watching through your video and seeing sort of like we've got the dolly shots we've got like the the same quality or insightfulness for some of the the individual features of the phone the Galaxy s8 served as a really sort of great platform for you to engage in this discussion was there any fallout like you know a tech community where people mad reviewing community no yeah like or no one like trying to throw you like a false DMCA or anything like tabs particular absolutely not so I was yet no first of all I was and I think that's totally fair if someone wanted to slap me with a like hey you use my video I mean the first thing I would say is I've used this in sort of editorial like quality but also like that's fair like it's your video I don't care if you want to do that go for it but nobody has and then also like there were people who definitely rendered some feedback but most of it was very agreeable from like the actual tech community there were some fans right who were quick to point out that there are differentiated players on YouTube and I don't disagree at all actually like ah you guys are one of them but you know when it comes to the players who are winning right like and this is this conversation is deeply about YouTube and smartphone reviews and Technology reviews on YouTube and the YouTube community right um it's you know the regular tech press is going through its own kind of whole thing but like I write work in that so like it's not like so they I'm really in a position to comment on but when it comes to YouTube specifically like the feedback that I got again was really that that trying to say that there are differentiated players out there but that actually was my point which is that choice is like pocket now super staff marques unbox therapy they are so different than the traditional canonical review right right but there are paradoxically you know in recent times so many of them I think that's really the point that I was trying to make is it like there's nothing unusual about a YouTube like a corner of YouTube where there are four to five big players but what I do think is strange and questionably sustainable is when you have you know 20 to 30 creators who fundamentally have the same constraints right like you may you may receive a review difficult to have sort of I'm sorry to interrupt please I don't have like a differentiated voice when you're all working under very similar constraints very similar time frames kind of poking at the exact same product and having to do that I think in the same way because you know the audience is sort of expecting a certain level of cinematography well that takes up time from really using the gadget oh yeah get to know it to have that that process and so I make I felt like that was really the biggest takeaway I feel like we kind of dodged a bullet at pocket now because we weren't part of that embargo um so oh yeah end up in your video and in fact your video on my on my Twitter channel actually kind of upset my galaxy say plus review and I was sharing or to eat like I was looking at the numbers like your tweet trended better on my Twitter on my Twitter page than my review of the Catholic CSA Plus did um so I mean you know that's that yeah that's that's no judgment I mean you guys are you guys are hitting straight and I was I was you know kind of like like offering a hot sake and that's the injustice of Twitter is often the break after the take is like for whatever is more popular than the actual thing but you know like well but I felt like that really that really um that really Illustrated personally and one of the reasons why I was I was being genuine when I said like hey you know from your video there are definitely some things I feel I could learn from the discussion that you're starting here I it's the necessary evil you know the galaxy s 8 reviews that were out prior to ours trended really well hit really hard on YouTube and we were late to that discussion and just as you were mentioning in that video commentary about the reviews was already starting to supersede the reviews themselves by the date we were able to publish our video and that timing I think was was really precious for us and seeing the practical application of what you were describing in your commentary right and this is the thing you know if I had criticism for myself on this video which as a creator you instantaneously do for anything you create it's that there's a lot of points kind of here and the very you know one of the things that I would love to explore more in future videos or or maybe another written thing is that there are like serious implications to waiting right like what I proposed was was they like you know taking the time to do something different and that is great as an ideal but at the same time like you for every actually for every hour that goes by that you don't have you know your video up relative to people who hit at the exact embargo time you're you're literally just losing one like there's no other way to put it like you're yes you're you're addressing your audience's needs but when it comes down to especially when you're competing with YouTube creators directly it is it is actually like a revenue thing you know if you choose to do this at a much later time you must simply by the nature of YouTube and the nature of like the audience Network like you have to provide incredible cinematography you have to provide incredibly salient points and um you know it's can definitely be done but at the same time you know you can put out kind of this like overview this kind of glossy overview at the embargo time and reap a majority of the traffic which is again at Leena like this is part of the the system that I don't think leads to really incredible and differentiated works I mean everyone everyone stuff looks really good and they make very good points but the reason why we have 30 reviews that look the same instead of 30 reviews that are wildly different and personal is because of this phenomenon which is that you simply must post when everyone else posts in order to make that money or to gain that audience or whatever right and we're actually on on this on this very day that this is being recorded we're kind of in the same boat again you know blackberry just took the wraps off the key one and that initial embargo push is was really only enough time for people to put out sort of a hands-on or an unboxing or a first impressions video and I mean if you're gaming because I you know think we follow each other on Twitter by the time we get to real reviews I'd be willing to wager that the first two weeks of the 24 hours videos are going to significantly help perform the first two weeks of the actual knowledgeable reviews of the product when people have more time to actually spend with the gadget for sure for sure and that's the that's that's the crazy thing to which is that like you know the audience segments that like there is like AB I would I would push back a little bit and say that there absolutely is an audience who is looking for that super deep dive but that audience is much smaller the ones that are both interested in that level of granularity and also patient enough to to wait for that or loyal to loyal enough to your to your publication to to wait for your particular voice it's just a smaller number than people who are like yo I just saw this Galaxy s8 thing or whatever the key one or whatever in trending and just watched it you know like that's so different like those audiences are completely different well and so this is a this is a hypothesis that I've I've posited on previous podcasts so I apologize to my listeners that I'm going to bring this up again as technology has sort of become life style right you know like the geek inherited the earth right you know can't exist in modern society without gadgets which you know if I were to go back in time to high school and tell myself that I would be over the moon but as that transition has happened my personal experiences in talking about this stuff I kind of feel like the people who are consistently engaging with tech channels are doing so more to sort of confirm their notions on products and less to be educated about products as many consumers have sort of picked the team that they're going to side with for what phone they use to get through the day yeah I I would definitely agree that there are for stuff for whatever reason forces at work that are stratifying people amongst these things but that may be the case but also I think that you know that my opinion is more that phones are fashion like technology is socially and and that you know people are more interested in being kind of involved in technology culture then necessarily at the at the intersection of a technology purchase decision essentially run like hell yeah like I have so actually the other day like like the other day I was really trying to find out if the xperia x zs had like a textured back instead of a brushed back and like I literally could not find this like I like I could not lay I looked at everybody like written review because they have you know more high-resolution photos look at every for a review I'm like I can't like I was I don't even want this phone really but like I'd there's like Evan the most important thing to know about that phone is the super slow motion mode I mean in the reviewers kit it's way more important than the back material or and I just say that like I would just love a nice 240 hundred and eighty or sorry 1080p at 240 I don't like I just don't care about 960 at 720 is okay what's on crap but no but anyway so like I wasn't even at I wasn't even at like a purchasing decision I was more just like what is this phone made out of and like um you know I I that took me through like seven videos you don't I mean right and these like D first of all you like you can't buy an expiry in a store but what attracted me to the xperia is just how it looks right it just looks like a like to my eyes it looks like a fashionable device and that is what set me on a cascade of you know to be like to be analytical or sterile with a look at content consumption binge but but I think that I'd also think that like when that what drives what drives a lot of people like what drives a lot of these audiences is is somewhat the deep fan base like the people who cruise reddit's are / Android the XDA people but you do have a much wider swath of people that are really in it for the fashion in the culture and those are the kind of like drive-by audience members that are yeah are the ones that that will kind of hang out only as long as the like embargo syrup really you know like on the bottom bar go day right well and I'm also found that those are often people that have probably already made their purchasing decision so when I started reviewing gadgets that really felt my it was my job because I had access it was my job to help inform where now the people that are most engaging not necessarily even the most number of views for a video but the people that were most gauging with my videos are people that know just as much about the product as I have in some times they've had the product longer yeah is there a viewer no totally right and they're there they absolutely already know they want to have like a discussion with you in the comments and actually love that that's one of the best things about the YouTube community but you're absolutely right like those people are not at the crossroads of a purchasing decision where they need help you know what I mean right there they're deeply involved in the kind of like you know and I think that this is something that reflects in the reviews to which is that you know oftentimes reviews will take one or another kind of cut right where sometimes reviewers will kind of get a little in my distance in my opinion they'll just get a little bit over involved with like the history of Samsung or like this is how much the design has changed over the years and you know in reality people are like is it made of metal does the batteries last all day will it explode if I drop it and like is the camera reasonably fine and slides and then other ones other ones are like other reviews are like these are the benchmarks like you can run a Wii U game on this like I can actually do that only GameCube and Wii games right now it's the dolphin and later but still but still yeah it's my favorite when someone does also like a ram tasking like we loaded 30 i-n memory like okay that's awesome no I mean like that's great I've never done I mean there's there is an audience for that it's like you know what and like seriously there are like they're like just like power user teenagers I imagine who are on some kind of like next-level Instagram tip that that need that so I mean it was it was a major point in your video because I mean obviously the major evidence in in sort of what you were trying to illustrate in how these reviews can be similar was pulling content from major producers but I was hoping that you could also maybe expand just a little bit on some of the ideas or some of the commentary for up-and-coming youtubers I mean we get a ton of questions from people who are trying to find their own niche in discussing technology in reviewing gadgets or just trying to join the conversation and I felt like you had some really important points to illustrate for that side of the business as well that YouTube can feel really lopsided or top-heavy sometimes yeah yeah so I mean there's a couple things there and one of them I think is the the major advantage that individual youtubers can have over a publication is that the publication for a lot of different reasons needs to make a canonical thing because that's the way the website works the website has most websites well I shouldn't say that big the big tech like generalist websites they're going to have one review and a couple of breakout stories right and the nice thing is that an individual content creator you can take a few you can kind of take a few tax which is that like you really the unbundling is what's up like people okay so like you have this canonical review where the reviewer could spend maybe 60 seconds on the camera and even that is also that's like a lot in video time yeah you know right a little right and like instead of that you know that's just such a bit in a review like that 60 seconds is such a huge budget for talking points but you know there's no reason why you can't go so ham on the camera and create like a ten minute video that covers everything you could possibly want to know every scenario every lighting situation every camera mode and like yeah you know it's for the first look if you decide to do this the first video you're not going to get that many views because if you blur it be like you really like went deep but right people will come to know you and trust you for the individual you know perspective that you bring to it and that's the thing is it like you know the don't get me wrong unbox and marques they have beautiful cinematography but a they didn't always and B I think you know one of the crazy things about both of them is that you could actually listen to their video as audio and another tab and it's still pretty enjoyable because what you're there for is really their personality I'm sure marques would hate that because they put so much work into his visuals red cameras ain't cheap so no no they are not but that's the thing is that like in fact I it's just last night actually I was doing some like pre pro for this call and just like kind of grabbing some numbers here and there and I forget I really should have bookmarked this but I lost the tab it was like phones versus and I think it might be phone versus phone and this is just this kid he's a young man who is just like doing stuff like walking around and like this is the stabilization on the front-facing camera of these two models of phones and like that's incredibly useful you know I mean if you are trying to decide whether or not to make a purchase that kind of stuff is incredibly useful like oh the problem is the problem is really balancing all these things and YouTube is just not an ideal platform for doing that you know what I mean like if I am at a crossroads if I am trying to buy something like right now I've got to Amazon tab open right I don't I don't really care about the legacy of Samsung's design is good I mean I've literally felt it was it was right before we were jumping and I caught three different videos like I forget one of them was every single Samsung Galaxy S phone compared or something that and it was like below another video that was a comp the same thing and then another one where it was like s5 vs s6 vs. s7 versus as a right a I'm not really quite sure who that's for other than they can go to someone images it can be for someone but like that's the thing is like YouTube is like look I encourage anyone out there right like do this little analysis right now look it's publisher YouTube's like for example for example Bloomberg that company has more money than God and like their YouTube channel is not that strong right right and the reason is is that like YouTube channels are a often about personalities but be even more broadly they're really about one thing well like one thing done well it's very just incredibly hard to have a channel where you do a bunch of different stuff and take off unless your personality is like so there but um you know like I think SAS says in his channel trailer like the thing that you land on in his page he literally positions his videos that's something that you should watch before you buy something and so like that kind of clarity I think really works and then also like you know like for you know the like Phil Nicholson and Michael Fisher like they both are taking a very kind of particular angle on the sort of thing on on YouTube and look at their growth I mean like if you get on social blade just look at how quickly they've been able to grow relative to like I worked on the verge channel for the first two years right and it like it was hard I think it was like it was like pulling teeth to get that thing to like three hundred thousand you know I mean and they they know they're well on their way you know and not even beyond it now so I mean like there's definitely to your original question about what individuals creators can do you have a huge advantage over the big players you know I mean so I would say like if you can find a voice for yourself and find a voice for what it is you seriously care about in terms of these technology devices like you have the biggest leg up on publishers ever and like you if you're interested then you should explore that right on now I know we've we've got to let you go here soon but especially in kind of maybe Twitter stalking you for a little bit um especially over the last 24 hours I wanted to change gears just real quickly and and we don't to spend a lot of time on this but just to get your thoughts on the news that broke yesterday about chairman PI a jeep I and the is is public comments on the FCC's plans for ending net neutrality and Engadget had some phenomenal coverage as because some of our coverage can be a little boutique as it pertains specifically you know smartphones tablets and wearables um I I was I was just curious like what your thoughts were personally I mean also kind of pointing to some of and gadgets coverage writing about those topics tech in politics definitely something that's going to be a very I think passionate subjects for a lot of our respective audiences and the code for isn't coming months and years absolutely of course I mean so first and foremost you know I you know my opinions here not reflect about the company I work for etcetera etcetera disclaimer disclaimer but you know I'll just add myself to that too yeah um but you know you really should go read the thing that Terence wrote he had something up really fast and he's a really good editor and you know it's so you should go read that but like my opinion is this is completely like you know the idea that the market has performed well in levels of in existing levels of low regulation is just not factual and based in reality like right I don't know if you ever saw this in my backlog but like when I lived in Tennessee I didn't have access to internet like as just a thing and that was wow that was in December of last year and uh yeah we didn't have you so you weren't in Chattanooga no I was not in Chattanooga the most fiber Laden city in the world apparently but no so why I had to go out and get to t-mobile like hotspots and connects to the one tower that was like in my like outside of Nashville zones that was that was my life you know and I was paying 200 bucks a month o to do that to work and like lives in the digital economy so like to say that you know this deregulation is helpful for consumers or that this I forget what the exact quote is and I am going to misquote it so I do apologize but like that whatever the quote was about energizing a disenfranchised space like bro ro I literally lived there like I literally lived there and like I would tell you what would be energizing it's like having a portable access to the Internet that would be energizing for my community uh when I lived back in Tennessee so I mean that's my two cents you know well nigh and I thank you for sharing that it's a it was um I put out a little vlog on it and everything - I'm trying to keep as much discussion on this as possible because it's one of these topics that I feel is framed as a left versus right kind of debate and even though I will probably wear that bleeding heart on my sleeve I'm still a capitalist and I don't really feel this needs to divide people when we can point to data points that we could be doing better and we could be better serving a number of communities I for example apparently Tennessee still needs some help and I know they just recently went through some legislation to dump more public money into infrastructure but they're still preventing fiber rollout ever I'm leaving Chattanooga so you know one step forward two steps back or two steps not taken yeah two steps just I don't know some direction I supposed like oh yeah I don't do I don't think that this is I don't think that this is a partisan issue like nobody's going to align on party lines when what like the lines that people aligned on are like our one mapped out by telecom providers right you don't I mean like you have internet or you don't and like the the area around me in Tennessee was a very low-income area and you had only had two practical options right which was Verizon's wireless internet service which which is around a hundred one hundred and fifty bucks for twenty two gigs um right and like when you combine low access in a low-income area with a very very high price you know offering like you are just exploiting people you know and then like right uh they're not so I kind of feel like there's there is a because I think this is a this is an issue that I think my team the left has done a very poor job of acting as an opposition party in really trying to move the needle on progress right for this kind of stuff because I also feel like we're leaving a ton of money on the table for a lot of these underserved communities and areas of the United States where they've been harder hit economically or they're facing more significant job loss giving them access to information improving healthcare through better connectivity improving education through better connectivity only would only serve to give each and every single one of these populations regardless of race or socioeconomic background or anything would only serve to give them a more substantial leg up in a 21st century economy right I mean well there's some distant details here that that I think shouldn't be overlooked which are just that this is you know this is the outing of a plan yeah this is not the law yet um correct and you know at least we have the opportunity to provide comments I don't there's something I need to like actually dig deeper into like specifically what was said in this meeting because I've only had the opportunity to look at write-ups about it uh but I actually I would highly recommend there is a c-span stream I think it was yesterday at the Newseum in ITC like news museum gaseum it's about an hour long and the opening comments are from a representative representative of Freedom Works so a lot of what you've been discussing from the write-ups is on point because that's obviously what was said but it was an interest in my opinion again that representing PocketNow directly it was an interesting linguistic gymnastics display as they were trying to conflate regulations and other industries which may or may not actually stein the business progress but then also trying to use this as a way to champion small business and that to me became one of one of the big qua moments was you're talking about a deregulation a system which would absolutely benefit I think the top players in this in this market but I see no evidence to to point to that that would indicate that this would be better for that tiny little app developer or the next Netflix or whatever type of future Internet service it's going to be really hot and use a lot of bandwidth being able to compete fairly in a market like that yeah yeah so I mean that it's hard because I really like haven't done the due diligence but like that kind of off the cuff just seems like silly sound to me I mean my my undergraduate you know I studied econ right and like right theoretically if you're believing all the Keynesian sorry I don't know if we can swear on this podcast I really apologize okay that you know what I mean we mark this as adults okay III just try try try to maybe not drop a bunch of f-bomb okay very forever um no but I mean like you know there's yes there's a delineation it's true that in a lot of cases you can get short-term growth by deregulating industries because they will invest you know they feel like though the door is now a jar we are free to run through it and yes you can definitely get some short-term gains short term gains out of that but I you know I'm not an economist but uh you know whether or not that that actually benefits small companies that work on the Internet as opposed to literally providing infrastructure for the internet whether that provides benefits to consumers who are operating within a government sanctioned monopoly or oligopoly that dike doesn't really stack for me but again like that's just my kind of like off the cuff like that's like I don't know yeah I you can also hide to be her to well in and to me yeah I think evidence is is sort of a key talking point there but I along with you I'll have to defer because you even have a leg up on me because I was a theater student incompetent I have even less business talking about the economy mr. Evan Rogers I want to thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us I felt your video was was a very important discussion to have in a future economy I mean again kind of coming back to the economics on this where we've been empowered to create our own content and so giving people that sort of insight I felt was really beneficial to the discussion folks everyone who's listening to this or watching the YouTube livestream we're going to link this in our in our show notes to you going you're going to want to check out Samsung Galaxy s8 Mehta review if you search for that on YouTube or if you look for Evan Rogers his YouTube channel where you can pick that up and you can find Evan Rogers on Engadget he's the social media manager for Engadget and his Twitter handle I mean like I'm super jelly of your little check mark there on Twitter at Evan Rogers it's very new so you know I'm gonna I'm going to see like I've been trying to fill in the the the digital paperwork to get mine to I want to join you there but Evan thank you so much for joining us and I really appreciate you taking the time thank you so much I really appreciate you