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different topics and talking about so many things all at once I wanted everyone to pick the one thing they truly liked and that's exactly what we're talking about in this episode I'm not gonna spoil anything but we do have Nicole Scott of mobile geeks as our special guest I interview her in the first half of this podcast and then in the last half of the podcast we have myself Adam from XDA and of course hi mate of Ada and the three of us talk about our favorite things at MWC cheers gt-r's tea Cheers day three trying to make sure our voices don't go away oh yeah I've been doing that by getting lots of sleep one of the few I feel like not last night but the other night I actually got eight hours the other day oh really okay I didn't set my alarm so I just naturally slept seven hours and 45 minutes it's really great to have you on the when was the last time did I have you on after I took on the weekly yet I don't think so okay welcome back No thank you really happy really happy to make the first happen once again yeah great alright so we're gonna get right into it as I'm trying to make the podcast a little bit more focused in terms of its topics I'm going to have a segment a little bit later actually talking about my favorite thing at MWC we're also gonna have Jaime and Adam a little bit later but for this one super special special guest of course the floor is yours I see bated a lot what topic I should bring up and I don't think that you can get around the mate X the huawei mate X as the big kind of topic of the show it was released here unlike Samsung Galaxy fold which was a few days before yeah I still buy and go ahead so actually that that's one of the things that I've been asking people do you think that we as media love the phone more because we've been able to touch it and have access to it I think so but I don't want to put it past wall way the the level of engineering that they've managed to put into that to prove to consumers and to for now us that that kind of form factor is absolutely possible and can actually be great and I mean I'm of two minds right I do believe that the mate X might be technically superior to the fold like just like the way that it's one display makes it a little more elegant the way that there's the cameras down the side the way that just it just it's quite future when you fold it out oh yeah but I think that technically the the fold might be a better device because it shields the display because the displays on the inside right because it's outside versus inside yeah right and yeah Samsung's construction isn't as elegant right with three displays at three displays two displays two displays right the one on the inside of the one on the outside though 8.8 right so we have like it's not as elegant I'll give you that but like I think that it might be the more durable construction considering that we have plastic display now it's gonna be scratch a bull yeah it's not gonna shatter but I remember the last plastic display phone I reviewed and I actually used it for I think like eight six eight six eight months sure and there's like pixel bleeding there's dead pixels like the display just doesn't stack up did you see the there there can be a crease of sort in the middle I'm sure that's just gonna be par for the course but is that going to be a deal-breaker considering this as the form factor they've gone with I think that that crease in the middle is exactly where we're gonna see those dead pixels in the pixel and all of yours right so I I think that the physical construction right now like we're gonna see problems would you would you believe not believe rather let me rephrase that if you were to have this phone as a daily driver do you think that it would make you coddle it do you think that it would make you change how let's say rough you might be with your tech because I know a lot of us in this industry we just tossed everything around so much this is not one of those phones I feels like it should be so when Xiaomi came out with that for ceramic phone yes I didn't bring it out of the studio I was like oh this it was sliding all over the place and I knew I was like I'm gonna break it I'm gonna break it so I didn't bring it out right like it would definitely make me change my habits like mostly because I remember there was one point in my career was I was like so I shouldn't carry a metal nail file in my purse that's that's pretty hard on the tech right so like I'm less careful than most people yeah with their technology so I would be terrified I just can't imagine we all know those people who do that they just throw their phones in their bag and then of course with I don't remember who actually did that test but they put a phone into a backpack and just went like that a bunch and yeah of course like if the phone comes out looking okay then cool but this is literally all scream scream it's Oscar and I like I'm just very afraid of the like they gave it a case because they know about this issue right but at the same time like though it's a first-generation right and it's a little bit between Samsung and hallway the foldable phone proves which company is more innovative right like kind of this moment of like eye catching the consumer to be like look at the innovation in this company right and right now I think hallway definitely won that race right by having the phone that just technically seems like thinner and doesn't have a space in between and though I think both phones have a crease right I'm sure I heard that the the galaxy fold did have a noticeable crease when it was folded over even though there was a gap because I kind of have seen the gap might I can I keep that crease from happening but I guess it's not big enough I mean I'm a surface book user I don't mind the gap it won't it definitely won't be the kind of gap that we saw on the axon em definitely but that was literally a dual-screen device it's a kind of a different thing so the term practicality that is practical a word to use for this find X or find X let me the made X I mean I think that for a first generation device it's one of those just like let's catch the future let's like figure out this form factor let's just come I mean it doesn't matter so much how practical it is Gen 1 right is is about working out those bugs it's for early tech adopters and Beyonce like those like you know big influencers that are gonna be they look at me in my fancy phone who would be besides gal gadot because she's very signed by Huawei who would be the celebrity that that they tap in order to do this kind of phone I think that'd be pretty interesting but not even that not even just that you know just of the impracticality of a phone like this I could if you get one scratch any OCD it's cute you're gonna die you're gonna die looking at this thing that's why I'm tending to be like well you know Samsung though everyone's kind of knocking on them for being less innovative they're not coming to the table of life right the thing is though they're less exciting their execution is stronger right like I've been always been drawn a little bit more towards the galaxy line over the mate line even though the camera might be a little bit better so right I was such a fangirl of Huawei something changed right just like um I find of like maybe it was like the attitude the the advertising of the company that's kind of started curdling against me this influencer thing how they were working with influencers that were just like there's four four cameras on the back right and I'm just like you keep that person a phone for like three days and they never noticed there was only three cameras on the back like so like it just like like maybe from a tech perspective tech journalists perspective sure I started to disrespect them of the word respect them just a little bit less um but like you're a little bit incredulous yeah yeah you're the best it doesn't think like wow he has we remember Huawei like from the p9 yeah and I loved I loved so hard on this phone but just somehow it feels like Samsung has come out with a more business-focused device and I'm more business right like I run my business from my phone I travel a lot I do like and I love taking great photos but like even though I'm a tech reviewer and want the best the 5% difference on the camera is like not enough to have me like make up make other decisions so like III have gone a little bit more mainstream with my tech selection that I am willing to make sacrifices like I'm using a a one plus client like 16 McClaren right this definitely does not have the best low-light camera out there it's not not great but that's the reason why I keep coming back to that term because you bring up the oneplus 60 my battery's about to die over there there's okay I'll change it if I need to you mentioned the oneplus 60 as far as practicality goes I think that that software is probably the best representation of that turn so we even then you know emu I remember you were singing its praises who knows how it's going to react to this kind of form factor the way that's going to change things up I'm sure while we have done their homework yeah by the continuity of the galaxy fold yeah actually enjoyed that a lot me too me too and the fact that Samsung had like I think that their execution on the foldable form factor might be a little bit stronger than hallways like I think that like from like a technical perspective on things really just working like Samsung I think is above hallway and that kind of that kind of realm like there's definitely nothing wrong with the mate xx it's it's one of the best maybe arguably the best phone on the market right like the camera is great the UI is fine the battery life is baller like there's like so many things to really like about it but I think that you know for my use case scenario Samsung has like from their feature creep in the past they've figured out how to make things a little more useful within their operating system indeed I called the maid the maid acts the wallpaper TV of phones because it is literally all display all of the processing happens in that big bar on the side how did you feel about that that form factor on their because they made a big didn't make a big deal about it you can hold like a grip there's I think it's totally fine like this like grip thing Michael hold it out you it knocked on the subway I mean I would be terrified to take that thing on the subway someone would rob me I was watched say yeah I still am so weary of having any of these new devices like anywhere right now because it's it immediately paint you as a target in Barcelona which is a haunt of lots of robbery yeah I was using the S 10 and someone was just like did you buy that I was like no where'd you get it I was like from Samsung and they're like how do you like it show me the fingerprint I mean uh and I was like okay step away step away from the phone the camera is going to die during this next question but if it does let's just keep talking and while I swapped the battery I'm like waiting for it like the indicator is going one more time going back to the practicality term price everyone everyone had it's not matter really doesn't matter doesn't matter I mean I was initially really shocked not affordable not for you know what they could make it $5,000 they was so so out is that a luxury afforded to the Galaxy fold do you think at 1980 is it 1980 1970 300 I mean I think Huawei will drop the price right now it's like it's like 2300 like let's like we're gonna set ourselves as a luxury brand room or expense at the Samsung we have more tech it's right so like they will drop the price I think just initially that are like painting a picture of their you know dominance and their luxury blah blah blah yeah right I think the price will come down to compete with the fold right and then I think that we're going to see they could just knock they could not lower the price and I think they're they're still gonna sell out technology enthusiasts will buy it right we will buy it and early adopters will buy it and rendition does Google people to be early testers and I think like how many average people have said to me I'm gonna get that phone anyways I'll sell it after I really like it's true like even just to have it a lot of people will do it I mean I think that the price like if you think about there's a few luxury car makers that are out there right and you talk to them about them selling cars and they sell their cars for eighty thousand dollars and actually one of them told me I could have put my car out for a hundred and ten thousand dollars and that first initial wave of people who would buy it they they would pay fifty thousand dollars more actually that first set of people the price could be almost anything and they're gonna do it anyways so while we just sort of hit that upper echelon you feel I think and I honestly think that it doesn't matter I'm just talking to affect sales like everyone's like I'm wind jam not gonna bite it's too expensive for me sure yeah but the people who will chunk down who will pay for it we'll do it at 2,000 or 3,000 right yeah I do think that you're right it makes me a tiny bit sad but I do think you're right no there goes the camera I'm going to change that up while I pivot a little bit I should want to pivot this topical oh it's still related I made a comment a little while back - I want to say it was - Issa mm-hmm that phones are starting to get really exciting but she and I had a conversation over LG's air motion and their new biometric features when the time of flight camera on the front she asked me why and I swear this is we're still related to foldables um she asked me why people are so mad at LG quote-unquote for having these features that they that seems so impractical or they that seem so off-base mm-hm and why why people are making such a big deal about it and what I told her was consumers generally want to have more that's what they're used to more power more audio more spec and in this case what people are excited about is basically just more screen right and that's really all these foldables are I guess I guess what I'm saying here is like what are your general thoughts about foldables as a category is it am i off base by by thinking that way no I mean so for me I've actually sweet a lot on the last few days I'm not like first I was like no this is probably gonna be another Google glass and then I was like oh actually you know what I think in the next 10 years everyone we know will have have one either will have one or someone that we know will have one I think 10 is a safe number yes yeah I think tons of it like a very conservative safe number yeah right like I think over the next two years we're gonna try to figure out how this foldable form factor works best right and in that iterative time right we're gonna see a lot of mistakes we're gonna see a lot of stuff and I think the price is gonna need to come down right for someone other than that crazy segment to buy them but I do I do think that it is practical right ok I think I think it's practical if you want to try to envision the future of 5g in the way that 5g can really be exciting right like if we take if we remove a lot of the processing power from the device and 5g just enables this really big base of like data and interaction and like we're able to use that screen real estate to interact with an actual powerful back-end right you know real computers link like link to this dumb device which is where we're altima we headed yeah wit with 5g so having this you know folding out display that suddenly we have a lot more productivity space I think absolutely that but in the meantime I'm telling me that I can stream Netflix better or like you know like just a lot of their use cases I think are too early and not useful enough for the consumer but we are in Gen one right so it's it's it's exciting it's really exciting it's interesting yeah I agree with you there the the fact that we're in generation 1 and they're already this it's good they're good good they're it's kind of surprising how well they were able to execute so far yeah think of like Gen 1 of smartphones as we remember them it was such a different world that's a different world I mean like the first iPhone didn't even have 3G yeah that's right like you think if you just think about it like and then what when when we had the first like convertibles right we didn't know which hint was gonna be the most successful foreign factor for the hinges for us to go into tablet form and then the dominant hinge and it'll be coming up the the yoga hinge basically right like surface does have a like a mechanical mechanism but they're in the minority right and I think that now with the foldable form factor we're gonna start to explore that is the display on the inside it's a display on the outside like how or how will this physical device be set up in order for us to get the most out of it right and I think Samsung does present the most interesting case between the two manufacturers with their triple app capability right and like the app continuity right like and this is why I think that people can't discount the fold because I think Samsung has really thought through this kind of like let's make this them as like productivity based is useful like let's not just focus in on like being able to stream more video right or take better selfies like ours play more games which is kind of where I came out came with that like I have I have a thought with the fold and honestly what the made X that you know open up open up the game and then unfold and all of a sudden you have like yeah as long as mobile gaming finally gets to like console level yeah I think it could be fantastic and like 5g will enable that Yeah right like 5g will enable you to have like true console gaming on a dumb device mm-hmm right so I mean like we're definitely getting there it's just right now I think like hmm we have to forgive it a little bit it's gen1 like like think about the first Google glass right or like we could actually be in a Google the last scenario right that this foldable form factor actually is it just doesn't take off yeah if the buzz is anything to be if before you believe the buzz people are really buzzing about it yeah Google glass was a very like insulated like reaction I didn't feel like the general person was really like but when it comes to the foldable and you see the made X that's always gonna be a crowd-pleasing demo you know it was so funny right after the samsung launched I went for lunch with a friend and so I have to ask you about that phone and I thought I thought Stan because like this is the one that you know is for sale and people can buy and then like forwards later I was like oh right right the phone that no one's gonna buy yeah right and the but but the phone that everyone's talking about right and and it took me a minute to readjust to the fact that it's not just tech enthusiasts and early adopters that are going to be jazzed about this phone yeah on the way to the event and the guy that was driving was like all Samsung mmm-hmm because he saw that yeah the signs robbed Samsung what are they announcing now and I'm like well I mean they're there next s phone but they might have a phone that folds and he like turned around and he was like in full that was hilarious and imagine what that cab driver would have said if you saw the mate X but obviously it's a word I know you were saying before the cast is probably a cliche answer but you know it's it's still a worthy answer I think I think that it is going to be on the minds of people for a while a post MWC sure and that thing's gonna be what April ya know see a pronoun fairly soon so hopefully we're gonna be able to take a look at it and use it in a real-world scenarios and whatnot okay so we're gonna move to our next segment where we're gonna have a couple more people on thank you so much for being on thank you so much for having me I'm gonna give you the all-important all what's the term I'm looking for I'm gonna give you the really advantageous section the middle of the podcast for your loan and add your own mid-roll oh so whatever you got going on to go and tell them oh yeah so I have mobile geeks calm I talk about the future of mobility so also like future form factors of smartphones but also ride-sharing smart city like I'm really looking at like future of work and like the holistic way that how we exist as people is fundamentally changing five g's one of those components new form factors like this is one of those so if you follow me at Nicole underscore scooter you can check that out get into the show notes in the description maybe Jules will put it like right Oh Jules Jules will do that right cool I love anybody watching the video version yes this is my keyboard yeah which part all right mics up mics up hello and we're back okay so we have some of our representatives of the company here we have of course I may hear from PocketNow been doing the daily very vigilantly here during MWC it's been crazy I love I still love no one's commented on me at the beginning of that one where I said I'm high I believe it I we're currently here at the Qualcomm booth there is a toast to 5g it's far get out daily its 5g baby hey I got into it earlier they're only like 10,000 views on it but I was kind of disappointed nobody commented on me saying 5g baby it's just what they've come to expect from you yeah exactly like when at when I'm in my video I'm very like it's me you know very very zen actually we'll talk about it in a second but I I'm very zen however when I'm one of the three plus five however when I'm on somebody else's video I'm crazy and then we have you can introduce yourself by the way from xda-developers but I yeah Josh here seems to think my name is Andy so I blanked one time I know you think I'm Andy forever yeah also remember to float that mic near you oh yeah man forever huh all right so I had a really great talk with Nicole Scott mobile geeks thank you again Nicole but I wasn't there well you were kind of busy I love conversation but you also love beautiful helicopter rides don't you are you jealous you know I'm here's the thing I'm only harping on it because you did too because you wanted me on it too yeah and I wasn't able to make it and I appreciate you trying so I so in the spirit of solidarity I am also but it's fine it looked like a really great time but I had a lot of really good stuff today not not the least of which was talking to Nicole for the podcast so you know it's been a productive day for me and I was able to talk to functionality and this is not part of our topic I am taking a couple of minutes to just sort of check in a little bit but I had a little bit of time with functionality and I love that name by the way yeah and I love the fact that they used the FX I was like devotion that isolate the moment that I saw I'm like function what yeah yeah why are we factoring equations or what welcome to yeah well go to our company long division I just blanked out on the point that I wanted to make something that we were saying earlier shoot I'm trying to remember oh they have actually seen a lot of my videos not just on pocket now or previous pre previous videos from Android thority but also my videos on JV and they were like you're so sad dude on that one because we had champagne flutes it was very nice yeah and also yeah I wish people could see just the kind of work you put into the daily because it's like it's clockwork you have such a great flow on that you have to the problem is because I have to send the files to Sam at the VA go you like the longer the file the longer the more mistakes I make the longer the file the more time it will take for the file to get to them yeah and I'm also it's also really fun to see how you talk to diego through the camera I have a long monologue conversation alright so um one thing I wanted to do for like at least a minute is have you check in a little bit we're gonna get into our focus topic which is our one favorite thing from MWC and I mean thing I don't want to go too far into too many things but just a general usage this is your first MWC yeah first conference of any of this scale yeah exactly overwhelming but in a good way every every any general thoughts of MWC you want to share um it's like kind of organized chaos it's you can kind like oh wait a sec yes that's very true that's this organized chaos it's also because I mean it's Vegas ya know it's it's I'm really enjoying it there's lots of cool technology it's like you go around the stuff that you didn't even think of what exists like the ZTE robots to play music that thing is really cool have you seen that okay so I walked by all of us happening and I just remember thinking to myself it's not even that good like it's a very very simple melodic oh yeah and there's that just that one I'm trying to member of which one it was it's just that one robot that hits the one drum it doesn't even do anything special just just like that dude I haven't really had time to like walk around walk around but there's still that you feel better um when we walked around we've only been in hall 3 yeah yeah bit of hall one and then mostly halter but how one is where everything is like the hottest stuff is there anyway of course yes but there I need to okay for the future I do want to make sure I make it out to the things where like the the the the Taiwan delegation are we're all of the ancillary products that are coming out of that part of the world are and you know cuz sometimes there's some exciting stuff there and if you sleep on it it's going to appear in another fashion sometime later maybe on Kickstarter and then you you don't realize that you saw before one yeah I think this one's I call seven I think all seven they have a lot of those in any case okay Nicole gave us a really great talk about the mate ex that was her absolute favorite thing here at MWC she did she did pepper in a little bit of talk about 5g because I think she's genuinely excited about it if not because 5g itself is actually exciting but also because she I have a feeling she feels a little um she feels that journalistic vibe going right now because a lot of people in her eyes are talking about 5g in the wrong terms yeah yeah and she's happy to educate yeah so kudos gonna call for that but with that in mind Jaime we'll start with you tell me your favorite thing two things okay I'll give you two two things you run this channel alright two things the first one I have to give it to the main X sure I okay the video sadly not live yet I'm working on it but I did not recommend that I marked it when they provided the price you can watch my episode of the daily two days ago three days ago I was like what $2,300 they're crazy yada yada yada and then I walk into the Huawei party and they allow me to use it mmm and I was one of the few people that was allowed to use it because I have a really good it so I get along really well with certain of the people there they're like just hold it do it and I'm like can I film myself doing it they're like yes you can mmm oh my god okay so the reason why I like the made X is not because I believe in foldables it's not that I don't believe it it's just if they are going to deter the current experience of a smartphone then we have a problem because I'm not willing to carry them in my pocket yeah the thing about the made X is if you have ever held the Galaxy Note 9 you've held the main X oh elaborate you know this magining it is literally that footprint a little thicker and and obviously a lot er know what it is literally that well but what you mean is when it's folded yeah we're not going to fold it okay okay and then when you extend that it's like a kid below aces dude hmm which I've not used by notes fan well I mean Amazon charges a lot of money for it over the you know over the argument that it's so thin and light and whatever yeah you know and so for me it's like I have not held nobody's held a galaxy the galaxy fold they haven't allowed anybody to touch it true and so I can't I wish I could say it's the galaxy book but you know the sorry the galaxy fold but they are not allowing anybody to touch it so I can't and it would have not been the made X if I did not have time with it and I there's a video there's a video by the time the podcasts go podcast goes live the video will already be live ok that's good so I'm sure that there will be links to it and it's just I'm like okay fine that for me was problem solve right there if the foldable can feel like a smartphone great that and it feels like a tablet remember that last point he just made yeah for our cuz we Adam and I have already kind of planned out while we're gonna talk about a little bit later anyway your second thing number two I have kudos to Samsung okay I was a little upset over our pre-brief of the galaxy s 10 and them having a 5g phone that we couldn't touch and I'm like MWC is gonna be the show of everybody bringing prototypes that nobody can touch behind glass and you get to see 5g Samsung was the only company that showed not a prototype because if you see one plus you see all the all the other companies they brought their 5g so yeah yeah even LG LG brought their LG be 50 but I wasn't I wasn't part of the that was it a working device at the event as far as 5g goes no no no did it work it worked yeah I've been I've been ad the LG booth many times over last okay then I'm gonna have to give kudos to both Samsung and LG okay okay Samsung and LG because they were able to bring usable 5g phones yeah I spent some time with the Galaxy S 10 5g it works like it works there is a 5g tower in Hall too we ran some real-life tests go do the go do the check and you can go see the you can go see it's our and halt to its there okay yes we could any and I thought that it was like a mock-up or anything I actually I literally put the phone on airplane mode I swapped it out I I saw what it was connected to it is a 5g connection that's cool I wish we could take these phones from each of the booths in Hall three and take it to that Tower yeah dude but here's the thing think about it it's not even close to halt to all twos in the other yeah it's in the other end yeah so honestly I have to say it man I have to give kudos to them for bringing products that work that like you know it's we've been hearing about 5g for so long but to actually see products that that use it obviously right now you can't tell the difference between 5g at Elte there's so much more to go you know yeah there is so much more to go but they were showing me this working demo in the case of samsung let's say you're watching an MLB game because there is so much data being streamed through 5g the demo is that if you're watching an MLB game on your phone you literally have access to all the cameras stream than the real times it's not just watching so it's not just you watching the the whatever stream with the producer deciding what you're watching if you want to watch the whole game from the pitchers perspective you can and you can't just and wait a sec wait for it it's then it's not a lot just that you can see what the pitcher is doing you can rotate the camera around him and choose the angle hmm that is pretty awesome I was like how crazy is that but you know it's it's funny you mentioned baseball that's a really great that's a really great example obviously because of where we are it's gonna be on the soccer pitch it's gonna be a football game that's gonna be the first major one imagin World Cup in 5g no dude okay so again you we've been hearing the topic of 5g for the longest time yeah here if you have not gone to the Samsung booth do so spend some time with it it is crazy cool crazy cool we shouldn't we shouldn't keep certain players out of the discussion I mean like earlier when I was talking to Nicole we never touched upon TCL dragon hinge I just want to be sure that I say that loud just those words but also as far as 5g is concerned xiaomi even has their me mix three and five oh yeah yeah they so kudos to them as well because that's at the booth does it work I like yeah okay kudos to show me - so here's the thing the the reason why I've got that press conference of Xiaomi was insane dude you could not walk yeah you like I know that they had the phone and everything I just I couldn't see it hmm I couldn't see it and then you were at the LG event I wasn't able to be there on time yeah the LG event where yeah the v50 there are units floating around at the booth I've been actually using one a video will be coming hopefully by the time this podcast comes out but yeah the V 50 I mean it's triple camera on the front 5050 no tof on the front so no hat no air motion no hand ID oh I'm sorry I'm sorry LG guys you know I've been a fan of your work for years but not this all right cool thing as you can switch it off I mean it's it's optional sure it's option still is good for portrait mode photos still is good for face on lock yeah it's just not you could turn off the hand ID if you want you can turn off the you will turn off the handbag you will not be caught in the subway in New York City doing this to your phone what are you talking about you realize New Yorkers are gonna be like oh my they're gonna throw like a dollar at you oh yeah how'd you do that well okay that that as a interrupts you okay I'm really curious about that adaptable display for the V 50 yes which is which is part of why Adam and I actually we agreed that our favorite thing because we know the mate X takes takes the cake it takes everyone even Nicole was saying do I really want to talk about yet another podcast he was icon for so she she gracefully came on to this podcast after she Miriam's already and she was like do I wanna talk about the main X again because it's it's it's kind of a cliche at this point and I'm like the thing is cliches are cliches for a reason like there's a reason why the made X takes up so much of the consciousness it deserves to there's no denying that however with that in mind when we talked a little bit we were like you know I really love what I see over at LG I just do like you say what you will about the hand idea in the air in the air motion like at least they're trying with something that is not just more screen something that's not just more performance more gaming more and more more more something that's literally different there's one thing I really appreciate with the tof sensor is they haven't gone and given it like a gimmicky name or anything they've just call it the Z camera I like that because it's for the z axis like yes yeah yeah that was a good name and I get it like no one's actually going to use it but then when I when I when I thought about it harder I was like this is a proof of concept for LG where does LG's main revenue come from it's not phones it's everything else so this is the proof of concept of the tof camera being on the front of a display because I bet you you're not gonna if the scenario that I would create for myself to make sure I actually use a tof camera is to put it on a stand next to my next to my keyboard and then when I want to like do something I'll just put my hand up and just do stuff that's actually not a bad idea yeah let's put it up on a phone yeah well our biggest complaint with wireless chargers is you can't use your phone yeah unless you can I mean yeah I mean unless you have a unless you have a GA exactly think about it is I okay so my problem is not the air gestures it's the gesture to do this it's like what am i predator like seriously well as I was saying it is like looking through my eyes dance puppet dance pop guys I'm like come on and I get it that there are probably limitations and it requires that to be able to be captured fine I could I could understand all these things but you have to understand that the less natural gesture is the more it becomes a gimmick yeah and again agree totally get it for the phone I'm just sort of thinking more long-term because it's clearly not something that LG ever expects everybody in the future of the G line to actually use I'll start diluted oh yeah exactly what this gesture is is a proof of concept for their TVs there's gonna be a camera at the top of a TV one day and Ren you're sitting on your couch and you want it you need a control you put your hand up and you actually change things as long as the two of camera is far reaching I was about to say well with the limit a well obviously everything gets better over time so so fine that's actually not a bad idea it's just again Connect has existed forever there have been so many services that have motion recognition how many X boxes OHS I'm sorry I know you don't play with that but but neither I'm Playstation as well Vega but let me ask you this how many Xbox are being shipped right now with Kinect none exactly yeah why well you were okay this here's the thing and I know where you're going with this you already have a controller you already have all of the means that you need you don't need an extra thing in order to actually enjoy your Xbox well and it's not just that these are motion motion gestures or things that are not like you see mine re-report it looks cool you have to understand how many takes Tom Cruise must have done to stand in front of that panel and start moving things around and then it's like me vlogging with this camera and just lifting it up and it's heavy yeah and then over time you get tired and you want to put it down and so how often do you think that humans really want to be doing this in the air nobody does nobody does you know I have to people may argue with Apple as much as they want when it comes to touchscreen functionality on laptops but tell me how many times you touch the screen on your laptop I don't you know but we know people who do yes that's one fraction of how much in a potential consumer market well then I will be the one fraction let's go back to the fact that I still consider it to be a step in it's nice it's fine yeah I just I just I just look at it I think we've been we been in the last few years of trying to make things thinner and thinner and thinner and smaller and sleeker and look what we could fit and blah blah blah but this show has been finally of 180 on that we are literally not caring anymore and it's nice to see that instead of more more more more MORE which is what we're getting more screen a bigger phone a bigger battery that freakin energizer phone for God's sake you see it the brick oh and we're planning on going yeah I think we figured out where it is yeah it's hard to find apparently at least we have something that is literally like off of that pathway I don't want to take up too much of the the LG talk Adam you wanted to say why you are into it yeah not it but yeah so the main thing I really like about LG at the moment is the dual screen I guess edition module thing whatever it you'd call it he's actually pretty innovative it works it works well I got time to actually play with it and the biggest thing the biggest thing I liked about it actually was it wasn't just the fact that it was a second screen that you could use to play games or whatever it was that have had fun good huh yeah it had function and I had good haptic feedback it felt good like that's obviously on the v50 itself rather than the dual screen but it ties in so well with the second screen I'm sure people have had a Nintendo DS at some point it is the perfect I guess module if you want to do emulation if you want to play games in your phone I'm not a mobile gamer at all I hate it but I look why am I always the only one that's actually a good idea I would never do it on a display but if you gave me a controller that will connect those to those pins yeah yeah it'd look like a clamshell but you have to but also like you were saying the haptic engine on the LG phones is actually really really well it feels nearly directional it's like you press the a key on the gamepad it feels like it's vibrating there but it's a really sharp vibrate so it nearly feels like you're actually pressing a book oh so it's like the V 30 so ever since that B 30 I don't have you ever used an LG phone no so I don't know of there taptic of apples taptic engine is made by LG we don't know who the supplier is but ever since the V 30 it's like if you have a taptic engine just literally go into the manual controls of any LG phone and just move the dial on whatever the function of the camera and yeah that dude it feels like if something is actually moving yeah yeah no and that's what I liked about it because they had a the analog thing is my phone so but here's the thing I have to hand it to LG and one thing about that see I don't want a foldable all the time yeah that was what I was getting at I honestly why would I want to pay $2,300 for a product that I will only turn into a tablet ever so often yeah if I'm a busy guy and I'm always you know in the city and doing this and doing that you know it's I'm not going to be oh and I'm not yeah it's just not gonna happen so if they gave me a module that's $200 well come on all right 250 yeah if they give you a module it's 350 where I can extend my screen by just snapping one thing whenever I want to it could be something that's in my backpack and whenever I've got a long commute I just pull it out of my backpack snap it on and boom watch a movie you know yeah so here here here's where here's where my perspective comes in having used this product for quite a while by now and yeah I have quite a bit of footage that that hands-on is gonna be pretty awesome um there are a lot of use case sonars for this at LG have actually baked in for example okay first of all you put it into the case you close it your phone's protected it is a case yeah first and foremost it's actually you have like rubber corners and everything exactly when you open it up and if you still want to have the case on it but you don't want to take it out of the you but you don't want to take it out of it just to use your phone singularly it'll fold onto itself and so you can still use your phone just your phone the screen will not turn on until you tell it to so when you open the case it knows that it's in the case but it won't turn on the other screen until you hit a little button so that way you have full control over it now you can set up the dual screen to automatically open an application when you trigger for it to turn on here's the use case scenario being the guy who always does stuff as who is this for productivity first of all you take it out imagine my here's my notebook and wallet so when I take it out I know that I'm looking at something I'm gonna start writing on the other side that kind of thing yeah turn on put put the put the v50 thank you inside of the case when you take it out and you open it and you hit that button to turn on the second screen automatically Gmail now question does it have a way to snap itself to remain in one position well yes there are there's there's there's this like hand held words in a V pattern and then fly can you imagine a Galaxy Note 10 with that functionality it would be great like stylus support and that that would be great yeah exactly cuz I wouldn't meet because that was my first immediate thought was when I opened it up and Gmail just appears immediately on the side that is perfect I'm going through my emails and then if I need to do research on the other side open up a full browser a full secondary app that's the thing it's too full apps it's not the software trying to cut a screen and trying to multitask in them oh really it's too full apps it's actually rendering twice the other thing is the other function and don't think that anybody has actually tried it because there's no way of doing it there's no apps for this if you take a screen shot on one you can copy it immediately to the other okay so if you're talking if I'm on whatsapp with you and you're like where do we go I open up Maps I take a screenshot of the map it automatically goes to you interesting because it understands that I'm messaging that's smart right smart so there's a practicality to this this is actually a pip it's useful yeah so see see but that's the thing I love the idea but and how much is that thing gonna cost as a question now we don't know how much it'll cost but what we do know is it's not coming to the u.s. to the US so just order it exactly which is why I said in my video what I'm doing a video for it also on JV everyone get into the comment sections we need this like we need this in the sea of we need you we need more stuff like this and I feel like LG's really one of the only companies that is actually trying to inject true practicality into its products yeah but we go back to you know how much how even LG seems like if they don't believe in their own products yeah you know well you are the biggest proponent of the old V or of classes that they had so is a practice okay so here's the thing I really the people make may make fun of the LG g5 all they want I don't blame them but for me the LG g5 was probably one of my favorite phones that you know that mod approach that modularity sure you had to remove the battery and everything but it it just it offered so much potential it just needed more time I feel at that phone in particular needed more time but it was you know like for me that what what would solve the all right now like it's what I told you I hate the concept I have an op I have an oculus go I tried it once will never put it on again why because I didn't pay for it one yes okay and so here's the problem it's the process of putting it on the process of setting it up the process of adjusting yourself and then worst of all that after you've done all that your face is already tired because that thing is heavy yeah it's no process it's too many processes like the HTC vive I love that but the process was so daunting just to set it up you know every time you had to turn on the computer then the vibe then steam then the app then it's like damn it yeah you know I just want to put something on and have it work and so LG has been the only company that showed us something like that with the g5 they had this mod that never came to the market where was literally a pair of sunglasses well pretty much just like a little cover on the side of them to create that VR experience and it had a USBC cable that you would put you could leave the phone in your pocket with the USBC cable yeah and the phone would power the goggles yeah and so I was in nigga hot as hell but yeah okay but it was a prototype away sorry I never came to them but think about it when you not use that that's annoying that's cool like it and people were like yeah but it's all I think it was only 720p I'm like it survived is as well it's again prototype they could end up opening it but when it comes to market like that's so much potential can somebody come up with that product yeah like if LG abandoned that can somebody do this because I feel that that is the secret to get VR off the ground you literally snap snap and you start ease of use ease of use and I don't care if it's not listen come on VR companies none of your products are immersive none of them are because the experience of using them it's something cool and you'll invite a couple of friends and they'll play with it once but then you'll forget that it exists but actually see reached out about the vibe and they were like we're running out of units any chance you can let me borrow you don't like to take it just leave the computer but take it okay yeah did the fact that not enough gaming youtubers and twitch streamers even touch V art anymore really unless it's like beat Sabre but that's it but that's the thing the reason why is ease of use yeah and that's what I'm just trying to do in this dual screen case that's like an example of ease of use yeah you just snap it in it works yeah and not to mention like there are the decor DNA of what LG is good at with these phones is still remains it still remains I've recorded some video using the g8 and the V 50 4k uhd at 52 megabits per second in terms of how much how much it's a bit rate is yeah that's good that's half of the camera I'm using right now to record this podcast because you could do 4k at 100 megabits that's a low setting but still nothing comes close to that so the Megas professional camera exactly the bitrate of the camera is actually really good so as much as I do believe that the s10 plus is going to be the easiest of vloggers camera out of a smartphone coming up the thief the V 50 or the g8 are still going to be tough they're still gonna be up there they're still going to be a great vlogging camera you know I would you just need to work out some of the kinks and like you said it's a confidence thing yeah LG knees were confidence they need to say need to just they need to go they need to go all in on it so even an MP for the js5 is 100 megabits at 30 P is that matter if it's a before or M before LPC whatever yeah it's always a hundred megabits that's that is that is the bare minimum for a camera meant to make great video yeah right there and LG manages to hit halfway there dude but I'll tell you this much I think okay I've been praising the iPhone for us for a bit mainly because I mean this the iPhone 10 oh sorry this is clear that I only slept four hours four hours the number that's on my mind I'm really tired and I apologize the fights a beaner it shows that I'm tired I'm not drunk yet but oh he's looking at me when he said that the king of videos is the iPhone 4 there has been no room for comparison I don't care who you've watched on YouTube I don't care who claims to be an expert at this topic how fine okay I'm sorry but it's it's just one of those things where you know honor where honors do mm-hmm that's just it but today I use the galaxy s 10 plus it's up there it's yeah it's right no it's not just up there it's there yeah it's the improvement is there V so I had a long conversation with Qualcomm about the 855 and I was like dude whatever codec you guys use it's literally it's like either over sharpen the know EMS can't really do much yeah and and they explained to me know wait for the age 55 man we are really going to hit that hard yeah I was able to test it today dude we were in a chopper it's dark inside extremely bright out bright outside and it was crazy how the phone would adapt which is one of the things that I love about the iPhone I you know I had the G H 5 with my 12 millimeter f1 point 4 I did a lot of play with it and I could not achieve the dynamic range that I did with the galaxy s 10 plus and which is one thing that I love about smartphones they're smart about it right yeah regular cameras are now you have to tweak them to be able to achieve it and so and this is without HDR video enabled this is without HDR 10 video enabled I can't imagine if I filmed in HDR yeah HDR 10 on the V 50 is aggressive is it it is a caress oh it's like on Sony's dude like I like I kids funny when I did my Xperia z3 review and they're like where's your HDR 10 video sample and I'm like I couldn't get final cut to render it yeah that's that's the only problem with it is that you can do HDR 10 you can do high fire do recording a few people out there my question why I didn't use it in my upcoming LG videos for both you and myself yeah it's mainly because it makes the editing process an absolute chore I remember trying to use HEV see yeah and it was horrible I hate Apple for doing it yeah HEV C yeah exactly it's like ooh yeah it's true and you know I'll make bones about it but at the same time I understand why it's the case but yeah before we get too far you know off the beaten path like is there any other parts about the LG talk that you wanted to give before we know it you just really love that dual screen I really love that dudes gonna go see that thing tomorrow see that's that's the one thing I like I was saying I'm not a mobile gamer but if this is executed right and developer is kind of figure out how to integrate with it cuz I assume it'll be open to apps to use and access yeah if they're like dolphin emulator PSP emulator SDS emulators if any of them can access it and allow you to rebind keys to use it Darden itself is a game changer for emulation on Android my opinion yeah yeah it's got a lot of potential and then as well if this works are the three people at this table are gonna be some of the only people who can own it but this we're gonna make some phone calls the pins as well on the back I think they could be like a motorized pogo pen the bottom third because I was so upset when we did the briefing with the v50 yeah and they did not as well yeah they had a little deal I said they allowed us to touch it but they were like no photo no video so I'm like what am I gonna waste my time on this thing if I can't do anything with it yeah and then I get a call from LG PR no an email from LG PR they were like so apologetic we're sorry we just learned that in the briefing in the UK they did allowed to film and think yeah and I'm like oh no I'm not gonna redo this video like it's gonna go the way it's gonna go here yeah so I mean basically our v50 coverage respectively it's just coming out a little bit later but you're gonna want to check it out and you're going to want to tell LG that this product should come out in the u.s. why is it no it's the way Korea is like they yeah now tell me so it's also a carrier thing now tell me something how do you feel about the fact that the V 50 is a B 40 there's stuff new about it internally but like the V 50 is literally but you know what for as much as we could say anything I mean apples 10s is a 10 a 10 yeah is that but how do you feel about this because this is not comic this is not calming and Android not in Android phones III would say that this is the first this is one of the first to do that but I honestly don't mind so much because what they've improved in it is significant things also what they focused on more than read then going back to the drawing board on design yeah yeah that's why I think it in my case it's not I'm not against it I praised it actually because you know how many RF antennas you have to add 4 millimeter wave on 5g yeah how are they able to do it in the same footprint because if you grab the Galaxy S 10 5g it's larger yeah yeah that's true it is larger yeah all right well I think we did it guys I think it's very easy for us to talk about our favorite thing at MWC a once again a big thanks to nicole scott for being on in our earlier segment I forgot I forgot one thing Oh what's up no Kim nein Oh Nokia 9 that's true no kid 9 peer review the thing is I haven't even seen it here in New York briefed in New York it so it hasn't been like in my radar because I had already seen it we had a talk with them and the Nokia ions are internal people's units so there's no there are no units there are yeah that's why yeah guy let me use it like five minutes like a favor because he's like oh you're from XDA here I like you guys yeah listen listen but it's okay can I just say this too like my final opinion I have never been in an MVC that's been so exciting agreed all things considered it's been a pretty great show it's been a pretty great show I've really really really liked that I've miss an mwc like this yeah I miss going to a trade show and being like wow yeah Wow that I have a lot of enthusiasm the other day we were chatting with Brandon and Brandon was like oh my god dude this year is gonna be awesome and he's right mm-hmm he is right there is a lot of experimentation back and I love it and the other like it's it's just it's really hard when you ask me what's my favorite thing it's a lot of things it's honest and it's like that it's the Nokia and it's the made X is 5g it's also the fact that the galaxy s10 cost less than an iPhone 10 yeah that's absolutely right I think a lot of people who let that fly over their heads because they just see that $9.99 price point and they don't realize what that really means it's the price of this mean nine I was like what yeah yeah it's insane it's like yes it's here oh my god dude the price of this thing mm-hmm yeah I know oh my god please don't ever send me a black review unit again moving on we're gonna go ahead and call it on this one we can talk about I've hopefully those Nokia's are going to come in sooner rather than later I'm not going to say anything that you know man I think we release information finally came out like a day or two ago yeah or even today probably but I'm not going to talk about it on here oh release they it's just at the time of this recording I got I already have the email there we go so yeah so weird that is trickling in we're excited to get those Nokia's in we're excited to get the made X we're excited to get all the LG stuff as well even if literally if I'm the only person in America who has a dual screen I'm gonna be happy with that all right so we're gonna go ahead and call them this one thank you so much for watching and listening I'm gonna go ahead and go into the outro in general but before I do that let the people know where to find you Adam I did the same thing with Nicole earlier at the end of our segment um I guess you find me on Twitter Adam Conway ie you can also find me on XDA of course with various different articles reviews that kind of thing dust off my XD a user oh oh my gosh I didn't know you had Oh from very back in the day I was about to say same same very back in the day when XD a was not 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